Full Show Podcast: 1 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're trusted ho the news for entertainment opinion and like
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to intrigue and use togs, he'd be budding and welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Today we'll celebrate silver, the paid and wild we are
in Israel, as surely they now brace for retaliation from
Iran dated Seymour and his multi pronk scrap of the speaker,
other Plint's appointments and bullying Samuel Whitelock, the most capt
or Black of all times with us after right, Joe
is in Italy and Gavin grad.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Is a new day for a few Hosking.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to the day seven past six. While we wait
for the Appeals court here to decide what they think
on this Uber case, and while act busy themselves looking
to rearrange the laws when it comes to employers and
employees and contractors and unions, we can perhaps get a
guide from the Americans who have involved democracy in the process.
So the Uber case here is one of a number
around the world whereby the local unions decide they don't

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like the way the uber type business is operating this
gig economy, that thinking is not for them. The gig
economy allows you to work a lot or a little.
You can come and go as you please. No, you
don't get annual leave, but you get freedom. And part
of that freedom is the freedom to choose as to
whether you enter into the arrangement at all. If you
see it like the Union does, oppressive, unfair needing of change,

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don't enter it, avoid it, leave it to others. So
in California, the Supreme Court has upheld a landmark ruling
that allows that gig economy work is to be treated
as contractors, not employees. This all came out of what
they call Prop twenty two props or propositions is what
they do by way of referenda. In twenty twenty, Prop
twenty two was put to the people, and the people

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voted in favor of freedom. There was a new law
in the state, and the new law made employers treat
everyone as an employee. Prop twenty two allowed them to
avoid that low. So the people spoke and decisively too.
By the way, that didn't stop the unions, who clearly
don't like democracy, So off to court they went and lost.
They then appealed and lost again. So if you're an

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uber driver, you're a contractor as you chose to be.
Democracy and freedom of thought, choice, ah when except well
maybe here of the appeal court decides differently. And if
they design differently, do they decide on our thoughts and beliefs? No,
they do not. So which system do you prefer? And
more importantly, if you drive an uber or a part
of the gig economy, and you like that, and you

(02:17):
chose that, how come you don't get the freedom to
make your own calls and run your own life the
way you want to. And if you don't, how does
that make sense?

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Who? News of the world in ninety seconds?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
The Middle East is turning to shine. The Hamas leader
is dead.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
In the early hours of the morning is male honey
As residents and Tehran was hit.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
The cause and dimensions of this incident are under investigation.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
This has led to the dismayed from the British.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
It's going to put these cease fire talks which have
gone up and down in the likelihood and reach your result.
They're going on for weeks now. There must be a
step back for them. It's likely that I must a
going to step.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Back, not to move from the Americans, who must be
so ober at Bano.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
I think nothing takes away from the importance of getting
to the ceasefire. We've been working from day one not
only to try to get to a better place in Gaza,
but also to prevent the conflict from spreading in Gaza.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
They too wonder we're elite.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
This man could have signed the prisoner exchange here with
the Israelis. Why did they kill him? They killed peace,
not Ismailkhana, They killed the peace process.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
Why did Israel kill him?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Then we have the goal on heart attack and retribution
into Lebanon, which then leads to Lebanon retaliating.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
And how is this going to lead.

Speaker 7 (03:36):
To a regional and is this going to lead to
a regional bookcase?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's great to Britain with a downfall of heew we
which seems complete.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
The BBC is shocked to hear the details which have
emerged in court today. There can be no place for
such abhorrent behavior and our thoughts with all those affected.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Basically he played guilty. Finally, Big Move in Australia will
more with Gavin Gray about this after right thirty. Of course,
Big move in Australia. They're the first country in the
world to trial a nationwide peanuts immunotherapy program for babies
with peanut allergies. Essentially, they're going to try and build
tolerance by exposure. It's going to be administered over two years.
It's the exact opposite, of course, of all the advice
we've had n't all recently. And Australia, by the way,

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is the most allergic nation on earth. Fun fact, here's
the world in ninety A couple of numbers for you
of interest to annual inflation in Australia. The aforementioned went up,
so they got the big RB meeting next week three
point six to three point eight. They don't seem to
think the RB is going to be bothered by that
for some reason. And then overnight we've got the inflation
rate in Europe also unexpectedly up. So the inflation battle continues.

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And that's before we get to the FED. More shortly
twelve past.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Six, comb my costing breakfast.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Then we come to American job's private payrolls of one
hundred and twenty two thousand. Is that a lot?

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Not? Really?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
The estimate was one hundred and fifty, which brings us
yes to the FED fourteen past six, and well, Andrew Kellen.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
Had good morning, very good morning, Mike, and.

Speaker 8 (05:03):
They say, well, look, expectations leading into this announcement where
the Fed you know, may not move the Fed funds rate,
but they'd give a little bit more concrete frameworker out
what interest rate normalization.

Speaker 7 (05:15):
Would look like.

Speaker 8 (05:15):
So you've had quite a lot of investment positioning, you know,
based on expectation of lower interest rates. So it felt
like it was primed a bit for disappointment if those
expectations weren't realized. They've held rate steady, which was as
very much universally expected.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
Some of the.

Speaker 8 (05:30):
Comments that they've made, Mike, they're waiting for greater confidence
on inflation. Unemployment has moved up but remains low, and
now we start to get into the sort of interesting stuff.
They remain attentive to risks on both sides of their
dual mandate. So the Fed has a mandate that like
the arbians that used to have, of full employment and inflation.

(05:52):
It seems to indicate from what they're saying, and I
suspect that power will flash us out a little bit more.

Speaker 7 (05:57):
In his press conference, it.

Speaker 8 (05:58):
Seems to say that they're relaxed about, you know, where
inflation is tracking because they say the risks to achieving
the employment and the inflation goals continue to move into
better balance.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 8 (06:12):
There's quite as much a degree of certainty around a
FED cut as might have been expected. It's not been
ruled out. So they're sort of walking this tightrope at
the moment, sort of trying to keep the market on
their side, but you know, not actually over committing to anything.
They What they do say is they're still very data dependent.
We've obviously got the big non farm payrolls number that's

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coming out this weekend. At the moment, the market has
reacted quite positively. We've seen the we're seeing the share
markets have gone up. A little bit of disappointment on
the interest rate front, but it's not major at this stage.
So I think the real action will come after that
press conference, which is I think it's six thirty out
time exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
All right, confidence back here, it's over. We're happy again.
Look at these notes. What's happened was the problem? Mate?

Speaker 9 (06:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (06:59):
This is a little bit so pricing. Isn't that a
very interesting data print? So this is an said yesterday
releasing their business outlook.

Speaker 8 (07:06):
That's the survey results yesterday and there's been a big
bounce in business confidence. So headline business confidence has lifted
twenty one points to plus twenty seven in July, expected
own activity has lifted four points to plus sixteen. So
it all feels a little bit counterintuitive, doesn't it, because
the recent economic data, spending data, other surveys, well they've
all been pretty awful, really, haven't they.

Speaker 7 (07:26):
But look, this is very.

Speaker 8 (07:27):
Much a forward looking outcome. In other words, respondents are
looking at better times ahead. But the here and now
is still very still very soft, still very flat if
you look at where people's reported past own activity, So
looking backwards at fell six points to minus twenty four.
There's some good news in their inflation expectations they eased

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to three point two from three point five. And as usual,
when you dig down into the detail, there are quite
a few sort of stories or themes. Business confidence lifted
in every sector except retail, which is flat, which highlights
the super duff conditions for retails. You've got confidence lifting,
but basically the retail tools I'm not ringing. Cost expectations

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in construction, they're still high, but are subsiding if you
look at the sort of here and now versus that
improved forward sentiment activity in July versus one year ago.
If I sort of look at the different different sectors,
the construction index printing at minus sixty, retail minus forty one,
manufacturing minus thirty five, I mean those make very somber reading.

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The construction employment index versus one year ago minus fifty
s A in Z do make the point that the
forward indicators obviously bounced, but they are expressed as expectations
of high or lower versus current conditions which currently which
generally continues to sort of worsen.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
That reported on activity that.

Speaker 8 (08:50):
Has sort of quite good correlation to GDP growth MIC,
so you're still looking at Q two Q three growth
looking pretty soft.

Speaker 7 (08:58):
The final point I would make.

Speaker 8 (09:00):
Because you just got to ask the question, like, what
impact did so the sort of interest rate rally that
we've seen post the tenth of July have.

Speaker 7 (09:06):
On these responses.

Speaker 8 (09:08):
A and Z do tell us that twenty nine percent
of the responses came in after the RBNZ, which was
on the tenth of July or CPI seven hous long.

Speaker 7 (09:16):
So maybe it had an impact.

Speaker 8 (09:17):
We're not sure, but it sort of says that people
out there, they're wanting to feel better.

Speaker 7 (09:21):
About the world.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
No, kid, no, but it's just.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
It's just a question of getting there.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Okay, give us the numbers.

Speaker 8 (09:27):
So as we sit at the moment, the Dale Jones
is now up three hundred and thirteen points, which is
up three quarters of percent, so that's better than it
was before the FED. The S and P five hundred
is up one and a half percent, so good bounce
there eighty two points, and the Nasdaq has bounced back
from being under pressure.

Speaker 7 (09:43):
It's up two and a half percent.

Speaker 8 (09:45):
In video on a bit of a tear, it's up
four hundred and twenty eight points seventeen thousand, five hundred
and seventy six Overnight, the Forts one hundred gained over
one percent eight three six seven.

Speaker 7 (09:55):
The NICK gained almost one and a half percent.

Speaker 8 (09:58):
These or good numbers, aren't they five hundred se seventy
five points thirty nine thousand, one hundred one Shanka compers
it gained over two percent.

Speaker 7 (10:05):
Two nine three eight.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
The ASEX two hundred, the Ossie has had a CPI yesterday.

Speaker 7 (10:09):
The shar marker there has cheered.

Speaker 8 (10:11):
That that the ASEX two hundred up one point seventy
five percent of one hundred and thirty nine points eight
h nine two in the inns and nex fifty where
we were up point one of a percent, up forteen
points twelve four hundred.

Speaker 7 (10:23):
And five Kiwi dollars.

Speaker 8 (10:24):
I look at it right now, point five nine three
seven against the US. It has bound point nine oh
ninety nine against the Aussie point five four nine one
Euro point four six two seven against the pound Japanese
yen eighty nine point sixty nine.

Speaker 7 (10:36):
Gold is trading at two thousand, four hundred and twenty.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
Six US dollars and Brent crude eighty dollars and seventy
four cents.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
So you tomorrow, Andrew kellerhajomowalth dot co dot m ZKI.
Microsoft did okay, the share price didn't. They had a
cloud miss and everyone packed a sad. But the revenue
is up fifteen percent. Revenue for the quarter sixty four
point seven three billion dollars. Samsung, we told you about
this a couple of weeks ago because they flagged it.
But they make chips while they do a lot of stuff,

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but their chips department did quite well because they're operating.
Profit is up one thousand, four hundred and fifty eight
zero point two percent, six twenty one here at Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
The Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
As we speak, Trump is in Chicago in front of
a series of black journalists who have invited along for
a chats. Going particularly poorly at the moment, and we'll
give you some highlights in just a couple of moments.
More importantly, though, you could be forgiven if you don't
follow this closely. The Middle East. Trying to explain and
work your way through this. But basically, we've had an
attack by Lebanon into Israel, a retaliation from Israel into Lebanon,

(11:40):
probably another Lebanon into Israel as a result of that. Meantime,
they've gone in they haven't claimed it, but probably did
it into Tehran and got the guy from her Mass.
So you've got his Bala and you've got her mass.
You've got a tremendous amount of pressure and genuine worry
all over the world. Now this goes truly regional, but
Netnyahu is not for two citizen of Israel.

Speaker 10 (12:03):
Back in the first early days of the war, I
said that it will take a long time, and that
it will require all of us to be patient, and
I would like to reiterate that tonight. For over the
last few months, there's not been a single week when
I have not been told domestically and from outside the
country and the war and the war because we have
exhausted everything we can achieve and we cannot win it.

(12:26):
I did not give into these voices then, and I
will not give into them today.

Speaker 11 (12:32):
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Speaker 2 (12:37):
Pretty Flintoff was back on television. Haven't heard from him
since December of twenty two when he had that dreadful
crash while he was filming Top Gear, led to a
bunch of injuries and broken rubs. He's never spoken about
it since then. Of course, the show's gone on and
been canceled, but he does have other tellies. Back on
season two, He's got a show called Freddy Flintoff's Field
of Dreams, so he takes a group of youths from

(12:58):
his hometown, turns him into a cricket team. Season two
is going to take them on tour in India. Anyway,
now that he's spreaking his show, it's his first chance,
of course, to tell us about what happened on top
of you. Freddy's got a new ambitious plan.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
I want to take you on tour. Wow, I want
to take you to India.

Speaker 12 (13:15):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (13:16):
I wanted the boys to learn some outside the comforts
on but something happened which changed my life forever. This
is the story.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
It's just mad to do what you want of the
most unlikely cricket tour.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
Nope, not eating it. Yeah, see that, guys, that almost
didn't happen. We're all going to find out something about ourselves,
me included.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's so different to anything that they'd have experienced before.
So it is on the UK August thirteen eventually gets
to TV and s in on demand. Apparently in the
letter part of last year Kevin Gray after write thirty
Southport's exploded. So the attack the other day and overnight,
thirty nine police officers have been injured. Eight of them
sustained serious injuries, fractures, lacerations, suspected broken nose, can cussion,

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one officer being knocked unconscious, suffered head and serious facial injuries.
Three police dogs have also been hurt. It's like it's
such a mess. That's before you get to Venee Whaler
where Costa Rica's wade an overnight. I'll tell you about that,
but there is growing suspicion, not that there wasn't suspicion
in the first place, that Maduro stacked the cards. And
it's a shamble. So they're on the streets, south ports

(14:27):
and flames. The Middle East is a complete chaotic shambles.
So all of that to be covered off for the
rest of the morning, of course, and then we come
back to the New Zealand economy at a couple of moments,
and you read this morning on where we're at and
paying our bills? Is it getting better? Is there's some
hope here? Will crunch those numbers for you after the news,
which is next.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,
like my costing breakfast with Bailey's real Estate doing real
estate differently since nineteen seventy three, news dogs had been.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
No question the Harris camp in the US, where I
seem to be in challeging of the momentum at the moment,
we've gone to polling, fresh polling in seven swing stits.
That'll work you through as the morning unfolds. But Trump,
as we speak, as in Chicago in front of a
black journalist's gathering, not a good start.

Speaker 13 (15:14):
You've had dinner with a white supremacist at your marologue resort.
So my question, sir, now that you are asking black
supporters to.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Vote for you, why should.

Speaker 13 (15:24):
Black voters trust you after you have used language like that.

Speaker 14 (15:29):
Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been
asked a question so in such a horrible manner. First question,
you don't even.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Say hello, how are you?

Speaker 14 (15:40):
Are you with ABC? Because I think they're a fake
news network, a terrible bad luck, and I think it's
disgraceful that I came here in good spirit. I love
the black population of this country. I've done so much
for the black population of this.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Country, proved because they got onto Camala and his or Kamela.
And whether or not she was hired because of her race,
she was.

Speaker 14 (16:06):
Always of Indian heritage and she was only promoting Indian heritage.
I didn't know she was black until a number of
years ago when she happened to turn black. And now
she wants to be known as black. So I don't
know is she Indian.

Speaker 15 (16:20):
Or is she black?

Speaker 13 (16:21):
She has always.

Speaker 14 (16:23):
College I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because
she was Indian all the way, and then all of
a sudden, she made a turn and she went she
became a black. Just to be clear, I think somebody
should look into that too.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
They'll be more before the day's out, I'm sure. Meantime,
I've got transgender issues at the Olympics from the Italians
point of view. Jeremy Kenner and rhymes shortly meantime, back here,
fresh quarterly data for you from Centric this morning. Upside
over all the ree years of the East, year on year,
they still have nine percent, but for the quarter of
that East in financial hardship, it's increased by quite a
bit more, falling behind all mortgages and energy payments. Centric

(17:01):
managing director Keith McLoughlin's well, there's Keith, morning to you.

Speaker 12 (17:04):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
So sum it up good?

Speaker 12 (17:06):
Bad?

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Or are we treading water? What's going on?

Speaker 16 (17:09):
Well, I said, the consumer's perspective, it's very good. There's
been a downward trend in areas basically all of this
calendar year. So it really indicates that households are getting
back in control of their budgets and managing their money
a lot better. And yeah, I think they're just not
spending the discretionary dollar that they used to speed. So
I think that that's good news. I think from the

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company's side, things are still a bit tight in their
area there.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
When you talk, well, you've got two stories of the companies.
One is that people aren't spending, so they'll be squeezed,
and then you get those that are so squeezed they're
going into liquidation. From a historical point of view, How
bad are liquidations at the moment.

Speaker 16 (17:47):
Well, they are bad. They're certainly hard. And I've been
to the last four or five years, and I think
that's a little bit of a carryover from the easy
of pressure over the post COVID period to allow businesses
to get back on this. And yes, we are seeing
a significant increase in the number of companies that are
going in liquidation. I mean it's up nineteen percent on
where it was this time last year. But really the

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hidden number, and that is there's about fifty thousand businesses
in the last month that have just closed their door
and walked away. And that's the hidden damage that we
see to businesses.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's extraordinary, isn't it. Is this the worst it gets,
or is there more to come or we just don't know.

Speaker 16 (18:24):
I think on the consumer side, I think it's going
to get better, no question about that. And I think
comes September October will start to see consumer confidence come
back into the market and as a result of that,
hopefully an increase in spending, which will help some of
the businesses. But I think on the business side, we're
probably another two or three months of difficult times before
we start to see that flows of cash.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
What's actually happened on the consumer side, because I'm looking
at increase in mortgage lending, so that that shows optimism.
The rates are still comparatively high. Have we just decided
they are what they are? We may as well go
for it.

Speaker 16 (18:57):
Yes, I think we'll call people out. Was not the
fact that interest rates where they are today. I think
it was the speed in which they lifted, and a
lot of households were caught short as far as that
was concerned, it didn't have time to adjust their spinding.
I think now people have accepted it is where it is.
They're looking for some reduction, but in the meantime they're
going along okay. And I think really the confidence and

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the whole commercial industry relies on consumer confidence. Yeah, I
think that's starting to creep back into the market now.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Gee that's encouraging to hear. Weld On. Keith appreciate it
very much. Keith McLaughlin, Centrics, managing Director, with us this morning,
nineteen minutes away from seven. So David Seymour in announced
time he's got three things going on, this weird pin battle.
I'll explain it if you've missed it, but you know
pins on suits and stuff. You're not allowed to answer
questions if you were in party paraphernalia. And the House
Jury browlely decided that yesterday one person was and so

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he couldn't answer a question. And then David Sewall got
all upset. So you got that. Then you got Laura Trusk,
who's in charge of a select committee, the suggestion being
they wanted her out based on the fact that she's
not brown enough. There seems to be a counter argument
to that, So that's number two. Problem number three. Karen Chuan,
who's been in charge of these military academies that got
underway this week, all of a sudden tells us this.

Speaker 17 (20:08):
I can't control what the public is saying about my
personal traits around being maldy enough or not being the
right kind.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Of traumatized person.

Speaker 17 (20:20):
Hearing it from other mpiece that shouldn't be allowed. I'm
still a person. I'm still a person, and I feel
like I'm getting that stripped away from me day by
day in this place. I've had enough. I asked for
an apology, That's all I wanted, and I didn't get one.
And that's so disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
So she she was in tears if you couldn't pick
that up. So something's gone horrifically wrong there as well.
All of this to be covered in the now eighteen.

Speaker 18 (20:46):
To two.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
The My Costing Breakfast Molly Mike.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
If you can't wear pins on your jacket in parliament,
how can you wear a cowboy hat in parliament?

Speaker 12 (20:54):
Mark?

Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's not an unfair question, but the answer is really easy.
The answer is that it's party paraphernalia. And to a
degree you could argue at got hoisted by their own
petar because they were the ones I think who raised
the issue of One of the Green impeas had some
stickers Maray party type stickers on the front of their
laptops and the laptop was on display in parliament. They said, well,
you can't have party paraphernalia in parliament. So there was
that argument, and then as a result of that, they said, well,

(21:17):
you can't have party paraphernalia on your lapel of your
suit jacket. A hat is not party paraphernalia.

Speaker 15 (21:23):
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Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
It'll be bound. We are Joe McKenna, Good morning to you.

Speaker 19 (21:32):
Good morning March.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
So we got the box of the Algeri and where
does this go?

Speaker 19 (21:36):
Look, this is an interesting one. I don't know if
this has shown up in other sports at the Olympics
so far, but the Italians are not happy because Angela Karini,
one of the female boxes, is about to face off
against Iman Khaliff, an Algerian who was disqualified from last
year's International Boxing Championships for failing gender eligibility tests. Now

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that means heavy dose of testosterone there. So somehow the
Olympic committee uses a different set of rules for admission,
and they've also allowed Taiwan's Lynn U Ting to compete
after she was banned last year for the same issue.
Of course, Italians are not happy about this.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
No, I'm not surprised. Having said that, generally speaking, the Olympics,
how are they going for you? How much interest is
they're in Italy in it.

Speaker 19 (22:22):
Look, there's been a lot of interest. The Italian swimmers
have done quite well and they've been picking up medals.
Also in the gymnastics they did quite well against the Americans.
So there is a lot of interest and I think
a lot of pride in how they're going so far.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
It's funny Tuesdays to Catherine Field about it and this
is the opening ceremony. And the French loved it, lapped
it up, thought it was the greatest thing ever. Macron said,
we will be talking about it forever. And I do
wonder that last Supper thing, how did that go down well?
You know, just in front of the Vatican there did.

Speaker 19 (22:51):
Not go down well at all with the French bishops
or the Italian bishops. The Italian bishops had an editorial
out on Saturday in their paper called the Avenira, which
is a daily that comes out here in Italy, slamming
the event, slamming the last Supper scene and said on
their X account, what is the sense in transforming every

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event on the planet, even a sporting event, into gay pride?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Interesting Venice, they're still on about the tourists, so they've
charged you to go in now. The idea is going
to limit party numbers.

Speaker 19 (23:26):
Yes, this has been coming for a while. It was
supposed to happen in June, and they're going ahead with
it tomorrow, basically limiting the size of tourist parties to
twenty five people. And even that's quite big when you
think about those tiny bridges and the small alleys in Venice.
So this is another attempt to reduce the impact of
the crowds in Venice. I don't know if it's going

(23:47):
to make much of a difference, but the fines are
quite hefty mic up to five hundred euros that's nine
hundred New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Wow. Interesting And I was funnily enough commenting yesterday. So
you know, obviously we're all following France Europe. This summer
doesn't seem as hot as previous years, and you're telling
us Rome's burning.

Speaker 20 (24:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (24:09):
Look, I think last year seemed very intense for a
fairly short period, whereas here we've seem to have had
a month of thirty seven thirty eight degrees and there's
no sign of it letting up in the short term.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Wow, So how bad is it?

Speaker 19 (24:24):
It's pretty intense I didn't feel much of a breeze
today and I was out and about and without the
air con, you really start to feel it.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
So it's words coming up nine o'clock. What do you
good at the moment?

Speaker 19 (24:36):
Overnight it drops down to about twenty five, so it's
still quite hot.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Jeez, you want some cool there, wouldn't you?

Speaker 11 (24:42):
Go?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Well, Joe, we'll catch up next to this. Its very
much Joe McKenna out of Italy for us this morning. Yeah,
I referenced Costa Rica. They've waged into Venezuela. They're still
on the streets in Venezuela at the moment where the scenes,
I don't know. The military is still with Madeiro. But
Machado had the presidential Machada was the opposition leader, and
the presidential candidate Gonzales, who claims he's won. And not

(25:03):
only do they claim he's won, they claim he got
over seventy percent of the vote. Officially, the Venezuelans have
said that Maduro got fifty one percent, but the international
community going whatever, let's see the numbers are. But Costa
Rica's waden and anyone who wants to go who's under
some sort of political trouble can go and park themselves

(25:24):
in Costa Rica for a while, so political immunity is
available to them. So that's an unvolving story as well.
It is ten away from seven.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Called the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range rover of
the LA News Talks head been yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Just in reference to the polling in America, she's gaining
Harris gaining ground on Trump and six of seven of
the swing states. This is bloomberg. So taken in July
twenty four through twenty eight, last couple of days, Harris
leads Trump and Michigan by eleven, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada two points,
so it's still within the margin of era, but she's ahead,
so that's psychological. Trumps are head in Pennsylvania by four,

(25:58):
that's outside the margin of Araa, North Carolina by a
couple equal footing in Georgia as she was in Atlanta
yesterday and she goes this presidency runs through Georgia, and
we all know about Georgia, don't we. If Georgia doesn't
go well, you hit the phone now asked for some votes.
Spain more scandal Sanchez, who were not big fans of

(26:19):
because he got involved the Merston. The scandal that involves
his wife, packed a mass of sad. Lost the local elections,
packed an even bigger sad, went to the national elections,
lost the election, then managed to cobble together this jury
mannied collection of minor parties that now forms the Spanish government. Anyway,
his wife's now in court over those original allegations that

(26:40):
he got so fed up about. He's refused to testify
before a judge. This is corruption we're talking about. Alleged
that she used her position to influence business deals. Judge
refused Sanchez's request to submit a written testimony. Sanchesters constantly
and consistently said the case was a smear campaign, so
we'll see where that goes. Tell you look around the
world at the moment. He's a few problems on the bay,

(27:02):
haven't you. Boy. It's five away from seven.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Or roads, the ins and the ouse.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's the fizz with business fiber take your business productivity
to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
And trouble and business. Boeing Boeing new ceo. Would you
want that job of the Boeing rang you up and
said mate, how about it? Would you go? Absolutely anyway?
They've got a new CEO here's his job is to
sort the place out. His former Rockwell Colin C guy
called Kelly Ortberg. He's got over three decades experience in aerospace.
So what have we got. Boeing's are boomed through seven

(27:34):
point two billion dollars worth of cash in Q two,
just in those three months, seven point two billion dollars
worth of cash, not delivering as many planes as they
used to. Wonder why Q three not expected to be
a lot better? So Q two net loss of two
point four billion, revenue down fifteen percent to twenty eight
point four billion. Commercial unit's got a thirty two percent

(27:55):
drop year on year. They've delivered only ninety planes compared
with one hundred and thirty sixty years ago. They delivered
only seventy seven three sevens compared to one hundred and
three a year ago. They delivered nine Dreamliners compared with twenty.
I mean, we're in, aren't we here? In New Zealand.
They're into the Dreamliners. They've got a few Dreamliners on order.
They said the other day, no, we'll take the Dreamline.
There's no problem at all. We're happy with the Dreamliners

(28:16):
if they ever get them. Of course, Yet they still
say the plan is to increase their max plans production
to thirty eight a month, despite the fact they're in
the mid twenties per month four Q two. So not
making a lot of planes, not selling a lot of planes,
reputationally shot to pieces, and old Kelly's going to give

(28:36):
it a crack and see, we can't turn this whole
thing around, right, So what have we got for you?
We got Israel the Middle East, that whole mess. Will
work you through that a little bit. We've got four
regional CEO's announced yesterday. This isn't health. Health has become
am I boring. Health has become to me fascinating all
of a sudden, it's become deeply fascinating. Somewhere in the
middle lies the truth. I no longer fully one hundred

(28:59):
percent sent believe the government that the board were completely
and utterly incompetent. I have no doubt in my mind
they were partially incompetent, but they weren't completely incompetent. So
somewhere in the Allies the truth. And I don't think
what Shane Retty told us is the full story. So anyway,
they appoint Lester. Lester goes and appoints four new CEOs,
so we actually come back. If you remember and if

(29:20):
you're a long term listened to this program, my idea
of how to run health in this country, which was
not twenty three DHPS. I said four, let's do four,
and they said no, Andrew Little said no, I know best,
it's one, and suddenly they've landed back at four. If
this works out, you know who to think news next.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
The breakfast show you can trust, the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with Alveda, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News tog said.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Be seven past seven. So the latest development on the
health front is the appointment of four regional CEOs basically
will have specific operations in Northern Midland, Central and the
South Island. Modus apparandi doesn't change. Slim it down, move
the middle management out and save money. Health commentator Impal's
with us Ian good morning to you. Good morning twenty
three DHBs. Clearly too many one apparently doesn't work.

Speaker 20 (30:09):
Do for.

Speaker 18 (30:11):
I think it would be wrong to see this as
dhb's coming back. I think it's within the same structure,
but it's an tenor well the rhetoric, so the language
goes to devolve a level of decision making closer and
more regionally, but within the same structure. So it's not
bringing back district healthports. The question is is it going

(30:34):
to make a difference, And well, the first response is
far too early to tell that. I had a discussion
with Shane Retti not long before the last election and
we talked about, rather than restructure and completely the new
Health New Zealand, that that decision making be devolved within

(30:57):
it and A and he's already been thinking about that
quite seriously, and he was that's that's where he was
thinking was going. In some respects, it's the continuation of that.
But there is a real problem. Unless you change the culture,
the leadership culture of the whole organization, it's going to
mean nothing because, as you know, Mike, if he just

(31:18):
simply changes structure and that's all you do, you won't
achieve the change that you seek, the improvements that you're seeking.
In fact, it will go back.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
A couple of Broadbays questions for you, given your experience
in the sector is roughly speaking, thirty billion, as the
Prime mister argues, enough in other words, there is enough money.
It's what you do with the accounts.

Speaker 18 (31:37):
I don't think I think that's wrong. I certainly believe
that we had much more of an engagement field culture,
and we had more direct involvement with people who actually
know how to do the job of delivering healthcare, then
we could probably get a better return for the health dollar.
But in the absence of that, it is and that

(31:58):
would take a bit of time. In the absence of that,
it's not enough. It's clearly per capita the spending is
dropping now and it's also not keeping up with the
demands on the health system, which is that we have
more sick of people needing health care and more often
and more of those people are very sick rather than

(32:20):
simply sick.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
And the other one, the right. The mixed message was
the board was incompetent. They couldn't see a thing. They
didn't answer the questions they needed to go true or not.

Speaker 18 (32:29):
I think they're superficial, very superficial analysis. So I think
that the boards did struggle, but the whole organization was struggling.
I think the board has been escape coated.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Can you see a fix? And I mean, god, how
many times, how many years have we been talking about
the dysfunction of health in New Zealand. Do you ever
see a day when you can come on and go,
all things being equal, it's okay.

Speaker 18 (32:51):
Well, I'm a firm believer that if you don't have hope,
you have nothing, and you can't have ad a piece
to address the problem. Having said that, it is a
very despairing situation.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Look.

Speaker 18 (33:05):
When National, sorry, the Labor therdth government came in twenty
and seventeen, they inherited a mess and their contribution was
to make that mess messier. When National came in, they
inherited even greater mess. And I have to say, unfortunately
they are mora less doing what Labor did previously. They're

(33:27):
making a very messy situation messy.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Okay, so you and I will be talking for a
few more years. Yet an appreciate that very much impelled
health commentator these days eleven minutes past seven, plead him
a mess. With the assassination of the Harmas leader, the fear,
of course, grows that the war was about to go regional.
In Tel Aviv, Israeli journalist Merren rappapause, Well there's Meren,
good morning to you.

Speaker 21 (33:48):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
No one's claimed it yet, will they do you think?

Speaker 21 (33:55):
As well declined to take responsibility, but all you know
that it was behind it when he minister in the
EU government boasted that was more or less involved. For think,
all the fingers point to Israel, though I did not

(34:17):
officially at each responsibility.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Listen, we're going to abandon this. Meren will come back
to you possibly later in the program. That phone line's
not good enough for us. Mere and Rappaport, who's in
the middle of Tel Aviv at the moment, We apologize
for that. Eleven minutes past seven, just thact the Health
Business the disappoint a couple of former board members disappointed
in the Prime Minister's personal attacks on their credibility and
defense of the Prime Minister. One of them was Curtis Walker,
who was raised in question time yesterday by Asha Verel,

(34:43):
a renal specialist at Palmeston North Lux and Willis. This
is disinformation, he argues, I disagree that the board lacked
financial skills and oversight. All of the questions that are
being asked now publicly were asked around the board table
of the management. The board was expecting Health New Zealand
to have a significant surplus, became a of its financial
problems as early as possible in March. Now March is
interesting to me because in talking to Prime Minister a

(35:05):
couple of weeks ago about it, he claimed in October
they had some red flag or was it October or
was it March. If Luckson's right and it was October,
why is the board not aware of it until March,
which then backs up Luxon in the sense that maybe
they were incompetent there was another person. Vanessa Stoddart she
is disappointed in the personal comments. I would defend Luxon
on this. If you're on a public board and you've

(35:26):
accepted the job, and you accept the pay, and you
get removed for alleged incompetence, you've got to expect some criticism.
You can't then you go it's not for you. You
can't say anything nasty about me. I mean an opinions
an opinion, and when it comes from the Prime Minister,
he's entitled to it anyway. Vanessa Stoddard says the deficit
was largely as a result, and I don't think we're
at the bottom of this yet. There seems to be

(35:48):
some sort of miscommunication, whether deliberate or not, as to
whether the amount of money the one hundred and thirty
million dollars a month was because they suddenly hired so
many nurses they didn't know what to do with them,
or inefficiency or a combination of the two. She acknowledged though,
and this is important, they could have acted faster and
harder in some areas with the benefit of hindsight. So

(36:10):
I think there's an element of a little bit of
mayor culper there. Thirteen past seven, the host refers, it's
not the letter from David seymore too. The speaker Jerry
brownly about the concerns over Laura Trusk and the subcommittee.
I'll work you through that in a couple of minutes
before we talk to us Seymour after seven to thirty meantime,
from our science Will sabers file, it's being discovered that
an extract of daffodils no less could help cut methane emission.

(36:34):
So this is Agra zero Z. They're partnering with a
Welsh company to trial the potentially groundbreaking tech on animals.
Here now the agg Zero New Zealand Chief executive WAYN
McNee is with us. Wayne Morning, Good morning Mike. On
an excitement scale ten, you're fizzing beyond anything you're fizzed
about before. Where are you on this.

Speaker 22 (36:52):
I lock this as early stage work, but we're excited
about the potential of it. It's been proven to work
in a lab to reduce emissions and remnis and animals,
and the work we're funding is to do trials in
New Zealand on the product to see if it will
work in a New Zealand farming system. So excited, but
you know it's one of a number of things we're
investing in.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Can I ask a really basic question, why wouldn't you
just plant the field with daffodils, have the cows eat
them and see if it works.

Speaker 22 (37:18):
Yeah, well you have to extract the homentomine, which is
the active ingredient and is in very small quantities in
the daffodils. Daffodils also have to be grown in a
harsh environment, so that's why they'll be suited to being
grown in a high country New Zealand and why they
were originally grown in whales.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
But why do you have to extract? If I consider,
does something happen when you extract? Because if I consume
it as a flower, is it not in there anyway?

Speaker 22 (37:40):
Well, for a start, they don't particularly like eating daffodils.
Sheep and cattle and the active You need to concentrate it,
you know, in much larger quantities than you get if
you just state the deafidils. So definitely need to extract it.
And the trials that we're funding will be at Lincoln
University in the South Island looking at how this product
actually works in animals.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
So you've got a twofold thing, correct me if I'm wrong. One,
you've got the growing and extraction process, because I mean,
presumably if it works in the hills and whales, you
can just sell it around the world. And then two,
how do you feed the cows once you've extracted it?
Is it just put in to feed?

Speaker 22 (38:14):
Yeah, it's put in as a feed additive. It'll be
put in as a feed additive. Alternatively, it could potentially
be used in a bowlus so you could put it
inside the room and of the animal. That's later work.
Let's see if it works in the animals first, as
opposed to just in the lab.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
And when you say the animals, is just cows or
if it works and cows, could it work in sheep
and goats and all of that?

Speaker 10 (38:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (38:32):
Yeah, no, if it works and cows, it should also
work in sheep and goats and deer.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Fantastic. How long before we know?

Speaker 22 (38:40):
So this trial is February next year, Febry twenty twenty five.
We'll know pretty soon after that whether or not it'll
work and animals, and then after that we'll scale up
the work. And the other advantage is that if we
grow the death it was in New Zealand, then there'll
be an income for farmers as well from that.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
So you can grow and feed the cows and the
whole thing's fantastic. See, this is what I love about
the whole climate debate. It's this sort of thing that
we don't know about until we know about it that
eventually is going to help, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (39:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (39:06):
And look, we're investing in a whole range of different
tools and hoping to have two or three that farmers
can use by sort of twenty six twenty seven, and
you know, maybe this will be one of them, but
early days. But yeah, we are excited about the potential
of it.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Good stuff. Go well, Wayne, We'll stay in touch on
this one. Wayne McNee, who's the Agri zero New Zealand
chip zep. See, no need to panic. We'll get there
in the end. Speaking which Bremworth. Can I just congratulate
them this morning? Two million dollar marketing campaign to promote wool.
No one loves wool more than me and King Charles
and obviously Brimworth. We are, by the way, the world's
third largest will produce in nine percent of the global
production all over the world. I've told you endlessly about

(39:40):
the problems with wool. Strong walls are problems selling at
people going Astarangwell, I'd rather have you know, lino on
my floor or something nice like that. When I say
hard floor. We must talk to Bremworth about this because
they say people prefer hard floors. What what if you
go slate or stone or something esthetic like that versus just,
you know, synthetic carpet. Are we talking about wooll carpet

(40:03):
business synthetic carpet or are we talking I don't stone
versus carpet. Anyway, they're launching this big two million dollar
campaign to retell the story about how important it's they say,
a very important thing. They may spend you and I,
we may spend thousands of dollars on a bench top,
but when it comes to carpet, it doesn't enjoy the

(40:23):
same prestige and it should good point and in that
I wish them well seven.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
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We need to grow because well what we do is
sell stuff to the world, and for that we need ports.
Northport have been denied resource consent, all of them. All
the consents, all of them denied. Independent commissioners looked at
the application as sent to the local councils, turn them

(41:57):
all down there now after the Environment Court. Now one
of the owners of Northport happens to be tarong A Port.
They too have been in the Environment Court lately because
they too wanted to expand, and they too were tied
up by locals in a seemingly never ending series of
red tape and obfuscation. The Taronga case has been going
on for years. Both examples would provide jobs, income tax growth,

(42:19):
remember those, And yet as a country currently on its
needs economically, we still can't seem to find the wherewithal
to give ourselves the uppercut required to get our act together.
Enter the fast tracked law. Northport is applied to be
one of the cases. It would go to a group
of experts if they take it off its heads, directly
to the minister who makes the decision. Remarkably, we have
opposition from some who argue about democracy and having our say.

(42:42):
What they actually mean when you break it down, are
knitpickers and councils and single issue zealots who hire lawyers
to tie things up and court. In other words, we
have the current model. It doesn't work, it's inefficient, it's slow,
it's expensive, it's anti growth. And yet they defend it.
Like the military academy we've seen, like the health service
we've seen, like the sanctions on job seeker. We've seen

(43:04):
failed systems defended for no other reason than bloody mindedness.
When a business can't do business because of rules and bureaucrats,
the system is broken when a country through rule steimy's growth.
Yet I wonder about the future. Pasking by way of
the background, that tower on the port, the environment caught
there and there at the moment was standing by allegedly
for some sort of decision. The process began in twenty eighteen,

(43:25):
right five years ago, if you want to take it
back actually to when the RAMA was introduced. It began
in nineteen ninety one. Twenty eighteen, they applied it was
going to cost sixty eight million dollars two years to build. Eleven.
EWI and HAPU groups opposed it. There was supposed to
be a hearing in July twenty two, that got pushed
to March of last year. After the hearing, the court
said they make a final summation by April six last year.

(43:47):
April six came and went, wasn't till December. The Environment
Court granted them an interim decision. They were allowed to
begin Stage one, but also given six months to address
further matters quote unquote further matters. The ports submitted again
in June. Six years. In that time, the cost has
gone from sixty eight million dollars to ninety and counting

(44:08):
in every chance that when the Environment Court comes back
whenever that is, and makes their decision, that that one's
going to be appealed as well. So you can see
the lack of progress in this country and how hard
it actually is to do business. Speaking of business the subcommittee.
The letter from mister Seymour to mister Brownlee about Laura
Trusk and Mariameno Kapakinghi and carha Angi Karter, a couple

(44:29):
of MPs. You probably never heard of it. Nevertheless, they
were opposing Mistrusk being the chair of this particular committee
and they thought Carmel cepalone might be better. The inference
being Carmel Cepaloni is the right color to do the job.
So one of three things the act Party's got going
on in Parliament, and with the Speaker at the moment,
will dissect them all with the act Party Leader David
Symour after the news which.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Is next.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
The big news Bold opinions the mic Hosking breakfast with
the range rover villa designed to intrigue and use togs
Dead b.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Samuel Whitelocke, who is the most capta All Black of
all time all Black captain of course now retired, is
in Greece at the moment, and he's in Greece because
he's retired. And his story is quintessential in New Zealand,
one one of growing up on a farm of great
all back connections with the family of course, so a
great story. He's with us up to eight o'clock this
morning speaking of stories. Though the weirdest stone in Parliament

(45:30):
as lapel pins became a standoff issue between ACT and
the Speaker. Then we had claims of racism over Select
Committee jobs, and then Karen Tua ended up in tears
claiming she's being bullied. So it's all to do with
the ACT Party. In the head of the ACT Party
is David Symore. He's with us very good morning, good morning.
Make the chure thing first. What's happened.

Speaker 12 (45:49):
Well, Karen, as you know, has been advancing the six
and seven AA reforms which take out the requirement of
Orangatamriki to put the treaty ahead anything else. We want
children's welfare to be the number one issue when it
comes to orang A tama Riki's operation. We don't want
these reverse uplifts where you can get taken out of

(46:09):
her household because the parents are supposedly the long race.
Now Karen has copped a lot of flat for that,
and a lot of it's quite personal from people saying
mainly from two party Maori in Peace to some extent
from Greens and Labor in the House. I mean, certainly
there's people in the public, but some of the things
that are being said about her that she is, you know,

(46:33):
somehow has internalized racism, that she's not a proper Maori,
that she's on a trauma journey because of the trauma
that she had in her upbringing. She's not really doing
the right thing. I mean, if they want to argue
the policy, go for it. I'm there all day, and
so as Karen. But it's the personalized attacks about her race,
at background and her upbringing that really are just as

(46:58):
unacceptable is Kennedy's.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I mean, the public's one thing you can't do a
lot of it is social media. But within the parliament
when that happens, is there anything I mean that's bullying
in the workplace.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Isn't it?

Speaker 12 (47:08):
Well, it is. I mean, I just acknowledge that everything
going on parliamentary drama is probably the last thing people
want to hear about, but our parliament functioning does ultimately matter,
and it's important just to put out there that it's
actually a sort of self governing community. I mean, technically
the police can't come onto Parliament crowns and arrest and
MP so we rely on our speaker to uphold the

(47:32):
rules and uphold the standards. And really what's happening here
is actors increasingly frustrated when we take measures to the
speaker and say that you actually need to uphold some
standards because otherwise everything's just going to descend. We don't
feel we're getting the response, and that's why you're seeing
some tension there.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Okay, so the letter you wrote to Jerry brownling the
claim from Kappaki and Carter, with all due respect, people
will be very stressed about giving evidence on Simon double
A where most of meters will be Mari. It would
be better if they had someone chearing who is Mari
or Pacifica, as they won't recognize themselves in you. Carter says, yes,

(48:09):
it's better that Carmel as in Sepalone chairs as she
is relatable to submit. It is that I mean? Is that?
I mean that's racism, isn't it?

Speaker 12 (48:19):
Well, it's absolutely racism, and that is Laura's recollection that's
been corroborated by three national MP's who were there. Just
to be clear, the context was there's a select committee,
a closed door meeting. They had to choose amongst themselves
somebody to chair a subcommittee to hear from members of
the public and people said basically, Laura Trusk, who as

(48:42):
a New Zealand European woman from christ Church, wouldn't be
able to do the job because the submitters quote might
not see themselves in you.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I just it is.

Speaker 12 (48:54):
It is racism. It wouldn't be allowed in any other workplace.
I'm sure people listen would know if that happened to
mere workplace. People have hit the ruth and all sorts
of inquiries and all sorts. As I say, parliament is
a sort of self governing community where we as MPs
elect our speakers to uphold the rules. We wrote to
the speaker we said this is pretty serious and the

(49:15):
response we got, which was copied back to the two
people that we complained about their behavior, basically said there
is no issue. I will take no further action. We
subsequently wrote back and say, hear, okay, mister Speaker, we
reflect your rule because you know you've got to do
all that, but can you please just address the issue
of the race, because it goes to the heart of

(49:37):
our democracy that New Zealanders can elect someone to represent
them and that they cannot be easily intimated a little
and discriminated or racially harassed, and again we haven't had
much joy from that, so we're becoming increasingly frustrated. And
we know people don't want to hear about all this
parliamentary stuff, but we actually do think it's important, and
that's why we've gone public with it.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Where you might be in trouble here is the pin thing. See.
I watched it play out yesterday, and you're a person
of principle, and I get that, and your principle's right
and the pen and I understand that, but once you
get down to pins and lapels, that's where people go.
You know what, surely we can do better than this,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 12 (50:15):
Yeah, I totally accept that. I know people don't want
to see it, and the pin thing is a sideshow,
but I think the point it makes is that you've
got a speaker who was actually prepared to stop people
asking and answering questions because he wants them to not
wear a pin, which, by the way, you know, even
Truvor Mallard said you can wear five years ago, and
everyone has for years. So he's quite happy to go

(50:36):
to the wall on that, but he's not addressing these
deeper issues around a member of Parliament being told that
she can't do a job because of their racial background.
When stuff like that comes up, that's just whatever. And
as a result, the standards are slipping and as a result,
people like Karen are very upset by the way the
tone of Parliament is changing, the abuse that's been thrown

(50:58):
around and ultimate is bad for all of us. That's
why we're taking the stand.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Good to talk to you appreciate it very much. David Seymour,
the act leader. Then for all of you have said
can they wear Palestinian scarfs? Once again, I reiterate Brownly's thinking.
A Palestinian scarf is not party paraphernalia. It doesn't represent
a party. It's not green, it's not labor, it's not national.
It's the party paraphernalia you can't wear. It's the same
way if you have more a Gucci T shirt that

(51:23):
you wouldn't be banned because it's not party paraphernalia. Seventeen
to eight Mike Costing Breakfast fourteen away from eight. You
split on Seymour, Mike can't wish more MPs had Seymour's
plane speaking manner stands out like a slap in the
face when you compare into people like Chloe Mike Act
as too principle to focused on MINUTIAI there are more
important issues in the country. Act becomes irrelevant to the
vast majority of voters. It's time wasting. Jerome Powell, the Fed,

(51:47):
we're all fascinated. We've got Australia coming next week and
the global debate over inflation and when the interest rates
start to get cut has never been more prevalent in
our minds. So the Fed this morning, We're never really
going to move, but as always the commentary is the
important But will they move and if they do win?
This is Powell.

Speaker 23 (52:05):
The economy is moving closer to the point at which
it will be appropriate to reduce our policy rate. In
that we will be data dependent, but not data point dependent,
so it will not be a question of responding specifically
to one or two data releases. The question will be
whether the totality of the data, the evolving outlook in
the balance of risks are consistent with rising confidence on

(52:27):
inflation and maintaining a solid labor market. If that test
is met, a reduction in our policy rate could be
on the table as soon as the next meeting.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
In September.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
There we go, and that's what you were wanting to hear, or well,
that's what many people were wanting to hear. And of course,
of if they go, who else goes because of that?
Then we come back to Chicago and one wonders, it's
all oben. Now for Donald I just wonder whether he
regrets accepting the inviot. But he did get a chance
to talk about black jobs and illegal immigrants.

Speaker 14 (52:55):
A lot of the journalists in this room are black.
I will tell you that coming from the border are
millions and millions of people that happen to be taking
black jobs.

Speaker 13 (53:08):
You had the best what exactly the black job, sir?

Speaker 14 (53:11):
A black job is anybody that has a job.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
That's what it is.

Speaker 14 (53:14):
Anybody that has all right, and they take they're taking
the employment away from black people. They're coming in, and
they're coming.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
In, they're invading.

Speaker 14 (53:23):
It's an invasion of millions of people. Probably fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen million people. I have a feeling it's much more
than that.

Speaker 12 (53:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Could be eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twenty one, twenty two, and
just keep on counting. Anyway, we got onto the court cases,
particularly the one with Florida. That's the one with will
the paperwork in the toilet.

Speaker 14 (53:40):
I won the case and got very little publicity. I
didn't notice ABC doing any publicity on it.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
George were coming in a lot to move over on.

Speaker 14 (53:48):
I didn't notice you do any publicity on it at all.
I won the case. The biggest case. This is an
attack on a political opponent. I have another one where.

Speaker 13 (53:58):
I have a we have you for a limited time, sir.
I'd love to move on a different No, choose you.

Speaker 14 (54:02):
You're the one that held me up at thirty five
minutes to say.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, it's so, that's sort of the way it went.
I would have thought a Supreme Court case was probably
more important than the Florida case. But then again, that's
just me turn away from its rapist with Bailey's estates talk.
So back to the Middle East, the assassination of the
Hamas leader. Of course, in Iran, the fear grows that

(54:26):
the war was about to go Regional Foreign off his
columnists for The Spectator these days formerly the BBC, of course,
Paul Woods with us Paul Morning. No one's claimed this
haven they.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Well, the Israelis are neither confirming nor denying it. But
who else would it be. In both cases, the strike
in Beirut and the assassination in Tehran. We don't exactly
know what happened in Tehran, but certainly it would be
absurd to think that anybody but the Israelis did this.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
When the Iranians go, do they go big? And what happens? Then?

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Well, this is exactly the quest, isn't it. Israel has
gambled that Iran doesn't want to wider war, but they
could have miscalculated. Certainly, Iran will have to respond, and
I think the Iranian national security has met and the
Iranian Supreme Leader has let it be known through various
officials quoted in various media outlets, that there will be
a response. They from their point of view, they have

(55:20):
to restore to terence, They have to restore their credibility
in the eyes of their allies. This is a humiliation
for them. So you may remember that back in April
there was a presumed Israeli strike on a diplomatic building
in Syria in Damascus, which killed some senior Iranians. Hundreds
of missiles were fired by Iran onto Israeli soil, the

(55:42):
biggest attack, completely unprecedented I think they may have to
go bigger than that. Now, the Iranians are very rational
when they do these things. They are thought to have
telegraphed these missile attacks in April, so the Israelis could
take them down. We may see, if the region is lucky,
it'll something like that.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Again, how strich does nittnyahuo domestically at the moment on
all these fronts, given what's happened with the original war
end Gaza and all the pressure he's under internationally.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Well, the cynics would say, and the cynics being his
critics abroad and his opponents at home, that he needs
this ongoing conflict. He need ongoing conflicts of some kind.
And one of the things that these two strikes assassinations
do is take a piece deal off the table. Supposedly
they were edging towards a ceasefire deal in Gaza. I

(56:32):
can't imagine HAMS, having lost its political leader, will contemplate
that in the short term. As one Palaestinian official said,
the Allys have just killed the person they were negotiating
with ultimately, and that the Senates would say that helps
mister Netanyahu, as you say, is under pressure and all
sorts of fronts.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
But that's the difficulty. I mean, if you believe that rhytoric,
I mean, what was the river going to I mean, yes,
they've been talking for months, and yes they keep going
back to Egypt, and yes there's lots of people around
the table, But I mean, was the river? Is the
river going to be a peace deal?

Speaker 4 (57:03):
It's very hard to imagine. But if you go by President,
although we're in you know, more Jews were killed on
one day on October seventh, and since the Holocaust, the
death toll for the Palestinians is shockingly high, perhaps one
and a half getting on for two percent of the
population of Gaza. So it's very hard to see how
things can end, but they always have ended in the past.

(57:23):
These Raelis have a terribly a terribly vivid phrase, it's
cutting the grass in Gaza, and they've been doing that,
but just on a much larger scale. At some point,
the diplomatic pressure for the Americans on these railiers will
become too great to resist. At some point, larger than
military objectives will have been achieved. They're not going to

(57:45):
destroy her mass, but they could degrade her mass sufficiently
to claim victory. And then they will need a deal
to bring the hostages home. It's a question really of
when all sides exhausted and has there been a regional
a wider war provoked in the meantime, And that's the
dangerous point are right now?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
It was a great pleasure Paul Paul Wood, who's the
foreign affairs columnist for the Spectator. Of course, so whether
it's this morning out of London still to come on
the program, are we Gavin Gray after eight thirty Southport
to deal with Hugh Edwards who doesn't seem to have
got any sort of coverage. Hugh Edwards. You'll know the
name if you've ever watched the BBC. Hugh Edwards was
the pre eminent newsreader for the BBC. He covered it all,

(58:23):
he did everything, he went everywhere, and then last year
all of a sudden started to implode and this personal
life of his appeared to be problematic. There's a debate
as to how the BBC handled it, Why they kept
paying him such a large salary for such a sustained
period of time while the investigations went on. And then
it culminates this morning in a guilty plea. And so

(58:46):
the fall from grace is complete. So between Southport and
Hugh Edwards, there's plenty going on in that particular part
of the world, as well as Gavin Gray who reflect
on that. But in a couple of moments you'll like this,
Samuel Whitelock retired. Now that the most capped all black
of all time. Next after the.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
News, your trusted source for news and fews, the Mike
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Speaker 3 (59:15):
This the my life.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Here seventy post State to Samuel Whitelock story one of legend.
The farming family who contributed all Blacks through several generations
turned out to be the most captive all time. Of course,
one hundred and fifty three of them ended up a
two time World Cup winner and World Rugby Player of
the Year. And of course Captain just ended his career
in France with Poe final ever. Actual game was for
the bar Bars the other day against Fiji. Now the

(59:40):
whole story, the autobiography view from the second row. Samuel
Whitelock is with us from Greece. Very good morning, good morning. Right,
let me before I start talking about you, talk about
somebody else, Scott Robertson, who writes a very very nice
forward in the book about you. Your observations of Scott
so far as an all black coach, and what you

(01:00:00):
make of the man and the magic he's brought to
you and other players.

Speaker 9 (01:00:06):
Yeah, Race has been been awesome for myself and not
only myself, actually all three for a sorry, all three
brothers of mine. And that's one of the reasons we
want him to write the foreword of my book, because
he has a great relationship, not just with myself but
the whole family. Know it's mom and dad really well
a grandparents, cousins, uncles, aunties, so he probably understands us

(01:00:30):
best in the social side, but also the coaching studies
had all of us there and from what I've seen
so far, and I've seen the three games that he's
been in charge, they's got the job done and that's
the main thing. He'll be out there to win the
first couple and get settled into the new role that

(01:00:51):
he has, and all the other coaches and players that
he's feeling exact the same. So it's pretty different. Yeah,
another side of the world with thirty five degrees watching
game Rugby recommends there, especially at first one underneath and
that looked pretty cold. So it's a different feeling for
myself at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, we should explain that you're sitting talking to us
from Greece. You are retired as you sit on your
balcony this morning. Do you feel complete and content?

Speaker 9 (01:01:20):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:01:20):
And no?

Speaker 9 (01:01:21):
I think you always did that part of me. It'll
say one more and you know, if that phone d ring,
I'd jump at it pretty quickly, I think. But at
the same time, here was my family sitting on balcony
looking out at Albania, sitting in the Greek island thirty
five degrees today and I'm sweating as it is in
It's eight o'clock at night. So it's a pretty hard

(01:01:41):
thing to go past.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
How did this all come about? How was Is there
a moment or is it a series of moments where
you go this is it?

Speaker 11 (01:01:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:01:56):
Yeah, there's a couple of times where I kind of thought,
you know, I've got to end it at some stage
otherwise someone will for me being a coach, saying hey, look,
we're not going to slip to all this. There's no
contract going forward and we had an opportunity to fly
over the start of the world and play in France
with my little brother and really enjoying my time at

(01:02:16):
the club. But I just got to a stage where
I thought, I've got to be sensible here. I could
go another season still feel like I'm playing pretty good rugby.
I just thought, hey, it's time to actually prioritize the
family and not rugby and look forward to the mixed
chapter of life. And we know that rugby is going
to be a part of it, but what that looks

(01:02:38):
like is exactly was still working out. So we're just
trying to take a bit of time at the moment,
and we thought we'd enjoy some of the summer over
here rather than race back to the cold southerly that
a he has gone up the country.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
So this era that you're in at the moment, this
unknown aspect of it, is it exhilarating or concerning.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Or what.

Speaker 9 (01:03:01):
It's part of everything? It's new and different. We are
moving back to Hawk's Bay to our familyre so we
know what ninety percent of the time is going to
look like. We're going to be starting the real world,
the hard world, So it's going to be heaps of
things to do and things to keep my teeth stuck into.

(01:03:21):
But at the same time, it's going to be completely
different to playing professional rugby and serving around the world
and staying at these splash hotels and playing in front
of sold out crowds. So it's going to be challenging
and different and there's a whole lot of different emotions
that go with it. The excitement, but the nerves. One
can imagine changing jobs and changing we are living. Obviously,

(01:03:44):
the support networth is one thing. But the best thing
about rugby is no matter where you go, you've always
got great mates that are there somewhere and they'll look
after if need be good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Hey, listen, hold on a couple of mons, Mike, we'll
come back with more. Shorty Samuel Whitelocke. The book is
from the view from the second row. More shortly twelve past.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Eight the Mike Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
He was talking a bit quarter past state. Samuel Whitelock
out of Greece in retirement these days. Listen, listen just
quickly back to Scott Robson. He talks a lot about
you've referenced that you know your family, the tradition and
all the rural community. Do you think, given that you're
part of it, how it shaped you? But if you
think that you know that tradition between the All Blacks
and the magic of the key we combination of rural
New Zealand and tight family, the all Blacks connection, do

(01:04:28):
you reckon that served you exceedingly well.

Speaker 9 (01:04:31):
Yeah, there was one thing that I had to kind
of open up about a little bit more in the book.
And Dylan Cleaver, who helped write it, or he wrote
and I did the interviews, he was outstanding. He did
his homework and understood that their farming runs through our family.
I think all my aunts and uncles are farmies, but

(01:04:53):
then also understood the rugby side of it. Rugby has
always been side and side with farming. So he went
through and around My uncle was an All Black, to
talk about my grandfather that was an All Black, my
brothers that have played for All Blacks to New Zealand
and seven talked around what it's like growing up as
a farming, mad, rugby mad household, four boys, no sisters.

(01:05:15):
How it was pretty rough at times, and it was
because we were probably a little bit naughty. But I
think that's why I decided to end up writing it
in the end because at the start I wasn't too
keeen and said no a couple of times. But as
actually Wayne Smith said to me, what are you going
to get to your grandkids when you know your stories

(01:05:36):
faded a little bit? But you can give them this
hard copy and say, hey, this is what granddad did,
hopefully in time and say this was part of our
life that was pretty amazing. But it's not only my
sworitch for the family story.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Now, what's your observation on families and excellence? Like the Barretts,
if you are born into a family, can you achieve
excellent at athletic pursuit if you simply try? Or is
it genetic? Do you reckon?

Speaker 9 (01:06:07):
I think there's a genetic part of it. Obviously, if
you want to be a basketball player and your five
feet tall potent, you might be a bit tricky. But
I think family, and this is my experience with our family.
It's the standards that you keep at home, and whether
that's making your bed in the morning, whether that's fameing
the door for a grandmother to walk through first. Those

(01:06:29):
little things, those subconscious things, they shine out when you're
under pressure. On a football field, and I think that's
ninety percent of it, is the family you're born into.
But at the same time, it's not just family. It's
also your five or six pass mates. And I know
for myself, I talk about it in the book A
little bit. I got into a bit of trouble at school,

(01:06:52):
but then fell in love with basketball, and the five
guys that were playing basketball were awesome guys, and they
helped me get out of that little bit of trouble
and fell in love with another game, and it definitely
helped me down the rugby pathway a few years later.
So family is definitely part of it, Jimmyricks is another
part that your five vis makes is definitely here in

(01:07:13):
my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I wonder also, I think about your career because I
followed the whole thing, But I wonder if you came
along you were lucky, you came along at the right
time in the sense that rugby has transformed itself in
the most remarkable way during your career, whether it be professionalism,
the money, the opportunities, the health, the fitness, the dietary requirements.
I mean, it's a different game from when your dad

(01:07:35):
or granddad played.

Speaker 9 (01:07:37):
Yeah, it's completely there. Even sitting with some of the
young guys the last couple of years and an old
game comes on and looking at the scrum, the scrum's
completely different now and they all ask and oh, you
used to play there, and you know you joke here
and you know I missed Jonah Bye. I think it
was one or two seasons and anyone goes, oh, you're
really old now, and yeah, a few grave here is

(01:07:59):
coming in slowly, but it just shows it's always evolving,
it's always growing. And I think that's the best thing
about sport in general. People always trying new things. And
I think of the Kiwi way, the number eight. Why
we're always coming up with a new idea of doing
something different, And I think that's the cool thing to

(01:08:19):
be a part of. And I think you nailed it.
I've had an outstanding introduction to the sport. The guys
that set me up, the brand thorns of the world,
just passed on all their knowledge and said, hey, look
this is what I did, this what worked for me.
If you want to take it, great if you don't,
let school as well, And I just grab it with

(01:08:40):
two hands and just try to keep the nose clean
and get stuck in and it's amazing hatickally your regul
career finishes now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Actually, there's a very nice piece of advice in the
book from you to current players, because you say you
talk more about players who are pasted as opposed to
players who are current because you don't want to talk
them up too much. But what a wonderful piece of advice.
It's over before you realize, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:07):
Yeah, it has been. I remember sitting there talking to
the brad Thorns of the world, and Dawning was a
massive influence on me. But like he had four kids,
I was twenty one, payingful all blacks, playing alongside them
with a whole other all black locks, and he keep
grumming it into Owen Franks myself saying, look, you guys

(01:09:28):
can play teen plus years if you want, but it
will go so quick. Enjoy the whole journey. And it's
actually something that I'm reinforcing insane people now because it
honestly feels like I've blinked and my whole career is done.
Doesn't mean that Rugy's finished. It means it's just going
to look different, whether it's some coaching stuff, some mentoring,

(01:09:48):
or even just being a total fan. And that's what
we're enjoying at the moment, tuning in early in the
morning over here and doing what we used to do
as kids. And my kids are doing the same now
for they're getting up and watching some of these awesome
players out there and compete against some other teams around
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Good stuff. Well, we've enjoyed it. I hope you've enjoyed it.
The book's fantastic. Lovely to catch up with you and
have the best time in Greece.

Speaker 9 (01:10:12):
Thanks Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Samuel Whitelock view from the second row. Dad's Day gift
or is that two sexus these days? Could be for anybody?
But neither is just a thought. I was just thinking
Dad's Day Gift. I anyway, that book is out as
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dot co dot zsky Mike. After listening to Sam Whitelock.
I went and quickly made my bed. There's a lovely
message in that, isn't there That It's the way you
treat people, It's the way you raised, it's all of that.
It comes to pass over a period of time. By
the way, I congratulated Brimworth earlier on with their two
million dollar campaign to promote wool can I also pass

(01:11:58):
on my terrific thanks and good wishes to Toy World
No less. Toy World are returning to Rota Rua the
city center after eleven years away, and in these dire
and difficult economic times, for a bricks and mortar to
leave and then eleven years later come back, it's an
opportunity to quote unquote make Rota Ruer great again. So

(01:12:19):
they're back as of tomorrow, new premises CBD. So there's
a whole bunch of good stuff going on. And wrote
a ruin. Isn't it amazing? What of just a little
change of attitude and the odd policy around motels brings
to a town Mike, where can we get that country
song of yours was bloody good? Murray, you're right, you
can get it right here. This came out. If you're

(01:12:43):
missing in the latter part of the show yesterday, one
of the listeners using Generative AI has created this and
I haven't had time to go to Spotify this morning,
but I'm assuming it's number one, lad distance.

Speaker 16 (01:13:01):
Are you sure it's generative AI and not Degenerative AI.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
You still don't like it? I think it's scott and
worm quality to it.

Speaker 21 (01:13:11):
It definitely sounds like it's full of steak something maybe worms.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Tomorrow after eighties we'll do a whole.

Speaker 12 (01:13:20):
I'm sure I'm not going to be able to find
this tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
It's got a very short race s date on it.
Don't don't talk over around recording this to my stick.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
My speed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
B Mike Toy Worlds just reopened fung Ray two after
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very very encouraging. Hayden whild By the way the big
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Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
In the UK hot seat today, Gavin Gray, Gavin, very
good morning to you. Hi, don't Mike just explain to us.
I mean Southport. We all know what happened the original attack,
but it exploded. You got any number of officers in jured,
you got people in the hospital, you got the police dogged.
What the hell happened?

Speaker 20 (01:14:44):
Yeah? Well, there were rumors on social media that the
teenager who was being the main suspect being questioned by
police was an illegal migrant. Now we know his parents
were from Rwanda, but he was actually born in the
UK and Cardiff and then moved to the northwest of
England early in his life. And this information the authorities
misinformation tried to stamp on, but lots of far right

(01:15:07):
people said, right, we've got to crack down on these illegals.
They immediately went to a mosque in Southport began to
throw bricks at it, even though they were told this
has got nothing to do with that mosc or indeed
a terrorist attack or anything like that. There was a
bit of a social media call to arms, as it were,
I suspect on the far right, and there were people

(01:15:28):
not just from Southport or that area, but actually from
a quite wide area in the UK. Now, I have
to tell you Southport tonight is actually tense but quite quiet. However, Mike,
believe it or not, there's almost a semi right now
outside Downing Street where more people, it would appear from
the right wing English Defense League supporters are said to

(01:15:48):
be protesting there. They are very angry at the government
not doing enough to stop the small boats, and they
are questioning the police saying this has nothing to do
with any asylum seeking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Do we have any sense of the motive yet for
the seventeen year old No, And that's.

Speaker 20 (01:16:04):
Going to be absolutely key to I think quelling some
of these rumors, and that is why some are getting
a little bit critical of the police, saying, look, we
really need some more information. But of course, by law,
the suspect is under age so we're not going to
be told his name. He's entitled to anonymity in this
country and until it actually, if it actually goes to court,

(01:16:27):
you know, we won't know very much at all about it.
But I think it's this Social media has absolutely burnt
like wildfire about the origin of that attack and it's
led to these rats.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
How in general terms, Gevin and you go back to
Leeds a couple I can't remember, it was a couple
of weeks ago, whatever it was. How igy is Britain.

Speaker 20 (01:16:46):
Well, I wouldn't have said it was edgy much, but
I have to say, you're in the middle of a
heat wave here. It's just before ten at nine, it's
probably still twenty six twenty seven celsius and that always
does tend I know from my contacts in the police,
they always say, you know that he is always sets
people off a little bit. But I didn't think it
was too bad. However, there is this massive concern which

(01:17:09):
I don't hak any single politician of the main parties
as really grasp how serious people feel about this, and
that is migration and the numbers coming into this country,
particularly of those that we don't know anything about, and
this I think is at the heart of this particular issue.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Then we come to hewidwould sow. The fall from Grice
I suppose.

Speaker 20 (01:17:30):
Is complete, Yes, very much so. Today Hugh Edwards had
pleaded guilty to effectively some very very serious offenses. He
pleaded guilty to three counts of making indecent images of children.
He accessed in decent images of children as young as
seven on WhatsApp over a year long period a couple

(01:17:53):
of years back, and police says that they were sent
to him by a convicted pedophile. Now it's slightly misleading
to say he was found guilty of making indecent images
when actually he didn't do anything other than receive and download.
But the definition is there, and he pleaded guilty. We
expect him to be sentenced soon. But plenty of questions

(01:18:13):
here Mike for the BBC, where of course he was
their main news presenter and anchor, saying what did you
know and when and why was he still allowed to
be on staff. They are saying we knew he was
arrested in November, but if he had physically been charged
then he would have been sacked, and he was not
charged until he left in April.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
How would you describe him Kevin given we don't get
him here obviously was he loved and esteemed and this
has been just a complete and utter shock, or now
that we know, do we gar yea well, that was
old human rumors forever.

Speaker 20 (01:18:46):
As an outsider to the BBC, a complete and utter shock.
He was somebody that held the hand of the nation
through the queen's death. He was the one that announced
it to most of the nation on television and also
the king's current nation. He's been the general election host
as well, So you know, this is somebody who's been
huge for the last twenty thirty years now I have

(01:19:09):
presented with you Edwards. He was always very very nice
to me. However, you know there were rumors of a
difficult side to him, somebody that could be, you know,
verging on being very difficult to work with. As I said,
I never found that, but certainly those are one or
two people coming forward now with those.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Allegations as a pleasure might go. Well, we'll catch up
again soon. Devin Gray out of the UK for us
this morning, it's eighteen away from nine.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
The misty racist where.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Is fourteen away from nine?

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
So noo.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
The middle is you've heard this morning from Hayde and Wilder.
Having waited a couple of days, of course, for the
water to improve enough to swim in the river, we
got the triathl and underway and the silver middle is ours.
Hayden Wild's were this morning? Yeah, very well. Indeed have
you pulled up?

Speaker 24 (01:19:52):
Just kind of firing on off adrenaline to the honus
has been Fordy's post race raight first finish line and
straight to media and anti doping and then straight back
to media to the New Zealand house.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
So it's been fulling brilliant. Did you pass your antidoping test?

Speaker 18 (01:20:09):
I hope?

Speaker 24 (01:20:10):
Yeah, Well ideally yes, we'll know. We'll know probably a
week's time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
I love it. How are you feeling about it? All
silver versus gold pulled in at the end. How's that
settled with you psychologically?

Speaker 24 (01:20:23):
Yeah? Hey, I did everything I got out there, and
I don't I don't think I can say I can
die try and gave everything, and yeah, I just want
to say a big thanks to my teammate Dylan. You
know he he came back and helped and put me
in the position I was in, and yeah, I can't
thank him enough for that. The man deserves the keys

(01:20:44):
of New Zealand for you helping me get that that metal.
And yeah, just just did anything I could, you know. Obviously,
I think the heat played a massive role. I felt
like if we raced at the time we meant to
race obviously, you know, with the postpone date, we're not noring,
meant to race ats eight am, But with ten forty

(01:21:04):
five start, it was thirty one degrees, the humidity was up,
and yeah, just I just didn't prepare for the heat
as we didn't really need to. So obviously the curve wall. Yeah,
the leagues paid it a little bit earlier than they expected,
but I was as proud to give it everything and
do everything I possibly could on the day, and yeah,
it just came short. But yeah, a heck of a

(01:21:27):
race and it was It was great to have another
battle with my with my great mate Alex and rival.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
It was what it was, obviously, But do you regret
Are you aggrieved at the way the whole thing was
handled over the days leading up?

Speaker 24 (01:21:42):
I think it was. I think it was handled well.
You know, like we're elite athletes, you know, were where
when we learned to adapt, and like it was just
it's just part and parceler. But you know, we we
knew as athletes leading into this race, and you know
it was going to be where there was contingents.

Speaker 9 (01:22:00):
You plan so meantly.

Speaker 24 (01:22:02):
Everyone was prepared to race different days.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
Sorry, is it a bit of the scene coming out?

Speaker 9 (01:22:11):
Sorry, just had dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
I thought you, I thought you're vomiting up the river.

Speaker 24 (01:22:20):
They've got a bit of a leaf inside my mouth.
And then yeah, like we're early athletes and we have
to adept on days and you know, that is what
it is. I just wasn't prepared for that that heat,
I think, And yeah, it was just super hot and
and I'm just stoked that we actually got to do
a trithlon is. The last thing that all the athletes

(01:22:41):
wanted was to do it a jew f one, which
is a run bike run.

Speaker 7 (01:22:45):
So it was really good.

Speaker 24 (01:22:46):
We got to get it done on the day.

Speaker 7 (01:22:47):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
What if your family had to say for themselves, because
they're there with you, aren't they?

Speaker 9 (01:22:52):
I was.

Speaker 24 (01:22:52):
It was amazing to have them here. You know, you know,
I gave them an early Christmas present shout them over
to Paris. It was I never they never get that opportunity.
As we come from a pretty small family, and it's yeah,
it's always it's always hard for my parents to come
over as it was work and everything. So it was

(01:23:12):
really nice to get them a little gift to support
them a little bit to get over and and and
watch me race. And yeah, it was so it was
just so awesome to have everyone there and my coaches,
my my family and my team. So it was just
it was a special It was a special day.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Brilliant. So the trender's bronze this time silber, next time goal?
Is that how it plays out?

Speaker 9 (01:23:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:23:34):
I guess I didn't really ideally, you know, I wanted
to go straight to go with it and finish my
Olympic season career. But it looks like I have to
go to LA and get the trio.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
I'm sure you will go well mate, listen, appreciate it
very much. Hayden whild who was It's what would have
been at ten o'clock at night at least in Paris
at the moment good he could just be the time
to have a word with us this morning, silver medal
ten minutes away from nine.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
With the range rover, THELA news to end a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Of good feedback and Rightley, so what a true champion.
Mike Hayden's been a classic from the start to finish.
I'm English, but he's an amazing guy and take my
hat off to a sportsmanship. Yeah, there seems to be
a lot of good will around that sport, doesn't there.
Just before we leave Frants, by the way, if he
hadn't caught up with it, that big dinner that Macron
put on for the King and Queen of England last September,
of the bills come out and there's a little bit

(01:24:23):
of consternation there because the Elise Palace, which is where
all this stuff is held, is overspending. They've got no
idea of a budget. So he does all his Macron
This is diplomatic, presidential duties, ADMIN, personal security, et cetera,
et cetera. Anyway, there are a couple of hundred million
dollars in the hole, but that's partially, at least in
part because they spent almost a million dollars on dinner

(01:24:44):
for King Charles and his wife. Seems incredible, is it?
Nine hundred and sixteen thousand dollars for dinner? And you think,
how's that possible? Eight hundred and seventy four hundred and
ninety four, of which the catering bill was three hundred
and two tho forty five ships. That tends to run
at the tab. I don't know if you've ever hired
forty five chefs all at one time, imagine the yelling

(01:25:05):
one hundred percent. They tend to be a bit expensive.
Took three months of planning that particular menu. What did
they actually serve? Well, some potted crab and blue lobster
with a fresh almond sail consisting of an almond and
saki pannacotta, topped with a creamy crab cake and lobster
sipicon which is fine. I don't know, hundreds of thousands

(01:25:26):
of dollars worth of stuff though seasoned with a with
a mint gell and cold white butter sauce flavored also
flavored by the way, with p ssarki and almond maines.
They had some chicken poach chicken. It says here posts
brass chicken, which is just French. It's a breast of chicken.
You buy that at KFC. For goodness sake marinated in champagne,
roasted with corn extraction and porcini cratan. Then for dessert

(01:25:51):
only a three courser they had cheese at the end,
so maybe technically a four courser for dessert, a compote
of cooked and raw raspberries. I would have liked that,
a light chiin rose saw bay and a raspberry saw
bay on a very thin disc of mahron, probably named
after himself. You see, it's a little nacron drizzled with
raspberry Cooley. And then for the cheese they had a

(01:26:13):
bunch of stilton and other age stuff. They had a
big bottle of wine. I read the one I can't
remember what it was, a mooton Rothschild, that's what it was.
It was two thousand and four Mooton Rothschild. Mooton Rothschild
is each year Mouton Rothschild to famous Bordeaux changed the
label of the wine, and the label on the wine
is produced by a famous person and it's a piece
of art. And the person who produced the piece of

(01:26:34):
art for the two thousand and four mooton Rothschild was
King Charles. So they said a little bit of his wine,
which was nice. Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 11 (01:26:42):
Trending now with chemist Warse, stop paying too much like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
So Trump, as we've showed you this morning, went to
the National Association of Black Journalists it. I'm sure he
said it was fantastic. He said, Karmela turned black and
that's probably not gone particularly well for him. And then
we talked about the GM and six rioters who assaulted
the police. What's going to happen?

Speaker 9 (01:27:04):
Oh, absolutely, I would.

Speaker 14 (01:27:06):
If they're innocent, I would pardon them.

Speaker 24 (01:27:08):
They've been convicted, by the way, the.

Speaker 14 (01:27:09):
Supreme Court just under well, they were convicted by a
very very tough system.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
So after all of that, so it's sort of going
off on the socials. As you can imagine, this is
where Jesse Waters comes in from Fox. So he's trying
to mop it up.

Speaker 25 (01:27:27):
To be a man and then vote for a woman
just because she's a woman. Is either childish, that person
has mommy issues, or they're just trying to be accepted
by other women. And I heard the scientists say the
other day that when a man votes for a woman,
he actually transitions into a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
To be fair to Jesse, So I'm reading the writing
why do you want to be fit? Because I'm reading
the writings this morning and in this news cycle. Of course,
as you can imagine, the writings have gone through the
roof for the news channels, but no one has been
more successful in this news cycle than Fox, and the
top of the Fox pile is now Jesse Waters, who

(01:28:10):
has three times the audience of his nearest competitors at CNN.
So he's pulling down in excess of four million people
a night and CNN can't even crack one million.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
To the scientists anyway, Yes, so whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
You want about Jesse, but he's got the crowd.

Speaker 12 (01:28:31):
On his side.

Speaker 22 (01:28:32):
There's us back.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Tomorrow morning from six as always Happy

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
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