Full Show Podcast: 07 May 2025

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Wednesday 7th of May, Brooke van Velden talks improving the pay equity process and why it isn't, apparently, all about the Budget. 

And we've got a National bill that wants to ban social media for under 16s. Possible or not? 

Mark Mitchell and Ginny Andersen talk pay equity and the feasibility of the social media ban – and can we get through a whole segment without Mark putting himself on mute? 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In New Zealand's home for trusted news and views, the.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Mic Hosking Breakfast with the range rover villa designed to
intrigue and use togs.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
eDV Welly, welcome to over pay equity shake up. Our
job numbers are out and we still lose any workers?
Or as it peaked Avanning social media for under sixteens?
Is that going anywhere other than the virtue signaling?

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Then?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Are the cardinals are about to get underway? In Rome
Mark and Jenney Politics Wednesday, after write Richard Arnold Steve Price,
they add sparkle as well. Ascare we go? Middle of
the week seven past six. Christine Bartlett was too many
a hero if you remember the name, very likable woman,
a caregiver who argued her work was undervalued and she
deserved more. The Labour Party, who loved fields and are

(00:40):
not exactly unfamiliar with the unions, leapt all laborately Equal
Pay Act was born. Downside was how to compare this
so called underpaid work like nursing homes where women dominate,
and a comparable profession dominated by men. They decided at
the time comparing mechanics to rest home workers made sense,
even though it didn't and it doesn't. Why Brook van

(01:00):
Velden has announced pay equity is going to be quite
rightly tipped up and sorted out. Now, whether you can
sort it out sensibly is your next issue. Under current law,
the job must be performed by at least sixty percent
of the same sex. That will rise to seventy percent.
Grounds that lead you to believe that the work is
historically and currently undervalued. You will need evidence for that.
They're looking at comparators. That's your apples and oranges, or

(01:20):
rest home workers and mechanics. The trouble with the Bartlet
issue was twofold. One part of the argument was if
you paid people more, you would they said, recruit more easily.
Turns out that's wrong. After huge pay rises, rest home
gaps are still a disaster. And two the bill to
reach this so called equity was two billion dollars, a

(01:41):
lot of money. Then a lot of money. Now I
wish Van Valden well, but the simple truth is the
moment you try to engineer something, you tend to strike trouble.
Work is worth what work is worth, no matter who
does it. Some work pays more than other work. It's
based on demand or skills or sales or revenue or
scarcity or demand, or a combination of given no one
may make any on work in any given area. You

(02:02):
strike extraordinary complexity and trying to gerymander it. If it
turns out to attract women over men or mean over women.
It also singles out just one element of work, money
as being the sole reason for that work, and it's
not what we have doesn't work, hasn't sold anything, and
was done for very poor reasons. So reform is good,
but reform to what is a bigger trick than they

(02:23):
may realize.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Another one of the yellow chair days at the White
House where Big Don welcomes a foreign leader. Today it's
Mark from Canada.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
But I just want to congratulate you, and it ran
a really great race. I watched the debate. I thought
you were excellent, and I think we have a lot
of things in common. We have some tough points to
go over and that'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Mike addressed the elephant in the room.

Speaker 6 (02:49):
As you know from real estate, there are some places
that are never for sale. We're sitting in one right now.
Having met with the owners of Canada over the course
of the campaign last several months. It's not for sale,
won't be for sale ever.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
More shortly, seem very cordial. A big deal done though
I have and eight as well, one for us to
look into given what happened to as ob yesterday, the
UK and India heave an FTA.

Speaker 7 (03:11):
This is a historic day for the United Kingdom and
for India because this is the biggest trade deal that
we the UK have done since we left the EU.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Now the live dims make a point about the fine print.

Speaker 8 (03:26):
It's very worrying to hear concerns that the Indian workers
coming over here may not the companies may not have
to actually pay those taxes on those workers. So we
lible Democrats want to see a debate in the House
of Commons and we think there absolutely must be a
vote as well.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Those Texas and those workers will get to in a
moment because they're interesting. Also in Britain, we've got details
in the Commons about the Iranians rounded up on Tira
the other day. Five men were arrested on suspicion of
preparation of a terrorist act contrary to Section five the
Terrorism Act of two thousand and six.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
All five men are in Nashals and to.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Rhyme where the cardinals are about to lock themselves away.
This bloke is the Cardinal of Jerusalem. He's a dark
horse apparently for the big job.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Eith empower don't go well together.

Speaker 9 (04:13):
If you want to be free as a religious leader,
you have to be independent from any kind of power.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Finally, I don't even know what that means anyway, fight
I certainly I don't think i'd vote for him if
I heard that anyway, more good news for snooker. Head
of the snooker governing body wants to capitalize on Zinton's
winning title yesterday or winning the time yesterday. So one
hundred and fifty million people around the world watch that match,
majority of those in China. China is very important to
the IOC. So the head of the world Professional Billions

(04:42):
and Sneaker Associations and says, well, huh, one of the
most significant moments in the sports history could get us
into the Olympics, the Olympics of twenty thirty two in Brisbane.
So we wish him the very best of black News
of the world. In ninety Yeah, the UK India thing
they think will be worth fifty billion dollars lower the
import tariffs and Texas. We've got to look at this
because we're in here, vast majority of goods traded becoming

(05:03):
fully terror free within a decade, So fifty billion dollars
worth of business coming the UK's way. Twelve past six.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
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Speaker 3 (05:21):
Just announced out of the White House the bombing on
the Hooties is going to stop. They don't want to
fight anymore. This is Trump. They don't want to fight
any more. They're going to take their word on that
they will not be blowing up chips anymore. So that
particular problem, allegedly for now is sold. Fifteen past six
from jam My Wealth Andrew Keller her good morning, the
money make this is amazing. Is this going to move

(05:43):
the farm gate price?

Speaker 10 (05:45):
Uring well, it certainly won't do any harm.

Speaker 11 (05:48):
Whether or not it's enough to shift the farm gate
milk price up will it remains to be seen. But yeah,
I feel like I've been the bearer of good news
for the last few days.

Speaker 10 (05:55):
There she might bring it up.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
You're bringing up big time. Has it got anything to
do with the tariffs? Did people front line or something.
It's just these are huge dairy numbers.

Speaker 10 (06:02):
I don't think so that the.

Speaker 11 (06:05):
Reason why the Global dairy Trade Index was so strong
last night is actually being attributed to things like the
difficult supply in parts of Europe.

Speaker 10 (06:13):
So what's happened, Mike.

Speaker 11 (06:14):
Just for the readers out there, for the listeners out there,
very strong results in the global drift trade auction overnight.
So it'll be happy dairy farmers and shermyl Becerus out
there in the milking sheds this morning.

Speaker 10 (06:23):
Mike.

Speaker 11 (06:23):
I'm sure they're all listening. The Global da Trade Index
has surged four point six percent overnight, certainly the best
outcome we've seen in the last twelve months. It does
follow a one point six percent rise a one point
one percent rise in the last two April Aucans, Mike,
We've had a couple of weeks we have what to
called global dairy trade Pulse auctions. They're sort of like

(06:44):
smaller little global dairy trade auctions. They're shorter, they're more frequent,
but they do complement these the bigger global dairy trade auction.
They have been indicating a continuation of the reasonably strong
demand and they do provide good price discovery. But what
we've seen across some of these some of these various
planets is amazing. It cheddar and lactose twelve percent and

(07:05):
over sixteen percent. Double digit games there now. Unfortunately, if
you like your butter, it's up three point eight percent,
but the people that make it will be happy. Butter
milk powder also at six point two percent. Skim milk powder,
I mean, what was it doing. It's up zero point
five percent. It's got to get with the program. It
needs to look over its shoulder at the whole milk
powder which lamped, which swored six point two percent, so

(07:26):
sixteen point seven thousand metric tons sold year. As I said,
I just picked up on there was some commentary about
that there is a difficult supply situation in parts of Europe.
Those supply issues work in favor of higher prices. But Mike,
good news just continues for vagro sector, doesn't.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
It take it all day long?

Speaker 5 (07:44):
Now?

Speaker 3 (07:44):
For it's interesting. They're part of the malaise that's facing
American producers. So the guidance has gone like everybody else.

Speaker 11 (07:51):
Correct, So I look at what we keep looking at
the sort of broader economic data to try and ascertain
the impact of global trade and thirty at a macro level,
but from an investment point of view, it's also critical
to understand how it's affecting individual companies. So over the
last few days we're seeing companies announcements around the world
for the first quarter results.

Speaker 10 (08:08):
So I've just picked a couple here that I thought
would be interesting.

Speaker 11 (08:10):
Yes, Ford's the first one right in the thick of it,
really all an auto company of the fallout around cross
border towers that they have suspended their full year guidance.
It's too and said they just don't know, and this
is because of the tangled web of tariffs that might
hit the auto trade industry. They believe tariffs will reduce
their twenty twenty five adjusted and eas by about one

(08:30):
and a half billion dollars. The total impact actually two
and a half billion dollars. They think they can mitigate
a billion dollars. What might just think about the conversations
that are going on in boardrooms around the world. At
the moment you think you do okay, and then all
of a sudden you lose two and a half billion
dollars worth of revenue. The Ford CEO you formistically calls
this a dynamic situation. Ford reflects a General Motors statement

(08:55):
last week. They said they've got a five billion dollar problem.
So Ford stopped imports of Lincoln Nordialists. That's they're made
in China. They're not bring them in a more. They
also export US.

Speaker 10 (09:03):
Made cast to China.

Speaker 11 (09:04):
That stopped to imagine if someone had said to them
twelve months ago, hey, you know what, we're not going
to bring in those lincolnautalists anymore, and guess what, we're
not going to send them out, it would have been unimaginable.
Ford as though in a better place than other US
order makers because eighty percent of their vehicles that sell
in the US are made there.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Give us a real quick word on sky City? Is
that sky city problem or an economy problem?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Now?

Speaker 10 (09:28):
This is broader issue here.

Speaker 11 (09:29):
Well, look there maybe a little bit of both. Maybe
a little bit of both here. But so we got
a local update yesterday from sky City chief. Prices got
smacked six percent. I'm pretty sure it dolarate is the
lowest price ever. They've revised their guidance lower.

Speaker 10 (09:42):
What are they blame it on? My weak consumer spending?

Speaker 11 (09:44):
This is a domestic economy that's not in a good shape,
so challenges around people as people's discretionary spending. So they're
twelve month under lone profit now four percent below previous
guys is that had already been revised lower.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Mike.

Speaker 11 (09:56):
I've mentioned before that the green shoots, they're just wilting
a bit, and this announcement sort of chands to shine
a light on that. Youve got employment numbers today, they
will also shine the light on the state of the
domestic economy.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Give me some numbers.

Speaker 11 (10:10):
The little bit, a little bit of weakness on the
US markets overnight needs a bit of a catalyst to
take it higher. At the moment, the Dow Jones is
down three hundred and fifty seven points forty thousand, eight hundred.

Speaker 10 (10:19):
And sixty two. That's point eight six percent.

Speaker 11 (10:22):
The S and P five hundred down about three quarters percent,
five six oh nine. The NASTAC also down about three
quarters of percent, seventeen thousand, seven hundred and fourteen forty
one hundred, not much change of nine eighty five nine seven.

Speaker 10 (10:35):
The Nike up over one percent.

Speaker 11 (10:37):
Three six eight three oh The clothes there, the Shanghai composite,
they're finally back trading. They rewarded the trading session with
a thirty seven point game one point one to three
percent three three one six eight one five one was
the close and the A six two hundred Yes day
down down six points and not much change there, and
we were pretty flat on the insects fifty twelve thousand,
four hundred and twenty one.

Speaker 10 (10:57):
The key we dollar, though Mike is stronger ovenight. It's
at points.

Speaker 11 (11:01):
Against the US dollars a sixty cents zero point nine
two four to six against the Australian dollar, point four
four eight nine against the euro. A Japanese en eighty
five sorry, that's four point four four eight nine against
the pound. Yes, apologies, eighty five point five one Japanese yen.
Gold is trading at three thy four hundred and fifteen dollars,
a little bit stronger and brain crud hovering around this

(11:23):
sixty two dollars and twenty nine cents doing a bit
of work around the sixty dollar mark.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
See tomorrow mate, Andrew Kellerhtjmiwealth dot Co dot m zsk
dow dash Field we told you about the other day Delivero.
They've agreed to accept the door dash money. It values
the company at about six billion dollars meantime, so we
can give cows ferrari. They talked about tariff us as well,
but they don't really care about tariffs. All they're going
to do is whack the price up, and the people
who buy Ferrari is going to afford to do it. Anyway.

(11:47):
Upswing Significant first called a profit robust demand for personalized vehicles.
That's flash paint and carbon pits. Anyway, they made about
nine hundred million dollars just in the three months. That's
a seventeen percent increase. Another year off to a great start.
Oh then Sex twenty one.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
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Speaker 3 (12:20):
Speaking of market, it's very funny over night in Germany.
All wasn't funny because the Germans aren't funny and they
don't have a sense of humor. But Mertz turns up
to be voted and as the chancellor, and he doesn't
get the numbers, and because it's a secret ballot, no
one knows who didn't vote for him, And then they
panicked and the market tanked and they thought what the
hell was going on there? So then for a while
they thought, are we going to have another vote? Well,
I don't know, I didn't win the last vote. What

(12:42):
should I do? He eventually got he needed three sixteen.
He eventually got three twenty five, which is what he
should have got because the Christian Democrats, the Social Democrats
or the Christian Socials, and the Social Democrat party have
all joined together. So for a while there it looked
sus but he got there in the end.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Sex twenty five trending with square House, You're one stuff
for Mother's Day.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Fragrance is now.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
The gaming world. The hottest ticket, the fizz, the wild
anticipation is all about GUTA six. Of course, grand Theft Auto.
So it has been thirteen years since Juta five made
a fortune rock star of the people who do it,
they've made twenty two and a half billion dollars out
of all of this. Now the troublers were standing by,
standing by, standing by, But then we got the delay.
So it's not this year. It was this year, but
it's not this year, it's now next year, May twenty six,

(13:25):
next year. So what do they do to solve the problem, Well,
they drop a trailer.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
What's your name, Jason Duvaux.

Speaker 12 (13:33):
I think you've heard before.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
You might have.

Speaker 13 (13:40):
Hey, hey, trust me, this place is just a slow
for us.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
The anythink that matters. Screaming wrong and what.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
You got to do. I'm going to do this, to
do whatever, you'll do this.

Speaker 14 (14:00):
The fatbout your name, drafting everything.

Speaker 15 (14:05):
Us.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
We got to protect each other.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
You were Mirbor.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
We got this, we got it.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
We got it. PS five and Xbox Series X on
May twenty six next year. It's out on PC a
year after that, so probably not in our lifetime. By
the way. The other thing that happened in the europe
other night is because the bloke who won the first round,
well it was the second round because they had another
vote because the first round was jerry mannered. This is Romania,
so they had another vote and the bloke who won

(14:36):
the government doesn't like them, and I thought, oh, this
is not good. So anyway, the prime ministerment is government
quit overnight, so they've still got to have a second
round for the presidential vote the latter part of this month.
The meantime, the government's gone, so you've got a lot
of uncertainty in Romania. Got the world's an interesting place
at the moment, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
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Speaker 1 (14:57):
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Speaker 3 (15:06):
So the Hootie deal, as we told your mom and ago,
allegedly is done.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
There.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
We know more bombing and the Hooties have given up
blowing up ships, encouraging. Supreme Court has just announced they're
going to lift the lower court order but paused. The
Trump idea that we were going to ban transgender people
in the military wasn't unanimous, so to my own Kagan
and Brown Jackson would have denied it, but they got
the majority. So that's another win for Trump. Carnie's been

(15:31):
on the yellow chairs with mixed messages, unfortunately for him,
because one minute, Donald doesn't want to do any deals.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Veriss when when when are you going to sign deals?
We don't have to sign deals. We can sign twenty
five deals right now, Howard, if we wanted, we don't
have to sign deal. They have to sign deals with us.
They want a piece of our market. We don't want
a piece of their market. We don't care about their market.
They want a piece of our market.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Doesn't have to do deals, but he's going to do deals.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Of us as a super luxury store, a store that
has the goods. You're going to come and you're going
to pay a price, and we're going to give you
a very good price. We're going to make very good
deals and in some cases we'll adjust too.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Close her comfort. So that makes sense, doesn't it? Twenty
two minutes away from seven Richard Arnold Moore where that
came from. Shortly more insight back home though, into our
battle of that's what you want to call us into vaping.
Two years ago, you remember the government banned specialist vape
shops from opening keyword opening within three hundred meters of
a school. However, existing vape shops were allowed to continue.
So we've got this new dart this morning. The shows

(16:35):
forty four percent of schools have a specialist vape shop
within a kilometer of the gate. Now, Ronan Piander Pinda
is the study leader at the Auckland University Medical Faculty
and is with us. Ronan morning got to make how
you're going very well? Indeed, this simply shows the laws
working unless a new shop has opened and the law
was broken, the ones that were already there are still

(16:56):
there and therefore nothing's changed, isn't.

Speaker 16 (16:59):
Yeah, that's basically the case. The legislation didn't apply to
any of the hundreds of existing vape shops within that
three hundred meter radius, and so we found that for
a large proportion of our schools there were several vape
shops within that close range walking distance.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
And when you say one k, what's the value of
one k as opposed to nine hundred meters versus one
point three ks? Why are we doing this? What's that matter?

Speaker 16 (17:19):
Yeah? So it's we did three hundred meters and one
kilometer as well, and that's kind of what students you know,
are reported to be walking on the way to school,
on the way home, and it's just a rough radius
for even at sports games and during lunchtimes. What students
are being able to have access.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
To isn't the problem? I mean, we go school gate,
it's a problem. Alarm bells ring? What about to the
kid's house?

Speaker 16 (17:42):
Yeah, So the research from overseas and from Australia as well,
it's showing us that even walking past these kind of
stores on the way to and from school and having
them in your local area where a lot of young
people are frequenting. It does increase the uptake of vaping
by young people who have never vaped before, and for
those that are already vaping, it increases the use of
vaping products and other nicotine products.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
I don't want to argue with you because I actually
agree with you, and the whole thing is a disaster,
and I said it would be a disaster when they
tried to transfer smoking to vaping. But having said that,
is it really and do we have hard data on this?
Is it really the store or is it things like
peer group pressure?

Speaker 16 (18:18):
Yeah, so I definitely agree with that. I think it's
going to be multifactorial. I think we do have research
that shows a really strong association even from just having
the vaping outlets. But absolutely agreeing there. I think the
real element is that young people, you know, in a
friend group, if several of them are vaping, they're going
to encourage their fense to do the same, or they're

(18:38):
just going to normalize it through their behavior. So I
think it goes through those two vehicles.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
I think this whole thing is a disaster. Do you
have an opinion on that. I mean, it's a catastrophic mess.
And it was predicated on the idea that if we
got people to stop smoking and they vaped, it would
be so much better than it was, and that was
always crap, and it's proving to be the case.

Speaker 16 (18:57):
Yeah, So I think especially for our young people on it,
especially concerned because a lot of these people, teenagers, even children,
they never even smoked tobacco before, so it wasn't even
providing a way out from addiction, but it's kind of
just chaining a whole new generation to a new form
of addictive nicotine products. So I'm especially concerned for our
teens and our young people who are starting these addictions

(19:18):
that might last a lifetime.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, as we should wrote it. Nice to talk to you,
appreciate it. Ronan Fienda out of the Faculty of Medical
and Health Sciences at the University of Walkings. It's nineteen
minutes away from seven Morning, White White. It's sort of
a funny morning like this. I mean, that's just telling
me what I already knew. Vaping's a disaster. Catherine Web's
on later with her banning social media built. Oh, it's
like Australia. Well, what is Australia No sort of news

(19:42):
coverage yesterday? No one actually asked the critical question. What's
the critical question? How are they banning kids on social media?
And the answer is are you eighteen or sixteen? And
when you click yes and you're not, nothing's been achieved.
You know, I work hit out Morning Mike. What does
Britain produce that India and the rest of the world want?

(20:03):
Good question? I suppose pearls, precious stones, metals and coins.
They export two and a half billion dollars worth of
those machinery, nuclear reactors and boilers, one and a half billion,
iron and steel, a billion, beverage, spirits, vinegar, almost a billion,
optical photo technical, medical apparatus, half a billion electrical electronic equipment,
half a billion aluminium, half a billion chemical products, third

(20:24):
of a billion vehicles, half a billion copper, third of
a billion.

Speaker 10 (20:27):
A lot of.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Business being done between England and India. Eighteen to two.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
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Speaker 3 (20:39):
Mike Morning. Any viewing stats on the snooker from Sky
know they got for some reason they headed delay. They'll
get them to us today. One hundred and fifty million globally, though,
which is good morning, Mike. All of these issues get
dumped on the government. Why aren't parents called out over
these things? Once again? Not a bad question?

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Six forty five International correspondence with ends and eye insurance.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Is with a from the United States of America. Morning, Mike.
Seemed reasonably cordial to me.

Speaker 17 (21:07):
Oh yeah, very polite, very very polite. However, bit of
tension underlying. And never say never said Trump on this
question where the Canada could become the fifty first at state,
Never said the newly elected Canadian PM Mike Conney as
he sat in the White House Oval Office, now newly
redecorated with all of Trump's gold cups and with sea
golden ornaments and bits and bobs. This was the first

(21:29):
meeting of the two leaders. And as you say, it
was polite enough as the tariff war ragers on, said
Canne to Trump on the sovereignty question.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
As you know from real estate, there are some places
that are never for sale. We're sitting in one right now.
Gerald Buckingham Pallace, you visited as well, and having met
with the owners of Canada over the course of the
campaign last several months.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
It's not for sale, won't be for sale.

Speaker 18 (21:55):
Ever.

Speaker 17 (21:56):
Of course, Trump insisted on a last word on all
of this.

Speaker 12 (22:00):
I have had many, many things that were not doable,
and they ended up being doable, and only doable in
a very friendly way. But if it's to everybody's benefit.
You know, Canada loves us, and we love Canada.

Speaker 17 (22:11):
Well, that love has been a bit tested of late.
We have significant numbers of Canadians boycotting the US, especially
when it comes to place along the border. That led
to an actual humorous remark by Trump, who noted that
County won his election as PM when the Trump label
sank his rival, the Canadian Conservative, who had been leading
in the polls pretty solidly before all of this Trump stuff.

Speaker 12 (22:33):
I think I was probably the greatest thing that happened
to him. But I can't say a voote for his
party was losing by a lot and he ended up winning.
So I really want to congratulate it. Probably one of
the greatest comebacks in the history of politics.

Speaker 17 (22:48):
So Trump taking credit even when Conservatives go down in flames.
Aside from the appearance thats, Trump was asked about whether
there is any chance that the tariffs on Canadian goods
might be eased in the short term.

Speaker 12 (22:59):
We want to make our cars. We don't really want
cars from Canada, and we put tariffs on cars from Canada,
and at a certain point it won't make economic sense
for Canada to build those cars.

Speaker 17 (23:11):
Well, that'll take years with the cost being borne by
American car buyers in the infoment, with Canada looking to
other markets. I guess. So that's the number of the
trade battle between friends. Meantime, on other issues, Trump has
announced a halt to the US bombing of Hootie rebels
in Yemen. It's been a two months bombing campaign where
they struck some eight hundred targets along the way, says Trump.

Speaker 12 (23:31):
They don't want to fight anymore. They just don't want
to fight, and we will honor that and we will
we will stop the bombings. And they have capitulated. But
more importantly, they we will take their word. They say
they will not be blowing up ships anymore.

Speaker 17 (23:53):
Next week, Trump is heading to the Middle East to
Sadi Arabia, the UAE, and kata and he teases announcement
to be made some time before he leaves.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
We're gonna have a very very big announcement to make
like as big as it gets.

Speaker 12 (24:05):
And I won't tell you on what but it and
it's very positive.

Speaker 17 (24:09):
Kenney crept. He was on the edge of his seat.
Then they all went off to lunch.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Now I've been reading them, I can't get to the bot.
Is it power? Is it staff? What's going on at
Newark Airport?

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yes?

Speaker 16 (24:19):
And yes.

Speaker 17 (24:20):
Another day of chaos, flying delays, cancelations that what is
one of the biggest airports in the country New York
serves and New Jersey also part of New York. The
reason for it is pretty scary, really. They had a
situation the other day where the radar and communications in
the control tower went out for ninety seconds, leaving the
head traffic controllers and the pilots of the incoming jets
unable to connect, said one controller.

Speaker 18 (24:42):
Three of the four.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Radar screenwab block.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
They have no frequency.

Speaker 17 (24:46):
So the jet crews are up there flying blind approach.
Are you there? Ask one of the incoming pilots. Do
I have Bravo clearances? Asked another pilot, meaning permission to
enter the airport airspace? No, says a controller. We lost
our rail you know, they do a lot of training
not for this though, and the Transportation Secretary Sewan Duffy says, it's.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
A sign that we have a frail system in place
and it has to be fixed.

Speaker 17 (25:12):
You think it might be a good idea. The FAA
is blaming equipment failures and staffing. A frigate of copper
wiring is said to be responsible for that ninety second
blackout of Some say they should be using fiber optics instead.
After this, at least five controllers took forty five day
break siting trauma off at ard H, so delays are

(25:32):
stretched into periods up to six hours now, as the
Transportation boss says, there'll be announcement later this week that
the federal government is going to try and rebuildings there,
but that could take years. So it might be a
stop to avoid in your travel plans.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
We'll see you Friday. Appreciate it. Just before we leave
the States, insight into how bad these tariffs are affecting
the American economy. It's gone everywhere US agriculture sector, farm products, soybeans, corn, beef.
This is trade data, big slide in the US exports
to the world, in China, in particular as you would expect.

(26:05):
Port of Portland fifty one percent decrease in exports, Port
of Tacoma twenty eight percent decrease in exports. And I
note interestingly, Rwanda and the Americans are talking about taking
some immigrants illegals. So this was Rmanda. Last time he
heard Rwanda. You heard the UK, and of course they
did a deal and that went to court and that

(26:26):
got scuttled and Albania deals with Italy. So America now
Rwanda seem very keen to take a whole lot of
illegals anyway, So the Americans are talking about that. Currently,
light away from seven.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
The Mike asking breakfast with the range Rover, the LA
News Togsdad been.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Mike, we still have a super fund of so how
is it fairing? Yes, we do, and it's faring quite nicely.
It's been whacked lately, but overall it's performing above market expectations.
As the last time I read, when they produced a report,
Richard referenced the Oval Office. Trump's been big redecorating the
Oval Office a lot of gold. Some would call it gordy,
but he.

Speaker 9 (27:00):
You see the new and improved Oval Office as it
becomes more and more beautiful with love, you know, we
handle it with great love and twenty four carried goal.
That always helps too, right, But it's it's been a
lot of fun, which going over some of the beautiful
pictures that were stored in the vaults that were for

(27:21):
many many years, in some cases over one hundred years.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
It was stored in vaults of the great presidents who
are almost great presidents, all having a reason for being up,
every one of them. So it's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
All the inns and the ouse.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
It's the bizz with business fiber, take your business productivity
to the mixed level.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
What do you do if your county sitting there looking
at that?

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (27:44):
I shouted Knight yesterday the Growth Summit head John Key
on the program yesterday they took a survey of those
who turned up, forty eight percent said this is small businesses.
Business people generally owned forty eight percents of the expected
moderate growth this year. That's good. Twenty three and a
half percent since significant growth, So you've got forty eight
and twenty three so that's a majority of people expecting growth,
so that's good. Only eighteen and a half percent said

(28:05):
it would stay the same. Ten percent we're expecting moderate
or significant decline. Fifty one percent hiring because their business
is growing good. Thirteen are planning to potentially drop staff,
so fifty one is a decent number. Sixty two percent
forecasting wage increases good. Fifty one percent are implementing price
increases within their businesses, with another fifteen percent undecided on

(28:26):
pricing at the moment. Thirty three percent say they will
maintain current pricing about a third. Thirty six said they
won't be affected by a tariff's, thirty two said they
will be. Thirty one don't know. So that's about rife
that survived at the moment, isn't it mostly maybe maybe
not two thirds? So they've got gaps at leadership level
in their business. So getting good people, finding good people,

(28:47):
getting them in from overseas is still a problem for
this country. What else we got? They want some help
from the government simplify the tax and compliance. They always
say that, though they want some TERRORFF relief by reducing
trade barriers. Not many trade barriers. You know, we're a
free for goodness sake, I don't know what you're I mean,
And we argue for free trade all over the world.
So overall positive momentum. Businesses are cautious to take risks

(29:08):
currently and they are focused on expansion, so that's reasonably encouraging.
Over before, tell you what's some fantastically interesting numbers around
newcast sales speaking of the New Zealand economy. So I'll
crunch you through some of those at the moment. Brook
van Velden, the architect of what really was one out
of the box yesterday? Who saw that one coming? And

(29:28):
who saw the bill? They're going to say it's billions.
So Seymour says, look, she saved the budget. Nikola goes,
it's not worry about the budget when really it is
and we all know it is so. But more importantly,
perhaps how do they solve the actual problem? Do the
changes solve the problem? Brook van Velden After the News?
Which is next?

Speaker 2 (29:47):
The Breakfast Show, Kiwi's Trust to Stay in the Know,
The Mike Hosking Breakfast with al Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life
Your Way News, togs head.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Be seven past seven. Well, last time she was on
the program, she promised to swe have changed the workplace
and yesterday was your headline. Graver and overhaul of the
pay equity system are almost pasted. Sort of pass partially
passed last night under urgency. The rest goes today. As
far as I understand it, current claims are off. Brook
van Velden, Minister of Workplace Relations, is with it's very
good morning to you. Good morning mate, a bit of
heat yesterday on the grounds of Parliament. Is there more

(30:18):
where that came from? Do you suspect?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Well?

Speaker 19 (30:22):
Look, I think there'll be some people who have strong feelings,
especially people who have been trying to negotiate a claims.
But what I would say is, I think it's better
for everybody that we've got the system right and everybody
still has the opportunity to bring a claim into the future.
It's just that the current government doesn't believe that we've

(30:42):
got those settings right that we can genuinely hand on.
Heart's say, the outcome of these claims is to rectify
genuine systemic sex based undervaluation. We believe with muddy the
waters with other collective bargaining things like inflation, other labor
market forces. I think anybody who supports women at work,
which I do, should support us trying to identify genuine

(31:05):
systemic sex based undervaluation.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
And there's your problem. You can't as much as I
support what you're trying to do, because what we're doing
currently is wrong. You can't because you will never compare
apples with apples. The comparators don't work.

Speaker 19 (31:20):
It is always going to be difficult. You're right, But
the government is committed to having a system for pay equity.
Where we have made some moves as a government is
how to tighten those thresholds so we can have greater
confidence that we were landing is on genuine sex based discrimination.
So I'll give you a couple of examples of how
we've tightened it to make the system have more confidence.

(31:42):
At the moment, people can choose a comparator for sex
based discrimination across the entire workforce. We're saying, let's start
firstly at home. If you can find people within your
own employer, that would be a good starting point. If
that comparison can't be made made with a similar employer,

(32:02):
that comparison's not there within your industry. If you can't
find one there, you've got to stop. You can't fish
the discrimination.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Well, why don't you just had Why don't you just
be honest about it? You can't. I mean, this Christine
Bartlett thing started out everybody loves people who works and
work in ress simes. They're kind, they're loving, they're there
for the right reasons. They don't happen to get paid
a lot of money. Comparing them to mechanics was pointless.
It's stupid. Teachers are the same. Teachers are teachers. They're
not worth comparing to anything else in the world. You
either want to be a teacher or you don't. It

(32:31):
is what it is. And you're still trying to jurymandle
with the system.

Speaker 19 (32:35):
Well, I think there's a bit of history that goes
back here. So we've had the equal pay system for
a while. I don't think anybody is disagreeing with this
that if you've got men and women doing the exact
same job.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
The same that's not what you're talking about those No.

Speaker 19 (32:49):
That's not. But there was a High Court case that
the National government in twenty seventeen which to then put
into law to have a process for pay equity.

Speaker 16 (32:59):
So that's the basis.

Speaker 19 (33:00):
Yeah, this has been supported as a pay equity system
from National and labor. What I've done as an act
Minister has come along and said, Okay, I don't think
we've got those settings right. How do I feel confidence
that we can tidy it up, so we have better
confidence that where we are landing with these settlements, we
actually finding genuine cases of discrimination based on step.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Well, I wish you well with that. When we talk
about the savings, though, I don't want to get bogged
down on this. Do you know what the savings are
and they will come out in the budget or is
this guesswork?

Speaker 19 (33:32):
Look, all of the budget numbers are sensitive and I
am but do you.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Have a number? Is there an actual number?

Speaker 19 (33:39):
I have been provided a number, but I can't talk
about it.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
No, No, of course I don't want to do. All
I'm asking is I don't know how you've got a
number for something that you're still inventing.

Speaker 19 (33:50):
Well, we have been provided a number. I'm sure only
after a few sleeps we'll be able to talk about it.
But all I can say at this point is in
the billions of figures and it will make a significant
cost reduction to the crown.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
I'm sure it will, or I appreciate it very much.
Brooklyn Building Workplace Minister, eleven minutes past seven past game
job numbers out today Big brains are suggesting the unemployment
rate will be five point two five point three does
it really matter? A and Z Chief Economists Sharon zolms
back will the Sharon, very good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (34:21):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
My big question is five point two five point three
is this it has it peaked?

Speaker 15 (34:28):
That's our forecast. That's a pretty common forecast that this
is probably about it, which is historically a relatively low
peak in the unemployment rate if you can go back
to say the early nineteen nineties. Of course that's cold
comfort for the people who are caught up in it,
but given the depth of the recession that we had
last year, there was always going to be to the

(34:50):
labor market, and it does tend to come with quite
a lag. So given the economy is now recovering, albeit
not not rapidly, this should.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Be around the okay any sense of how it tails
off for the rest of the year and the so
called recovery picking up in the latter part of twenty five.

Speaker 15 (35:09):
Yeah, So in our latest forecast revisions, we did actually
decide that unemployment will hold up at that peak for
just a bit longer, because we've just taken a bit
of growth out of our forecast. So that's partly because
some of the data's been looking a little sluggish, but
partly also because we're assuming there will be a bit
of a confidence impact from this global stuff that seems
to have settled down now. I don't think anyone would
say it's over, and certainly our latest Business Outlooks survey

(35:30):
did so this there has been a confidence impact. The
question is just how long lasting that will be.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Is it variable when you look at the numbers, will
dive into the numbers regionally and age wise, in other words,
there's a lot of young people in the usual parts
of the country.

Speaker 15 (35:44):
Yeah, definitely the number The data is based on a survey,
so it can get pretty volatile when you go down
to the regional level. But certainly age wise, it's always
been the case that young people, Mali people, Pacific Islanders,
they're just I'm a bigger rollercoaster. When it comes to
the labor market, well, they have higher average unemployments that
also much much bigger swings as well. So it's certainly

(36:07):
true that recessions are not felt remotely.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Evenly, they are not Charon appreciated as almost Sharon's Ona
aims at Chief Economist coverage throughout the day. Of course,
the team minutes past seven past. She's right, and that
is the peak car registration is not great for April.
This is new cars down four point one percent year
on year, a massive twenty five percent drop on March
passengers unchanged. The RV the Red four is the leading

(36:35):
six hundred and ninety seven of them, Ranger behind it,
followed by the High Lux, the Rangers inching closer to
overtaking the high Lucks of year to date sales or
year to year sales ASX is in there, the outland
of the Celtoss, the Navara at the high Ace, the
MG one hundred and fifty one. The real story Pollstar.
By the way, as far as pure ev is concerned,
Pollstar leads to the pack. The real story is Tesla.
I'll come back to that. Tesla in this country has

(36:56):
absolutely created which I ask you the question, if you're
a Tesla owner or thinking of being a Tesla on it,
does the elor thing mean anything to you or not?
Because it's real. And wait till I get to the
European numbers, they're even worse. Fourteen past the Hike Asking
Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard By News Talks

(37:19):
that'd be just talks. To me seventeen past seven. So
the Fame conclave about to get underway in Rome. One
hundred and thirty three cardinals at Vatican City. They go inside.
They don't come out until the white smoke is seen
by the world. So what do we know, Mark O'Connor,
Catholic journalists in Vatican City at the moment, as with us, Mark,
morning to.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
You, Good morning.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
How these past couple been fascinating times.

Speaker 20 (37:39):
Yeah, well, they're very hectic and frenetic. There are four
thousand journalists here in Rome are credited. There's a lot
of rumors, a lot of gossip, a lot of theories,
a lot of discussions about what will happen next. But
one thing is for certain. Tomorrow evening Rome, by tomorrow
afternoon run time, they will process into the Sistine Chapel

(37:59):
and they really effectively won't come out until the white
smoke and the new Pope is elected. So yeah, it's
fascinating us to see what's going to evolve. There are
a number of options, but I think, you know, I'm
pretty optimistic myself as to where things will go, you know,
continuing on the legacy of Pope Paransis. I don't think

(38:19):
there's going to be any dramatic reversal.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
There are a few.

Speaker 20 (38:22):
Cardinals, yeah, there are a few cardinals are who are
kind of been loudly, kind of having their go in
the early days of the pre conclave meetings, but I
don't think there are any of the anything but a minority.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Very interesting because I was reading about the College of
Cardinals report, which is available online, but it was made
into a book, and the book was handed out, and
this is some sort of sure yeah yea, yeah, yeah yeah,
and so yeah, wow, that's not going to happen.

Speaker 20 (38:46):
No, I mean that that College of Cardinal's reports is
funded by you right wing Republican Trumpist's Catholics who have
been opponents of Pope Francis, and they've they've been trying
to find and dig up dirt on all sorts of
prospective candidates for the papacy that they don't like. But
you know, I mean, nobody's perfect, and plenty of bishops

(39:07):
and cardinals have made mistakes and nobody and the one
who's elected isn't going to be perfect either. However, I think,
you know, doing those sorts of hit jobs, they might
give themselves personal satisfaction. Those people but they have no
impact on the cardinals. The cardinals buy and group buy
larger a group of people who are pretty common sense,
reasonable decent people, and they don't like hit jobs on

(39:27):
their fellow colleagues, et cetera. So yeah, I mean, I
think there are I would put it in terms of
a driving analogy, there are there are when you're driving
a car, there are some who are trying to reverse
the car that Pape France has started, which was reform
of the church, I think in a sensible, moderate way.
There are others who wanting to go forward, but say, oh, well,
he caused a little bit disruption. You know, he wasn't

(39:48):
a typical he was an Argentinian pope. He caused some
people didn't like him. Most people did. In fact, a
lot of people who weren't Catholics liked him more than
some Catholics. And so they say, you know, oh well,
let's sort of sort of slow things down. We don't
want to reverse things, but we'll just put the brake
on a bit. And then there are others who I
think want to go into cruise control and say, and

(40:09):
I think they're the majority of you, say, look, we're
never going to get another of Pape Francis.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
He was completely unique.

Speaker 20 (40:14):
But we definitely need somebody who is going to take
the judge forward in a new age where you've got
Trump and Putin and a whole very chaotic you know,
world at war, you know, and the guards are in
all these things. And I think they're they're going to
look for somebody like Pape Francis who can connect with people,
because he's not just going to be the pope for Catholics.
He's going to be the pope who needs to talk

(40:36):
to human beings, you know, about their fundamental rights and dignity.
And Francis was great at that. So I think that's
going to go to you. And there's another group who
I think the two Jesuit Cardinals are very prominent people
that are in the conclave. They're more accelerators, you know.
I think they'll they'll have interesting things to say, but
I think it's more likely it's going to come from
a moderate progressive and the Italians really want to pay back.

(41:00):
They haven't had it for forty they haven't had it
for forty five years. But there's only seventeen cardinals that
are Italian, you know, out of one hundred and thirty
three and Italians, and the Italians are notoriously divided amongst themselves,
so I don't think they're going to.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Get their candidate.

Speaker 20 (41:14):
He was Cardinal parallel in the Secretary of State. He's
a fine man, but he's a diplomat, and you know,
he can't you know, he hasn't got a lot of
charisma with people. And he's but he's a beautiful man,
but you know, he lacks that quality to connect with people.
I think the cardinals are going to really want to
have somebody who has a little bit of charisma and
connects with ordinary people as well.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
All Mark, We've got to move it on, but I
appreciate it very much. Mike O'Connor, brother Mike O'Connor out
of the Vatican City. We'll see what happens. We'll wait
for the White Smoke.

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em really called Mike Waltz was a story. Erica Stanford

(42:38):
was not Walts on a platform that he should not
have been on, sent details to people who should not
have been in the loop about planes, where they were leaving,
where they were going, who they were killing. It was
a war. Erica sent emails to herself, not emails about
war or really anything of great substance. The Chinese or
the Russians, if they had intercepted the material would not
have been exercised or interested or held anyone hostage. Broke

(43:00):
the Cabinet Manual. Most people have never heard of the
Cabinet Manual. Most people have heard of the Hootie and
the Middle East and the ongoing war. Though how you
tell a story is the key here, because it goes
to credibility. The media has credibility trouble, and this country,
the state television operator in particular, has credibility issues. What
Erka did is not new labour. In fact, my bet,

(43:20):
people in every government since the invention of the computer
and email and the Cabinet Manual have probably sent themselves
some work. A piece of small reportage is probably appropriate
rules or rules, and ministers should stick with them. She
is admitted it is not best practice. A couple of
others wandered out yesterday and said, yep, me too. We
already know a long list of the last government did
exactly the same thing. At no point was security breached

(43:42):
or a plane launched, or did anyone die. Context somewhere
within TV and said there are pieces missing, the pieces
that connect their thinking and use judgment to those of
us out here in the real world. Their sense of
what is big and important and in need of a
two part blockbuster is broken. In a country and in
world where any number of large, complex and life changing

(44:02):
events are happening all around us continually, Erica and her
admin isn't one of them, and it is so obviously
not one of them. The fact they think it is
should be of serious concern to those who run the place.
As a fellow media practitioner, I'm increasingly embarrassed at an
industry I've spent my working life in watching it crumble
as judgment, professionalism, and audience understanding goes down. The gurgler

(44:27):
asking Uber drivers are starting to buy Teesla's, Mike, They're
going to get some bargains. No, Elon doesn't affect my
decision to buy a Tesla. Why are we letting forty thousand,
Mike unskilled immigrants in every year with unemployment over five percent?
Good news, my friend, We're not. We do not let
unskilled people into the country. I don't know where you
get your run numbers from. I will come back to
the Tesla numbers, Mike, current Tesla owner Elon factor definitely

(44:48):
a thing I bought mine in twenty two before he
was so openly a Nazi and a bell end. But
unlike many others, I bought the technology, not the person.
That's why I asked the question. And you're buying because
something's happened here. I'll give you the numbers, especially internationally.
Here it's a disaster, but internationally it's even worse, which
leads me to believe it's not tech because the tech
hasn't changed, or the shape or the price. It's entirely Elon.

(45:11):
You don't like Elon. You bought a car because of Elon?
So my question is why.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
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the Mike Hosking breakfast with the range Rover villa designed
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Speaker 3 (45:28):
He was an impressive role model, not now. This is
Elon and whether you bought a Tesla because of Elon?
He was an impressive role model?

Speaker 10 (45:34):
Not now?

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Does that mean you buy a car because of the
role model? So why would you buy it to who's
the role model at Toyota that you bought the car
based on? That doesn't make any sense. The demise of
Tesla demonstrates the fickle nature of the woke thinking of
the left. Unfortunately there easily swayed. Well, that assumes that
people who bought Tesla's are left leaning, and you can't
possibly know that. So the market here, as I gave

(45:56):
you the numbers earlier on Phillip, sort of bad. That's
a bad couple of years cars. Let's be honest, Pole
Stars leading the EVS. Tesla's completely crashed in terms of
sales in this country. They made it's a wholly owned subsidiary.
By the way of the Netherlands based Tesla International. They
made in the last year one hundred and forty nine

(46:18):
million dollars worth of sales. Is that good? Not really,
because the year before they made three hundred and seventy
three So, in other words, their business is more than halved.
In Europe, it is an absolute disaster. So pick a country.
Denmark sales down sixty seven percent, Netherlands seventy four percent,
Portugal thirty three percent, France fifty nine percent, Sweden eighty

(46:43):
one percent. As a business, you can't soak those numbers
up and survive. So something has to change. And him
going back to the company because he wants to give
up on those I don't know turns it around? Does
it turn it round in your mind? Or if you
if you one of those people who suddenly I thought
Tesla was cool because of Elon, you no longer think
he's cool. He doesn't become call just because he doesn't

(47:04):
work for dose anymore?

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Does he?

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Twenty two minutes away from it?

Speaker 20 (47:12):
Now?

Speaker 3 (47:12):
What we make of as members bill looking v on
social media for the under sixteens based on the Australian model.
Basically it would make companies use age verification now. The
National MP Catherine Webb is behind the bill and as
well as Catherine, very good.

Speaker 21 (47:23):
Morning to you, Good morning Mike.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
We've got a little bit of theory versus reality going here.

Speaker 21 (47:29):
No, absolutely not. I strongly believe that parents should be
better supported and protecting their children from the online harms
of social media. I'm regularly hearing from parents and principles
who are worried about the negative impacts of social media,
whether it's cyber bullying, exploitation, or inappropriate content, concerns about
anxiety and mental well being and mental health. And this

(47:52):
bill mirrors the approach that's been taken in Australia. It's
going to put the onus on social media companies to
ensure that you have to be over the age of
sixteen before they can access social media.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Well, you don't have to be. All you have to
be is the person who clicks the button that says
you are, which is two completely different things, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (48:12):
Well, I think at the moment social media companies aren't
doing enough. You know, it's incredibly easy for a young
child to set up a Snapchat account or a social
media account because they just put in often fake ages
and they have full access as many parents know. But
this bill requires that these social media companies must take

(48:33):
reasonable steps to prevent under sixteen year olds from having accounts,
and if they fail to do that, they're going to
face significant penalties under this bill. So putting the onus
on the social media company.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
What are the significant steps, specifically.

Speaker 21 (48:49):
The significant steps, Well, that will be up to the
social media companies to put better ID verification in place,
and so do you know they can do it, Well,
that's what they're working that's what they're working on in
Australia at the moment, and that's you know, what they
are working on in many areas around the world. Because

(49:10):
of course there's many jurisdictions that are also taking action
in this space. You will have seen in the UK
and you Canada and then Texas recently past legislation which
bans under eighteens.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I get what I'm trying to get, Catherine. What I'm
trying to get out of you is the reality versus
the theory, which is what I started with this. As
much as I am on your side, and every parent
would be on your side, if you can't technically make
somebody do something or they don't technically know how to
do it, all you're doing is relying on honesty, and
we know that's a futile exercise.

Speaker 21 (49:45):
Well, I think we have restrictions in the physical world
to protect our kits, so we should have restrictions in
the online world and this bill, but only.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
If you can you can technically, you can't sort of
going are you sixteen or not? Short of that, there
is nothing there technically, and the Australians have found this out.
Of course, there's nothing there that is available to us
that makes that happen.

Speaker 21 (50:10):
But at the moment, you know, parents, they are really
really struggling, and.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Look, I'm I'm a parent.

Speaker 12 (50:18):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I know you're seeing me the emotion. Don't sell me
the emotion, sell me the technical answer, and sadly you
don't have one.

Speaker 21 (50:25):
No, well, I think that we do because this bill
it says to those social media companies that you must
take reasonable steps, and what if they say.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
We can, technically, we simply don't know how to do it,
because think about just zooming on the phone. The kids
in your room with your phone, they go on into
social media, they think are you sixteen?

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Or no. What you're asking them to do technically is
when the kid lies and goes, yes, I'm sixteen. Somehow
magically Mark Zuckerberg's going to go hah, no, you're not,
and he can't do that.

Speaker 21 (50:56):
It's not going to be perfect, Mike, It's not going
to be perfect. But at the moment, this is a
direction from the government that we need to do more
to protect our kids from online harm, and we need
to put the onus back on those social media companies
who are serving our kids at the moment inappropriate content.

(51:18):
We are just seeing so much damage caused in our
communities from social media and so this is a really
important step in the right direction, and we really need
to try to protect our kids.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
ACT not with it. So do you see Labor coming
on board with us?

Speaker 21 (51:37):
Look, we're getting some positive responses because everyone, I think
sees there's a need and there's a need to protect
our kids from online harm. This is a bill that
I've been working on for over a year now, and
it is complex. As we've already discussed that it's progressive
that I've got it through our National Party caucus. The
Prime Minister is keen to work on this further and

(51:58):
look at it and see whether we can bring forward
as a government bill, which would be a really good
result for families and parents and kids across New Zealand.
So I'll be absolutely advocating for it to become a
government bill and i'd encourage those other parties to get
behind it.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
All right, Catherine Us talk to you. Appreciate it very much.
Catherine Weird, who's the National TOOKI took emp out of
the way. We'll ask Ginny because of course ACT aren't
on it, and they're not on it for the very
same reasons I argue it's actually not doable. If it
was doable, fantastic, We're all behind it, but I'm just
not in too politicians who virtue signal, which is essentially
what this is. Because you sell a motion, you go

(52:37):
this is a problem, this is an issue. We all
need help and we all go yes, yes, yes, yes,
And what's your answer? Well, something that doesn't work. I mean,
what nurse's point of that. So we will talk to
Ginny about that. In After eight o'clock sixteen two, the.

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Speaker 3 (52:59):
By the Way from the Wonderful World of beth One.
Oliver Oaks, whose very well respected name in the F
one world and was recently appointed the team principal at Elpin.
He's quit, so that's not going well for them. There's
something about the French and I got this from Drive
to Survive. Every time you look at helping there's something
they will reno. There's something about them being French. They're
a true French side of French manufacturing side. There's something

(53:22):
about their frenchness that doesn't work in the real world. Anyway,
He's quit and I'm assuming to and it's not far
behind him. Karney, who came out of the Yellow Chair Room,
has held his own press conference talking about US Canada relations.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
We are masters in our own home and we can
give ourselves far more than any foreign government can ever
take away. So now is the time to build, and
based on the discussion today, to build at home and
to build with our partners abroad, including the United States.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
He's no dynamo, but I quite like the cut of
his jib. I watched him on election night. He spoke
really well. He moves between French and English reasonably well. Anyway,
fifty first state, what do we reckon?

Speaker 6 (54:02):
The President has made known his wish about that.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Issue for some time.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
I've been careful always to distinguish between wish and reality.
I distinguished between the two, and then with respect to
the importance of re establishing a constructive relationship for negotiations,
of a partnership, of an economic and security partnership, which
is what we were here for, I look for it,
not back, and I think we established a good basis today.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
You did Okay, morning, Michael realized the bill won't solve
the problem fully, but as parents, you can do something
about it with the data planes. Of course we can't.
We can always go back to parents. It's a morning
of frustration. I think this is what I'm concluding, it's
a mourning frustration for me because it was like the
vaping interview we did earlier on when a government. If
a government wants to tackle vaping, they know what they

(54:54):
can do. They didn't do it two years ago. What
they said is you've got an established business, you can
keep it open. Then some guy to university goes and
does a study and sees all the shops that were
open are still open. They where they were two years ago.
Guess what, they're still there now, and they happen to
be within a killermeter. Some of them might even be
doing better than they exactly. And so so, I mean,
you knew what the outcome was going to be. Catherine

(55:15):
where God bless her. I mean she doesn't have the
technical now, so clearly to understand that technically you can't
do what she wants to do. Do we wish there
was that, yes, but there isn't. So don't start waxing
and waning about what.

Speaker 14 (55:29):
Near what we should really do as parent.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
You're not solving any problems. So report out and then
the orders to general. I thought he was leaving. So
he announces yesterday a probe and to school lunch is
to do, what to write? Yes, another report that goes,
oh somebody found a frozen bun and somebody else got
a chicken bone, and you know, stop wasting my time.

(55:56):
Then there's a report out this morning, and Mike Case
is going to hate me because I like Mike, because
Mike grows cherries and very good ones. But he's fixated
with electricity and he's behind this report this morning about
all the things that are run by fossil fuels in
this country. And they emailed me incessantly over the last
couple of days. And it's called the Machine Count Report,

(56:16):
and I thought, oh, yeah, that'll be moderately interesting. How
many machines in this country? I thought. I said to Sam,
you said, didn't know Sam, I said, to you, Sam,
Sam's the producer of the program. I got to introduce him.
Every time I mentioned his name, I said, Sam, I said,
it'll be interesting to know. I mean, how many blowers,
leaf blowers, how many line trimmers, how many motor mowers
are there? All that sort of stuff. And the report
doesn't even tell you that for a start. So I

(56:37):
was disappointed in the report. Say what posentage are just
in your garage? No, pushmars. There are five hundred and
five thousand push mahers in this country. That's an interesting
stat doesn't take us anywhere, doesn't solve anything, certainly doesn't
keep kids off social media. But there are five hundred
and five thousand push mowers in this country. That's good.
Turns out though. And here's the sham of the report.
What do you think the bulk of the machines in

(56:58):
this country that are powered by petrol of gas are
the answers cars. So we already knew that. So telling
me there's a couple of push mowers and a water heat.
Do you know the sixty four boilers in the country
run by petrol gas? Whipped?

Speaker 18 (57:11):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Do so?

Speaker 3 (57:12):
The whole repoy? How long was the report? Seventy seventy
five pages? Hey, why you go to the orders at
General's office and get on the old fax machine and
print a few of those off and spread them around
the place. Pointless waste of time. Nothing's changed.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
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estate news dogs.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
There'd be Mike, I feel your pain this morning. I
suggest you send the report from your work email to
your personal email, then print, and then shred very funny
warrant mikey U. Okay, yeah, I'm my ca. I'm good.
You're having a bad day now not I'm having a
very good day. Do you know what I think it is?
I'm being apart from this morning's program, which is full
of people with weird ideas that are going nowhere and
achieved nothing. Do you know what the problem is? John Key?

(57:50):
John Key came on this program. Every time I talked
to John Key, I'm inspired and reminded of what this
country can be. And that's my problem. My problem at
the moment is the frustration I have with people going nowhere,
doing nothing, coming up with stupid ideas, wasting my time
writing reports that achieve nothing, fix nothing, solve nothing, and

(58:12):
they just fill the room with noise. And then I
have to watch the news at night because it's my job,
and I watch somebody send an email from herself to
herself and that's a two part special. And I'm thinking
the media that I've spent my entire life and is
crumbling before my eyes. And this passes as professionalism these days.
And then John comes on the program and goes, we

(58:32):
can be good and we can be great, and we
can do all o those things. So I think that's
my unfolding frustration at the moment. Then I read about
couyeing Aura, this deck who got booted out, and we
were told you the other day they're finally booting people
out of these houses. This guy, this is in PAMI
eighty eight police call outs, fifty notices from kyeing Aura,

(58:55):
dozens of complaints, finally evicted. His name's Corey, Let's call
him Corey the dick. So was a tenant since April
of sixteen, twenty sixteen. So been there for years, multiple notices.
Between feb and December of last year, police had thirty
one records relating to the property. Do you think the

(59:16):
police got nothing better to do with their time? Kyng
Aura had issued fifty separate notices. And that is what
it takes to boot a lay about, a loser, a
go nowhere out of the state house. Meantime, there's record cues,
thousands of people, decent people who want a break to
get into a house, and we're giving it to him
and spending that amount of time and energy. That's the

(59:38):
stuff that does my heaven. Mike Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.

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Speaker 21 (59:54):
Head, be Baby, I'm all I've been talking, Dear John Letter,
is the last time I'm there?

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Gona of course it comes like Miley Cyrus.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Before I gets a bit.

Speaker 22 (01:00:04):
You think I'm on a message, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
It's Maddie and Tay, the sisters Well the Well according
they're unstoppable and unstoppable country popforce and funnily enough, despite
being a pretty hardcore country fan, I've never heard of them.
So four albums in, I'm just getting introduced, maybe like
you are at the moment. Is this all right? They

(01:00:37):
are quite likely? Are quite like forty eight minutes and
thirty four seconds over sixteen tracks. Love and Light is
the name of the album. Politics Wednesday, Jinny Anderson's with
us along with Mark Mitchell. Good morning to both of you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Morning, morning, morning.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Do you know have you heard about our new country
music station, Jinny?

Speaker 17 (01:00:59):
Oh no, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
It's on various frequencies around the country, and it's on iHeartRadio.
We've launched all launching this Friday, a country music station.

Speaker 23 (01:01:07):
Oh great, I'm in, I'm in.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
I reckon, I'm not in between six and ninety listen
other times of the day.

Speaker 23 (01:01:12):
But I'll tell my dad too, John, and we're talking
and help me in as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Tell your dad Mark, where is GiB and mcskimming?

Speaker 14 (01:01:21):
Well, he's suspended at the moment, and I can't say
anything more than that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
How long is he going to be suspended for?

Speaker 14 (01:01:28):
Well, until the process is complete, And I'm afraid I
just can't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I understand that. But why does it take so long?
Is there are very obvious once this all comes out
in the wash one way or another. Is there an
obvious reason why it's taken so long. He's been suspended
for months now?

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 14 (01:01:44):
I just you know, these metters do take They're taken seriously.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
There is a.

Speaker 14 (01:01:48):
Process that has to be followed that can feel like
it takes a long time, but it's got to be
done properly.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Okay, Jenny, I watch here's a text for you. I
watched Question Time yesterday as the nude I am as indeed,
i am, I'm interested. If you asked, Genny please of
Labour's biggest concern in education at the moment, is emails
being sent from Erica's Gmail address, and that was Willow
jen Prime. Was that story a stitch up between your
party and Mikey Sherman?

Speaker 23 (01:02:13):
There is a concern. I mean, don't let's not forget
that clear Current was prosecuted on this and ended up
losing your job as a result of not using.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I think I think it was a coffee with Carol
Hirschfeld that did her in.

Speaker 23 (01:02:28):
Well yeah, well, but the point is that we need
to know those things and we get pretty strict briefings
from GCSB. You know. That's why guys and all of
those Internet safety people that it's a real risk to
be doing that and not to do it, to be upfront.

Speaker 11 (01:02:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
No one argues you break the rules, but you guys
all broke the rules. We know that, and that's why
I can't work out. So was it a stitch up?
Was Willo Jeen Prime feeding Mikey Sherman? Is this how
this works?

Speaker 23 (01:02:54):
No? No, I think there's therese information going everywhere at
the moment. There's lots of different people in the public
who have who are now saying that eric Is Sinford
has asked them to email her at their address.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
So this can I just say this thing? And I'm
not a technical expert, but my wife was explaining she
is was explaining to me. We've got a number of
email addresses. I've got a number of email addresses, and
depending on how the email arrives depends on what thing
it sends it back in, and you may or may
not know what that address is. If that makes sense.

(01:03:25):
Is it possible that I write to Erica, Erica replies
to me and they go, right, that's on Gmail as
opposed to a ministerial account, and she may not have
known that.

Speaker 23 (01:03:34):
No, that's not right. So the parliamentary system is secure
and it's encrypted in Gmail is not And no, I
know that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
But if I wrote to her on Gmail, if I
looked up her address and saw it was Erica at Gmail,
and I wrote to Erica at Gmail and she replied
on gmailers, it's not her fault. But I wrote to.

Speaker 23 (01:03:49):
Her, No that I think that's the point that we
need to get to the bottom of that. The parliamentary
system is unlikely to allow that kind of a division
to be in place.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Okay. Having said that, your question, surely, Mark, is that
there's a world of really big stuff going on right now.
This isn't one of it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Yeah, so I can help Genny get to the bottom.

Speaker 14 (01:04:09):
But quite simply, Erica Stanford is working extremely hard on
making our education system much better and much more friendly,
user friendly for both our teachers and parents to get
our kids back at school and get them learning again.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
So that's number one.

Speaker 14 (01:04:23):
Number two she used her Gmail, she said, because she
had to print some documents.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
Totally get it. Though. Apparently minister or services are fixing that.
So the reality is the reality. So there's no big
conspiracy here, Jinny.

Speaker 14 (01:04:41):
It's just quite quite simply a minister is working very
hard trying to get the job done.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
She said. Yes, it wasn't the perfect process. She's aware
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Now we all want to do it again. The create absolutely,
and we go back to twenty eighteen, Jenny, And this
is the end of it because I'm sick of it.
But you guys all did it. When I say you're
not you specifically, but there's a long list of labor
and piece who did it. I mean, it's it's just
stuff happens, that's life. It's admin. Move on. I mean,
this is not a scandal.

Speaker 23 (01:05:08):
We just need to make sure that in this day
and age, when he's increasing risks around security of internet
and information, particularly budget information, that everyone's using the rules
as they are. And you know marks me before, he's
a big guy for the rules, loves them, must stick
to them. So that applies to all in peace and
we need to be clearer that everyone needs to be
using them well before.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
I forget Ginny Catherine Wedd's thing on social media, would
you guys back that? Given act wont Well?

Speaker 23 (01:05:33):
It's a bit funny, isn't it. Why have you got
the Prime Minister standing by a backbencher saying he loves
this as a member's bill. If he thinks it's so cool,
why doesn't he just make it a government bill and
do it very cool?

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
But given it isn't, why don't would you stand behind it?

Speaker 23 (01:05:48):
We think it's pretty, it's all right. I want to
take a better look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Yeah, I want you had a better look at it
in theory? Would would you back.

Speaker 23 (01:05:54):
It in theory?

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Good?

Speaker 23 (01:05:55):
But the problem we've got is implementation and that's what's Australia.
His head that it's great, how.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Are you going to it doesn't work? Market doesn't work.
Have you told Catherine when it doesn't work, Well, look.

Speaker 23 (01:06:09):
There in schools. Let's look at the I go into
a bunch of high schools. They've all got their laptops out,
and you're missing in each other like crazy on their laptops,
not on their phones now because phone's got bat So
like we need to look at if it's implemented, is
it actually going to work and make it safer or
is this just a bumper sticker that makes parents feel
okay for a while, and then none of the army.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Well said, well said, I'm loving you more and more
by this segment goes on.

Speaker 14 (01:06:30):
Mark you so what Well, the first thing I'd say is, yes,
the Prime Minister supports all of his MPs, so seeing
them about supporting one of our caucus members is something
that a leader should do. Number two, it's somebody that
Catherine feels very strongly about as a mother, and she's
brought this forward through our caucus, which is a process

(01:06:52):
that all of the parties use, and she's put it
forward as a members bill, which is he.

Speaker 23 (01:06:56):
You're the government government, you're the government legislation.

Speaker 14 (01:07:01):
So Ginny, every single justpit, every single one of our
members of caucus has got a private member's bill. That's
the way I bring legislation through as well, and it
may turn into a government bill. That's not my decision.
That will be a decision with the Coalition. But at
the moment you've got a really passionate member of Caucus,
a Member of Parliament and a mum that has brought
this forward. We know that yes, technology has been very

(01:07:22):
positive for us, it's also got some serious negatives and
the way it impacts with our young people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
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Ginny Anderson fourteen past.

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Talksp News Talks seventeen past eight Mark the pay equity
thing frustration I have with Brook van Velden in its
purest form. You're never going to be able to Jerry
Manda gender when it comes to work. So what is
it you're trying to achieve? Well, he didn't. He fact

(01:07:58):
checked himself into muting Boomer timing. You're there, Jinny, Yeah,
I'm here. What's the matter with them?

Speaker 23 (01:08:06):
I'm not sure. I think it's the chubby cheeks again.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
I think it is. It's just and he'll come back
on in a moment. You go, I'm here.

Speaker 23 (01:08:11):
Do I get to talk about pea?

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
All right?

Speaker 10 (01:08:14):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Because I had a neck. We want a system that's yeah,
every time music is he done again, he's doing it again,
and he'll boom back anyway. The point is that, yes, yes,

(01:08:37):
just laugh.

Speaker 14 (01:08:39):
I was just I was just going to say that
at the end of the day, we want a system
that is equitable, fear and is sustainable.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Yeah, but you haven't got one and you're not going
to have one. That's my point this morning. You can't
you can't go rest home working mechanic. It's not real.

Speaker 23 (01:08:55):
Yeah, it's it's ridiculous that the lowest paid women and
you Zealand are going to have it a worse under
this legislation, and then they're boasting about it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
You've got David c.

Speaker 23 (01:09:07):
Can I because you lower it, you make it harder,
you make it more difficult. How you change it from
seventy percent to sixty percent characters seventy, You change the comparators,
how it's compared, You make those ridiculous, You make those
listen though, you make it ten years before they can
go back and have it reviewed. All of the thirty

(01:09:29):
three claims that were underway are wiped out.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Make it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
It does not stop pay equality claims.

Speaker 23 (01:09:34):
The ones that have been in training for all that
time are being wiped out. Thirty three have been absolutely
wiped out by that legislation. You have David Seymour boasting
that he has saved your budget by saving millions of dollars.
Those millions of dollars belong to women working hard in
jobs that should pay them more. The listeners to this
radio station will have women in those jobs and they

(01:09:56):
need to know that this government has undercut their wages
in order to pay for their budget.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
You Mark, are you guys right behind it? I mean,
I get that this is a very act ideological thing.
I get that. Are you guys in boots and all?

Speaker 14 (01:10:09):
Yeah, we support it because at the end of the day,
the system, the way that Laboured set it up, was
not sustainable for us as a country. And what Jenny
fails to members fails to mention, it's all those women
out there that are also as tax payers paying for it.
So we have to make sure that so we have
to make sure that it is sustainable. It's not government money.

Speaker 23 (01:10:28):
You can't afford to work.

Speaker 14 (01:10:29):
It's tax payers money, and it's.

Speaker 23 (01:10:32):
Not taxpayers money, it's wages of private businesses. Also, it's
a whole.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Range because a lot of people are employed in the
public service, so is Mark.

Speaker 23 (01:10:42):
Actually they're not all though. Are you actually saying Mark
that it is not sustainable for this government to pay
the lowest paid women workers a fair wage.

Speaker 14 (01:10:50):
It's not sustainable for this country with the settings that
you changed, and that is why you said, that's absolutely
and that is why we have made the changes.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
And that is why certainly from out the complete.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Is when you say people are worth more, who decides
And you've decided that mechanics are the same as rest
home workers, which is absurd, So that needs changing. But
what you know, some job work is worth what it's worth.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
The comparators are ludicrous, So.

Speaker 23 (01:11:16):
That's fine if you want to fix that, we're happy
to have a debate, but do not eradicate thirty three
claims and do not make.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
It Those claims are on old rules. If you're changing
the rules, you can't have them some on the old
rules and some on the new rules, because that's not
a level playing field.

Speaker 14 (01:11:30):
Those claims still come forward, they can still come forward.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
He talks about I think you tell me that those
claims can't progress. Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
They progress under a more difficult set of circumstances.

Speaker 14 (01:11:46):
No resetting to what's what the settings were before, and
in line with the bill that we brought forward because
we wanted to make sure that as a national party
that we were recognizing dealing with pe equity. We recognize
it's an issue. We want to deal with it with
all got mums and daughters and everyone else. We want,
we want it to be feared, and we want it
to and we will from.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
It's great, isn't it. It's an excellent geney. It's an
excellent contest of ideas. I get your view, I get
mark view. It's a good contest of ideas.

Speaker 23 (01:12:15):
Fix the comparators don't.

Speaker 14 (01:12:16):
And the reason why is because you keep referring to
women and driving it back to women.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
And that's right, that's right.

Speaker 14 (01:12:26):
But you gave an eye roll when you when you
said that we care just as bit about that, just
as much.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
As you do.

Speaker 23 (01:12:31):
Not that actually believe it or not say one thing
one as well, just condescending.

Speaker 15 (01:12:41):
It's just.

Speaker 14 (01:12:43):
It's not condescen at all. The point putting labels on people.
It's a minute you lose the debate you try to
put labels on people. You're completely consistent. It's not condescending.
It's quite simply the fact that as a country we're
trying to be really responsible and allow system to be
that sustainable into the future everyone can have access to it.
We should all be driving towards play equity and this

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is what this change does.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
All right, brief, Okay, guys, appreciate it, Mark Mitchell, Giny
and now tell you what I'm interested in is whether
it moves the needle politically, because it's a hot potato,
as they say, ginyans and Mark Mitchell for another Wednesday
twenty three, The.

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likely to be tipped as well, including Minick Ryan in
the famed Cou Yong seat she thought she'd won. We're
not so sure now, So the the wheels are still turning.
Steve Price with all the details up the news which
is next here at Newstalk.

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Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Little bit of quick realist. That news just in from
Trade Me. Average asking price for houses down smid zero
point eight percent. This is on March two point six percent.

Speaker 23 (01:15:02):
For the year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Does that mean much? Probably not. Monthly dart is fairly noisy,
as they say, As Andrew Kellaher would say, most regions
are down just a smidge on the month. Auckland down
one to one point four in Wellington, one point two
in Marlborough, seven point four in West Coast. So that'll
be that's the noisy part I was talking about. Doesn't
really make sense. The best place in the country in
terms of prices asking prices up Taranaki, welcome to the party.

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That's about it really, apart froment everyone else's flat twenty
three minutes away.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Rowing e because you'll no I've got my lunch bet
with Andrew Kellerher. He says five or under as far
as a percentage rise on house prices this year, I
say it'll get to five possibly a smitche higher so
I'm losing currently. Now Steve Price is with us morning mate, Hey,
good morning, I reckon. What's happening now with the election
is way more interesting than what happened on Saturday night.

(01:15:58):
Talk to me about Bent, Monique and Bradfield.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:16:04):
Look, the Liberal Party who didn't have much to celebrate,
as you said Saturday night, but they've clawed back in
a couple of seats, particularly against Teals. Now, just so
everyone understands, there's two seats in Melbourne in particular, one's
Goldstein and one is Cuyong. Both inner city, wealthy suburbs.
Goldstein large Jewish population, Couyong suburbs like Armadale, South Yarra,

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place like that, wealthy, big houses, expensive houses. Both went
to Teals at the last election three years ago. In
Cujong it was doctor don't forget to call her doctor
Monique Ryan. She looks like she's in big trouble, even
though she stood up on the stage and said they
night celebrated and started dancing. A merely a Hamer, the

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granddaughter of a former Victorian premier, Sir Rupert Hamer, has
got a nose in front. Hamer Hall got a nose
in front and possibly could win. Goldstein's definitely gone to
the Liberals. Tim Wilsoner used to hold the seat three
years ago, as managed to beat the former ABCTV journalist
Zoe Daniel, who is a Teal and won that seat

(01:17:12):
last time. So he's got that. He's got that back
In Sydney a female Liberal candidate by the name of Captarian.
She's got a nose in front there as well against
a Teal. So what does that all mean. It means
the Teal movement, despite the large amounts of money put
in by Homes of Good sign of Homes of Court,
are on back foot. And so that gives the Libs

(01:17:34):
three more seats, which is good, and they may even
pick up another one in wa Adam Banner, I mean,
we've just got to keep our fingers crossed. Yes, But
now next Monday when I speak to you, one of ours.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Did the Greens end up with? Is the one I see?
For the Greens his or if they're gone.

Speaker 18 (01:17:51):
Gone in the lower House wildly. And look, they're still
going to hold somewhat balance of power in the upper
House Senate. But Adam bann Out he's held that since
twenty ten. He was the victim really of redefining the
boundaries of that seat. He lost a couple of the

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green typical green suburbs of not fitz Roy and Collingwood
where people wear sandals and write electric bikes and all
that sort of stuff. He tot her for dinner and
he picked up some of Southierra, so he might lose that,
which would be a great benefit to the whole country.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
A couple of questions, Read the opposition and what's left
of them. I saw a bloke on the television yesterday
as a senator from Tasmania. I'd never heard of them,
but he was laying into them big time. He said
their polling company was rubbish, they got dud numbers, they
were sold a pup. We were sending messages saying, alarm bells,
alarm bells, alarm bells. Head office wasn't listening to us.

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How much acrimony is there?

Speaker 18 (01:18:51):
Yeah, lots. That was John o'dunham, who have on the
Sky Show on a regular basis. Pretty smart guy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
He's a senator.

Speaker 18 (01:18:58):
He wasn't up for election this time and he said
TASMANI was basically ignored. There's a huge amount of ill
will within the Liberals about how the campaign was run.
Their polling company was no good. So now going to
choose a leader. The three leading candidates seemed to be
Angus Taylor, Shadow treasurer. He's probably going to get it,
although one report this morning has Susan Lay, who was

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the deputy to Peter Dutton, getting the job. Now would
that be smarter the Liberals to put a female in
charge of the Liberal Party for the first time? Probably?
Is she the greatest candidate? Well, she's an interesting woman.
She's a former commercial pilot born in South Africa. She's
got lots of spark about her. But I don't know

(01:19:41):
whoever gets it's not going to be Prime Minister of
the country because of the loss. There's at least one
three year term in opposition, probably two, and so you're
not going to be PM. And who's going to be
opposition leader for six years?

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
A good question? Tell you what's interesting about elbow for
a bloke who was against leading into this and what
you say is probably right. A three termer. It's not
often you get a three term prime he turns out
to be and the history books will show if it
all lasts, one of your great political success stories.

Speaker 18 (01:20:13):
Yeah, you could only loan him up with John Howard,
and there's no one in labor that's managed to do that.
I mean, people idolize GoF Whitland, but he basically ruined
the country. Bob Hawk is probably the person who you'd
stand albow next to. And you know, if you said
I'd be saying that unreal a week ago, I'd say
you're crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Tell you what the other interesting thing I found and
I hadn't thought about it till yesterday. It's the Libs
that killed them. The coalition. We've got to remember the
coalitions made of two parties. My understanding was the vote
for the country side of the equation, the Nats was fine.

Speaker 18 (01:20:45):
Held up, didn't lie. David Little proud of the leader.
There's even some suggestion this morning from former WA premier
that the coalition should actually be flipped on its side.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:20:58):
They should merge and the Libs put them together and
have one party, which is an interesting debate to have.
I don't believe it will happen, but yep, the NAT's
out in the bush. So what the Libs have done
is they've hollowed out unless they win these two seats
and well, and they've hollowed out inner capital cities. They've
now lost the outer suburbs and they're basically hanging on

(01:21:20):
by the coattails to people who vote in the Bush.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Interesting Mike Bush speaking of Bush, good bloke, And to
be honest, why he would take on the job he's
taken on, I don't know. But if anyone can do it,
he can. So you've got yourself a very very good hire.

Speaker 18 (01:21:40):
Well that's interesting because I'm going to write a column
about this because the leadership of the Victorian police force
you and I've took about before, has been pathetic for
a long time. And Mike Bush is walking into a
state that's in the middle of a crime crisis, used
crime crisis, in particular home invasions, car jackings, and tobacco
shops being set on fire every night. I presume he's

(01:22:02):
clever enough to have done his research, Yes, but as
you said, why the hell would you take that job on?
On top of all of that, he's got a police
force where the police union believes that those at the
top haven't looked after the members on the streets. And
he's got to cut two billion out of his budget
before he even starts because the state government is so broke.
This would be he's a great man, in my opinion,

(01:22:24):
one of the worst jobs to put your hand up
for in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Couldn't agree more. By the way, just quickly, r LCT,
which is your luxury car tax is going to go. Now,
explain it to me if you can under elbow. Which
is the part I'm confused about, because your luxury cars
and Australia costs more than they do here, and you
tax people for being successful and wanting to drive a
nice car. In getting rid of it, what what's the

(01:22:47):
argument for getting rid of it?

Speaker 18 (01:22:49):
They want to do a free trade dealer Europe, and
so the Europeans say, well, you're punishing us when we
send you Porsches, Ferrari's, BMW's Mercedes. Take that off and
we'll sit down and talk to you. But if you
don't take that off, and I can talk it as
simple as that, you can get a hard left labor minister.

(01:23:09):
One of the first things he's going to do is
make it easier for my costing to buy a new Ferrari.
I mean I don't quite get it either.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
God bless them. Nice to see you mate, to see
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Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
A'd be it was entirely predictable that India has gone
at Pakistan in the last couple of moments. Military operation
into Pakistan and Kashmir, of course, came out of the
attack the other day. Measured non esculatory in nature, non esculatory,
enjoy saying that non esculatory. It's not often you get
to say that. Anyway, We'll see where that goes. So
it's not a war, but it's a skirmish. And you've

(01:23:50):
got the Middle East and you've got Ukraine and she
had a fun world at the moment. By the way,
just before we leave Australia, Aliver Heart, which a person
who appears on this program for the New Zealand Initiative,
has a very good piece in the Australian newspaper this morning,
well worth reading. I've seen this movie before. He talks
of the Australian election and then comes back to New Zealand.
New Zealand's Labour Party swept to power in twenty twenty

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three years later, Labor was unceremoniously ejected. It's the questions
I asked the other day of the various correspondents, what
chance this all goes to Elbow's head, a Lara Durn's head,
They go nuts and the next thing you know, the
whole thing is a disaster, he concludes. And it's quite nice.
No matter how overwhelming the majority governments ultimately faced the

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most effective constraint the judgment of ordinary citizens. That is
both a frustration and the glory of democracy. Also interesting,
I thought yesterday the polling company for the Liberals got
to Dutton in the campaign, raised the alarm and they said, look,
things aren't going well. Everyone's telling us you lack empathy

(01:24:51):
on screen. When you talk they say things like I
just don't like the guy. He gives me negative vibes.
So that was that ongoing. This is Freshwater who do
the polling. They called it Project to Madura. This is
back in April. And the advice they gave to Dutton
enjoy the campaign with a relaxed, sincere tone, using relatable
language convey a more relaxed and enthusiastic presence. That signals

(01:25:12):
Dutton's enjoying the campaign and engaging with voters as though
that's something you go, Oh is that the problem?

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:25:18):
Cool?

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
All right, Well I'll just be not what I am
and something completely different and that should well go well
for me. It's hard to believe people get paid money
to offer advice like that, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Read quite a lengthy report yesterday on whether Elcatrez can
be reopened. The answers No. Reagan had a look at it,
and I think that's the lesson. I don't know how
serious this look was, as look was long enough for
them to go no, mister Reagan, you can't. And so
Trump's idea is the same thing that Reagan had, but
it's too far gone.

Speaker 15 (01:25:54):
As indeed so was he.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Yeah, probably just as well, given that it's a good
tourist attraction. I think it's a better tourist attraction than
it is a place to hold a legal immigrants. Mike,
you're losing your housing bet. You can't confuse potential with prospects.
Keep sets in the back row now and can afford
to be upbeat. Unfortunately, the country is beleagued by hurdles
that don't seem to be going away as much as
ac tries and national capitulates, whilst a grinning chippy throws

(01:26:19):
peanuts from the gallery. I think you're being overtly negative,
not completely unrealistically negative, but overtly negative. And it'll be
a close run thing. And if I lose, I won't
lose by much enough I win, I won't win by much.
But I don't think that five percent by the end
of the year is unrealistic. What I am looking forward
to today in an odd way, of these job numbers,

(01:26:39):
if just to get the sense that we're done and
so this is the last hall indicator of this calamitous
mess that labor left us with. So inflation's under control,
et cetera, et cetera. Jobs are the last thing. At
five two five three, If that's the number today, if
it surprises to the upside, then we've got trouble. Or
if we get some sort of indication that it's five
to two plus, there's more to come, And of course

(01:27:01):
the reserve banker back can play by the end of
the month as well, with a couple more cuts to
come before the end of the year. I think all
of those things loaded in and six seven months still
ago in the year. I think there's some tailwinds to
come for the latter part of this year. Is my guess,
my gut, my spidery vibes five minutes away from.

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Microsoft have launched a couple of things this morning.

Speaker 22 (01:27:26):
This is the Surface Laptop. It's clean, it's powerful and
tamp gorgeous. If you need the most flexibility, then there's
the Surface Pro. It's a laptop, it's a tablet, it's
whatever you need it to be. But they're not just
a pretty phase underneath serious power. And yes they both
have a touchscreen because seriously, why wouldn't they And with

(01:27:48):
Copilot you've got a built in genius.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
The female boys great, the others don't use female boys
is why are they sexist? What happened there is they're
a pay equity deal at Microsoft. What's happened? Thirteen inch?

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
I think I've got a Surface Pro. I think I do.
I don't know what it is, but I think it
is thirteen inch Surface Pro laptop. I got a twelve
inch Surface Pro. I don't know what I've got, but
it's one of those things anyway, touch screens. See the
touch screen thing is the MacBooks don't have touch screen.
Can you believe that? Why is that? What's the retionale
behind that? That's the stupidest thing of this.

Speaker 20 (01:28:16):
Otherwise they probably stopped selling iPads, I reckonize.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Oh a good point. Yeah, well done there, Glenn Slimmer's
co pilot. PC's money can buy Copilot, being Microsoft's AI helper.
So what do you got? You can pre order?

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Does anyone pre order? Honestly?

Speaker 12 (01:28:30):
Really?

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
I mean is that that gripping is your life, that
devoid of anything? You got better pre as opposed to
just wandering past the shop and going, oh they're there,
now are they? I'll buy one Violet, Ocean and platinum.
So what are you paying? Starts at a couple of
grand and the surface pro is seventeen ninety nine. Samy's
written here not bad, but Samy's on very good money,

(01:28:52):
So I don't know. Samy's not in the real world
in terms of what you know, you and I can
afford in terms of the cost of living crisis. So
Sammy's you know, swan off to buy some Dubai chocolates
and a surface lap pro top, touchy feely whatever he
is doing. But you know, Sam's out of touch. I
got I have a word with him because one of
the things that we pride ourselves on in this program

(01:29:14):
is being down with the peeps, and I think just
Sam's lost the plot. Super humble, super humble. I think
Sam's lost the plot on that a little bit. So
we'll have a word with them and see how things go.
The modest ole Mic Hosking Breakfast is what we call it,
super sat down. Don't Mike back tomorrow from Sex Having Days.

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