Full Show Podcast: 09 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
Morning and welcome to the show. It's OCR day today.
They're probably not going to cut. They should cut though,
ASP's nicked toughly on that we are the last country
in the developed world apparently to get an AI strategy,
but we have one. Now We're going to speak to
the minister, Shane Ritti or the actual point of a
strategy is Auckland Councilor Shane Henderson on why the Mobrays
pulled out of that free stadium and the plan to

(00:34):
bring back the more for realist time politics Wednesday as.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Well after eight Heather duplic Len.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Okay, here's a prediction for you that TV and Z
review and tobias is not going to change anything, because
there is bias and we know it and we have
many examples. But a case in point recently, TV and
Z from what I can see, has not touched the
fact that the Marti Party co leader are Yt called
the leader of Burkina Faso, who banned homosexuality in this country.
His quote modern day hero Evan hasn't touched the story.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I've heard that somebody at TV and Z told act
it's not a story. I can't verify that, but the
fact that they haven't touched it suggests that they don't
see it as a story. Now, compare that to the
meal that TV and Z had on Winston peters comments
comparing Labour's COVID policies to Nazi German ideology. They went
mental on it. Both stories have exactly the same kind

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of vibe. Both are minor party leaders who say something
that offends people about a foreign bad guy, but only
one of them gets pummeled Winston Peters, that's bias. Now,
how does a review fix something like that? Even if
the review does find bias, and I don't reckon it will,
by the way, because when you pay for a review,
you get out of a review exactly what you want.
But even if it does find bias, what are the bosses? Then?

(01:45):
Do do they instruct the junior reporters to make sure
they do stories on every outrageous thing that an MPCE
is not some just all of it, or do they
go the opposite way and say we're not going to
cover any outrageous things that an MP says. How do
you determine what is outrageous enough to cover or not
to cover? And if you do one outrageous comment story
featuring an MP from the left, do you then have
to for balance and for making sure there's no bias,

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do a story featuring an MP from the right. What
is outrageous enough to be covered in those circumstances, So
you can see where this goes, right. Frankly, I don't
think a review can change bias. Bias in a newsroom
as big as TVNZ is so entrenched it would take
years to change.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Personally, I'm of the view actually that the only way
around this is to own your bias. Every single one
of us has a bias. I have a bias, You
have a bias. Every reporter at TVNZ will have a bias.
Having a bias is not a bad thing. Pretending you
don't is the problem. So just admits it. Let people
factor it in when they listen to what you're saying,
and maybe the trust that tv and Z wants to
lift will follow.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Mccron is in the UK, he's made a speech at
Westminster basically about how amazing the UK and France are together.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Let's be sure that we will meet again four years
and decade, because we'll by our geography, by our busts.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Over in the US, it's Cabinet meeting day for Trump
and he was asked about Pete Hegseth's job safety after
claims he's on the chopping blog in the chaos in
the Defense department.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
Peached one fantastically that mission was a work of art.
And I have spoken to some of our perceived I
don't know of their enemies, but they're perceived as being
potential enemies, and they essentially said the same thing. Very impressive.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
And if Pambondi thought that the Epstein Furroori would die
down in a day, she's dead wrong. The latest talking
point is the mysterious missing minute in the eleven hour
prison video.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
They redo that video.

Speaker 7 (03:39):
It's all from like nineteen ninety nine, so every night
the video is reset and every night should have the
same minute missing.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
So we're looking for that video.

Speaker 7 (03:48):
To release that as well, showing that a minute is
missing every night.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Now, the Post Office scandal inquiry is rolling on. It's
becoming clear the settlements will be complicated and also massive.

Speaker 8 (03:57):
There were three hundred and forteens which had been submitted
between May twenty twenty and the twenty seventh of November
twenty twenty, but it's still not been settled.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
This woman is the oldest surviving victim of the scandal.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
For twenty cent years when they kicked it.

Speaker 8 (04:16):
So we've to survive on benefit rates of living.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
The Women's Euros tournament in football is underway and England
kick off their campaign tomorrow, so q the it's coming
home messages.

Speaker 9 (04:29):
We have players that can create something out of nothing,
so I think making sure that everyone's in a good
headspace going into that game tomorrow is important and that's
what we've been doing as a team.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Now. Finally, if you are eating breakfast, I'm going to
apologize to you for this, but a group of scientists
have come up with the law of urination. The research
was done at the Georgia Institute of Technology as to
how long we should be weiing. It found out that
any mammal over three kgs that's you, by the way,
should take about twenty one seconds to completely empty your bladder. Now,

(05:02):
if you consistently go for a year A mum, I
don't know. You're you have to get back to the desk.
You're under pressure, and you just whip that way out
real fast. Go for shorter than twenty one seconds or
excessively long. It could signal underlying health issues. And I
promise that is absolutely the end of that chat for
the morning. That is news of the world for ninety seconds. No,

(05:24):
we're not going to go there anyway. Listen, someone's impersonating
Marco Rubio. They don't know who the fraudster is, but
somebody is using AI to impersonate the US Secretary of State.
They've sent fake voice messages, they've sent texts, and the
voice messages mimic Rubio's voice, and the texts mimic his
writing style. And this whoever this is, has contacted three

(05:45):
foreign ministers pretending to be Marco Rubio. Also contacted a
US governor and a member of Congress, and is trying
to gain access to information or accounts of powerful government officials.
Now the trouble with I mean this kind get used
to it. This kind of thing is going to happen
more and more. And the trouble, all of course, is
the second impersonation like this to hit the White House,
because last time it was the Chief of Staff Susie Wiles.
Six thirteen.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
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Speaker 3 (06:16):
You will be aware by now if you've been listening
to the news the government's made some changes around family
trusts making it easier to sell houses and so on.
So we'll get you across that, and we're going to
speak to actually family Trusts New Zealand after half past
Right now, it's sixteen past six. Andrew callener JMI Wealth.

Speaker 10 (06:34):
Is with me. Morning Andrew Pery, Good morning Heather.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right, it's the big day o CR day. What are
you reckon's happening?

Speaker 10 (06:40):
Well, you're excited irb in zday official cash rate, So
club sandwiches are getting put together down on the terrace
and a little lad so today we will know. So
you have to admit though that the excitement is somewhat
dulled by the fact that we actually expect nothing to happen.

Speaker 11 (06:54):
So not exactly a cliffhanger.

Speaker 10 (06:57):
Yeah, so Reserve Bank's staying on hold with the cash
right three in a course, that's very much the consensus call,
but you never know, we get surprises. We got one
in Australia yesterday. We'll talk about that in the minute.
But so what are the key drivers I suppose behind
the ARB and Z staying and hold. Well, you know, firstly,
I think you've got to acknowledge we're sort of moving
towards the turning point out we were rather the end
point on monetary policy normalization. It was only a year

(07:19):
ago the cash rate was at five and a half.
So we've had two one hundred and twenty five basis
points of easy.

Speaker 11 (07:25):
In New Zealand. You know, we're all well aware of this. Now,
it takes.

Speaker 10 (07:29):
Time for that to flow through to householders pockets because
we have so many mortgage.

Speaker 11 (07:33):
Holds on fixed rates.

Speaker 10 (07:34):
So we're in that lag and we're now in that
sweet spot where those fixed strate loans are being repriced,
and you could vargue there's only so much more than
another twenty five basis points can do at this point.
I just want to make a call out as well
here that one thing that's often lost in this discussion
is the very large cohort of people that receive interest,
you know, investors, people who do term deposits and there's

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been some research done recently. It's just this is actually
quite important because they've got less money to spend. Then
lower intrates reduced their income, so we've had a lot
of easing Q one GDP growth. Despite all the gnashing
of teeth out there, growth in the first quarter was
actually stronger than expected, so you have that momentum darting
point was higher. And the recent inflation data I'm now

(08:15):
talking about things like Selected Price Index has showed that,
you know, there's a bit of heat and things like
food prices. So Q two Q three, second quarter, third quarter,
we could see them up into high twos, which is
well away from the midpoint of that one to three
percent band. And there's still the ever present uncertainty around
what the heck happens on global trade. The RBS that

(08:36):
also alluded to sort of being informed by market pricing,
the market saying no change, so we need to be
I think also very cogniz of the fact. I think
Sharon Zolar referred to this talking to Andrew a few
minutes ago. Remember that the CPI is the sole mandate
for the arbans that they don't have a growth target.
You know, they're not with their CPI is the only

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thing that.

Speaker 11 (08:56):
They've got to do.

Speaker 10 (08:58):
But look, I think they should problem shift the rate
because we have seen the cute that looks like the
second quarter we've gone into a bit of a hole
and that, Yeah, the only thing that lurks in the
back of my mind whether that ends at QSB at
the quarter of his survey of business opinion suggested that
there was just very little pricing or cost pressure in
that second quarter, plenty of spare capacity.

Speaker 11 (09:19):
I probably think on the day.

Speaker 10 (09:21):
That that's not enough to sway them away from those
other points.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, obviously this is day two of cash changes in Australasia.
What did you make of them yesterday?

Speaker 10 (09:30):
Well, they gave us a little bit of a wake
up called and they were the central bank watchers. They
left rates unchanged and yesterday I said that consensus calls
are twenty five basis pointcut. So they showed me it
didn't they look so it was a surprise. But there
were some commentators that were pigning it. So good on them,
but it was a split decision six to three, so
certainly not a consensus call. Governor Bullock did make some

(09:53):
observations in the press conference afterwards.

Speaker 11 (09:56):
I think key things she said there.

Speaker 10 (09:57):
Was the decision was about timing, not direct, so they're
just going to take their time. They still think they're
moving there. She referred to the monthly CPI data being volatile.
They interpret it differently from people like the Big bank
chief economists. They also said that in the monthly CPI
data they've got a two point one percent headline inflation number.
They said that they think inflation is actually running higher

(10:20):
than that. But two things were key for them, global uncertainty.
There's that word again. And also and contrast to the RBNZ.
They do have a dual mandate, so they've got a mandate.
They've got we we used to have that, we don't anymore.
They've got the mandate of price stability and full employment.
And they say, right now across the TASM and the
employment market's still looking pretty robust. We know that because

(10:42):
we've got heaps of New Zealander's heading over there looking
for jobs. Look, on the day it pushed OZ the
interest rates up a little bit, the shell market full
of little back to the market direction with relat every music,
and it just kind of got on with their.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Lives, all right, Give me the numbers Andrew.

Speaker 10 (10:55):
Sure can so plenty of Tarif dramas going on out there,
but the US markets are taking it relatively in their
stride as well. The Dow Jones is down one hundred
and seventeen points, that's only about quarter percent forty four thousand,
two hundred and eighty eight. The S and P five
hundreds up two points, so we'll call that barely changed
six two three to two, and the Nasdaq is up
point one four percent twenty eight points twenty thousand, four

(11:18):
hundred and forty overnight the forty one hundred. The UK
market gained around half percent eight a five four the neck.
The Japanese gained about a quarter percent three nine six
eight eight, the Chinese market three four nine seven.

Speaker 11 (11:31):
That's a Shanghai competit. That's up point seven.

Speaker 10 (11:33):
I said, barely any move in the Aussie the ASEX
two hundred eighty five nine. Oh the mark there the
ends NEX fifty we had quite a good day is
they gained three cores of percent. That's ninety four points,
twelve thousand, eight hundred and fifty nine. The Kiwi dollar
is starting the day the nice round point six zero
zero zero against the US dollar point nine one nine
zero against the ossie point five one one nine euro

(11:54):
point four four one six pounds eighty eight point o
five Japanese en gold is trading at three three hundred
and six dollars and break cruit seventy dollars and thirty
five cents.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Good stuff. Andrew, thanks so much. You have yourself a
lovely morning. That's Andrew Calliherve Jay my wealth. Listen. If
you were expecting anything on the Israel Hummas cisfire, not
nothing soon. Trump keeps talking it up. Is happening very shortly.
But actually officials and Katasa they're not even talking to
each other yet, they're just talking to a third party
at being the Katari's at the moment. So you know,
hold your horses on that.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
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Speaker 3 (12:32):
By the way, on that Donald Trump Cabinet meeting, it's
been asked, obviously as you would, about the tariff deadline.
And you know, apparently the tariff deadline, it was never
July nine, it was always August one.

Speaker 6 (12:42):
It's always been August first, as long a statement has
been put out today and I put it out just
to make it clear.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
It wasn't a change.

Speaker 11 (12:50):
It was August first.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
We don't change very much.

Speaker 12 (12:52):
You know.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
Every time we put out a statement, they say he
made a change. I didn't make a change. Clarification maybe
no August for the pay and everybody pays. Everybody has
to pay. And the incentive is that they have the
right to deal in the United States.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
If they don't want to, they don't have to pay,
and they don't have to deal there.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
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Speaker 3 (13:15):
Turns out we love our Dino movies. Cannot get enough
of these things. We have got the official final numbers
for the Jurassic World Rebirth opening and it is the
biggest movie of the year so far. It pulled in
three hundred and twenty two and a half million US
dollars at the global box office, which is the highest
opening in twenty twenty five, just beats out that Minecraft movie,
which came at three one three, three hundred and thirteen

(13:37):
million usd Jurassic Park movie. We'll need to continue at
the strong pace because it needs to pass four hundred
and fifty MILI rights on three two two. It needs
to get to four five zero just to break even.
But perhaps more significantly, it's a really big milestone for
the stars Scarlet Johansson, because thanks to this success, she
is now the biggest, the highest grossing box office lead

(13:57):
actor of all time, aka the most bankable star in Hollywood.
All of her movies combined when she's the lead have
earned nearly twenty six billion US dollars globally. She passed
Samuel L. Jackson, who's previously number one, and Robert Downey
Junior on her way to the top. Good for her, Heather. Absolutely,
newspapers that are openly biased are the most interesting ones anyway.

(14:20):
Now you're talking Jen, this is absolutely anybody who tries
to kind of tread a middle ground dull as go
and read the Guardian, go and read the Telegraph. They
just own their biases. It makes it all the more
fun to read them. And you've got to read both
of them so you get a full global perspective. Hither.
I don't think it's biased that you were talking about earlier.
I think quite simply Winston Peters was the Deputy Prime
Minister at the time he made the comments, puts them

(14:41):
in puts them in the highlights. Well, fair enough, but
go and compare it to tvz's treatment of the ACT
Party MP Mark Tameron and his climate change tweets. He wasn't.
Deputy PM News is next.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Setting the agenda and talking the big issues either duper
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retirement communities, life your way News dogs, there'd be right.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Well, you will have seen yesterday that the Mowbrays have
pulled their offer of building this free stadium at Western
Springs for Auckland. It would have cost it. I'm completely
gutted by this. I've been told I'm super naive and
it was never gonna happen anyway. And what was I thinking?
But I was banking on it given that you know,
they've done something unimaginable with the football team. They said
they were going to set one up. It was going

(15:34):
to do well. It won the competition. So with a well,
if these people can set up a football team and
throw that much money at it, they must be serious
about the Western Springs stadium. And then yesterday is he gone.
And it's a bummer because it would have cost Auckland nothing.
They were going to put about three hundred million. They
say it's just taking too long dealing with the council.
We're going to have a chat to Shane Henderson, counselor
after seven o'clock just get his take on what exactly
has happened here. It's twenty two away from seven.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
The anti money and laundering announcements continue from the government.
This time they're loosening the rules around purchasing a home
with a family trust. The new approach will allow real
estate agents to apply some simplified due diligence for low
risk sales. Janet Zookoa is the managing director of New
Zealand Family Trust Services and with us. Hello Janet, our
good morning. Had that how cumbersome is it to buy
a house through a family trust?

Speaker 13 (16:21):
Oh, it's dreadful, I mean right now under AML well
up until the new changes im ol legislation has really
placed on all of us that's involved in transactions a
one size fit all compliance machine when it comes down
to trust transactions, and we've had to follow a set
of high water mark obligations. In other words, we've adapted

(16:46):
a set of rules and put them in place, and
those rules don't usually don't match the actual risk involved
in the transactions. So it's made it hard on everyday
New Zealanders to get their transactions through. It's not facilitated
business and personal transactions. So legislation is not great when

(17:08):
it's doing that because it's stemmying what should be happening
in our economy.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
So it's basically up to agents to make an assessment
of the person and decide whether the low risk or not.
But how would they do that.

Speaker 13 (17:20):
It's not just agents, it's lawyers, it's accountants. I mean,
that's part of the part of the problem. Just before
I answer that that question, that is part of the problem.
You have got clients providing the same information over and
over again. It's the legislation has been complex, it's been
time consuming, it's competitive, not to mention expensive. So these

(17:43):
changes are really a welcome relief to know. To most providers,
what have had to happen with all of the people
that are involved in am L. Where we have those
obligations is that we have to obtain identity documents, get
those verified, but not only trustee but also for beneficiary,
so we have to really drill down. We have to

(18:04):
verify sources of wealth, which means frequently, as like the
Mile of nineteenth for example, frequently we have got to
write to lawyers and accountants and ask where the source
of where the money has come from that's actually purchased
these assets despite the assets being in a trust for
maybe twenty or thirty years by ordinary every day hard
works and keyweks. So it's quite it's been quite a basis,

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it's it just hasn't. The rules just have not bettered
the trend, the actual risk involved in the transaction. So
it's kind of for me, I think, I think it's
really a welcome relief that we're going to see common sense,
pragmatic approach with proportionality in mind being adopted now where

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our actual compliance work is going to match the risk
involved in the transaction.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
And Janet, thank you for talking us sort appreciate it.
Jenet Z co and Managing director for New Zealand Family
Trust Service is limited. Heither do for feel Democrats are
having a field day with the fact that the Epstein
files aren't going to be released. The versen to the
Justice Department demanding to see the things, the reporters are
still asking about it, and Donald Trump is just outraged.

Speaker 6 (19:10):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey in Epsin? This guy's
been talked about for years. You're asking, we have Texas,
we have this, we have all of the things with
and are people still talking about this guy? This creep.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
So that is unbrelievable.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
And Pam Bondi, who has spent months hyping everybody up
for the release of the files, had some explaining to do.

Speaker 7 (19:34):
In February, I did an interview on Fox and it's
been getting a lot of attention because I said, I
was asked a question about the client list, and my
response was it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed,
meaning the file along with the JFK MLK files as well.

(19:55):
That's what I meant by that. Also to the tens
of thousands of video they it turned out to be
child porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein. Child porn
is what they were never going to be released, never
going to see the lighted day.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Right, while we're in the US, we'll go to Richard
Arnold next. It's eighteen two.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
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Speaker 3 (20:19):
Good Morning here, the re Western Springs. Look at the
results of the submissions from Auckland. Is fourteen nine percent
want Western Springs left as a speedway in the Pontsilly
Rugby Club only a fifth month football base there, I get,
you know what that is possibly part of it as well.
I suspect that they might just be a little bit
pipped at the fact that Auckland is so incredibly ungrateful
for three hundred million dollars spent on the city.

Speaker 14 (20:39):
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Peace of mind for New Zealand business in the US.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Men I correspondent Richard Arnold.

Speaker 11 (20:48):
Morning Richard, Morning Heather.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Okay, so what's the latest up update on these Texas floods.

Speaker 12 (20:53):
Well, it's one hundred and eight people now known to
have died. To the scale of this disaster growing hurting,
as you know, many young children. Hundreds of volunteers have
joined and scouring the massive debris along the Guadalupe River.
Those searches are slow, they're dirty, it's distressing work. Obviously,
they're finding a lot of remains. Some of these volunteers
are locals. They know people who have lost their lives

(21:16):
in this Five children from the girls retreat site, Camp
Mystic still listed of missing, along with one councilor. But
the sheriff, Larry leitha, we don't know everybody who was here,
so we don't know everybody who's missing. Will they ever
know there were people camping independently?

Speaker 11 (21:33):
Of course.

Speaker 12 (21:34):
Scott Ruskin was one of the first rescuers in the
flood zone. He got his rescue swimmer credentials with the
Coastguard just two months ago, and he helped a fairy
one hundred and sixty nine people, mostly these very young
children ages seven, eight nine so on to safety. At
one point he was seen carrying two young girls, one
under each arm.

Speaker 15 (21:53):
Yeah it was one in each arm, but yeah, it
was just two little kids like seven years old, didn't
have shoes on.

Speaker 16 (21:57):
I was like, dude, I'm not going to make you
guys walk through like while you're trying to.

Speaker 11 (22:00):
Get to a helicopter.

Speaker 12 (22:01):
Yeah, he's down playing the big hero. Roles says others
would have done it if they had been there.

Speaker 17 (22:06):
Well, he was there.

Speaker 12 (22:07):
Meantime, there are incredible survival stories. One fellow says he
swam to a power box when his place flooded right
up to the rooftops and he stood on this scene
for three hours before he was able to get out.
While the wound we spoke of on Monday, who was
swept for thirty kilometers along that surging river, remains in hospital,
bruises all over her body, and she's been told that
five members of her family have died. Texas Lieutenant Governor

(22:29):
Dan Patrick says it might have helped if there were
warning sirens along the river in this place called flash
Flood Alley. There was a move to install a better
warning system a little while back, but it would have
cost fifty thousand dollars and it was voted down.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Now, what's going on in California? Things getting even more
hairy with these ice raids.

Speaker 12 (22:47):
They really are. California is slamming the latest deportation moves
by the Trump team. National Guards troops along with heavily
armed US Marines operating on American soil right accompanied by
armored tanks, swept down onto one of Los Angeles's parks,
MacArthur Park, leading LA Mayor Karen Bass to slam this race.

Speaker 18 (23:06):
Is outrageous and Unamerican that we have federal armed vehicles
in our parks when nothing is going on who were
in the park today were children. It was their.

Speaker 12 (23:20):
Summer champ, so tanks swooping in on kids. The mayor
accuse as the President's team of trying to terrorize La residents.
Los Angeles has one of the country's biggest immigrant workforces, obviously,
in for decades they've been recruiting many of those workers.
Also in recent days, a twenty three year old woman,
Carlie Elvarado, was tackled and taken into custody while meeting
her husband, who has no criminal record.

Speaker 19 (23:42):
But you're from Mexico, right, And I'm like, no, I'm
from here, And like I was born here here?

Speaker 20 (23:49):
Where's here?

Speaker 19 (23:50):
Where are you talking about? Where exactly is here? I'm
like here, the US Los Angeles. They put us in chains.
So I had a change from my hand and under
my belly that went all the way to my leg.

Speaker 12 (24:04):
She was nine months pregnant. She was raced off to
hospital where she started having contractions. Her daughter was born
soon after, while her husband was taken off to a
detention site in Texas. Somewhere, another woman, Andrea Valez, was
walking to work when she was physically taken down by
a masked man. She was accused of interfering with the
ICE agent, says her lawyer, of what happened.

Speaker 15 (24:25):
Ronald Doll, two hundred pound, six foot man in full armor,
weapons with his space shielded start charging at you. And
that's what she experienced. Now ask yourself who committed the Psaltier.

Speaker 12 (24:41):
Yeah, figures just out say that sixty nine percent of
recent immigration arrests are of people with absolutely no criminal record.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Richard, thanks man, appreciate it. We'll talk to you again soon.
That's Richard Arnold, US correspondent. Listen, Israel's plans for Gaza
have taken a funny, little bit of a twist. When
I say funny, to regret the use of that word immediately,
because there's nothing funny about it. But it's just what
I mean is it's bizarre. The Defense Minister of Israel
has now gone public with his plan, and his plan

(25:10):
is to move everyone in Gaza into a camp in
the south of the Strip and basically put the people
I mean, and he's talking about originally six hundred thousand people,
put up to two point one million people on the
ruins of the city of Ratha, build a camp there,
put them there, and how it would work as you
would screen them on the way in to make sure
that they're not related to himas or doing any or

(25:31):
hummus itself. Once you get them in there, though, they're
not allowed to leave because now they've been declared safe.
And the thought is that once he does this, and
by the way, he says he is going to do this,
because he's already told the IDEF to start preparing a
plan for it, once he does this and he's got
them in the camp, he starts deporting them. Now, if
he does that, if he starts deporting people out of Gaza,
that's a breach of international humanitarian law and it is

(25:51):
considered tantamount to ethnic cleansing. But what's weird about this
is that more and more this is being openly discussed.
Isn't it that Israel plans to completely remove all The
thought is that has Rob plans to completely remove the
Palestinians from Gaza. When you had John Bolton, if you
were listening to the show yesterday, he basically said that
on the show yesterday, said that is the only solution.
Netan Yahoo said as much in the White House with

(26:13):
Trump yesterday. Trump has suggested it with his Gaza Riviera
AI video weird stuff. It's sounding less and less at
the start, we thought it was just a Trump brain fart,
sounding less and less like that and more like an
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Speaker 1 (27:32):
Heather Do for Cellen, Morning Heather.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I'm not at all cynical, but is there any connection
the Mobrays now having received their helicopter pad license and
the cancelation of their Western Springs proposal? Graham, fair question.
A lot of people will be asking that question. Why
don't we ask Shane Henderson when he's with us shortly?
It's five away from seven, all.

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Speaker 3 (27:55):
So construction costs throws for Q two this year, but
it's not all bad news. According to the Cotality Cordeal
Construction Cost Index, residential construction costs rows zero point six
percent per Q two. Now, that's up from a zero
point three percent increase in Q one. However, if you
look at it as an overall picture. Then things are
better because the average for cost growth is one percent

(28:15):
per CAUSU, so we're actually coming well under that. Annual
construction cost growth has reached two point seven percent, which
is the fastest pace since Q three of twenty twenty three. However,
let's look at the averages again. The long term average
of annual construction cost growth is four point two percent,
so again we're significantly down on the average. It's also
hugely down on the ten point four percent that we
saw in late twenty twenty two during the COVID era,

(28:38):
and it's actually reduced workloads that has caused cost growth
to slow back. In May twenty twenty two, there were
fifty one thousand concents for new dwellings. That's now sitting
at around thirty four thousand, which means less in wages
considering there's less work and pure materials being used, so
the prices for materials are currently relatively steady.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Not everything is as bad as it seems at the outset. AI.
Now I am becoming I'll be honest with you. Wasn't
a fan at the start, couldn't see the couldn't see
the value of AI. But I'm huge fast becoming a
huge fan. Happy to see the government has just released
its AI strategy and basically that's nothing, which makes me
very happy. There's no new laws, no new rules. We're

(29:19):
just adopting the OECD AI principles. What this is basically
is assigned to business as private businesses get on with
it because I think people are hanging back.

Speaker 20 (29:28):
Do it.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
We're doing the key. We think we're hang back and
we go so it's okay, hold on and the government
tell me this is okay, And this is the government
telling you it's okay, So do the AI. We're going
to talk to Shane thet about it very shortly. He's
the one putting out the AI strategy. But first up,
of course, o CR day today. No one's expecting a cut,
but everybody thinks we should have a cut. So let's
talk to ASP about what's going on here. He's talk ZBS.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
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Speaker 3 (30:10):
B good morning, oh c our decision out from Reserve
Bank today, the consensus from most pundits is that it's
going to be left unchanged at three point twenty five percent.
Nick Toughly is asb's chief economist and.

Speaker 21 (30:20):
Is with us morning, Nick, good morning here reasonably.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Complex decision actually today, is there a chance we get surprised?

Speaker 21 (30:27):
A lock? Is every chance you get surprised. In Australia,
yesterday everybody was convinced the Reserve Bank they would cut
and it remained on hold. So look, you never say never.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
But you peck what staying where it is.

Speaker 21 (30:37):
We are picking that the Reserve Bank remain on hold
of this meeting. We still think they will cut further,
but that they'll wait until August. Because you've just got
so much more information, even hopefully thing has crossed a
bit more detail around what sort of trade impacts are
likely to wash through the world as well.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Do you think I mean, sit aside the fact that
they're most likely going to hold, do you think they
should actually hold today?

Speaker 21 (30:59):
As I was in the governor's hot seat, I'd still
be cut cutting interest rates. But we are getting really
near the end and it is a tough decision. So
I think for them waiting is prudent they're getting a
lot more data around inflation and inflation expectations, so how
our behavior gets influenced by inflation is something that's key

(31:19):
for them. And you do get that big run of
all the trade deadlines hopefully fingers crossed having been dealt with,
and a lot more clarity around what tariffs people face.
So in that environment, it's understandable that they will want
to wait. There's a lot more information you get over
the next six weeks.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Okay, why would you cut if they're not going to cut?

Speaker 21 (31:37):
Well, if I'm probably a little bit a little bit
on the dubh side. Look, I think we're looking at
an economy weird. Look, it is very slow getting going,
and we do think the economy will keep picking up,
but the impact of interest rates is taking quite some
time to come through, and the housing market is evident
of that. But we are reality is we're going to
be facing inflation bouncing around between two and three percent

(31:58):
over the next year or so. It's not exactly low,
and that's really why the Reserve Bank in when they
are in the hot seat and have to make the decisions,
why they are a little bit wary at the moment.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Okay, So I see that the guys at A and
Z are calling two point five percent. That's where were
bottom out early next year around about februy.

Speaker 7 (32:15):
What about you?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
What do you think?

Speaker 21 (32:17):
We think three percent? So it's really one more cut.
But reality is you could conceivably end up anywhere between
where we are now three and a quarter and two
and a half. It really depends on how those risks
around trade go and how much of an issue the
sort of spark in inflation that we're seeing this year
will actually be. So we do think their scope for
further cuts, but we're getting near the end of the

(32:40):
reserve banks run of cutting rates from what was a
pretty high level.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Good stuff. Nick, good to talk to you. Thank you,
Nick Tuffley. ASBTIF economist seventy ten kell Do for c
Allen government has launched New Zealand's first AI strategy. We're
the last country in the developed world to do this.
It's going to be like to touch use existing laws
and existing rules rather than introducing new ones. Doctor Shane
that he sees them in a su of science, innovation
and technology and with us high shame. Good morning, Heather,

(33:04):
Am I right in thinking this is basically a signal
from you guys to private business, don't wait for the
new laws before you use it. They're not coming, go
for it.

Speaker 22 (33:13):
It is definitely a signal out into the environment, both
to community and to business as to what the policy
settings our government will follow. And that certainty is why
other countries have developed their national AI strategies and when
it was time for us to send that signal as well.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Correct do you think that private businesses have been hanging
back and holding off on the investment waiting for the
signal from you.

Speaker 22 (33:34):
There is a sense that they wanted to know where
the government was going to be. Were were going to
be heavy handed regulatory or were we going to be
light touch? And we've now decided that we'll be light touch.
As as you described, there is reasonable adoption of AI
at the moment amongst these on businesses, but we believe
it will improve with a clear direction from government.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Why have you gone for light touch.

Speaker 22 (33:55):
Because we have the regulatory settings at the moment that
will more than added with me cope for our AI
needs both across consumer Protections, Privacy Act, Human Rights Act
and you're underlying OECD principles which we're anchoring the strategy on.
So we don't see a need heavy handed in this space.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Oh now, I see that you guys are predicting that
it would add about seventy six billion dollars to the
economy in the last next law of thirteen fourteen years.
How so, like, practically, what does it do to add
that much value?

Speaker 7 (34:25):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (34:25):
Sure, so this is a productivity gain. So modeling last
year across nineteen thousand tasks and four hundred occupations suggested
that the generesis AI may free up an hour per
day of working time, that an hour can be better
spent on other high value tasks. And so that's fundamentally
where that productivity figure comes from.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Brilliant. So I've Shane, good to talk to you. Thanks mate, Shane.
That we see mister of science, innovation and technology together
do for c ellen am Is it just on the
ocr A and Z actually think that we are understating,
we're we are underestimating the possibility that there may be
a cut. There's a greater chance that there may be
a cut today than we think. This is what they say.
They say the decision is far from simple. We think

(35:08):
the market is very much underestimating the chance of a cut.
Next week. Market's priced it in at last count at
about twenty percent of a cut. A and z reckons
the chance of a cut today is actually forty percent plus.
They still they still given it's you know, under fifty.
They still think it's a greater likelihood that the Reserve
Bank holds, but more of a chance than we think. So,

(35:29):
you know, fingers crossed. If you're hoping for a cut,
you might you might just just there's a greater chance,
isn't It just might go your way. By the way,
this is news sound. It's just being reported that if
you travel through the US, you're not going to have
to take shoes off at the airport anymore. Travelers no
longer have to remove their shoes to get through the
regular line at TSA security checkpoints at airports. Now obviously
that's not our airports, at the US airports, but a

(35:51):
good idea catches on right, and given the US is
often the one that we follow the lead of. If
they're not taking the shoes off, then hopefully you're not
going to have to take your boots off at Auckland
Airport because how much of a fath.

Speaker 23 (36:02):
Is that, or at Wellington Airport because although when I
traveled down to Wellington on the weekend and I was
wearing my Converse high tops, it raised no eyebrows at
Auckland Airport security. However, coming back Wellington said above the ankle,
you know all that stuff that you can stuff into

(36:22):
the Converse.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yep, absolutely huge, huge security risk the Converse high tops
and what a faf as well, lacing that whole thing
up all the way back to the top. Also on
that more good news on the airport front. Over in
the EU, they are starting to go a bit lighter
on the liquids because that's a fath as well, isn't
it having to dig through your bag because you've forgot
half a bottle of water that you bought at the
gas station on the way into the airport. Edinburgh Airport

(36:44):
has now lifted the rule you do not have to
worry about having just one hundred miles or less. You
can carry up to two liters of a liquid through
security and you do not need to take it away
from the bags. Edinburgh Airport is the first one in
Scotland to do it. Birmingham Airport has also done it
in the UK and as I said, because it's go
they've got fancy scanners now. But as I say, good
ideas catch on. So fingers crossed seven fourteen the.

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Speaker 3 (37:12):
Hey, do you remember that report that we got from
the Ministerial Advisory on Organized Crime and it said we're
all getting corrupt and it's terrible because it's insider and
all that kind of stuff. They've got another report out.
This time they were recommending we get the community involved
and we'll be able to crack down. And we're going
to talk to them after half past right now at
seventeen past seven. Now, the Mowbrays have pulled the plug
on building Auckland, that new stadium at Western Springs. It's

(37:34):
Ana Moobray, her husband Ali Williams, and of course the
American billionaire Bill Foley that offered to spend about two
to three hundred million building the stadium. Wouldn't have cost
rate payers a cent. Now the office being pulled. Shane
Henderson is chair of the Stadium Venues Working Group and
with us. Hey, Shane, callighand warning what happened?

Speaker 16 (37:51):
Well, I mean, so they've pulled out and they've put
out a statement saying there were unique challenges and extended
timelines and complexities. I'd liked a bit more detail on that,
and that's probably for them to extend upon, because from
my perspective it seemed like a standardy OI process.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Was Well, maybe that's the problem. Was nobody talking to them?
You were you guys not in regular communication with them.

Speaker 16 (38:14):
Well, it certainly seems that they were being talked to
through council, and in fact Tartuki has recommended it as
a preferred option for the site. So it seemed like
from our perspective, it was something that we were interested
in exploring, something the public consultation.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Well, now, Shane, Okay, so yesterday when I heard this news,
I immediately started calling people to find out what happened.
Did you not do the same thing?

Speaker 16 (38:35):
Yeah, I've been putting out the word myself and haven't
received anything more than what told out in the media.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
So the people who were talking to Anna and Ali
and Bill, the people in the council who were talking
to them the whole way through the process, they couldn't
tell you what had gone wrong.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
No, Well that all I.

Speaker 16 (38:52):
Heard was what had been put in the media exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, they had they not called ali in them and
been like whoa, what happened?

Speaker 16 (39:00):
Yeah, I'm not too sure about this content to those conversations.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah, haven't we just come to the actual problem here,
which is we have got people who are prepared to
spend two to three hundred million dollars in Auckland City
for free right, and when they pulled the pin, nobody
in councils like, oh geez, stop that from happening. In fact,
nobody's been talking to them by the sounds of things
in the lead up to know that there's a problem.

(39:24):
Isn't that the problem?

Speaker 16 (39:25):
Well, it's certainly a frustrating situation, isn't it? Goodness me?
It sounds like a very attractive proposition. But at the
same time, the public didn't think so they didn't put
it as their preferred option in the feedback.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Is it not your preferred option?

Speaker 16 (39:39):
Well, they're falled out, so that will be a question
that has lost in the mist of time.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Oh no, Shane, I can't tell you how frustrating I'm
finding you right now? Are you not even like, like,
on a scale of one to ten, about eleven bummed
out that we've lost a free stadium?

Speaker 16 (39:55):
Bummed out? But yeah, honestly, I was not sure how
the conversation is going to go West Council is that
July meeting, because the feedback results were quite clear that
there was no clear favorites. Okay, how that conversation was
going to go? We didn't.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
I So do you think that maybe they then pulled
out because they could see that you people were not
going to go with it?

Speaker 16 (40:13):
Yeah, well, I can't sort of speculate too much on
the detail behind why they've pulled out.

Speaker 24 (40:18):
Goodness me.

Speaker 16 (40:18):
Yeah, it's but it's certainly frustrating. It's frustrating for everyone
and autant and frustrating for us as well.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Okay, right, okay, Shane, thank you. Shane Henderson, Chair of
the Stadium Venues Working Group. Mind Blown Mind currently blown
three hundred million dollars for free and with god goodness me,
isn't that water? Bummer said me. Yeah, just you know, well,
never mind, somebody else will come along. Seven twenty.

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Speaker 1 (42:00):
Either due for ce Allen, whether I'm amazed.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
That anyone's available at the Reserve Bank to do the
OCR announcement today, they may well all be on wellness leave. Yeah,
we'll see who turns up. Seven twenty four. Now, let
me tell you what Chris Hopkins is busy doing to
the COVID inquiry. As if this isn't obvious, right, let
me tell you When he says that the COVID inquiry
is providing a platform for those who have conspiracy theorist views,
he is trying to undermine it. And he's doing that

(42:25):
so it doesn't matter what the outcome of the inquiry is.
People have already written it off as a nutjob investigation
because I suspect Chippy already knows that he's not going
to come out of this flash. Neither is Jacinda, Neither
is Ashley, neither is Grant. Because we already know what
went wrong. We can see that the lockdowns went too long,
We know that the border was done badly, we know
how much money was printed. To name just a couple
of things, just a few things that they did wrong.

(42:48):
It's kind of rich of Chris Hipkins to complain that
the terms of reference have been deliberately constructed to achieve
a certain outcome, because that's coming from the guy whose
government did exactly the same with the original COVID inquiry.
They set up such a limited set of terms of
references that we had to set up a second inquiry
after they lost the election, just to get to the
stuff that we actually care about, which is the mandates
in the Auckland lockdown and so on. They set up

(43:10):
an inquiry deliberately designed their words to only learn lessons,
not assigned blame when actually blame, or you can call
it just taking responsibility is exactly what a lot of
us affected by all of the stuff would like to see.
But what really bothers me about what Chris Hippins is
doing is the continual demonizing of conspiracy theorists. Now, look,
I don't love a conspiracy theorists. They're a bit nutty.

(43:32):
I've had to sit through, you know, lectures about the
world order hours on end, trying to be polite and
pretending that you care because you love the person. Right.
A lot of these people went down the rabbit hole
because labor forced the jab on them, so they went
not to do their own research, and they came bick
a bit strange. They shouldn't be excluded. They may be
conspiracy theorists, but they're still our friends and our brothers

(43:52):
and our uncles, even if they're a bit slightly different.
At the moment, right, they were as affected also, conspiracy
theorists or not. They were as affected by these decisions
as everyone else. Therefore they get a say too, and whatever,
by the way happened to they are us or does
that only apply when it suits labor together?

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Duper cy ellens.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Shane is what is so wrong with every council. They
do not give a toss about public feedback on the
majority of things. They implement the hide behind it when
it suits them. Goodness me, Heather, three hundred million gone?
Goodness me? Heither exceptional interview is Shane Henderson delivery of
questions on point Heather. I suspect that the mobras pulled
out because the council are idiots. Heather is New Zealand

(44:33):
and more specifically Aukland, not o'plm for business. Listen, I'll
tell you what. I'm so frustrated. I don't know if
it was ever really gonna happen. Do you know, I
don't really know. I mean, maybe maybe it was just
so they could butter us up for a allepad, but
maybe it was also because nobody at Auckland Council was
talking to them. These people do not tick around, right.
These are people who are serious business people. Bill Foley
and a Mobrae. Allie's the trophy wife. He knows that.

(44:56):
But you know, they are serious business of people. They
expect phone calls, they expect you to it to keep
them informed. They expect you to be interested in the
fact that you're spending three hundred million dollars. But anyway,
there it is no no, no point crying of it
spilt note. Hopefully though, we can learn from this and
not do it again. We've got to talk about AI.
I'm getting a lot of technic people. Why are you
not on board of the AI. I'm sessed with the AI.

(45:17):
Talk about that in some stage. Uses next.

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Speaker 3 (45:43):
The why is it in the public interest to know
the embarrassing, drunken responses of a government minister called out
a year ago. It sounds like unnecessary hounding to me,
in a waste of news gathering efforts. We will come
to that. Actually, it is worth talking about that. By
the way, do you remember when Trevor Remember when Trevor
Mallard made that joke about reviving the the more years
and years ago, and everybody gave him so much grief

(46:03):
and had to laugh at his expense. They are actually
trying to do it. So we're going to talk to
somebody about that and about the chances of it and
within the next ten years, the chances of it actually happening.
Before eight o'clock right now, it's twenty two away from
a got another report out into the organized crime from
the Advisory Group. The last report warned that corruption is

(46:23):
getting worse because officials are being recruited by the organized crime.
The report. The report this time reckons that we can
perhaps tackle this by getting our communities involved. Steve Simon
is the chair of Ministerial Advisory Group for Organized Crime
and with us.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Now, Hi, Steve, good morning.

Speaker 20 (46:37):
How do you get that.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
I'm well thank you. How do we get the communities involved.

Speaker 24 (46:42):
There's a number of ways that The first point is
to treat the community as part of the solution. A
big part of that is getting them involved by giving
them some natural information they can they can use. Our
committee thinks it's a really good idea to let the public,
particularly local communities, know what the real problems for organized

(47:03):
crime are for them, and ways that can identify that
organized crime and report that to the authorities and work
as a community to try and support those who are
trying to break free from bank customers of organized crime?

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Steve, do you think people don't understand? I mean, you
see a couple of guys walking down the street. It's
I don't know, three in the morning. They've got hoodies on.
You know that looks dodgy. So you know what dodgy
looks like. You know how to report it. You've got
yet one, well one, you've got your five II five
or whatever. What else do people actually need to know?

Speaker 24 (47:34):
Yeah, that's a good point for something like that. Yes,
you would know as clear as the light of day.

Speaker 17 (47:40):
That's a problem.

Speaker 24 (47:41):
But when you go to buy a fruit from a
fruit store at a market and you see there's a
number of vulnerable, potentially migrant workers there. If you become
aware through conversations that perhaps those people are not in
a legitimate employment opportunity. It's those signs that that might

(48:02):
be some micro exploitations going on. It's your grandmother reporting
that she got the strange text messages asking her to
send money or put in her Wishpang bank account, that
she might be subject to fraud, and it's about how
you might help her with being resilient there. So it's
opening our minds and thinking organized crime is not just

(48:24):
guys where are patches driving around on motorbikes. It's about
organized crime reaching in as a business and infecting our communities.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
So how do you get people to kind of move away,
because the immediate reaction is that's just introducing a culture
of knacking. How do you get people to kind of
move beyond that.

Speaker 24 (48:43):
I think we need to change our attitude. Organized crime
is in our country.

Speaker 25 (48:49):
As we said out in our master report, organized crime
is affecting us in a large number of ways. And
the thing that we have in New Zealand, you know
we've done lots of research lots of the country is
around the world we've met with and talked with people
in the UK Astraining the other places that are similar
to us, they also have a really bad organized crime problem.

Speaker 24 (49:10):
And it's worse there. The difference that we have as
a community when you talk to our agencies, when you
talk to our private businesses, when you talk to our
community groups, keep this give us stuff. We really want
to do something about getting rid of organized crime. And
so if we can change our attitude to saying it's
not okay to have that here, it's not okay to
have that business going on, run our families and run

(49:32):
our friends, we want to get rid of it. Then
if we take that approach, really it's not so much
a n marketing thing. It's more saying you're not welcome here.
It's an intolerancecome in our country. Intolerance.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, fair enough, Steve Listen, thanks very much, really appreciated,
and I hope we can turn this thing around. That
Steve Simon, the chair of the Ministerial Advisory Group for
Organized Crime. Right, let's deal with Kitty Ellen next. And also,
by the way, politics Wednesday is going to be with
us after eight o'clock. It's nineteen away from it.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Asking breakfast a full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by
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Speaker 3 (50:07):
Right, It's cool to two. So the details on Kitty Allen.
So we've got the details of what happened on the
night that Kitty Allen was arrested for the suspected drink driving.
Now what's come out in particular is what the police
call an additional a sheet of additional summary information. And
what it says is when they found her after you
remember what happened, crashed the car Evans Bayish in Wellington,

(50:29):
had been on the ras, left the crash scene on foot,
tracked her down, having walked all the way around Point
journing them all the way to Oriental Parade, blah blah. Anyway,
when they found her, they wanted to do obviously an
alcohol breath test. Quote she did not blow through the
mouthpiece on her first attempt, So old mate, Kitty Allen
did the thing that the old can you blow into

(50:51):
the mouthpiece, blow just like past the mouthpiece, do you
know what I mean? Just the old come in into
the mouthpiece, but going past it, or maybe the alternative
is potentially she did what I've been told other people do,
which is the sucking in cop. Listen, mate, cops can
see the difference. You're the drunk one, not them, So
if you're trying to suck in when they're asking you

(51:12):
to blow they know anyway. Then they take her through
to the cop shop. A police officer noted that during
the drive, Miss Allen said words to the effect that
she wrote the law and wanted to know if the
police officer bothered reading the law or had learnt the law.
So one of those ones, the old I know, I've
done my research, I know who are you? Even then
she gets really fun when they actually get her into

(51:35):
the station. When Miss Allen was served the court summons,
she became argumentative and yelled at police officers. She demanded
to speak to senior police officers and Police National Headquarters
and said that she would not leave the police station
until the court summons disappeared. Miss Allen told police officers
that they were making undercutting moves and that the charging
decision was a political stunt, and she refused to accept

(51:57):
the court sumon's document served to her real good on
the booze. Sounds like fun anyway, So somebody asked the
question earlier, why do we care about this? Months after
the fact, she's no longer important. Are we just wasting
our time? I'll be honest with you, that's probably a
fair argument to make. However, I think it is interesting
and I think it is enlightening to know how people

(52:18):
in elected positions are behaving when they are in public.
And the fact that this comes out is more it's
less about punishing her for what has happened and more
a warning to future elected MPs and current elected MPs
that if you're going to go into a cop shop
and start threatening the poor sod who's pulled you over,
he's just a bloke in a uniform, right, you're giving

(52:38):
him grief and you're you're doing the whole I'm a
minister of the crown. You've got to treat me differently.
It's got to be a warning to people in those
positions that the truth will come out and we will
eventually find out how much of a clown you were
when you were when you were arrested by the police.
So it's more of that, and I think if you
ever argue against transparency, you're on the losing side, right,
this information should be public as defaut Plus, it's also

(53:01):
just juicy, isn't it. Thirteen away from eight.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Heather duper c Allen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the land Rover Discovery News Talks.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Tad Bhither.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
It's taken this long, Recarry Allen, because the police delayed
releasing the information, which is a fair point as well, Right,
you can't you can't reward delays of information by then
deciding it's not worthy. Otherwise everybody's just going to delay
information so it never hits the news. Nine away from eight. Oh,
by the way, politics winsday. Politicians Jinny and Mark are
in with us after eight. Now do you remember when
Trevor mallad made that joke years ago right about about

(53:32):
bringing them all back to life and we gave them
a grief, really hard time for it. They're actually trying
to do it and it's got the financial support of
Sir Peter Jackson. Paul Schofield. Doctor Paul Scofield is the
senior curator of Natural History Canterbury Museum and is with
us morning.

Speaker 20 (53:45):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Now, these guys, this American company, reckon that they can
do it in ten years. Are they dreaming?

Speaker 16 (53:51):
No, not at all.

Speaker 26 (53:52):
I mean they're well on the way, to be honest.
They've got an incredible technology, huge group of staff, and
they've got the backing of of Nakas, who is a
NATO research center here in Canterbury.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
How would it work? I mean, would what what?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
What?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
What would we end up with? Would it be an
actual more or would be a modern take on the More?

Speaker 26 (54:15):
It'll be a modern take on the more, but it'll
be it'll be a mother, because Noli say it's a mother.
Where we will take the DNA of these extinct birds
that we get from places like swamps and caves, and
by sequencing hundreds of genomes, we will determine exactly what

(54:40):
makes them more a more, all the genes which actually
fundamentally define that giant bird with its bizarre plumage and
its complete lack of a wing, and we will engineer
that into the cells of an emu or potentially even

(55:02):
a tinemum, which is as close as relative of South
American birth, and we'll bring back something that we will
believe is as close to a morow as possible.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
So will it look like a moro? Will it look
like an emo?

Speaker 26 (55:15):
No, It'll look exactly like a molla.

Speaker 20 (55:17):
Oh wow.

Speaker 26 (55:19):
And you know it'll be ancessary process. It'll take that
the first our first take on it will be in
ten years time or so. But as we discover more
and more about their genome, we'll we'll get closer and
closer to the real thing.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
And then what's the end goal. At some stage decades
from now, you have enough of actual bore to be
able to leave them to themselves and they breed and
carry on.

Speaker 17 (55:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (55:46):
Well, in the first instance, it's an amazing eco tourism
opportunity for my ho to actually have a large preserve
somewhere in the northern part of the South Island probably
where for paid tourism we can actually have people come
in and actually see moa booming the hills. And it's

(56:10):
also an amazing opportunity for ecology and for science to
actually have the opportunity to see how these giant.

Speaker 16 (56:18):
Birds actually affected the e college of New Zealand.

Speaker 26 (56:22):
When we go out into the forest today, it's really
only a fact similar of what the forest was like
eight hundred years ago when first Moldy arrived.

Speaker 16 (56:34):
Because in fact, these birds.

Speaker 26 (56:36):
Are giant ecosystem engineers. They're actually fundamentally changing the way
that the forest is actually structured, and that we have
some inkling into how they actually did that and what
effects that they actually had. Actually having the real thing
out there in the forest will be actually incredibly informative
to our understanding of mu zeum and conservation and ecology.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, that'scinating stuff. Hey, Paul, thank you so much talking
us through a doctor. Paul Scofield, Senior Curator of Natural
History at Canterbury Museum.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Heather dup is the al we're.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Talking, I think yesterday about whether we should have minimum sentences. Right,
I might have a case for you that shows why
we need to have minimum sentences for judges. So this
is the case of the thirteen Mongrel mob members and
cars who swarmed around a rival gang vehicle at a
rout a roundabout in broad daylight and then attacked them
and then also attacked the vehicle of an innocent couple.
So this happened March eight last year. The Mungrel mob

(57:30):
surrounded this other car with their vehicles. They started attacking
these guys. They brought weapons, They threw punches at the
other gang members. They threw some glass bottles at rivals heads.
One of the gang moles and the other mole I'm assuming,
I'm assuming she's a gang mole. She's hanging out with
the other gang, so you know, she gets she gets
clocked in the head bow one of the mongral mob.

(57:50):
They steal money in phones, and elderly couple gets caught
up on this because they come into the roundabout because
it's just a roundabout, and then their car gets smashed
by the rival gang member who are trying to get
out of it by reversing, and the whole thing is
just a completely fuffle anyway, so the cops charge. So
remember this, thirteen of them, only three of them get
charged by the cops who already got a problem there

(58:11):
right anyway, three of them get charged. They're not going
to go to jail because they've convinced the judge that
they've ditched their lives of drugs and violence. So what
they've been charged with is a joint charge of aggravated robbery. Now,
the maximum sentence that you can hand down in a
charge of aggravated robbery is fourteen years plus. One of
them has also admitted growing some weed and possession for

(58:31):
supply of cannabis and possession of ammunition, and because the
cops went his house and checked about afterwards, so he's
not just throwing the punches. He's also got the side
hustle of the grass going on. Anyway, the Crown prosecutor
tries very hard to get the judge in the Road
of Vegas to go hard. He highlights their aggravating features,
brazen incident of gang related violence and broad daylight on

(58:52):
a main road, and throu one of the guys is
still loyal to the mongrel mob, an other one's breached
is electronically monitored bail twice. The Weed in particular should
go to jail because he's admitted foiling, which is when
you put the you know, tinfoil around the ankle bracelet
to be able to muck around with it. But the
defendants lawyers, they seem to convince the judge. They say
the electronic breaches and nothing, just wanted to go to

(59:14):
the gym a couple of minutes early. One of them
is down twelve freehab courses. He attends with honor and genuineness,
and sending just one of them to jail is mean spirited.
So the judge takes pity on them, gave them get
this right. Maximum sentence fourteen years home d five months,
six months eight months. Do we need minimum sentences or
not talk next to Jenny and Mark about that news

(59:35):
storks there.

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Speaker 1 (59:51):
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Speaker 2 (59:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I actually am sorry that Mike Hosking is not here
right now for this, because I feel like he would.
I feel like he would love this. This as bad
as I used to be By Chris Chris Stapleton. But
why I think you'd be super excited is because this
is off F one, the album, and you know how
much the man loves F one, Right, any any excuse

(01:00:32):
to talk about the cars? You could talk about the
cars for hours on the on the strength of this.
It's a soundtrack. When was the last time you actually
maybe the Barbie Barbie movie? Right, was the last time
we actually discussed the soundtrack? But got a soundtrack? Got
everything you need on it. It's got badge of California,
It's got OMG. These are song names, by the way,
not the bands. I know none of us. There's all

(01:00:55):
at once by Madison Beer there's d A n C
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the Boy bad News. Not not my favorite because it's
a song. Just the song title is awesome with me.
Right now, we've got Mark Mitchell and Ginny Anderson for politics. Weensday. Hell,
are you too good money?

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Mitch?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
I'm supposed you're not on holiday. Everybody's on holiday, Luxeon's
on holiday.

Speaker 27 (01:01:17):
Mike's on holiday of the Emergency Management Minister, and we've
got heaps of weather hppening around the country at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
What happens to you actually do you think? Do you
say I'm going to go on holiday and then sort
of some bad weather hits and then your holiday's off
and your fiance still heads off to Barley by herself.

Speaker 20 (01:01:33):
Yeah, that's happened last time. So but you know, like
I take the role seriously.

Speaker 27 (01:01:38):
And when we have these big weather events coming through,
the potential there to have a massive need of impact
on people is there the whole time, And so I
like to be available. I'll actually like to get on
the ground and see what we need to do and
what decisions need to be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
It's you intel on where lucky. I've heard Luckson's gone
on Hollybop's to Hawaii with j John Key. Is that
what's happened.

Speaker 27 (01:02:00):
I don't know who he's gone on holiday with, but
you see's having a break with Amanda and you know,
which is very well.

Speaker 20 (01:02:06):
Deserved to my view.

Speaker 28 (01:02:07):
Have you got any gossip that Jenny No, I would
not be in the loop for knowing who like so holidays?

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Do you know who should have gone on holiday Jenny
is Chris Hopkins? What's up with him?

Speaker 28 (01:02:19):
He's doing fine, He's been great, He's been a fire lately.

Speaker 29 (01:02:22):
He's been awesome, incredibly had we he incredibly hard talking
about the cost of living, which this government keeps trying
to hide with announcements on What did.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
You make of him saying that the COVID inquiry is
platforming the conspiracy theorists?

Speaker 28 (01:02:40):
Well, I did agree with the point that why have two?
Have you ever in New Zealand?

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
You do a stink job with the first one? That's
why we had to.

Speaker 29 (01:02:48):
Have it was pretty good first one looked at what
we need to loom from pretty good a pandemic.

Speaker 28 (01:02:54):
A pandemic in the first place, so I think that's important.
We're planning for a future pandemic, not just doing a
political hit job.

Speaker 27 (01:03:03):
Well, that's that's really important. But your your first round
was a complete political whitewash. So that's why the second reality,
which gives.

Speaker 28 (01:03:11):
Another political whitewash. Is that why one good white wash?

Speaker 27 (01:03:14):
Well if you call, if you call giving everyone a
voice and being able to come along with have the say,
a whitewash.

Speaker 20 (01:03:20):
If that's how you view it, then that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
But we know they were your words.

Speaker 28 (01:03:23):
Fine, they were your words.

Speaker 20 (01:03:24):
So you just said, is this what a political white wash?

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
What are the chances would Jenny, what are the chances
just Cinda comes back for it? Do you reckon?

Speaker 28 (01:03:32):
I really don't know. I mean I think that I've
heard lots of speculation about that, but I don't know
if she's even been formally invited to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
If she was formal because she's she's your patron saint. Now,
I mean you basically you've got to put some rosary
beads and you know you Cinda for the for the
Labor Party. Would you think less of your patron saints?
If she was invited and she didn't come.

Speaker 28 (01:03:53):
Back, not really, I mean, she had so her decision.
She's no longer accountable, she's no longer as a politician,
she's no direct requirement to do that, so that will
be a decision completely up to her.

Speaker 27 (01:04:05):
Go On, Well, last time I checked, she was a
key with and she had quite a bit to do, Jenny,
with the decisions that were made that impacted all of
us as a country.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Because she's milking, yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:04:16):
Asking you'd like me to ask your personally, Mark, is it?

Speaker 8 (01:04:19):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I don't mind if you do.

Speaker 20 (01:04:21):
Go on, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that'd be great. Come back
to so as though what she says.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Yeah, well, I don't.

Speaker 28 (01:04:27):
I don't talk to a regularly. But that's really a decision,
does conversation. You should give her a back, You should
give her a ring.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Oh look, just give me her number. I'll give her
the ring, Jenny. If you don't want to do it,
I'm sure up. Yes, ske yeah. And the minute I
says Heather here, lord, I might be able to slide
through for a bit if I pretend to be Heather Simpson.
But anyway, listen, what do you think Mitch is a
family on two hundred and thirty thousand dollars poor.

Speaker 20 (01:04:58):
Well, I mean, really good question. Moment obviously, we're in
a you know, things are tough.

Speaker 27 (01:05:04):
We are in a recovery phase with the economy, although
we're starting to see some green shoots moving in the
right direction. But quite simply, obviously the decision was made
for the around the e SEC, around the family boost
policy to give to increase the access for it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
I don't think a family on two hundred and thirty
thousand dollars is poor, in which case, why are we
giving welfare to them? Because sure, I mean it might
be cost of living is difficult right now, But once
you introduce this, this welfare match, it hangs around forever.
Are you sure we should be giving welfare to people
who are actually pretty comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
The real reason when we.

Speaker 27 (01:05:34):
Say welfare, it's around looking, it's around child here and making.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Sure they're still well fare though, isn't it.

Speaker 28 (01:05:41):
But the real reason here that is that not they
can't find national can't find one single family that benefited
from the initial family boost and that was a big
part of their election promises. So no one has been
able to benefit from this policy because it's too hard
to eases.

Speaker 11 (01:05:56):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
I think this is rubbish.

Speaker 28 (01:05:58):
This is doing everything they possibly can to make sure
at least some people get it and it's gone.

Speaker 21 (01:06:02):
Probably.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
What do you think, Jenny, is two thirty is two
thirty too wealthy to get welfare?

Speaker 11 (01:06:08):
Well?

Speaker 28 (01:06:08):
What they The way they've set it up is difficult
to access because you have to come and claim. So
we've seen right from the start the bureaucracy involved for
actually getting the money back is preventing people from accessing it.
And so instead of going back to the drawing board
and saying, how do we do this in a way
that families who really need it get it, they're just
widened the existing credit right now, so they've gone the

(01:06:29):
wrong way.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Is two thirty is two thirty too wealthy to get welfare? Jinny?

Speaker 28 (01:06:34):
Well that's that's come on, just say true salaries. Salaries,
it is pretty high to getting excess.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
It's too high, okay, So are you going to get
it pretty high?

Speaker 28 (01:06:44):
It really high? Well, it doesn't work, so you don't
need to get rid of its excess.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Why I hate welfare because welfare, once you've got it,
everybody keeps it going. All right, take a break, we'll
come back to you guys shortly. Eight fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Talk eight sixteen. You're back with Mark and Jenny. Mark.
When you were in the cops, did you ever have
people do the breathalyzer but then try to blow past
it or suck in?

Speaker 20 (01:07:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:07:11):
You had always had lots of different ways that they
tried to avoid the test.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
And was it obvious to you when they were doing it, Yes,
it was yeah. Okay, So when you read that about
Kerry Allen, did you think that wouldn't have flown with me?

Speaker 20 (01:07:27):
Yeah? I think. Look, I spoke with Kerry at the time.

Speaker 27 (01:07:29):
I had already known that the police had been given
quite a hard time and had to talk with her
about that. And I'm not going to pick over the
bones of it. I know that when I was up
at WAITINGI last year, myself and Simon wats R on
their way to a meeting up north and we found
a lady who were tragically that had a messive heart
attack on the side of the road and we worked
on her for about We did CPR on her for
about half an hour before assistants arrived and Kerry Ellen

(01:07:50):
stopped and gaves a hand. So, you know, she's made
some mistakes the way she behaved as Justice minister was
completely totally unacceptable on that. But I believe in redemption
and everyone makes mistakes, and you know, she's sort of
getting on with it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
There is a debate at the moment, Jenny about whether
this is relevant or not, given that it's such a
long time ago now and she's not a minister anymore.
What do you think.

Speaker 28 (01:08:12):
I think it's a hard call me. That's always the
issue whether these public interest involved and what's what's the
point in rehashing those things. I mean, it must be
incredibly hard for Kitty. It's been you So I agree
with Mark. She made the mistakes and she paid the
price for those, including going through the court process. But
it must be really difficult for her to have all

(01:08:32):
of these details playing out again in people going through them.
And I was the Minister of Police at the time
that took the call from police when when she'd been found,
So it was it was an incredibly tough time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Now, Jinny, listen, what do you make of the minimum
sentences thing? Would you be okay with us telling judges
what the minimum sentences on certain crimes should be?

Speaker 28 (01:08:53):
Well, he said it's kind of danced around his knees
kind of see what we might do it because these
things don't work. But it's SEMs like they're kind of
throwing everything at the wall. It doesn't seem to be
much of a connection between you know, yep, coward punch
and you've got first if the first responders, and then
there was another one, and there's this one. It's sort
of to me it smacked a bit of the cost

(01:09:14):
of living. Crisis is really biting, it's really hurting us
in the polls, and we're going to just chuck a
whole bunch of law and order stuff out there as
a bit of a distraction. So I'm not convinced that
there's a connection between all of these announcements or whether
there's a genuine intent on actually making.

Speaker 27 (01:09:28):
Well that's like that would be Labour's approach, and that's
why I don't take Labor or the Green seriously when.

Speaker 28 (01:09:33):
It comes hof really much, it's a surprise.

Speaker 27 (01:09:35):
Well, no, no, I never have because you're not serious
people when it comes to public safety, and you haven't
supported any of the measures that we've brought through Parliament
this term that actually are proving to be effective. Coward's
punch is a terrible people die because of cowards punch
the first. I know we are, but you were just
that those were raised. I'll get to minimum sentences. First responders.

(01:09:56):
We should have zero tolerance on this country for the
people that protect does respond when we need the most
being assaulted or abused, and there should be legislation. I
tried to take this bill through. I picked it up
from Derek Bill and tried to take it through an
opposition labour wouldn't support it.

Speaker 20 (01:10:11):
Now we've got the bill.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
What about the minimum sentences?

Speaker 27 (01:10:14):
Though minimum sentences I'm me personally I like the idea
of minimum sentences, but the way that we've done things
in this country, as we've gone for maximum and we've
allowed the judiciary to have discretion around that, we've sent
very clear signals as a government to the judiciary that
we expect the seriousness of the offending to be reflected
in the consequences and the sentencing. We'll wait and see
what happens, but I'm very open to go in minimum sentences.

Speaker 20 (01:10:36):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Okay, fantastic. Now, Ginny, what about the citizen's arrest right
because the Children's Commissioner wants kids to be excluded, what
do you.

Speaker 28 (01:10:43):
Think well, when we got the official mation actor, even
police said this is really dangerous and these are risks
not just to the shop owners and to whoever's being
held on to, which is likely to be kids, but
it's also just a general public safety risk and police
were advice rasing, you know, Mark Mitchell as Minister of
Police not to do this because it's going to actually

(01:11:04):
make life harder for police and create more dangerous situations.
So I think she's got some fear points that we
just don't know how this is going to play out,
and there's a real fear that the first time it's
used could be quite serious if.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
You do not do this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Though for the kids, Mitch, do you not simply end
up with a situation where actually they are incentivised to
see the criminal criminal gangs, incentivised to send the kids
in because the kids get away.

Speaker 20 (01:11:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:11:26):
Again, we inherited an awful situation where we're retail theft
and crime, especially violent crime, is through the roof, and
we're taking positive actions to address with that. And one
of them is a citizen's power of arrest, which was
already in existence that it has already been used. We've
extended the hours. People can choose whether or want to,
whether or not they want to use it or not.
Some retailers will embrace it, they'll use it with they'll

(01:11:47):
invest in their security and their physical security. But we've
got to take measures to get on top of this
retail crime. And you've Jenny's completely overread the position that
the police presented on us, and the fact and the
fact of the matter is is is a government. We
are going to give every tool and we're going to
use every tool that's available to start to clemp down
on retail chrome. It does not accept all right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Listen, guys, thank you so much. Enjoy the rest of
your school holidays. Few more days left. Thank you very much.
Ether thank says a mother right there. Jinny Henderson and
Mark Mitchell, Politics, Wednesday eight twenty two.

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Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Heather duplessye Ellen, we did this all the time, heither.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
When I was in retail, any shoplift as we grabbed,
we held them in the office and we phoned the
coppers here. The Family Boost for assistance with daycare costs
what a joke. What's happening is parents are receiving the money,
but they're not paying their daycare bill. And then they're
pocketing the money. A friend has two daycares and this
is what has happened in practice. Oh lord, so you
know this is the trouble right.

Speaker 19 (01:13:40):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
The older I get, the more I hear, the more
I hate the welfare because it just gets gamed. Hey
eight twenty six. Now happy to say I have been
proven right on this, not because I want to be
proven right, although I'm going to claim the victory, but
because this is the right thing to do. Wellington Hospital
has backed down on that ridiculous idea of cutting the
paternity beds. They say they've had careful consideration of feedback

(01:14:02):
from a broad range of stakeholders and the proposal will
not continue. Now I cut a shortcut that Do you
know what all they needed to do? I mean, you don't.
They've made a dick of themselves, haven't they. They've got
the public consult That's not what this was about. They
were going to do the thing and unfortunately it's blown
up on them. I just needed to find a mum,
just walk into the maternity service, go hey, are you
a mum?

Speaker 16 (01:14:20):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Yeah, you've got a baby. Yeah, what do you think
about this idea? Or maybe ask I don't know one
of the mum on staff or something. They would all said,
don't do.

Speaker 23 (01:14:27):
It because remember, they're always right. There's no I mean,
that's just an inevitable.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Rule of life life Listen that you get taught from
the age dot mums are always right. Do not take
their toast away after they've had a baby. Do not
take the bed away before they've had a baby, had
a bad idea?

Speaker 30 (01:14:43):
Off to Australia next us talk to their Bearnie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
The only report you need to start your day.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Heather duper c Allen on the mic, asking Breakfast with
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b Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
I don't know if you want to know this or not,
but seeing as I'm reading it, it feels very relevant
to me. Jacinda's memoir got the numbers on how much
it's sold, has sold the most copies of any New
Zealand book this year. It's been out only for a
month and it has sold ten thousand copies, which is
not bad when you I mean, I'm like ten thousand people,
there's not many people. But then when you think about
the number of people who actively go out and buy

(01:15:25):
books nowadays, there's probably quite a lot, and even more so,
are prepared to buy a book that costs sixty dollars.

Speaker 23 (01:15:32):
So that's more than all those other famous New Zealand books.
I'm just trying to think of the other ones that
have come out this year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
So yeah, point is easy to be, easy to beat.
You're going to make me name them. Now, the top
ten New Zealand nonfiction list has biographies in the top four.

Speaker 23 (01:15:49):
She's on a nonfiction list.

Speaker 15 (01:15:52):
Just sin is it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Number one? Alison Moore's No Words for This as number two,
Pipo Latour and Jude Dobson's The Last Secret Agent is
number three, and then the second part of Ruth Shaw's
biography is number four. Now, the thing about this is
she has sold the next I don't look, I don't
know like it seems like the next best selling book
New Zealand, it seems is about three thousand dish and

(01:16:14):
she sold about three times that. She has to sell
apparently one hundred and forty thousand copies to make the
one and a half million dollar advance back, and apparently
if sales continue as they are, she will absolutely do
that on the aze.

Speaker 23 (01:16:27):
That's because we keep giving her all this great advertising
on the world's most popular radio station.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Happy to say that I contributed to just In the
becoming a gazillionaire and never having to come back to
this country by buying her sixty dollars book. Did I
tell you it was autographed?

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
So it was twenty one away from.

Speaker 14 (01:16:43):
Nine International correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of
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Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Dennis Shanahan is our Australia corresponding political editor of The
Australian Dennis.

Speaker 20 (01:16:56):
Morning Good eight.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
So what's going on here with the Reserve Bank the Treasurer.

Speaker 17 (01:17:01):
Look, I think there's a little bit of tints in
emerging between the Central Bank and the Treasurer. Jim Chalmers
wouldn't say that. He actually criticized the decision yesterday by
the Bank not to lower rates despite the expectation from
the markets. He said that people would be disappointed, but

(01:17:23):
not that he was, although he then pointed out, oh
it was a split decision. This was the first time
we've actually seen the publication of the vote. The fact
that there were six four holding the rates as they
are and three against. So Jim Charmers is using his

(01:17:44):
and these are his reforms to actually politicize a bit
of the rape decisions. But I think what's really here
and the real difference here between the Bank and the
Treasurer is that Michelle Bullet said quite clearly, yes, inflation
is down, but it's still too early. We want to

(01:18:05):
see a quarterly CPI here which we can rely on.
And secondly, productivity is still too low. That the sales
are still weak, consumer sentiment is still low, and wages
are still going up and seas pointing once again to

(01:18:26):
the weakness of productivity in Australia. And of course next
month when she makes the decision or the board makes
the next decision on whether to lower rates, we will
be just before Anton now Albernasi's productivity to mission or
summer to whatever it is in Canberra, and then we'll
see that the real focus will be on productivity. And

(01:18:51):
that's what was the thanks about. It's not just about CPI.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
I see. Listen, do you think over in Melbourne that
that task force they've sets up to crack down on
the end a Semitism is going to work?

Speaker 17 (01:19:02):
Well, look, I think that it's trying to say that,
you know, we're going to do this, And yesterday the
Prime Minster said of the whole setup was doing a
good job. Well, it doesn't seem to be doing a
very good job on preventing these problems. It has been
a problem for the albanaser government since the invasion of

(01:19:27):
Israel by hamas A, the terror attacks. And look, I
think that now since the election, we're seeing a very
different reaction, a very different public reaction from the Prime
Minister and the Ministers Tony Burke and Jason Clair. And
they are trying to say we are doing things, we

(01:19:47):
are reacting quickly. But I think that the idea of
a task force looks like a little bit too little,
too late.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Yeah, what are you expecting from Elbow in that speech
over the weekend about and tariffs.

Speaker 17 (01:20:01):
Look, I think it was very confusable for actually having
read curtain speak for a long time ago. I think
that the Prime Minister was distorting what John Curtin actually
said back in the Second World War about the need
for the US alliance and the Prime minist is sending

(01:20:22):
a very mixed message. And today Penny Wong will believing
to go to Asian and the Asian Regional Forum and
she is again talking about the need for regional cooperation
for multilateralism and the rule of law. Anthony Albinasi and
Penny Wong are not talking about the strategic threat of

(01:20:45):
China in the region while they are supporting the whole
aucust nuclear submarine program. It's a very confusing and I
think dangerous as far as Australia's into concerned with the
US aliance.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Dennis, it's good to talk to you, mate, Thank you
so much. Dennis Shanahan, Australia correspondent. Listen, I can't actually
believe I'm telling you this, but there's been another stuff
up with the AI at Wimbledon overnight. So this time
it called remember last time, it didn't see the ball
had gone out. This time it called the ballers out,
but the ball wasn't out. It was the quarter finals
match between Taylor Fritz and Karen Kakano canoff whatever who cares,

(01:21:22):
but it's tennis names there was. Karen was playing Taylor
and the quarterfinals match went a bit funny because one
of them served and it landed a meter within the baseline.
But the AI saw that and went fault and obviously
a meter and is not a fault. Trouble was when
the serve was taken the bull boy was still running
back to position. He was crossing the net and the
AI couldn't handle that, just could not see what was

(01:21:42):
going on. Empire had to suspend play, had to get
the phone, make a phone call to somebody who was
running the tech find out what happened. Then told the
crowd Karen with the play the system is now working. Well,
we'll see if it is sixteen away from Nome.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
The Mi Casking breakfast Ball Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard
News talks.

Speaker 16 (01:22:00):
That be.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Hey on Trump by the way, he had their cabinet
meeting today and and pretty much uses an opportunity to
have a crack at pootin that.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
Was a war, that that was a war that should
have ever happened, and a lot of people are dying
and it should end. And I don't know, we get
we get, we get a lot of bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Thrown at us by poot for you one another truth.

Speaker 6 (01:22:22):
It's very nice all the time, but it turns out
to be meaningless together.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Do for c Ellen endowing a bit of the swearing lately,
isn't he hither? I reckon just Sinda is buying up
her own book. Lolls conspiracy theory actually do you know
what not entirely a conspiracy theory. Now, I'm not saying
this is happening here, but I don't know if you're
aware of this. It is in the States. They funny
things happen in the States where basically publishers, publishers will

(01:22:49):
will will pay these huge advances and get books published, right,
and then what happens is that the packs buy the books. Right,
So you'll have these political organizations that go and just
buy these books on mass and then they give them away,
like you know, to Party Faithful and stuff like that,
all store them on warehouses or whatever. And it's basically

(01:23:11):
a very complicated, well it's actually not that complete. It's
a simple and understood way of getting these ideas out there.

Speaker 24 (01:23:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
So let's say, and I'm not saying it's happening to Justinda,
but it's possible she gets paid one point five mil.
And then you know, with the understanding that that the
Democratic Party, for example, would go out and just buy
loads of these books and then hand them out thereby
making the publisher the money back. Right, I'm not saying
it's happening to Justinda. I'm not saying that there's no
proof of that. However, that is how it sometimes works

(01:23:38):
with other publishers. And now it's going you know what,
Now people are going to say, well, here the said
on the radio that said that the Democratic Democrats are
buying Jacinda's book. So this is how conspiracy theory starts. Actually,
I've got it. I've got a conspiracy theory for you.
Someone weird going on with christ Huge City Council. They
don't want to tell anyone where they're growing the grass
for the new stadium because Takah has supposed open soon.

(01:24:00):
So they've got to get growing with the grass, right
because you bring the turf and you lay it all
out and it's a lot of grass. It's like nine
thousand square meters of the stuff. So the media have asked, well,
where are you growing nine thousand square meters of grass
because it's interesting and at Krosier City Council not going
to tell you, just just growing locally, not going to
tell you. And it's been going on for ages that
the media have been trying to figure it out. In May,

(01:24:22):
the local paper asked if they could see the grass growing,
but the construction managers at the stadium refused and they
wouldn't say no. They said no, and well why nope, can't.

Speaker 20 (01:24:31):
Tell you why.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
So the media thought, well this is weird. Let's hit
the paperwork. So they made a request under the LAGUIMA,
which is the Local Government Official Information Meetings Act nineteen
eighty seven. And even under the paperwork, the Christier City
Council said, nap, not going to tell you, not going
to tell you which company is growing the grass. Councils said,
we've got a contract to doing it. It's Basick's wet Pack.

(01:24:52):
They're managing the development of the turf with subcontractors. So
the media asked, Basicks wet Pack, where are you growing it?
Who's growing it for you? Nope, company won't no, no
inf to share. So the question, of course is well,
why are you being weird about it? Council's reason is
protection of commercial interests and avoiding prejudice to measures that
mitigate will prevent material loss to members of the public.
I know, right, I know.

Speaker 16 (01:25:11):
Goodness to me, it sounds like a very attractive proposition.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Godness me, goodness me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Yes, So the protection of commercial interests is common. They
just say that when they don't want answer the question.
The material loss suggests though, second half of that suggests
that they think that if they tell us where the
grass is being grown, someone's going to go and vandalize
the grass. And that's weird, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:25:31):
I mean, it's a.

Speaker 23 (01:25:31):
Waste of time too. You don't vandalize it until it's
actually on the stadium, that's right. Then you do the
dick and balls with the weed killer.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
After you're going to get all the eyeballs on it. Look,
it's not the first time, to be honest about it's
New Zealand. It's not the first time someone's keeping the
grass growing location a secret that don't want to tell
you where they're growing their grass. It's just weird that
it's Christchot City Council doing it. Nine away from nine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Here the duplicy Ellen on the mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vita Retirement Communities News togs Head be why.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Would here, Why would the council allow the opportunity for
some fruitcake to intentionally damage the grass? I agree with them,
the location should be kept secret.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
How do you keep it?

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Here's the thing, though, how do you keep nine thousand
square meters of grass a secret? I mean, I would
have thought that's like Surely somebody's looked out there and gone,
that's a lot of grass. Maybe, do you think that's
what takaha? Anyway, Look, it started a thing, now, hasn't it.
So Surely now that we've all had a big winge
about the fact that we don't know where it is,
somebody's gonna knock because that's what we want. Knack in culture,

(01:26:32):
So tell us six away from.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Nine trending now warehouse your home of winter essentials.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Now. K pop has long been rising in the music scene.
The two most famous examples of K pop probably be
the all girl group Black Pink and then the all
boy group BTS and that've just recently reunited. This is BTS.
They've announced a new album in a world talk because
they just finished their mandatory two year military service. Despite

(01:27:00):
how big these two big groups are, they're both being
taken over by a fake kpop group. When I say
taken over. Netflix has a new show called K Pop
Demon Hunters. It's totally normal storyline of a K pop
group playing to sold out arenas to lure out demons
trying to attack fans. The group in the show is
called Saja Boys, and you're listening to their song Your Idol.

(01:27:24):
For the first time ever, a K pop song has
topped the US Spotify charts, and it's all from this
fake group. In fact, they even have the number two
slot as well with the song Golden was.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
A Girl Those Long had ha.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
This is from another fake all girl group in the
show called Hunter Slash X. It gets Better. Seven of
the top twenty songs on the US Daily Charts and
Spotify are from these two fake groups. In fact, of
the top ten, it includes five of them. Netflix says
they will be nominating this song to the Academy Awards
for consideration for Best Original Song. It is a weird
time in the musical world. Lord, but this is this AI.

Speaker 9 (01:28:06):
Who knows?

Speaker 17 (01:28:07):
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
In the book? Can you even tell? By the way
on the AI, I never got a chance to tell you.
I'm gonna tell really quickly. So I did this event
at an AI event with One New Zealand and Jason
Parris was there. He's the boss of One New Zealand.
You'll know him as the guy who always gives a
hard time to the refs for being mean to the Warriors. Anyway,
Jason is so obsessed with with with AI. He's got
me into AI, and so now I use beforehand, I

(01:28:28):
was like, God, I can't be bothered with AI. I
use AI all the time. I was reading just in Bok.
Sorry to keep talking about just in this book. I
was reading just in his book last night. She was
complaining in the book because somebody said that she'd been
she went to Facardi White Island just to hug people.

Speaker 19 (01:28:40):
I was like, who did that?

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Typed it into oh geez, typed it into chat with
the chat GPT to find out answers all my questions
for me. Jason Parris is so weird. I hope he
doesn't mind me saying it because it's too late. Jason
Paris is so weird about AI. He has AI on
in the car when he's driving and talks to it
like it's his wife. So he'll be like, hey, I
don't know what he calls it, Hey Sarah, but the AI.

Speaker 23 (01:29:04):
Darling presumably right, dully.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Yeah, I'm off to meet Heather from newstalks'd be tell
me three facts about her so I can have a
conversation and then I I will be like, she's got
two children, she's obsessed with AI now and she's quite boring, like.

Speaker 23 (01:29:17):
It all, and it's you know, so we've got a
full blind her working Phoenix situation.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
It's totally exactly that Jason Paris is having a relationship
with his AI. Anyway, because of that, I thought that
looks healthy and wonderful. So I have got into it
and I cannot recommend it more. And we're just gonna go.

Speaker 23 (01:29:31):
NU should just use it to summarize the whole book.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
She's now, what a great idea. I might do that later, actually,
when I get home. See you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
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