Full Show Podcast: 10 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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The Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Veda, Retirement Communities, Life
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Be Morning and welcome today. Good Tuesday. Business sales they're booming.
We're now getting more teachers into classrooms and are not
growing the rolls. Got another big renewable energy project underway
to tell you about. We'll talk to Mark Robinson, who's
handed in the old resignation at the Rugby Union captain
fielders and Europe for US and Rod Little will pomp
In and from being another country asking welcome to the day,
seven past six. Now you can see why so many

(00:32):
around the world's seeing New Zealand as some kind of
peaceful paradise, can't you. I mean, the numbers a arriving
here are not what they were tourism wise, and that
reputationally came from the border closure, of course, and the
made rules of the labor government. But a survey from
Europe suggesting seventy five percent of people think their country
and society is broken. You can see what a small
green paradise at the bottom of the world might be

(00:52):
perceived as in Germany, they've announced an urgent expansion of
public shelters. There used to be two thousands of them
in the Cold War. They are now fire one hundred
and eighty, many of them not operational anymore. They're upgrading
those also working on metro stations and underground garages, so
that one million can take shelter what from well currently Russia.
So the push is on for five percent of GDP

(01:13):
spending on defense and a spruce up of shelters for
when the bad guys come. Then in Los Angeles looks
like a hellscape at the BIMA does the Fed's roll
into town to drag a lot of illegals out and
send them back to where they came from, Made of
course more complicated by the fact one a lot of
the economy is frequented by illegals doing jobs no one
else wants to do, too, a local government that's seen
the place fall apart socially because of homelessness and crime,

(01:34):
And three a central government that hates the local government
says very keen to send a message of toughness around
the illegals issue. How to know whether this is mainly
social or political? Are the pressures certainly on Trump to
boost the border and sort the migrant to shoe out.
Like a lot of what he promised, it hasn't happened,
so it may be convenient to do it in a
liberal state like California. Meantime, in Britain, the bill for

(01:56):
migrant hotels is blown out yet again, as has the
arrival numbers by boat. The other Saturday of the newest
record was over one thousand in one day from Calais alone.
They all go to hotels, and not at discounted rates.
See as troubled as bits of our place may be,
as angsty as we may get around all sorts of
different things that exercise as the National Guard are not
on the streets here. We don't have shelters, we don't

(02:18):
even have anyone about to invade us, and we don't
have boatloads of illegal all things considered, even if you
do think society is broken out but is holding up, Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
What news of the world in ninety seconds?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Can we start in the aforementioned la Trump now wants
everyone with a face mask arrested, the governors suing the president.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Donald Trump, at the end of the day, is the
sponsor of these conditions. He needs to stand down. Donald
Trump is inflaming these conditions. This is Donald Trump's problem
right now, and if he can't solve it, we will, so.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
MEI related matters. Elon's dad, Errol, who's in Russia, don't
ask has been asked about the Trump Musk bust up,
you know, stretched and so forth.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
We've all been there.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Everyone's been there. Who's over twenty years old.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
I've sent him several messages and he's replied to me,
don't worry, we're sorting it out.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Okay. A bit of war news War one in the
Middle East, Greta and the flotilla mates had predictably been
rounded up.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
Greta was not bringing age, she was bringing herself. And
she's not here for Garza. Let's be blunt about it.
She's here for Greta, you know, Paul Gretta. She's been
alien ate, She's alienated half of the world with the
Crying Wolf, and now she's looking for her next bandwagon.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
War II, the NATO secretary has gone to Chathamhouse pointed
out the Russians are spending quite a lot of money
on fighting and they might not need to poney up.

Speaker 7 (03:41):
Russia is really constituting. It's foruss with Chinese technology and
producing more of weapons faster than we thought. Russia produces
in three months what the Hall of NATO produces in
a year.

Speaker 8 (03:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
So then in Britain we got the big backdown that's
happened to ourbinight as Rachel rolls out of winter payment
for my the people she took it away from because
she couldn't afford it.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
Our public finances are now in a better position, which.

Speaker 8 (04:06):
Means that this year we're able to play the.

Speaker 9 (04:09):
Winter fuel payment to more pensioners.

Speaker 10 (04:11):
So nine million we'll receive it this year.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
No, they're not. Rachel Bednock sees it for what it is.

Speaker 11 (04:15):
We can all talk about what a new system can
look like, but the point is that liber have made
a mess and now they're having to.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
Clean it up. They put a lot of people through hardship,
people having to choose between heating and eating, and that's
just chaos.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Now, finally we've got the US Aviation newsed thrifty Traveler,
which is a website they've gone to research to American
United and Delta as in the Alliance found that they're
charging higher ticket prices for solo travelers than they are
if you're in a group. So for a ticket from
Chicago to Peoria, which is not really a long distance flight,
it's less than three hours to drive in any way,
for flying two hundred and sixty nine one way for

(04:47):
a solo traveler that it was one agy one if
you booked for two or more.

Speaker 12 (04:51):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
So since the report by Delta and United, they'd backtracked
on all of this removed the higher appears and thriftly
travelers say they're going to be monitoring. We meant to
make sure it's not temporary. That's ne the world in
ninety chats in London will talk about that. In the moment,
the Chinese and the US are in London to try
and sort out their mess and interesting numbers around the
Chinese economy, some of them good, some of them not
so good for you. In just a moment, twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
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Speaker 2 (05:23):
Bit of good news out of the US economy. You
New York Fed survey on consumer expectation one year inflation,
that look is down to three point two percent, so
people feeling moderately confident for now anyway. Fourteen past six,
you Haven Trunds Management, Greg Smith, Morning to you, Morning
to Mike. So London's where they're talking about it. Interesting

(05:43):
numbers out of China yesterday.

Speaker 12 (05:45):
You're always on London, and are you just a bit
of a reminder that Chinla's got a vested interest in
getting a deal done. You talk about inflation's a problem
in many places, but Trent's battling deflation.

Speaker 13 (05:55):
So you're there.

Speaker 12 (05:55):
Consumer prices down point one percent in May. Actually there's
the projection of the IMF that CPI and Chine's actually
going to average zero this year. They'd be the weakest
since the GFC in two thousand and nine. Food and
energy prices are still weighing screwing those. CPI looks a
bit better at point six percent. Price at the factory
to gate there down for a thirty second month, down

(06:16):
by three point three percent, and it's actually the most
nearly two years. Prices the coal mining energy down seventeen
percent plus. So yeah, basically my Chinese consumers are hunkering down.
There's obviously the property slump, and there's also lots of
sectors engaged in price wars, and so it's obviously news
recently about bid they've cut prices on a lot of
their models as much as thirty percent, So yeah, Beijing

(06:37):
is probably going to be conscious of they need to
get a trade deal done. Also preps introduce more stimulus,
and yeah, while the bestic sides under pressure, exports also
under the pump as well. So they rose a less
and expected four point eight percent through sixteen billion uistyles.
Crehaps no surprise given the tariffs of the US. They're
down from nosebleed levels but still there, and they fell

(06:58):
the most more than five years. They were down thirty
four percent, so that count directed a rise in other markets.
Imports over down as well, but Chrya still running trade services.
It's earning about half a trillion dollars a year to date,
but that could easily dissipate if this uneasy truce, if
the US should we say, falls over and should tell

(07:18):
us of other country kickback and that we have demanduplications.
So certainly got an interest in getting these trade talks
over the line. Of course, the reprieve runs out in August,
and it has been reported that they've extended a few
more olive branches as it were, so doing a bit
on rare ifs, and also Boeing is back from the
coal that's begun deliveries of commercial jets. So yeah, but

(07:39):
always on London, Mic.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, we'll stand by. In Japan, they're going backwards as well.

Speaker 12 (07:44):
Yeah, they are as well. She's obviously another big export nation,
which is hasn't a deal with the US yet, but
we shouldn't getting one done so GDP. They actually fell
least the initial reading y point two percent in the
March quarter after a point seven decline point seventercent to
climb that was estimated earlier. But he certainly want those
trade talks to be resolved. They've got a ten percent

(08:06):
reciprocal tariff, of course, but a much more meaty twenty
five percent tariff on the auto sector. I suppose one
thing in their favor. Trump's been going on about how
Japan would always fight to keep the end week. Well,
the ends actually increased eight percent outs to the US
dollars year. Obviously, they've pivoted away from that negative interest
rate policy last year, so that's sort of helping the currency.

(08:26):
So yeah, there's gonna be a lot of eyes on
talks there, including from the Bank of Japan. They meet
next week. They slash their growth and inflation forecasts at
the last meeting at the start of May. They have
better deflation in the past. But I suppose one bit
of good news for them as inflation is above the
Bank of Japan's two percent target and it's been there
for basically three years, so that's positive. They'll give them

(08:47):
room to raise rates, although of course tariffs are complicating
these plans. So yeah, lots of interesting news Japan trade
talks as well.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
And then we come back home yet more celebration. When
does it end? How good can it be? Those red
meat numbs?

Speaker 12 (09:00):
A yeah, absolutely, you talk about the good news stories
in New Zealand. Of course we've had the dairy sector,
but the agreece sector in general is doing well, and
of course there was a lot of fears about how
the red meat would do given Trump's tariffs and how
they would impact sales to the US. Well, in April
they sedged thirty nine percent to three hundred and forty
four million. That was down around about fifty million from March.

(09:21):
But to put that in context, that was a global
record for any month, and this is according to the
Meat Industry Association. So there's also reports of ingenuity there Mike,
that they're mixing sort of American beef with New Zealand
beef for hambig burger paddies. But look over all, looks
like the red meat sectors in pretty good. Nick, So
total revenue is one point two billion, that was up
thirty four percent year on year. It was a little

(09:42):
bit lower from one point two six in March, but
it was also a record month.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Volumes actually lower, but.

Speaker 12 (09:47):
Yeah, it's all about the high prices that's really making
up for that. And all major markets grew outside the
US as well. So you look at China that's the
next biggest sales there at nine percent, two fifty three
million UK up fifty six percent. Netherlands nearly doubled, Germany
up one hundred and sixty percent. So yeah, it's good
news for the New Zealand farmers.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Mike, I like it. What are the numbers at the.

Speaker 12 (10:08):
Minute, also a bit of good news here. It's up
a quarter of percent, forty two eight sixty nine s
and P five hundred up point two eight percent. Na's
deck up point four percent, forty one hundred bit softer
down point one percent, nick A up point nine percent.
Hang seeing on those numbers, and perhaps more stimulus coming
was up one point six percent A six two hundred
that was closed. INSIDEX fifty we were down point two percent,
twelve five three nine, gold up twenty five bucks three thousand,

(10:32):
three hundred and thirty five US dollars and out oil
up forty five cents. That's sixty five even a bell
and the currency markets, Hey and I have a good
news story as well. For the Kiwi dollar. We're up
zero point seven percent against the US, sixty point five,
ninety two point eight against the Australian dollar, forty four
point six against the British pound, and eighty seven point
four against the Japanese Gunires would be a good good

(10:52):
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Ozzie Television not like it hasn't been well speculated on
for years now, but yesterday they finally pulled the trigger
on the project. As in the television show Channel ten Australia.
It was the same as the project here on TV three,
and the pulled the plug on that they really had
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Steve Price, of course, has been part of the show
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I don't know what I'll do on Monday night.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Side at the Times, by the way, a bunch of
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programs and the six pm news are now run out

(13:26):
of Sydney. Melbourne is the big loser today and the
city will never get back what it had ever again.
Good luck to them sounds to me, he talks about Sydney,
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Those ignorant people doing the glad they got Sacks dance
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(14:53):
lost something unique this week, A live TV show with passion, courage,
humor and heart. It he sums up sad that's very
well put, Steven. He's still got work on this program
for as long as he wants. By the way, businesses,
business sales are booming. Everyone wants a chunk of this action.
I'll give you some numbers and we'll talk more about

(15:13):
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Speaker 1 (15:17):
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
Someone coming up, and of course the ongoing discussion around
the wall and funding and Katherine Field's all over that.
So she's with a short and meantime at twenty four
minutes away from seven. The business of sales of business
seems to be booming. Our buyer inquiries are up thirty percent,
listings down ten percent. So you've got to demand out
stripping supply issue there, I guess. Chris Small is the
CEO of ABC Business Sales and as well as Chris,
morning to you.

Speaker 16 (15:48):
Wait, Mikey, you don't very well.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Indeed, this has been happening for a while. We've had
you on several times out so this is this is
a thing, This is a trend. Is that fair?

Speaker 16 (15:55):
Yeah, we just we just hit a record month in May.
We had forty two business sales in May, which is
the most we've ever had. So it's, as you rightly
point out in your first sort of statement, their demand
is sort of well, I almost call it out of control.
It's the highest we've ever seen in business sales history.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Currently, who are these people and what do they want?

Speaker 16 (16:17):
Yep, great question. So pretty much led by the migrants.
So is a huge ethnic element to this or a
lot of Indian, Chinese and Filipinos are coming to New
Zealand and wanting to buy businesses. And then if we
do it, we've do a sector analysis, you'll see hospitality, services,
and construction are probably the three leading sectors that they're

(16:40):
looking to buy it. They would make up over fifty
as well as retails. You got hospitality thirty percent, retail
eighteen percent, services fifteen percent, So that's over fifty percent
from those three sectors.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So explain to me then, because the number of people
coming to the country is starting to tail off, would
you then expect the number of people looking to purchase
businesses starting to tail off? Then it's all immigration.

Speaker 16 (17:01):
Good good question. What we're seeing is that people are
still arriving in New Zealand. From what we can see,
those people arriving in New Zealand are largely Asian migrants,
and the people that are leaving New Zealand are probably
largely European pakiha going to Europe for their own way.
So you sort of the people arriving and still wanting
to buy businesses and the people leaving a probably people

(17:22):
who would never buy businesses in the first place. So
just the shape of the population is trending towards I
guess a certain element to wield it's best business ownership
with bes. The young ones leaving would never buy a
business because they don't have the money currently.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
No exactly. So the interesting thing for me is this
unemployment side of the equation. So immigration is a cultural thing.
They don't want to work for somebody else, They want
to work for themselves. Fully get that as an unemployed person.
Though if I'm looking then all of a sudden at
the business, do I know what I'm doing?

Speaker 16 (17:51):
Yeah, they're pretty good. I mean everyone's obviously got obviously
we provide advice. People have got their own accountants and lawyers.
But it's becoming a real thing. They would people are
coming to us and going, you know what I'm sick of.
I'm sick of working for a big corporate. It's too
woke or it's too annoying. I don't like my boss,
and I want that financial freedom with Actually, if they
work really hard, you get rewarded. If you don't work hard, you'

(18:12):
obviously going to be a better trouble Versus in corporate
New Zealand, you can probably work pretty hard and not
necessarily get rewarded for the hours you put in.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
If you've got a good business, a going concern, see
I mean, how many of your stock are kind of
it could go well if you did it better, versus
it's not a great business anyway, Versus this thing's booming
and it'll sell in three minutes.

Speaker 16 (18:34):
Look, majority of what we sell is all profitable because
no one buys a businesses that's making a loss. So
we always say that to people who may come and
see us, that you know, there's no point taking us
to market because no one's going to want to buy it.
There are exceptions to the rule, but to the majority
of what we sell are full going concerns, which which
are highly profitable, and that's way they're selling otherwise there's

(18:55):
no point taking it to market.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Are the banks and on board with the stuff? Is
their money for this kind of activity if you want?

Speaker 16 (19:00):
Absolutely yeah, we'll look at the bank's a funny things
that they love. We all know they love making money
and given the recent decline and property transactions, they've really
moved towards what we call sme business and have been
very happy to accommodate transactions, you know, but they're sensible.
They're not going to lend to bad, bad transactions.

Speaker 13 (19:18):
Both.

Speaker 16 (19:18):
It's a sensible transaction. The bank's absolutely absolutely there for it.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Do you do a sauna and cold plunge every day?

Speaker 8 (19:26):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (19:26):
I do?

Speaker 16 (19:26):
Who told you that?

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I know? I know everything, Chris, and and you would
speak well of it and you're a better person for
the experience.

Speaker 16 (19:34):
Oh. I could not speak more high of you doing
it for five years and it is probably the best
thing I do in my twenty four hours each day year.
Couldn't couldn't recommend it more?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Good on you mate. Well go well, we'll see you,
saying Chris Mall, who's the ABC Business sales CEO. Cold
plunge and a sauna each and every day, you can't
go wrong. Let's go to Catherine and France in a
moment and nat a big, big meaning coming up of course.
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Speaker 17 (21:03):
Last mortgages.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Speaking of money, as we were a moment ago, Quby
Bank have joined the throng one year four eight nine,
two year four nine five, three and six months at
five to nine. And what's happening here, and this is
where the commentary is interesting, is it's all internal competition
at the moment. So nothing's really happened externally, i e.
The RB, This is just banks scrapping for market share,

(21:25):
thus indicating I would have thought it. Nichola willis as listening.
There is competition among the banks anyway, until we see
something more substantive from the RB. This is about where
we're at. If we see something to break four five
they reckon four point five for a mortgage, you're going
to need to see the RB move and move substantially
next time around. That hasn't happened yet, so now it's
just internal banking competition.

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Speaker 2 (21:53):
Captain Field, morning to you. Good morning mate. So I
noticed that Rutter was at Chathamhouse and talking about the
expenditure and how we all need to pay more for defense.
And we've got the NATO meetings, So this sort of
building up to a head of steam here.

Speaker 10 (22:07):
We're right at the start of quite a few summits
make because don't forget, of course, we've got the G
seven summit in Canada coming up in a week. We've
then got the NATO summit in the Hague the week
after that, so we're really looking at these high stakes summits,
which we're going to, of course have US President Donald
Trump coming along to that and having his say about

(22:28):
how the Western allis should be acting. The big one,
of course is that NATO summit a critical moment for
global security. We've got Trump unpredictable. We've here in Europe
got fears that the US could sort of militarily disengage
from Europe, perhaps even start pulling out as they pivot

(22:50):
more towards Asia. So that is exactly what Rutta is
saying today. He's saying, you know what, you can wish
all you like, but wishful thinking, we'll not keep safe.
He said, you can't dream this danger away. What he's
proposing is that NATO members, all thirty two of them,
move very quickly to that two percent GDP spenditure on defense,

(23:14):
and then by twenty thirty that two percent of GDP
moves up to five percent, so it will be about
three and a half percent on military expenditure. And here's
the other interesting new but Mike, one point five percent
for defense related items. So that would be you know, bridges, roads, airfields, seaports,
things like that, which he says, you know, and of

(23:36):
course also which we've seen in Ukraine in the last
what six or seven months, you know, Europe has got
to start thinking more about long range missiles and drones.
And one of the big things he said was when
it comes to ammunition, Russia produces in three months what
the whole of NATO produces in a year.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's funny businesses. And I mentioned earlier on in the
programs reading a piece out of Germany yesterday, and they're
refurbing some of those underground bunkers, underground garages and stuff.
How angsty is Europe, you know, genuinely angsty that Russian's
going further than Ukraine and we need to you know,
refurbish underground bunkers there is you know.

Speaker 10 (24:13):
It kind of gets more angsty the closer to Russia
you get. If you talk to defense experts, say in
the Baltic States, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, I mean, they're really nervous. Finland,
of course you join NATO, which no one thought it
would do, same as Sweden. So they're really angsty because
they see that the Russian bear is angry. They've seen

(24:36):
that there was no pulling back after that big Ukrainian
operation in Russia last week where they knocked out all
these military aircraft.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
They are really worried.

Speaker 10 (24:47):
Certainly when you hear what the French are saying about
the need for the nuclear deterrent to be up to speed,
the question of sharing nuclear de terrant, it is pretty
angsty and there's nothing to to make them think otherwise
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Speaking of get together as marine, Lapin's been holding a
you know, a little gathering of the like mind and
does that achieve She's not in I mean Salbini, I
guess isn't power and stuff to what does this achieve?

Speaker 10 (25:13):
Well, it shows not just for Marine Lapenn but also
for aubound from Hungary and Salveni. It shows that they're
a united front. They're all They're meeting just south of Paris,
have been meeting all day. They've got some six thousand
of their supporters down there, and it's showing that these
are friends across Europe, they've got friends in the US

(25:34):
and the Trump administration, and that their influence is that
is really growing. That's essentially the message they want.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
To give out.

Speaker 10 (25:44):
They're saying that, of course the ninth of June is
victory day for them, because it was ninth of June
last year the European elections that saw Mahine Leapin's party
do so well in the European parliamentary elections. And of
course it was a day since just like yesterday, but
it was a year ago that French presidents Emanuel Maccron
dissolve Parliament, which of course led to Marine Leapenn and

(26:06):
her party having such a big say in French politics.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Always good to have you on the program, Katayin Catherine
Field out of France FORERRUS this morning.

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Speaker 2 (26:18):
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with us on the program. Shawn Johnson too, looking for
to catch up life post league and how he must
be enjoying Metcalf and the team at the moment. So
he's with us after right, Mike just spoke. He just
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Speaker 2 (26:57):
So how are we doing at the moment? How are
we feeling economically? The number of this making withdrawals from
Kiwi Saber for the hardship that's up. Total amount withdrawn
is up, So that's an indication that times are type
for some inland revenue number show this is between July
of last year. By the way, in April of this year,
three hundred and ninety million was withdrawn for hardship reasons.
Three hundred ninety million. That's increased from three hundred million

(27:19):
the year before. So three hundred to three ninety three
ninety is going to forty four thousand people, which is
up from thirty two thousand, five hundred some more people
getting more money. Now what that means is if you'll
say thirty five as an age, we're twenty two k
in the Kiwi Saber, and you take out twenty by
the time you sixty five, you're going to have seventy
four thousand dollars less than your account. So the consequential

(27:40):
decisions you're making. But and this is where some of
the drama around this needs to be put in some
sort of context. There are, of course three point three
to three million of us in Kiwi Saber. So how
many is that pulling money on hardship one point three percent,
So in other words, ninety eight point seventy fine, thank
you very much, So let's not you know, can get
overly carried away about that. Then I come to my
favorite set of numbers for the morning from MB and

(28:03):
this is all sorts of interesting about income and the
cost of a mortgage in various parts of the country,
depending on where you live. Northland, for example, Northland, you
got well. I mean the headline would be eleven percent
of the population are on job seeker, so you think,
what a dump? What's going wrong? You know a lot
of people with no work in Northland, and yet the
average household incomes one hundred and twenty three thousand, nine hundred.
Le's call one hundred and twenty four thousand dollars. Forty

(28:25):
eight percent of your median income is servicing a mortgage.
You go to a place like Auckland, are you're earning
on average household income one hundred and fifty five GDP
per capita is eighty eight point three, but you're paying
half your money on your mortgage. Why would you want
to live in orcs if you can't afford to live
in Aukland? Where you living in Auckland? Because there are
so many bitter places around the country where you can
earn more and the cost of living's cheap. For hawks

(28:46):
Bay average incomes one hundred and fifty it's about the
same as Auckland, so you're in the same amount of
money on average in Hawks Bay and the weekly rents
six hundred and seventy dollars GDP per capita sixty five
thousand dollars, So you're doing better in a place like
Hawk's Bay and dere I suggest the fruit's nicer because
it's grown locally. Wellington one hundred and sixty two thousand. Mind,
you got to live in Wellington. Yes, you're inning a
lot of money, big money in Wellington because you'll work

(29:07):
for the government. But you've got to know you've got
to be in Wellington. Unemployment's four point eight percent, so
despite all the noise around the government laying all the
people off, it's not actually a bad number. Canterbury Boom
Time second best regional economic performance of courses you would
expect average income in Canterbury's one hundred and thirty two
thousand dollars. Second. Now, this is the thing about these numbers.

(29:28):
Second most optimistic in the country Canterbury. So that's not
a surprise. Do you know what the most optimistic region
in the country is Auckland. Explain that to me. How
do you do it? But Otago go in one hundred
and twenty two thousand dollars. In Otago, you're laughing, or
if you want to laugh even more, go in an
average one hundred and eleven thousand dollars in Southland and

(29:51):
it will only take twenty nine percent of your income
to serve us and mortgage, so you're earning good money.
Your mortgage costs next to nothing because you're cost of
your house and gdpeople at Captain is eighty three point
six and that'll leave the Deary of course. So there's
lots of different places in New Zealand, and there are
lots of people in this country that could do whatever
they do anywhere they want if they wanted to move.

(30:13):
So why so many people apart themselves in Auklanne They
got no real idea Teachers. More good news on teachers.
Speaking of income, let me tell you about the income
for teachers in just a couple of moments. But we've
got some very good news around teachers. The Education Minister
with us next.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
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Speaker 2 (30:38):
There'd be only seven to past seven from our numbers.
Don't lie file good news from education as we find
out we have more teachers entering schools than in the
past twenty years. So the workforce has grown by eighteen
hundred last year, largest year on year increase since two
thousand and nine, that's when records began. Education Minister Erica
Stamford's with us morning, come on, correct me if I'm wrong.
Eighteen hundred and sixty four in total eleven twenty eight

(30:58):
and primary seven thirty six secondary. Is that balanced? Is
that sort of what we need?

Speaker 9 (31:04):
That is sort of what we need, and it is
starting to plug a gap. And you know, we're creating
this world leading education system people want to be a
part of. We do have a shortage of primary and
secondary school teachers, and I think that these numbers are
starting to arrest that decline and more people are wanting
to get into education to change lives.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
What's changed, Well, there's.

Speaker 9 (31:25):
A number of factors that have changed, but I mean, essentially,
teachers want to go into teaching right to change lives,
and we are helping them to do that. We've got
a world leading curriculum, all of the incredible resources for
free that go along with it, all of this amazing
world leading professional learning and development, and just announce this
huge learning support package and that has certainly helped. Look

(31:48):
on top of that, we've invested really heavily into on
site training programs, We're paying teacher fees. You know, there's
a number of things that have gone into making this
a profession that people want to go into. We're really
focused on making sure that we're talking up how incredible
it is to be a teacher and to change lives.
But I think a big part of it is all

(32:10):
of the resourcing that's going in at the moment.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
What's the breakdown at locals v immigrants and does it matter?

Speaker 9 (32:17):
Look, I certainly want to grow our own. We know
that last year we had a substantial increase, just over
six point three percent increase in young people studying at
initial teacher education. This year, this is just provisional figures
so far, it's a twenty seven percent increase. So we
are seeing more and more young people choosing to go

(32:39):
into education and be part of this world leading education system.
But we are bolstering the numbers, of course by overseas teachers.
Then we have to do that at the moment and
we probably will continue to need to do into the
future as well.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
If you gave the numbers for the average income for
a teacher. Do you think most people, like my good
self would be surprised at the figures?

Speaker 13 (32:59):
Well?

Speaker 9 (33:00):
Duh it Now when I ask people what do you
think it is, they always guess a lot lower, which
I think is telling. But the numbers are. You know,
it is a tough job, and we do expect a
huge amount of our teachers, and they are changing lives,
and so we need to be making sure we're paying
them more every single pay round, which we've committed to do.
But I don't think most people do know what the

(33:20):
average teacher.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Is on ninety four for a primary teacher, average one
hundred and one for a secondary teacher a principal at
secondary two hundred thousand dollars. That's serious money.

Speaker 9 (33:31):
Yeah, well, and and they work extraordinarily hard for that
and they do an amazing job.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Good. Well, I'm glad we're getting somewhere. We're on a
path here, Erica. Do you think we are?

Speaker 9 (33:42):
And Mike, I've been overseas and I have been the
Minister's of Education from all around the world come up
to me. They know what we're doing, they're watching what
we're doing. We are world leading in our curriculum and
in our resourcing and our shifts in the way that
we're teaching to that explicit structured learning. People are watching us.
It is world leading and it's exciting to be a.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Part of good. All right, Nice to talk to your
Ministry of Education at Erica Stamford. Remember those words next
time you hear a unionist on the news. Ten minutes
past seven PASKI report from the Ministerial Advisory Group on
Organized Crime. This is the third one. Turns out we're
not as free of corruption as we might think. There's
a warning around bribery and coercion of police and immigration officials.
Now Steve Simon, of course, is the chair of this
Ministerial Advisory Group and he's back with us. Morning.

Speaker 18 (34:24):
Good morning to you mate.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
This growing body of evidence quote unquote that you find,
what is it?

Speaker 18 (34:31):
It's from everywhere. What we're seeing is talking to the
most senior officials in our government enforcement agencies. We're talking
to former gang members, we're talking to frontline staff. Everywhere
we look. We're seeing this problem of organized crime, and
we're seeing it seep into all areas of business which

(34:56):
deal with the potential for drugs coming into the country.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
A corrupt nation or is that going over the top.

Speaker 18 (35:04):
We are a country that's become in corrupt. We were
proudly the number one country in the world in terms
of the least amount of corruption. We've dropped down to
number four, and we're unfortunately trending in the wrong direction.
But more than that, I think what we're seeing is
we used to be a country where I think we
genuinely could trust one another to keep up the values

(35:27):
of our country, and sadly, I think it's being eroded.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
When we use the word corruption, are you sure of
what you're onto? In other words, when you talk to
an XT gang member and they're going to god knows
what they're going to say, So you're confident of what
you're discovering here that we are increasingly corrupt.

Speaker 18 (35:44):
Yes, If we talked to most senior officials and the
police and customs and we ask them of the large
scale drug importations, of the large scale legal tobacco importations,
how many of them involve a corrupt official? It is
by far the vast majority of those cases. Wow, the
organized crime could not work in New Zealand without the

(36:05):
benefit of corrupt insiders.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Is it on the inside of the border. In other words,
I can see the port, the airport, I get all
of that. I see the Pacific, But beyond that are
we corrupt internally? So to speak.

Speaker 18 (36:18):
It's a very good point, Mike. It starts at the border,
but we are now seeing it trending into immigration advisors,
into lawyers, into accountants, into police officials, and so what
we're seeing is it's starting to follow a trend which
we're seen in other countries around the world, where it
begins at your ports, because it's the most valuable and

(36:40):
it works into all levels of organization of our nation.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
These reports, your third one, now that you're handing to
Minister Costello, her eyes bulging out of her head yet
or did she sort of know this anyway?

Speaker 18 (36:54):
A bit of both. I think for anyone, anyone who's
been doing this a long time, you expect the problem
to be bad. Minister Castelle obviously had a long career
in the police, and so she knows some of the
depth of the problem. But I think either for myself
as a prosecutor for two decades, even I'm surprised at

(37:16):
some of the stories we are hearing and the gravity
of the problem as it is now.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
All right, sobering, good to maybe on we'll get you
on for a report. Number four Steve Simon, chair of
the Ministerial Advisory Group. Could be the education feedbacks piling
and we'll have some of that shortly, but we need
to get to tourism. Another announcement, many more millions into
it yesterday to try and get us back to where
we once were. Give you the detail shortly fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
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Speaker 2 (37:42):
B Mark Robinson out of Rugby after seven point thirty,
Seawn Johnson, now of Legue after eight to sixteen past
seven more money for tourism. Of course, we've got another
thirteen and a half million. This will target visitors from Australia,
the US and China. They're wanting seventy two thousand visitors
in return for the thirteen and a half million, and
they're thinking three hundred million dollars in spending. So those
numbers add up. Grant Webster is the boss of course

(38:03):
of tourism, holdings back with us. Grant morning to you,
good morning. So this is the second tranch they've announced.
Are you liking what you're seeing. Is this the way
to go?

Speaker 13 (38:13):
Oh one hundred percent. Look, this is the most ambitious
government we've had from a tourism perspective for probably, you know,
eight years. So yeah, we're really buoyed by the opportunity
to help grow the economy.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
It's going to go to spend. Will they come?

Speaker 13 (38:26):
I think absolutely. I think we've got to remember, I
think I've said this to you before. We're very, very
competitive on a global basis. Right We've got to keep
up with Australia that's got more air capacity, that's looking
really cheap right now. And here's a good marketing proposition
as well. So we need to spend to keep up.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
And do the numbers add up? If you spend thirteen
and a half million on seventy two thousand people, do
they spend three hundred million dollars?

Speaker 13 (38:50):
Look, I think on the dollar pervis that has spent. Absolutely,
we're seeing that trend and that's the right way to go.
The question is can we get enough air capacity into
New Zealand textually those number of people through And the
answer is should be able to. It's looking tight for
the next twelve months, so that's probably something else we
need the government to help look at again overseas, Australia's

(39:12):
investing tremendous amounts of money getting new capacity in new
ecpacity equals great.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, do we have a regionality problem that you've got
some sort of magic answer to. I mean, Queenstown's booming
the sum of the rest of the country isn't What
do we do about that or do we need to
do anything at all? Or it is what it is.

Speaker 13 (39:30):
Look, it is what it is to an extent. But
the market will rectify that, right so that the airlines
will move to the different regions. The marketing will push
to the different regions. You've got the North Island initiative
where a number of the regions are coming together, so
that the market will make that shift. I'm quite confident
that over a short period of.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Time, good are you bullish?

Speaker 13 (39:52):
Generally for Australia and New Zealand, tourisms.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Lifetimes, travel, aeroplanes, people spend the whole kit kabool.

Speaker 13 (40:02):
They want to Absolutely, people still want to. Right, we
have still got a COVID hangover where we're not even
back to one hundred percent of the visitor numbers that
we had pre COVID. We will get there. It's a
growth opportunity for the economy.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Good stuff, grump, nice to have you on the programs.
Almost grant Webster tourism holdings with us this morning. Mike's
so brilliant to hear an excited, competent minister totally on
top of a portfolio, Mike, mid thirties Here, lots of
my mates are getting into teaching as their current industries
are falling. Over one year extra study on top of
the previous degree, secure employment and good cash straight into
the job, Mike, world leading. Our results are not world leading.

(40:36):
I think you're missing the point there. She's been in
charge for a year and a half, picked up a mess,
and in a year and a half is turning things round.
The results aren't in yet, they will be if we're
on the right track. We're watching it evolve. I think
that's the key to it all. Seven twenty.

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combo innovation leaders since the year two thousand asking seven
twenty four. The problem with committing to things that may
well come back to haunt you is down the track.
At some point the mistake starts to hit you in
the face of bit and some hard decisions are required.
Now my sense of it, as we've become too reliant
on pine trees to meet Paris as in the a court.
Now the sheep farmers you might have noticed this week,
have worked that out as the protests around land conversion

(42:25):
are once again been reignited, with posters up around the
countryside put up by the meat and woolfolk, with the
line on the posters saying I am not the problem.
Since nineteen eighty two. Here's some fun facts for you.
Since nineteen eighty two, we've gone from seventy million sheep
to twenty five. In the last seven years a quarter
of a million hectares have been swapped from sheep to trees. This,

(42:46):
of course, was always going to happen. What's the easiest way?
Ask yourself, what's the easiest way to meet a target
on carbon trees? Cutting and slashing, whether it's farm production
or the economy in general, was never going to be palatable.
So trees were easy. But you might have noticed. A
couple of major things have happened. One, Paris looks increasingly
shaking in terms of people meeting targets, indeed people even
being interested in meeting targets. And two, stuff grown on

(43:08):
the land with legs is fetching very, very very good
money all over the world. At the moment, as far
as us earning a living goes, we have never made
more from farming. Carbon offsetting, which is what planting trees
is called, has restrictions. In other countries. They only let
you do it to a limited degree. Here you can
do it as much as you want, but I bet
you anything you want. Other countries aren't as reliant on
sheep and cows as we are. We used to have tourism,

(43:30):
as you've just heard, We used to have tourism back
us up. But last week's numbers tell a very sad story.
Dairy twenty billion, tourism twelve awful comes in at nine.
For God's sake, tourism used to vie for first place.
Hence the government, as we've just mentioned, through another thirteen
millionaire it yesterday to try and attrack these seventy thousand people.

(43:50):
Trees also kill communities. Farming as life a forest isn't
as laudable as Paris was all those years ago. If
we had thought about it, if we'd been less evangelical,
we might have stopped to think just what it was
we were asking of a small economy. And the simple
truth is we were asking so much. A quick short
cut like trees was always going to be adopted with alacrity.

(44:12):
Saving the planet as people get tossed off the land
is not an equation we should be proud of. As
the protest poster says with a photo of the sheep
on it, I am not the problem, and they're right.
The zalots are pasking I lived in Auckland or my life, Mike,
it's turned into a you know what hole. I want
to move to Central Otarga to get as far away
as I can. We'll do it. Go get into it,

(44:32):
life short, Mike. These regional average incomes surprise me. They are,
as you say, very good. I wonder how many of
those work remotely or commute back to Auckland based businesses.
Doesn't really matter. You earn what you earn, isn't it, Mike?
Where are you getting these numbers from? I knew that
would happen where are you getting these numbers from? Heaven forbid?
We present So I'm getting the numbers from envy, from
the ministry, from the government. These are people who pay

(44:53):
out the numbers. They don't make the numbers up. And
you're giving me most of my friends, I know it.
Don't give me the most of my friends. Some of
us know some people, some of us know other people.
Averages or averages, those are the averages. There's no reason
to disbelieve that Mike teachers pay great news to hear
teachers have been recognized for the work they do. It's
definitely not nine to three, many work weekends as well

(45:15):
more children with diverse needs and low support from outside agencies. No,
there's no question about that teachers work exceedingly hard. I'm
on the losing side of the argument that great teachers
have always been great, and they deserve much, much, much
more money than they actually get, and some of the
poor teachers don't deserve as much. But that whole you know,
you earn what you pay, and you pay what you
earn argument seems to have been lost as the union

(45:37):
swamp us all with a one size fits all model.
Mark Robinson he has decided after six or seven years.
He's off to Australia and his time at the New
Zealand Rugby Union is over as of the end of
this year. We have a talk about that after the news,
which is next. You're on the make Hosking just.

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Speaker 2 (46:07):
Not one of these renewable power stories are Loadstone Energy
yesterday announced that this is Tamuka in the South Island,
of course in Canterbury, that they're going big on the solar.
So that's that's their first solo as far as I know.
So part of this unfolding an ongoing story. Shortly twenty
three minutes away from Make now the resignation from New
Center Rugby of CEO Marc Robinson I got made public yesterday.

(46:27):
Of course he'll see out the year then he's off
to Australia. So the six Robinson years, what did we get?
Mike Robinson is with us. Very good morning to you boy.

Speaker 17 (46:35):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Was there a moment or has it sort of been
building to this?

Speaker 8 (46:40):
I think it is, I said yesterday, with the family
being based in Australia now for the last few months, probably.

Speaker 16 (46:48):
In the last one or two months.

Speaker 8 (46:51):
Certainly turn of mind to thinking about dealing with him
more and and then that combined with when I look
ahead at the role, these next six months are really
critical for the role on the international stage and domestically,
we have the opportunity to reset our financial model here
in New Zealand we've talked a lot about over the
last few years, and then we're heavily involved in the

(47:14):
establishment of the international calendars and competitions. So I'd love
to think that by the end of the year those
two things to sign off. And I just feel that
the combination of those things, two things together might mean
it's time to move.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, how did your family end up in Australia. I
don't want to get to a person. I'm just interested,
that's all because it's been a thing. It's been a
theme in this country, hasn't it, People moving offshore?

Speaker 19 (47:34):
It does seem to be.

Speaker 8 (47:35):
Yeah, well, look, you know, my eldest went off to
university there not long ago, and then my second ended
up the inn. Our youngest and my wife have ended
up there. I don't want to get into too much details.
So essentially, yeah, it's a combination really of education and
opportunities and.

Speaker 13 (47:58):
Lifestyle.

Speaker 8 (47:58):
I suppose as it relates to my kids and wife and.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Seeing them.

Speaker 8 (48:03):
You know, I'm only seeing them every four to five
weeks at the moment, that's suboptimal in terms of, you know,
how we want to live our family life. So I'm
looking forward to being with them full time from sort
of January Februy onwards.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Have you got a plan?

Speaker 8 (48:19):
No, Look, I'm really I really focused on what the
next six months has for us, and it's an incredible
opportunity for the game here and internationally. I dare say,
you know, when the time gets closer to the end
of the year, I might open my mind a bit
more to it. There's yeah, they sent me in the
last twenty four hours. Been overwhelmed by the messages that

(48:40):
have come in, you know, internationally and from different parts
of the world, and you know, some of those may
lead to things or not, but at the moment I'm
not too worried about that.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
That's nice. So we've talked twice, I figured in the
last month. Once was on sponsorship and once was on
you guys losing money. What's that tell us about our
time under you, I think.

Speaker 8 (49:05):
A desire to acknowledge that the game needed change and
to work really hard towards implementing that change. And the
change was centered largely on the game modernizing and being
more focused on the fans, more focused on participants as
it relates to community, and trying to rapidly adapt the

(49:27):
sport while keeping one foot I guess in the legacy
and history of the game and the things that we
all love about our sport that have made it so
special here, but acknowledging we simply have to evolve as
a modern sporting organization and code for that matter. And look,
some of that stuff's gone, you know really well, Mike,
and I'm Trudi to be proud about it. Some of

(49:48):
it certainly had challenges in terms of working through those
processes because we were looking to change so rapidly. And
I think the other thing I'd probably add to that
was the COVID time. I reflected yesterday with p I'm
just so incredibly proud as I look back and think
about how we got through that as probably one of
the most lockdown countries in the world where sport and

(50:08):
entertainment was affected massively and we've come through that with
really impressive revenue growth. We've invested in all levels of
the game. We've led the world in a number of
different areas as it relates to player welfare and brain
and concussion research. We've led conversations on international calendars, and
we've seen, you know, right through to the community game.

(50:30):
We've started to see the progress of participation numbers coming
right up, and we've led there as well as it
relates to four match trials. The need to really be
progressive in that space too. So, you know, all of
those things I'm incredibly proud of, and you know, I
just want to make sure I stay focused on this
next six months because hopefully I can look back then

(50:50):
with a couple of other big projects tacked off.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
There's two ways of looking at the COVID period. One,
you dealt with what you were, you know, handed, and
you handled it. You would argue, well, the other way
to look at it, did it have to be as
restrictive as it was? And therefore were you hobbled more
than you needed to be?

Speaker 8 (51:09):
You mean by the restrictions that were put in place? Yeah,
well that's you know, I think there were debate about
that for a long long time. We certainly worked with
the government as much as we could through that time
to get you know, as much rugby played and as
much movement of our people into environments where they could play.

(51:30):
And you know, it's well documented to are reasons why
that didn't happen sometimes, but I think we worked the
best we possibly could with the hand we were dealt.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
The Kirk comments the other day about participation being the
really big issue for your sport, as you right, just.

Speaker 8 (51:48):
Look at a foundational level in terms of the future
of the game. The you know, the more people you've
got coming in the base of the game and the
pipeline at the bottom, the more people you've got engaged
in the sport as potential future for athletes and fans
of the game. So yes, an absolutely critical level. The
more the more people we have actively thinking about the

(52:08):
game and connected to the better. So it's certainly a
key plank of our strategy. When we look at our strategy,
these really three key parts. One is the area that
David talked about in terms of the base of the
pyramid of the game too, is winning on the international stage.
It drives so much value and free is how we
think with fans domestically in overseas, because that drives the

(52:28):
value and the revenue growth that we're starting to see
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I've got Crusaders Chiefs in the final, with the Crusaders
to win. That about right, you would?

Speaker 8 (52:39):
I mean, I don't like to show my bis is
too often and these settings might but I look, I
think it could go either way, and I'll sit on
the fence again on this one. But I know I
wouldn't be surprised to see any number of finals mession at.
It's in an awesome competition, hasn't it. And I think
that's another thing where we're proud of we've led, you know,
the change of the product you know, internationally, and we're
starting to see that in the last couple of of

(53:00):
Super Special this year, and we're really proud of what
the entertainment factor of the sport looks like at the moment.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Good stuff, all right, We'll go well and we'll talk
before you leave. I'm sure. Mark Robinson, the outgoing New
Zealand Rugby CEO, in a moment one of the more
fascinating pieces I've read, probably in several weeks, about how
the outside see New Zealand. And that's regards Robinson leaving
for Australia. Not everyone's leaving for Australia. A lot of
people are coming into New Zealand. So more on that
in the moment.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
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Speaker 2 (53:31):
It'd be thirteen away from h so Liz Rolison writes
for The Daily Telegraph yesterday we swap the UK for
New Zealand and feel better off already now. Brits in
the year to December fifty six hundred Brits arrived in
the country, but forty five hundred left, so that's a
gain of what eleven hundred and the increase in outbound

(53:54):
moves this year so far for twenty four which worries me.
They report a notable shift away. This is John Mason
International Report, a notable shipped away from Auckland more British
migrants choosing Christius Wellington Hamilton. So that's fine. So if
we spread people around the country, that's all the better anyway.
The article focuses on Robert and sabrema Eaton, who came

(54:14):
to us from Chippingham and Wiltshire and They landed in
the Fungi Parah, which is on the mighty High Biscus
Coast north of Auckland, and they were on holiday in
New Zealand. They liked the scenery, they liked the culture,
they liked the people, so they decided to move here.
Top tip, don't move here without a job. Many New
Zealanders have left for Australia's more buoyant job market and

(54:36):
the higher wages. But Robert, who works, admits he would
earn more if he did the same job in Australia.
But they weren't as happy there. The life and weather
are good, but it wasn't welcoming. That's of Australia. So
Robert and Sabina did not find New Zealand as affordable
as they thought. The house prices were a problem. We
were shocked at how high the house prices were. Renting

(54:59):
a four bedroom some twenty five miles forty ks from
Auckland eight hundred and fifty a week house is worth
about one point twenty five million. Robert takes a bus
to Auckland for work each day. Takes an hour each way.
It's a long way. Two hours of commuting each and
every day Sabrina's currently looking for a job in job recruitment,
but the sense of community is better, so they like it.

(55:22):
The cost of lipnw here you go. The cost of
living is lower than in the UK. Groceries are five
to fifty a month if they shop around. Other monthly
costs include broadband of five hundred, fifty to one hundred, water,
one hundred electricity, one seventy gas, eighty mobile phones, forty
to sixty five petrols. Cheaper than the UK, as is

(55:45):
eating out, so all of you don't text me I
can buy seven oranges for a five p in London.
No you can't. You're making it up. So it's cheaper
here than it is in Britain. Quick lunch at Auckland
costs thirteen to eighteen bucks. Coffee is five bucks. Most
people they've observed takeout private healthcare, which they get through

(56:06):
Robert's job. His role was part of the Tier one greenless,
so in other words, high demand. So he comes into
the country, files the paperwork straight to residency, which is
good because the job market is not as buoyant. It's
important to do your research before arriving and sort out
a job and a visa before you go. Salaries have
reached record highs despite the number of listed jobs dropping
by forty five percent a year ago in Auckland. In

(56:28):
totality read the whole thing. It's well worth looking up
in totality. They chose here, they've stayed here, they like
it here, and they've got good reasons for thinking they
make the right choice. So that's uplifting.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Tend to weights a make Hosking breakfast with a Vita
Retirement Communities News togs Head vs.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
But it's stepping away from more renewable power as coming.
Last week it was hunting in batteries. This week it's
Loadstone Energy and their first soul of farm. It's in Temuka.
Construction starts later this month or early next. I think
Gerry Holden's managing director of Loadstones will us Gary morning.

Speaker 19 (57:00):
Good morning, how are you well?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Thank you? What's your portfolio? You got any solar in there?
Alreadio nine.

Speaker 19 (57:06):
Yeah, this is the South Canterbury site in Clandiboys our
fifth project and so we were now on the South
Island and effectively trying to build a solar farm in
every community that we can and follow the population. You know,
have a have a scattering of generation that kind of
lines up with where the businesses and and and residences.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Are all solar, all solar.

Speaker 19 (57:33):
Yeah, we we We've got an innovative contract that takes
that takes a solar from a farm and sells it
to a business or or or a property that simulates
as if those solar panels are on the facility. And
so we we pretty much feel like there's a kind
of an open end of how many of these projects.

Speaker 8 (57:53):
We can do.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Who do you sell to? Do you sell to a retailer?

Speaker 19 (57:58):
We primarily we sell directly to customers.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
So you're a John Taylor say, we.

Speaker 19 (58:04):
Essentially are a new version of a Gent Taylor that's
focused on solar and ultimately we'll be adding batteries to
our farms to round out the generation.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
That battery thing, so the Huntley I don't know if
you're up on, but the Huntly thing last week. So
they're going to do these I can't remember the number
of gigs, I think megah whatever it was. They're going
to do one hundred and twenty thousand houses by twenty
thirty five, two major batteries and that will be for
two hours supply. That struck me as disappointing. A batteries
really the answer for major storage for long term use

(58:38):
or not?

Speaker 19 (58:40):
No, I mean they're designed just to shift energy from
one part of the day to the other, and I
think I think for Genesis, they're anticipating that, you know,
if there ultimately is a solar farm in every community,
then there will be energy in the afternoon when the
sun is shining that you could shift into the evening.
So they're just they're just getting a bit ahead of

(59:02):
the curve, and it's quite quite a good idea and
it enables quite a lot of solar to be built.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Okay, are you happy with the consent process? Are you
able to do business in a way that suits you?

Speaker 19 (59:13):
Yeah, We've we've got six more consented sites actually in
our portfolio coming and you know, our strategy has been
to keep them relatively small, have them tuck into communities
and maybe even behind a hedge row so you can't
really even see them, and then put sheep underneath and
keep the productive value of the land going. And so

(59:36):
so when you when you approach it from that direction,
consenting has been really quite a straightforward process.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Good stuff, good he Gary, get you on a get
and carry Holden, who's the Liodstone Energy managing director. It's
it's moving at pace, the old renewable story. Fascinated with
it now Sean Johnson. As of tomorrow night, it's got
his own television program. So we'll talk a little bit
about that. Life after legal, life after professional sport. I'm
interested in this fitness regime obviously. What do you do

(01:00:01):
when you've been an elite athlete? For goodness sake? I mean,
do you keep yourself fist? He certain it looks for it.
I've been watching his videos and stuff. He looks for it.
He looks healthy. So he's doing that, and he's moving
into the media space. So Sean Johnson for it. And
he's got to be loving what's going on on the
field at the moment. For goodness sake. Sean Johnson up
in the news with his next They're on the my costumes, I.

Speaker 20 (01:00:20):
Mean post a Mazario, Mike hous Game insightful, engaging and vital,
the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Defender Octor the most
powerful defender ever made and used, togs Head bh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
O seven past day. Seawan Johnson's in the middle of
answering the question as to what it is you do
when you retire from top level sport. In his case,
it's get a television show about the sport you love.
Australian television produces things like The Light Show with maybe
John's of course are n RL three sixty for local flavor.
As of tomorrow night on Sky we will have League
Lounge in Sewan. Johnson is with us. Good to see you.

Speaker 8 (01:00:58):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Now, first of all, the talk about the team before
we talk about you the team this year, you've got
to be thoroughly enjoying what's unfolding.

Speaker 21 (01:01:05):
Yeah, it certainly makes creating a league show midweek a
little bit easier when the local team is doing their
part and in building the hype around our game, you know,
like it's a I feel like the growth of Rugular
League over the last maybe three four years or maybe
since we returned from COVID has just been on a
rapid rise, and what the boys are doing this year

(01:01:27):
is just doubling down on that. So really really good
to see and really enjoyable to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Can you succinctly explain what's happened?

Speaker 8 (01:01:37):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Webster? Is it a combination of things that all of
the potential you guys have had for seemingly ever, has
now seemingly come to fruition on the field.

Speaker 15 (01:01:48):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:01:50):
I feel like our twenty three season was pretty special.
Now you can quickly forget about that, I guess in
the months in the midst of history, you know, with
what you're seeing from the boys right now. But this
hasn't been like an off season thing. This has been
Webby has been at the Helm now for his third season,
and he is really starting to implement the things he

(01:02:13):
believes in and the style he wants to play.

Speaker 17 (01:02:14):
Now.

Speaker 21 (01:02:15):
It's not just one thing, but I generally think Webby's
at the head of it. I think he is slowly
filtering down throughout the whole club his philosophy, his energy,
the way he approaches the game, and what he believes
wins footy games.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
So he has a special something about him. Do you
see that there are certain people have this sort of
a genus, acquire a vibe about them that's a bit different.
He's like that.

Speaker 21 (01:02:36):
Yered percent I've been his biggest advocate for him being
a people's first coach as opposed to a rugby league
first coach. I think he values the importance of team
chemistry and culture as much as he does skill work
or fitness, and I don't know if a lot of
coaches out there do. So he's got that. He's got

(01:02:58):
that straight away, and then he's built a roster with
you know, other people involved with the club that like
have got this depth to the group. You know, we've
seen that with certain boys missing out or injuries and
people just being next manned up mentality and going out
there and getting it done.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
A game we play where significant names haven't been missing
and therefore we still win.

Speaker 17 (01:03:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:03:21):
Yeah, it's a special it's a special trait to have,
and it's going to take you a long season.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
So the controversial question I have for you this morning,
Shawn Johnson, is your replacement Metcalf cannot kick. He's at
sixty ish percent and there will be a point in
the season where where you've left six on the table
and you needed them. What do you do?

Speaker 21 (01:03:48):
I think, my honesty, I think you persist because he's
the best kicker in the club. It's that simple, right,
He's the best kicker in the club. And I think
if there's a game to be one I always resorted
back to that, like what game this year needed to
be one. He stepped up from fifty meters out and
slotted it. Yeah, okay, So that all these reps he's

(01:04:09):
currently going through, and this is the bit that people
at home probably miss is he hasn't been a first
grade kicker where he's had the goal kick off the
back of doing eighty percent of the general play kicking.

Speaker 19 (01:04:20):
Right.

Speaker 21 (01:04:21):
You know, he's been a six the last three years
where he's kicked the ball three times during the game.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
So it'll get better.

Speaker 21 (01:04:26):
It'll get better one hundred percent get better, and it
gets better through in game reps, not practice. Practice helps.
Practice is important, but in game reps is where he
is going to bank, and then comes the back end
of the year he's going to deliver.

Speaker 13 (01:04:38):
I know it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I hope you're right because I saw it two games
ago where he because most tries and league I suddenly
thought about this the other day because it's been perplexing me.
Most tries and legua rout on the wing, aren't they
You're very rare to see someone go right up in
the middle and you can yeah the place, so you're
out in the side. And then two games ago he
started to turn it and you could see him turning
it in and it's it's it's coming. So maybe you're right.

Speaker 21 (01:04:59):
This is so good because this is exactly what I
want to do on the League lounge there you go.
It's crazy, you know. I want to speak, you know,
to what you're feeling, what you're seeing. I want to
speak to what maybe your audience is feeling and seeing
from the game. You know, I want to help educate
so that maybe our takes on that and how we
talk about these players is slightly adjusted, you know, I
think it's important. So just having that conversation right there

(01:05:21):
with you is exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
How do you deal with well, I mean, you've got
a lot of haters in general and sport, haven't you,
Or you've got a lot of ignorant and or haters.
How do you deal with that?

Speaker 21 (01:05:30):
Education? Education? I feel like, you know, say, say someone
just listened to what you just said around Luke Metcalff
can't kick, And I wasn't here to maybe put a
little bit of context on that. Correct, they go to
the work site or their workplace and go, ah, Luke
Metcalff can't kick. Because your word is valuable, right, You're

(01:05:52):
trusted in the space. Yes, So if I can help
offer a bit of perspective and to maybe what's going
on with that. It's not an excuse, but it just
might buy a bit of time to start seeing these
results now. At points in my career, I was kicking
at sixty percent, right, But I had a feeling by
the end of my career, if there's a kick to
win the game, who did people want to take it?

Speaker 13 (01:06:12):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
So, but you've got about Well, let me give you
a piece of advice as a broadcaster, and that is
you don't want to be an apologist for the team
that you will once with. Nah, so you've got your gas.
You've got to strike that balance, Yeah, between correcting me
and then being an apologist for the Warriors, because there
were sometimes where they need to kick up.

Speaker 21 (01:06:32):
The Yeah, one hundred percent, And if that's the case,
I will give it to them, But I still feel
like I can give it to them in a different light,
you know what I mean. So, yeah, that's that's essentially
what the League Lounge is going to be, you know, entertaining,
but educational and offer insight and some of the guests
will you know, will have on the couch along with me.
I don't think people will have seen them in that way.

(01:06:53):
So the whole package. Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna
be a cool it's gonna be a cool thing to
I guess be a part of.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
More on this in a moment. Shawn Johnson Thirteam Past.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Eight, the Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,
Power It by News Talks.

Speaker 9 (01:07:07):
It Be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
News Talks sixteen Past eight The League Launch Tomorrow night
on Sky Seawan Johnson is the is the creative genius
behind it, which is interesting because you were telling me
off here before we started that this is this is you,
this is not They've just hired you for the show
and you now host it, so this is your thing.

Speaker 21 (01:07:25):
Yeah, yeah, I think you know, for me to commit
to something can be proud of it. I have to
know it's a true reflection, you know, of me as
a person, and Sky have come well and truly to
the party with allowing me to do that. It's been
a collaborative process, which is unusual. Usually it's what the
old traditional method of Sky produce a show. Higher talent

(01:07:46):
just do it. But nah, this was this was a
little bit different and I'm keen to show and I think, well,
I hope people at home when they tune in will
feel that straight away, even just from the intro, the
sound of the intro, the look of the set, everything
will just feel a little bit different to I guess
maybe what you're usually going to see on Sky.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Have you got any sense whether you're any good?

Speaker 21 (01:08:03):
No? No, No, that'll be That'll be a work in progress,
day to day, week to week. No, I'm not trying.
I know it's the Lea, the League Lounge of Seann Johnson,
and I am the host, but I don't think I'm
going to be your traditional hosts that you see. I'm
a little bit on edge about that, but I think
it's going to be fun and I'll just continue to
be me while doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Are you self critical? Are you good at that sort
of thing?

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:08:24):
Yeah, on my on My biggest critic I was when
I was playing often I'd have all this outside noise
and none of it really mattered because my own opinion
was in the opinion of my teammates, you know, was important.
So it's the same now. My own opinion of my
performance as a host and the opinion of the people
under that Sky banner are important. So yeah, it's gonna

(01:08:45):
gonna review performance. I'm going to continue to look to
improve and continue just to just be myself is going
to be the main one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Yeah, what was the plan when you retired? What was
the plan post league?

Speaker 17 (01:08:57):
Post league?

Speaker 21 (01:08:58):
Was I I always liked the media space, you know.
I always had an opinion on how things were done
or what was missing. Now did I think I was
going to have my own show this early?

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
No way.

Speaker 21 (01:09:11):
But I've found just by being myself and offering my
takes and perspective and insights that it's been received really well.
And I said earlier, I've actually probably got more positive
feedback since I've retired than I did throughout my playing career,
which is pretty pretty crazy. I feel generally more loved
right now, which is a nice feeling. I'm certainly certainly

(01:09:32):
appreciative of that than when I was playing. So that's
a space I feel passionate about, you know, And that
was always in the back of my mind when I retired.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
How much, because you're only in mid thies, thirty four
years old, you've got a lot of life still to
do stuff. How much thought during your time did you
give to what might.

Speaker 21 (01:09:50):
Be Yeah, a lot, a lot and I encourage I
encourage players you know currently you know, thinking about retirement,
to start implementing a few things that will just sort
of get you out of be at each hey, because
there's a lot of horror stories around X players retiring
and the struggles and the battles they go through. But
maybe what made this a little bit smoother was the
fact it was my choice, my decision. I didn't get

(01:10:11):
forced out, and I wanted to do it on my
own terms. So I had to have, you know, one
or two things in place just to get me up
every day, to offer myself some sort of structure, because
stepping out of that space where you've had that the
last ten to fifteen years can be pretty daunting. And
no regrets, No regrets, man, No regrets. Look, I love
watching the boys, and I am I a little bit
jealous at times around seeing you know them when one

(01:10:34):
hundred percent I don't know if that'll ever leave. But
I'm very much aware that what we see for eighty
minutes is the tip of the iceberg, right and everything
underneath that is essentially what I wasn't prepared to do anymore.
So Nah, I no regrets loving what I'm doing and
I'm really excited about this next unity.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
With the bigest Do you want to be? How involved
I've seen you, like in Vegas, you were going across
the Vegas at the start of the season, all that stuff.
How involved with the team are you still?

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
Not? Not?

Speaker 21 (01:11:00):
Very not very not not from a performance standpoint. I've
got great relationships with the boys, Still catch up for
coffees midweek, yarn soundboard, anything that they've got. Luki met
something I had a lot to do with over the
last few years, and I'm still very much a soundboard
firm if he needs it. But god damn no, none
of them need me. Look at the way they're going.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
It's like, but do you see yourself in the game
at some point in the future?

Speaker 7 (01:11:26):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:11:27):
Man, Look, I'd never say never. Is that a fair
ants I never say never right now. I've got no aspirations, no,
you know, am I passionate about passing some of the
stuff I learned and had to go through onto some
of the younger boys coming through. That might just help
them navigate what they're about to feel sure, I am
passionate about that. I've got some things. I'm working on,
some other things away from media and the league lounge

(01:11:49):
that might help me deliver that. So that's in the background,
brewing away. But in terms of coaching or you know,
that's some sort of no man, I got no no thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Good place to be there, right right, they're wrongly good.
It's a good place to be. What do you do
for fitness In terms.

Speaker 21 (01:12:05):
Of I put my back out, putting my socks on
the other day, I'm not. I'm so I am I
woeful at encouraging myself to get up and do something
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
I still look in good shape though, So yeah, you
obviously haven't let yourself go.

Speaker 21 (01:12:18):
No, I eat well, I think you know my diets,
it's just part of me, right, that's just the way
I've eaten for a long time. So it's not I enjoy.
I enjoy, you know, my fast foods every now and there,
enjoy a beer every now and then. But it's all
in moderation, yep. But I'll slowly, I've starting to get
to that point now where it's been a couple of
months where I haven't done anything. Now I'm like you,
you're a disgusting human. You need to get going again.

(01:12:40):
So I'm going to start finding a gym, finding a
bit of routine.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Good on you well, good luck tomorrow night, and I'm
sure it will go well and we'll catch up with
your mid season or the end of the season or whatever,
and talks more about it.

Speaker 21 (01:12:51):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Thanks having to nice see Sean Johnson eight twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Tom said Bee Mike, just like his playing career, very classing.
I wish him all the very best. He's gone down
very well. Eight twenty far by the way, from someone
who's been a diehard warrior support from conception. I rate
Yousja and how you're taking on the commentators. Sean Johnson's quality. Man,
you deserve your own show, Sean, looking forward to what
it brings. What a great interview with Sean speaking so well.

(01:13:19):
Looking forward to the show, Mike. How refreshing it is
to listen to an eloquent and passionate ex rugby league
player talk about the game with patients and knowledge, Mike.
Adam Pompey kicked it over eighty percent last year. It
would seem to be a no brainer to me. Yeah,
I'd question. If I had more time, I would have gone.
But I trust him and if you go back a
couple of games didn't have many kicks from the out

(01:13:43):
wide over the weekend, but the week before he did,
and he started to look better as the game went on.
And I think there's some intelligence into the comment that
you will get better as the season goes on with
real time, real world texts as opposed to just practicing
a great chat with Sean. Didn't realize you were so
articulate and eloquent when talk talking. Will you go great
chat with my consurance? She had a lot of good feedback.

(01:14:04):
Who doesn't love Sean Johnson newspeking a couple of moments.
By the way, in Britain. I won't raise it with
Rod because he won't know anything about it because it's
to do with cars. He's a trained man. But the
production of cars? What was that car I was talking
to you about before? The byd?

Speaker 15 (01:14:17):
The ying yang, the wang yang, the wang ya wwangyang
yun byd.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
So anyway, so laughing, don't laugh I'm not laughing the.

Speaker 15 (01:14:28):
So it seems like you're laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
What are you laughing at?

Speaker 15 (01:14:30):
The wang yang?

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
The wang yang hang on. I'll write it down so
I don't forget the Wang Yang U nine. I'll come
back to that at time. So anyway, production of cars
in the UK has fallen off a cliff, lowest April
output for more than seventy years. This is all the business,
apart from anything of the tariffs and the concerns around it.
Fifty nine two hundred and three cars were produced in
England for that month, sixteen percent lower than the same

(01:14:54):
month last year, twenty five percent lower than March, and
the lowest April since it's nineteen fifty two. Now, in
nineteen fifty two, when they produce fifty three, five hundred
and eighteen cars, imagine what the population of Britain in
the world was. It was infantesimally smaller. Therefore, you know
when I've had a population, So the car industry is
an absolute tumor.

Speaker 15 (01:15:15):
Well, it's small correction, it's not. It's not the Wangyang.
That'd be a ridiculous name. It's the yang Wang.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
It's the yang Wang, the byd yang Wang.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Just to wrap up the yang Wang talk. So the
reason I was Seemi looking at this thing is b
why I've got a whole thing. I'll probably do it tomorrow.
But there's a car for sale in Europe by BYD
which is called the Seagull, and it costs next to nothing.
It's just like it's literally a throwaway car. But at

(01:15:56):
the other end of the spectrum, I don't know what
the yang Wang costs. But my point is this, it's
a super it's a supercar. It's a super looking car,
looks like a you know, pick a car and aston,
a Lambeau, whatever you want. It's one of those sort
of cars you cannot put into the marketplace. Something called
yang wing. You cannot if you.

Speaker 11 (01:16:15):
Expect it means look up, I couldn't care less what
it means. I couldn't get I couldn't care less what
it means. See there, if you look at it, the
Ferrari pure Sangue, you go, what does that mean? That
that's a wind in the desert? But pure sang it rolls.
Yang Wing doesn't wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
You can't expect people to pay big bucks for a
car that sounds it's.

Speaker 15 (01:16:37):
Only three hundred ninety thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Zealand it's a lot of money, Glenn. We're not all
doing as well as you stop being out of touch
with the people. The and so now you're telling me
it jumps over potholes.

Speaker 15 (01:16:47):
Yeah, literally senses obstacles.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
It sensors the obstacle and ejects itself above it. Yep,
it yang wings itself over.

Speaker 15 (01:16:56):
The hazard style rubbish. I've just been watching a video
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Do so all right, So I'm going to look up
the gang wing. I'm saving for one of these is
three und ninety thousand dollars.

Speaker 15 (01:17:04):
What I don't understand is why they have forgone the
whole sort of marine theme with the naming, because you
know it's what because you had your seal, I understand
the dolphin, the seagull, the shark, and now I suddenly
it's look up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Why don't they call it the byd you know, a
porpoise twenty two minutes away from.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Now international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Business anyway in the UK rod morning to you mate,
Good morning to your mate. So they got there on
the end and they solved the problem. I mean, the
winter payment seventy five percent of people get it if
you earn what is it, thirty five thousand quid or
whatever it is is, But is this a win or what?

Speaker 17 (01:17:47):
No, it's it's it's kind of mitigating a defeat. And
I don't think it adds up to an awful lot.
It's actually that's Rachel Reeves pointedly refused to apologize for
having imposed the cut of the first place. So they lose,
as I've mentioned before, you know, they lose from having
introduced the scrapping of winter fuel payments. Don't really get

(01:18:11):
that much back from then reintroducing them. Partially, it's still
thought of very darkly by the left of the Labor
Party and also by an awful lot of those voters
in the red wall in the north of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Is there any sophistication in the mechanism, because it's always
explained in this country that means testing is very difficult
to administer. So with an annual income of thirty five
pounds or this, do they know who they are, whether
they're getting ripped off and whether this is a sufficient
way to do it, or they're just handing it out
and hoping the problem goes away.

Speaker 17 (01:18:42):
No, that was always the issue. Mike to be honest,
which was and in truth it is a good argument,
which is that yes, winter fuel payments clearly should be
means tested. I mean we get them, you know, I
get them, but the means of doing so is so convoluted,

(01:19:05):
so expensive, so time consuming, that it's cheaper to pay
the whole country.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
The talks, I haven't got any detail out of them yet,
and I don't know any details actually come out, but
I'm assuming a chunk of London's lockdown as a whole
bunch of Chinese and a whole bunch of Americans wander
into a room and have a word.

Speaker 17 (01:19:23):
Yes, And we're very proud of this. You know. It
puts US at the center of the world stage for
the talks between the world's two most powerful notions over trade.
And it's another chance for Sirkire Starma in a way
to say to Europe and the European Medion, look, we're important,
we really matter. We are a bridge between you and

(01:19:45):
the USA, and we are on your side and we're
on their side as well. You know, you need to
recognize that. So it's actually quite a useful it's actually
quite a useful contrivance for Starma and for the for
the government. Generally, I dare say that London will be
hellish for the next three days, and one should be

(01:20:08):
minded to avoid it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
In the Frederick Forsyth id something didn't have any money,
thought what am I going to do to dig himself
out of a whole line now? Or write a book
that worked out?

Speaker 8 (01:20:19):
Or right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Didn't it?

Speaker 17 (01:20:20):
It did? Indeed, probably probably one of the world's greatest
thriller writers died today, famous for the Day of the
Jackal and Viadesaphile particularly a very very acute writer, very

(01:20:42):
very short, terse novels. Day of the Jackal did incredibly well.
Of course, he worked for me for a bit. I
employed him to write an essay at the end of
the Today program every other week, and on the other
week it was done by will self and his essays
were so staggeringly right wing that he was taken off

(01:21:05):
in the end he was he was. He was very
right of center, indeed, very pro leave and part of
that generation along with I would guess Alexander Fleming h
who who were of the of the far right as writers,
very few writers on the right these days. He was

(01:21:26):
one of the last.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Right You go, well catch up on Thursday, were a
little out of Britain just before we leave that part
of the world. You won't know the name, but ze
use of who is he? Well, he was the chairman
of Reform Reformer going gangbusters at the moment the political party.
Nigel Faras the leader of course, but he was the chairman.
He quit and then he came back. He quit after

(01:21:48):
saying working to get it elected was no longer a
good use of my time, to which he then rescinded that,
and his party spokesman said, Zia regrets what he said
and did the other day. It was a combination of
eleven months, hard working, exhaust gen So he is back
and he's going to introduce what he's calling his version
of a Doge team, and they're going to rip into
the British economy and they're going to change the landscape

(01:22:10):
as they see. So that's the Reform Party for You're
seventeen to two The.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
At B fourteen Away from nine a Liam Dan a
good piece yesterday talked to a guy called in the Herald.
This is he talked to a guy called Cameron Mitchell
who's the a Z's He had a head of geopolitical risk,
And I think you can be a reasonably good head
of geopolitical risk at the moment, as long as you
say things like very difficult to say what's going on,
hard to tell what's next, it's an open question as

(01:22:40):
to what might unfold before you. Stuff like that. But
be that as it may. See a couple of positive things.
I thought the US policy stance was creating new opportunities
for trading nations. Where a trading nation, so new opportunities
for US. I think I might be right without blowing
my own trumpet. So far, so good. But I did
say at the very beginning of this that it might
be possible. And red meat's the very good example. Wine

(01:23:02):
would be the other. In dealing directly with America, it's
entirely possible. We are so good at ten percent, we
might be able to trade our way through it. In
other words, there are enough people that we sell to
in America that another ten percent on a bottle of
whatever and a stake of isn't going to be a
problem for them. So, in other words, sales don't get hurt.
It's still early days, but certainly in the numbers and

(01:23:22):
we had them in the April numbers for red meat.
They're just absolutely booming and there seems to be no
end as to how much we can sell. Anyway, He's
looking at other countries doubling down on free trade agreements.
I know they mentioned the other day with Steve that
the Australians are back in with the EU and they're
looking to They had a stall free trade arrangement. They
said let's go, let's get back into it. So they're underway.

(01:23:43):
So he's looking at places like the Europeans, the UK, Australia, India,
New Zealand, are Japan, South Korea all free traders. There's
a lot of trading partners out there. There's NOECD report
that nations are looking to redouble their commitments to free trade,
which is right up our alley. He argues, it's problem
going to offset some of the impacts from the other

(01:24:03):
markets that are looking to tighten things up, like America.
So I hope he's right, but as well worth reading.
Mike I gouged the new Netflix series Last Night Department Q,
Scottish cold case Units, starring Matthew Good as the brilliantly
incisive Detective Carl Mork, who is prone to colorful outbursts,
reminded me of the hosk Actually and looks slightly like

(01:24:23):
you too, does he?

Speaker 15 (01:24:26):
He's t haggard, that's what you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
I tried, it looks a bit scott Who's the woman
that very well known, very weathered looking woman who's in
everything from North of the Border in the Star of
the Show, whatever her name.

Speaker 15 (01:24:39):
Is, the one who plays like the superintendent of.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
The Every time I see here, I go do I
need this? And I couldn't get it?

Speaker 13 (01:24:46):
Really good?

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
It's good, Yeah, you reckon.

Speaker 15 (01:24:48):
You might need to watch it with the subtitles on
it as super Scottish.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Yeah, it's so authentic. I thought, it's probably not me.
I did wrap up, to be fair, I did wrap
up Clarkson's farm last night, and the boss came and
he did it over the weekend. He said it ends
on a depressing note. He was wrong. What he meant
by that is that this goes to farming. You got
to understand farming last year in Britain was a disaster.

(01:25:13):
The reason Jeremy Clarkson didn't come here the other week
is because he's dealing with the drought, as are most
of British farmers at the moment. Last year they were
dealing with water like they'd never seen it in their lives.
And his entire Durham wheat crop was written off, which
was his main crop, and it was the crop they've
grown for pasta. They couldn't get any reading and there
was no money coming in, and so he was like

(01:25:35):
every other farmer. And that is that you hang on
in the tough years thinking that next year must be better.
It cannot be any worse than this past year. And
that is farming. And if you don't understand that, it
would seem depressing. And to be fair, the opening of
his pub was chaotic as well, and it's hard to
know how much of that they cut up to make
it look chaotic and versus how.

Speaker 13 (01:25:53):
Much well all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Well, when the power goes out, the powers out, and
it's not really a.

Speaker 15 (01:25:58):
Public that yet you don't thin there's a produce a
going be funny if we knit around the back, And.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
No, I don't think that's that bad anyway. The point
of it is, as Katie said to me, And they
ended with Petula Clark singing downtown and they had those
beautiful landscape shots of the British country side. As Katie
said to me, that's good old fashion television. It's good
old fashioned television. It takes you on a journey, it
tells the story, the characters are wonderful. You leave feeling
pretty good. And so if you haven't seen it, well

(01:26:26):
worth it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Nine to nine the Mike casting Breakfast with Bailey's Real
Estate News togs THEBB.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
What's with the Tinder and the height thing? So they're
introducing a height filter so you can punch in blonde
blue eyes. I don't know how it works. I'm assuming
this out where I've never been on Tinder. But remember
the guy you weren't here, Sam, There was a guy
that's broadcaster I could name one day. I probably will
in the book. But we went overseas on a trip

(01:26:54):
covering an event that I won't tell you because it
might give away who he was. But he was on
Tinder all the time. It's well known guy. I could
name him right now. And you go no way, I go,
yes way. Anyway.

Speaker 15 (01:27:06):
Well, why are you saying that like it's a scandal.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Well that's what I'm saying. Well, it's not scandal, it's
just like it's a roll your eyes moment. Are you
really anyway? What's the hype thing? It's height of things.

Speaker 15 (01:27:18):
Well, yeah, because somebody like you puts in that you're
five ten, and then when you turn up and they
see that you're not five ten, they go skys.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
But I am fiveteen though.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Day Worldwide Developers Conference at Cappatino as we speak, this
is Apple of course, this is tech and fines. And
they're also into the IF One movie.

Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
Yeah, I'm in the lead.

Speaker 15 (01:27:50):
You're the only one out there.

Speaker 18 (01:27:51):
Crag.

Speaker 13 (01:27:54):
I've got to see my tires.

Speaker 8 (01:27:56):
What for?

Speaker 17 (01:27:57):
I don't know. It's just what they.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Say better be good because there's a lot of hype
around that movie. There's software they've got this what is it?
The os? iOS? Is that what we're dealing with? Is
that how they pronounce it?

Speaker 15 (01:28:10):
Did you read the script?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Well, I can't read the script?

Speaker 15 (01:28:12):
Just gone to iOS?

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Yes, iOS? Watch well see watch OS all the oss
all the os is watch OS. Anyway, They're going to
be SYNCD, so it's going to be iOS twenty six
and there's a new look for the first time since
iOS seven. So seven through twenty six. So for nineteen IOSS.

Speaker 15 (01:28:33):
They've skipped a few to make it up to twenty six. No,
you're missing the point. It's twenty six because next year
is twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Six, so they're tying it in with a year correc
so it'll be easier to But what about the liquid
What about the liquid glass?

Speaker 22 (01:28:45):
The lark screen has been updated with the time and
controls now made of liquid glass, and swaping up to
your home screen is even more delayful with this beautiful
glass edge and a new sense of response. This we
crafted app icons from liquid glass. It makes them feel
fresh while keeping them instantly identifiable.

Speaker 23 (01:29:08):
Even more delightful. It's like the b Y d wang Yang,
even more delightful. Anyway, there's no phones or nothing. It's
just that I owe is nonsense, and there's no new Mac.
There's no home pod. What there was, inexplicably was a song.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
Being human.

Speaker 17 (01:29:31):
It's hard list head.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
This is what happened out of fun, he said. Reviews
and people say Apple have lost the clock. I wonder
why that is. It's a guy called Alan Stone. You'll
never hear from him again. What did the market think

(01:30:03):
of it? Well shares it down one point two one percent,
down seventeen point three one percent year to day. So
that's him and he's created a genius for you. That
is us for today. We return at six am tomorrow morning,
as always, Happy Days.

Speaker 13 (01:30:21):
With the Most.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
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