Full Show Podcast: 09 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's no fluff, just facts and fierce debate. Heather Duplicy
Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate
doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy three News togs Head.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Been morning and welcome coming up today? How good will
that RMA reveal be this afternoon? Will get you the details?
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shadowing our naval vessel or are we actually the ones
causing trouble just by being there? Good news for value
add and will good news for the hurricanes at least
at least as far as cash goes. And Jimmy Barnes

(00:31):
is in for a chat.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
After a Heather Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Right, if you've been following this debate about whether our
summer holidays in New Zealand are too long, you'll have
noticed that Toss Brumley, who's the guy who kicked off
the debate with his column, has said nothing publicly since
his column. Now I'm told the reason for that is
because of the heat that he's getting, and the same
thing happened with an earlier LinkedIn post that he did
on the same subject. He copped heat, which I think
is quite bizarre, given that this is not life or death.

(00:57):
This is not about politics, it's not the treaty, it's
not COVID. It's just to chat about summer holidays. But
apparently some of us, and perhaps lots of us, feel
really strongly that we deserve those summer holidays enough at
least to bludgeon him with our opinion. Now, Simon Bridges
backs him on this. He reckons the view is that
we're on holiday until March, and international business people see

(01:17):
us as lifestylers who are more interested in work life
balance than in growing the economy. The Prime Minister, Christopher
Luxon kind of falls on his side too. He's going
to work through to Christmas. Even then he's going to
take a couple of weeks, get back on the fourth
or the fifth of January. But I'm going to take
the opposite view on this. If you want that summer break,
if you can take that summer break, you should take it.

(01:38):
I mean, Mike Hoskins copping it a wee bit. I
see in some of the news coverage. Mike deserves every
single day of the seven weeks that he's taking. I
bet you there was a day when he worked every
hour that God gave him. But he doesn't have to anymore.
He is now the best in the business. He's made
his money, he's earned the right to take the break
if he wants to take the break. And I think
the same is true for every SMEO owner out there.
If you need the money, if you're hustling for for

(02:00):
business work, open your shop, get on the tools. But
if you don't need the money, if you've got enough
of it, take your summer. I mean, you count how
many summers you have on this planet. It's actually not
a lot at all. So work while you're young, bust
your butt to make your way. But once you have it,
enjoy what you've earned.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Zelenski is in Downing Street meeting with Starmer and Macron
and Mertz to talk peace.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Is scoring enough in our means? Whereas Sasid of issues
regarding to be false what we have.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Between us and a ship now, as you would expect
the saying all of the right things, well.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
You start here to support you if the conflict, and
support you in the negotiations.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
I'm make sure this is adjusted lasting supplement.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Now the UK is looking to use AI to develop
autonomous vessels to protect the undersea cables and the pipelines
from Russia.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Puts you all.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
Virtually all data and virtually all our energy flows either above.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Or under the sea.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
To Football News, Joey Batton, the footballer has been given
a six month suspended sentence for sending grossly offensive electronic
communication with the intent of causing distress or anxiety.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
All of these posts were obviously grossly offensive and it's
plain that each of your victims experienced very substantial distress
and anxiety as a direct consequence of your actions.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It's kicked off again with Thailand and Cambodia. Thailand has
launched air strikes on Cambodia on the border.

Speaker 7 (03:38):
The Cambodian side open fire in many additional areas. At dawn,
Thailand has retaliated according to our response gesture, focusing on
the military targets that launched the attacks on Thailand.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
No surprise that hasn't gone down well with Cambodia.

Speaker 9 (03:53):
But Cambodia calls on the international community to strongly condemn
the violation of the Joint Declaration of the Cambodia Thailand
Peace Agreement. And Thailand's repeated illegal actions.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
And finally, Kylie Minova is heading towards the UK Christmas
number one with her new song Xmas.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
It could be Christmas number one.

Speaker 10 (04:13):
I don't they're saying, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
What would that mean?

Speaker 11 (04:18):
It would be It would be amazing, absolutely yeah, but
turn out us to think about it.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Really tell you what that would mean. I mean a
lot of money. Have you seen how much Mariah Carey
makes off her one? And that is news of the
world in ninety seconds. Now this morning, I think maybe
last couple of hours or so, news has broken that
Warner Brothers Netflix deal has just got a lot more
interesting because Paramount has now made a hostile takeover bit
to cut out Netflix. Now you remember Paramount was the

(04:46):
first one actually to express interest in Warner Brothers, and
then that got declined, and then the Netflix came in,
and now the Paramount's going for it again. Made a
direct offer as shareholders of thirty dollars per year for
the entire company and that includes the TV networks. Things
said its proposal was a superior alternative, delivers more cash
up front to shareholders, great a prospect of approval by regulators,

(05:08):
as some have predicted, Trump might prefer this one. He's
already flagged there could be a problem with Netflix's purchase,
just given how enormous that company would be. Paramount reckons
It's deal values the company at about one hundred and eight
billion US dollars, but Netflix is only at about eighty
three billion, So true competition on the way that twelve
past six.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
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Speaker 2 (05:36):
Here the New Zealand heads off over Christmas in a
way that no other country does. As a person who
runs a twenty four seven business is so frustrating. If
we want to be a successful country, then productivity is
crucial and will only be as successful as our desire
to be. Judy, thank you. It's called a pass. Andrew
callaher sure in partners to us. Morning Andrew, Very good morning,

(05:56):
Heather Right. What do you make of the am Z
card spending for November?

Speaker 4 (06:00):
I love this. This is one of my favorite pieces
of data. Headed this AMZ card spending. It's a pot
poor ree of spending information at the headline level. The
zero point seven sent lift from October to November. They
report this on a three month seasonally adjusted average, but
spending up three point nine percent on this time last year,
which is okay. But the key takeaway if you're going

(06:22):
to zone out for the next two minutes out there,
the key takeaway here, spending is definitely picking up. And
if you look at it through a cyclical lens, the
economic site, if you think about the economic cycle changing,
durable spending is up eight percent. Now that tells you
something is happening. All categories, almost all categories are showing
it up with trend. The only one, and I have

(06:44):
highlighted this before, is a peril. It's the real lag.
It has stabilized, but times have been particularly tough for
apparel retailers. They do aim zid, doing what they call
a proxy for real spending as well, so they take
the inflation out of it. Now it has ticked up,
it's potentially significant if it continues. Now, just looking at
a few little details here, have the consumables up three

(07:06):
point one percent. In there, you've got groceries three and
a half. That's interesting because spending growth there is lower
than food price inflation, so food place inflation are going
higher than the amount we're spending. Pet shops. I've raised
it before with Mike Heather, what the heck is going
on here? It's still storming high. We're absolutely loving spending
money on the little critters or the big critters or

(07:28):
whatever you've got. Hobby, toy and game stores are up
twenty seven percent, so wholesome fun at home appears to
be in Heather. Second hand stores still feature up ten
point nine percent. We are not spending money at camera
and photographic stores. They're down nine to half percent. At
wonder whether the iPhone cameras are just a little bit
too good. Hospo up two and a half percent, below inflation,

(07:50):
but within their fast food up five point nine love
and the Burghers household durables. Fireplace stores are doing very well,
which suggests that there's more rent going on. But then
I look at the glass, paint and wallpaper that isn't
going very well, so I'm not sure if the reno
theory is solid. Swimming pools, you were just mentioning swimming pools.
Everybody's getting swimming, and swimming pools go up like over

(08:11):
twenty percent. Still a strong lift in live theater and
ticketing up twenty one point eight percent, so we're loving
the shows. But the final point here, on a slightly
more serious level, architect engineering and surveying spend is up
nine point six percent year on a year. That suggests
better times they had for construction. Because if you're doing
the spending at the architects of the engineer service suggests

(08:34):
you're going to you're going to do some building, right, So.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
I quite like look at that, Yeah, very much.

Speaker 12 (08:37):
So.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
The farmer confidence still up, but just coming back a
wee bit.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just coming off a little bit. So look,
we've seen the lift in business confidence, we've seen the
lift in consumer confidence. We're getting a bit more perky
about the housing market. What about the farmers. Well, this
is the last edition of Rabibank Rural Confidence Survey for
the year. It's good news. Farmer confidence is still elevated,
but down from the sort of record highs over the
last three quarters. Net readings in therapians plus forty it's

(09:03):
now plus twenty eight, so just coming off a little bit.
But fifty percent of New Zealand farmers are expecting the
performance of the broader agri economy to improve in the
year ahead. Last quarter that was fifty one and a half,
so hardly changed. But if you've been following the global
dairy trade auctions, it's not really surprising to see dair
dairy farmer confidence a little lower, significantly lower actually since

(09:26):
September fall at headline level here dairy farmers plus fifty
four to plus twenty two. Remember you've got the cheeky
little downgrade to the forecast farm get milk price in
there as well. You've got a slightly quirky outcome here.
If we just look at the positive farmers, the main
reason quoted for their optimism is rising commodity prices. If

(09:47):
we then look at the negative farmers, the main reason
that their negative is falling commodity prices. So clearly different
people see different things, don't they. Growers and sheep and
bee farmers are now significantly more up beaten their dairy
farming colleagues. And the one outcome that I was particularly
pleased to see how the investments intentions are looking. Good.

(10:07):
Investment intent across all farmers now as high as it's
been at any stage since mid twenty seventeen, which points, hopefully,
if it is good investment, points to improve productivity. So yeah,
a little bit of a dip at the headline that
historically still very high. Happy days. But we'd all like
to see those dairy prices stabilize in the dairy farmers

(10:28):
not go into a slump, wouldn't we.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Too, right, I can give me the numbers, Andrew.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
The US markets have started the week just a little
bit softer. The dal Jones is down just under half
a percent forty seven seven hundred and thirty four. The
S and P five hundred also just under half a
percent fall six eight threty nine. The Nasdaq down point
three percent twenty three thousand, five hundred and six. Overnight
Forts one hundred lost just under quarter percent nine six

(10:54):
four five. The Nicket was up small point one eight
percent fifty thou five hundred eighty one. The Shanghai comfert
game just over half percent three nine two four. The
ossis yesterday small fall ten points eighty six two four.
The close on the A six two hundred, The Internets
fifty barely moved up two points thirteen thousand, four hundred
and eighty six. Key we dollar still hanging in there. Still,

(11:16):
it's on the upward trajectory point five seven sixty nine
against the US point eight seven one too ossie point
four nine six three euro point four three three one
against the pound eighty nine point nine three Japanese again
gold trading at four thousand, one hundred and ninety yuars
styles and bread crude sixty two dollars and seventy seven cents.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Hey, thank you so much, Andrew, Andrew callaher Sean Partners.
Hither I started working nineteen eighty one, two weeks leave
was standard. Then ken I started working two thousand and two,
two weeks leave was standard. Actually I got no leave
over Christmas then because I was young and had to
butt my bust my butt. It's it's it's all of
the people who've kind of, you know, done the hard yards,

(11:55):
who are taking the long breaks, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
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Speaker 2 (12:08):
I actually have a theory, you know how, Andrew was
just talking about what's going on with the pet shops.
I don't know if he's meaning something that's happening particularly
recently or just a kind of general long term trend.
But I have a theory on what's going on here,
which is that we're not having babies. So if we're
not having baby because the old birth rates coming back,
isn't it. We've seen that this is happening across western world.
So you're not having babies. But then of course the
two of you get a bit lonely, childless couple. So

(12:29):
what do you do? You get a dog? Don't you
get yourself a dog? Maybe you get yourself two dogs.
And then of course you find you've got lots of
money and you want to make a fuss, so then
you start spending money on the dogs like the children.
This is what the boss. The boss boss is completely mental.
He is completely He's got two dogs, is completely mental.
For them. They have birthday parties with surprises and prisons.
So the dogs are the children. So then you go
instead of going to the kiddie store, the toy store,

(12:52):
you go to the bloody older petch shop and blow
all your cash on that.

Speaker 10 (12:56):
And if I've known what I know now back then,
I would have might have done that. I would had
dogs instead of kids.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Because what's the lifespan of a dog? Sam ten and twelve?
So done by ten and twelve years? I mean, we're
stuck with these guys for at least twenty five.

Speaker 10 (13:12):
Exactly, if you don't like your dog, you only have
to wait a short amount.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Of time for them to pop up.

Speaker 10 (13:16):
I've seen to never be rid of these other posts.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
And then now we found out the brains only start
working fully when they're about thirty five, so that's a
really long commitment to children. Actually, listen, we've got really
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Speaker 13 (13:37):
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Speaker 2 (13:42):
Prince Harry has again gone viral this morning. I know
it's all the time. He's either had enough of Trump
and his threats to deport him from the US. Always
figured out that the publicity from having a go at
Trump is pretty good for his image. He went viral
last week for saying on Colbert that America had elected
a king, and this time he was speaking about the
immigration policies when he was at the British American Business Councils.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
From the neighborhood, they get a few customers.

Speaker 14 (14:19):
The World Cup is coming to.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
And he's loving it. Over there are people like him.
I hither, I'm a sheep and beef farmer. If farmers
had the attitude to take seven weeks holiday at the
busiest time of the year, Yeah, how do you think
that would work. It's because we don't take holidays, and
that's why we're leading the country out of the mess
that we're in. I mean that's a pretty good argument,

(14:53):
isn't it. But yeah, I'm just to love my summer holiday.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
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Speaker 2 (15:22):
Can also rehome dogs and cats that frowned upon with
the kids. Jane, you make an excellent point, Listen. Ski
season started in France and a big year because this
is the first year, I know, twenty twenty five, first
year you can't smoke on the slopes or in the lifts.
You have a chat to Catherinefield about that when she's
with us. As twenty three away from seven, got some
good news for wool and of course we're using taxpayer

(15:44):
money to finance bright ideas. Here we wool company will
keep you company rather. Wool Source has signed its first
commercial export order for its innovative wool particle products. The
deal's going to supply eight tons to a Japanese personal
care company. Andrew Morrison is the chair of Wool Research
Organization of News London with us Morning, Andrew, will heather
here you a I'm well, thanks mate. What's an innovative

(16:05):
wool particle product?

Speaker 15 (16:07):
A wall particle products?

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Look, we were charged with the sect, I said, for
God's sake, we're struggling a bit in the sector. We've
got some really good traditional products, but can you go
and find us some new uses, some new markets and
some new customers. So basically, we've been running about a
seven year research program deconstructing strong wall down to that
molecular level and then finding applications for it. So this
was their first shipment going into the personal care market.

(16:33):
Particles are a precursor to their absolute holy grails, which
is powders in pigments. So yeah, it's groundbreak and getting
your first ship there and pretty excited about that.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
So are these guys in Japan sticking it in the
old cosmetics.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, these are going into personal cares. We've done a
bunch of research, you know, the the hydrolysed caret and
or the shampoo market's massive, the pet shampoo market is massive.
These particles we use, we're also working with companies, you know,
to infuse them into sort of a bier retardancy capability
in the built environment. These particles are precursors to powders.

(17:10):
Powders we use in the packaging coding for sort of
you know, those cosmetic packaging or food grade packaging. And
then finally, if we and we're well down the path
of cracking that market into the pigments market. You know,
pigment is a massive market forty billion US screen printing,
flexo printing, and digital printing. So we are using these

(17:32):
these deconstructed wall molecular particles to carry their pigments. So
pretty excited about that.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Do you know, Andrew, what this deal is worth with
the Japanese company? I mean, does it Does it cover
off the three and a half million that the taxpayers
have put into this.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
This is the start, I mean, this is the reality
is now. Look, this is their first shipment, so we've
got to we've got a we've got a sheep industry
that's struggling out there.

Speaker 15 (17:54):
That's why we're doing this work.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
You know, we have a lot of talk around land
use change trees on sheep farms. Sheep beaver state in
New Zealand is about eighty percent of the New Zealand
sort of farming estate. For God's say.

Speaker 15 (18:06):
You know, we've got two.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Point six million hecres a dairy about eight million hectares
of shed beever state. We've got to make that set
the profitaboard again and that's what we're doing here.

Speaker 15 (18:16):
So look, but look this is a startup.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
This is a fi tech startup. This is the first
shipment and this only comes out of our pilot plant.
So we're just in negotiatings with partners around building our
first commercial facility build. So you know, this is a
long hall set of game and to be fair, this
is just the first run on the board today.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Good stuff, we'll best of luck with it. Sounds promising.
Andrew Morrison's Chair of All Research Organization of New Zealand. Now,
I don't know if you've been following this expensive scandal
for the Australian Minister Anika wells, but it's getting worse.
So it's now been revealed that while she was at
the Australian Open Tennis Final in jan of twenty three,
she charged taxpayers to have the car set outside the

(18:55):
government car sat outside seven hours one thousand dollars. And
this is on top of the ten thousand dollars that
she charged taxpayers to fly her husband from Brisbane to
Melbourne for the AFL Grand Final three times for the
Boxing Day Test, twice to a cricket event at Albow's
Sydney Residents as well. And it's also been I know
you're like, is that not enough?

Speaker 11 (19:16):
No.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
It's also been revealed that she only yesterday updated her
Register of Interests to declare complimentary tickets she received to
eleven events this year, including the Logis, the AFL, the NRL,
the NRLW Grand Finals and an Oasis concert, and nine
of those eleven declarations were made outside the twenty eight
day deadline for disclosing gifts, which makes you wonder, hmm,
were you ever going to say anything if you didn't

(19:37):
have to. She's in trouble. Nineteen away from seven the Mike.

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Speaker 3 (20:38):
NZ ever duplusy Alan do you remember.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
That Principle's Well Being fund? To remember that one that
happens and ardur And and the six thousand dollars and the
Principles could spend it on whatever. I mean, there were
some limits, but they ended up going to quite funky
looking little development courses in Fiji. Well, no surprise. The
Officer of the Order to Generals had to look at
it and there's a bit of trouble. They were going
to have a chat to them. Half an hour's time.
It's quarter to seven.

Speaker 12 (21:02):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
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Speaker 2 (21:08):
Catherine Brance, correspondents with US allow Catherine.

Speaker 11 (21:11):
Good morning, Heather.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
So how is Europe feeling about the fact that it's
going to be wiped out?

Speaker 11 (21:17):
I tell you what, Heather, this national security strategy that
arrived from the US what was the late last week
came as a real shock. I think, you know, it's
really difficult to overestimate quite what a shock this has been.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
This is to.

Speaker 11 (21:33):
Suddenly have this significant reversal of US foreign policy towards
what were once it's European allies. And had been since
nineteen forty five.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
It's very difficult.

Speaker 11 (21:44):
I remember back in was a February when Vice President
Advance came to Munich and at a conference there he
criticized Europe, said that it was suppressing political opponents. There
was censorship in the press. A lot of people said, well,
that's just term, it's not really you know, doesn't speak
for the whole of the US administration.

Speaker 16 (22:03):
Well, this new.

Speaker 11 (22:04):
Policy document, which which really does outline foreign policy thinking
and the Americans' priorities, this is confirmed that it's been
a real shake for Europe to read this. They've always
been thinking hither that they could somehow get Trump to
come back on side, appeal to him that it's better
to have Europe as an ally to have it as

(22:25):
a trading partner. But this that it became so clear
when Europe was accused of neglect of Western values, of
a loss of natural identity, that it was facing economic stagnation.
This is really woken people up. And in fact, I
think perhaps one of the biggest voices that we've heard
what's change has come from the Italian Prime Minister. She

(22:49):
had been championed sort of the Trump whisperer or she
has now said that Europe must develop what she called
an autonomous security defense. So it is to stand up
and achieve independence from the US.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well as well should I I would imagine trouble with
Notre Dame is now too many people want to come
and look at the thing.

Speaker 11 (23:10):
I know, you know, a year ago exactly it opened.
Since it opened, it's had eleven million visitors. Now that's
way more than they got at the Eiffel Tower or
at the Louver. If you think back to before that
fire exactly five years ago, there were about eight to
nine million people coming through a year. So they've had

(23:31):
this huge number of people come in, you know, and
even the bits that you pay for. So there's two
towers at the front. They were just reopened in September.
They've already seen seventy five thousand visitors, so you're huge
numbers of people going in. A lot of criticism that
they are not managing the crowds. When you go in,
it really is crowded. They slow down the flow of

(23:54):
visitors during mass, but it's still not enough. But if
you're thinking of racing over heather, if you might want
to wait a bit, not just because of the crowds,
but there's still a lot of work to be done.
It's not really going to be finished until about twenty
twenty eight. But if you want to dip into your pocket,
Notre Dame still needs about two hundred and eighty million
New Zealand dollars to get the work finished.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
She she is expensive, isn't she?

Speaker 16 (24:17):
Now?

Speaker 2 (24:18):
How are the French going to handle not being able
to have a fag while while they have an a ski?

Speaker 11 (24:24):
And this caught everyone by surprise really.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
It was part of a law which.

Speaker 11 (24:29):
Was introduced back in May this year which extended the
ban on smoking to include outdoor spaces and that was beaches, parks,
who outside schools and bus stops and no one really
took much notice of. It also included ski slopes and
from now on it's going to be a ban on
smoking on ski lifts, when you're queuing for a ski

(24:49):
lift and when you're on piece. So it's an extension
really of that band which France brought them back in
two thousand and seven, which is banned on smoking in
restaurants and in bars. It's going to be tough, you
know for some people who are up there on the
slopes and just want to stand at the top and
as you say, have a fag. But the publicity they're
putting out about it, Heather is let the view take

(25:12):
your breath away as it is.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, good luck with that, hey, thanks very much, Catherine,
look after yourself. Catherine Field, France correspondent. Yeah, listen, I
feel like I should mention this only because I speak
to Helen Clark from time to time. I mean, I'm
not like, I don't consider myself to be a friend
of Helen Clarks or anything like that, but very occasionally
there's something that she wants to get into the news
or you know, an editorial she wants to send through

(25:35):
to the Herald or whatever or you know newstalk ZB
and I'll be the happy recipient of the things she's
got to say. And also she shares a birthday with
my son, so you know, every once a year she
will get a picture she doesn't actually necessarily want of
a three year old four year old next year anyway.
So I talked to her from time to time, and
when I do have a chat to I always ask

(25:55):
after her father. So it was with very sad heart
that I heard yesterday that her father had died at
the weekend one hundred and three is an absolutely brilliant innings.
I mean, lord, you know, yeah, I mean it's a
toss up whether you actually want to live that long,
Let's be honest about it. But if you had the choice,
you'd want to at least like if you could, you'd
want the choice, wouldn't you? Anyway? I know that, you know,
having been Prime minister. Not everybody's going to be a

(26:17):
fan of Helen. Some people are going to be fans
some people and I'm personally I'm a fan of what
Helen did, some of the stuff that she did. But
what I will say is you cannot dispute the fact
that she was a fantastic daughter. And may we all
have children like Helen Clark, because every time I caught
up with her, it would be I'm just with dad
at the moment, I'm off to why he beach to
cook dad some food. I'm helping dad out, And that

(26:38):
is really at the end of the day, is that
not the most important stuff is family? So thoughts to
Helen Clark and her family at the moment. Nine Away
from seven Heather Duplicy.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Ellen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Vida, retirement, communities,
news dogs, head.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Be We've got trapped by this thing. Hey, Jimmy Barnes
is going to be with us after eight o'clock. That
man is do you know what he's doing. He caught
the news because it's been out for a little bit.
But he's going to redo the iconic album for the
working class man, play the whole thing from start to finish.
So we have a chat him about that. And I mean,
because you think about how long ago he did that.
It takes certain something to have a voice that still

(27:13):
manages to hit all those notes. But he's got it
six away from seven.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
All the ins and the ouse.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
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Speaker 2 (27:26):
Right for everyone complaining right now about the price of beef,
and you are right to complain. Some of your favorite
snacks have officially topped steak on the list of products
to hit your wallets the hardest. Most of this has
got to do with the price of coco, which is
just out the gate. The shortage has led to record
price hikes. The UK Office of National Statistics says chocolate
has on average gone up by fifteen percent this year.

(27:49):
Now you look at that numbering fifteen percent? Who cares? Well,
what about this number? A ton of coco usually trades
at between about five thousand and maybe, let's say eight
and a half thousand New Zealand dollars. It's currently twenty
two thousand New Zealand dollars for a ton. You only
have to look at a block of Wittikers being eight
dollars fifty in countdown to see the hat maltesers of

(28:09):
what we're looking at today. On average, a packet of
white malteses costs you nine dollars twenty four. That puts
it out of price per kilo of seventy three dollars
thirty one sirloin steak seventy two dollars thirty six on average,
so more expensive than the steak. Starting to affect the
flavor of some of your favorites as well. Nesleigh has
been forced to reduce the amount of cocoa and their kitcats,

(28:31):
so if you're tasting more waifer than cocoa, you're not
imagining it. And Rod told the show a couple of
weeks ago that the Makevity's biscuits had to rebrand from
being chocolate biscuits to chocolate flavored biscuits, because frankly, if
you don't have enough cocoa, you're just not chocolate anymore,
are you. So there you go. Now you're going to
get it out. I'm I've ruined it for you, haven't
I RMA. Now this is the big day for the RMA.

(28:52):
I said earlier when I was talking to Andrew. Probably
you know if you're feeling like, oh, RMA, yeah, fair enough,
because we've had a couple of false start right, we
had David Parker's thing, then I got unwound. But this
is the thing. If you're expecting the coalition government to
be in power after the next election, which you should
be because they will be most likely, then this is
the one that's actually gonna happen. So the aim is

(29:13):
to simplify it massively, will get the details on. It's
all got to do with zones and plans or run
you through those numbers. Been a bit of drama about
this naval vessel. It's been shadowed by the Chinese warships.
Just a question for you, are we the ones doing
the provoking if we're the ones floating through the old
Taiwan straight Because if they come down here with their vessels,
we get pre worked up about it. So maybe that

(29:35):
you can't get worked up about New Zealand. But you know,
I just wonder if we might be the ones that
blame here. So we'll have a chat to Robert Patman
about that. Turns out I was happy to find out
if one drivers for all of their money and good
looks and you know, fame party like everyone else. What
did they sing along to Tlando Norris's celebration party after

(29:57):
he won the F one championship, Caroline, just like we
all do.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
News is Next, Tough on power, sharp on insight, Heather Duper,
see Allen on the mic, asking breakfast. Were the defender,

(30:23):
embrace the impossible, news togs, there'd be.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Good morning to you. We're going to get the first
details of the IRMA overhaul this afternoon around about one o'clock.
The aim is to simplify the system, massively cutting the
number of consents by up to half. Regional councils have
of course, already been given the choppers part of this reform.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Alan Pollard is the CEO of the Civil Contractors n
Z and with us Morning Allen. Now, the word is
that we have about twelve hundred different zones in the
country and they're going to be cut down to fewer
than twenty. Is that right.

Speaker 17 (30:53):
I don't know the final detail, but whatever we can
do to streamline the process will be welcome for our industry.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
How much of a heads up have you been given?

Speaker 3 (30:59):
A not very little.

Speaker 17 (31:03):
What we do know is that, yeah, the ministers determined
to simplify the ACT. If I can add some context
to it, you know, for the last two years, our
industry has faced some pretty tough time for the low
project volumes, and yet there's two hundred and seventy five
billion dollars sitting on a project pipeline, and there's are
projects how communities need how Our aim is that these
projects need to come to market as quickly as possible,

(31:25):
and we need to remove the barriers to stopping that happening.
And the RIMA is one of the major barriers that
we face.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I mean, if you were to list the barriers and
all the things that go into making a project really
hard to get off the ground, where would this sit.

Speaker 17 (31:38):
It's just right up at the top. The ACT is
incredibly complicated, it's vague, it's open to interpretation that creates
significant cost to the projects and frankly, it does little
to protect the environment or to enable efficient development.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
What is it about the Act that is causing the trouble?
Is it the time that it takes to get the consent?
Is the possibility that there's a decline? What is it?

Speaker 17 (32:01):
I think it's all of those things, because it's very complicated,
but also it's open to interpretation that's quite vague. So
you could have the Act interpret in one way in
one region and completely different than another.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Oh, you can have the Act interpreted differently in the
same region, can't you. I mean I've run into that
where you have two people sitting next to each other
totally different ideas.

Speaker 17 (32:20):
What you certainly can you have to say lawyers and
planners could spend their whole lives trying to interpret the Act.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
So would you say, Alan that one of the most
important things in what we see today is actually some
certainty and very clear guidelines, not even guidelines, just very
clear as to what this is saying, rather than leaving
it open to people making up their own minds.

Speaker 17 (32:40):
Absolutely, there needs to be clarity and certainty. If I
could give you an example, you know, part of our
sustainable construction practices. We prefer to reuse construction and demolition
ways from one site on another site. But if there's
the minutest part of contaminant in the soil and that's
defined by the local council officers, we have to send

(33:02):
that to landfall. It's costing two point four billion dollars
additional costs a year to do that.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, just crazy, Allen, thanks very much, appreciate your time.
This Alan pol Out and besta like at one o'clock
CEO of Civil Contractors in Z ten past seven. Ever,
so New Zealand Defense Force has confirmed one of its
navy ships in East Asia was recently shadowed by seven
Chinese warships. It was last month when the n Z
s Alti at All was conducting surveillance operations. This was

(33:30):
related to North Korea's nuclear program. Robert Patman is an
international relations expert and with US morning.

Speaker 18 (33:35):
Robert, Good morning, Hell.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
How serious do you think this is?

Speaker 18 (33:40):
I wouldn't say it's very serious, but I think the
fact that the Z s Auta was shadowed by seven
New Zealand warships at different times indicates that the Chinese
are not relenting in their claim that the Taiwan Strait
is not an international warway but waterway. Actually they claim

(34:06):
sovereignty over it, So there's no there's no sign there
backing down, And I don't think that's really surprising given
the current international situation.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
No, not at all. Is it possible that actually US
being there at all is a provocation to them? I mean,
we feel pretty aggrieved when they come all the way
down here.

Speaker 18 (34:26):
Well, you know, I suppose they could interpret it this way.
But I think what we have to take into account
is that China has as its economic and military capabilities
grown over the years. It's the second superpower of the
United States. What used to be acceptable to China is
no longer acceptable. He's had a long standing claim over Taiwan,

(34:49):
and I think this sort of growing consciousness of military
might means that China is less tolerant, less accepting of
but it sees as infringements on its sovereign claim. But
to be fair, you know, most countries in the world
do see the Taiwan Straight as an international waterway, and

(35:13):
we also as a country have very good relations with Taiwan.
We don't have diplomatic relations with them, but we certainly
have a free trade agreement with Taiwan and it host
people to people relations, so I think news. I mean,
let's be quite clear, why was New Zealand there going
through the Taiwan Straight Because it was on a mission

(35:36):
to enforce UN sanctions against North Korea, so it wasn't
aimed at China. The ship sailed from the South China
Sea to the North Asian Region via the Taiwan Straight
and we now learned that actually occurred over a month ago.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Robert, thanks very much runningus. We appreciate it. As Robert
Patman international relations expert. Actually, there's an interesting survey out
regarding our views of China and stuff. I'll run you
through that when I get a chance.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Heather Duper Clerk, there's a question for you.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Is two percent in the preferred prime minister polling a
good thing? Now? I'm asking you this because Chris Bishop
has popped up. So we had the one News Varian
poll last night. This was the first poll since word
got out there. Chris Bishop of trying to get the
numbers role Chris Luckxon obviously failed. So the preferred prime
minister ranking goes like this. Luxon's on the top of
twenty three, then Hipkins on twenty one, Winston on nine,

(36:29):
David Seymour on five, Chris Bishop on two, and Chloe
Chloe There's just no chance, is there anyway? Chloe on one? Anyway,
Chris Bishop popping up on number two is you know,
on two percent, not number two, but two percent makes it.
This is significant because this makes him the first National
Party MP apart from the Prime Minister, to register in
the preferred prime Minister poll since the election in twenty

(36:51):
twenty three. So I guess why I'm asking is because
he should take some heart, like he could look at
that and go, hey, I'm in there, I'm in the
I'm the only one who's in there. But then on
the other hand, it is two percent. I mean that's
a long shot to twenty three percent, sitting just one
above Chloe and Chloe's and it never got a chance, right,
So however you look at it, I suppose fourteen past
seven the.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
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Speaker 2 (37:18):
At b Morning, Heather, the major elephant in the room
when it comes to the rama is the fingers and
the pie that the e we have and you will
shy away from it our sun did a subdivision of
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just to come and walk over it, and so called
bless it. Cheers Chris Well. Actually, Chris good point. You
raise and maybe some people will have a look at
it when it's unveiled today and just see what's going

(37:39):
on in there and if we have a repeat of
the same stuff. So stand by one o'clock seventeen past seven.
Now do you remember the well being fund that the
Ardurn Hipkins government gave Principles where they have six thousand
dollars to spend on sometimes I don't know, training courses
at the Hilton and Fiji. Turns out that's still causing
some trouble according to the Audited gen Rules Office. Jane

(38:00):
Rogers is the secret manager for Schools at the office.
Hi Jane, Hi, So what's going on with the spending.

Speaker 19 (38:08):
We just this year our auditors did identify more concerns
about sensitive expenditure than in the normal years, and most
of those concerns did relate to how schools spent the
funding for the professional coaching and well being provided to Principles.
In twenty twenty three and twenty four. About third of
those concerns related to travel, including schools paying for personal

(38:29):
travel for staff and sometimes companions. Some of that was
travel that was actually incorporated into a business trip. And
one of the expectations for spending public money is that
it has a just a viable business purpose.

Speaker 18 (38:42):
So we wouldn't.

Speaker 19 (38:43):
Normally expect a school or any public organization to pay
for personal travel of their staff.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
So is this, Jane, is the school spending that is
on top of that six thousand dollar fund or is
it within the six thousand dollar fund?

Speaker 19 (38:58):
Mainly it's it is the six thousand dollars, but Principles
were allowed to use additional funding for professional development, so
it didn't they didn't have to just spend the six
thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Right, So are you telling me that the six thousand
dollars that was sold to us as being for development
was actually being spent on personal stuff?

Speaker 19 (39:19):
I mean in some cases yes, are we talking about
Well we well, we we identified I think, which is
in our report one hundred and seventy eight where we
actually drew attention to it in the in the management
letter or the audit report of the school. So that's
where we had some concern over the spending. Obviously, some

(39:41):
of that was relatively small amounts, so it could be
GM memberships that sort of thing. Quite small amounts are
the ones that we actually referred to our audit reports
were those which were more significant, and a lot of
those were around overseas travels a lot to it.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Jane, do you think this is going to get tidied
up or is this going to be an ongoing problem?

Speaker 19 (40:02):
Well, the funding was only provided for twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four. Obviously they've just redone the collective agreements,
and I don't know whether obviously that spending is being
being you know, really I can't think.

Speaker 6 (40:15):
Of the word rolled over.

Speaker 19 (40:16):
Let's say rolled over, say yeah, so, so, I mean
we would expect that there would be I guess maybe
better guidance. The Ministry did provide guidance for this last
lot of fundy, but if they were to do it again,
I think we would maybe expect sort of better guidance
and more rules around what the schools can actually spend it.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
On fair point listen, Jane, thanks very much appreciated. That's
Shane Rodgers, Sector manager for Schools at the Office of
the Order to General It is actually a very good
question to ask, because that thing just got signed last week,
or the principles, I don't know. Actually it's a good
question to ask what the dealers with the principles, whether
they got the six thousand dollars again, and add there's
twenty four hundred schools, right, so one hundred and seventy

(40:58):
eight of them. Is what it's like seven eight percent
or something like that. Where this I mean, it's not
earth shattering, but it's probably big enough to explain why
we all knew that this fund was being gamed by
some principles. Right twenty past seven, the.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
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Speaker 2 (41:20):
Evy, Jimmy Barnes is going to be with us after
eight o'clock. Just talk us through how he's going after
all of his health scares, and if you're not across that,
I'll run you through what he's been through. Shortly seven
twenty three, So tomorrow's the big day, isn't it? And
it is I think not an overstatement to say that
the eyes of the world, well at least politicians around
the world, are going to be on Australia and whether

(41:41):
the social media ban will actually work, and that is
still a live question, isn't it. We less than twenty
four hours from the thing taking effect, and none of
us can totally say for sure that we know it's
going to work. For two reasons. One, it's the Internet,
so there's always a work around out there, and to
involved kids, and if there's a workaround, kids will find
the work around. I'm gonna call it for you now.
It's not going to work if your definition of working

(42:05):
is that one hundred percent of children under sixteen get
kicked off and stay off until they're sixteen. But I
think it is possible that it is going to work
if your definition is a little bit more flexible, which
is that most kids get kicked off and stay off
because their parents force them to do it. And I
think that is the key thing here, Like it always
is parents getting involved talking about whether it works or not. Actually,

(42:26):
I think kind of misses the point here, which is
that this gives parents something that they haven't had yet,
which is permission to keep their kids off social media.
Because what parents have been finding is it's very hard
to keep fourteen year old Susie off social media. Off
the facy, off the Insta of TikTok, Off the snapchat,
because all Susie's friends are on it, and if Susie's
not on it, then she becomes the weird kid. And
nobody wants their kid to be the weird kid, right,

(42:47):
So you're relenting. You let Susie on it. This has
the potential to flip all of that pressure around. Now
everyone's off. Now the kid that's on it, Little Johnny's
on it. Susie comes home, she's old. Johnny's on TikTok?
Can I go on TikTok?

Speaker 16 (42:57):
You go?

Speaker 2 (42:58):
No, Johnny's a naughty kid from a family that has
no rules, no boundaries, no discipline. Susie, You've got boundaries
and discipline your parents care about. You know, you stay off.
It gives permission for the parents to be able to
do that kind of thing. And if you're a parent,
you know, peer pressure is massive, isn't it, especially in
the teenage years. The Aussie government's doing its bit by
bringing us to this point. The tech companies are being

(43:19):
dragged into doing their bit, and ultimately this will live
or die in Australia based on whether Australian parents do
their bit and actually step up to the plate and
parent properly.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Here here the duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
There is a big development in rugby. This is that
the Hurricanes fifty percent of the ownership of the Hurricanes. Basically,
Wellington Rugby's let it go. It's sold. It's fifty percent share.
It's gone to the private guys. This is because they're
running out of money. I mean, there are some fundamental,
like really big fundamental questions here about what's going on
with sport, netball, cricket, rugby that they just cannot make

(43:52):
any money. It's the pay packets, by the way, it's
how much we pay the rugby players. Anyway, we're going
to speak to one of the guys who's from the
private consortium stepping up to buy this. He's going to
be us straight after the news. Now, got to run
you through the Golden Globes based on this is if
I still think the Golden Globes are okay in terms
of the nooms, Like the oscars, you look at it,

(44:13):
you go, what is this weird stuff that you've been watching?
And then you watch it and you go, why did
I waste my time? The Golden Globes I think still
give you a fair idea of what's good to watch.
And if you trust them, then what you want to
go out and watch is one Battle after another. Well,
when I say go out, you just stream it, now,
can't you? One Battle after another? The White Lotus and

(44:33):
Adolescence if you haven't already watched it, and then wild
card Marty Supreme. So in the movies, one battle after
another's got the most norms. It's this is the one
with Leo DiCaprio in it. It's got nine knobs. Then
you've got sentimental value that's got eight knobs, and Sinners
which is like a vampire thriller that's got seven. In
the TV department, White Lotus has got six norms, Adolescence

(44:54):
has got five. Only murders in the building and Severns
are doing pretty well as well with four nominations each.
But Marty Supreme is the one that I reckon if
you need to keep an eye out for. It's in
for the Best Motion Picture Musical Comedy, in for Best
Performance by a Male Actor. That's for Timothy Shallamay you know,
lead lead boy. What do they call themselves the rat
rats or something like? Do you know what I'm talking
about there's like a like a thing where people started

(45:18):
finding ratty looking men in Hollywood quite sexy. And he's
he's one of the lead proponents of the ratty face.
Also in four Abbecation. Yeah, it's quite a thing. Best
Screenplay Motion Picture. So go and see Marty Supreme because
the Telegraph, I think, called it the best film of
the year. Don't bother with Wicked for Good and snub
News is next.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
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Speaker 2 (45:57):
I don't understand why these principles are not facing reprimand
or even charges they've misappropriated public funds. Well, I mean,
good question, Although who do you charge? Do you charge
the school boards who said yep to the funding or
do you charge the principles who went on the trip
to Fiji or where wherever they may have gone. You know,
I was just talking about problems with sports. Well here's
another one for you. This has just emerged today that

(46:19):
chief executive at New Zealand Cricket, Scott Weeningk has gone
on leave. It's understood he went on leave five o'clock
on Friday, and that is because if you've been following
what's going on there with the T twenty and how
that's been like and the disagreements about the teach proposed
T twenty thing for New Zealand and then his position
on that and him being undermined by the board and
blah blah blah. He's gone on leave and now he's

(46:40):
going to go into mediation with Cricket Board apparently over
his future. They have denied that there is an I
always enjoy a case of the pr people just you know,
embarrassing themselves with stories or you go whatever doesn't pass
the sniff test. So Richard Book, who is the manager
of public Affairs at the New Zealand Cricket and he

(47:01):
does deserve to be name checked for this. He's denied
that there's an employment process going on with Scott Weiningk.
He says he's taken some time off to be with
his family at the start of the school holidays. When
you roll out the family, you know it's dodgy. Also,
he's coming back to work on the nineteenth of December whatever,
that's the day all of us are leaving. I don't

(47:22):
buy this at all. Twenty two away from mate, sure.
So we have a significant development in the ownership of rugby.
The Wellington RFU Rugby Football Union has sold its fifty
percent stake in the Hurricanes to private owners, basically as
a result of running out of money. The buyers are
New Zealand'sport Investment Limited. Malcolm Gillies is part of it
and he's with us now. H I'm Malcolm, Malcolm are

(47:45):
you there? Hold on, we have a problem. We've got
a problem with the phone line again. I'm going to
fix it while we're waiting for Malcolm to get back on.
Do you want me to make you feel a little
bit cross? Get ready for it. Yeah, it's a trigger warning.
Get ready for it. This is how much money you're
paying Radio New z and staff. In twenty twenty three
they employed one hundred and seven people who earned over

(48:05):
one hundred thousand dollars. The next year, twenty twenty four,
that number increased to one hundred and forty five people,
and now it's one hundred and seventy eight people. So
in the space of two years, the number of people
who earn over one hundred thousand dollars has gone up
by seventy people from one o seven to one seven eight.
There's a reason for it, and I'm going to get
back to it shortly, but I've just got Malcolm back
on the line with us. Malcolm, Hello, good a, how

(48:28):
are you. I'm very well, Thank you mate, thanks for
talking to us. I understand you're in Fiji, is that right?

Speaker 13 (48:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Oh you're a good lovely weather. Yeah, thank you for
doing it. Now. Did you go to the Hurricanes or
Wellington Football and offer this deal or did they come
to you?

Speaker 20 (48:42):
Well, we deal started with Wilmington Rugby. They came to
us and said that they were thinking of so in
this years and so we took it from there.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Okay, do you think it's a good investment given what's
going on with rugby.

Speaker 20 (48:58):
I think it's a challenging one.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
I think it's got a great future.

Speaker 20 (49:00):
There's a lot of untapped potential, but there's certainly a
lot of things to do. So I think if you
just do it the same way as it's been done,
then this can be very difficult. But we did it
for a lot of reasons. My partner, John Bellen, and Peter,
we both all of us decided that well, we've got

(49:23):
a passion for rugby and we certainly got a passion
for Wellington rugby. So it wasn't all necessarily about making money.
Was about trying to help help the union sort itself
out and at the same time obviously help the Hurricanes.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, but they need to make money. I mean, it
does need to make money to continue, doesn't it.

Speaker 20 (49:41):
Yes, it does. It's got to pay its way, and
we're reasonably happy that we can with our business skills
that we can do that.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
So what are you going to change? Would you change
where you host the games? Get out of sky Stadium?

Speaker 20 (49:56):
Look, that's always an option. But then once again, if
you know, the easiest thing is to blame sky Stadium.
It's too big, it's this, and it's that. The reality
is the Hurricanes also have a responsibility to re engage
with their fans. I mean, we had an average crowd
size of seven thousand, and I think, you know, realistically,

(50:19):
we've got to look at ourselves. How do we get
that When we had the PACIFICA game, we had nearly
twenty thousand. So the reality is that we've got a
lot of work to do. We've got to re engage
with our fans, their past players and our communities. We've
got to get people in behind us again and we've
got to have a product that they want to go
and watch.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Turn up so big. Why the fans turn up for that, Malcolm,
apart from obviously being really ardent fans, Is it not
because it's a rare thing on the calendar. It's an event.

Speaker 20 (50:47):
No, you've got to make You've got to make an
event out of the day. And you know, we don't
have a lot of money to spend massive things on marketing,
but there's a lot of things we could do to
re engage to make them. We can set up club
combatitions where they wear their jerseys.

Speaker 21 (51:01):
We can do a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Are you committing You've got five fixtures that you have
to play next year apparently at Skystadium. Are you definitely
going to play all five of them there?

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Well?

Speaker 20 (51:12):
This year we've got one in christ Church and we've
got one in Napier. It depends, It depends what we
can do. We also think we have a responsibility to
take the game out into the regions as well. This
year we've got one in Napier, and I think, you know,
we've got six pus right stretching right up to gisbone,
So I think it's important that we get at least

(51:32):
one of those games each year out into the PUS.
So if we've got five home games next year, we'll
just have to look at how we're going. I mean,
the fact of the matter is it might not be.
You know, we've got to make sure we can pay
what it costs to play at the stadium, and that's
my job.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
If the woman's team doesn't make money, do you have
to continue with it?

Speaker 20 (51:53):
We probably will have one of the best women's teams
looking at the roster or with the coaching roster at
the stage that we've ever had, So we're not contemplating
that losing money.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
I mean, the.

Speaker 20 (52:05):
Women's team is supported well to start with. Why the
NJ are you anyway, So it's really up to us
just to to you know, to play a reasonable game
of rugby, and it's a growing attraction the woman's game
all across the world.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I feel kind of sorry for you, Malcolm, because I
think you're pushing it up here with this because part
of your problem and you can only fix so many things.
Part of The problem is rugby is boring, isn't it.
Like you look at what is going on in the field.
It's so fast on rugby league, it's so fast now
on the football you can really enjoy it. Rugby they're
getting together and slowing down the ball the whole time.
You can't fix that.

Speaker 20 (52:40):
Yeah, Look, firstly, I don't want you to feel sorry
for me, you know, really, I totally agree, and I
think anyone with half a brain can look to see.
But that's a bigger thing than what.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
I can fix.

Speaker 20 (52:55):
I still believe people that are passionate about rugby will
give the people that have the opportunity to change the
rules the time to do it. I mean, rugby's been
a part of our culture. It's a part of who
we are in New Zealand, as is league. But yes,
definitely league is a better spectacle right now. You need
to be honest. We all know that. But I think

(53:18):
surely we're not the only ones that can see that,
and the people that have the power to change that
given time, I think we'll do that. They'll address it.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
The time Malcolm, they take so long. Listen, good luck
with it and thanks for stepping and mate this and
talking to us from Fiji. Malcolm Gillies hurricane chair. Right
here we go, here's get ready for it. Here's your
Radio New Zealand figures. So it's gone up right now.
Why did the staff numbers go up so massively? That
would be because Grant Robertson and then through huge amount
of money at Radio New Zealand in about twenty twenty

(53:46):
three twenty twenty four. So now I'm going to run
you through how much it's costing you and I'll do
that in a minute quarter two the.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
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Speaker 2 (53:58):
That be right here we go. So this, by the way,
has come out of the annual report, the Radio New
Zealand Annual Reports. So they go all the funding and
checktion and they were like, guys, it's all on. We've
got heaps of cash. Ye have a pay rise, have
pay rise, have praise. And now half of them are earning.
And by the way, it literally is half of them.
It's forty nine percent of them who are on six figures.
Imagine being in the fifty one percent that isn't earning

(54:18):
one hundred thousand dollars. I mean that sucks. I don't know.
Salary bill has gone from thirty two million in twenty
twenty three to thirty seven million the following year to
forty two million dollars this year. It's gone up by
a third in the space of two years because they
got the cash right. But problem now is they got
the cash and then Goldie came and Paul Goldsmith and went,

(54:41):
that's too much Bunney and he took a bunch of
money away and guess what. Now they're in the red
because they're paying their staff too much, aren't they say?
Are they going to fix that? Treasury doesn't like it.
It's recommended to the government that it Wallace recommended, actually yeah,
to the government that ministers that an assessment from the
Radio New Zealand chair is requested on how Arnz it
is responding to expectations and assurance that management is being
held to account. So if you're a manager at ore

(55:03):
n Z, shellon out the taxpayer dough like there's no tomorrow,
you're about to find out about that. Now. Try to
get into my Christmas party today And yeah, I've left
the I left it too late, so I don't know
I'm gonna I'll do. I'll do something. I'll get into
I don't even know if I really want to go.
It's between one and four in the afternoon. What kind
of a Christmas party is that? Anyway? This has come

(55:24):
up again this year, comes up every year. The question
is at the end of the Lavish Kiwi Office Christmas Party.
But the reason I'm raising this with you this hardy annual,
the reason I'm raising it with you this year is
because finally somebody has said the thing that needs to
be said, and that's deb Repeed Debra Peede, who is
the pr Queen in Auckland and has done it for
forty five years so has seen her share her fair

(55:45):
share of wild Christmas party, especially in public relations reckons.
There's two reasons the Lavish Christmas Party is over. Number
One the social media, right, because if you're going to
go there and then you're going to snog your boss
in the corner, I'm just gonna come past, I'm gonna
film you and stick it up on Instagram, aren't I
And then then you're gonna get fired. So that's part
of the reason you're not getting boozed and doing that.
But the second reason, thank god, somebody said it. The

(56:08):
second reason is women. Women are increasingly occupying leadership positions,
she said, and we've become more empowered in the workplace,
so we don't put up with bad behavior. Now, isn't
that the truth? Think, I know this is confronting. Think
about it for a second. Think about it. No one
is more boring than a mum, and especially a mum
of really small kids. Like we just don't have any

(56:31):
tolerance for excessive drinking, excessive loud noise, rudeness, like absolutely
no interest in sexy stuff. Right, you've got try grab
in my butt. I'm just gonna punch you in the face.
I'm not interested in it at the moment. So this
is necessary. It's a biological reality because we've got to
keep the little kids alive. So we've got to be
as boring as possible. But even if but just because
it's a necessity doesn't mean that it's not true. Your

(56:53):
wife is killing your party and your lady boss is
killing your party, and I can't do anything other than
say I'm really sorry, but such is life. Nine Away
from eight.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Heather Dupussy Allen on the mic, asking Breakfast We're the
Defender and news tog dead b.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, the women of the worst behaved office dues in
my experience, and I'm a woman ever with the young
ones before they have children, and then they have children,
and then it all stops, doesn't it. Well, not for
all of them. Stix away from eight Now. Debate has
fired up over whether our long summer break is too long.
It's been kicked off, but they had opinion piece written
by the businessman Toss Grumley who reckons taking weeks off
over summer hurts our productivity and cue everyone weighing in

(57:32):
with their opinion, from the Prime Minister to Simon Bridges.
The Auckland boss. Christoph Schumacher is a professor of innovation
and economics at Massi University and is with us on this.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
High Christoph, good morning.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Do you reckon as summer breaks too long?

Speaker 21 (57:45):
Well, our summer break is long compared to the rest
of the world, and you see them scores quite highly
on the work life balance. But I think the question
is not is it too long? The question should be
can we afford it?

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Well? I mean you wouldn't be doing it if you
couldn't afford it, would.

Speaker 21 (58:02):
You ll look in the last ten years our productivity
growth rate has gone from one point two percent, which
is right the OCD average, to zero point two percent,
and we now are ranked sixty third out of sixty
seven countries. So our productivity is rather low. So the
question becomes, then can we afford this rather long summer break?

(58:25):
And the answer the crystal no.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
The answer is no. You're totally right. But saying to
me like, okay, So saying to the small business owner
who's running a construction business, Hey, he's worked all hard,
it will year really really hard. He wants to take
the summer off, saying to him he needs to keep
working through the summer for the country's productivity. Is not
going to make him work through the summer, is it.

Speaker 21 (58:45):
No, Look, people do deserve their breaks, and the all
of the states right now where we do need a
break to become fresh and come back to work. In
the question justice, can we structure it better? Can we
organize it better so that not everything shuts down, but
we scale thing. Some people stay here to keep business
going as usual, some people take off and re rotate.

(59:06):
This possibly over the years, always the possibility of working remotely.
Maybe we start using that more during the summer break
as well. I think It just needs to be a
smarter way. Nobody denies that people need a break and
deserve a break because Kiwis are hard workers. We work
long hours. We just sometimes don't structure as well as
we could.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
A very good point. Thank you, Christopher. Appreciate Christoph Schumacher,
a professor of Innovation and Economics of Massive University. If
we're going to do that, we're if we're going to
stagger it our bags the summer, you can take the
winter off.

Speaker 10 (59:37):
Are we hard workers? I thought we had a pot
productivity crisis.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I don't know. I only worked three hours a day.
Did you see that text before? I just come in
at six? Do do? Mike shagerhan brilliant?

Speaker 10 (59:46):
I mean if you add up my contribution to the show,
it's about sixteen minutes. Yeah at tops tops Yeah, no wonder,
I don't have any lead.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
You press buttons and sometimes you just forget as well,
So probably only fifteen minutes. Hey, Jimmy Barnes is going
to be that next He had heart surgery back on
stage like within months is remarkable. Talk through that after
eight o'clock news talks.

Speaker 16 (01:00:07):
He'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
B Yeah you Love It. Seven past eight. The Working
class Man is back. Jimmy Barnes. He's bringing his most
famous songs to our shores in the first half of
next year, most successful artist in Australian chart history, and
his long love New Zealand because we showed his band
colchis a love right from the very beginning. But this

(01:00:51):
time it's a solo tour he's going to be doing.
He's backed up by his Cold Chisel bandmate Ian Moss,
who's also going to be performing solo. It's called All
the Working class Man Tour and it's going to mark
the fortieth anniversary of the song's release and the album's
release in Jimmy Barnes is with us.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Hi, Jimmy, Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
Hell are you well?

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I'm very well. How are you though? Because you've had
the health stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Oh I'm quiting fit. I mean I've had one hundred
thousand dollars one hundred thousand mile service, you know. I mean, yeah,
I'm really healthy. I'm good. I'm swimming a kilometer of
most days now and working out every day, and I'm
so I'm ready to rock.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeah, But do you know what do you know why
I'm asking this Because you had the heart surgery and
the in fiction around about the same time that my
husband had exactly the same experience, and you're playing it down.
I mean, what you went through was massive.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
It was very painful, and I nearly died. I was
close to death. The staff I got staff infection in
my heart and it was really the operation I had
went for about seven hours. It was sort of the
surgeon here, Paul Jans, who's probably one of the best
in the world, said it was like it was more
dangerous than a transplant. So so, you know, a major work.

(01:01:54):
But I just figure, you know, I was in I
was in great hands, and you know I left and
I'm like, I said, I've got all new parts and
all the stuff, so I should be going for another
twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
What made it more dangerous than a transplant.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
Because there was with the transplant they take it all out.
These were internal workings. They had to add valve eortic
valve replacement I had, They had to repair the mitro
valve go under their back and repair the mitro valve.
They had to take out where the valves are seated
because the virus had eaten into it. So they transplant

(01:02:27):
all this flesh there and then I think there's fourteen
centimeters of aorta had been eaten away by this bug.
And literally, if they hadn't done that, I could been
you know, I could have been singing in bulged and
popped it and died on spot. You know. It was
like it was very just it was long, intense and
you needed you know, it's a team of surgeons as

(01:02:49):
you put you know because your husband done it, but
there's not the the physical pain of having your chest,
you know, priced open is incredibly us the second time
I've had it, So I a two thousand and seven
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Oh yeah, because they cut through, don't they They do
the whole.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
And literally when I when I had done two thousand
and seven, I as I was going into the hospital,
being cheeky as I was, I had a digital camera.
I gave it to the nurse. I said take a
few snaps, you know, and I was thinking they're going
to get the machines and all that sort of stuff.
About three days after I got intensive care, I saw
my camera and I managed to reach for it and
they're taking photographs inside my chest and it's this like

(01:03:24):
they're just it's like a carjack as like medieval.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
But you know what, people, I think don't appreciate about
what you've been through, almost dying from an infection. All
of the trauma of the surgery is that it takes
years to really fully recover from it. But you were
back on stage with them what like three or four
six months.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
It started rehearsal seven weeks after surgery with cultures and
went on the cultures or two. I just had to
to be really careful. I was really you know, I
had great physios. I did ever And the doctor said,
when when you're doing physio, you've got to do exactly
what they say. You can't do too much, you can't
do do too little. So for the first you know,
free months, I did exactly what they said. Every day.

(01:04:02):
I had a physio with me on the road, so
he would check every day and check had that and
had the hit at the same time. So uh, it's
you know, And and once I got strong enough to
say you can go a bit harder, I push myself.
And besides that, I was you know, Jane, and my
wife's the best nurse in the world. She was, she's
been through this me before, and she she was feeding me.
And every morning I get up and have the juices

(01:04:25):
from growing in an organic garden, you know. Uh, I
had a fresh vegetables, fresh everything grown, fruit from our
own trees, all organic, and so I was I was
just getting everything was pumped, everything was goodness, It was love.
It was gonna be pumped into me. And everything was
cooked with love. And I think that you know that
that thing about you know, it's like like singing. If
you sing with love, people hear it. If you cook
with love, people can taste it and people can feel it,

(01:04:46):
and the goodness is there. And so I was surrounded
by by really great people and great love. There's a
lot of care and you know, just so many well
wishes from so many punters out there who are just
you know, wushing me the best along the way sort of.
They didn't want me to fall apart, so you know,
and luckily the other thing is luckily when it happened.
You know, leading up to that, I've gone through five years.

(01:05:09):
Prior to that, I've done through a lot of changes
in my life, and I'd got really healthy. I was
swimming you know, miles every day and through and all
that sort of stuff. So the doctor said, if I
hadn't been as healthy as I was when I went in,
I might not have made it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
So you think it hasn't changed your perspective on life?

Speaker 16 (01:05:25):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
Absolutely, you know, And every moment's precious and every you know,
and you know, and you really you can't take things
for granted. You do have to make an effort. You
do have to. You know, it's important. You know, I
want to be around to see my grandkids grow. I
want to be around and you know, and you know,
I want to you know, look at the sunset with
my with my wife. You know, I'm want to hold
her hand and you know, and feel that warmth. And

(01:05:47):
to do that you have to you have to take
the right steps.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Yeah, Jimmy, listen, hang on, Lea Tech, I want to
talk to you about you too. Do that next, Jimmy
Barnes Right now, twelve past eight, the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Right, It's quarter passed back with Jimmy Barnes. Now, Jimmy,
tell me what made you decide to do a tour
of this album forty years on? What brought this song
for you?

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
Well? It was it was such a record, was so
pivotal in my life and in my career. This song's
on this record changed my life forever. I remember making
it forty years ago. In nineteen eighty five, I was
I'd come out the back of Cold Chissel at the
end of December eighty three, when colchis were finished, I thought,
you know, I don't know how I'm going to follow

(01:06:32):
this band, such a great rock and roll band, you know,
I was. I wasn't a songwriter, you know. I just
started writing songs. I've had Don Walker, who's the best
songwriter in the world, I think, writing songs for colch Hazell.
So I was terrified about, you know, And I left
Cold Chizel February eighty four. I went up with I've
got a rock and roll little band or just guitars,
no keyboards anthing. It was real simple, and I went

(01:06:53):
and played all these little clubs all the way up
queens like North Queensland and back, and over the period
of a month I sort of phoned my feet as
just as you know, it wasn't wasn't pretty, and it
wasn't sort of flash. It was just raw and it
had emotion. And so I made a record and I
put that out and I thought, you know, this will
just sort of bridge the gap between the people won't
to compare me to coaches. And that record went to
number one and was Body Swerve, and I was so

(01:07:16):
that was really lucky, and it sort of gave me
a bit of breathing room. But in what it did
was it allowed me to sit back and go, this
next record I make is the one that's either going
to make or break me. So I've got to make
something great here. So I went to America to write
a lot of songs and to do a lot of
work for this record. I was working with Bob clear Mountain,
who's a record producer who's one of the best in

(01:07:37):
the world. I redid all the songs from Body Swerve
and and packed them up for this, and then I
needed a bunch of other songs, and so I wrote
and wrote with people. Uh, you know, I've made a
lot of friends over the years. Mick Fleetwood, you know,
was a dear friend of mine and I love making.
He's one of the sweetest guys in the world, but
also one of the great drumas. You know, So Mick

(01:07:58):
Mick was Mick was around and Mix said I want
to get involved, and he was introducing me to players
Billy Burnett, who was the nephew of Dorsey Burnett of
the Rock and Roll Trio, which is one of the
great rockabilly bands in the world, who I loved. So
Billy became friends of mine, and we were there and uh,
you know, we uh we uh we were still of
good in the studio and recorded a few tracks. I

(01:08:19):
started writing some songs I wrote with a guy called
Chas Sanford. Chas was was a huge writer at the time,
and he'd written you know, Talked to Me for Steve
v Nix and Missing You for John Waite. He'd been
writing songs for Don Henley and and he gave me
a song called a Diaty be with You Tonight. And
I remember getting that song and thinking, this is a
really good song. This is a big step in the

(01:08:41):
right direction from my record so starting to gain a
bit of confidence. A week later, I was in the
record company in Geffrid Records, with the A and R guy,
and he said I had been contacted by Steve van
Zandt and Steve van Zant was the guitar player from
Bruce's band, Bruce Bringsteen's band, and that was a huge
fan of Stevie van and he said to stevee who

(01:09:01):
loves your voice and wants to write a song for you.
So him and Steve Jordan, who is now the druma
from the Rolling Stones, I got together and sent me
a demo of a song they wrote together. And it's
like Steve van Zandt playing an acoustic guitar and singing
into a dictaphone with Steve Jordan playing drums on the
back of his couch, and it sounded just amazing. And
so that was right the night away. So I had
these two songs under my belt and I knew it

(01:09:24):
was going to be good. I wrote a song called
Without Your Love. It's a love song for Jane, my wife,
and I went and recorded it with with Mick Fleetwood
and a whole bunch of really great players. And then
the last sort of big piece of the puzzle came
when I met with a guy called Jonathan came and
so Jonathan was was he'd been in a band called
The Babies, who I really liked, and and and he

(01:09:45):
was in Journey. And I did know a lot about Journey,
but I knew they were massive in America, but they
never they never translated to Australia, so we didn't know
him much here. But anyway, Jonathan came in and we
were talking and he was asking he obviously hadn't been
in Australia New Zealand. He was asking about what it
was like to tour down down this part of the world.
And I was explaining how the audience is a pretty

(01:10:06):
pretty tough you know, if you don't like it, it's like,
you know, they'll throw things back. Yeah, and if they
like you, they love you. And I said, you know,
the soul of the youth people that came out and
the Saturday and I kicked their bloody. He was up
and then you know, Monday morning, the back of work
and they're looking after their family so they get their
care and he mustay he took it all in. I
could see him, and he went away, and a week
later he sent me a song working Classmen, and I

(01:10:26):
remember hearing the demo and thinking, I think this song's
going to define my career literally, and uh so I
finished recording those songs. By the time I'd finished recording both,
you know, all those songs, I knew I had a
really good record. I felt. I felt I had a
really good record on my on my hands, and it
was just now it was how to get it across

(01:10:47):
to people. I came back to Australia and Michael Godinski,
my dear friend and my partner and crime who you
know who I loved daily. Michael and I sat and
we had so many songs I had to be a
double record and he going, we're talking at the time,
and I remember a double record in nineteen eighty five.
I think it might have been forty five dollars or
something like that was expensive, and that's too expensive. You know,

(01:11:09):
people are struggling, you know. It was like it's like
the times are now, you know, people were making hard
times back to buy records, and so we did everything
we could. We pulled favors from the art department, so
we did all this and we managed to get the
record and we and we we got we got them
so they could put it out at nineteen ninety nine,
so it was under twenty dollars and to get a
double album under twenty dollars, and I said, well we should,

(01:11:30):
we should make a point of this and just say
this is for the working class people. So we called
it for the Working Class Man. And I think the
fact that we came from the the it wasn't a gimmick,
It wasn't sort of trying to you know, trying to
play people, was trying to make things worth while for
them and thinking thinking about the situation of the public.
They all sort of jumped on it and ended up

(01:11:52):
just going crazy. It was, you know, sold six hundred
thousand copies and it was a record that was sort
of that literally changed my life.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Yeah, I'm looking for to seeing it. Love Jimmy, listen,
look after yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
Yes, I will likes to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Yeap, brilliant to talk to you. Jimmy Barnes. He'll be
bringing the fortieth anniversary of For the Working Classman the
Album to New Zealand and will be doing it in
the first half of next years. To keep an eye
out for that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Eight twenty one, Heather dup c ellen on the my
Casking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate news Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
There'd be Kerry, who's the operations manager at Central It
and Business Supplies, as a Resonate Hearing Aids subscriber himself,
and after speaking with Allan from Resonate about how hearing
aids hearing effects confidence, communication, and even cognitive function, something
click because he realized one of his young team members, Jacob,
had been quietly struggling with his hearing for years. Could

(01:12:40):
work are really great attitude, but in a noisy workplace,
he wasn't hearing well and that makes everything harder. So
Kerry reached out to Resonate again, this time to see
what could be done for Jacob, and that's when he
heard about Resonate sponsorship program and so Central ITM made
the call they would sponsor Jacob's hearing and cover the
ninety dollars monthly subscription for his hearing aids so that
he could get top of the rage. Hearing Aids ongoing

(01:13:00):
care and the change has been immediate. Jacob's part of
conversations again, He's more confident with the customers. He's contributing
a heap more. Whole team can feel it. And this
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Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Forgever do to Ce Allen Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Got the meetings Zelenski meeting at number ten Downing Street,
which has been happening overnight our time. We're going to
have a chat very very shortly to Rod Little, UK correspondent.
Just see what his take on that is for you, Heather,
I'm looking forward to seeing Jimmy play and christ Church.
It's the twentieth wedding anniversary with the VIP tickets to
watch this legion play for the fifth time. Life doesn't
get much better. Good on your shame. He's played was

(01:13:47):
the seventeen April in christ Church, nineteen April in a Sunday.
It is always hard to start a week with a concert,
but you know, you know, you only live once, so
I think we might get the girls along time go
for a concert club. We've got an unexpected problem with
the younger generation getting all the diagnosis. You know how
the younger generation loves knowing that they've got the ADHD

(01:14:07):
and the anxiety and the depression and stuff like that.
Unexpected problem with this is that they are now expecting
to retire early because they cannot imagine having to work
with all of these you know, encumbrances, these burdens until
last sixty five. So this is research out of the
UK that shows thirty five percent of employees aged between
sixteen and twenty four reckon they're going to have to

(01:14:28):
stop working for health reasons early. And it's the highest
of any highest share of any generational group, right, which
be no surprise to you whatsoever. Now this is potentially
I would just like to point out to you problematic
for Western economies, because if it's happening in the UK,
it's happening here, it's happening in America, it's happening in
Australia and everywhere. Because trouble is, we need these little
guys to keep paying for our you know, working to

(01:14:50):
pay for our pensions. So sort it out, mum and dad,
because they are our workers of the future. Police fix
it for us. Got a little next news too.

Speaker 16 (01:14:58):
Zitbeat.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Asking the questions others won't Heather Duplicy Allen on the mic,
asking breakfast with the defender embraced the impossible news.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Togsad b hither you are the most shameless generational traitor ever.
You run down our generation just for engagement bait from
the boomers.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Ghoul.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
I'm look, I'm flattered that you think that I am
Generation Z, but I will remind you Generation Z is
currently aged between what's sixteen and twenty four? So I
missed that by m I mean like maybe.

Speaker 10 (01:15:47):
Twenty just slightly, just you dismissed it, just a.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Casual twenty years but a look, never mind, and anyway,
look for being a traitor, I am a traitor to
the millennials as well, which I am part of because
you know, if the shoe fits listen on the trade deal,
can I just ruin you through? This is really awesome.
Got the strongest hint yet that afraid trade deal between
ourselves and India might actually be signed next year because
the Trade Minister Tom McClay was speaking at a business

(01:16:12):
council thing the Indian New Zealand Business Council event Friday
evening in Auckland and said he thinks it's going to
be signed next year. This is lining up with what
business desk is hearing from a whole bunch of sources
that it looks like next year and what that means
is that Luxon goes to India maybe in January. I
think it's January next year rather than January twenty seven,
and Mody makes a trip over here. So that is

(01:16:33):
very very big news. Twenty two away from.

Speaker 12 (01:16:34):
Nine International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Rod Little, UK correspondent is with us right now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Hi there, rod Hi, I had a good talk.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Good to talk to you, mate. Listen, how do you
think that meeting went for Zelenski at number ten?

Speaker 15 (01:16:52):
Well that was a number ten about as well for
Zelensky as it could go. But he is, as Donald
Trump keeps telling him, has no cards. The only cards
he has are Europe basically, and Europe is still firmly
behind Ukraine, but it doesn't have the muscle to back

(01:17:15):
that up. So this was a meeting with Sakir Starmarrimanuel Macrol,
Friedrich Metz and Vladimir Vladimir is Zelensky and Vlaelenski says
Ukraine can't manage without European and American support. And these
were builders kind of crisis talks. Given the Trump has
been snippy again about Zelensky and said that Puden seems

(01:17:36):
to us to have accepted the deal, which he hasn't done,
of course, which is the other problem. But what Starmer said,
and what I think you're going to hear from the
French and Germans is somewhere a little short of no,
Zelensky mustn't keep up any land. I think you're not
going to hear that. Starma was effusive in his praise

(01:17:59):
of Donald Trump for attempting to find a peaceful settlement,
but said that Ukraine shouldn't be left behind, must be supported,
and that Putin mustn't be allowed to win, but came
a long way short of giving the kind of unequivocal
backing which undoubtedly Zelensky wants.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
What do you think, rod is the most likely outcome
here is that Zelensky gives up all the land that
Pusan wants, or does he just give up a.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Portion of it?

Speaker 15 (01:18:28):
I think probably the majority of it. I think kind
of Crimea is a foregone conclusion, isn't it. And there
is a very very strong argument to say that in
any case Crimea should be part of Russia, given its
ethnic population, given the long historic alliance between Crimea and Moscow.

(01:18:51):
The one sticky area, the one area where perhaps Selensky
can get something back, is on don Bass, where again
there's a very large Russian speaking population. But he does
have more moral and kind of philosophical and moral claim

(01:19:12):
over the area. But how it will all end, God
only knows. All of it will depend on the end
on Vladimir Putin, which is not the best of all
possible options, is it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
No, not at all. Now I see the Scottish news
at the center of the strange gender round seems to
have won a little bit of a victorysity.

Speaker 15 (01:19:29):
She has, indeed, and I broke open the champagne a
short while ago. There's just me here, but I thought
i'd toast her in kind of private. Yeah. I mean
everything has changed in this country as a consequence of
the Supreme Court decision of April the sixteenth this year,
which made it quite clear that in legal purposes woman

(01:19:52):
meant a biological female, and that has changed everything. There
are still plenty of people who resisted, including those from
the NHS service in Fife in Scotland, which relentlessly persecuted
this poor woman Sandy Peggy, a nurse who objected to
having a bloke changing in her changing room. You know,

(01:20:13):
she said, I don't want to do this, and they
persecuted her and persecuted her, and now they've been done
for it, and there will be some settlement, as in
the Scottish legal system, will go later to a settlement
which will give her some money. But that's not the point.
It's a moral issue. But we had last week the
Girl Guides Association and the Women's Institute, both of whom

(01:20:37):
still cleave to the delusion that a transgendered woman is
actually a real woman. They're still cleaning to that, but
accepting the law and saying that henceforth only women, biological
women will be allowed into the Guides and the Women's Institute.
So that Supreme Court decision has been game changer. And

(01:21:01):
here's my guest, because I don't believe that the law
is always pristine and dolliest and beyond a political bias.
I don't think the Supreme Court decision would have come
to that decision. The Supreme Court would have come to
that decision four years ago. You know, I think there's
been a whole seed change on the issue here and

(01:21:21):
that's part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Yeah, I quite agree with you.

Speaker 12 (01:21:23):
Rod.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Always lovely to chat, to enjoy those bubbles. That's Rod Little,
UK correspondent on the subject of the UK be something
of a win for Prince Harry as well because he's
won a battle to get a full security risk assessment
done by the UK government. Now this has been long standing,
ongoing and it seemed to have died of death in public,
but on the quiet he's still been going at it.

(01:21:45):
And basically how if you don't remember how it started,
was because when he fled with MiGs, it with what
sourface he left the Royals, they basically they got snippy
with them and they cut him off for his security,
which was a wild thing to do actually, because whether
you like him or not, the guy is at risk, right,
I mean he's given the highest risk category, probably because
he runs his mouth off and does stupid things like

(01:22:05):
runs off with Megan Markle and and the other people
in the category at the time were like to raise
a may the Prime Minister, then the Queen who is
the monarch at the time. So you know, if he's
up there with those two, he's really at a fair
bit of risk anyway, he's been quite fighting it on
the quiet. Still, It's been reported that he was told
on Friday that the Royal and the VIP Executive Committee
which they call RAVAK, which is the Home Office committee

(01:22:27):
responsible for decisions like this, this has changed. Tech has
instructed its risk management board to reassess his threat level
for the first time in nearly six years. The good
news for him, of course, is if they ressess, I mean, look,
this could be part of him making up with Charles
with dad. If they reassess it, if they say yep,
you need security, may open the door to him bringing
the family over to come and see because I don't

(01:22:47):
even know if Granddad's met the grandkids, but they might
open that door and there might be a bit of
a reconciliation. So fingers crossed for him, because that was
a bit of a crime against him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Donald Trump has just he's just in the middle of
hosting an economic focus roundtable at the where the White
House and just basically telling us everything that they've decided.
But one of the things is that he is committed
to tackling affordability, even though of course Donald Trump doesn't
think there is an affordability crisis.

Speaker 14 (01:23:20):
Affordability, but you can call it affordability or anything you want.
But the Democrats caused the affordability problem, and we're the
ones that are fixing it. So it's a very simple statement.
They caused it, we're fixing it. And they have a
tendency to just say this election is based on affordability,
and nobody questions him, you know, nobody says, well, what

(01:23:42):
do you mean by that, But they just say the word.
They never said anything else because they caused the problem.
But we're fixing the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Yeah. So anyway, the tariffs are brought in a whole
lot of money to the American economy, and as a result,
he can now pay farmers all the money he's got.

Speaker 14 (01:23:57):
We're taking in billions, were really get in trillions of
dollars if you think about it, Scott, because the real numbers,
you know, when you think of all the money being
poured into the country for new auto plants and all
of the other things.

Speaker 16 (01:24:11):
AI.

Speaker 14 (01:24:12):
So what we're doing is we're taking a relatively small portion.

Speaker 22 (01:24:17):
Of that and we're going to be giving and providing
it to the farmers in economic assistance. And we love
our farmers, and as you know, the farmers like me
because you know, based on voting trends. You could coote
voting trends or anything else, but they're great people.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
They are the backbone of our country.

Speaker 14 (01:24:38):
So we're going to use that money to provide twelve
billion dollars in economic assistance to American farmers. Twelve billion
is a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Yeah, and the twelve billion is obviously needed because the
tariffs are just working so well amazing. Now, The Economist
has revealed its list of the best performing countries across
the rich world. I'm sorry to tell I'm going to
run you through this really quickly. I'm sorry to tell
you we're in the bottom six. So it is not
a surprise. Look whatever, it's going to get better next year.
This is just this is We've already been through this.

(01:25:09):
It's onwards and upwards from here. So thirty six in
the in the list in total, we're number thirty one,
so it goes US, Lithuania, Austria, Estonia, Finland, Slovakia. Australia
is middle of the pack at eighteen. Top of the
pack with number one Portugal, then Ireland, then Israel. Then
in fourth place shared are Columbia and Spain, and then
sixth place shared Czech Republican Greece. Now how the economist

(01:25:32):
does this. They've done it for about I think it's
about five years now. They measure five different indicators inflation, inflation, breadth, GDP, jobs,
stock market performance through the aggregate of it, and then
they rank the countries. What's let us down is jobs
because there's been a one point three percent rise in unemployment,
our GDP being rubbish, and then a very small increase
in share prices. They say it's about three percent. I mean,

(01:25:52):
compare that to for example, Israel that's at fifty three
percent increase in their share prices. Good for us though,
inflation which has come right back, so that helped us
out a little bit. Right at the top, Portugil, what's
going right for them is combined strong growth at GDP
growth that's about two point four percent, low inflation, buoyant
stock market they're going up at twenty one percent. Tourism

(01:26:13):
has boomed, Plenty of rich foreigners are moving to the
country as well to take advantage of low taxes and
the GDP. That number I gave you is above average
for the European area. The Czech Republican Columbia also post
decent increases in both output and employment, pushing them into
the top third of the ranking. So I am picking
that this has been our horrible year. So I'm picking

(01:26:36):
next year you're going to be going up that list.
I'll look forward to it. Nine away from nine Heather.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Do Pussy Allen on the mic, asking breakfast with Alvida Retirement,
Communities News tog sad b Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Here the Tori Fano presenting a petition to the Green
Party about politicians behavior has got to be the funniest
news of the year. Richard, thank you, actually, Richard, thank
you for drawing that to my attention, because this was
completely outside my orbit of what's going on in my life.
But yeah, at eleven o'clock today there will be a
handover of a petition calling on the ministers in Chris
low Well, basically calling on Chris Luxen to take control

(01:27:08):
of his government and take responsibility and stop the ministers
from I don't know, breaching ministerial I don't know standards.
What is it. It's a problem with apparently disinformation, harassing
other people in sewing division for political gain and apparently
David Seymour and Winnipee are the worst at it, which
is like lola la la lol, because how about you
pay your HOSPR your restaurant bill before you start telling

(01:27:31):
other people, and maybe don't tell FIBs about having to
sell your car for paying your mortgage. And when you
finished doing that, then we can talk about this other stuff.
Five away from nine.

Speaker 13 (01:27:40):
Trending now the warehouse, the real house of fragrances.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
So Dave Portnoy has found himself in a little bit
of trouble. Raiders v. Broncos. Yesterday the Broncos well won
twenty four to seventeen, but right at the end of
the game, the Raiders kicked a field goal, which meant
that the overall points scored was outside the betting margin.
It also meant that Portnoy lost two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars and he immediately took to Twitter or x
or whatever to let everyone know.

Speaker 14 (01:28:06):
That's the worst feed of all time and will you
have to investigate the Raiders, and that investigates the Raiders,
what are they doing?

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
That's the worst beet.

Speaker 16 (01:28:17):
Of all time?

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
That is cheating.

Speaker 6 (01:28:20):
Pete Carroll should be in prison.

Speaker 11 (01:28:22):
Prison for Pete Carroll, the reps, everybody, this is prison.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
This is prison.

Speaker 8 (01:28:30):
They fightd the ball by the way, they ran up
and spiked it.

Speaker 12 (01:28:34):
As a templar prison Pete Carroll murder Pete Carroll.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Oh well, that last bit didn't go down very well,
did it, Because this is the same guy who's been
on Fox the last few months talking about threats against
Jews and how no one should be threatening them. So
he's apologized and he said he and his company are
anti murder, which is I mean, you know, like.

Speaker 10 (01:28:54):
You gotta not all companies are anti murder, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
I think that I would be fair. I think I
would react much the same way if I lost two
hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Heather December eighth, and New York.
Forty five years since John Lennon was killed, as it
worth a mention, Yes, it is forty five years since
John Lennon was murdered. Also, if we're going to do
today's date, though, I mean Jim Morrison's birth. First issue

(01:29:22):
of the New Zealand's Women's Weekly was sent out in
nineteen thirty two. I think it was distributed basically to
lift everyone's lift the spirit of women during the depression,
which frankly magazine would have done that. It was a
low web and we went to war in nineteen forty
one with Japan, so there you go, bag old day
in history. Well, good luck, sir Chris Luxen with that

(01:29:43):
pressure on ministerial standards from Tory Fano. I wouldn't want
to be under that kind of pressure from somebody like that.
And also good luck to Chris Bishop and everybody else
involved in the RMA reform today, which is going public
at one o'clock, oh overdue. Have a nice day.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
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