Full Show Podcast: 08 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Credible, compelling the Breakfast show, you can't bess it's hither
Duplessy Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Defender,
embraced the impossible news togs dead.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Be morning and welcome to the show. Coming up today,
Andrew cost has given his side of the store and
he's trying to dump Mark Mitchell, and we're going to
speak to Mark after seven. We have yet more confidence
in next year being the year of the economic recovery
asb on that. What does the Netflix Warner Brothers deal
mean for your Netflix prices? Richard Arnold does the US
and Steve Price does Australia. Hey, do you know what

(00:37):
it was okay for the Prime Minister to go to
the IQA opening on Thursday? And it was actually okay
for you to be excited about the store opening if
you were. Because the reason I'm telling you this is
because today, yet again, there is a newspaper columnist cringing
at the fact that we fizz that hard for a
flat pack stores opening. And hopefully Luxon didn't go on
social media over the weekend or he might have read
just how embarrassing it was that he turned up there

(00:58):
to open the thing, and yes, look we did get
a bit mental over it, didn't we. I mean, there
may have been too many live blogs and too many
journalists there, but actually it was exactly the right place
for the Prime Minister to be because Ikea is an
example of exactly what Chris Luxen's government is trying to do,
which is to bring in overseas investment, create jobs in
New Zealand and get consumers spending again to lift the
economic recovery. Prime Minister's opening things is not embarrassing as

(01:22):
a rule. John Key opened the building I'm in right
now about a decade ago when he was Prime Minister,
and frankly, I suspect that the level of excitement generated
by IKEA's opening is not so much because we love
a flat pack, but actually because we know how rare
and opening by a global retailer is in this country,
because we have written the rules to make this incredibly
difficult in the form of the RMA. I was reminded

(01:43):
over the weekend what I had to go through to
get consent here, including having to give the local EWE
permission to go to access the site any time they liked.
Having representatives of seven different Monifenua Group's prey at the site,
at the pre start meeting, at the commencement of earthworks,
and just before the complete of bulk earthworks. Because yeah,
prayers are really important. It took the company seven years

(02:05):
to open this shop. Now, fortunately, happy days, they are
Amazon for a rework that we might actually learn the
detail of as early as tomorrow. But for now, the
only thing worse than being a little too excited is
pornering scorn on those who are excited with good reason.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
News of the world in ninety seconds right, a.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Group of men have attached more than twenty people attacked
rather more than twenty people with pepper spray at Heathrow Airport.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
A number of people having been assaulted within the multi
story car park at Terminal three. That what have been used,
they believe was a form of pepper spray by a
group of men who then left the scene.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
This guy saw it go down.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Then they bolted, and they went through a side door
and up some stairs, and at that point people started
coughing at a time at first, and then suddenly I
sort of looked around and everyone in the room was coughing,
including me.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
The eldest of Trump's children has been in Doha and
spoke of the fact that Donald could walk away from
a peace deal in Ukraine.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
I'd ask, is Russia Ukraine a top three issue for
anyone in the room.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
Nothing.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
And what's unique about my father is you don't know
what he's going to do, so that forces everyone to
actually deal in an intellectually honest capacity.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
JP Morgan's annual stakeholder letter says Donald Trump's tariffs will
continue to make things work worse next year for the US,
and they're causing a lot of people to think that
there could be a bit of a recession.

Speaker 7 (03:38):
Companies are making profits, stock markets are high, and that
can easily continue. There are a little small negatives, you know,
like jobs are weakening, but just a little bit. Inflation
is there and maybe not going down now.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Because Mike will tell you this, I'm going to tell
you this too. The F one season is done for
step and one. The final race. Lando Norris did enough
by getting on the podium and to win the drivers
Championship with McLaren boss Zach Brown paying tribute to both
of his drivers.

Speaker 8 (04:05):
Oscar and Lando.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
We're perfect, unbelievable teammates. Team did a great job and
to beat Max.

Speaker 8 (04:12):
There's no easy feet but we did it.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
And we hear from the champ himself.

Speaker 9 (04:15):
My best performance is this year came when I needed
them the most, the second half of the season, when
I was a little bit on the back foot. That's
that's when I did my best and it's when I
showed the most of me and I managed to get
the cup. I needed to perform and do what I
needed to do today.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
And finally and look, you de side for yourself. But
I feel like this should be getting a lot more attention.
The UN has made a stark announcement this morning. They
said that the drone strike from Russia on Chernobyl now
means that the protective shield built around the nuclear disaster
site is no longer strong enough to confine radiation coming
from the site. It's no big deal now A big

(04:52):
renovation is needed, apparently to ensure the site's safety and
clean up radioactive waste from the strike. Like I said,
got a bit, don't worry about it, not a big deal,
and that is news the world in ninety seconds. Now listen,
Kiyo Starmer. If you thought his position was precarious, it
gets more and more precarious by the by the week,
it would appear there's more pressure on him because one
of the biggest unions in the UK is now considering

(05:13):
splitting away from Labor. This is the Unite Union, and
senior officials are reportedly and talks about whether to call
an emergency conference to vote on formal disaffiliation from the
Labor Party. And it's basically because of Kios Starmer. And
if you know that, you know the history of the
unions and the modern you know the current situation with
unions and the Labor Party. Breaking apart is a very
difficult thing for these guys to do and only done

(05:33):
in the most serious of situations, so it must be one.
So also say there is intense frustration with Kiis Starmer
and some Labor MPs believe Unite support can only be
won back with a change of party leader. Water Surprise
thirteen Pas six, the.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
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Speaker 10 (05:55):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Hey, if you're like me and you're hanging out for
twenty twenty six to actually be the year of recovery.
Good news asb has just joined the queue of people
or banks who say yep, where we're in for it.
We're gonna have a chat to Nick Toughley asb's chief
economist after half past. It's quarter past six right now,
and Greeg Smith of Generators with us. Hello, Greg, Hello Heather. Okay,

(06:18):
So finally we've got this Netflix Warner Brothers deal announced.

Speaker 11 (06:21):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I mean, is this going to get over the line?

Speaker 12 (06:23):
Gods showtime isn't it? And you know, I think the
regulars are going to have this sort of work cut out.
But you what have we got the buying them for
seventy two billion. They've bet at rivals, Comcast, impairments, Skydounce,
the movie studio had actually put itself up for sale.

Speaker 13 (06:36):
So what do they get.

Speaker 12 (06:37):
The get Harry Potter and Game of Thrones and all
those amazing franchises. They also get HBO Max, a streaming service,
and that's going to be pretty interesting one for regulars.
It'll take Netflix as total subscribers to four hundred and
fifty million worldwide. There's a few things to get this
over the line.

Speaker 13 (06:54):
They reckon.

Speaker 12 (06:54):
They can squeeze out two to three billion in cost savings,
not surprising the unions. They're not happy, girl. They want
the merger block that we can destroy jobs. Cinema owners
of course, they're worried too. They think it's an unprecedented
threat to theatus. I mean, we've had that anyway, haven't we.
But your Netflix are trying to calm the farm. They're
promising that Warner Brothers films are still going to hit

(07:15):
the cinemas and the studio can still keep selling shows
to other broadcasters. But yeah, I think there's a few
big questions here, particularly monopoly concerns here. They we've got
the number one streamer swallowing a major arrival and a
top studio, So yeah, what's that going to mean for consumers?
Do we hodantly get more choice but pay higher prices?

(07:35):
The Trump administration they've weighed in as well. They've said
that they've got healthy skepticism towards the deal. So yeah,
it's not a sure thing. This just gets over the line. Obviously,
implications for us in New Zealand as well. We don't
have HBO Max as such, but we do get that
content if you're a Sky TV subscriber. So that deal
expires next year and benu to see how Netflix reacts,

(07:58):
you know, will they keep things as they are or
they bring that sort of content in house as well,
So time will tell in any case. Looking at on
the investor reaction, one brother shears are up six percent,
netflix three percent lower preps on the short term concern
that's overpaid. In any event, this could change the entire
script for the industry.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Toheaver, yeah, it is fascinating.

Speaker 14 (08:17):
Stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Doesn't talk me through the inflation and what you reckon
the Fed's going to do in the US.

Speaker 12 (08:22):
Yeah, it looks like they're going to cut eighty seven
percent probability now according to markets, it's a dramatic jump
from a few weeks ago. So we had their favorite
inflation gauge out on Friday. This is the personal consumption
expensures in the exit the headline leve all moved that
to two point eight percent. That's the highest since April.
But in terms of what they actually care about, that's
core PC. That called to two point eight percent as well,

(08:44):
and that was low in the markets expected a month
or month it was point three percent for headline, point
two percent for core, so Ji was a big mover
stripped that out. Things weren't looking so bad last major
inflationary before Wednesday's meeting, so a rate cut looks lockdown
also comes as well, hether with US consumers I suppose,
having weathered the storm of high rates pretty well. So

(09:06):
the report showed that personal consumption outlays they rose seventy
billion income rows zero point four percent. And there's also
another release which showed that confidence is lifting, So University
of Michigan Centerment Index that came in better than expected.
I suppose the government shut down that ending probably helped
also lower inflation expectations, lower sleeves levels since January four

(09:28):
point one percent on a one uview, three point two
percent on a five year outlook. So those pesky tariffs
have you to have an impact on prices in the
way many had fared. And that's a tick in the
box for the feed heather. So yeah, rake caut Wednesday
by Loocks good.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Stuff, food plight prices headed down in the right direction yet.

Speaker 12 (09:44):
Yeah talking in flat shops have been worried about food
prices for a long time, have we, But they're certainly
abating globally. They fell again November according to the UN's
Food and Culture Organization, so one point two percent lower
than October, a mess of twenty two percent below. It's
March twenty two peak after the Ukraine invasion, so almost
everything fell dairy, meat, sugar, vegetables, only cereals.

Speaker 8 (10:07):
They are up.

Speaker 12 (10:08):
Sugar down six percent, that's the lowest it's late twenty twenty.
Things to strong harvests in Brazil and entire Land. We
know that dairy prices have been softening. Yes, they foil
three point one percent. That's the fifth consecutive fall, So
strong milk production here and in the EU. Meat prices
they age down point eight percent. Vegetables lower, cereals they
did rise, but breakfast lovers shouldn't fret too much. We've

(10:31):
got a huge wheat crop in Argentina and Ossie's on
track for its second largest wheat harvest as well. So yeah,
bear weather, prove supply chains and rising production. That's driving
down global food inflation and the big halves, of course
they're helping. Cereals are picking up a little bit. But
we've got other commodities of course, like copper that's still
pretty strong. Remind us of story that inflation isn't uniformly downwards,

(10:53):
but looking pretty good.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
All right, give us the numbers.

Speaker 13 (10:56):
So the Dow was up.

Speaker 12 (10:57):
Point two percent, full seven nine five four five rounded
up point two percent, sixty eight seventy nes deck up
point three percent, and two three five seven eight so
light thats inflation numbers. Foot see that was down point
eight percent in the UK, the Nickey down one point
one percent, A six two hundred uo point two percent
index fifty we were down point two percent, thirteen four

(11:18):
eighty three. Gold that was down ten dollars four thousand,
one hundred and ninety seven. Announced oil up forty one cents,
sixty spots spot oa in the currency markets fifty seven
point eight against the US was the Kiwi that was
absolutely eighty seven even against Ozzie that was down point
two percent. British pound forty three point three upsolutely Japanese
en a six point seven that was up point four

(11:38):
percent this week here locally, we've got visit arrivals, got
some manufacturing data for November and spending. We've got a
games Hellenstein's West Peck and Frontier I'm sure trying to
trade data, US job openings, and we've got the RBA
rate decision as well as the feed earnings. We've got
plenty of big tech names coming out Oracle, Adobe and Broadcom.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, good stuff great, Thanks very much, Enjoy the rest
of your day. That's Greg Smith to generate. And by
the way, the Netflix deal that Greg was just talking about,
We're gonna have a chat to Joe Flund of the
Wall Street Journal just to unpack what is going on
there and you know the chances that it will actually
get to pass. He's with us Quarterbus seven or so
six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
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Speaker 10 (12:19):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Listen. I sort of made mention of this at the
very start of the program, the RMA reform, and sounds
like we're going to get the RMA reform detail coming
out tomorrow. The journals are going to be pulled into
a lock up. It's a journo's and stakeholders. It's about
three hundred people. There's basically they're treating this like a
budget lockup.

Speaker 15 (12:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
They get all the people in the room and then
they feed them crummy food and they try to kind
of get them to absorb as much as they can
before so they start running their mouths off on radio
and television, print and stuff. I get they're gonna do
the same thing for the RMA tomorrow and then after
that shortly after that in the afternoon. I would imagine
early afternoon we'll get the details and we'll finally know
what we're gonna do with this terrible piece of legislation. Anyway,

(12:57):
our prime ministers with us later on might ask him
about that six twenty five, right, big week last week
for Pete. Do you know what? We got the gremlins?
It's not me, but we got the gremlins.

Speaker 14 (13:12):
Mate.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
This one isn't actually me either, is the what is it?
It's too complicated to go into everything. It's not either
of us.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Anyway, he's trending now. It was a big week last
week for Pete meigs Seth with the microscope on his
attacks right on the alleged drug smugglers out of Venezuela.
Higgs Seth was accused of war crimes for firing on
shipwrecked survivors to kill them, and then the Senator Mark
Kelly said he's a twelve year old playing army well.
Higgs Seth said that he doesn't remember the incident specifically
because of quote the fog of war, and reports say

(13:41):
the president is distancing himself from his Secretary of State
so s n L of course didn't. Saturday Night Live
didn't miss a chance to poke fun at him with
Colin Joss playing HeiG Seth during a press conference.

Speaker 11 (13:51):
Now listen up, as you probably read in some gay newspaper,
we're now at war with Venezuela.

Speaker 8 (13:57):
Have you got questions for me?

Speaker 11 (13:59):
Fine? And I'm a random fishing boat and fire away.
Is there any truth to the allegations that you ordered
a second strike to kill the survivors?

Speaker 13 (14:11):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (14:11):
First of all, that kind of cruel, heartless act has
no place in operation. Kill everybody second. I wasn't even
in the room when it happened. Okay, I was so
jacked up after the first strike I had to make
an emergency call to my sponsor. I'm sorry, a guy
a net at an anonymous meeting. If I was just
playing army, were there be eighty dead fishermen of NARCO

(14:32):
terrorists inventing Wheeler right now?

Speaker 8 (14:34):
Next question, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I mean, we would probably take a pollum with a SNL.
It's funny. I'll tell you what. Richard Arnold is going
to do the US for us shortly. There is obviously
heaps of pressure on Hikesith as a result of this,
So he'll talk us through those details and look, don't
stress out. But way MO doesn't recognize kids and school buses.

Speaker 16 (14:53):
So totally fine, no fluff, just facts and vs.

Speaker 10 (15:12):
Debate.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
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Speaker 17 (15:21):
Head, be well, your most right, Richard Arnold's going to
be with us shortly right now, twenty three away from seven.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Now, there is increasing confidence the next year really will
be better economically. I know we've been saying this for ages,
but it's going to be next year. Asb's latest corterly
economic forecast is out there, calling clear signs of recovery
in twenty six consumers spending up big ticket purchases, returning
interest rates easing off. Nick Tuffley is asb's chief economist
and with.

Speaker 12 (15:47):
Us morning, Nick, good morning.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I can give it to me out of one hundred
hour confident are you in this?

Speaker 14 (15:53):
Oh, let's say about about about an eighty Look you
never you never say never, but were the seeds of
there look like they are starting to really come through,
and we know there are a few things that will
give a bit more momentum next year as well.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
So what are you picking two and a half the
next year?

Speaker 14 (16:09):
Well, we've got growth picking up and heading over two
and a half percent for a period. And let's face
it that after the last three years of the economy
literally going nowhere, we've got a lot of spare capacity.
We do need the economy to actually grow faster than
what we call it. So it's sort of usual speed
limit of somewhere around about two percent.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Now do you I mean, we're saying it's going to
be two percent. Two and a half percent is one thing,
but are we actually going to feel it or is
it going to be you know, because at the moment
we're not feeling it in the cities while they're feeling
it in the regions. Are we all going to feel it?

Speaker 14 (16:40):
I think we'll feel it a lot more evenly, look
at it still has been quite patchy, just even in
retail spending where we've seen some really strong growth. It's
been in some of the big ticket, big ticket items.
But we are starting to see a turnaround in the
construction sector, particularly the residential is turned the corner after
falling quite a bit and Look, there is a lot
more cash that we will see more visibly coming through.

(17:03):
So we still have you know, a bit under half
of people on a mortgage and effect waiting to benefit
from the really low rates. And there is a lot
of cash that people have been earning in the dairy,
red meat, kiwi fruit sectors. There's some examples, and we'll
see more of that flow through to the regions around
the country.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Look at that half who are yet to refix on
the lower rates. When do they like, when is this
happening for them?

Speaker 14 (17:26):
Yeah, it has started to really sort of build up
now and when expect that by the middle parts of
next year a lot of the benefit will have started
to flow through. It's just because so many people are
picking a floating rate or a six month rate or
a one year rate over the last year or so,
that's kind of slowed down ironically the benefit for the economy.
But obviously it's given people a window to fix it

(17:49):
a much lower rate.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, HSBC, I had a chat to them on riter
they're picking us round actually the same as you two
and a half beating Australia at two point one. Would
you say that's about right? We're going to out before Australia.

Speaker 14 (18:01):
We've got a good chance. And hey, look we've got
some figures where we're hitting like about two point seven
percent on an annual average, just to sort of like
emphasis or a little bit ahead of Australia. But look,
we're in a bit of an upswing after a pretty
tough time Australia has they sort of chugged along. But
the biggest problem at the moment, and I've got interest
rates at probably a restrictive level, is the biggest problem
is that inflation has been creeping up again and their

(18:23):
economy did sail on through things a lot better than ours.
We have to we have to sort of really acknowledge that.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah too. Right, Hey listen, Nick, it's good to talk
to you. Thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of
your morning. Nick Tuley, ASP's chief economist. Listen, if you
were listening to Drive on Friday, you will have not
been surprised by what Andrew Costa said on Q and
A on Sunday, because I told you this is what
was going to happen, right that he was going to
go out there and he was going to say he
didn't do anything with Mark Mitchell's and emails, didn't interfere
at all, didn't have anything to do with him. On

(18:50):
top of that, the other allegation that he's made, which
is of the more serious ones, is that he reckons
that Mark Mitchell and Chris Hipkins, both of them police
ministers in order following each other successive police ministers, they
both knew about the GEVIMC skimming allegations earlier than they
say they did, and that he briefed them earlier. So
he reckons he brief Chippy all the way back in

(19:10):
twenty two, and he reckons he briefed Mark Mitchell much
earlier last year. That Mark Mitchell saying, which is about
the sixth of November not credible, says Andrew Costa, that
he was briefing him just in the last week of
his employment as the police commissioner. Anyway, Mark Mitchell is
going to be with us on this, and actually there's
questions about Mark Mitchell's timeline. I don't think serious, but
I'm gonna run you through them anyway, and then we'll
talk to Mitch after seven Right now nineteen to two, The.

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Speaker 1 (20:31):
Heather duplessy Ella.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Oh good grief, Heather. Your rapid roundup of the world
events just about had me throw my phone out the window.
You do realize half the country is up and just
watching the Formula one that was on early in the night.
It's fair point. It's on at two o'clock. Just made it,
by the way, and the phone safe. You're welcome. Spoiler it, okay,
So Robert wants a spoiler alert, so here's the spoiler it.
So for the next ten seconds, just la la la
la la la la la la. Okay. Liam Lawson eighteenth

(20:55):
and I'm telling you this because this is the final
F one race of the year. So that's the bow
on the thing and finished and done. He was hit
by a five second penalty, so no chance of a
time was actually apparently, I mean I'm saying apparently because
I don't watch the F one, you know, it's a
very particular person who does, Mike, So apparently he was
racing quite well and then the thing happened, and then
that happened, and yeah, so now we're over it, and

(21:16):
the spoiler alert has finished.

Speaker 10 (21:18):
Quarter two International Correspondence with Ends and Eye insurance, peace
of mind for New Zealand business should say.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Of course commentary Boxes of us after eight o'clock right now,
Richard Arnold, US correspondent to Richard, very good morning here. Yeah,
so more details about the second strike with hegset Yeah.

Speaker 19 (21:34):
It's ongoing. Hegscheth has skirted questions about releasing the video
of that controversial second boat strike off Venezuela. Critics have
caught that second strike against the two survivors of the
initial attack troubling, potentially a war crime. Hegseeth Now is
avoiding a clear response to questions about whether and second
strike video should be made public. Here's what he's.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Saying, reviewing the process and we'll see.

Speaker 19 (21:57):
I'll see that is different from what Trump was saying
about this just last week.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
I don't know what they have, but whatever they have
would certainly release no problem.

Speaker 19 (22:06):
Well, Higgsayth now is doubling down on his assertion that
the second strike was legal and necessary. Here's what he
is saying.

Speaker 8 (22:14):
I fully support that strike.

Speaker 20 (22:16):
I would have made the same call myself.

Speaker 19 (22:18):
It has also emerged in recent hours that this boat
was not even headed towards the US of A. It
was traveling southward Suriname, where it's believes that drugs would
eventually be headed to Europe or Africa, So it was
this a valid so called war target for the United States.
Republican Senator Tom Cotton argues that in his thinking.

Speaker 15 (22:36):
It was any boat loaded with drugs that is crewed
by associates and members of foreign terrorist organizations that are
trying to kill American kids, I think is a valid target.

Speaker 19 (22:48):
Many Democrats disagree, and even some Republicans like Senator Around Paula,
calling the entire operation of Venezuela illegal. Meantime, we're hearing
more about the twelve hours of testimony that this Admiral
Mitch Bradley gave him closed door sessions to lawmakers. He
says that US Intel had confirmed the identities of all
eleven people on the drug boat, so that's something we

(23:08):
hadn't heard before. The admiral says his orders from Hegseth
were to kill individuals on the approved target list. He
told lawmakers that while the first strike disabled the boat,
the two survivors were able to flip over part of
the wreckage, and that some bags of cocaine had not
been ejected by the first strike. The US attack teams
saw the survivors taking off their shirts to check they
had no wounds, and they say there was another larger

(23:30):
boat spotted in the area that the targeted boat was
supposed to link up with, but the admiral said the
larger boat was not on the approved U S target list. Meantime,
another Trump aid is in the spotlight right now. There
is growing talk that Homeland Security Chief Christie Nome could
be fired and replaced by outgoing Governor Glenn Youngkin. Nome
is dating former Trump aid Corey Lewandowski, and there is

(23:52):
concern about Lewandowski's growing role at that agency. Nome has
been trying to stay in Trump's good books by heaping
flattery on him, saying at a recent cabinet session that
this was a mild hurricane season and telling Trump quote,
you kept the hurricanes away. We appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, okay, well anybody would, now I can't. I mean,
it seems to me it's obviously a problem if WEIMO
doesn't recognize kids and school buses.

Speaker 19 (24:16):
Yeah, yeah, it seems to be WEIMO is having this
new issue. The self driving taxi started service in San Francisco,
then they expanded onto La into Phoenix and to Austin
in Texas. So it's a couple of thousand of these
things on the streets right now, and they plan to
move into many US cities in the months ahead. Now,
this problem, these robo taxis have been scooting past school

(24:38):
buses when the buses have stopped to load and unload
the school kids. The law here is when the school
buses stopped, they put out the sign. Other drivers then
must halt as well so they don't accidentally run over
the kids. Well, the Weimos have not been doing this.
They just right on by. There have been nineteen documented
cases of this in Texas. It's happened also in Arizona.
So now Weimo has ordered a massive recall of the

(25:00):
software on these cars. That recall will get underway this week.
WEAMO official v Sha Nihilani saying, however, I.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Don't think people should expect perfection. What's really important, though,
is that we're learning from all the different scenarios that
we encounter. Perfection.

Speaker 19 (25:15):
Avoiding school kids seems like a key safety concerned, doesn't it.
So far no one has been killed.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, so far, yeah, Hey, thank you very much. Richard
really appreciated. Richard Arnold, US correspondent. Heither we're waiting to
hear how much Nikola Willis has borrowed this year. Will
she break her twenty twenty four record high amounts? Hmm, Yeah,
So this is going to be a thing. I don't
know if you're aware of this. Matthew Houghton spoke about
it last week in his column, but it's certainly got
a bit of attention from Frano Sullivan over the weekend

(25:42):
and her weekend column as well. Taxpayer's Union a kicking
off sometime this week, a campaign zeroing in on Nikola
Willis in much the same way as they zeroed in
on Grant Robertson for his big spending when he was
the Finance minister. It's friendly fire because the Taxpayers Union,
of they sit more on the right way if you're

(26:03):
looking at the spectrum to the right, so they're going
to come after one of their own basically in this
and friendly fire always hurts a lot more, doesn't it
then when it's you know, the kind of the usual
suspects having a crack at you, like Craig Greennie and
the Labor Party, et cetera. Anyway, talk to the Prime
Minister about it when he's with us after seven o'clock. Also,
the cops, I mean, life is just not getting much

(26:23):
easier for them. There is more trouble for the police
and the formal warnings. I don't know if you've kept
across this, but for the last four years there's been
real concern about the formal warnings. This is the if
the cops come around to here and they think that
you've been up to something no good, and then they
can't be bother taking ye to court. They'll just give
you a formal warning. It goes on the system and
you're kind of logged as having done the thing. Well,
it turns out now you actually have to accept complete responsibility,

(26:47):
like you have to say, yep, they did bad, and
then they give you the formal warning if you even
contested at all, If you're like, nah, I didn't really
do that, they can't give you a formal warning and
to have to have evidence as well to prove it,
so that doesn't seem like they've been doing that. Thousands
of formal warnings and it can mark up your life
job wise, So thousands of formal warnings are going to
be wiped. We'll talk to defense lawyer John Monroe about
what a stuff up this actually is. After seven nine

(27:08):
Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Heather Duplessy Allen on the mic asking Breakfast, we're the
defender and news togs dead b.

Speaker 6 (27:16):
Hither.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I actually don't trust any of the players and the
mcskimming cost to saga. All are running around trying to
justify themselves. Have to be blind not to see us
through it. Well, all I've got a reason to do
what they're doing right, and it generally comes down to politics. Anyway.
We'll talk to Mike Mitchell about it and then the
Prime Minister later on. There is now a case I
don't know if you've seen this, but there's a case
of an AI generated picture causing some proper disruption in
the UK. So they had a bit of a quake

(27:37):
last week across Lancashire in the Southern Lake district, and
shortly afterwards the officials over there were drawn, had had
their attention drawn to the damage on a bridge in
Lancaster and there was a photograph that was doing the
rounds of this particular bridge with all the brickwork coming
down and the railing down, and you could not drive
a train over that knowing it would be safe, so basic,
it looked reasonably major. So as a result, they called

(27:58):
off the rail service as they shut them down for
an hour and a half, sent the dudes out there
looked on the bridge trying to figure out if it's
totally fine, not a brick out of place, complete hoax.
So that's cool from the AI. Isn't at five away
from seven all the.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Ins and the outs. It's the bears with business fiber
take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
So the results from Beavana in Wellington show that New
Zealand can really put on a good event and businesses
in the economy benefit exponentially from it. We are looking
at Wellington specifically here because this is the Wellington on
a Plate and the Beavana festivals, and they apparently brought
in ten million dollars for what is loosely described as
the culinary capital. Now that came from ticket sales, the

(28:40):
ten million ticket sales, food sales, accommodation costs and other
retail spending. But here's the really encouraging part. So out
of town visitor spending was up forty four percent in
September at venues that had been involved in the festivals.
Especially those that were involved in the finals and some
of the food competitions, proving that if you provide quality,
even in downtimes, you will do well. Now that's Mike's

(29:02):
argument obviously, and in particular it was the burger. It
was the burgers. So they did the Burger Festival in August.
People who were in the Burger Festival and did well there,
Hunters went to try the mountains, came from out of town.
Try the mountain in September and if you have, you've
had the burgers there, highly recommend. Now, this is the
problem with the Costa with Mark Mitchell's timeline, right, So

(29:24):
Costa claims that Mark Mitchell knew about Jemick Skimmings affair
earlier than Mitch's admitting. Mitch says that he found out
on six November last year. Costa says it was earlier
this year. But now there are questions about even what
Mark is saying, which is six November, because the IPCA
told the Public Service Commission, who were the public you know,
the bosses of the public servants. IPCA told the Public

(29:45):
Service Commission on the fourteenth of October, who immediately told
Mark Mitchell. So Mark Mitchell might have known about it
three weeks earlier than what he's saying. We'll have a
chat to him. It was all getting very complicated. A
but still he said, she said, isn't it anyway? Talked
to Mark Mitchell about that shortly News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Asking the questions others won't Heather Duplessy Allen on the Mike,
asking breakfast with Veda, Retirement Communities, Life your Way, News togs,
there'd be good.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Morning to you. Former Police Commissioner Andrew cost has finally
given his version of events in an interview on Q
and A. He says he never interfered with emails going
into Police Minister Mark Mitchell's office, and he says both
Mark Mitchell and former police Minister Chris Hopkins knew about
the allegations earlier than they were admitting, and Mark Mitchell,
the police Minister's with us right now, high.

Speaker 21 (30:41):
Mitch Hey, good warning, Heather.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Andrew Costa says he did not interfere with the women's
emails coming into your office. Is he wrong?

Speaker 21 (30:48):
Police have confirmed that that protocol wasn't put in place,
and it was put in place by the Commissioner's office,
and it's unfathomable to think that he didn't know about that.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
So it wasn't put in place by him. It was
put in place by somebody else in his office, right
in his office.

Speaker 22 (31:02):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Why is it impossible to believe that he didn't know
about that?

Speaker 21 (31:06):
Well, it's his office and the most senior people in
the organization and he's somehow and they were diverting email
traffic from the minister and he didn't know about it.
It just doesn't seem credible.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I mean, do you know about everything that happens in
your office?

Speaker 21 (31:23):
I like to think that I do. I like to
think that if there's any serious matters, and certainly if
there was a if anyone in my office was doing
anything that related to the Commissioner's office, and I'd expect
to be fully briefed on it, know about it, and sign.

Speaker 23 (31:36):
Off on it.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Now he also says that he told you earlier last
year than you're saying you were told you say, six
of November, he says earlier. Is he wrong?

Speaker 21 (31:45):
There is just there's just absolute utter nonsense. So let
me put some context around this for you. Is that
the first time that I became aware of Miss c
that she even existed, was on the sixth of November,
when Andrew Costa didn't voluntarily come and brief me, he
was told by the PSC to come and brief me

(32:05):
on the situation between mc skimming and Miss C, which
he did. I won't tell you what my response to
him when he briefed me, but I did not buy
or swallow the narrative that was given to me that
Mick Skimming was a victim. I immediately called a meeting
with PSC and the solst of the General the following
day to bring forward my concerns around the welfare of

(32:27):
Miss C. I am a father of two daughters and
I have been a local MP for fifteen years and
part of my role is protecting people against the power
of the state when they put up against it, and this,
to me was a clear example of that, and I
pushed as far and when as hard as I could
as a minister to make sure that Miss C was

(32:48):
actually being looked after.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
What made you skeptical about the yarn? The version of
the yarn he was telling you.

Speaker 21 (32:54):
Well, it's I didn't You've got a so you've got
a deputy commission that centered into extra mariital affair where
there's a big age difference where there's a massive power
and balance where he created a job for a young woman,
then she gets discarded and then she's sort of bucking
up against the power of the state. I mean, how
could they not see what the issues lying there were?
But it's quite simply the narrative was poor jebbam at

(33:17):
skimming had an extra marital affair. Now this young lady
is harassing him. Well, why how did she get to
that position? Why was there a degradation in her mental health?
I mean, why did they not ask these simple questions?
And like I said to my father, I've been involved
in public safety and protecting those and looking after those
that can't protect themselves for most of my adult life.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Listen it.

Speaker 21 (33:38):
How could they not see it?

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Your timeline, though, has been questioned because when the PSA,
when the IPCA talks to the PSA about it, the
PSA gets in touch with your office and tells you, guys,
this is happening. That was October fourteen earlier than you say.

Speaker 21 (33:52):
Yeah, that wasn't time, That wasn't any information in relation
to skimming on with se at all. That was quite
simply saying that there's a probity check underway on the
appointment of a temporary Commissioner and the ipcid flag to
the PSC, which is the right thing to do during
a probity check that they had some information there that
they were assessing and they come back to the PSC
and inform them of any further action, if any was

(34:14):
going to be taken. And the PSC informed me of that,
which is the correct thing to do. But I didn't
have any I didn't know the nature of the complaint.
I didn't know any of the details around it. The
PSC came back to the IPCA, came back to the
PSC on the sixth of November and said there is
now an investigation underway. And the PSC then did the
right thing. They came to me. They went to Andrew

(34:35):
Costa and they told Andrew Costa, you need to go
and brief the minister. Costa didn't come forward voluntarily to
brief me. He was instructed by PC to brief me.
And that is when I found that, so just let
me finish. That's when I found out about the existence
of the C and that's when I found out about
the relationship between skimming and miss C. And the following

(34:55):
day is when I called a meeting with PSC and
Solicitor General to bring forward my concern.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
All right, Rich, listen, thank you so much, good time,
We have to leave it there, just out of time.
That's March's Police Minister, twelve past seven together for the
Unfortunately it's doo key coming from police for police. It's
now been revealed that thousands of formal warnings are set
to be wipe from police records because officers haven't followed
proper protocol for years now. Formal warnings are basically used
to avoid going to court, but there is a record.

(35:21):
John Monroe's a defense lawyer and with us.

Speaker 22 (35:23):
Morning, John, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Are you surprised to hear that as many as sixty
seven percent of these maybe no non compliant and may
have to be wiped?

Speaker 22 (35:31):
I'm very surprised. Why surprised? Well, it's a pretty simple process.
It's similar workin to the diversion process, which we already
have as well. But it's simply taking an allegation to
a person and making it sure they accept it before
and accept responsibility for it before they've give them the warning.

(35:52):
And it sounds to me that that's what hasn't been done.
I'm not entirely sure, but by reading between the lines,
I think that's what's been done correctly, is that they
haven't got acceptance from all of these people prior to
giving them a formal warning.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
How many do you think might have been issued here?
I mean, I know, we know it's thousands, but thousands
is a very big range.

Speaker 22 (36:13):
Looks it's a difficult one to put a figure on it.
But it's a very common practice and which's been ongoing
for some time, similar to the diversion scheme, and a
lot of low order offenses are dealt with in this
way so they don't have to go through and clog
up the courts.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
What's your advice to people if they get if the
cops say to them they might give them a formal warning.

Speaker 22 (36:34):
Resist, No, No, It really depends on the situation. But
if you have had a situation where they're giving you
a formal warning and you accept it, much like diversion,
then I tell them to accept it and it's much
better than going through the court system and having a
conviction on your record. But of course I've had situations

(36:56):
also where the police want to give them a warning
and say, look, it's all fine at all, go away
and you'll get a warning, but they don't accept responsibility,
and I say, no, we're not going to accept it
and either take it through the court so we can
prove his innocence and show that he's innocent, or go away.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Basically, John, thanks very much, really appreciate it. As John
Monroe defense lawyer. We'll talk to the Prime Minister who's
going to be with us in about twenty minutes or
so about that. Right now, fourteen past seven, ever, already
get in complaints about that RMME reform I've been telling
you about this morning hasn't even been unveiled. Dead lawyers
are now complaining they are not going to have enough
time to make submissions because the RMA detail is going

(37:35):
to be given to us tomorrow. Now, generally what happens
is once you've got the detail, you've got about six weeks,
and in that six weeks you've got to do your
written submission. And written submissions are reasonably involved, they take
a fair bit of work. You've got to get the
lawyers in, and the lawyers are not happy because if
we start the clock from tomorrow, six weeks is up
when sort of mid mid to late ish January, and yes,

(37:57):
still going to be in Parlaanui. Aren't you at the batch?
So you're going to be sitting there doing it. Sitting
there and yet with the cricket on in your shorts
doing your submission on the RMA doesn't sound like a
fun summer holiday anyway. Well ask Look, well we're having
a discussion, aren't we, about whether our summer holidays are
too long? And this would suggest maybe they are. We'll
see if the Prime ministerore do or one off and

(38:17):
extend it. So with us shortly quarter.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Past the Hi asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 2 (38:27):
Heather Whise the media taking costs lined with this mess
and not the ministers you included You know what, Mark,
I don't think. I don't think the media are but
we'll deal with that, and me included. I think we'll
deal with that in just the tickets eighteen past seven now,
massive news out of Hollywood in just the last few days.
Netflix has agreed to acquire Warner Brothers Studios that includes
HBO Max in a deal that's worth about one hundred
and twenty five billion New Zealand dollars if it goes through.

(38:50):
It's subject to regulatory approval, and if it goes through,
it's going to make Netflix the biggest screen powerhouse on
the planet. Joe Flint is the media and entertainment reporter
for The Wall Street Journal and with Morning Joe, Are there? Okay, Joe,
I'm here right, Thank you? Is this if this goes through,
is this that the streaming walls are over? Netflix is

(39:11):
the king?

Speaker 18 (39:13):
Well it's funny because yeah, generally Wall Street and Hollywood
already felt Netflix was the king. So yes, if this
goes through, not only are they the king, but they've
probably extended their reign by one hundred years or so. Yeah,
it's a huge deal, huge implications in Hollywood, Wall Street
for consumers. Obviously, as you mentioned, there will be a

(39:34):
pretty tough regulatory battle for them, but they feel very
confident that they will ultimately get this deal through Washington.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Do you think the response from Netflix is now that
they've got all the really good stuff on their like
Succession and White Lotus and whatever, that they push their
price up.

Speaker 18 (39:50):
Well, of course they will argue that ultimately this will
be good for consumers because they've indicated that they want
to keep HBO going as a separate brand. And they
will bundle it with Netflix and that will lower the
costs for consumers. But of course that's the kind of
thing you say when you're trying to curry favor to
get a deal through. But ultimately, I've yet to see

(40:13):
the merger that really, ultimately is all that beneficial to consumers.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
So you know, wait and see.

Speaker 18 (40:19):
But they're saying all the right things now.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, and doesn't impact the way that they play out
the Warner stuff in the theaters, because that's not really
neat a Netflix's wheelhouse, is it.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
No.

Speaker 18 (40:29):
Netflix has been adamantly against the theatrical business. Now, they
will tell you it's not that they're anti movie theaters.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
It's that their.

Speaker 18 (40:37):
Anti long gaps of time between when a movie is
in a theater before it hits the streaming marketplace, and
that they're perfectly fine with putting movies in theaters, but
they want them on their service, you know, pretty close
to the same time. But they have said that they
will honor Warner Brothers existing theatrical agreements. And again, what

(40:59):
that means going forward when it's up to them to
greenlight movies and make movies, will see what happens there.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, Joe thanks so much, mate, Joe Flint. Wall Street Journal,
Media and Entertainment Report is going to have implications obviously
back home here because the guys who have the HBO content,
the Warner content is Neon Sky TV so all, and
they've got all the good stuff, the Game of Thrownes,
the White Lotus, the Sopranos, the Succession, the Last of Us,
all of that stuff all's going to come off there
presumably and go on to Netflix. And I don't know,

(41:26):
do you keep your Neon account if that stuff's off
and it's over at Netflix. Seven twenty one, The.

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(42:45):
their criminal behavior. Maybe now they'll be allowed to do
their jobs. Lance glass half full way of looking at
it seven twenty four. Now, with that Q and a interview,
Andrew Costa can probably say that he's calm down. The
hysteria a little bit. By giving his version of events
would does make it all seem slightly less scandalous, doesn't it.
I mean, I don't think though, that this has restored
him to being the good guy in the story, if

(43:07):
that's what he was wanting. Because he had no smoking gun,
there was no single piece of evidence to prove his story,
no piece of evidence to implicate everyone else, even though
he tried to implicate everyone else. All he gave us
was a he said, she said? At best, he said
he told the police Minister Chris Hopkins and the now
police Minister Mark Mitchell yonks Ago. They said he didn't.
It's up to you to decide who you believe.

Speaker 6 (43:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
The problem I got a text before saying that we're
all buying into Costa's narrative. Not so much. Costa's problem
is that he's too clever for his own good. Thinks
he's being really clever with his words often isn't. Just
look at the text message he sent the people looking
at appointing mc skimming to the Commissioner's job. When they
asked whether any outstanding allegations or investigations, his text basically
telling them not to worry was so cleverly and carefully

(43:49):
worded it had the effect of misleading him, of misleading them. Now,
short of some new revelation, I'd say that this is
the end of Costa's redemption attempt. It's two weeks before Chris.
Most of us are now more worried about buying and
wrapping gifts and getting away on holiday than we are
about spending time weighing up who's more likely to be
telling the truth here. No one's going to go into
bat for Costa, neither Labor nor National because he's trying

(44:11):
to implicate both of them in it, Mitchell and Hipkins,
And who wants to be on the side of the
guy who was on the side of the guy who
had kiddy porn on his computer. Now, sure, by giving
us his side of the story, he's made it less
bad for himself. It was a lot more scandalous when
we thought Costa was hiding emails from Mark Mitchell. It's
a lot less scandalous when we hear it with someone
else in his office and he didn't know about it.
So he's made himself slightly less of a villain. But

(44:33):
has he made people feel sorry for him and want
him back in the public service. I don't think so,
Heather do to see Ellen King, ja oh do I
want to yep? Listen. I'm gonna have to tell you
Lando Norris right, because Lando Norris is one. It's his
first F one championship. Actually very interesting family. So I'm
going to tell you about that when I get a
chance in the next half hour before the commentary box.

(44:53):
After eight, King Charles and the Queen have unveiled their
Christmas card for twenty twenty five. It's informal. It was
taken on the occasion I think of their wedding anniversary,
twentieth wedding anniversary. Just to pict it just looks like
an elderly couple strolling through a beautiful garden. She's he's
got a beautiful pin stripe suit on. She's got a
little white dress. Not little, obviously it's appropriate for her age.

(45:16):
It's a white dress, got her arm linked through his,
and they're smiling for the camera, beautiful gardens behind them.

Speaker 8 (45:22):
Just sort of a selfie, is it?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
It's yeah, what is the selfie taken by somebody that's
not quite that informal. It's not our level of informal.
It seys on the inside, wishing you a very happy
Christmas in New Year. Can I just say, controversially, I'm
still a merry Christmas girl. You do me, yep, do
the merry, don't worry about the happy. He's his next.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Tough on power, sharp on inside, Heather Dupa see Allen
on the mic, asking breakfast with the Defender, embraced the
impossible news togs.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
They'd be all right, we've got the commentary box with
us after eight o'clock, but of course twenty three away
from mate Christopher Luxen, Prime minister in studio with us.

Speaker 17 (46:00):
Chris, Hello, good morning here. They good to see you're
working costumes on holiday. They're hustling still, it's look great.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
We need to talk about long summer holidays and we're
definitely going to get to that. I just need to
talk about Andrew Cross. Did you watch the Q and
A interview?

Speaker 17 (46:10):
No, I didn't, but I did see some of the
media reporting on it, and yeah, I think the bottom
line is lok. The IPCA came through a pretty clear
finding which was a pretty appalling behavior. I think he's
done the right thing.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Do you think I mean it is a bit of
a he said? She said with the allegations that he's
leveled it at Mark Mitchell and Chris Hopkins, But I
wonder if he made a point where he felt things
were a little unfair where the IPCA report didn't find
a cover up or corruption, and yet ministers went out
and basically said that.

Speaker 17 (46:40):
Yeah, I think, I mean, there's no doubt there was
no mention of corruption at all. I might be really clear.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
About that because that's a really legal, legally.

Speaker 17 (46:47):
To find word. I think the reality was it was
pretty appalling what happened, and there was an abject failure
of leadership at the top, and the IPCA was pretty
crystal clear around that. That was pretty confronting, pretty shocking, appalling,
I think for the government to receive, but also for
the public to hear about as well.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Did you go and talk to humanisters about why they
were going so hard and why they took what was
not a cover up finding, not a corruption finding and
then escalated it to that.

Speaker 17 (47:10):
Well, as I said, you know, Mark immediately withdrew those remarks,
butt Mitchell's addressed that. I mean the issue settled for me.
I mean, the big thing for me is just remember
there's a young woman at the heart of this there's
actually someone who's done some serious wrongdoing, and it's actually
really important that we face up to that and we
bring that out and we put some light on it,
and we call it for what it is and are

(47:30):
transparent about it. And now we've got to do two things.
We've got to move on very clearly with the police
Commissioner today to make sure we reinstate high levels of
trust and integrity and standards are important and he understands
that and he's doing a good job around that. And
the second thing is we've got to make sure that
we put this in places inspect to general for police.
I have an inspected General as Minister of Intelligence, you
know that oversights the intelligence agencies. We do something similar

(47:54):
in defense. That's the strongest possible statutory mechanism we can find.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
What about cost to himself? Does he have a future
in the public service? Do you think? I mean, there's
obviously him trying to redeem himself here.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (48:03):
Look I don't know. I mean, yeah, by his own admission,
he just got his judgments wrong, right.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
So you're open to having him back.

Speaker 17 (48:09):
No, No, I'm not saying it's not something I've consider
it because the bottom line is what I'm focused on
is actually you know that there's no doubt about it.
Police have taken a hit in terms of trust and reputation.
I feel badly for the fifteen thousand men and women
are actually the police force have been tarnished by the
behavior of a few. I don't think that's very fair
and as a result, I want to make sure that
they sort it out.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
You haven't promised him any future jobs over here? No, okay,
now what are we going to do about these police
formal warnings?

Speaker 13 (48:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (48:33):
Look, I mean that's a good example where you've seen
a new police commissioner come out and actually, you know,
talk to these issues. And it's important that the systems
obviously capturing them. But it's pretty sloppy.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Do they need to stop issuing them?

Speaker 17 (48:44):
Well again they they need to obviously complete paperwork and
do it the right way. Otherwise and that's about standing.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
You can see how this is open to abuse. Say
like if you were a copper and you go up
to somebody and you say, I'm going to give you
a formal warning and the person says, like, I don't
accept that I've done anything wrong. They could just issue
the formal warning anyway how we've ended up in the situation.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (49:01):
Look, I mean, yeah, we had an issue you know,
a month or so ago around you know, people not
doing police officers not filling in drunk driving. Yeah, forms
as well, you know all process, probably false registration of
drunk driving stopovers. So I mean, look, all of this
stuff just says to me. You know, it's great, it's
good that there's actually been talked about. It's good that
it's out there. But you know, the challenge for the

(49:23):
police commissioner has been the job eleven months, frankly, and
I think has done a very good job of placing
his executive and sitting standards a team.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
He's doing please college, all that good stuff. He's doing
the new broom thing. But do you think we need
to get rid of the formal warnings?

Speaker 17 (49:35):
No, necessarily. I just think they need to be you know,
process needs to be properly followed as it has been.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
You worried about this taxpayer's union campaign that's going to
be launched against Nichola Willis.

Speaker 17 (49:44):
I haven't seen it. I would find it very unusual
that a taxpayers union would want to advocate for a
labor led government with a radical economic agender, a taxi
speed or more. Wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I love that from you. I don't think that's what
they're doing. What they're doing is they're saying she's spending
too much, taking on too much. She's out sped ending
Grant Robertson. That's remarkable.

Speaker 17 (50:01):
No, Look, she's doing a fantastic job. I mean, she
has inherited a hell of a mess, the worst recession
in thirty five years.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Why not tidy big COVID.

Speaker 17 (50:09):
Hang of she is tidying it up, and we are
tidying it up. You know, you look at if you
go back and yeah, it's interesting. I've heard you say,
oh you just get rid of the Pacific people sort
of classic.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Or whatever is my problem.

Speaker 17 (50:20):
But on the other hand, then yeah, we've got some
pretty We've got to find billions of dollars. And you know,
let's just look at it. If you look at the
growth and government spending, there are actually half of it's
tied into health and welfare, welfare and superannuation. Actually twenty
five percent of it's actually in health, and the other
balance is actually in education, where we've put a bunch

(50:40):
of investment in, and also in financial.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Proven up though, I mean cut the women's men a
few million. That's rubbish. Now that's the third year interest,
you know, the free year that we pay for the students.

Speaker 17 (50:52):
If you're mucking around with single millions of dollars or
tens of millions of dollars we're talking about and I
love that, But save the pennies you gave us, Chris,
Let's be clear, you gave us a huge amount of grief.
You know about pay equity, right, we supported that program
at three billion dollars, name checking me, Pipkins there went
bananas and actually went into the cabinet and actually blew
it out. The thirteen billion. There's ten billion dollars worth

(51:15):
of difference. And when we face up and say, look
the system's unworkable and unaffordable, what happens? You go bananas
alas on it.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
That's such a croc. I did not. I thought it
was the right thing to do. No, listen, seriously, you
thought it.

Speaker 17 (51:25):
Was it right to spend another ten billion dollars over
what was planned and that's the compensation.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I thought you guys did was the right thing to do.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
It was.

Speaker 17 (51:31):
I'm illustrating that that's the stuff you've got to do.
But eastually you also will say to me, oh, I
don't believe in actually lifting the superannuation age from sixty five.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
To sixty seven.

Speaker 17 (51:40):
Well in there fifty percent of your costs and superannuation
and welfare.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, well that's a very long con a very long argument.

Speaker 17 (51:46):
I can hash back on you on that one, because
I think you should reconsider that. No, you should, because
I will. Here's two thousand and one. They lifted it
to sixty five, and that twenty five years. The every
Shuzell and mail is living four years longer. So why
can't we left it two years?

Speaker 12 (51:59):
Chris?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
I'm happy for you lift the pension age, but I
want to see you tidy up the finances first, right,
and cut the nonsense. Cut the women's ministry. We don't
need it. Women are going toe to toe with the
boys at the moment. Cut things like paying free education
for third years tertiary students. They don't need it.

Speaker 13 (52:15):
Now.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
When you tidy all that up, then I'll go sweet
aut sixty seven.

Speaker 17 (52:19):
But if you're in our position, there's sort of three
courses of action, right, So I mean, first we can
carry on with the spare more tax more, borrow more
of labor, and that just punches the problem out to
our kids and our grandkids not going to work equally.
What you're sort of advocating for, you know, and is
that you can go for a super hard austerity and
actually that causes huge amounts of pain and suffering to
you know, lower middle income working news islenders. What we're

(52:39):
doing is actually finding the middleway through, which is say, look,
actually we've taken forty four billion dollars where the savings
out of the back office. We've made serious investments and
you know, nurses, doctors, education, corrections, all of that good stuff.
But it's no different from what Key had. If you
think about Key in twenty ten, at the end of
that cycle, you know, you had expenditure of or crown

(53:00):
core current expenditure at thirty four percent of GDP. We're
at thirty three percent today. It was year and year
out discipline.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Ran zero budgets, right, Nicola, And you have not run
any zero budgets. You've increased on Grant Robertson's spending. And
while I take your point that austerity is hard, so
is debt, which is going basically tell me about it.

Speaker 17 (53:20):
I divide a nine to ten billion dollar interest bill
the other day, and that's five hospitals.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Take it to forty five billion dollars worth of yourselves.

Speaker 17 (53:27):
But what we're doing is actually making sure that we
actually over a number of years, you do this over
a number of years, as Key in English did. It
was discipline over a number of years to make sure
that you actually get yourself back.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
For getting ahead of our skis. Because this is really
next week's chap once the Taxpayers Union come out.

Speaker 17 (53:42):
Listen, I don't think, I mean, I wouldn't understand why
they'd want to come out, given they wouldn't want to
advocate for a labor led government and the madness and
the radical, radical economic agenda.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Did you see this chap Toss Brumley complaining that our
summer holidays are too long? And do you agree with him? Well,
I got to be honest. For Poe Mike Hosking being
holiday for seven weeks.

Speaker 17 (54:01):
Four months a year, I think that is isn't it
like three hours a day?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Lawyers are complaining that that that the RMA reform in
the six weeks that they need for written submissions is
over summer and it's just not long enough. Would you
extend it for them because they need to know.

Speaker 17 (54:14):
No, I mean that's a decision for the Select Committee.
But no, we don't people. Yeah, none. You can get
your submissions in over Summer's fine.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Do you think our summer holidays are too long? And
it worked in the States?

Speaker 17 (54:23):
Well, look, I mean I just I spent most of
my career working overseas for sixteen years, as you know,
and in the US you maybe get two weeks and
you'll leave holiday a year and Christmas is a couple
of days off and then you're back at it again
and your financial year ends always December thirty one. So
I've always been used to going back to work on
the third or fourth of January, and that's probably what
I'll do this year.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah, And so it's it's taking a bit of getting used.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
To, is it.

Speaker 17 (54:43):
Well, it's just like, yeah, we've got a lot to
sort out, we've got a lot to do, and we've
got to keep moving.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Hey, just before you go, how good was that ASB
prediction for next year?

Speaker 6 (54:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (54:52):
Really encouraging. I mean there's actually been a number of
really good things coming through and it's lovely to hear
the media talking about them finally, which is great, and
so we you look at the business confidence, you look
at farmer confidence, you look at you know, tourism outlook
for the summer. What's happening. So it's coming. I know
it's been tough and it's been difficult, but in a
two year period to actually wrestle your way out of

(55:12):
the mess that we're in the cool thing. And this
is Nerdville for you. But I was really happy with
the trade balance is for the first time come back
from eighteen billion deficit, that we're now exporting more stuff
to the world than we're importing from the world. And
that's a good sign.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Look, I'm happy to call that. That is quite nerdy,
but then again, that's the job. Chris listen, thanks for
coming in. I really appreciate it. And urderous. Today it's
Chris Lux and the Prime Minister. It's thirteen away from eight.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
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Speaker 10 (55:40):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Hither. The difference between Willis and Robertson is that Willis
actually gets results to show for her spend what a
grant deliver. Hither, the spending is not the issue, it's
what you spend. It on for example, spending money to
fix a leaking roof is wise rather than buying a
big TV screen. Peter, Look, I think that is an
that is a one hundred percent fair irrelevant, isn't it?
Because I mean, go back and read any of the
books that are out at the moment. The unauthorized biography

(56:04):
of Justinda just Indo, his own biography grants autobiography. And
when you go back and read the numbers in terms
of the money that they will blow, it's just mind
blowing that we allowed ourselves to kind of be okay
with that, and then when you think about the results
that we've gotten nothing for it, it's quite wild. Heather,
a dollar is still a dollar, so you know you've

(56:24):
got to start by saving one dollar. Like Heather said,
look after the pennies and the pounds. WI look after
themselves here the lux and needs to be assertive like that.
With Hosking, that was a great interview. Actually I have
to agree with that.

Speaker 12 (56:34):
He did.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
He did come out punching, didn't he, which was quite
nice from him. Now I need to talk to you
about Lando Norris because of course, as we say, he's
won the f one. Interesting family. Dad is a chap
called Adam Norris. If he's an entre If you're into business,
you might actually have come across him before. In terms
of reading about him. He's an entrepreneur. He's regularly cited
as one of Britain's wealthiest men. His net worth is

(56:56):
estimated to be somewhere in the vicinity of like north
of two hundred million pounds, so he's got a fair
chunk of change. Their bank accounts a little full. He
made his money by building up one of the UK's
most successful pension companies, Hargraves lands Down took a public
retired at thirty six. How about that a retired at
thirty six and then he founded Pure Electric, which is

(57:18):
now the world's number one electric scooter brands. The chances
are you got a Pure Electric somewhere around you and
he's responsible for it. Anyway, he's the one who basically
he wanted to drive himself, didn't have a chance to drive.
God his sons into driving. There was two of them,
Oliver and Lando, and then Oliver dropped out. He's the
elder one dropped out because his little brother was beating
him all the time. So you would now the people
who moan about Lando Norris moan that of course rich

(57:39):
daddy got him everything he needed right new tires, exclusive
track time, a manager and a trainer since the age
of twelve. But having the best equipment doesn't make you
the best, does it. And one of his junior rivals,
this is Lando Norris's junior rival, says he worked really
hard and his work ethic was amazing and that probably
is the secret, isn't it. You can have all of
the equipment, Dad, can be as rich as you like,

(57:59):
but if you don't put the hard yards in, you're
going to go nowhere. Eight away from.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Mate, Heather Dullen on the My Asking Breakfast with Bailey's
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Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah, that we need to make key we say a
compulsory it's going to be a life changer all round. Back,
I could not agree with you more. And also the price, Yeah,
it does need to a it needs to be compulsory
as what the Australians are doing. But also see the
National Party is quite clearly going to go quite hard
on lifting the old retirement age to sixty seven at
the next election. Hither what do you think about cost
of taking up a phil Q and a. I thought

(58:30):
that was a good call. You think it was a
good call. It was, like somebody said to me over
the weekend, it was like a return to the good
old days of you know, the way that that current
Affairs used to be where you could really dig into things.
I mean, we can we can have a chat about
whether we think the interview was structured in the right
way and whether we spent too long trying to trying
to prove a I just wanted to know what his
version of events was like. I didn't need to prove
a corruption. I didn't need to see anyone prove that

(58:52):
it was corruption and sort of stitch them up on Telly.
So that was kind of a missed opportunity. I wanted
to know more about the detail from him of what
he thought happened. But nah, an hour on it fair enough.
You didn't have to watch it if you didn't want to,
and then all the nerds could watch it. Do you
want to hear My favorite social media post of the weekend.
So Matthew Howson goes on Facebook and he posts a

(59:14):
video of the Prime Minister at Ike is opening and
because it's Matthew, he's mean to the Prime minister, and
he says in his caption, this is so embarrassing and provincial.
It's a new shop, no more, no less. And then
Linda Clark, former broadcaster now lawyer, responds and adds her
comment to the bottom and she goes totally embarrassing. And
then Kathy Odgys enters the Kathy's no one to you,

(59:37):
but I know who she is. Kathy's got a sharp wit.
Kathy comes in, she goes, Linda Clark, you represent a
Jevin mcskimming. I'd sit this one out. That's right, good
from Kathy. Also, I wouldn't be posting on Facebook right
now about anything embarrassing Linda if I was you, So
maybe take that piece of advice for free commentary box

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Speaker 6 (01:00:57):
That done.

Speaker 8 (01:00:58):
They're out of here and in this game as a drawer, Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Takes it on. Can he win around six.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Heads?

Speaker 21 (01:01:08):
He's public captain.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Gland of Norris crosses.

Speaker 12 (01:01:11):
The line and for the first time in his racing career,
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Speaker 13 (01:01:34):
He was very good. I actually thought, talking to Mike
last week, I thought, but Stappn would do it. But
he won the race obviously, but just too many points
to claw back. So well done to Lando Norris. It's
been a at times titchy sort of season. Has It
has been dramatic season, great finish to the season. Been
a lot of debate about where this McLaren team was

(01:01:56):
hitting with both of these star drivers, but no no, Nora,
some I think deserves it. What did he win seven
races during the season something like that, and great for
McLaren to be not only Constructors champion but drivers have
have the World Drivers Champion as well the team given
its strong New Zealand links.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah, well, Piney, what's your take on Norris as a driver?
I think this is his first championship, isn't it? So
is it the first of many? Or is it just
me that's just one of them?

Speaker 23 (01:02:24):
Hard to know? Hard to know.

Speaker 20 (01:02:26):
I don't think anyone would suggest that he's going to
be the step and look he might be.

Speaker 23 (01:02:30):
I mean the Stepen is one of the last four World.

Speaker 20 (01:02:32):
Championships and widely regarded as one of the greatest drivers
ever to get behind the wheel. I guess we'll find out.
It was interesting from Norris, wasn't it that he didn't
have to win the race? All he had to do
was finish in the top three. And that must be
a little bit hard to navigate in your mind where
you used to trying to win races knowing that you
don't have to so you just have to stay out
of trouble. Look you, as you say he won seven races,

(01:02:53):
this year the step in one eight, so they give
that there's an indication of how close they were. I
think Piastre might have won seven as well. So yeah,
for the for the staff and all he could do
was was try to win and bunch the field behind him,
try and cause some chaos.

Speaker 23 (01:03:07):
Didn't happen, So yeah, weld on Tolando Norris.

Speaker 20 (01:03:10):
For yeah, getting getting it down to the last to
the last race.

Speaker 13 (01:03:13):
Was a promoter's train, you know, I don't I don't
think we're seeing the start of a dominant run.

Speaker 12 (01:03:16):
Heather.

Speaker 13 (01:03:17):
They've got a whole new setups next year, new cars,
so that'll be tricky for all the drivers. But yeah,
like the staffing is a once in a generation talent,
and he was. He's been in a very good car
that has been set up solely for him. Yeah, I'd
be surprised if Norris goes on to win several.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Championship now, sev It's hard. I mean, Liam Lawson came
into eighteenth and obviously he got the five second penalty,
which doesn't help the situation. But it's hard to describe
this as like a fantastic season for him, is it?

Speaker 10 (01:03:49):
Here?

Speaker 13 (01:03:49):
Well, the start of it was very, very difficult for him,
wasn't it being dumped from red Ball? I mean, such
a cut throat sport mentally, very very tricky. I think
he to everybody that's that he's more than capable of
driving in Formula one. Let's not forget that the the
Racing Balls car is not supposed to be up the

(01:04:09):
top the top five, top six.

Speaker 18 (01:04:12):
It's a it's a midfield set up. It's a midfield car.

Speaker 13 (01:04:14):
So I think Lawson's done very well given what was
thrown at them early on, and given what he's had
to contend with. And yes, he's had some races where
he's had a praying or he's had time penalties, but
in other races he's done well in scoring points, and
it would be it would have been a massive relief
the last few weeks. I'm sure he would have known
before we did that he secured a drive for next year.

(01:04:36):
So I think, all in all, not a bad season
for Liam Lawson. Let's not forget here that he is
still driving in Formula one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Yes, I mean yeah, that that actually is a very
fair point worth making now, Piney, I don't want to
start your week on above note, but what the hell
Phoenix Auckland FC five zip.

Speaker 23 (01:04:56):
Yeah, another one, another one.

Speaker 20 (01:04:58):
I think I said to you on Friday that the
Phoenix had a great opportunity to win this one, and
you know, I think I say they're ahead of every Darby.
Of course they do. They go in a in a
state of mind where they could win the game. But look,
this game changed on the red card just after halftime,
correctly given by the way, I'm not disputing the red
card at all. To Mandraker James. Another brilliant day though

(01:05:19):
out oft Go Media Stadium here the you know, in
the Sunshine twenty three, twenty four thousand, lots of talking
points in the game. But yeah, Wellington Wellington players must
wonder if they're ever going to win one of these
things because Auckland f C just have this insatiable appetite
for beating the Phoenix, yeah, you know, and and an
ability to do it. You know, Alex druthe for Paul

(01:05:41):
to go back to make it one all and you thought,
may hey, maybe there's a there's.

Speaker 23 (01:05:45):
An upset on the cards here.

Speaker 20 (01:05:47):
But Auckland f C just did what Auckland f C
doing And I actually thought on Saturday they showed, they
showed the form that we got used to last year
when they kind of swept.

Speaker 23 (01:05:57):
All before them. I think I didn't they sat all yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:06:02):
Yeah, those imagisation of the of the fans and the
crowd and the atmosphere, it's just fantastic, right. A League
officials must be sitting back and didn't know wherever their
officers are and go gee, thank god we get Auckland.
They've seen of the competition because they've got the best
crowds and surely the best atmosphere in the whole league,
haven't they. Apart from a derby game in Australia.

Speaker 20 (01:06:23):
Yeah, the only one that rivals at save is the
Sydney Derby, which has always been big. But yeah, I
think the New Zealand Derby is elevating the A League
and and look at some Yeah you wonder why it
took so long, but what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
A terrific what is happening here in New Zealand that
the crowd is just loving it so much in the fans?
Why is this working so well here?

Speaker 20 (01:06:44):
I think it's because Auckland's wanted it for so long,
and for so long there's been a there's been a
very very strong football fan base in Auckland without a
team to support apart from the Phoenix when they bring
a home game War two to Auckland every year. Now
that you can go every other week, I think that
you know they've been mobilized to this passionate fan base.
And hither the other thing is, once you go along
to a game, you want to know when the next

(01:07:05):
one is. It's such a great day out, and the
Aukland FC marketing team and the on the on the
day entertainment team needs to take a huge pad on
the back as well, because it's not just the football,
it's the giant slide, it's the entertainment for the kids,
it's everything that's wrapped around the experience.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
That's a fair point. All right, we'll take a break,
come back. Definitely have to talk about the ashes. What
the hell's going wrong with the bass Ball? Fourteen past eight.

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Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
All right, poney, what is going wrong with basball?

Speaker 23 (01:07:46):
I just think Australia are a better team than England.

Speaker 20 (01:07:49):
I yes, the approaches is controversy in terms of just
going for it, but I think there was more caution
at the Gabba than there was in Perth.

Speaker 23 (01:07:59):
But I just think Australia a bitter team.

Speaker 20 (01:08:01):
You look across the two teams, just okay, if you
pick a combined eleven, there's more Australians in that team
than there are English players. Look at some the Ashes
could be done by Christmas, right, Adelaide before Christmas and
the Boxing Day Test and Sydney. But you know Australia
can go to Adelaide when that and the Ashes are
sewing up.

Speaker 23 (01:08:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:08:19):
I look, Mitchell Stark's doing brilliant things with bad haand ball.
They're just a better team, you know.

Speaker 23 (01:08:24):
And it's going to be a long way, don't They.

Speaker 13 (01:08:26):
Have two fast bowlers to come back, Cummings and hazel Wood.

Speaker 20 (01:08:30):
Yeah, so they're depleted and Nathan Lindon didn't play in
this Test, so yeah, you know they're depleted, and yet
they're still winning relatively comfortably inside four days.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:08:41):
Talking about great atmospheres, hither that the English fans certainly
add a ton, right if they even despite the fact
that cricketers aren't.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
Playing for it.

Speaker 13 (01:08:50):
While getting well beaten. They had a huge atmosphere, you know,
a huge.

Speaker 18 (01:08:54):
Gem electricity to these sorts of games.

Speaker 13 (01:08:56):
It's fantastic. Did you see those images from the weekend?
There was about one hundred and fifty guys dressed as
Stormtroopers and then Darth Vader arrived and the three guys
on trumpets they were playing the Star Wars scene was
just absolutely superb.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
It didn't make an efforts. Yeah, but with regards to
our crew, I wonder.

Speaker 13 (01:09:15):
What Mike want to although they take a step left
with him to fit into a Darth Vader cost Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Man, you are going to be in so much trouble.
They're going to clip this sound. They're going to play
this to him in January, and it's just going to
start you off on a sour nodal year. Listen, what
do you reckon? Stave? What what do you reckon? Is
more prestigious the FIFA Peace Prize or the Nobel Peace Prize.

Speaker 13 (01:09:43):
Well, let's take a stamp in the dark and probably
say the Nobel Peace Prize cheers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
And did these guys just concoct this for trump?

Speaker 18 (01:09:51):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:09:52):
Yes, Honestly, I have never seen such a such a vile,
self serving suck up as I have.

Speaker 23 (01:10:02):
On Saturday morning when.

Speaker 20 (01:10:08):
Yeah, or as as Donald Trump was calling him Johnny
and Fantino, I just thought it was it was just
it was just nauseating, and it's and it's you know,
and it's horrible sickopantic nature.

Speaker 10 (01:10:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
We didn't want to get that, honestly, Piney, would you
want that to be your trophy though, because it's eddious,
Like I'm sorry to do this, but if you hold
it upside down, it looks like a testicle.

Speaker 20 (01:10:34):
Yeah, And if you have it the right way up,
it looks like severed Hans. I'm not sure that's you
want to be getting for peace either. So I look
at and the medal and the certificate. I mean, honestly,
we're all there to see who our teams are playing
at the World Cup, and we have to sit through
that nonsense.

Speaker 23 (01:10:50):
It was just a point.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Oh, they just really honestly, they're encourrigible.

Speaker 13 (01:10:54):
Okay, now listen, do you hear that last year at
the Club World Cup in America, which was sort of
the stage for the World Cup, Trump said, oh, I
like that trophy I'm going to keep that f sid
pardon and he kept the trophy and it's in the
Oval office and they had to make a new one
three days before they presented it to the winner.

Speaker 8 (01:11:11):
Honestly, look of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
So then they realized, Okay, the man loves a trophy,
get him one now. Idio say in Ketzia, who was
the chap who has broken our one hundred meter record
and now he's gone and defected to Australia. Sav is
this the balls up that it looks like.

Speaker 13 (01:11:29):
He's been in and out of sprinting for a while.
I remember he went to American college to try and
make it in American football.

Speaker 6 (01:11:35):
He's come back.

Speaker 13 (01:11:38):
I don't know. I don't know where Eddie's career is
headed and will he do well under Australia possibly? What
about Sam Ruth?

Speaker 20 (01:11:50):
Heather, have you have you picked up on this young
middle distance runner Sam Ruth over the weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Are you doing this thing where it doesn't matter that
we've lost one chap because we've got another chap and
he'll do it instead.

Speaker 20 (01:12:00):
Well, I mean, look at Sam Ruth is running faster
at the age of sixteen than Peter Snell, John Walker,
Rod Dixon or Nick Willis.

Speaker 23 (01:12:08):
Did he over the weekend?

Speaker 20 (01:12:09):
Yeah, absolutely obliterated both the eight hundred and fifteen hundred
meter secondary school records eight seconds he took off the
fifteen hundred meter record.

Speaker 23 (01:12:17):
The kid is an absolute freak.

Speaker 16 (01:12:19):
He is.

Speaker 20 (01:12:20):
He's the youngest person ever in the world to run
a sub formIn at mile. Honestly, EDDIOSI and Keith and Kittya. Yes,
it's sad to see him go. But Sam Ruth maybe
about it yet.

Speaker 13 (01:12:31):
Yeah, I think just back to just back Deddy quickly.
I think, look a lot was pumped into at early age,
as in as in funding and resourcing. I think to
run for New Zealand, and then he decides to skip
off to the state. So I think that may have
left a bad house our taste in some mouths.

Speaker 14 (01:12:47):
I'm not on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Yeah, yeah, we're doing that thing. You've got to be loyal,
I understand it. Listen, thanks so much, guys, really appreciated.
Andrew Saville and Jason Pine Our commentary Box eight twenty two.

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entertainment package from Auckland f C. Great atmosphere to be
amongst Teresa. You say it's a great atmosphere and then
you're complaining about the atmosphere. I'm starting to realize we
really are. We're a bad crowd. A we are a
bad crowd. We don't like people dancing in front of us.
We don't like the saxophonists next to us. Somebody was
complaining a couple of hours ago because they're Scottish and
they were at an NPC match and they were told

(01:14:28):
to quiet in and down it was too loud around people.
You've been waiting for this. Happy Days. Katie Perry has
now hard launched Justin the hard launch Justin Trudeau on
the Instagram posted a string of photographs and videos of
their trip to Japan. Is the smiling at the camera
and their heads are touching each other, eating sushi tokyo
times on tour and more. We already knew they were

(01:14:51):
going out because we saw the restaurant photograph ages ago.
But you know it's not official till it's Instagram official,
and it's now official, So yay for us and all
the gross photos. We now have to look at news
dogs at be.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
I've got to tell you shortly about something I don't
think it's tax related, might affect you, which I don't
think has got sufficient publicity. Actually over the weekend we'll
get to that. And just to tack hither on the
boring crowds. I was at the ASB Classic tennis last
year supporting my favorite play with the German flag. A
large security man turned up and threatened to throw me
out if I didn't put it back in my bag.

(01:15:47):
I went to the Aussie Open two weeks later, tons
of flag stress. Up's atmosphere such fun. The ASB Classic
has no atmosphere. By comparison, Alex Eeger, you're just further
cementing my thesis on crowds. In New Zealand twenty three
away from.

Speaker 10 (01:16:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Steve Price of the correspondence with US right now morning,
Steve Good, I Heather, So a couple of days to
go and we've got the social media bankkicking in.

Speaker 6 (01:16:15):
Yeah, this is for anyone under sixteen. They'll be turned
off on their social media accounts for the actual providers.
That's the theory, but a lot of the excuse me,
a lot of the parents that are a little skeptical.
So there's a polland Cinnemony Herald this morning saying seventy
percent of voters backed the ban, but only thirty five
percent of confident that the platforms will actually effectively manage

(01:16:38):
to bock their children. Resolve Political monitor did this pole
for the Herald. Fifty three percent said that they would
pick and choose what their kids could access and they
would review parental controls. Thirteen percent plan to take no action.
So this is going to be really interesting because I mean,
I think most of us would say social media can
cause great harm. We've had awful examples of that and

(01:17:02):
it would be better if children under sixteen. In fact,
I would say children under eighteen, you know, used it less.
But parents themselves realize that this is going to be
really hard. I mean, how do you tell a fifteen
year old that suddenly they're not allowed with the looming
summer school holidays coming to go on Snapchat? I mean,
as a parent, I think it would be really difficult

(01:17:25):
to enforce. And the government seems confident this is the
best thing they've ever done in the world, but I
just think in practical terms, it's going to be very difficult.
I mean, you know, there's even evidence that kids are
using photographs of celebrities to pretend that that's who they are, ah,
so they can keep their accounts. I mean, I guess

(01:17:46):
the evidence is going to be and how the whole
thing does work eventually, But we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Yeah, I see facing has started to kick them off.
I mean meet you know, with Facebook and Instagram started
kicking them off already last week. And have we had
howls of outrage from the kids yet?

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
And so that means to me that they're going to
get around it somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yeah, you might well be right now. Yeah, this business
with the expenses scandal is getting pretty It's getting pretty
full on, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
Yeah, and interesting. This is the minister in charge of
promoting the new laws on social media Antika Wells. It
can be revealed into Sidney Morning Herald now that during
the twenty twenty two twenty three Test cricket series against
South Africa, the minister charge taxpayers for a family reunion
flight so that her husband could come down to the
Boxing Day Test in Melbourne. The flights cost eighteen hundred

(01:18:35):
and eighty five dollars. She got three three free corporate
tickets from Cricket Australia to go to the match, and
in twenty three twenty four the match against Pakistan Australia
was playing, she got one free ticket and the husband
still flew down to Melbourne. Now she's not technically breaking
the laws. There are reunion rules around this that you

(01:18:57):
can have three flights a year if you're going somewhere
other than Canberra to be with your partner. But this
is the same minister who took two staff to New
York to attend a meeting of the UN to spruit
the new social media laws, and the air is there
were eye wateringly expensive, over ninety thousand dollars for three

(01:19:19):
of them to go to New York and back. Now
many people suspect she's probably sitting in first class. We
may never know, but these things are never a good look,
particularly when you've got a country where there's a cost
of living crisis. People can't afford to pay their electricity bills,
and you've got ministers flying around the world in business
class and then getting their husband to fly down to
Melbourne to go to the boxing day tests. It's not

(01:19:40):
a good look for Anika Wills. If she wasn't promoting
the social media changes this Wednesday, I suspect she might
have lost her job.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Now, I mean, Steve, as you say, these other rules
and there's no indication that she's broken the rules. So
had she done it at a time when the country
was more flush and people were more flushed, have been fine.

Speaker 6 (01:19:58):
Probably. Although don't like politicians getting freebies, whether it's tickets
to the cricket or whether it's air fares. It's just
not something. I mean, she says, Look, I've broken no rules,
and no you haven't. Well, maybe we need to change
the rules. I mean, why would taxpayers have to pay
for her husband who lives in Brisbane to fly to

(01:20:19):
Melbourne to go to the Boxing day Test. If he
wants to go to the Boxing Day Test, let him
pay for himself.

Speaker 14 (01:20:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
I couldn't agree with you more. Now, the lads in
the producing team here tell me that you're going to
be a bit dark on the Oscar p Yestree situation.

Speaker 6 (01:20:31):
Well, I've almost given up, and I think Oscar had
two The team McLaren wanted Norris to win, and Lando
has become the world champion. I think the delicious moment
was lap one, turn nine Oscar passed Norris. I think
Oscar has finished third in qualifying, so he had Norris
and to Staping ahead of him, and all he wanted
to do I think to show the world was that

(01:20:53):
he's a better driver than Lando Norris, and he is
led the world championship for most of the season. We
might go back to Monz or I don't want to
be too technical about all of this, but back in Monza,
Piastre was forced to let Norris go past as part
of team rules, and that cost Oscar three points, and
of course those three points went to went to Orlando

(01:21:16):
and he won the world title by two points. So
you can make up your own mind. I mean he's
a better driver. They had two great cars all year.
The Stappen's are superstar. He's won five world titles and
you know, if Norris, if Piastri couldn't win either, I
would have liked to have seemed to stab him. But
I just don't like Lando. He's a privilege pratt to be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Honest, good on, Yes, Steve appreciated Steve price Osi corresponding,
Were we just talking about this? Weren't we just talking
about the fact that he is incredibly privileged because it
comes from a rich family. But it still takes some skill,
doesn't it. Seventeen away from nine? Now, this is the
thing that I don't think is getting enough media attention.
I mean, to be fair, it's being covered by the Herald,

(01:21:57):
so janetub Traney has covered it off for the for
the weekend here. If you are reading the Herald, you'll
be across it. But I think it affects more people
than kind of the attention it's getting. At the moment,
Ird is proposing to close in on companies that lend
to their shareholders, right, which is so what happens in
some cases is the company doesn't pay the shareholder a
wage or a salary or a dividend, It just pays

(01:22:20):
a loan and that kind of gets around some of
the tax stuff, you know, like just tax just gets
around some of the tax and IID kind of sees
what's going on here, and so they have proposed that
they want to start treating the company loans to shareholders
as income and start taxing it. And the reason they
want to do that is because number one, they think
that these companies are doing it in order to pay
it to avoid paying the full tax, but also because

(01:22:43):
they think that there are some cases where a company's
about to go and go into liquidation and then the
shareholders are drawing out loans so they can get their
money out beforehand, you know what I mean. So I
I mean, so look on the face of it, you'd
have to say, well, if this kind of makes things
a little bit fairer, you know, fearer. But the problem,
of course is this is a country of small businesses.

(01:23:04):
SMEs and semes are the ones who are doing this,
and there is a whopping twenty nine billion dollars that
shareholders o companies, So a lot of people are doing
this and a lot of companies are doing this, and
ID has done this on the quiet and then seems
to have kind of retrospectively ish done it. So they
want to be able to apply this new change to
loans from December four. What's December before? Was that last Thursday.

(01:23:27):
So we're talking on Monday about something that's now going
to apply from last Thursday. So I don't know, you
could see that this is going to get people a
little bit worked up. I'd imagine the Taxpayers Union is
going to go hard on this. Keep an eye out
for that quarter to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
The IDA is going hard to get money. They've just
gone back on me, gone back on three years of
my tax returns and asking questions even though I have
an accountant AJ they are. They're going hard on the
taxes everywhere, right, So they're going harder, I mean on
any bit of money that you might be you might
oh IID that come and sniffing for it, like the
student loans. And I'm loving this. Like I said to
the Prime Minister, before you look after the pennies and

(01:24:09):
the pounds take care of themselves. Has always been a
disgrace that we've had outstanding tax bills, outstanding student loans,
just all this stuff kind of floating ring. Don't worry,
we're flush. We've got so much money it doesn't really matter.
Well we're not, and so we may as well get
it back. Now I've got a question for you. Okay,
do you reckon if you've got a smart watch? Has
this made your life better or worse? Is this good

(01:24:29):
for you? Because there is a researcher who's had a
look at the impact of wearing a smart watch. If
you don't have a smart watch, right, what it does
is it does everything. So it measures the new additions
like measure your temperature, measure your heart rate, like if
you haven't if you have that what is it called
arterial fibrillation or whatever it is, the cardiovascular surgeon is
going to have a freak out right now my pronunciation.

(01:24:49):
But the AF, if you've got the hay af where
your heart's kind of doing the funny thing, it measures it.
It tells you all about that.

Speaker 8 (01:24:55):
Forget the Samsung Galaxy Watch Ultra will actually do your
blood pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Oh okay, so so yeah, did you get that? As
that was that a plug? For a free product right there.

Speaker 8 (01:25:04):
No, no, no, no, I'm actually reviewing the Honor watch for at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Listen to you, this guy. I should never talk about
anything tech around Glen, because of just chippin and start
making me look Excay, there's just.

Speaker 8 (01:25:13):
A little plug for my tech reviews. Else.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
So he does the tech reviews and so maybe you
can answer the question, Glen. So it does the blood pressure,
does the heart rate? Does how much your sleep? And
does all this stuff? Does everything? Does it tells you
if you're sixy six? Yeah, it tells you if you're
stressed whatever. And this research has had to look at it,
and she reckons it very small like cohort of cardiovascular pation,
so very small group and not at all the general
public right beause these people who are freaked out about

(01:25:37):
their hearts. She reckons it drives up anxiety. She reckons
twenty percent of those who've been given the old smart
watch to monitor their hearthouse start getting freaked out by it.
So they see it as they see something that worries
them on their watch, So then they become worried, which
then pushes up their heart rate, which then records another
bad numbers. That become worried against it becomes a self
fulfilling prophecy. So she reckons and a bunch of people reckon. Actually,

(01:25:59):
these things are not good for you. They are actually
making you. They're making you stress out about just normal
functions like sleep. On the other hand, on the other hand,
I find it's quite helpful to know that you are
waking up about a thousand times in the night to
go go do your eez or whatever, and you are
losing an hour sleep. Thereby you go to our go
to sleep an hour early.

Speaker 8 (01:26:18):
Yeah, exactly. I actually cured my snoring partly by using
a smart watch, how well, because it could tell me
when I was snoring, actually recorded when I was snoring,
and I could play it back and hear how.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Horrible it was, so you didn't believe your wife.

Speaker 8 (01:26:33):
Well, and then and then when I saw it, like actually,
in you know, minutes and hours, how much time I
spent snoring, I thought I'd better do something about this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Okay, And what he did about it as an installment
for another day. What smart watch was that? Please? Ants
An's glean.

Speaker 8 (01:26:50):
So many smart watches, it's one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
There you go. I'm firmly on the side of it
improves your life. You just you turn off your anxiety.
Eight away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Looks like Nigel Farage might be in a little bit
of trouble over and the UK's has just dropped as
an exclusive on the Telegraph. He's been reported to police
by a former member of his campaign team overclaims of
falsified election expenses. This is when he was running four Yeah,
he was running in Clacton and apparently officially Reform came

(01:27:24):
within four hundred pounds of the legal spending limit, which
is about twenty oh it's about twenty thousand pounds and
a bit of change anyway, he came very close. But
this chap reckons that that excludes some costs including leaflets,
banner's utility bills and the refurbishment of a blue and
teal Reform themed bar in the campaign office, but also
failed to declare the loan of an armored land rover,

(01:27:45):
which you think would kind of be obvious, like the
dude's driving around in a land rover and it's not
in the expenses anyway. If it's true, it's a breach
of electoral law, and it'll be the first kind of
would I say, first takedown attempt, not the first takedown
attempt on farage, but might actually sting five to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Look, I don't know if anything that Trump puts in
place surprises anyone anymore.

Speaker 23 (01:28:10):
But there is this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
So earlier this year, the media asked why Trump's White
House wasn't making a big deal about June tenth, which
is the federal holiday.

Speaker 23 (01:28:18):
Of course, does the president.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Plant to commemorate the holiday today.

Speaker 8 (01:28:22):
Or a melody coming on it?

Speaker 15 (01:28:23):
I'm not tracking his signature on a proclamation today.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
I know this is a federal holiday. I want to
thank all of you for showing up to work.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
We are certainly here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
We're working twenty four to seven right now, Nick, you
go ahead.

Speaker 22 (01:28:32):
Actually that was my question.

Speaker 21 (01:28:34):
Will you plan to mark Juneteenth in any way, either
today or with an event later.

Speaker 12 (01:28:37):
On maybe next week?

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
I just answered that question for you.

Speaker 18 (01:28:40):
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
So in the US there are certain days you can
get into national parks for free, and it won't surprise
you then to learn that Trump has removed Martin Luther
King Day, King Junior Day and June tenth from those
free days. But don't worry, because they're not The American
public's not going to miss out on two days. They
are going to get one day back in and that's
Trump's Birthday. So no more Juneteenth or Marta King Junior

(01:29:03):
Martin Luther King Junior Day. But you can go to
the parks for free on Donald Trump's birthday, because that's
the kind of place the US now wild. Heather, I
went on a hike and one of the guys had
a smart watch, and every time he had a fag,
his heart rate went up and he had to stop,
and it took us forever to complete the hike. I
thought that story was going to end, and then he
had to stop with the fags because he realized what

(01:29:25):
it was. But evidently not hither. My husband has a
smart watch is the worst thing ever. He's like a
bloody teenage girl checking every blim and notification.

Speaker 23 (01:29:33):
You know what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Though I'm prepared to diagnose this, I reckon husbands look
for anything to distract so they are in the real world,
but they want to not be there with you at
the minute, because then there might be chores to do,
so they like what that's what's going on.

Speaker 8 (01:29:47):
He might have just been looking at the time, wondering
how long this was going to go on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
It was just like, she's still cleaning. Hold on, she's
still cleaning. Now, hang on, she's still cleaning. If I
just keep looking at this was should we finish cleaning
soon and I won't have to alridy ho? There we go,
one down. Hosking's having a lovely day today on holiday.
I probably just woke up now. Maybe see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
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