Full Show Podcast: 08 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Demanding the answers from the decision makers. The mic asking
breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local experts across residential,
commercial and rural news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Dad been working, David Selaw and his treaty Principle's idea,
Scott Robertson and Desiri's challenge. We look at the states
of a big corporus here who now have to handle
Trump's America and tariffs. Jim Makatie do the week, Richard
Arnold does the state's Murray Old Zim from Australia asking,
it is seven past six, Welcome to you Friday. Our
old friend Adrian Ors decided Trump will be slightly inflationary

(00:31):
he announced yesterday, and that peak trade globally he speaks of,
is over. And I think on both counts he's probably right.
He's not right. He wasn't right this week on the
jobs when he thought they would be five percent by
way of unemployment. And I don't think he's right when
he talked in his fiscal risk report this week that
more jobs will lead to more mortgage defaults on housing.
If we've learned one thing out of this whole mad

(00:52):
COVID experiment, it's that New Zealand is in our relationship
with housing is something out of the box. It's obsessive.
If we don't believe it's a right to own a house,
it's certainly on the old to do list, and we
work awfully hard to make it happen. And having made
it happen, we ain't letting go easily, which is why
the mortgage cliff never happened. All the doom and misery
around all the houses that would be foreclosed on never
came to pass. So a few more job losses isn't

(01:13):
going to add to the calamity that never happened in
the first place. An interesting question to ask, I think,
is whether Adrian's conservatism has and indeed continues to hold
this country back. He's got a just in case feel
about him. Don't you think the amount that banks have
to keep aside for things that so far haven't happened,
the jobs that might be lost, that, in fact weren't
the money all the banks needed for free during COVID,

(01:36):
so they could spray it about the place to protect
a lot of stuff that, as it turned out, didn't
need protecting. This is not to say things haven't been
and aren't bad they are. Adrians made a god of
full mess of it all, as bad as any and
worse than most. But this week I think we saw
a little bit of hope. The jobless rate is still
to rise, yes it is. But if the forecasts were
wrong now, my bet is those who think it will

(01:56):
go to six percent will be wrong next year. The
mood has or is changing. People don't want to be
any more down than they need to be, and the tide,
my gut tells me, is now turning. Even Adrian saw
better times ahead for farming in his report this week.
I see it not only for farming. I see it
indeed for most of the rest of US.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
News of the world. In ninety seconds, coach pull.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Out and analysis rolls into an American Thursday, Biden hit
the Rose Garden. More on that shortly. But while that
was going on, Big Don Junior is putting together Dad's cabinet.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I want to make sure now that we know who
the real players are, the people who will actually deliver
on the president's message, the people who don't think that
they know better than the duly elected president of the
United States. I want to make sure that those people
are in his Cabinet.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
This blog is the former chair of the GPA. He
reckons Trump can do whatever he likes.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
There's no difference than Donald Trump one point zero versus
this Donald Trump two point zero, except for the fact
that Donald Trump two point zero has a very keen
understanding on how Washington works.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
He's right. Internationally, the head of NATO makes a decent point.
It's actually the point I made on Wednesday. So probably listening,
do you have a president.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Who has experienced, who is extremely clear about what he wants.
He will push us all to spend more on defence,
and he's right on this. He was right. He got
his way. We went to the two percent thanks to
his doing.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
The meantime, on the dim side of town there they're
working out what went wrong.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Racism and sexism, the rooting of fascism and authoritarianism in
this country is very real.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
Unfortunately, there's also like the segment of America who just
wants like the old white guy.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, and so you can see that they'll be thinking
about that for a while. In the UK, the B
and B have cut the cash right the path.

Speaker 7 (03:38):
Of inflation, as we've set out, we think, you know,
returns to the targets by the horizon that we look at,
and that is what has given us in the sense
support for cutting rates.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, and the new chancell is that's because I'm here.

Speaker 8 (03:55):
Both the Officer Budget Responsibility and indeed the Bank of
England forecast today shows that the economy is growing, interest
rates and inflation are coming down. That is a world
away from the last parliament.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
She's full of it. I'll tell you why in a moment.
Finally new prime minister, new prime number, rather not a
new prime minister. I'll come to that in this couple
of moments are Luke Urant has devoted a year's worth
of time in some of his own money, to discover
the world's largest known prime number. It's officially called M
one three, six, two, seven, nine eight four one. It
consists of more than forty one million digits and as
the first prime number discovery more than six years. The

(04:30):
prime number community they do acknowledge though there are no
practical applications for such a number. But I bet they
didn't burst into tears in an NCEEA exam. And that
is news of the world in ninety Yeah, the Bank
of England, why, she's full of it. Twenty five points
by the way to four point seventy five, though they're
still above us eight to one in favor of the cut.
But what they also said, as a result of the

(04:52):
budget and all the spending of the money they don't have,
is inflations back on the rise. They see it increasing
half a point. It's two point seventy five percent. Twelve
past six.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
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How it by News Talk Seppy.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yes, Democracy, Germany's officially falling apart. We told you yesterday
they're about two and they did. They sacked the finance minister.
They've replaced them. But that's it's it's it's all forul
literally falling apart in front of our eyes as we speak. Ireland,
they're meeting for the final time November twenty nine. They're
officially going to announce it tomorrow, but the word is
Friday twenty nine November. A general election must be called
before March, so they're picking Friday November twenty nine. In

(05:35):
Ireland Democracy, Big week for democracy. Fifteen past six Weekly
look from Joy, my wife Andrew Callahoo, Good morning, very
good morning, Mike. How did the markets candle the tilting
of the world's axis.

Speaker 9 (05:47):
What a week. Isn't that fascinating? It's fantastic.

Speaker 10 (05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (05:51):
So yeah, we're twenty four hours on from waking up
to the well the prospect, not the prospect of the
actuality of a change in government in the world's biggest economy.

Speaker 9 (05:59):
Yeah, global markets have had a chance to digest all.

Speaker 11 (06:01):
Actually, Mike, I was in the Central North ONLD the
essay down the Tarau district Danny verk par here to
talking to the good people down. The first thing they
asked me, particularly the primary sector people, what does it
mean for us?

Speaker 9 (06:13):
What does it mean for us?

Speaker 11 (06:13):
So everybody this is effect of the wild course. So yeah,
so what sort of happened? Well, we woke up yesterday
to this news and yields or interest rates in New
Zealand they pushed higher. Look in September full of optimism
about lower rates the New Zealand five years what rate
fell to under three and a half three point four
to six. Yesterday closed a smidge in under four percent,
So quite a big move, a reasonably significant reversal. I

(06:36):
think more relevant till mortgage holders out there is what's
happening in short.

Speaker 9 (06:40):
Term interest rates.

Speaker 11 (06:41):
They have also pushed higher, but not to the same degree.
So I look say at the two year rate three
and a half in September. It was at three point
eight six yesterday, so we are sort of seeing a
move there. We are seeing upward pressure on the back
end of the yelka, particularly New Zealand share market. I
mentioned this yesterday. Normally went offshore markets like the US
have a stonking rally that lifts our market. But yesterday

(07:04):
I said, we'd have to see what the stronger force
was US markets pushing up all concern about the impact
on our economy. Well, actually, unfortunately the latter won out
yesterday because our share market fell only slightly though half
a percent, but it wasn't a rousing endorsement.

Speaker 9 (07:18):
And the reality is we really don't know what the
impact will be on us yet.

Speaker 11 (07:22):
Asian markets, Mike, they have the Chinese share market rebounded,
were sort of seen mixed trading across the Asian region,
and quite a few green numbers across Europe as well,
So a number of European indseas have recovered, and also
the New Zealand dollar has recovered. And then in the background,
I think you just mentioned it. A couple of comments
from our part of the world from the Central banks.

(07:42):
Australian RBA official, the Assistant Governor of their Christopher Kent.
He noted yesterday that large US tariffs on China might
have an adverse effect on Australia and I think we
could be in the same position there and Deputy Governor
Christian hawksby the RB and Z one, speaking at the
Parliamentary Committee, he said on the March and Trump policies
are inflationary but manageable in the world of operationally independent

(08:05):
central banks and US markets.

Speaker 9 (08:07):
Overnight, Mike, they're pretty stable.

Speaker 11 (08:09):
We've seen the Nasdaq push higher, but Dow Jones fairly
fairly level. So still we're going to still see a
little bit more volatility.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think, well we might because entering the fraiverury shortly
is mister.

Speaker 11 (08:18):
Powell absolutely now all though eyes turned to the Fed,
but almost forgotten amongst the excitement of the US elections
the fact that the US feder Reserve is stepping up
the play today. We don't get that out until eight
o'clock this morning. Of course, within the background the Bank
of England having cut rates overnight as well.

Speaker 9 (08:33):
But back to the Fed.

Speaker 11 (08:35):
Look, there's a real air of uncertain to hear Mike
over what happens next? Because the market Marke has got
almost two interest rate cuts priced in between now and Christmas.
But there are some issues that have now become a
little bit more clouded for the Fed.

Speaker 9 (08:48):
You just sort of run through them. Inflation. Does the
Fed assume a greater risk of inflationary pressures? Tax cuts?

Speaker 11 (08:54):
How does the Central Bank over their factor and listen
to their forecast? Do they now assume a different trajectory
or environment for demand? What about the jobs market? You know,
the Trump's been elected on taking a pretty tough stance
on migration, but you know what effect on the labor
market is that going to have?

Speaker 9 (09:10):
If he follows through so many many questions?

Speaker 11 (09:13):
Common sense suggests that the stage the Fed will not
comment or stay well clear of political types of comments,
but the environment has clearly changed. I'm expecting them to
do the twenty five basis point cut, adopt sort of
a watching brief, but I think it will make some
of the committee members sort of reluctant to forecast the
same degree of monetary policy relief until they know more.

Speaker 9 (09:36):
So we will just have to wait and see, Right,
what are the numbers.

Speaker 11 (09:39):
We have got the dal Jones forty three thousand, seven
hundred and sixty nine, which is just up a time
a little bit. The S and P five hundred is
uper point sixty two percent five nine sixty five, and
the Nasdaq is up one point three six percent nineteen
two hundred and forty forts one hundred down small overnight
point three two eight one four oh the close there.
The NIGE down a quarter of percent through thirty nine thousand,

(10:02):
three hundred eighty one. The Shanghai composite bounced back up
two and a half percent three four seven oh.

Speaker 9 (10:08):
The ASX two hundred.

Speaker 11 (10:10):
Was up twenty seven points a third of percent eight
thy two hundred and twenty six.

Speaker 9 (10:15):
The ns next.

Speaker 11 (10:16):
Fifty down sixty eight points is said point five to
four one thousand, twelve thousand, five hundred and eighty one.

Speaker 9 (10:22):
Kimi dollar has recovered back over sixty.

Speaker 11 (10:24):
Cents point six point one nine point nine oh twenty
five against the AUSSI, point five five seven seven against
the Euro, point four six three five against the pound,
ninety two point one seven against the Japanese Yen. Gold
has rebounded two thousand, six hundred and ninety five dollars.
Brentrued seventy five dollars and twenty six cents. And I'm
off back to the business lunch at Craggy Range today, Mike,

(10:46):
to see what.

Speaker 9 (10:47):
And I'll assess the mood. I'll assess the mood of
the business community. That's my job today.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Very good. You enjoy it and we'll catch up next week.
Appreciate it, Andrew Kellahejomiweld dot co dot m z ski.
You got younger people in your life. The old elf
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but they're also big in the Gen elfher's and the millennials.
Revenue three hundred and one million dollars, which is up

(11:15):
forty percent on the year, So there's still plenty of
money for the old discretionary, whereas they'll tell you it's
not remotely discretionary. It's vital. Six twenty one. You're a
newstalk Zenbo the.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
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Speaker 2 (11:33):
Mike, I think you may have underestimated the amount of
people that have left the country to find work. Hence
the employment rate recorded is lower than expected. Pam, you're
missing the point that there are in fact more people
coming into the country than are leaving. Yes, there's far
too many New Zealanders who are leaving, especially young bright ones.
But we are being more than replaced, and that is
why the population is growing. And every one of them
has a job. That's how you get into the country, unless,

(11:54):
of course, you're a nurse, because they've got completely cocked up.
Ironic the person moaning Mike about the US voting for
an old white guy, what do you think they had before?
It's not a bad point speaking at which Mike Biden
very magnanimous. He comes from good stick. Did he almost
all stock? Did he almost sound relieved that Kamala lost?
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (12:12):
Listen, Defeat does not mean we are defeated.

Speaker 9 (12:16):
We lost this battle.

Speaker 12 (12:19):
America of your dreams is calming for you to get
back up. That's the story of America for over two
hundred and forty years and counting. There's a story for
all of us, not just some of us. American experiment endors.
We're going to be okay, but we need to stay engaged,

(12:43):
we need to keep going and above all, we need
to keep the faith trending.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Now with chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy all year.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Round, that's when he's at his best, and he's certainly
better there than Kamla was yesterday. How you defend what
went on in the say you're going to keep fighting
the fire? Got no idea, but anyway, Jeremy Clark's an
update for you if you missed it a week or
so back. He underweent a heart procedure, so refreshed with stints,
he's into it.

Speaker 10 (13:10):
Over the years, bright lights and the sky have been
used to make many important announcements, the birth of the
Baby Jesus, for example, But tonight they're being used to
make an announcement it's even bigger than that. Season five
of Clarkson's Farm is coming. Eat your heart out. James Burke.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
The reference to James Burke, by the way, is a
presenter of the BBC's Tomorrow's World Show often highlighted tech advances,
which what Jeremy thinks. The fireworks you heard were to
announce season five. So we haven't even known you, right,
we haven't even seen season four yet, but season four
is going to be released sometime next year, about May,
and then season five will be the year after. And

(13:56):
the question I ask is whether or not this can
go literally forever, because I mean, after season three it's
the same thing every year. A little bit of cropping,
a little bit of plowing, and animal dies. There's some
high jinks, there's a few injuries, there's a few laughs.
And whether that's like country calendar. And said that I
started Slow Horses last night? Was it you put me
onto slow horses? J said, so I can see why

(14:17):
they call it slow. It's like I said, I said
to Katie. I said, we're in the snug in our
new room with the massive TV, and we had the discussion.
I said, do you want to watch Slow Horses because
Glenn says we should? And then we I teed it
all up on the television, except it was the television
in the wrong room. She goes, we got to use
the snug, and then we went down to the snug

(14:38):
and then the television and the snug needed a code
to punch into the streaming service. And I said, the
other streaming service is working well. The streaming service is
no good and then she went and got her phone
and she goes, hold on, I'll just do it with
my phone, and then she tapped like an old woman
tapping hold on. I don't know, hold on. Anyway, we
got it going. But my summation at the end of
episode one was it needs to pick up a bit
from here.

Speaker 10 (14:57):
Oh it does.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Oh good, Well that's what she said, although she said,
I think without having a clue whether it's true.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
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Speaker 2 (15:14):
I mean, Mike, can you please explain why Mari are
getting so wound up over this treaty debarcle? Is it
not just to clarify the meaning of the treaty? Well,
the answer is how long have you got? But we'll
give it a crack with David seymore shortly twenty three
to seven. So Biden's just spoken as we told you,
and we'll get the next steps idea from Richard Arnold
in a couple of moments. Meantime, back here, we've got

(15:36):
a medical insight. Three decades worth of a Tigo University
med School enrollment DART has been analyzed put into a
new report. The schemes aimed at boosting underrepresented communities, they've
had some impact. So, in other words, to put it
really simply, what happens is you've got to get a
certain score to get into mid school. If you're Mari
or various other backgrounds, you can get a lower score.
Students with wealthy backgrounds continue to fill the cohorts. Government's

(15:57):
reviewing the Schemes Act, of course, caused it all discriminatory.
From the University Medical Emirritors, Professor Dais Gorman is, well,
this is very good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
Good morning Mike.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Do you reckon it's worked in any way, shape or
form that we're all happy with or not.

Speaker 13 (16:11):
Well, it certainly worked in terms of increasing a number
of Marie doctors we have, but that's not the problem
that was designed to fix that night. The problem with
designed to fix was to improve access from Maria to
healthcare and to improve their health outcomes. And it was
introduced more than fifty years ago. I went first. It

(16:31):
was called fifty three years ago. It was in place then.
I didn't know that it was in place then, but
that the problem was designed to fix was not to
have more Brown places in the medical queue. But it
was actually to improve access for Maria healthcare and improve
their health outcomes, which it is not. That's never been measured.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
So the idea is, and this is the part I've
never understood. The idea is that if you have when
you turn up to the doctor and you're Maori and
the doctors mariy, somehow things change or things are different.
Is there true?

Speaker 13 (17:02):
I don't think it is. I think we've had an
obligation on us as medical schools to prepare people who
are culturally confident from the get go, and that's never changed.
The idea was I think that I said, if you're Mari,
you're more likely to go and work in a area
with a large number of Mari patients that can't be
under service. And in fact, you take a kid at

(17:24):
a rural town in fams of medical school in Ackland,
I'd suggest that that rural towns the last night as
you like go back to you.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Well, that's true, and we know that from these statistics,
don't we. And it's also expanded, so it's Mari indigenous specific,
it's rural as refugee, it's students from lower socio economic households,
the lower socioeconomic thing hasn't moved the needle at all.
Are any of these things a problem and do they
need fixing or as long as we have enough people
becoming doctors, we've solved our problem.

Speaker 14 (17:53):
Well.

Speaker 13 (17:53):
Look, I think NEWSLD is like the idea of a meritocracy,
like and we like the idea that the best students
give spad in the medical school, and so a process
which distorts that in meritocracy will always have trouble with.
And I can tell you now that some of the
thirdest days of my time is hid in medical school,
was talking to families who were so distressed that there's

(18:14):
some in order didn't get into medicine because they they
were in a preferential group. So I think we've got
to be very careful before we start fiddling with meritocracies,
and particularly if we start introducing social engineering without appropriate research.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, I tend to agree. What about the difference, and
this is outside, but the difference between Auckland and a
target for example, it Targo is based on numbers. If
you've got good numbers, you get in. In Auckland's it's
got more to do with the person they interview you
do you have a view on that or not.

Speaker 13 (18:43):
Oh look, I don't think any of you contributes much
to the overall waiting. And if you look at the
list that would accept at Auckland, whether without the interview,
it's pretty much the same time. Then it's be honest,
you've got a bunch of overachieving kids fill ducts and
so on, or compete for a limited number of iphis.
I mean you tell on it. Some of those places

(19:04):
are no longer available to them, so will generate ank still,
of course it will. Then how do you justify it?

Speaker 6 (19:09):
You will?

Speaker 13 (19:10):
You justify it on the base of that you're improving
overall community well being. But if you haven't met it that,
how can you claim it?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
It's interesting? Good on you, mate, you go well appreciate it,
pretty much does Gorman Auckland University, Medical Emeritus Professor, nineteen
minutes away from seven. I didn't think we fat. I
was always fascinated because my dad was a doctor and
my daughter's are about to enter the last year of
medical school. At the moment, she would argue for it,
not speaking on her behalf too much, but she would
argue for it, having experienced as herself and her views

(19:37):
on what happens in medical school are fascinating and I's
been many in our talking to her about how the
health system works or doesn't work in this country. But
what we need to do and we're not is produce
more doctors. Now forget where they come from. And from
my own personal experience, I mean, I've had a number
of doctors over the year. I couldn't care less who
they are. Couldn't get a man, woman, I've had Asian.
I mean, what's the matter. I mean, they're there to

(19:57):
help you out, and if they can help you out medically.
That's the point we haven't heard from Putin post Trump
until now.

Speaker 15 (20:04):
Russia does not see Western civilization as an enemy. Sure,
we don't want to Michuchi to voice or educate our ideas,
vost our ideas on people, or educate people. And it

(20:26):
will be interesting to know whether in Western capitals they
actually understand how to acknowledge this irreversible fact.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Are going to be interesting to see where the relationship
goes at which point. By the way, watching that was
also Silensky, Well, hold on, I've got something to say.

Speaker 16 (20:40):
Some of leaders have been hugging him for twenty years
and things are only getting worse. He thinks only about
worse and will not change. Only pressure can put limits
on him.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
So that's Lensky. So there's a lot to play for
our workI through later on this morning the things he
promised Trump, This is the things he promised he would do.
And we'll also get to the bottom of the legal
issues as well. Richard Arnold by next eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
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Speaker 2 (21:14):
Mike, there are currently four hundred of our best students
being forced to do medical school in Australia. Very few
of these will come back there and lost for good.
I tend to agree that goes back to mccomie the
moment ago about producing more than wy Katto hopefully is
going to help.

Speaker 17 (21:25):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's just a load of crap. If you need a
heart surgeon, you need a heart surgeon. If you want
a snapshot of life framed and drippy, unrealistic sentiment, you
watch an advertisement. You're out early this morning. Six forty five.

Speaker 18 (21:36):
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Speaker 2 (21:41):
Richard Land flat Side morning to you. You want to
make Biden very eloquent in the Rose Garden. Where do
we go to?

Speaker 19 (21:47):
Oh I don't know how I lookquid he was, But yeah,
he made his first statement after this blowout by Trump
recapturing the White House, regaining control of the US Senate,
and while it will be days before the Italian House
seats is known, it is quite likely that Republicans will
have control there as well. There are still sety five
undersided House seats. Republicans need just ten of these to
hold on to control of the House of Reps. So

(22:08):
prepping to return to the White House, President elect Trump
is stronger than he has been before. Pole suggested the
closest race of modern times didn't turn out that way.
Trump also has shaped a new coalition, winning significant support
from blue collar workers, including many Latino men. So now
President Biden has given his reaction, speaking a short time back,

(22:29):
as you say, and promising something we had never heard
from Trump.

Speaker 12 (22:33):
We'll have a peaceful transfer of power here in America.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, he says.

Speaker 20 (22:36):
Yes.

Speaker 19 (22:37):
Team already is working with Trump on the transition. Surveys
suggest the economy was leading concern. Biden says, we leave behind.

Speaker 12 (22:45):
The strongest economy in the world. I know people are
still hurting, but things are changing rapidly.

Speaker 19 (22:53):
Well, Kamala Harris made that argument, but many weren't filling it.
If you are from Gen X in the white working
class here, you were doing way better than a millennial,
about six percent better by age thirty. This is not
the much vaunted American dream. While people at the top
have been making more, some working class kids are earning

(23:14):
less and the wage gap is growing. If you go
back to baby boomers, compared to millennials, two thirds owned
a home by age thirty five, while just forty nine
percent of millennials did. Millennials so we're talking here from
the nineteen eighties born to the mid nineties have on
average thirty percent less wealth. So Wall Street celebrates and
the world's ten richest people just got a We hear

(23:36):
record sixty four billion US wealthier from Trump's reelection, and
you know those folks need a break, right, But it
doesn't trickle down much, and Democrats were unable to reassure
many blue collar voters. While Trump's new golden boy, Elon Musk,
says there will be quote temporary hardships if he does
to the country what he did to twitter. Trump tariffs
also could spike inflation. Another big election issue was immigration,

(23:58):
and Democrats were late to the game and dealing with
the legal immigration world. Trump changed from build a wall
to mass deportations of mostly brown people. Trump has said
he will invoke something called the Alien Enemies Act they
rarely use law from seventeen ninety eight to carry out
his mass deportation plan. There are more than eleven million

(24:18):
undocumented migrants in this country, about eighty percent have been
here for a decade or more, and fill most of
the jobs in the farm workers and restaurant industries and construction.
Their removal would affect the economy significantly, it seems. Trump's
former immigration enforcement boss Tom Homan says there might be
a million deportations a year. People, he says will not
be put in concentration camps. That is nonsense, but there

(24:41):
will be large scale raids. This whole thing will be costly, maybe,
according to one assessment, eighty eight billion dollars US. That's
one estimate. There are currently six thousand border enforcement agents.
Biden's former border control boss Jason Howser says they might
need one hundred thousand as to who is deported. Trump's
man Tom Homan says this could lead to the removal

(25:02):
of parents and grandparents, while children might be allowed to stay.

Speaker 6 (25:06):
The parent absolutely and to the country illegally had a
child annoying.

Speaker 21 (25:10):
He was in the country illegally, so he created that crisis.

Speaker 19 (25:13):
So what's the call on this. Julie Moreno with a
US citizen who's been married for seven years to our
Mexican fellow here illegally, but who runs the business and
pays taxes. If her husband is deported, she could move
back to Mexico. Actually he's never lived there, and their
business would dissolve. So how will people react when they
see all this in real life?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Lots on and filve You have a good weekend, Richard
Arms stateside by way of ratings, who watched in America?
Fox won it and won it well? They had an
average of ten bit over ten million viewers at any
given moment, a second consecutive cycle that they've won that. MSNBC,
which is interesting, came second with six million on average
over the time. It's a long average, so therefore the
numbers tend to drop a little bit. That's the first

(25:54):
time they beat CNN CNN has a world of trouble.
If you follow the media in America, see and n
just can't seem to dig themselves out of the hole there.
And anyway, CNN came in with five point one as
far as the local networks were concerned, ABC fire point nine,
NBC fire point five, CBS three point six. If you
add all those together, that's an average of thirty five

(26:15):
million people watching. Is that a lot? Not really, because
there's over three hundred million Americans ten to seven.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Call the mic Costing Breakfast with our Vida, retirement, communities, news,
togs head been and really.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Broad terms, Trump's legal problems are going to go away,
so let's work your way through him. He's got civil
fines and civil cases, about half a billion dollars worth
of civil finds. He can't escape those. You may well
appeal them and it may well get tied up and
court for years, but he can't get rid of them
or not pay them just because he's become president. The
New York case, the hush money case, this is one merchant.
He's due to sentence this month. Sometime. He's not going

(26:51):
to get It's unlikely he's going to get prison. So
he's going to get fined, and that'll be another fine
that he's probably going to pay.

Speaker 17 (26:57):
Jan.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Six This is where it gets really interesting, was driven
by Jack Smith. Jack Smith I think is probably on
trade me looking for work, and if he's not, he
should be. So that's essentially the discussions have already started
to make those cases go away. So that's the Jan.
Sixth case, the classified documents case that was the business
of all the paperwork at Mary Lago that has been

(27:19):
put on hold. Anyway in that kind of this is
going nowhere since and of course it's all changed for now,
so that's another thing that we'll need to see the
light of day. And then the big one is the
Georgia case. Georgia case is bogged down mainly because of Willis,
the ag who was Fanny Willis, who was District Attorney

(27:41):
rather DA not ag DA, because she was involved with
in a relationship with one of the blokes running the
case and that was all highly dodgy and they were
sort of working. That'll go away as well. So essentially,
if it's civil and he's been found guilty, he'll need
to pay the fines in some way, shape or form.
The big stuff forget it. Five minutes away from.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
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Speaker 2 (28:06):
Go to Median News with a new Zealand connection. Warner
Brothers Discovery who were here. Of course, revenue decreased. They've
announced overnight internationally that decreased four percent to sixteen billion.
Total adjusted earning before ebbitt DAAL was down nineteen percent
to four billion. Despite those numbers, their total profit for
the third quarter was two hundred and twenty four million,
compared with the loss of around six hundred million in
Q three last year, so that's an improvement. They made

(28:29):
some cuts. The other big part was streaming service and
that's Max. Now Max isn't going to be here because
they did a deal with Sky. They grew by seven
point two million subscribers in Q three. They've now got
one hundred and ten million subscribers around the world, so
that's been launched internationally. Their streaming revenue was up three
percent to eight point three billion, So how does that

(28:49):
compare well, Netflix, they're still the king of the pile
two hundred and eighty two million subscribers around the world.
They got another five million in Q three alone, Peacock
three million. That's at thirty six. They added three million
to thirty six million subscribers. Disney up one percent to
one hundred and eighteen. Yard would have thought they'd be
wanting a bit better than that. I mean they're truly global.
Disney Hulu up a couple of percent to fifty one million.

(29:12):
The up numbers everyone's gaining, which seems like a good thing.
People want more streaming services. Only service to lose people
With Paramount they drop two point eight million down to
sixty eight million. Amazon don't have Q three numbers. They
set around a couple one hundred million around the world.
But if you've missed it and it's not that important,
doesn't really matter. The reason we don't have Max here

(29:33):
is they cut a deal with Sky and Sky will
roll out what MAX would have been, and that was
because Warner Brothers Discovery. If I can be reasonably blunt
about it, I don't think they're that interested in being
in this country forever, if not too much longer at all,
And it will be interesting to see how all that
plays out. David Seymour, where does this go off to

(29:58):
Select Committee? In debt? What's the point of that he's.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Next setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.
The Mic Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover, the la
designed to intrigue and use togs headb.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Well seven past seven. The Triety Principles Bill arrived at
Parliament yesterday, debated next week, then sent off to Select committee.
Nothing the government has done has created more ranks than this.
Of course, the act Party leaders behind it. David Seymore's
with us good morning, good morning mate. Is what we've
seen so far. Your inability to explain it clearly, or
they just don't like it, and that's that.

Speaker 17 (30:35):
Oh, I think it's very clear that more and more
people see this is an initiative that promotes equal rights.
In fact, if this country is about anything, it is
about the idea that no matter who you are or
where you're from, you get a fear go at life.
And the people that don't like it are simultaneously saying
that the debate is going nowhere, but also that it

(30:57):
must be stopped before it goes in. And that's because
ultimately we are democratizing the treaty. We're saying anyone can
have a say on our constitutional future. You won't be
shouted down because you're not an expert, or the you're
wrong kind of person, or you're racist or anything like that.
What we're seeing as people don't really know how to

(31:18):
respond to the Treaty being democratized.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
What I don't understand, and I think most people listening
to this would be on your side broadly speaking, having
read what you put forward yesterday wasn't dramatically different from
what you put forward in the first place. And I
think most of us understand that. You know, if we
can all be equal, that would be fantastic, and the
courts are interventionist and that's a problem. Here's the difficulty
you face. How is it you couldn't get National across

(31:42):
the line on this? Why is it dead? Essentially?

Speaker 17 (31:46):
I think the National Party are afraid of taking on
hard issues. That's why I never joined the National Party.
That's why I believe we need act. It is difficult
because over the last forty eight years since the Treaty
of White Tonguy Acts was passed, the courts, the White
Angu Tribunal and so on have built up this idea
that the Treaty is a partnership and therefore everything in

(32:07):
New Zealand becomes about your identity in which side of
the partnership you're on. How do you govern three waders?
As there a separate Maori Health authority? Is there going
to be different consultation rights under the Resource Management Act?

Speaker 20 (32:20):
Now?

Speaker 17 (32:20):
I think the National Party would say, oh, that we
got rid of all those things. My point is that
until we remove the underlying idea that our treaty is
a partnership between races and we each have a different
role in our society based on our background, those policies
will all be back in the stroke of the pen.
This is about a big, and I admit difficult debate

(32:42):
about whether our treaty gives us equal rights or a
role in a partnership where we're defined by identity. That's
the kind of thing that actors herefore other parties often aren't.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Would you accept that as it stands right now here
this morning, it's dead post the first reading.

Speaker 17 (33:00):
No, Because the other thing I know about other parties
is that are very responsive to public opinion, and they
may see that this debate is far more worthwhile and
far more constructive than anything that they've seen before. And
I say that Chris lux and every now and then,
look You're always welcome to get back aboard the wagon

(33:22):
if you'd like to, so that may happen. I also
just make the point. But if I'm completely wrong and
that never gets past the first reading, all that happens
is that we produce the idea that each New Zealander
has the right to have a say about their constitutional future.
And it's an equal rate. It's not something that is
the preserve of the courts, the White angu Tribune, all

(33:43):
the academics, the media, of the bureaucracy. Then we've actually
achieved something. And in the past you look at euthanasia
for example, the first bill was put up in nineteen
ninety five, got shot down in flames. No one thought
it would ever go anywhere. Twenty five, four years later
it became a loss. So you know, even if this

(34:04):
bill doesn't go all the way, the fact that people
are so opposed to it, even just having the discussion
tells you we need to have that discuss.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's the thing that worries me most of the people
that they won't even talk about having said that. When
you say what you just said, is it dead in
the sense that I see you running this in twenty
six Surely this is what this is about. Ultimately, well,
we'll see.

Speaker 17 (34:26):
Where this debate gets to. But one thing that we
certainly won't be giving up on is the idea that
each New Zealander is born free and equal, with the
same basic respect and dignity due to them. The idea
that some people get to say we're in partnership with
the crown, or where tongue to Fenela and your tongue
to Tavs. You know, my ultimate challenge to people who

(34:48):
oppose this bill is how is this world that you
want supposed to work? And where in the world has
dividing people up by their background being a success for
any society anywhere. You know, in many ways, I'd much
rather not be having this debate and talk about regulation
and education and balancing the budget and how to make
healthcare work with an aging population. Love to talk about

(35:10):
all that, but I put it to people that it's
going to be all the harder to overcome those challenges
when our underlying constitutional setting is that we have a
different role in society based on things that happen two
hundred years before the even born.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I appreciate your time, David Seymore. The Act Party lead
to twelve minutes past seven, passing Sea more spot on
regarding National wanting to tackle anything Maori, Mike, where do
we go to find the Treaty Principles as they stand now?
Late and they're everywhere? Go go wherever you get your
news from. Go jump on the Herald. I've got it
in front of me. It's take you forty five to
a minute to read Principal one, Principal two, Principal three.

(35:46):
It's simple to understand, Mike. National need to let the
people have a say and get a referendum going. No,
they don't. They can do whatever they like. Generally you
can have your say in an election, and whether or
not it becomes an election issue will be interesting to see, Mike.
Collectorald Seemore in the ACT Party you're on to a
winner introducing the Treaty Principles Bill. Many loyal National supporters
will give their vote at the next election to Act. Bob.

(36:08):
I don't know that you're right, I said yesterday. I
suspect you're right. But there was a lot of noise
around ACT last time about how good they were going
to do and how big they were and how well
they had campaigned, and yet their result on the night
was not that flash, I like in our conversation with
Mari in this country to what happened in America in
the last couple of days, and the left labor, the

(36:31):
Mari Party in general, certainly the Greens treat Marie as
a group. They're all the same. If you're Maori, you're Maori.
It's not possible for you to be anything other than Maray.
You're not individual, you're not different. You're not getting on
with life, you probably don't have a job. You're aggrieved,
you're angry, you're miserable. God forbid. You're actually just like
everybody else. And that probably is to the detriment of

(36:54):
us all but I suspect to the detriment of national
because I think there's a mood in this country around
this issue broadly that will benefit ACT well if they
prosecute it as they are currently doing. Fourteen past seven.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
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Speaker 2 (37:13):
A't be News Talks, it be Scott Robertson out of
Ireland for you in about fifteen minutes time. Sixteen past seven.
A lot of what next at the moment around the
New Truck presidency. Of course, corporates here with US links
have a lot to try and work out. Main Freight
Managing director Don Braid to give us an insight, Don
morning to you in morning monk the broad stuff. First,
how big is your operation in the US?

Speaker 22 (37:34):
Oh, we got nineteen hundred and fifty two people across
SADI branches will go close to nine hundred million US
and revenue this year, So you've.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Got a lot of to day. Do you see things
fundamentally changing or not?

Speaker 23 (37:53):
Then the short term, we're already seeing front loading by
customers around the world wanting to fill our warehouses with
product before supposed tariffs will be a plot. In the
long term, who knows, you know, we'll ride the wave.
If we get a stronger US economy that would be
good for the business within America for US. If tariffs

(38:16):
are on China product, then we might see less product
moving from China to America, but we'll be there and
wanting to take part.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
So your yours is an individual story. Because of course
we're coming at this from the New Zealand side of
the equation, so you would deal with Chinese product. The
argument is tariffs are about China, not about New Zealand.
Do you think that's fair?

Speaker 20 (38:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (38:37):
I do, although you know, all the rhetoric is that
he's going to apply tariffs to all imports, which you
know we've also got Europe to concern ourselves with as well, and.

Speaker 22 (38:48):
Then does you retaliate with tariffs.

Speaker 23 (38:50):
Of their own? So that becomes a bit of a
bidding war. But for us, if you've got a stronger economy,
then you were likely to get more importance as a consequence.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Well, you make a very good point. I mean we
already have a world of tariffs for goodness sake. I mean,
look at the Brandy and the cows, and the evs
and the China and the EU. At the moment, can
you manage tariffs and simply get on with life? They
are what they are?

Speaker 20 (39:15):
Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 23 (39:17):
And you know, maybe they become an inflationary product for
the American economy, but you know, people still want to
buy product is not necessary, not all product that they
consume as manufactured in America. So if tariffs are applied,
they'll apply the pricing cress.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
And from our point of view, how many products do
you think could stand the tariff and still do well? See,
I think of top end wine, the very best cut
of beef. New York. People on the Upper East Side
will pay anything in a tariff doesn't make any difference,
or am I being delusional?

Speaker 23 (39:52):
I think you're right, Although it's interesting. We do do
a lot of beverage and it's beverage that's pre low
those warehouses right now, so clearly they want that product
in the market well before. If there's the tariff to
be a plot.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Give us the Dawn Braid view of the world right now.
How messy is it?

Speaker 6 (40:13):
Ah?

Speaker 23 (40:13):
Yes, messy as economic recessions, but said it's still exciting
and we still didn't business and we've got up this
morning and they had an expresso.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Still fun. You can't argue with that. I like you're
inside Don Braid, the main freight managing director. Yes, as
I say, raiser for you from Ireland. We'll do the
week with Tim and Katie after eight Mike, why can't
those who identify as Murray also celebrate their Irish kuption?
That's what I'm trying to say. In treating as the
Democrats did, blacks as blacks, Spanish as Spanish, Latinos as Latinos,

(40:46):
you miss the point. You don't talk to people as
a block. Demography does not lead to democracy, as Kelly
and Conway so eloquently put it on election night, and
I think many, including Labor, the Greens and the Murray
Party are making the same mistake in this country with Murray.
Let's mark the week in a moment. Seven twenty.

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little piece of news and current events that so quite

(42:13):
often produces more tears than an NCEEA exam. Germany two
governments collapsed to Ireland six they'd call the vote. The
Americans eight spoke with a rare clarity around a singular
idea called trumpsm Georgia six Democracy one in a place
it doesn't always trump. Nine We also have.

Speaker 15 (42:33):
Won the popular vote hours great.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
As profound a redemption and comeback story as you will
ever see the All Blacks eight awesome start of the
Northern Tour proper ah, No we don't count Japan next
op Ireland, which is not the same as England can
be bad knocks seven.

Speaker 9 (42:49):
Did be Foreign Secretary.

Speaker 8 (42:50):
Take that opportunity to apologize for making derogatory and scatological references.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
First out this week in PMQ. She looks quite the package.
Boris Johnson seven dude, enjoyable and on his way here.
Politics aside, the world needs more irrepressible and brilliant people
like him. Mike Grimshaw seven, hero of the week, spoke
honestly and given the times bravely when he talked of
universities needing to be more elite. Auckland FC eight a

(43:21):
sensational story, barely formed. Haven't lost, can't score against them?
The Ird two got the apology at last, but honestly,
how they could even begin to justify taking private information
and flicking it off to Facebook is beyond me. Infrastructure
six good week. Two tunnels for Wellington progress and Auckland
for a second harbour crossing. But talking ain't building cars.

(43:41):
Six because October's sales were some of the best this year, unless,
of course, you sell the evs a job. Six because
it wasn't as bad as they thought. I reckon the
whole landscape's changing. No, we're not rock star, but it's
not as dreary as some might have thought. Speaking of
which houses seven well blow me down new stats the
week first home buyers are paying lesson getting more, not

(44:02):
the miserable old I'm locked out story. So many want
to make it out to be. And that's the week
copies on the website and six of these tired together,
twisted around, colored and dipped in glitter make an awesome
Christmas Decyhasky Mike for National voters could be argued that
twenty three was about ensuring labor was out national inn
twenty six can be about finessing the mix. Not a

(44:23):
bad point, I'll likett the cut of your jib on that, Mike.
You cannot reverse a treaty just because you don't like it.
Seymour needs to suck it up. K you're right and
you're wrong. You make a very valid, valid and credible point,
but you are wrong. No one's touching the treaty. And
this is where it behooves Seymour to explain himself as
clearly as he possibly can. Read the principles he's talking about.

(44:43):
They're clean, they're clear, they're simple. He's not rewriting the treaty.
He's not touching the treaty. The treaty doesn't change, and
that becomes very clear in the principles. The point he
makes is if you don't like things being mucked with,
why you're putting up with the court Because the courts
are mucking with it and they're doing that all the time.

(45:04):
So what Mary can do is hire a lawyer get
the courts to interfere with it. But they don't like it.
When God forbid, the rest of the New Zealand has
a say, and that's what they're trying to, among other things, rectify.
So understand the problem before we start going down the track,
and that that whole misinformation thing is probably in part
anyway what's going to ultimately undo them. Let's talk about

(45:26):
Rugby Ireland. Peak of the Tour, as far as I
can work out, doesn't get better than Ireland. Scott Robertson
is next.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
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Speaker 2 (45:45):
Togs Head been Jim McAdie after a twenty three minutes
away from e So this weekend for the all Blacks,
we have Ireland last time we met was the World Cup,
of course, where we won, which was a very big
deal given they were favorites at the time. The All
Black coach, Scott Robertson is with us good morning after
there from here and now we have not talked since
the Northern Tour began. Are you enjoying it? Is it
going well?

Speaker 6 (46:07):
Yeah, it's been a good start. Obviously, going through Japan
set us up for the England game in heav everything
testaments pretty goes down to the only a few moments
we put enough pressure on them to you know, them
to stop their drop goal and had enough opportunities for ourselves,
you linkquick. And it's been a hell of a start.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
What's the vibe in terms of coverage of you in
that part of the world after England? Are you taking
as seriously do you think as an All Black squad
as you always have been?

Speaker 6 (46:37):
Oh, mane, it's huge, It's Irish. You know, this is
a massive weekend for them. You know obviously what happened
in the quarterfinal and you know they took a series
minus of us there before, and so there's a there's
a lot in it, you know, like you know fortnight
at Viva you know the crowd with six guinnessism and

(46:57):
it's going to be a hell of an atmosphere. But
we certainly a lot of media and the.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
High around the niggle that we talk of is it
real or not? Really, it's real.

Speaker 6 (47:07):
It's real and it's good. Like the personalities and the
stories and behind it just adds to the flavor of
the occasion. You know, it just mu's footy and up
till probably what seven eight years ago. You know, New
Zealand the all back city the number for a long
period of time, but you know it's five and five.
The last teen matches have split them. We've split them

(47:29):
in and now you know they're the real deal Island
top ranking and they've got everything in place, their processes
around all from their age groups, schools right through up
to their professional levels.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
It's because you get in the will that sort of
answers my question. What is that your assessment of why
they are where they are now.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
Yeah, it's a massive part of it. Good good coaching,
consistent coaching, pathways, aligned, good com chitians and they play
and you know their own USC but also the European
Cups that they played some big teams and they've had
a consistency of players, you know, a lot of experienced

(48:11):
players to stet together for a long period of time,
joining sixtems obviously the obvious one that paid a lot
of test experience when it's test footy on most days
and they've got a lot of it in they're a
tight group.

Speaker 17 (48:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
What what's the difference between when you were there and
you were playing and what they do now by way
of a system. Has it changed dramatically?

Speaker 6 (48:35):
Yeah, there's a lot really official, really aligned. Like when
I was over here, paid for pip even you know,
I mean au touring with the All Blacks. I remember
we're down. I think we're down twenty points in the
first few minutes and Jonas score try. I turned around
and we put twenty on them. But those days have gone,
you know, you know they're still in all of you

(48:58):
all backs in regards to the history, but on field
is a lot tighter. It is all top six six
to eight teams and we're drug it's only one called plays.
There's small margins. Things have even up along it. But
less exciting part, you know, how do you how do
you find waste to win these games? Is the key?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
How are you feeling about the tour itself, because as
far as Northern tours go, it's a good tour, isn't it?
Because England and Ireland other teams, they're the ones you
want to play and you throw in France that's not
a bad mix.

Speaker 10 (49:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Yeah. The calendar when you throw it, the most just
mentioned is everybrade fourteen and then you get this, you know,
the Northern Tour. You know we're forty days away between
three days into it and you and you go back
to back to back and you are away. You know,
I think we're sixty percent maybe even more percent percentages
you know all bex per Way tests. You know we've

(49:49):
had five at homen and nine away. Yeah, it's just
part of the game, you know. You when you winning
percentages is great and you pay away that adds to it.
And you know we're excited about tomorrow night and the occasion.
You know, the leader has been great and there's part
of going north. You know, when you sit at the
bottom of the world and your name's then tactically you
do a lot bit that is true.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Is the weather a factor at all? Is it cold
and miserable and dark at two o'clock in the afternoon.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
Well we saw some two days in a row. This
is tropical now it's not. It's look, there's big bit
agrees on the ball, twking them last week seventeen degrees
is unbelievable. We couldn't you know. We're training with a
little bit of water on the ball and all week
and it turned out a beauty day. But it don't
be a natural bit of grecius. It might be a

(50:35):
little bit more kicking. But both teams will play, you know,
they're they're like short passing games, so it'd be entertaining.
But the weather's played this part so far.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Each week we have when when you're not on, we
have a player and I asked the player about their
view of you, and Patrick Tuvalodo was on last week.
Every one of them has said they like your sense
of humor. A they like you, but but they like
your sense of humor. Is that is that part of
what you brought to the camp.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
It's ice to hear no I said that all the
players have them anyway, I'm just myself. I think I
think as long as they say that and they understand that,
the sea humans backed up by understanding the game professional
and helping them be better, you know, getting the best
out of themselves and caning environment where they can perform.
And I suppose that the humor on the side is
that's just me. I'm a people person. I enjoy being around,

(51:21):
having a company and the gift the rugbyws you get
together and even I've got your talents and you come
together as a team. So it's nice to hear.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
What about the psychology of the tour. I don't want
to get ahead of it, but I mean this is
this is the pinnacle. Isn't Islands the pinnacle France can
be brilliant, but then again they might not be. And
then you've got Italy. Do you worry that psychologically you
can get past this people are going to go a
bit soft?

Speaker 20 (51:43):
No.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
I think my focus has been today, in the week
in front of us, because you can start looking to
down the track and it you know, you want to
start looking too early at Christmas. You want you want
to make sure that you get what's in front of
you right, the week right, and that's it because then
you get to get the night right and the performances
and enjoy it. Like we we talked a little bit

(52:04):
around the Invincibles. They do were away from nine months
one hundred years ago, so you've got to put a
little bit in context. A lot has changed. Yeah, they
went up in the front of the plane there in
the back of the boat, you know. So you know
we're you know, we're grateful for the opportunities as well,
when you know we've got to telling them pre preceding
and serving a great country. So we put a bit
of perspective in it.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Fantastic, Go well mate, Scott Robinson with us, Mike, I
got Ireland winning first half to Leah and Will Jordan
try a score all Blacks coming through the win by
five more points. Go the all Blacks, Mike. That was
a fabulous and to be the Scott Roberson eloquent and
engaging with the incredible insights nearly really never really heard
him speak before. Glad you liked it.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Sixteen too The Mic Asking Breakfast a full show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
It'd be Mike Graves is a breath of fresh air,
genuine and authentic. I got bits with mates that we
go five so I hope so. But as I say,
as I asked him about I think you know the
French if you beat the Irish, you're feeling good about
the French, and you're looking forward to Christmas, and you
probably want to go down to Harod's and do some
shopping because you've got the Italians next, and you're not
concentrating Ore David's assessment Mike of the problem, we go

(53:09):
back to Seymour is correct. His solution is poor and
not well thought through. Though we need to first build
a common understanding or a common way to talk about this. Well.
The counter argument to that is, how do you do
that when half the people who are march on Parliament
next week as endorsed by the Labor Party don't want
to talk about it. They don't want to have anything
to do with it. You're wrong, doesn't matter what you say.

(53:29):
You can say anything you like. You're wrong, Mike. I
likes Seamore's eloquent and concise. I agree with them that
national walk on eggshells around Maury. Are you wrong, Mike?
I'm backing seymon X's election because this is going to
be huge. I don't think so. I hope it is.
I don't think it will be, though. I think it'll
be an issue. I don't think it's what people make
it out to be. It should be, and you'd like

(53:50):
to think it could be, but I don't think in
reality it will be. Mike Seymour. One of the things
about this country is where we're blase, where complacent as
a nation. That's just our sort of our fallback position.
If we can have a weekend with a beer and
a barbecue and sort of forget about everything that suits us. Fine.
Principle one, let me just go through. Just just let

(54:10):
me go you. Principle one, Principle two, Principle three. Really,
Principal one. Executive Government of New Zealand has full power
to govern, and the Parliament of New Zealand has full
power to make laws a in the best interests of
everyone and be in accordance with the rule of law
and the maintenance of a free and democratic society. Problem
so far. Principal two One, The Crown recognizes and will

(54:30):
respect and protect the rights that Hapu Andiwi Mari had
under the Treaty of Waitangi at the time they signed it. Two. However,
if those rights differ from the rights of everyone else.
Subclause one applies only if those rights were agreed in
a settlement of an historic treaty claim under the Treaty
Waitangyak nineteen seventy five, Principal three one Everyone is equal

(54:52):
before the law. Two. Everyone is entitled without discrimination to
a the equal protection and equal benefit of the law,
and b the equal enjoyment of the same fundamental human rights.

Speaker 24 (55:02):
Hang on, So you had A one, A two, and
A and a B.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
A one and a two and an A and a
B and a principal one two and three.

Speaker 24 (55:08):
I've forgotten what we were talking.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
And there it is. And that's that's the beginning, the middle,
and the end of it. That's what that's what got introduced,
that's what will be debated, that's what's going off to
the Silic committee. Where's the problem? What's as short of
you being blinded and you being determined? And the counter
argument for all the people who have texted and go,
explain to me what the opposition is, I can do
it really really simply. The opposition is predicated on the

(55:32):
idea that if you're a race based person I identify
as may, you deserve different treatment. You deserve to be
at the front of the line, you deserve a special
seat to special vote, more money, different money cause you're
different and you deserve to be treated. That's the opposition.
So the opposition is to everyone's the same. No, we
don't like being the same. We don't want to be

(55:52):
the same. We want to be different and special and
more important with the accouterments that come with that. And
that's your argument. The beginning, middle, and end simple is
that tearth away.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
The with the range river the line we're.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
As steven away from a got an issue in christ
Urich Council, steering down a six and a half million
dollar problem. That's the price that key We Rail have
put on safety improvements to Haut cycle away. Now the
crossing poses are one in one thousand and three year risk.
I've seen this injury or death. At no point, by
the way, does the one and a half killometer cycle
away cross the tracks. So now they're facing closure anyway

(56:28):
the city council Aaron kewans with us, Aaron, Morning.

Speaker 20 (56:32):
Morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
So literally where is this? A is this on railway land?
Hence they've got some sort of say in this.

Speaker 20 (56:40):
No, the problem is we're near the crossing, like you
said in the lead, And what triggers these upgrades nowadays
is if you bring any new people to a crossing point.
So if there was already one thousand people a day
crossing there, that's that's all good. But if you go
to one thousand and five, you've now triggered an upgrade,

(57:01):
or you've brought new people to the area, so and
so forth. So we then have to pay for the
upgrade because we put the infrastructure there that drew the
people in.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
What's the upgrade required if you were going to spend
six and a half million dollars, what would you build.

Speaker 20 (57:16):
I'm assuming for that much money. They're meaning the whole
gate system that allows pedestrians and stuff to go in
and out through there, which is kind of odd because
the cyclists aren't crossing there. No, Like you said, you
don't even go over this level crossing, you go beside it.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
What's the trigger point in getting how close there must
be a trigger point if you were if you're not
crossing it, you must be close, like within five meters
you're close enough to trigger it. Is that how that works?

Speaker 20 (57:44):
No, My understanding is that other people are going to
go across it. And the number we heard from some
of the local kids and stuff the other day is
that three people now use that crossing to get onto
the cycle way, So.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
That one hundred and three year, it's not like a
storm at one in one hundred years storm, is it
the one thousand and three that's the three that triggers
it to be a problem.

Speaker 20 (58:07):
I don't know people do, But that modeling that one
in one thousand year is that when you take all
of the deaths every year and you're divide it by
how many things and how many people are crossing, that's
the number you come up with. But only just when
you look at level crossings across the whole country. It's
only three point one people a year killed at level crossings.

(58:27):
Other people die walking on tracks and other things like that,
But at level crossings where all these upgrades are, and
there's thousands needed across the country, going to treat them
like this, So now you're talking kings and billions of dogs.
You might as well shut railway.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
What are you going to do about this? Apart from
putting well there.

Speaker 20 (58:44):
Film majors written to the appropriate ministers, I think the
real suggestion is getting them actually down onto the site
to have a little bit of the site and go
how ludicrous.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Are you dealing with? Someone going from Wellington.

Speaker 20 (58:57):
Yeah, Yeah, we're dealing with with were types at the
moment don't seem to want to. They don't want to
help us cellate outcome.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
All right, Well we'll stay in touch with us. That's
a cool job, isn't it? In life writing to Kiwi
Rail dealing with crap like that. It's just a lot
of the people use that track, by the way, to
go to Limard High, which is the old Elma Marta,
which by the way, is not called Limit High anymore
because they all went woke and changed it. But some

(59:26):
of us who went.

Speaker 24 (59:28):
Still, how was it not called the Husking Memorial High?

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Question of the morning, Glynn Pearl Jam tonight, Mike, I
coun't wait. Pearl Jam and Kendrick Lamar have been going
to a lot of concerts lately. But I'll tell you
what is pearl Jam even a thing anymore? How many
will they sell on this news for you? In a
couple of moments. Then we'll do the week with Tim

(59:53):
and Katie.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,
like Costing, Breakfast with a Vita, Retirement, Communities, Life your Way, News, Trogs,
Dead Be.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
There's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
A girl Raine got taken twenty five, twenty four. They
do a range, so as expected, and your own Power
will speak within the half hour and give us his
dissertation as to what he reckons is going on in
the world as he sees it at the moment. Now
have a listen to this. There's no your blind tastes

(01:00:33):
this when he There's no question as to who it
would be. Fourteenth studio album, first completely new material in
sixteen years, and they thought they'd do it five years ago.
But very much like the NZTA, it takes a bit
longer than your thought, so they're running late on it.
There are only eight songs. It has suggested it's a

(01:00:56):
high watermark and matches eighty nine's disintegration. Is this alone?

Speaker 10 (01:01:06):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
This is a war song. Well alone sets the pace
with its dense wells of synth, simple pound in drums,
and kind of link you building intro that the band
perfected on some of the best songs. The intro's three
minutes long.

Speaker 24 (01:01:23):
Yeah, all the song is going to have quite long intros.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
That's because the songs are quite long themselves.

Speaker 24 (01:01:29):
In I Don't mind it, no one asked you, okay, sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Ten and a half minutes is track eight. There's nothing.
There's certainly no two thirties in here. What's here?

Speaker 10 (01:01:42):
What do you call it? War?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
War Song? The Cure? Four minutes seventeen you picked the childre' strack.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Young visually A Week in Review with two degrees, fighting
for fair for Kiwi business, Wilson's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Well us long with Kate Hawk's be good morning you two,
Good morning.

Speaker 25 (01:01:57):
Jeez a que is not the only one with long intros.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
That's very true, Very good, tim very good. If you
want to work on this program, you're just going to
be nice to me. That's the new Trump rule. You've
got to be nice to the most of the boss.
That's how it works.

Speaker 26 (01:02:10):
Sorry, you were going to say, I was just going
to say, I'm you glad you're not on the States?
Aren't you glad that that decision was the right decision.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
I thought it was a very good decision to make
before the week, and by the end of the week,
as I watched those dreadful, poor souls in the quad
in the middle of Washington, I thought I would rather
shoot myself than be.

Speaker 26 (01:02:27):
Therey sixteen all over again, wasn't it? I mean it
was textp Well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
The only difference The only difference was in twenty sixteen.
Although many people, including myself, predicted Trump would win, that
was not the popular view. And in that room that
night in sixteen, there was no question Clinton would win,
whereas this time there was a question mark. It was
kind of yep, she probably would.

Speaker 26 (01:02:51):
It's funny because I reckon, this is a good lesson.
This whole thing is a good lesson for mainstream media,
because you know, we've got many of our children listen
to no legacy media whatsoever. They all their media from
independent citizen journalism, and they were interestedly saying, especially one
of my sons had a bet with me that Trump.
He did not believe the polls were as close as
mainstream media was saying, and he was adamant that Trump

(01:03:14):
was going to win the lot of the popular vote
the elect and I was just like, there's no way,
and so he wanted me to bow and scrape and apologize.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Of course.

Speaker 26 (01:03:21):
But it's interesting message because traditional legacy media is so
used to taking all its cues from left leaning politicians
and governments that they have all become as an ecosystem.
So in their own echo chamber, they are completely out
of touch with the real world, and I hope that
we learned the lesson here our media. Yeah they won't, sadly,

(01:03:42):
But I mean it's a good lesson, isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
It if you want to learn it. All lessons are
good if you want to learn them. And that's the
key to lessons. You've got to want to learn them,
and that's the difficulty. I was think about that. Funnily enough,
just a moment ago is watching in Australian television this morning,
they're running the pictures from yesterday's protest outside of Parliament
on this treaty thing. There were about four and a
half people there, and I thought, that's not a protest,
and it's not every time a few dozen people.

Speaker 26 (01:04:06):
You market yesterday, Yeah, and there was, you know, there's
like four people with a flag.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
It's yeah, it's like the mode make it. Unfortunately, are
so rote they don't know how to cover and use
the way it should be covered these days, which is
if there's a protest, we must cover it. The fact
there's four people there doesn't negate that, and you know,
no one then goes, hey, this isn't actually a story.
Let's stop now and start again, and so it goes
it's it's it's the difficulty.

Speaker 26 (01:04:30):
There used to be the bart slipped so low in
the media.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
That used to be the role.

Speaker 26 (01:04:33):
When I started out as a reporter moons and moons ago.
If you came back with footage that was like four people,
that would be straight in the burin. But we're not
running that. There's no way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
That's unfortunately, resource thing these days, and once they commit
to yeah, once they commit a resource to a thing,
it needs to be covered, come hell or high water.
And that's that's where, in part anyway, it's gone wrong.

Speaker 25 (01:04:52):
Can we talk about the one person who lost the
election that no one's talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Who was that? Taylor Swift.

Speaker 17 (01:05:00):
And the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
US selection all celebrities.

Speaker 26 (01:05:04):
They've got to stop. They've got to realize, Hollywood elite,
how sick of them we are. And people don't want
to hear what they think. I love how George Clooney
is now being blamed for losing it.

Speaker 27 (01:05:15):
I thought I thought you had a great editorial mic
actually about that earlier this week, at the risk of
having to sort of, you know, stuck up to you
and be nice to you as the new rules, but
really excellent. It was actually a there's a survey of
study done in North Carolina State University saying that young
people actually they didn't like celebrities telling them who to

(01:05:36):
vote for. They actually went off They went off that
candidate a bit more, and they actually ended up going
off the celebrities. So I think that's going to be
a bit of question.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Because I read a very interesting article yesterday that was
asking the question did the celebrity endorsement thing actually damage
the campaign? They couldn't conclude whether it did or not,
but you suggest that it probably did, and I would
tend to agree. But it also goes back to what
I've always said, and that is there's nothing wrong with
Taylor Swift or Richie mccaugh or George Clooney or anybody

(01:06:06):
you like, as long as they stay in their lane.
You love them for who they are, not for whatever
else it is in their life. I mean, I love Lebron, Yeah,
because he's Lebron. I couldn't care less who he votes for,
and I'm not interested vote for either, I mean, just
play basketball.

Speaker 25 (01:06:21):
Well, celebrity has actually emerged once they started chopping their
heads off aristocrats and the French Revolution. So that's where
that I mean, we need people to look up to.
But they are a particular kind. It's a particular kind
of admiration. We don't expect, as you say, we don't
expect them. If we want a king, we'll.

Speaker 20 (01:06:38):
Go to the king.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
By Coastal elites is what somebody called them, and I
thought that's a good way of putting it. In Middle America,
and you've been there more than anyone else. To in
Middle America, it is not Los Angeles and it's not
New York. And they you know, yeah, they like their songs.
But apart from that, what they talk out, they would
have a clue and.

Speaker 26 (01:06:55):
That it's a new era for Hollywood elites. They don't
look up to it. You know, when we were growing
they may have been icons. We might have gone swooned
and thought they were cool. These days, they look at
the p Diddy scandal, the Weinstein scandal, the Epstein scandals,
and they're like, they don't have any regard for Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
They think they're just a bunch of extra exact, very
good point and a life lesson from a famous person
they talked to yesterday. Do you want to know who
I talked to yesterday?

Speaker 10 (01:07:17):
How was that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
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Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
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Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
The Weekend Review with two degrees bringing smart business solutions
to the table. I, unfortunately, Katie, had a couple of
people in the studio during the news and they gave
me a cap.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
And I said the difficulty in They said will you
wear it? And I said, I'd love to, but my
wife says, I've got the world's biggest head. And I looked, hey,
that's not just me.

Speaker 26 (01:07:57):
The kids agree, and they've said they've told you the
same thing when you wear caps. But wait a minute,
what sort of this isn't a mega hat or anything,
is it.

Speaker 24 (01:08:03):
It's a megahead, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
It's not a mega hat, it's a what It's a
white Ferns cap, an official white Ferns cap. And the
White Ferns are of course, of the World champs. And
they came in to see me with their trophy and
they gave me a cap and I and they said
will They said will you wear it? And I said,
I really really really want to just put it on
now and I don't want to go. I see. I see,

(01:08:27):
I said my wife, what's the problem. My wife says,
I've got.

Speaker 10 (01:08:31):
The take it off.

Speaker 24 (01:08:32):
Take it off, take it off, take it off, take
it off.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
It sounds like take it off. SAMs looking at me, going,
how cool are you?

Speaker 26 (01:08:39):
Take it off?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
It's fantastically I'm going to keep it. If I put
it on backwards, how does that look? No, don't do
that's worse anyway from giving you caps. I don't know
what to do because I want I want to be
patriotic and I want to support the White Ferns and
I want to be part of the World Championship team.

(01:09:00):
But I don't want to look rude.

Speaker 25 (01:09:02):
Yeah, get a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Get it, We're a white T shirt.

Speaker 20 (01:09:08):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Today two life lessons about age. So I'm at Gregg's
place getting the hair cut every third Thursday. So Gregg's
just coming back from his injury because he's the same
age I am. He fell over ice skating and he's
just coming back take weeks of rehab. And he said
one of the things all the medicos and stuff have
talked to him about is doing certain activities when you

(01:09:28):
reach a certain age, which is a good lesson in life.
He said, he'd go ice skating again, even though he's
almost sixty. This was with his kids, right, he went
I skating. He didn't have a couple of bebes and
go out ice skating. He took his kids ice skirt
so anyway, he fractured his shoulder and he'd be stretched
a couple of attendants.

Speaker 26 (01:09:47):
Anyway, it's taken embarrassing for the child when dad takes
you ice skating and falls over and just about requires
an ambulance, that's embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
That's what's funny. I was just talking to Jason about that.
Jason's off to a Christmas function tonight and with the
whole family. It's one of those whole family work functions,
and it's at a place where he could do things
that would embarrass him given his age in size, but
the kids would love it. And it's entirely possible he
could end up injured tonight. And so that's a good warning, Katie, thank.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
You for that.

Speaker 10 (01:10:16):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Yeah, he should think about that. The other one was
and anyway, so it's what stuff do you keep doing
at a certain age knowing if it goes wrong, you'll
struggle to get back to normality. And I thought that
was a good life lesson there.

Speaker 26 (01:10:30):
You can still cut your hair though that's the main
well exactly Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Then I was talking with Jamie Oliver and he and
I was following that off the floor, yeah, I said,
I said, I said, Jamie, what about the car the
other day? He was auctioning off an old Ford Capri
mark one and you don't know about this, Katie, but
I put a couple of bids on it. And I said,
how did that go in the end? And he told

(01:10:55):
me what happened, et cetera, et cetera. And I said,
why why are you getting rid of it? And he goes,
I've reached an age where I just don't want stuff.
And I thought, now that's now that's another life lesson
because I feel the same thing that the yeah, I'm
sick of stuff. Stuff's irrelevant. You don't need stuff. We
just divest ourselves of stuff. And he's already doing it,
and I thought that that that that's that's worth listening
to and learning as well.

Speaker 25 (01:11:15):
But are you aren't you a big divestor anyway or
saw have you? You seem like a thrower outer like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
We don't I throw out, but I then bring back
in other stuff. Oh oh, I see I rotate, so
my net my net is zero. But I really should
be going backwards in terms of stuff.

Speaker 26 (01:11:35):
Yeah, but you hoarde certain things, so you're a sort
of minimalist. But when it comes to things like care
or fragrance or cashmere uses marino, you seem to have
a mountain of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
It without wanting to sound like a complete You know what,
My fragrance collection is a good example of that, isn't
it my fragrance collection?

Speaker 25 (01:11:55):
You already sound like that person.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
You've already sound. I'm just that, you know, well, because
well because I can't believe that shouldn't.

Speaker 25 (01:12:03):
You shouldn't you be shouldn't you be clearing away the foiballs?
Shouldn't you be refining yourself?

Speaker 10 (01:12:09):
Ye're so sure?

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
And that's that's the Janie olidays Greg the haircut a
lesson in life. It's it's learn as you go and
constantly look to improve yourself. And one of those things
is to divest yourself properly of junk.

Speaker 25 (01:12:22):
So that you know that you can can I offer
another piece of advice for self improvement? Yes, so you
were you were commenting on a text yesterday It said, oh,
we're going to end up in Washington during the inauguration.
You're like, oh, just tell them you planned it. You
realize there are kids listening. You realize that this is
how parents operate, and you've let the cat out of

(01:12:44):
the bag. You've let them all down exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Sorry, can you not do that? My apologies has just
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(01:14:06):
is going to be on the program next week. It's
a very nice interview. Even if I do say so myself, Mike,
I feel for your hairdresser as I fractured my right
shoulder seven weeks ago. Well, I hope the rehab's going. Well,
he's still going. He's a bit short on one side,
and hence I got wonky here this week.

Speaker 10 (01:14:18):
But there you go.

Speaker 24 (01:14:19):
It's amazing you're not falling over all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Exactly, Mike, U has Christmas events in November. Well, the
answer is, you know, without giving a labor company, one
of the largest companies in the country, and thousands of
people and lots of people are into it. Kit with
the spirit, you're miserable, sod Mike. I'll get you a
Teams Valley Swamp Fox's cap that will fit perfectly. Please, Scott.
I need more caps because I'm led to believe that

(01:14:42):
I'm a bit of a hottie and a cap news
for news moments. And then Murray Alt.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
The Breakfast Show. You can trust the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with the range Rover, the la designed to intrigue and
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Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
He had a fantastic wife there, Mike, two hundred percent
agree with Katie. I agree with you Hosking. Men need stuff.
You should have a British bike in an Aston Martin
by now, thank you, Paul.

Speaker 24 (01:15:14):
Many perfumes though, that's the question.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
I've got a lot of perfumes morning, Mike. Are we
will they not perfumes there out of puff Whom's morning, Mike,
are we going to get an update this Friday regarding
Liam laws? And I love your views. It helps me
understand if one yes, Brian, I do have an update
in just a couple of moments, but not before we
hear from the Fed who have cut and the main
man Jpal.

Speaker 21 (01:15:34):
Inflation has used significantly over the past two years. Total
PCE praces rose two point one percent over the twelve
months ending at September. Excluding the viotal food and energy categories,
core PC prices rose two point seven percent. Overall, inflection
has moved much closer to our two percent longer run goal,

(01:15:56):
but core inflection remains somewhat elevated. Longer termed flesh and
expectations appear to remain well anchored, as a reflected in
a broad range of surveys of households, businesses and forecasters,
as well as measures from financial.

Speaker 18 (01:16:10):
Markets, International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
I've heard he's quite an entertainment of the feared Christmas party.
Murray Olds, how are you well?

Speaker 14 (01:16:22):
Veggued?

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
Pretty well?

Speaker 10 (01:16:23):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
This happened fairly rapidly. I mean the whole thing's been
a complete cluster if you go back to the original story,
and that was that the whole bunch of people in
the country shouldn't be in the country, and they went
to court, and because they were in the country and
couldn't get booted out somewhere, the court decided you needed
to release them, So out into the community they went,
and then started rampaging around the place because half of
them were crooks. Then we go back to court with

(01:16:45):
another person finding it's unconstitutional to have an ankle bracelet,
so we've got to whip those off. So not only
are they free raping and pillaging, they don't even aim
an ankle bracelet anymore. All of this is the government's
fault because they didn't see it coming and they didn't
do anything about it. So now they've tried to fix
with the quick law. Is that going to work.

Speaker 14 (01:17:01):
Well, you've summed it up pretty well and the government's
pretty confident that it can circumvent what the High Court
ruled this week. The High Court says it's not for
governments to impose punishments on people, right, so you can't
put curfews on these illegal immigrants. You can't make them
wear ankle bracelets to track their movements. But the governments

(01:17:23):
come back within twenty four hours in a drafted new
legislation that basically said, well listen, there's not a punishment
of the individuals. This is more about protecting society. Now
will that fly with the High Court? Not sure, But
it's quite a complex bit of rushed legislation because in
the detail there the thing is that and as you

(01:17:46):
point out, I mean these people who have been released,
they do include people are convicted of murder, attempted murder,
sexual assault, and.

Speaker 27 (01:17:53):
A whole lot more on.

Speaker 14 (01:17:54):
This of course is a bat for the opposition to
just wail away against the government. So what the new
powers do was said a condition where the Australian government
can go to another country and say, would you agree
to accept people who have been released from immigration detention
if we pay you. Well, it could be any country,
could be in New Zealand, could be the United States,
but good luck in both of those cases. So the

(01:18:16):
government is pretty confident Mike that it's got around the
High Court decision. What's it really mean? Long term? Has
still got the issue of these people who are in
basically in limbo because they don't have anywhere to go.
They can't be sent back to their country of origin
because you know, for fear of persecution and the like,

(01:18:37):
and there's nowhere else to go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Yeah, but here's your problem. I mean, obviously Britain had
the Rwanda situation which got tied up in courts forever.
Italy has got the I've forgotten the name. Where are
they seeing the Algeria I think anyway, the point being
that's tied up in court as well. But I mean,
how is it you get when you say you can't
send them back to where they came. These are murderers
and rapists and pillagers. Why can't you so get they

(01:18:59):
get persecuted? He do they're murderers and rapists and pillages.

Speaker 14 (01:19:03):
Well, look fab for me to comment on you know,
basically human rights. You know human rights law. There's any
number of lawyers here who will stand up and make
the case for these people to be at least afford
the protection in the same way that Australia would never
send about. New Zealand would never send a person back
to a country where they could face capital punishment, where

(01:19:25):
they could be executed for crime. So that's where it
goes to Now. It's a very complicated situation, as you
well appreciate, and there's no easy solutions here. I mean,
whatever government's here, Coalition under Dutton or Labor under Elbow,
they're going to have the same problem and there's no
easy answer to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Albania is one the country is trying to think oft
with Lily. Now listen, this is this depresses me because
we all know about New Zealand as leading New Zealand
for Australia. But I mean, this immigration problem, You've got
your promised you could tail and you're not going to.
But New Zealand is the article I'm reading. A whole
lot students come here, want to stay. New Zealander is
leaving their weak economy in search of a job in Australia.

(01:20:06):
So yeah, that's why. But you can't stop us. I mean,
that's the problem. If you're looking to try and curtail
immigration numbers, you can't stop New Zealanders arriving in Australia
the way you can with other countries.

Speaker 14 (01:20:16):
Well, it's true, exactly right. There's a special agreement between
the two trans Tasman neighbors. And it was interesting this
week because it was the Secretary of Treasury Stephen Kennedy
was giving some evidence to a Senate inquiry and he
basically said, listen, immigration is out of control. That was
standing with the government's trying to do. You've got a

(01:20:38):
lot of students who are here, are applying for longer visas,
a lot of graduate holders which have almost doubled. These
are people who have completed degrees are looking to stay
on as well. And the big surprise came that there
are seven hundred and twenty thousand New Zealanders over here
currently looking for jobs. And that was the quote from Kennedy,
the Treasury boss. He said, the weak New Zealand economy

(01:21:00):
with unemployment increasing to four point eight percent over home
in New Zealand, he said, guess what more keys are
coming here looking for work. And there's a lot of
anger here about migration. We've got a housing crisis, congestion
on the roads and public transport, the whole changing face
of Australia mic and you don't have to look very
far I E. Washington, d C. To see the role
that you know, uncontrolled immigration played and Donald Trump's win, correct,

(01:21:24):
that's going to play out here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Speaking of which, how Orkies does it get when old
keV has to go.

Speaker 14 (01:21:31):
Oh, I laughed like a bloody drain. I've forgotten about
Kevin Rudd, you know, venting his little spleen. I'm looking
for the quotes here. Trump the most destructive president in history,
a traded to the West, a man who drags America
and democracy through the mud. This is the Australian ambassador
to Washington. So of course he was frequently fratically going

(01:21:51):
through frantically going through his socials deleting these tweaks about
Donald Trump. So too Anthony Albanezi. He once said that
Trump scared the living out of him, and he also
condemned Trump over the January sixth riot at the Capitol.
So there's a bunch of fence meaning to be done.

(01:22:12):
And of course the whole thing for Australia Now, I
mean Donald Trump's mantra wasn't America first, So what does
that mean with tariff's in Australia. The Americans are our
third biggest trading partner, Mike China the biggest. So if
China all of a sudden gets a sixty percent tariff
on exports to the United States, will China still need
the amount of stuff we sell? To the Chinese. Will

(01:22:35):
Australia be able to get carve outs for the exports
that Australia sends to the US and what happens to
things like Orcus and the nuclear submarine deal. Is Trump's
still going to sell three Virginia class submarines to Australia
And if so, is he going to crank the price
so many moving parts.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
It's so exciting and we are in the same conversation
barbing submarines. Of course, by the way that you suggest
that there is interest in the wallab he's taking on England.
I saw England Life last week and the All Blacks,
who are a better side than the Australians, and we
just scraped home. I can't work out why you would think,
or anyone in Australia would think that the England are
going to do anything other than kick you up the backside.

Speaker 14 (01:23:11):
Well that's it's a very good point. I mean, there
are some green shoots appearing in the Australian rugby landscape.
Under Joe Schmidt, very good coach. He took Ireland to
world number one, don't forget six nation champions twice, beat
the spring Box, beat the All Blacks in fact under
Schmid and don't forget that all Black win. I mean
they only scored one and too scept try the Poms

(01:23:33):
and they kicked six or seven a lot of six
penalties because of doub all Black mistakes. I mean, you
eliminate those mistakes. You don't throw that past the All
Blacks win twenty four, Neil, that's a hopeless Englond side.
So you know, let's just wait and see. They are
hard at home and they've seen that swing loaves, sweet
Chariot and you know all the Poms get excited in
the pubs beforehand. It's a great atmosphere, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Yeah, that's the truth. We're playing the Irish. Of course
that will be a genuine that'll be all for the table.
As they say, hey Murray, you go well, we'll catch up,
so appreciate it. Thank you, Michael che Murray olds across
the Tasman for us. They didn't have time to talk
about Ray Hadley a they write today Ray Hadley as
a mate of Murray's work at the same radio station,
and rayas announced his retirement from radio yesterday after forty

(01:24:17):
three years in the business. He's probably the biggest name
in Australian radio is it currently sits fourteen to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Actually Murray alluded it to it, but the NAB yesterday
came in with their profit for the latest period. If
we go forward the head of the NAB, if it
goes ahead and he refers to Trump and executes his
tariff agenda, that'll be negative implications for the global economy
in there. For Australia, their profit was seven point one billion,
which is down eight percent. They're surrygate in this part
of the world.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
As the n Z.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Of course, they too came out with their number yesterday
which was one point five billion. That wasn't near a record.
Their margin hang on a throne. At their margin at
the NAB, coun't find but at one point something was
high ones. I think it was one point nine, whereas
the margin for the ben Z it's two point three seven.
So once again we asked the question between the two
and how to explain it. The bean zaid he has

(01:25:09):
seemed to be taking business off other banks, once again
indicating there's actually competition in the banking market. While I'm
just on the subject of business. I feel I don't.
I'm sort of betwixt in between, because you know, if
you've been a long term listened to this program. I
called it all Birds early. No one called her but
all Birds earlier than I did. I said, there is
no future those sort of shoes, those sort of shoes

(01:25:31):
are never ever ever going to take off, And so
it has proved to be and yesterday sales down another
twenty five percent. But the sadness says, of course it's
Tim Brown, and you want to support a New Zealander
and the dream and the idea and all of that
sort of stuff. But it's just I just every time
they report it gets worse. And the world was never

(01:25:53):
going to take on Marino based shoes.

Speaker 24 (01:25:56):
I feel like it was your negativity that perhaps has
led to its down mark. Well, when you just give
every opportunity you just described them as being rude shoes
suggest time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
I want to, I personally blame Jack Tame because he
counted he juxtaposed me by going, no, they're cool shoes,
and he started wearing them.

Speaker 24 (01:26:13):
Well, if ever, we were in doubt on who has
the most influence over, you know, the consumers of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Well, precisely, I mean twenty five percent. I wish them well.
I want it to work for them and Tim and co.

Speaker 24 (01:26:26):
But can you just tell me what that crypto is
that you're recommending on Facebook again?

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
It is nine away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
The costume, Breakfast with a Feeder, Retirement, Communities News, tod.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Be Michael Trump. Will want to know is whether we
charge tariffs on US imports?

Speaker 20 (01:26:41):
Do we know?

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Fairest fearers and Adam No, because we are the ultimate
free trader. We are the original free trader of the world.
Roger Douglas nineteen eighty four, Labor Government of Longie. We
are the original free trader. If we could have no
tariffs anywhere with anybody, we would be off and running.
So tariffs are simply a form of protectionism to protect

(01:27:02):
an industry that can't do as well as we do.
Meets a classic example. We make meat better than Americans,
and the Americans know it, and they can't compete them,
so they want a tariffs to protect them. I love
my All Birds, Mike. That's good. I'm glad you do.
But the problem is there aren't enough of you to
make the company profitable. Mike, Tim Brown and All Birds
must pivot. That's what I was going to say before
the before the break, but pivot to what I mean.

(01:27:25):
The thing is, that's all they do. I mean, they've
gone on to make T shirts and stuff like that,
but their original thing was shoes. They make shoes. Their
thing is shoes made.

Speaker 24 (01:27:32):
What about caps for people with extraordinarily large heads? Could
do that, I'd be in the market for one of those.
I've got a large head syndrome.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Marino caps for people with huge heads. Lie there, Tim's
Tim's invested in the Auckland FC. Next time I see
them at an Auckland f C game, I'll go, Tim,
look at my head? What can you do with it?
Probably wouldn't involve putting a cap on it?

Speaker 24 (01:27:55):
They might just kick out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah, five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
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Speaker 14 (01:28:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Clooney's taking heat this morning? Is we heard earlier on
for getting involved in the election far to really and
suggesting Biden needed to move on. Then we come to
the late night guys who were all left leanders. Of
course Colbert handled it. Okay, Hey there, how are you doing?
If you watch the show regularly, I'm guess saying you're
not doing great. Yeah, me neither, honestly, And you wonder

(01:28:31):
why they're knocking them down to four nights so we
can not looking at canceling them, Kimmel, though not so good.

Speaker 28 (01:28:37):
Let's be honest. It was a terrible night last night.
It was a terrible night for women, for children, for
the hundreds of thousands of hard working immigrants who make
this country go for healthcare, for our climate, for science,
for journalism, for justice, for free speech. It was a

(01:28:59):
terrible night for poor people, from the middle class, for
seniors to reliance, so security, for our allies in Ukraine,
for NATO.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Or the true really really bad. And then there was
that story yesterday yet again, googling how to leave America
and heads to New Zealand. It's just like every It's
like life, just it's it's we are in the Truman Show.
It's essentially well are you?

Speaker 19 (01:29:25):
Is it you?

Speaker 16 (01:29:25):
Or me?

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Actually, very good point next week, Jamie Oliver. Apart from
other stuff, some of which I could tell you about,
And I'm tempted to, but I don't want to. Well
I do want to, but I'm not allowed to. I
don't think I'm allowed to. Oh No, He's the week after,
isn't he. Gunt Steiner, Yeah, he's the week after, so
he's not next week. He's the week after, so we'll
have to look forward to that. Anyway. Back on Monday,

(01:29:50):
as always, have you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
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