Full Show Podcast: 10 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tough on power, Sharp on Insight, Heather Duplicy Allen on
the Mike asking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life
Your Way, News, Toms Head.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Bod Morning and welcome, coming up to the coming up
on the show today, the RMA. We've got the details out,
do we like it? Is it what we hope? Or
Mike's use the boss at contact will tell us how
much easy it's going to make building electricity generation? And
then Chris Bishop on how much time we're going to
spend in court testing this new law. We'll get you
across the landmark win with the Supreme Court backing disabled

(00:29):
family cares as homeworkers. Also tell you about our first
Stone Skimming Championship. Steve Price does Australia, Richard Arnold does
the US, and Jinny and Mark do politics Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Heather Dupericy Allen, all.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right, cast your mind back a couple of weeks to
what Roger Gray, the boss of Auckland Port, said, New
Zealand is a country that says no so often that
Miami Cruz bosses he spoke to had taken to calling
us no Zealand. And yesterday the government unveiled its plan
for how we stop that, how we stop saying no
to everything. It's a rewriter of the RM, because the
RMA is part of the which has turned no into

(01:01):
an art form in this country. No to your deck,
no to that road, No to you putting a door
on the side of your house rather than at the
front of the house. We are a country the size
of Japan geographically, yet we have twelve hundred planning zones,
each with its own unique, bespoke set of rules, while
Japan has thirteen zones. So Chris Bishop's proposal is to
take that twelve hundred, drop it down to seventeen, still

(01:22):
more than Japan, but it's about a seven thousand percent reduction,
So you know you'll take that. So prolific and ridiculous.
Of the stories that we can tell each one of
us about our encounters with the RMA, that I think
that you would struggle to find anyone who opposes changed.
The trouble has always been agreeing to what that change
looks like, and that is no different this time around.
This reform RM is welcome, it's overdue, it's brave, It

(01:45):
is almost certainly going to help the country grow, But
mark my words, it will create all kinds of political
problems because look at the case of Auckland and Wellington.
Both cities need to build more houses inside the city
centers right densify. But the minute the rules changed to
make that a reality, the nimbi start complaining. And that
is exactly what's going to happen with the RAMA, because sure,

(02:06):
your property rights are being strengthened so that you can
do whatever you want on your property, but the same
goes for your neighbour, which means that if he wants
to build that big whatever that you're going to have
to look at, you might not be able to say
no to that anymore. None of us want to lose
our viees. None of us want to have a road
running it right next to us. None of us want
the infrastructure development to kill the precious indigenous snail. But
all of those things might happen now more easily because

(02:29):
we're all losing some of our ability to say no.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I think that is a good thing. There has been
too much no, clearly no Zealand, but saying yes, we'll
take some. Getting used to.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
News of the world in ninety seconds right Well, in.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
The UK, the throat booming gang inquiry has a new
chair and the government is doing its best to sprook
that it's back on track.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
They were seen by many parts of society ALA is
essentially white trash, that these girls were somehow not manly children,
that they were at making decisions as if they were
in control of their lives, that they were not victims
of coercion and serious abuse. That is why I think
this process is so essential.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Now are reporting to that I five agent code named
stake Knife, who murdered for the IRA, has revealed that
five actually helped the double agent escape justice in Ireland
wants an apology.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
You've had previous apologies. David Cameron's comes to mind with
regards to belief Sunday there was ongoing legal matters. We
all know there's always ongoing legal matters. This is Northern Ireland.
Just do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
The report and the investigation cost ninety mili and it
lasted nine years.

Speaker 7 (03:34):
Serving police officers so operation canover reports and serving members
of the armed forces were colluding with those who were
murdering people a very large number of people.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Kimmy Bednock is trying to push her leadership credentials despite
terrible polling. Previous oppositions have been eighteen years, thirteen years,
fourteen years. I've been doing this job for twelve months.
There is plenty of work to do, but I'm up
for the fight. As every economist and his dog points
to an affordability crisis in the US, Trump reckons lower
petrol prices, which analysts say he hasn't affected, is actually

(04:11):
proof that the economy is trending in the right direction.

Speaker 8 (04:13):
If you think it gasoline a gallon, they had it
at four dollars and fifty cents, almost five dollars. You
go to some of the states, he edited at six dollars.
We hit three states two days ago, one dollar and
ninety nine cent a gown.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
We've got new breakthrough leukemia treatment.

Speaker 9 (04:31):
It edited the single basis within the genes of these
cells to make them target this specific type of leukemia.
And this was no simple task. This type of leukemia
comes from the T cells too, so they very cleverly
had to edit these genes.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
And finally, Seattle has made just a little bit of
a faux pa as part of the FIFA World Cup,
Seattle's hosting an lgbt Q plus pride match. Problem with
the matches. The two teams playing in the Pride Match
are Egypt and Iran. Now, just to refresh your memory,
one of those countries in prisons gay people, while the
other has the death penalty on the cards if you're gay.

(05:09):
So they're rightfully coppying a little bit of flak for
that particular decision. You can see. Let's news of the
world in ninety seconds. Now over in Australia, been keeping
you abreast of what's going on with the big spending
Sports Minister Annika Wells gets worse. She has been revealed.
It has now been revealed that she left a government
limo waiting for nearly ten hours while she attended the

(05:31):
twenty twenty two NURL and NRLW Grand Finals, costing taxpayers
more than twelve hundred dollars. Now, if you're like here
that you told us about this yesterday. Yeah, Now what
I told you was she kept a limo waiting at
the Aussie Open for something like seven hours, costing nearly
one thousand dollars. I don't know, twelve hundred dollars for
ten hours, one thousand dollars for seven hours. It's all

(05:53):
getting worse, isn't it. And this is on top of
the thousands of dollars in flights that the taxpayers had
to spring for her husband to go to various other
fun of ever with her very big trouble that she's in,
although the predictions are that Elbow will stick with her
because apparently he would rather sandpaper his shins than have
to admit that he's made the bad call putting her
in the job. Thirteen past six.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
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Speaker 2 (06:22):
If you've been following what's going on with Paramount Netflix,
Warner Brothers, that whole lot, you will have seen that
Donald Trump has weighed into this. Now, so we'll have
a chat to Richard Arnold with us just after half
past run us through those details. Sixteen past six Andrew
Keller a sure and Partners is with us now morning,
Andrew Morning, Heather Westpax, end of the party for all
of us?

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Is it?

Speaker 10 (06:42):
Well, there's something going on here head. It's not really
been picked up much in sort of I suppose, the
mainstream media, but pretty significant stuff going on in the
wholesale interest rate markets at the moment. And this is
particularly in the last couple of weeks since the sort
of late November RB and Z Montreal policy statement, the
official cash rate review. Now, while the official cash rate

(07:05):
might have been sort of dropped by twenty five basis points,
the reaction that we've seen in wholesale markets has been
pretty swift. It's been pretty severe, and it's been in
completely the opposite direction because since that meeting, wholesale interest
rates have absolutely rocketed higher. And this was reflected yesterday
on the local front with Westpac Museum raising some of

(07:28):
its local fixed rate retail mortgages. So I'll try and
illustrate this for you. Have the two year swap rates,
what we call that, that's a wholesale rate, sort of
a benchmark rate. Go back to October, we saw that
rate four to two point four to four I think
that was the low. Since then, it's been one way traffic,
and it's really accelerated after that Mountreal policy statement. Now

(07:50):
over three percent three point six I think it got
to yesterday. That is a big move in wholesale markets.
But if I look at a slightly longer rate, the
five year swap rate, for instance, and that is very
much a benchmark rate. It's even more pronounced again, I
go back to October two point ninety two and you
sort of think about, well, where would a wholesale fixed
rate mortgage rate be if that rate was at two

(08:12):
point nine two yesterday, Heather, at one stage it had
three point seven percent. Now that's pretty much an eighty
basis point move. You know, if you were if you were,
if you were a person that liked rounding things up,
you'd go that's almost one percent. Again, that's a big
move in a normally stable and quiet market. So clearly
the wholesale markets have been rattled by and have reacted

(08:32):
quite strongly to the RBNZ, effectively watering down any talk
of possible further interest rate easings. And it looks and
this is I am now speculating, Heather, I'm going to
do a little bit of speculation. It looks like the
hot money, like the overseas hedge funds, they've been positioned
for lower rates, and the MPs, the Monty Pols statements
reduced their confidence in a lower interest rate environment looking forward.

(08:56):
So the thing is where this the rubber hits the
road on this, Heather, it looks alms like fixed rate
mortgages will become potentially more expensive, that of course will
dull the impact on household budgets from from sort of
fixing refixing mortgage rates and presents a real conundrum for
the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. And remember they don't
talk about any of this now until February, so at

(09:19):
tricky times for the rbn Z.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Not quite sure.

Speaker 10 (09:21):
I mean they've tried to leave a clean state for
the for the new governor coming in, but they're going
to have some issues when then readdress this in February.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, absolutely. Now what did you make of the RBA
decision yesterday?

Speaker 10 (09:34):
Yeah, so this is quite interesting because while we contemplate
the wholesale smashing of interest rates here in New Zealand,
the RBA yesterday reviewed the cash rate across the Tasman
Now they held rate steady at three point six percent,
which is quite a bit higher than the OCI here
in New Zealand. Remember we're at two and a quarter.
The outcome was widely expected. But the issue here now
there's a fairly widely held school of thought that the

(09:54):
next move by the RBA will be up now. The
RBA cited the need to assess the persistem inflationment pressures.
They're very much awake the se mode. The thing is
here head it. So you had the statement that came out,
and then Governor Michelle Bullock fronts up to a press
conference that was arguably more hawkish than the statement might
have suggested, and the governor seemingly ruling out any interest

(10:15):
rate cuts.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
In twenty twenty six, highlighted.

Speaker 10 (10:18):
That the committed discussion was well, it was basically about
staying on hold for a period of time or the
possibility of higher interest rates. So a third straight meeting
at three point six percent. Next move will depend on
how data unfolds. And the thing I say here head
is that creates uncertainty. And as I always say, uncertainty
is kryptonite to financial markets.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
They hate it.

Speaker 10 (10:39):
So lots of stuff going on, great day, fascinating day.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yesterday totally it was all right, give us the numbers.

Speaker 10 (10:45):
Oh well, the US markets are actually in positive territory.
So the Dow Jones is up forty one points forty
seven hundred and seventy six, the S and P five
hundred up about a quarter percent, six eight sixty two
the mark there, and the Nasdaq is up point one
seven percent twenty three thousand, five hundred and eighty five
overnight fortswer one hundred down small three points ninety six,

(11:07):
four to two. The NICK gained point one four percent,
so a small move higher five oh sixty five. The
Shanghai composite small move lower, fell point three seven percent
thirty nine oh nine. The A six two hundred yesterday
fell point four five percent eight five eighty five, and
ens next fifty We were down just under quarter percent
point two three thirty one thousand, four hundred and fifty five.

(11:29):
Kiwi dollar keeps edging higher against the US point five
seven ninety two, now getting closer to fifty eight cents
against the ossie point eight seven oh four point four
nine seven six euro point four to three four nine
against the pound nineteen point eighty four. Japanese end gold
is trading just over four thousand, two hundred dollars, and
Brent crude edging down a little bit sixty one dollars

(11:50):
and eighty nine cents.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Good stuff, Andrew, Thank you, Andrew, kellaher enjoy your morning,
Shaw and partners. Listen just on what Andrew was saying
about the Reserve Bank not speaking again until February. Correct
me if I'm wrong, but I think the new Reserve
Bank Governor Anna Bremen is having a breakfast with media
today and I think this might present an opportunity for
her to set the record straight and just get her
word in there so she can possibly stop this potential

(12:13):
rise on the wholesale markets if she wants to. That
is my understanding of the situation. Six twenty two The.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
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Speaker 11 (12:24):
At b.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Westpac. Right, so pushed up the fixed mortgage is this
is anything from two to five years that you want
to get up by thirty basis points, which is quite hefty.
So sue Tierney the mortgage brokers with us after half
past Heather, you must be stoked that the RMA has
been replaced. I remember when you were on the radio
in Wellington years ago and you were renovating your home
and you had a problem with the w Wellington City
Council over a window in the bathroom. Baz, thank you

(12:48):
for remembering, but that was actually the Building Act. So
I mean there's there is problems, and that was that
the window. You know, they were worried you could fall
through the window, so you had to have like safety glass.
But in order to fall through that particular window, which
was high, you'd sort of have to come like you'd
have to come at the window with a kind of
like a running jump. Do you know what a mater like?
That's a massive slip up into the air into the window.

(13:10):
So it always struck me as ridiculous, but that was
the building act. However, I like everyone, have my own
RMA story, which we'll get to when I get a chance.
Twenty five past six.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
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Speaker 2 (13:24):
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original Marvel movie, fans thought that he'd be the next
Hollywood ticket right, the hot thing, But apart from a
supporting Rolin Barbie, he's actually barely been sighted or been
the star of another film, which is possibly why fans
are getting really excited for his new show, causing the
trailer to go viral. It's called Copenhagen Test about a
spy whose brain has been hacked so the hackers can

(13:45):
see and hear everything that he does.

Speaker 12 (13:47):
Our intel chain is compromised.

Speaker 9 (13:49):
How long have you willingly been committing trees and against
the United States?

Speaker 12 (13:54):
Government.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
What here them all?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Alexander, Someone's been watching and listening through you.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
You're telling me it's real.

Speaker 12 (14:04):
That's a while by signal streaming from your head.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
You were hucked.

Speaker 13 (14:09):
We can either attempt to remove what's in your brain
or we keep the hack opening round.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah that.

Speaker 12 (14:16):
No matter what anybody says, I did not betray this country.

Speaker 14 (14:21):
We either save the mission or save his life.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Are you in?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
So it's stars Simuliu and Melissa Barrera and it's out
on December twenty seven, And bear with me here because
it is a Peacock original. It means it will also
come to Paramount Plus because of their deal, which means
it will also come to Neon eventually, which is in
New Zealand because the Skies deal with Paramount. It's simple,
So Neon that's where you can watch it. Anyway, Let's

(14:54):
deal with the mortgage rates with Westpac. Next News talk s'b.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Opinionated, informed, unapologetic.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Heather dup c Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Defender embraced the impossible news tons dea'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Morning, Heather, what do you know of Kiwi Rail selling
forty six trains to South Africa. I've seen reports of
forty six trains for three point four billion rand. Not
a single murmur of this by New Zealand media as
it's the start of the asset sales. Nathan, No, I don't.
I don't think, Simon, I don't. I don't think locomotives
would class as yet really would be classes the asset sales.
But you're right. South Africa media are roundly reporting the

(15:39):
fact that we're selling about forty six diesel electric locomotives
Kibi railers to South Africa. It sounds like that it's
our secondhand ones. We're replacing the diesel electric locomotives, so
we don't need it. And yeah, three point four billion
dollars a round, Rather it's three hundred and forty million
New Zealand dollars. So not bad money, is it? Twenty
two away from seven? I know a lot of big

(16:01):
banks has broken the trend, and well the downward trend anyway,
now lifted its mortgage rates and by quite a decent amount.
Westpac has announced a thirty basis point increase to its
year fixed rates of two to five years. Sue Tierney
as a mortgage broker with Sue tourny mortgages and is
with us morning, Sue, Good morning Heather. Do you expect
the others to do the same?

Speaker 15 (16:23):
I absolutely west Pack has been leading the way with
their five year rate anyway, so I don't imagine that
they'll change their five year rates because the other banks
have been higher, but I certainly expect it for the two,
three and four year rates.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Does that mean, Sue, then, for anybody you know, at
least with Westpac now and anybody else who hasn't yet
managed to come off their rate and fix at the
low rates, they've kind of missed that party.

Speaker 15 (16:47):
Not necessarily because it is possible to break the rate,
of course, And as we saw earlier in the year,
Westpac was offering a five point four point nine nine
rate for five years for a short while. The banks
didn't come to the party, so they dropped it, but
then again in October they brought it back. So in
the more good rate world, anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Now, is there a chance? I mean, it's been pointed
out by Andrew Taller who was on earlier that the
Reserve Bank is itself not going to talk about the
stuff until February, so we might be stuck with this
happening with the wholesale rates for another couple of months,
is it possible that the Reserve Bank governor the new one,
if she talks this morning, may be able to undo
what's going on on the wholesale market.

Speaker 15 (17:28):
I believe that's certainly possible because a lot of it
is generated by perception and know what is expected, so
that is quite possible. I think the key to remember here, though,
is that people do have the opportunity to negotiate rates.
So the bank has an advertised rate, but that doesn't
necessarily mean that you need to accept it. And from

(17:52):
my experience, this is really only going to be huge
the people over eighty percent, where it's less negotiable. Anybody
with a funding that is less than eighty percent of
the house value, I wouldn't be panicking so much because
you've certainly got opportunities to negotiate.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
How much are they prepared to move.

Speaker 15 (18:11):
As in the negotiated rate sometimes aero point three percent
of what they're offering right now online or advertised rates,
So if you're seeing five point two nine, it's quite
feasible to still get a four point nine to nine rates.
If so, you've got less and etying.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
What I'm taking from you is suit don't panic.

Speaker 15 (18:33):
Absolutely, it's disappointing just at Christmas time, it really is,
but don't panic. And certainly if your loane doesn't mature
till later next year, I would be doing nothing. I
wouldn't be worrying.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Hey, that's fantastic, adye. Thank you very much. So suit
to you any of mortgage broker with suit to you
any mortgages of course. Listen. Today is the first day
of the social media band in Australia. I woke up
to this news. It's breaking news on the on the BBC.
Can you believe it? Breaking news is world's first band
on social media for under sixteens comes into effect on Australia.
And they sent it out basically at the stroke of

(19:06):
midnight in Australia. And yes, they are live blogging it
as the day unfolds. So when I said to you
yesterday the political eyes of the world is on, it
wasn't an overstatement at all. Richard Arnold, Out of the
US is with us next nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
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Speaker 2 (19:25):
B Listen there was a reasonably big decision yesterday from
the Supreme Court being called a landmark ruling on the
disability rights, which is basically that parents who are caring
for like severely disabled kids who are now adults, should
be legally recognized as homeworkers so they should get the
minimum wage. What is striking when you read about this
is just how unreasonable the Ministry of Social Development was like,

(19:49):
we can get into the details later on when we
actually deal with it. We're going to talk to Jane Carrigan,
an independent disability advocate after seven. But yeah, not cool
at all. Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
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Speaker 2 (20:04):
Richard Arnold US corresponders with US Morning Richard, Good morning Heather.
So Trump's got involved in this Netflix deal.

Speaker 16 (20:10):
Yeah, he's inserted himself into the TV and movie wars,
saying he will be engaged in who gets to buy
Warner Brothers Discovery, which owns lots of media operations. Their
holdings include HBO and on the news front CNN. This
presidential involvement, well it's all new. We haven't seen this
kind of thing before. Will the Trump administration approval, then
hinge on who the president favors, how the president can

(20:33):
impact programming. We have now this one hundred and eight
billion US dollar hostile bid for Warners by Paramount, which
draws from wealth funds in Saudi Arabia, Kata and Abu Dhabi.
This is led by David Ellison, whose mega billionaire father,
Larry Worth two hundred and seventy seven billion US is
a big support of Donald Trump. They're challenging Netflix, which

(20:54):
is offering eighty two billion for warners. Trump says he
will look at both proposals. Two bidders, none of them
are particularly great friends of mine. Well, it's reported now
in the Wall Street journals that David Ellison made a
pledge to Trump the other day that if Paramount wins,
he would make sweeping changes to CNN, which is often,
of course a target for Trump's fury. The Ellison group

(21:16):
also is joined with a private equity firm led by
Da Da Trump's son in lawd Jared Kushner. So that's
another Kushna enterprise. When he's not off in Moscow talking
with Putin, however, Trump has been putting out scathing social
media posts, now lashing paramount, which recently took over CBS
because he is furious about former Mega supporter Marjorie Taylor

(21:36):
Green lashing out at risident Trump on sixty Minutes. This week,
Marjorie Taylor Green slam Trump in her Sixty Minutes interview
with Leslie Stall, revealing what Trump said to her privately
about her support for the female victims of pedophile Jeffrey
Epstein and her backing for the release of the Epstein files.

Speaker 17 (21:55):
We did talk about the epsn files, and he was
extremely angry at me that I had signed the discharged
petition to release the files. I fully believe that those
women deserve everything they're asking. They're asking for all of
it to come out. They deserve it. And he was
furious with me.

Speaker 12 (22:13):
What did he say?

Speaker 17 (22:16):
He said that it was going to hurt people.

Speaker 16 (22:18):
So Trump is posting repeatedly about disclaiming that sixty Minutes
has become worse in his mind and calling Green a
quote low IQ traitor. Green, who voted with Trump ninety
eight percent of the time before they fill out over
the pedophilia scandal, now says she's received bomb threats to
her home and death threats to her son because of
Trump's verbal attacks. She says she complained to the White

(22:41):
House and says Trump replied, but she says she will
keep his response private because she says it wasn't nice.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Now I see this political interview, a political interview that
he's given as getting quite a few headlines, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Why not?

Speaker 16 (22:55):
Yeah, he was fired up on many issues. In this interview,
He's hinted that he might walk away from Ukraine and
slamming Europe as week and calling some unnamed European leader stupid.
Trump is calling on Ukraine's president Zelensky to seede territory
to Russia. He says Zelenski must quote play ball, and
says Russia retains the upper hand. Zelensky has said Ukraine
is not open to surrendering in this way. An American

(23:18):
walkout on Ukraine, of course, would be a pivotal move
by the United States. In his Politico interview, Trump repeatedly
described what he said were Europe's problems in racial terms. Mostly,
he said, quote the immigration policy is a disaster, adding
that soon quote many of these countries will not be
viable countries anymore. Meantime, Trump's self described Secretary of War
Pete Hegseth is briefing lawmakers again today on the boat

(23:41):
strike scandal. Trump reversed himself on releasing the video of
the second boat stripe, which course killed two survivors of
the Venezuelan drug boat some forty minutes after the initial
American attack.

Speaker 18 (23:52):
Trump was asked, mister president, you said you would have
no problem with releasing the full video of that strike
on September second, off the colast of Venezuela. Secretary, you
said that.

Speaker 12 (24:03):
I didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
This is ABC fankness.

Speaker 18 (24:05):
You said that you would have no problem releasing the
full bit. Okay, Well, Secretary hagsad whatever he sayth wants
to do is okay with you.

Speaker 16 (24:11):
Well, Trump's denial is a lie. Last week Trump said
this about the issue.

Speaker 13 (24:17):
I don't know what they are, but whatever they have
would certainly release no problem.

Speaker 16 (24:21):
They release it no problem. Now, Trump insists he never said,
but we all just heard him say. Trump then slammed
the ABC that reporter Rachel Scott, who kept at him
about all of this. So Trump responded, are you.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Committing to releasing the full video?

Speaker 13 (24:36):
Didn't I just tell you that you said that it
was up to Stary. No noxious reporter of the whole place.
Let me just tell you you are an obnoxious, a
terrible actually a terrible reporter. And it's always the same
thing with you. I told you, whatever Pete Heggsath wants
to do is okay with him.

Speaker 16 (24:52):
This is just the latest Trump attack on women journalists.
Another he called ugly inside and out, and to yet
another he silenced her by saying, quiet, Peggy.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
It's fun times, Richard, thank you very much, appreciate it.
Richard Arnold, US correspondent on the subject of Trump. It
appears Trump is the reason that the government's bill to
try and save the media or try to assist the
media was shelved. Do you remember this. This was the
fair Digital Media Bargaining Bill that a lot of the
media were really hoping, this is here in New Zealand,
we're really hoping would be some like go some way

(25:22):
to assisting them in terms of being able to get
the big tech guys to pay for using the news
and stuff like that. Anyway, it was with Goldie was
doing it, Paul Goldsmith, and then it was withdrawn in May,
and he's now admitted he withdrew it or had it
withdrawn because of concerns over how Donald Trump might respond
because Trump had been threatening other countries who were considering
enacting or progressing similar legislation. So we just looked at

(25:42):
it and went man, not worth the trouble. Now we
know why. Now heither here's a text. The wholesale rates,
global bond yields are all going up and will continue
to do so. There is nothing that central banks can
do apart from print money. The ocr does not set
the cost of money. The markets do, and anyone that
says otherwise doesn't understand the financi your markets grant, thank you.
Ten away from seven, Heather.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Do Lussie Allen fond of my casking breakfast with Bailey's
real estate news dogs there be.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Heather, Why did the speaker Jerry brownly allow the anti
Israel protest to continue in the public gallery yesterday? He
didn't stand, he didn't stop it, he didn't attempt to,
he didn't call for security. It disrupted the start of
question time. So good question. I mean, it's actually quite dangerous,
Like there's a reason that that stuff's not allowed to
happen from up there, because you've got people sitting literally
above the MPs and if they start dropping flyers. Yeah,

(26:29):
it's cool to drop the pamphlets. Well, what if it's
not pamphlets that dropping on people's heads. That's why we
don't usually tolerate that. If I get a chance, I
will talk to Chris Bishop, because I think is he
the leader of the house. I think he might be.
He's obviously with us to talk about the RMA, So
if we get a chance, we'll pop him a question. Hither,
I've got an RMA story for you. This is our

(26:51):
garage for a new garage crossing across the berm four
six hundred dollars, but then for the traffic management ten thousand,
six hundred dollars. Outrageous, Lisa, Life in New Zealand, isn't
it anyway? I'll give you my young and a tick
right now. It's five a really six away from seven.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
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Speaker 2 (27:16):
Okay, So I've got the year in Housing report from
Cotality this morning. It's called the best of the Best.
Report looks at everything from the values, the rent yield,
the time on the market. So what did twenty twenty
five deliver you broadly stagnation. Mike, we didn't know that. Yes,
we had lower mortgage rates which boosted sales volumes, but
when the economy is sluggish in the labor market isn't
much better. People really aren't keen on putting themselves in

(27:38):
hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt, and property
value suffered as a result. The lack of added value
has been good news for first home buyers, though they
make up about twenty nine percent of the purchasing market.
Rents have dropped across the board, especially in the main centre,
so it's been good for tenants, bad for mum and
Dad investors. Auckland still has the pricier suburbs in the country.
Eight of the ten is an Auckland. Herne Bay leads

(27:59):
the way with the median value of two point six million.
Arrowtown and Tamaheri and the Wikuttle were the only other
suburbs outside of Auckland to make the top ten. Now
would you have expected this? Wellington Central is the most
affordable suburb, with an average median of three hundred and
eighteen thousand dollars. That's because there are lots of one
bedroom apartments. Best growth. That was in Graymouth, where property

(28:20):
values are now up sixty percent in the last five years.
Some of yould in Christchurch and Hokitika were not far behind,
with fifty percent of growth since twenty twenty. Overall, about
ninety thousand homes will be sold this year. Ego, it's
almost everything you need to know about house prices, but
not quite. I've got a little bit more for you
later on. So this is what happened to me with
the arramee.

Speaker 15 (28:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
So I was telling you yesterday I had to put
a pool in. Well I didn't have to put a pool,
and I chose to put a pool in. So you know,
your sympathy for me is going to be limited. I
suppose if in putting in the pool, if you do
it in a certain way, you're just going to trigger
some like standard consenting issues.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
That's fine, you go through the usual consents, but if
you do certain other things, all of a sudden, you'll
find yourself against you, your better judgment and all of
your hopes and dreams, triggering an RMA requirement. We got
really close to that. So when we got to that
stage and we were trying so hard to design the thing,
so we didn't have to go through the RMA. When
we got to that, we thought we had to go
through the RM so we called up the pool people

(29:15):
and I was like, bloody hell, what do I do?
And they said, oh, here we go. This is the
name of the RMA consultants that we use. And I
was like really, So I called the RMA consultants and
I said to them, what is it going to charge
me to use you? And they said five thousand dollars
and I said, but hang on to just explain something
to me, as aren't you just literally going to go

(29:35):
with my plans to the neighbors and say to the neighbors,
is this call? And they were like, yes, that's what
we're going to do. But some people don't like talking
to their neighbors. And I thought, I'll be doing that,
thank you very much. But that goes to show just
how lucrative this is and how complicated people will pay
five thousand dollars just to have somebody sought out the
RMA for them. Anyway, we didn't get to that point,

(29:55):
thank god, but Mike hused Contact Energy next on that.

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Speaker 2 (30:14):
B good morning. So we've got our first look at
the proposed RMA reform, and it is significant. Around twelve
hundred planning zones in this country will now be reduced
to seventeen. Councils will be kept out of many building
decisions on private properties, and instead they will be expected
to compensate homeowners for decisions like imposing heritage status. A
key focus is on getting infrastructure built faster and cheaper,

(30:35):
and on that subject, Mike Fuseus, the chief executive at
Contact Energy.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Morning Mic, good morning, can marry you see?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I'm well? Do you like what you see?

Speaker 19 (30:43):
Absolutely? We think it is a well I termed it
a COVID type outbreak of common sense. It's going to
liberate this company country from a whole burden of bureaucracy
and this complication.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
What is more significant you is it saving money on consents?
Is it speeding up the consense or is it giving
you the certainty that you're going to get a.

Speaker 19 (31:05):
Yes, it's last two. It's the consenting process itself is
expensive and very burtisome for small, smaller companies, and we
acknowledge that, but it's the pace. It is a pace
of building infrastructure we need to continue for us. We
need to continue building rendurable energy as quickly as we
can to make up a short ul of ingenous country

(31:26):
from the collapse of the gas industry. We need pay Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
And how much faster do you think it's going to
make it?

Speaker 19 (31:33):
I think it will take years off. The critical thing
is where the devil is in the detail is the
appeal right, so that it doesn't once you've got a consent,
you're not then bogged into a bogged down in a
very lengthy court process. And so if we have absolute
clarity and clarity on that, this country has a one
off opportunity to really get going.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well, I mean what can you do about that though,
because that's that's a right to anyone, isn't it.

Speaker 19 (31:58):
What's that that's a.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Thing a being able to appeal for roll?

Speaker 19 (32:01):
No, I think that the Look, there's a couple of
things which are important. One is the intent of the
legislation is clear. So if anyone does wander off to court,
judiciary have very clear direction about where the intent of
legislation is. The second thing is the number of interested parties.
It's been restricted to actually parties who don't have a

(32:22):
passing interest or opinion. We've all got opinions. It's parties
who actually are affected and I think that's a critical
It's not just every curtain twitter that happens along. It's
actually affected parties that can have a comment.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So if you're wanting to build ar don't no I
mean any one of you electricity generation projects, who are
you likely to have to go and speak to?

Speaker 19 (32:46):
So it's affected parties. So you will obviously you'll one
first thing, you'll do the right thing. You'll be responsible,
you will take care of the biodiversity. You will make
sure you're doing the best thing as a good citizen.
That's number one. Number two, it's the affected parties who
have a higher threshold of being affected. So it might

(33:07):
be neighbors, it might be if there's going to be
a bit of noise during construction that you have to
go and talk to people who are affected by that.
But it's not someone four hundred miles down the road
in Wellington who's just got an opinion that your solar
farm or wind farm shouldn't be built.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, fair point, Mike. One of the estimations was that
we spend about one point three billion dollars each year
and this is just on infrastructure trying to get these consents.
Does that numbers sound about right to you?

Speaker 19 (33:37):
That sounds quite accurate. But I think there is a
much larger loss in the speed and the imposition that
the absolute snail's pace we take to get infrastructure through.
Look when I started as a CEO in Australia, I
got a consent for a solar farm in six weeks,

(33:58):
and now solar farms in this country look as though
they're going to take the best part of two years
under the old legislation. This should break that open. For
goodness sake, it's renewable energy. It is done with good
and noble purpose. We should be celebrating that stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Brilliant news, Mike, Thank you so much, appreciate it's a
good day. Mike Husch, Chief executive officer of Contact Energy.
Herether please ask Chris Bishop what they're going to do
to stop the extortion by certain groups demanding money for
consultational consents. Now, I think what Hamish is referring to
there as EWI. I think this is a valid question
because if you've been following the story of Ikea, you'll

(34:33):
know that the RMA consent required all the man offenda
were to come around and do prayers and be there
for the spades in the ground and all that stuff.
And Chris Bishop himself actually criticized that. So the question
is is he putting a stop to it? And he's
going to be with us after half past It's twelve
past seven, Heather do for ce Ellen so landmark ruling
from the Supreme Court on Disability Rights. The Court has
decided that parents who care for severely disabled adult children

(34:55):
should be legally recognized as homeworkers, which then entitles them
to minimum wage pertend actions. Now, this case is brought
by two parents in this position. Jane Carrigan is an
independent disability advocate and with us morning Jane.

Speaker 20 (35:07):
Are good morning here that how are you?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I'm very well, thank you. What's the outcome of this?
How many parents are going to be entitled now to
the minimum wage?

Speaker 20 (35:14):
Well, to be honest, the important issue is they are
and considered now considered employees of the Ministry of Health.
So it's not the minimum wage. I mean, that's the
bare minimum they will get under it. In terms of numbers. Look,
because it doesn't just apply to the exploitation, doesn't just
apply to parents of adult disabled children. It's across the board.

(35:39):
And so I would imagine that the number of families
we're talking about would be roughly ten thousand. That's ten
thousand families who have to give up work and provide
twenty four to seven care for often very high needs
adult adult family members. So yeah, so it's a side number.

(36:01):
And yeah, I'm hoping that the government will not do
what it's previously done and rush off and an acts
of madness implemented legislation that ultimately they've had to repeal
and concede have conceded have been appalling legislation and the circumstances,

(36:21):
so hopefully common sense will prevail and we can have
some good conversations with government. And because this isn't just
about money, we're here because the government will the public
servants of the day have ignored the last three Court
of appealed decisions that have supported this cohort of families.

(36:43):
So we're here out of needs. Must you know, we
just could not get I mean, when the Crown can
tell us no one's above the rule of law and
yet them public servants can just ignore Court of appealed
decisions in which they did in Atkinson, Spencer and Chamberlain,
then this is this is the result. This is the
only way we're going to get their attention.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Jane, thanks for your time, mate, best the luck of
everything that's Jane Carrigan, Independent Disability Advocate.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Heather dup See Allen.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
If you're working from home, you you probably have realized
this already. But if you haven't realized this already, this
should be awake up call. Looks like working from home
is coming to quite the abrupt end, and it's being
led by Auckland. This is this is what precinct Properties reckons.
It's one of the country's biggest listed landlords property landlords,
and it's been having a look at the work of
behavior and its network of office blocks around Commercial Bay

(37:36):
and Auckland's downtown Reckons. The Aucklanders are coming back into
the office. Most are in now four days a week now.
That is compared to the national average of just slightly
more than three days a week. It's like three point
three and even three point three is a number that's
gone up recently, so you know we're seeing the trend
headed in that direction. They reckon they noticed it in

(37:57):
the last calendar year, but really in the last six
month they have noticed people coming back into the office
and they say working from home is no longer a
thing because employers have recognized that people are much more
productive in the office now. You will note if you
listen to what's going on in Wellington that the union there,
particularly Fleur at the PSA, is fighting this hard because
Fleur wants everybody to have the ability. Like the She

(38:18):
may have an argument, she may have an argument that
people were promising, but she wants people to have the
ability to work from home. It's coming to an end.
And you know what's putting it to an end tough times.
Because when tough times call, you do the thing that's
going to keep your job and you go back in
right quarter past the.

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Speaker 2 (38:39):
Heather, I've been into the office six times this year,
might even be less next year. It rolls. We can
do it from anywhere. There's always one, isn't there? Thank you?
Mac Heather, please ask your guests. That was Mike fused
about the rights of property of homeowners who find the
property next door suddenly filled with ten bloody units. Where
our rights, Well, this is what I predicted at the
start of the program, right, is that we want this.
But this is going to be political home potato at

(39:00):
some stage because you've got the right now to do
what you want on your property, but so does your neighbor,
and you're not going to like that. And we've got
very use to stopping other people's stuff, so we're going
to hate that. We can't the Green Party. So the
Green Parties piped up about people who have student loans.
They've done a survey. They reckon there are all these
people out there who haven't paid their student loans and

(39:22):
can't come home for Christmas. In a fortnight's time survey
of four hundred New Zealanders living and working overseas, they
say seventy eight percent said they're making no progress paying
off their loan from overseas. Eighty two percent said they're
worried or extremely worried about their loan an unknown or
unspecified number the Greens say are not coming home this
Christmas because they're worried about what's going to happen at

(39:44):
the border if they haven't paid their loans. Now, the
Greens don't like that. So the Greens say, what we
need to do as an urgent cross party inquiry into
the student loan repayment scheme because the system isn't working,
because it isn't fair. Now, they want that done urgently.
But I'll tell you what we could also do urgently
is we could just pay back the money that those
people owe the rest of us, because yeah, they borrow
taxpayer money. So that seems like that could be done

(40:04):
with reasonable urgency, and then you could come home for Christmas.
And I would hazard a guest, Can I just say
that if we did a survey of I don't know,
four hundred New Zealanders who are still living in New
Zealand and paying off their student loans and working hard
and paying taxes here, I would estimate that pretty much
all of them will not feel sorry for those ones
who are overseas and not able to come home for

(40:25):
Christmas because they didn't pay their loans. And also, do
I need to point out to the Greens that people
who can't pay their loans because they haven't got the money,
probably can't come home for Christmas because they haven't got
their money. So just saying twenty past seven.

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Speaker 3 (41:55):
Heather duplus Ellen, why don't.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
You suggest to the Greens here that instead of wasting
money on flights coming home, they send it to the
IID to reduce their debt. I mean, obvious solution you
and I would think of that seven twenty four. Now, look,
I reckon it's got to count for something that the
black Caps captain backs the proposed T twenty league, don't
you think. I mean it's it's got to count for
something that he thinks it's a good way to keep
the black Caps in the country playing domestic cricket. Now

(42:19):
what I need to say this has proved weirdly controversial
since the details leaked. We don't know the finer details
of this deal. We don't know who gets the ultimate
sale when the black Caps are released from the competition,
or who gets the ultimate sale, whether it moves dates
to accommodate tests. And that stuff is important and it's
important enough for a deal to live or die on.
But the broad ideas behind this proposal are exactly what

(42:41):
we need, don't you think. I mean, these guys are
onto something. We do need a domestic a decent domestic
competition that we watch. We don't watch the domestic one
day is we don't watch the Super Smash, the Super Smash,
which is the current T twenty competition. It loses money. The
one days aren't even on tally. It's a good idea
to find something cricket that's going to actually earn it
some dollars. We need a carved out window to set

(43:04):
that we set aside just for domestic cricket, which is
free from any other international competitions, because that's the only
way that you're going to ensure that the best talent
the black Caps stay here and play rather than flogging
their wares in India, South Africa, Australia for their T
twenty competitions. And we need them to play here not
only so that you and I can enjoy it as
the fans, but also so that the emerging players can
play with the best and grow their own abilities, and

(43:26):
that cricket can make the money right and the local
competition that makes money is important because you cannot grow
a game and you cannot feed the grassroots if you
don't have money coming in. So the idea is actually
a really good idea. Give it some thought. Definitely, the
devil is the detail is where the devil is. But
the proposal has merit, and you have to say it
has merit because it is literally a choice between the
status quo, which is domestic cricket that doesn't work, or

(43:49):
a change, which is the chance that the domestic cricket
does work. Ever, dup c allen, hither the ear we
made this is really the RMA. The ear we made
us wait twelve months to bless our subdivide before deciding
they didn't have time to bless the subdivision. It cost
us over one hundred thousand dollars. Another one made the
largest developer in Westgate Waite over a year for a
bloke to turn up with a plastic water bottle and

(44:10):
the charged them one hundred and eighty thousand dollars.

Speaker 11 (44:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Well, I'm christ Boship's going to have to answer some
questions about whether the ear we still have the power.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I have a mate, Heather in a provincial town who
is developing something fairly significant for the area. The local
ear we have asked and received sixty five thousand dollars
so far in the consenting process. It's nowhere near finished.
It's been explained to him that this is an expensive
one because of the spirit's removal after a youngster ended
his life on the site many years ago. Morning, Heather,
I have a good RMA story if you don't. We

(44:38):
all we purchased a large site in Dunedin already approved
for residential development. The Dunedin City Council and then the
Otago Regional Council held things up for three years getting
consent one hundred and eighty million dollar development. They made
us go to get consent from all the neighbors even
though it was already consented because they deemed them affected parties.
Go figure Lord above anyway. So I mean here's the thing, right,

(44:59):
Well want the If you didn't catch the start of
the program, I mean you got to ask yourself a
question about that. But the point is simply, we all
want this to happen. But you can see how this
is going to cause trouble because we want the e
week to have their powers curtailed. But then there we're
going to get upset about that and we want we
want permission to do what we want, but the other
guy wants permission to do what he wants, and maybe
we don't like it. So anyway, Chris Bishop answering all

(45:20):
the questions on that with us straight after the news.

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Speaker 2 (45:42):
Well it six Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson after eight.
Right now it's twenty three away from eting. Back to
the business of RMA reform. This government has unveiled at
seven hundred and fifty page proposal. It sets clear limits
on what councils can regulate. It's expected to save about
thirteen billion dollars in consenting costs and lift GDP by
zero point five six percent annually by twenty fifty. Chris
Bishop is the RMA reform Minister.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Morning Bish, good morning.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I imagine this is a relief to get this workout.

Speaker 21 (46:09):
It's been a busy couple of years, in particularly last
busy couple of months.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
You can imagine now listen, I think most people want
to see reform. It's hard to argue with what you've
presented in terms of a replacement. But there's always a
but how much time do you think we're going to
spend in court testing this?

Speaker 4 (46:27):
I don't think a lot.

Speaker 21 (46:28):
In fact, part of the aim of it is to
try and get things out of court. To be honest,
there's way too much environment court litigation. It's inevitable there
will be cases, you know, you know, we have the
rule of law in this country. You can test things
through the courts and there will be some litigation, But
the actual aim of it is to try and get
less litigation and less debate about, for example, what the

(46:49):
words sustainable management mean, which is in the current RMA,
and we've been debating at length for thirty years, so
we've removed that from the new planning system.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
What about though? Looking out the loss?

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
So I say my council says we want to designate
your place of heritage area. I say, well, that's I'm
going to suffer loss. Then we have to figure out
how much the loss is so I can be compensated.
That's going to go to court, isn't.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
It in some circumstances.

Speaker 21 (47:14):
But you know we have valuations now, for example, and
that would be rare circumstances. We'd be asking counsels to firstly,
they only do it when there's a significant impairment on
your property. And then secondly, you know there'll be an
evidence standard around value that we will set through legislation
to work that out.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
So I think all of these things are able to
be worked through.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
If we get the COMPO for something like a heritage
heritage designation, what is that like a bank transfer or
is it a rates reduction?

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Could be any number of different things.

Speaker 21 (47:45):
So what we're asking counsels to do is to say, listen,
when you do something that has a significant impairment on
someone's property in the public good, and there is a
role for heritage, right and there's a role for significant
natural heritage and biodiversity and things like that. When you
do that, but you and you're essentially having an impact
on somebody else's properly that diminishes their value. You have
to think hard about doing that, and if you do

(48:05):
do it, then think about ways to make them whole again.
So it could be rates through missions. It could be compensation,
it could be land swaps for example. It will depend
on where people live. There's a range of things that
they could do. They could get bonus development rights in
exchange for giving up part of their land, for example.
So there's any number of different things that councils will be.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Able to look at.

Speaker 21 (48:25):
And it's just a recognition that you know, private private
property is important. The public goods important too, and we're
just trying to get a better balance between the two
of them.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Now, this requires councils to plan. Is it thirty years
in advance?

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Yes, spatial plans will be thirty years in advance.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Have we ever in this country planned thirty years in
advance for anything?

Speaker 21 (48:48):
Well, Auckland is required to do a spatial plan now,
but the types of plans we're talking about, the answer
is no.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Do you have confidence we can? I mean we get so.
It costs us millions to make plans and we fight
about it, and some of the plans that were designed
a decay to go still aren't completely enforce and it's
still in courts I know.

Speaker 21 (49:06):
And that's why we're making the plan making process a
lot simpler. Let's be really clear about the spatial plan.
These are not detailed, dense city plans. Okay that there's
a role for those, and those are called land use
chapters or land use plans. Spatial plans are basically looking
out over the next thirty years and saying, okay, where's
the future growth going to go in Canterbury or Wellington,
for example, where are the new greenfields houses, where's the

(49:27):
new infrastructure corridors?

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Where are the new roads going to go?

Speaker 21 (49:29):
We're not going to build them straight away, but in
twenty fifty we might be looking at building a road here.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
So are you arguing it's going to be simpler.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
We can do this, the spacial plans will be simpler.
But here's the thing.

Speaker 21 (49:40):
Proper countries, effective countries do that stuff twenty five, thirty
forty years in advance, because once people know where there
might be a road in twenty five years, the development
goes around that, and also potentially in the future we
can lock in those corridors through designations and lower the
future costs of infrastructure.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Go and build a road. These days, we're.

Speaker 21 (50:01):
Often spending hundreds of millions of dollars buying up land
because we decided to build it.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
We didn't plan it properly in advance.

Speaker 21 (50:07):
So these are the types of changes we can make.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Okay, now, listen, you have you cut back on how
much power EWE has over development.

Speaker 21 (50:16):
Well, what we're doing is saying that there's a role
for EWI in terms of spatial planning, in terms of
sites of significance to Maori in terms of burial grounds
for example, or Wahitapu sites or and they need to
be identified early on in the spatial plan and then
the land use plans, and then you'll need to go

(50:37):
and talk to EWE about those things. But at an
individual consenting level, which we're trying to move away from
the idea that you need to go and talk to
everybody in the city, including EWE about getting a consent
to do something. There will be fewer requirements for people
to go and talk to other people, including the council.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I'm hardened to hear that, but tell me so. The
situation we had with ike was that Ikea had to
go and talk to money, had a whole bunch of
groups of them coming and doing cut a care and
visiting whenever they wanted, and you know, being you know
there for the spades in the ground and all that
kind of stuff. Is your reform going to stop that
happening again?

Speaker 21 (51:12):
It will make that far less likely to happen. I mean,
it's still going to happen.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Well, I can't give you an individual hand on heart.
This will stop because I don't know.

Speaker 21 (51:22):
I don't know what future circumstances will be like, but
there will be Put it this way, there will be
no it's highly unlikely there will be a legal requirement
for the ike current care situation to happen again.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
I can't see how in good conscience I could.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
How are you not sure about it?

Speaker 11 (51:37):
Though?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
If you are the master run well?

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Because I can't give you every you know.

Speaker 21 (51:42):
In the same way if you asked me about another example,
I couldn't give you a because the law hasn't even
been passed yet, so I can't give you a hand
on heart. This will definitely stop. What I'm being honest
with you here that what I can say is it's
very likely that that will be far less likely in
the new law.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
All right, Bish, thanks for your to I appreciate it.
That's Chris boshop M reform minister. I don't know is
that what you wanted to hear probably not seventeen away
from eight the my.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
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Speaker 22 (52:11):
At b.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Hither I assume that we will not get compensation if
developers put up three stories next to you and take
away your views. No, not as important as heritage. Bar humbug.
That's what did I say. We're going to start getting
worked up about it. But it's Look, it's for the
good of the country that we're doing this, and it
is the right thing to do. I have got a
public service announcement for you, which is that the just
if you've been dying to watch the Descender Doing movie,

(52:36):
and I'm not going to lie to you, I actually have,
like I'm fully into this rage watching. So if you
want to watch it, it is now available. This is
the Prime Minister movie. It's now available streaming on Apple TV,
so you can. I'm just doing all their hard work
for them. I think it's like eight dollars and you
can you can rent it for thirty days, but you've
got to watch it in two days and it's fifteen
bucks and then you've got it forever. I went for

(52:57):
the fifteen bucks because I was I did not know
how many times I'd would want to watch it again,
you know, like if I just needed to get a
little bit of a bit of energy out, I might
just sit down and watch it. I started yesterday, got
fifteen minutes in immediately, and this is the second part
of my public service announcement to you be prepared to
get a little cross So immediately I reckon it was

(53:19):
the first shot, and I was like R because immediately
I was struck by how much time just Cinda has
actually put into this movie. Because if you've worked in TV,
then you know even the most basic shots for something
like this take a lot of time, right, They take
time and redoing. So this is one shot. I think
it's like the maybe the third or fourth shot in
the film whatever. Second setting, and she walks. It's a

(53:42):
darkened room and it's kind of got a light lighting
it from one end. And she walks and opens the door,
walks and comes and gets her bag, puts it in
her bag, goes out again, and it looks like it'll
look to the people who don't understand that though or
she just walked into a room, not a big deal.
That shot will have taken such a long time for
them to get right, because data made us sit outside
and wait, and then they would have set the camera

(54:04):
up just in the right place and they've got the
lighting all right. Then she would have come in the door.
Oh no, she put her bag on in the rock now,
just in a bag of there come and again like
that would have taken forever to do. And it just
made me think, Jeezu, you have put so much time
into this film. You and Clark have handed over so
much personal content, and even just knowing that you wanted
to film this personal content from the get go is

(54:25):
like quite a deliberate thing to do. Anyway, I find
that really interesting because Justinda has famously obviously played up
not enjoying her celebrity status and public attention. It's just
an observation that for someone who doesn't like being in
the limelight and who never really wants to be a
leader in a prime minister, she puts a lot of
effort into getting more attention. Anyway, I am going to
continue to watch it and look, depending on how I

(54:46):
feel about it, and depending on how much I feel
you can take on any particular day, I might keep
you abreast of how the thing goes. But alternatively, you
can just go and watch it. Telegraph two stars. Shameless
act of self promotion, they say in other news. While
we're on the subject of that, Grant's obviously down at
Otago has just been pointed out to me on the
text machine, so I had a look. Yet this has

(55:08):
bang on Grant's down at Otago running. It hasn't changed much,
expecting to post a nine million dollar deficit in twenty
twenty six. So you made the call Otago Ten away from.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Eight Heather duplicyl and on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vita Retirement Communities News togs, he'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I thought Jacinder's docco was great. It was a real
eye opener and at one stage made me feel ashamed
to be a key we Like I said, I'm only
fifteen minutes in. There's a narrative arc here. I might
come out the other end. I might watch the rest
of it today. I might come out going great film.
Seven away from eight. Now, if you want to become
a sports champion but haven't quite found your thing yet,
I might have something for you. New Zealand is going

(55:46):
to host our very first stone Skimming National Championship next year.
In May, it's going to be at Lake Harwia. The
winners will head along to the World champs in Scotland. Now,
Richie Lang is Lake Harwia Station's tourism manager and is
with us morning.

Speaker 23 (55:59):
Richie, morning to hear that from the shores of Lake Hawia.
It's wonderful to be with you.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
It's good to chat to you. Was this your idea?

Speaker 23 (56:06):
Yeah it was and look to be honest, if you
took to the station personnel, there wasn't a huge amount
of interest. Initially they saw the merit, but I went
ahead and contacted the World Stone Skimming Championships. They offered
us two entries. I took to Melanoma, New Zealand. They
wished to be the charity. We wish to raise thirty
thousand dollars on the day. And then there was a
serendipitous event where a cheating scandal came around the World's

(56:27):
Stone Skimming Championships, putting stone skimming on the world map.
We thought it was the time to strike. We have
a vehicle to be able to host these type of
events here at Lake Hawia Station, so we wish to
do that. In May twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Mate I read about that stone skimming the cheating at
the time. This is pretty hard out for an event
that I thought would just be friendly. But what was
it were they was he basically trying to make their
stones as round as possible.

Speaker 23 (56:52):
Yeah, look, it was a stone tampering scandal, Heather. So
what actually happened is they rounded off the stones. And
I have to say now doing my research, probably from
inexperienced stone skimmers. So I've got a lake Harwere stone
in front of me, and the beautiful thing here is
they're very flat, but they're not perfectly round. You don't
want them perfectly around because you want the forefinger involved

(57:15):
to maximize leverage and spin on the stone, so you
maximize the skips across the water so you can go
as far as possible.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I'd thought about
that as well. We need a little hook in there,
don't you. So how are you going to stop them
from I mean, do you think that we're just like,
do you need to have some way to stop them
from doing this? Or do you think people are just
going to be less competitive and weird in New Zealand.

Speaker 23 (57:35):
Yeah, Look, I've designated a task Force Task Force skim.
I don't know if you've met these guys here that
guys and girls, but almost the essays equivalent of the
stone skimming World hyper vigilin individuals. We're going to have
a registration process. They're going to be patrolling the area
and we're going to make sure that participants are collecting
the stones from a designated area. We're going to photograph

(57:57):
the stones and then we're going to photograph again before
they throw, and then for the plays getters, we can
verify that they were using the same stone. So yeah,
if they do want to cheat, then yeah, let them
have it. It's a very very high chance they will
be caught. But any publicity is good public behave all right, So.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
How do people get in if they want to be
a world champion?

Speaker 23 (58:16):
Yeah, so if you go to Melanoma dot org dot
NZ and this is a call to communities around New Zealands.
We wish to have any New Zealander there on the day.
And look, tickets are going like hotcakes. We're about halfway
through so fast, so tickets are still available. Go to
Melanoma dot org dot ENZ. You can register your interests
to receive the ticketing linked either as a spectator or

(58:37):
as a participant on the day.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Oh you're very good at it, Richie, Thank you very much.
Good lucky that Richie Langlake Harwi are stationed tourism manager.
I mean, actually you know that even it's an activity
you can do with the kids. So how good would
that be start of the winter down there? I might
Grant Robertson an apology. It's been pointed out to me
because yes, while Otago University is in deficit, it's less
than what was budgeted. So it was budgeted to be
fifteen and a half's company. He's just tidied those books

(59:01):
right up. It's only a deficit of nine billion dollars,
but nine million rather. I mean, you know, I'm sorry
with Granted, I just get treggered back into the bees.
Nine million. I mean, you know, it would have been
nice if we'd had that kind of fiscal discipline, you know,
when we were running the country. But anyway, because I
don't know about you, but I was just thinking about
that yesterday, about the six thousand. I don't need to

(59:22):
mean to trigger you, but do you remember the six
thousand dollars we just gave the principles for like for
well being.

Speaker 11 (59:27):
It just wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Wonderful times we've just had that much cash anyway, the
Taxpayers Union, this campaign against Nikola Willis hasn't even started yet,
but it is kicking off. Ruth Richardson. She's challenged Ruth Richardson,
who's the chair to a debate. Ruth's come back and gone, yeah,
this on, I'll.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Do a debate.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
So we're going to talk to Politics Wednesday about it.
Because I don't know about you, but I am ready
for this debate anyway. Jenny and Mark Thus next news book,
z'd be Now, I'm living and.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
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the impossible news tomsa'd.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
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spiritual detours, and moments when an old Carol suddenly feels
like a mirror. Her take on River aches with a
quiet devastation of someone who knows exactly what it means
to need an escape hatch.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
So that person's got a word of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Who I have no idea what any of that meant. However,
this is called what's again?

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
You and me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
And Christmas?

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:00:57):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
The words literally are in the corners to the corners,
You and me Christmas?

Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Jinny Anderson with us. Hello, you
too good to listen? I tell you what, But I'm
loving the reno's. I'm loving the r When I say
the renolds, I mean the RM reforms that might lead
to easier renos. How about you?

Speaker 14 (01:01:16):
Are you going to have busy out the building to
deck over the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I think that will be I think you and I
know that anybody who lives a hammer in this family
is me. Also weirdly, also weirdly, Mitch, is your wife
who does all the hard work, doesn't she?

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
She does.

Speaker 14 (01:01:30):
She's amazing, There's no doubt about that. And she would
definitely agree with you that she's the handy person the home.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
You come up against the RMA yet, Jinny, Uh.

Speaker 12 (01:01:42):
Not really, No, No, I haven't.

Speaker 24 (01:01:45):
But it is looking a lot like the one they
checked out when they first got in even yeah, it's
very similar to what we had in place that got biffed.

Speaker 12 (01:01:54):
They've literally going to changed the titles.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
But this is good, Ginny, this is good because what well,
what you like? You put it out.

Speaker 12 (01:02:05):
In the spirit, in the spirit of Christmas.

Speaker 24 (01:02:08):
Bipartisanship is important, but it means, yeah, we want to
take a good lock like they've only just landed, so
we'll have a have a good lock through it.

Speaker 12 (01:02:16):
And Rachel Brooking has been been doing that work for us.

Speaker 24 (01:02:20):
But the one they introduced last night that we didn't
know about, that that that was disappointing. They chucked something
through all stages of urgency, didn't mention it and and
we didn't get there in the briefings.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 24 (01:02:32):
There was one about I think it was notification. The
way you do do things that's changing. So it was
one that went through that was at the early stages.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
What do you know what he's talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
There was around there.

Speaker 24 (01:02:46):
Was forgotten the title of the bill, but it was
all a urgency last night, and it was around consenting
and how that works.

Speaker 14 (01:02:51):
So it was just it was about it was about
some bracest thing to protect people that are already engaged
in having consents done so that they're not impacted by
the changes that are going to be made, and the
bills that will deal with that will be going through
a full parliamentary process. It's really positive for us as
a country. It's going to save rate pars and tax

(01:03:13):
pawers about thirteen point three billion dollars by regulating only
what is necessary and starting to giving people's freedom to
be able to do more around their own properties and landowners.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah, okay, that sounds reasonable. Now much on Costa, What
is going on here? Is Andrew cost A lying or
is he being genuine and someone has just someone has
forgotten what actually happened.

Speaker 14 (01:03:36):
Well, I'm trying not to talk about Andy Costa too
much because I'm moving on from all of that and
getting focused on public safety. But I will say this,
is he lying about the fact that he briefed me
or had an informal chat with me about Geimate skilling.
Absolutely is if he had bought that forward to me,
bearing in mind in the context that at that time
I was having issues around the executive and performance anyway,

(01:03:58):
it would have been a massive red flag for me
to seek more advice and information on it. When I
did find out about givin skimming, m said, which was
on the sixth of November, I immediately called a meeting
with the PSC and this solicited general on the seventh
to bring forward my concerns around here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Okay, now, is there value in us maybe doing an inquiry?
I mean, I hate an inquiry, but given them, we've
got this, he said. She said, nonsense, why not do
an inquiry and clar enough?

Speaker 14 (01:04:24):
Well, it's not, he said, She said, because both myself
and Chris Hipkins have been very clear and unequivocal about
the fact that we have not received those briefings. There's
no file notes, there's no memos, there's no aid memoirs,
there's nothing at all. So it's incumbent on him if
he's going to come out and say that to prove it,
which he can't. The IPCA report is very thorough. It

(01:04:45):
deals with all of those issues. We have accepted all
the recommendations. We're going to be implementing those. We're putting
an Inspector General in over the top of police to
make sure that ensure that the public can have confidence
that this can't happen again, and we just got to
get on with it. We've got a very good new
police commissioner that's fixing a lot of those issues, and
it's been dealing with those issues before.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Now what do you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Reckon, Jenny, how do we clear this up?

Speaker 24 (01:05:08):
Well, there's a big job here really to rebuild that
trust and confidence with New Zealand public. And my concern
at all of this is that we already have a
really low rate of reporting family violence and sexual violence.
It's it's at less than twenty percent in some instances
are being reported. And so when you have issues like

(01:05:29):
this happening that get so much profile and so much media,
my concern is that it takes away people's ability to
feel like they can front up and report crimes.

Speaker 12 (01:05:39):
And hope they'll be investigated.

Speaker 24 (01:05:41):
And so I really hope that in the program of
work that you know, Mark's got ahead of them, that
those things will be addressed.

Speaker 14 (01:05:47):
So so here that I agree with those comments that
the biggest concern that we had, of course was around
public confidence, and we were really hard to try and
show that this was this was contained to a small
group of people, yes, the previous leadership team, but we've
got fifteen thousand outstanding non sworn and sworn Keiwis turn
up every day and serve their communities, and I think

(01:06:09):
the public have been able to work that out. Then
you've had people like Louise Nicholas who've got a much
loud of voice on this, then the likes of me,
who's coming out and see to interrupt you match.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I've got to interrupted because producer Sam just came in
with Winston Peter's post on his phone on Facebook. Have
you seen this, Jinny, what Winston said about what chiping you?
So he's posted on facing. Is it not a fact
that Chris Hopkins knew about Jevin mc skimmings affair in
twenty twenty two when he was the police minister.

Speaker 12 (01:06:35):
No, it's not true.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
He did not age that.

Speaker 14 (01:06:36):
Yeah, there was a post that was put up yesterday
and looks that'll be for New Zealand first to speak to,
you know, so you'll.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Have to get them on you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Do you know that it's a fact.

Speaker 14 (01:06:47):
No, I don't. I was very clear yesterday that, judging
on my own experience with the fact that Andrew Costa
came out and just blatantly lied about the fact that
he had previously briefed me in twenty twenty four war. Yeah,
I said that I completely support Chrysipkins and what he's
coming out and see if he said the same experience
as me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Is that.

Speaker 14 (01:07:08):
I think that he came out and even went a
bit further and said he was in a police car
at the time. There are other people in the car.
No one recollects that conversation at all.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Interesting. All right, guys, we'll take a break, come back
to you shortly fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Right, You're back with politics, Wednesday, seventeen past eight, Mike
Mitchel and Jenny Anderson. Jinny, what are we going to
do about Sunny Koschel's bougie morning teas? I don't know.

Speaker 24 (01:07:35):
That's quite a lot of money. Three two hundred dollars.
That's a lot of sausage rolls, a you know if
you break that down. So yeah, he couldn't.

Speaker 12 (01:07:45):
We didn't get any straight answers out of that. There
was a lot of money.

Speaker 24 (01:07:47):
We don't know how many people were here, so that
were have helped to understand and we don't know who
we did know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I thought there were eighty people. Image didn't we know that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
I'm not sure it was.

Speaker 14 (01:07:58):
I wasn't on the committee, and that's not my portfolio,
it's Paul's. But all its is Sonneykelshler has dedicated. I
don't think anyone would challenged him around the dedication he's
given to public safety, especially our smaller medium sized businesses
of retail crime and violent retail crime. I know that
he has literally done dozens of public meetings around the country.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Have two hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars. Now much
is that? Is that annual or is that quarterly?

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
No, that'd be annual, but twenty five a day.

Speaker 24 (01:08:30):
It's nine hundred and twenty five a day, and he's
claimed the full amount. That was the point so that committee, No,
we asked the question about how many a meeting. We
didn't get that clear, but the point was that he'd
claimed even like weekends in public holiday, so we questioned
whether he was actually working for all.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
We We just had it.

Speaker 14 (01:08:47):
We just had a stabbing. A shopkeeper was stabbed in
christ Dutch last week. Sonnykelshill was straight down there meeting
with the meeting with the community meeting with the shopkeepers.
He's brought forward some very good policy ideas. He cheered
the Ministerial Advisory Group, Paul Goldsmith, and they're doing some
outstanding work and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Okay, can it explain to me how this works? So
much he goes down there, he meets with him and
then as a resulter, you expecting that he would come
back to you with, Hey, listen, this is this is
a problem that we've got to deal with and this
is how we can fix this kind of thing and
prevent it happening again.

Speaker 14 (01:09:19):
Well, the best, the best way to make good laws
in Wellington's to go out and speak to the people
that were actually impacted by it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
And that's what he does.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Well, that goes someway, Ginny. Doesn't that go some way
to explaining why he's working every single day that God
gave him.

Speaker 12 (01:09:31):
Well, that's encouraging, I will say there either.

Speaker 24 (01:09:34):
But the point I think is that bothers me is
all the ideas he's come up with, He offered them
up to me when I was Minister for Free He
came and gave me and we gave us a petition
to committee.

Speaker 12 (01:09:44):
He came and talked to us.

Speaker 24 (01:09:46):
He didn't charge me two hundred and thirty nine dollars
or a three thousand dollars inunch for those same ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
But also now you raise now you're opening up questions
about if he gave them to you for free, white,
didn't you do them mate?

Speaker 12 (01:09:57):
Because they're still and the police said that people get here,
the police.

Speaker 14 (01:10:02):
So here that I'll just say this, under the under
labor violent retail crime went through the roof. Under national
we're reducing it. So it probably tells you a lot,
doesn't it that you had a guy like Sonny Calshot
there who was campaigning, who was holding public meetings, who
was trying to speak to the government. And what's Jenny's response,
They just dumb ideas. These are coming from the shopkeepers, Ginny.

Speaker 24 (01:10:22):
These are ideas that Caroline Young on that are really
got these sensible ideas.

Speaker 14 (01:10:28):
In Caroline, and we work with Caroline Young and retail
in Ze as well. But we're talking about the small
dairy owners on the corner that don't have all the
money that the big end of town do, and they
deserve a voice because are the ones and the employees,
are the ones turning up at the shelp at the
counter and the ones that are having to face this
violent retail crime. So yes, they need a voice, and
we listen to them and we bring their ideas forward.

(01:10:50):
We don't get to get stuck on this beltway mindset
where we know best. We've actually got to listen to
the people that are impacted.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Match, I'm just doing a really quick order. How long
you taking off for summer holidays?

Speaker 14 (01:11:02):
I'm going to We're going up to Bali for ten
days to meet my daughter, my son in law and
my grand daughters and go and stay on our.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
Private island pulling.

Speaker 14 (01:11:11):
According to Ginny, we've got a private life island.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
One of those.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Okay, I'm not.

Speaker 14 (01:11:22):
Your your bully is not really good because if we
do not have a private island, the house they've got
to house, we're meeting them there and we're going to
have ten days.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Okay, so you're back early New year, Jinny.

Speaker 24 (01:11:35):
I'm going to Castle Point. I don't own Castle Point.
I'm just ciring any bm B.

Speaker 14 (01:11:39):
There island Castle.

Speaker 12 (01:11:41):
I don't know if there is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Give you between the two of you bickering, I'm never
going to be able to do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
This order you're back.

Speaker 24 (01:11:50):
It's usually about the interversary days. So about the nineteen twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Nice, all right for some thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
What are you going to be doing well?

Speaker 14 (01:12:01):
You guys are going to be over Tyre doing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Some surfer yeahte I'm going there and I'm going to see.
I'm gonna come gate crash your corerimandal places. I don't
know if you know this, Jinny, but he also he
also owns a town in the Corimandel, So there's that can.

Speaker 12 (01:12:18):
Board.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Yeah, good to talk to the lord. Honestly, you too
is like husband and a wife make Mitchell, Ginny Anderson anyways,
trying to figure out if summer holidays are too long?
Obviously Ginny's and yes there's no eight twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Heather dupas Allen on the mic Asking Breakfast, where the
Defender and b.

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to them about the business with the Taxpayers Union v
Nikola Willis, But what I will say is keep an
eye out for what happens next week with the half
yearly economic financial update. All that sounds boring, doesn't Its

(01:13:38):
opening the books the HIFU. I have a strong suspicion
that Nichola Willis is going to push out surplus supposed
to happen in twenty nine. I reckon she's pushing it
out to thirty. Keep an eye on that because that's
going to cause all kinds of trouble. For this government.
I've got a fun Trump update for you, because they
all are fun. At the moment, it looks like the
very thing that Trump fired Lisa Cook for and that
the administration is using to bring against Letitia James and

(01:14:01):
Adam Scheff, Trump himself has done this is what his
administration is calling mortgage fraud. So, if you remember correctly,
Lisa Cook was fired because it emerged that she'd bought
two houses within weeks of each other, and then she'd
taken out mortgages, and in each of those mortgages, she
had claimed that she was living in the house as
a primary residence. But you can't be living in two
houses at the same time as primary residence, are so

(01:14:23):
quote mortgage fraud. So she got the sack. Turns out
now that Donald Trump did exactly that in nineteen ninety three,
bought two houses next to each other in Palm Beach
within seven weeks of each other, took out mortgages, claimed
in both that he was going to be primarily living
in that house. So he's going to live in that house,
and he's going to live in that house. Problems. He
lived in neither house, rented them both out immediately as

(01:14:43):
investment properties what he calls deceitful and potentially criminal, were
off to Australia. Next to checking on the social media
band used to exibi.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Chris Tough on Power Sharp on Inside Heather due for
Sea Allen on the mic asking breakfast with Bailey's real
estate doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy three, news
togs dead.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Be Peggy's in trouble, Peggy being Peggy Barrows. You know
who I'm talking about. Peggy is the one who She's
the principle of Higata Community Campus. She's the one who
went you know public with the moldy food v David
Seymour had a crack at hamm It went at all
turned pair shape. I involved myself in that in some
obscure way. Anyway, She's in trouble because remember we talked

(01:15:37):
about this yesterday. The Auditor General's Office had to look
into the well Being Fund, the six thousand dollars that
Grant Robinson just sprayed at the principles to spend on
whatever turns out. Hiata Community Campus and Peggy spent eighteen
and a half thousand dollars on a trip to Queenstown
for its senior leadership team. They spent about ten thousand
dollars on accommodation, six thousand dollars on meals, drinks and

(01:15:58):
tourist activities inn in May last year. Money came from
partly the twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four allowances.
Trip did not provide enough evidence is the Office of
the Order to General School did not provide enough evidence
for all the spending that occurred as part of the
trip had that had a clear business purpose, or rather
it had no clear business purpose. So I think you

(01:16:18):
can see that this is getting ugly for Peggy and
we're all interested in what she's been up to lately.
Twenty two Away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
And out of Australia. We've got our correspondence Steve Price, Morning, Steve,
Good day, Heather. How's the social media band going well?

Speaker 11 (01:16:39):
I'm glad I'm not a parent today of a teenager
under the age sixteen. Can you imagine waking up this
morning and they've got their social media sites turned off?
I mean it's happened progressively this week. I heard a
couple of talkback callers yesterday, kids who normal normally would
use Snapchat. Snapchat turned under sixteen's off progressively this week.

(01:17:00):
One mother saying, well, my daughter's fourteen. She didn't realize
they're going to turn it off early. She just had
her end of years social They took a lot of
pictures and now she can't access the pictures. Will they
still exist two years time when she turned sixteen? Now
the media so they will. This is the world first.
The government is behind it, major media players like Newslamit

(01:17:21):
in Australia behind it as well. Read It on Tuesday
night confirmed that they would implement new safety features to comply,
but at the same time they're launching a legal challenge
against the policy. There is a High Court challenge that
is going to go before the High Court at some
stage early next year. The accounts are suspended and it's

(01:17:42):
going further because the Premiere of South Australia, Peter Malanowskis,
who was the boker.

Speaker 19 (01:17:47):
Came up with this idea in the first place.

Speaker 11 (01:17:49):
He says, in South Australia, what they're actually going to do, Heather,
is they're going to try and campaign to delay the
introduction of smartphones to anyone under that age of sixteen,
and so parents will be given a kid to try
and help them encourage them not to give their children
smartphones until they turn the age of sixteen. I don't
know how successful that will be. And you know, I

(01:18:10):
am always a little skeptical about these things. My feeling,
Heather is. And I'm sure there's plenty of people listening
to you now nodding their heads will so agree with
me that kids under sixteen will find a way around
this fairly quickly. How many of them do it? Who knows?
We may never know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Yeah, they definitely will, because the kids and they find
the work around generally. Oh, I see, you guys are
going to be burning coal for what the next twenty five.

Speaker 11 (01:18:33):
Years or so? Yeah, this is excuse me. I email
report the Show and Energy Market Operator. It'll be released today,
one hundred and fifteen page report tipped out at the
end of the year hoping not a lot of people notice,
but it's been picked up. We're told that coal will
be needed to stabilize the grid heather until twenty forty nine.

(01:18:54):
Why that dad important? Well, we have net zero emission
policy of this federal government that kicks in in twenty
fifty Chris Bowen. Of course, ironically our climate change minister.
He's been appointed as the cop President of Negotiations, So
this book's going to be flying around the world convincing
developing countries to stop burning coal, while his own country

(01:19:16):
has been told we'll need it to step in when
wind and solar are not working efficiently, and he's going
to try and tell other people not to burn coal,
which is ironic and it's quite delicious really. The report
also says that wind has become just too expensive, and
there's also concerns in there about transmission lines and where
they're being ram through national parks and people's farms. So

(01:19:40):
it'll be very, very fascinating to see how the government
reacts to that report today.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Now Anika wells, but she loves keeping a taxi waiting
for hours, doesn't she.

Speaker 11 (01:19:50):
That's horrendous. I mean of all the things, you know,
flying the husband to Grand Finals and NRL Grand Finals
austraight and Open tennis and even taking a kids to
threadboat to go skiing in the winter. I think of
all the things that have come out so far, and
boys a lot come out. The fact that she've got
a Comca commal driver to wait outside the Australian Open

(01:20:12):
while she sat and watched the women's final for somewhere
between seven and ten hours. I think that'll upset and
the anger more Australians probably than just the air fares.
But as usual with these things, I heard you're talking
about a travel wrote before. As always the journos start
digging and if they found a hell of a lot
of stuff on everybody, so they're all doing it. Today

(01:20:34):
we learn that two Greens senators use their family reunion
rights to fly family relatives from Sydney to the Gold
Coast to a Palestinian protest and a blues festival. So
this is just going to get worse and worse and worse.
The only answer to this is they've got to rewrite
the rules and you can't have you know, everybody using

(01:20:57):
it to their own benefit that way. It's just not
in the spirit of what the laws were written for
in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
No, too right, I think the rules need to be rewritten. Steve.
As always, thank you mate, look after yourself and have
a good day. Steve Price, Ozsie correspondent. If you're still
not convinced by the social media band I've got something
that might change your mind, or get to it shortly.
The cricket team, the English cricket team. If you've been
following the Ashes, you know that every single piece of
criticism that they are getting for how little work that

(01:21:24):
they're doing on their tour of Australia is completely warranted
because they suck. The Sydney Morning Herald has now done
the numbers on how many days they've worked. Get a
load of this, okay, So since they arrived in Australia
exactly a month ago, they have spent six days in
a month, six days playing Test cricket. If you want
to add, just to be generous, if you want to

(01:21:44):
add the three day warm up they played against themselves
before the first Test, you can make it nine days.
But I'm telling you that's been generous. It's really a
six days that was just that was a lark from them.
Eleven is the number of days that they have held
training sessions. Some of them were optional, you didn't have
to go along. When is the number of days that
they've had off and the travel days since they arrived.
Now that is about to grow, because yesterday they went

(01:22:05):
to NUSA. Because it's been so taxing that he has
some R and R so that they're off having R
and R and NUSA for what looks like an extraordinary
amount of time by the team. By the time the
team begins training for the next match, they will have
had off a total of fourteen days out of thirty four,
which means that in the entire time that they've been
in Australia doing work, because cricket's their work, they will
have been off forty one percent of the time, which

(01:22:27):
is not bad for a work trip. I think you
can agree, but it does also maybe explain why they
suck so much on the pitch.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
BI Heather, I think you'll find that at that level
of Test cricket, the English players will be doing individual
sessions outside the team sessions, especially around the batting and bowling,
and I'd be very surprised that they weren't doing that well.
The suggestion is that they're not because bas Brenda McCullum
has actually come out and defended all the days off.
He said, sometimes the most important thing is to feel
a little bit fresh and make sure that your top

(01:23:03):
two inches are completely sound. I think the boys just
need a few days off. I mean maybe they do.
We you can look at the record. Maybe they don't
twelve away from nine. Okay, So here we go. So today,
as we've discussed, the social media ban has kicked in
in Australia, and it's also the same day that we've
got yet another study that shows that you should not
let the kids be using social media when they're very young,

(01:23:25):
because it may, in fact be if they have ADHD,
it may be making it worse, may in fact be
introducing it to them. So this is a peer reviewed
report from the Kolinska Institute in Sweden and also the
Oregon Health and Science University in the US. And what
they did is they monitor the development of about eighty
three hundred or so kids based in the US from

(01:23:45):
the age of ten to fourteen. So these are kids
who would be banned under Australia's ban, right, And it
looked at kids who were spending What they found as
they were spending an average of two point three hours
a day watching TV or videos online, one point four
hours on social media, and then one point five hours
one and a half hours playing video games. Now, what
they found is there was no link between the video

(01:24:06):
games and the watching TV and the watching YouTube and
then getting the ADHD and being easily distracted and stuff. Again,
So TV's not doing it, video games aren't doing it,
YouTube's not doing it. But social media over a period
of time was associated with an with an increase in
inattention symptoms in children. They've screened, by the looks of things,

(01:24:27):
for social economic background, they've screened for genetic predisposition. They
say it's got nothing to do with that. It is
completely the social media and if they're right, they hypothesize
that this may go some way to explaining why everybody's
getting the old ADHD diagnoses at the moment, because of
course social media has been when did we start using
social media like properly About fifteen years ago. Maybe you

(01:24:49):
could push it out to twenty, but it is really
about fifteen years ago and all of a sudden the
old ADHD shot up. So they think they may go
some way to explaining why that's happening. So you can't
argue that it isn't a good idea and at least
a good effort from the Australians. We can have a
debate about whether it will work or not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Ten Away from nine, Heather dup c Ellen on the
my Casking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
They'd be morning here that my two children play Roadblocks, Roadblocks, Roadblocks.
I think I'm pronouncing that right. Just recently, Roadblocks had
an update and newsers had to scan their face. Think
about when you're setting up your phone for face ID.
They just basically did that. My teen year old boy
can now only chat with nine to twelve year old
It's probably a good thing. My twelve year old daughter, though,
was put in the seventeen to eighteen year old range,

(01:25:32):
and she made an alternative account and then that one
put her in the twenty plus category. She's not happy
because she can't talk to her school friends or her
gaming friends. I mean, do you know what test though,
I reckon that this is just like this, You got
to push through it. This is I mean, try telling
the children and that they're not going to love that.
But I reckon they just pushed through this, but get
a new sense of normal chat to their friends in
real life instead of online, and everybody will be okay

(01:25:53):
again and probably better for it. Listen Worth going to
read what Simon Bridges has written about the economic recovery
next year. We all know it's coming and we're all very,
very very excited for it, because Jesus, it's been a
long time, isn't it. But he says, just calm your farm.
Ever so slightly right. He thinks it's going to be
not blockbuster growth, but just a bit of a grind

(01:26:13):
out of it. So a bunch of reasons. You know,
Australia will keep sucking away our talent. Unemployment is still
a bit of a problem here that weighs on sentiment.
There's a chance of a share marker correction. But he thinks,
most importantly, the election will be a thing, because he says,
I predict economic momentum in the first half of the year,
but we all tend to hold off on decisions and
spending during an election campaign, especially one that's a close

(01:26:33):
call like this one is looking, so don't every unrealistic
hopes for the middle of the year onwards. Champagne corks
will ultimately pop, I reckon, but for heaven, think twenty seven.
I think he may be onto something. Six away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Trending now Warehouse, the Real House of frequances.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Okay, we told you last week on the show what
the color of the year was. It's a form of white.
It's called cloud Dancer. Now there's been some criticism, of course,
because a favorite color is subjective, but the criticism about
cloud Dancer has gone far beyond why wasn't it red.

Speaker 22 (01:27:07):
We've just watched one of the darkest years on record, genocide, livestream,
far right, government's rising, open fascism in the streets, and
Pantone really looked at all of that and said, Yeah,
the vibe for twenty twenty six is pure white.

Speaker 18 (01:27:20):
It's giving Sidney Sweeney hows goodjans, it's giving Mariah Carey
saying that elves aren't working hard enough.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
It's a political statement. You're going to choose white and
market it as a soothing research Probably.

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
I think the fact that it's white this year is
a problem and is an indicator of the global riter fascism.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Fascism, Yes, so be for for God's sake, whatever you do,
do not put on a white shirt today, you absolute fascist.
Oh no, what are you wearing a white shirt today?

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
What do you are?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
What are you wearing our cancine?

Speaker 23 (01:27:53):
I love the irony that every single one of those
people you just heard was kind of like an earnest
young privilege.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Why probably, Lord, I mean, it's like they would have
wanted a shade of black to reflect that they're rolling
stone song. Ain't I see a red door? Oh it's
a cloud dance door. I wanted painted black. Hey, this
has got to be honestly, if you're looking for something
just to rage, watch apart from Justinda's movie, obviously, go
and see if you can find the video of the
council in London painting the disabled bay around the parked car.

(01:28:24):
The guy had parked legally. This isn't the Croydon Council
area New Addington, South London. He'd parked legally, and then
he'd gone on holiday. Right parked is audi there? Oudi's
asking for trouble. Goes on holiday, council worker comes around,
paces out, he literally paces it out, and then starts
painting lines around the car parked legally. Now the cars
are leegal because he's painted the lines around it. Nick

(01:28:46):
minute on comes another council worker gives him a ticket.
That happens four times. He gets four tickets. So obviously
what they didn't count on is the fact that he's
got the CCDV pointing down at the AUDI and he's
filmed this whole little thing that's just played out there,
pops it on social media and what does Croydon Council do. Immediately?
Riscinds the fines and says sorry, but insists it's standard

(01:29:07):
practice to paint around vehicles to prevent delays, but says
nothing much about what happens when you paint around vehicles
And then old mate comes around and gives you four tickets.
So go and have a look at that. And however,
whatever's made you angry today, however bad your day is,
it will feel so much better because you're not that
guy with that CCTV having to fight that ridiculous counsel. Anyway,

(01:29:28):
I'm going to go straight home and take my t
shirt off just you know, okay, somebody thinks I'm supporting fascism.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
You enjoy your day.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
We'll see you tomorrow. News tiog zb

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
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