Full Show Podcast: 11 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Demanding the answers from the decision makers. Can the duplicy
Ellen on the Mike asking breakfast with the range rover
villa designed to intrigue and use talks that'd be he Good.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Morning to you, Welcome to the show coming up today.
It is d day for the fairies decision. We've been
waiting a while for. Are we going to get two
smaller fairies that cost us more? Sounds like it. We'll
talk to Transport in New Zealand on that. We apparently
need thousands of doctors and thousands of nurses. The vacancies
are enough to make you weep. So we'll find out
from House New Zealand what are their plans so you
get these jobs filled. The Greyhound guys on the Surprise

(00:33):
shut Down, Mark and Jenny talk politics and we'll get
you around the world with Richard Arnold and Steve Price.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Ever duplicy Ellen, I've gotta.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Be honest, I do not feel sorry for the supermarkets
getting pinged by the Commerce Commission laying those criminal charges.
I mean, I know that there are some who are
going to criticize the ComCom for this being small beer
and it is and there they'll say there are bigger
structural issues in the grocery sector to actually be dealing with.
And that's true as well. There are, but this is
still important because the supermarkets have low known for long
enough now that they have, if not misleading pricing and

(01:03):
misleading specials, that they have inaccurate pricing on their shelves. Now,
I don't want to prejudge the outcome of this court case,
but you know, we can talk about the circumstances that
lead to this. These are some of the most profitable
businesses out Just have a look at the number of
supermarket owners that are on the Rich List. So absolutely
got the means, absolutely had the time to put in
the electronic shelf tag systems that would have got around

(01:26):
at the very least most of the inaccurate pricing problems. Right,
instead of using the paper you use the electronic stuff.
And yet despite the money and the time, we still
have this problem going on. And it's not good enough
to say, oh, the customers could just go up to
the count to get a refund. You have to before
in order to get a refund, you have to know
that you have been charged incorrectly. And how many of
us actually know that? How many of us actually have
the time or the inclination to check our supermarket receipts.

(01:49):
And this stuff is not actually all that inconsequential, because
groceries are one of the expenses that families cannot avoid,
much like putting a roof over your head, and the
stuff adds up over time. Look the fines that are
available to the Commerce Commission here, Yes, they are relatively
small compared to the money that the supermarket owners are making.
But I suspect that the charges themselves will give other

(02:10):
supermarket owners a fright, if only for reputational reasons. I
suspect they're going to take this seriously. I suspect that
they will actually go and have a look at what
they're doing on their shelves as well. And that's a
good thing. They have absolutely had long enough to sort
this out. What news of the world in ninety seconds.
So the UN Special Envoy to Syria is giving Israel
a slap on the wrist after they are alleged to

(02:31):
have done dozens of air strikes across the country.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
They are continuing to see Israeli movements and bombardments into
Syrian territory.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
This needs to stop Israel's is the definitely not me.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
The Israelis flat out tony that they've described it multiple
times as being fake news.

Speaker 6 (02:51):
Say, there's nothing to substantiate that, and that's not what
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Hard to ignore the facts, apparently, though, when you're on
the ground seeing the effects.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
In the back of this truck you can see the
anti tank mines, we of course saw all of them exploding.
Now on the floor all around us is the unexploded
ordnance and exploded ordinance shellcasings mortars.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Now, as we told you yesterday, they've arrested the alleged
New York shooter, Luigi Mangioni. He was arrested in a
Pennsylvania McDonald's and this staff as sort all go down.

Speaker 7 (03:23):
Police man, we're here, and there were the guy in
the corner.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, it looks as biss as police have described how
it all happened.

Speaker 8 (03:33):
He asked the suspect if he had been in New
York City recently, and that really invoked a physical reaction
from the suspect. He became visibly nervous, kind of shaking
at that question.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Over in the UK, the Chancellor Rachel Reeves is doing
a bit of a Nicola Willis warning ministers, they will
need to cut back on spending. I have no doubt
that we.

Speaker 9 (03:54):
Can find efficiency savings within government spending of five percent,
and I'm determined to do so because it's through finding
those efficiency savings that will have the money to spend
on the priorities of the British people.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
One example was a government department spending two and a
half thousand New Zealand dollars on two leather bound folders
from a luxury company. And finally, if you're fit and
you enjoy social engagements in China has got just the
job via I'll tell you what a climbing buddy. That's
the job, an increasing trend with students and ex military
advertising on social media. They charge anywhere between fifty and

(04:29):
one hundred and fifty New Zealand dollars in Their job
is to sing, to make you love, to tell stories,
to play music, whatever you need to take your mind
off the fact that you're exhausted while climbing a giant mountain.
I'm a very specific set of skills there. I'll even
carry your bag for you. On average, the climbers may
double the average monthly wage in China, so there's plenty
of lonely, unfit climbers in need. Apparently, there you go.

(04:51):
There's a job be if you're looking for something. Now,
absolutely on the arrest of the guy that they recon
shot the healthcare ceo. This is the one who's been
arrested in that McDonald's mcdonn donalds was in a town
called Altoona in Pennsylvania. That McDonald's, in a weird twist
in the story, is now being slammed with one star
reviews on Google, and the reviews are saying things like
this location has rats in the kitchen that will make

(05:14):
you sick and your insurance isn't going to cover it. Now,
I mean, do I need to explain this to you?
Rats in the kitchen as in nax Nark's in the
kitchen who knocked on him and got him in trouble.
This is called review bombing. This is the thing that happens,
and review bombing is basically where our business gets targeted
for political reasons rather than for anything to do with

(05:35):
the actual business. And given the tone of that one,
you would have to say that the review bombing is
being done by people who are sympathetic to the shooter. Anyway,
Google is taking them down. But yeah, weird twist in
that particular story. Thirteen past six, the.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
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My News talks.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Ey Hey, we talked yesterday round about this time, and
the show talked yesterday about banks and how they're debanking
a whole bunch of various organizations and stuff. And one
of the examples, of course, was glory of albnz's going
to shunt those accounts down being given permission. And there
were ladies who were running the sex toy shop who
also can't get accounts and stuff like that. Someone center
text through mentioning the gas stations, which has bang on

(06:17):
because Federated Farmers, as I kind of indicated you, yes
that I had been in touch with us, they had
heard about a bunch of gas stations being defunded by
banks because you know, fossil fuels, yuck, moral police, et cetera.
So we're going to have a chat to Federated Farmers
after half past six. Right now, it's sixteen passed. I've
built free and with us as Andrew callahe Jmi, welcome

(06:37):
morning to you, Andrew.

Speaker 10 (06:39):
Yeah, morning, Heather.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
All right, So the RBA. No surprise there at all.

Speaker 10 (06:42):
Yeah, no surprise delivered as expected.

Speaker 11 (06:44):
No change to the policy rate, which is the equivalent
of our official cash rates. So their rate's still at
four point three to five, tiny little bit higher than
our rate at four and a quarter. What we really
wanted to see, Heather, was whether the sort of recent
data most important. I guess weak growth number they had
last week had prompted any change in the stants of
the RBA. Now, just to remind you, the GDP prints

(07:06):
zero point eight percent for the third quarter for Rossie
last year, so zero point eight year and year. That
was the weakest GDP print since nineteen ninety one. But
I thought this was pretty ironic, isn't it. They're in
a panic about this plus zero point eight percent. Well,
our GDP number is out on the nineteenth of December,
a little pre Christmas.

Speaker 10 (07:24):
Economic present for us. For wants.

Speaker 11 (07:27):
We would just love to see any number above zero,
any number with a plus in front of it.

Speaker 10 (07:31):
But they're all sort of head up about the fact
that it's low.

Speaker 11 (07:34):
Anyway, they've had a stock phrase in their recent announcements.
They need to remain vigilant to the upside risks of inflation. Well,
they've changed the tune that sen that's gone. Some of
the upside risk of inflation have eased. They're gaining confidence
that the CPI is returning sustainably to target and looks
very much like the market has decided as a dubvish

(07:55):
tilt to the statement.

Speaker 10 (07:56):
I think that's right.

Speaker 11 (07:57):
They've scrapped the wording that they weren't ruled anything in
or out of policy. That's a veiled reference to upside risk.
That's gone market reaction. Now, yesterday, Heather, I told you
that that monetary policy change in China that gave a
bit of a mini boost to the New Zealand dollar
and the Aussie dollar because it stronger China, stronger New Zealand,
strong GROSSI. But this more dubvish RBA has sent the

(08:20):
Australian dollar the other way.

Speaker 10 (08:22):
Now, why we care about that? Heather's dragged the New
Zealand dollar.

Speaker 11 (08:25):
Whether Kiwi dollar currently as I'm looking at that point
five seven nine seven against the.

Speaker 10 (08:30):
US, it's below fifty eight cents.

Speaker 11 (08:32):
We very rarely see the Kiwi dollar below fifty eight cents,
bar a couple of COVID related spikes that we saw
it below there. So that is important obviously good for
our exporters, but not so good for important inflation and
no good if you're going on holiday.

Speaker 10 (08:46):
I've got a few overseas credit card bills, So yep,
that's the RBA.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Hey, speaking of cash and your holidays and just generally
spending stuff, do we actually want digital cashwere do you.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Sit on this?

Speaker 10 (08:56):
Well? You answered me this question. Have you got any
cash any well? Have you got a couple of fiddies
stuck away there just in case?

Speaker 12 (09:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Do you remember when when we had that weird little
blip where all the transactions went down recently?

Speaker 10 (09:09):
Any cash?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah? So I went and I drew out I think
three hundred and stuck it somewhere in the house. Not
going to tell you there, but I'm still Yeah.

Speaker 11 (09:16):
It's a bit of context, bit of background here digital cash.
The arbyan Z is working on a digital cash proposal
that means those little fiddies you've got burning a hole
in your wallet won't be needed. But turns out there's
a few things that light our fires on this, and
these are One, we love cash, but two we don't
trust the government and we don't trust the arbyan Z now,
shall we be surprised, like, should I be surprised that

(09:37):
I wasn't sure how to feel about this? On this
public consultation? Are you surprised that people don't trust the
arbyan Z and the government?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
I think I think of the not really well. I
think what it is is that we trust the cold
hard cash in our hands.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Do you know what we do?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, we justus the numbers at the at M.

Speaker 10 (09:53):
I reckon, we can blow up your text machine on this.
Who loves cash out there?

Speaker 13 (09:57):
Who loves it?

Speaker 10 (09:57):
Anyway, let's get onto the serious.

Speaker 11 (09:59):
If the arbian Z called for public consultation on this,
they've just released the results. It was the highest ever
response to public consultation the Arbuns had had, so they
had five hundred ridden submissions eighteen thousand survey responses. It
would appear that cash still plays a fundamental and important
role in society despite declining usage rate. Seems we're primarily

(10:20):
worried about the privacy and security of a central bank
payment method. Some of the issues include things like access
to internet and this issue of perception of government control.
That was the biggest concern. So the arbenzaid, unsurprisingly, is
going to go away and do a little bit more
work on the costs, the risks, the benefits and the designs.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, I can't wait to see how that plays out.
All right, give us the numbers.

Speaker 11 (10:41):
Dow Jones are down two points, so no move there.
Forty four three hundred and ninety five. The S and
P five hundred is exactly the same six oh five two,
and the Nastak is up twelve points nineteen thousand, seven
hundred and fifty. Overnight, the foots of one hundred lost
zero point eight six percent eight to seventy nine. The
nick was up about half a percent thirty nine thousand,
three hundred and sixty seven. Shanghai Composite was up twenty

(11:05):
points three four to two to two the ASEX two
hundred yesterday they lost thirty points after on the RBA
day eight thousand, three hundred and ninety two the close there,
the enz AdEx fifty lost point six one of the
percent twelve seven hundred and twenty three the close, as
I said, Kiwi dollar under fifty eight cents point five
seven nine eight against the US point nine oh ninety

(11:25):
five against the Ossio point five five one six euro
point four to five four six pounds eighty eight point
one seven Japanese again Gold two thousand, six hundred and
eighty nine dollars and Brent crud seventy two dollars and
sixty six cents.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Andrew, good to talk to you, mate. Enjoy the rest
of you days, Andrew callihev joy my wealth. Listen. You
already know exercise is good for you, right, you don't
need me to tell you that. But there's a study
out which suggests not only is it good for you
just to make you feel good on the day, it's
actually good for your memory on the day that you
exercise and the day thereafter. Now's we're not talking about
a huge like you're not going to go from being well.
I can't remember where my wallet is too. I know

(12:00):
where everything is, and I've remembered everything about much. It's
that it's not massive. It's like a two to five
percent increase. It's small stuff in memory scores. But I'll
tell you something. If you're operating as like a sleep
deprived parent, you're going to take that two to five percent,
aren't you, Because that two to five percent is the
difference sometimes between keeping your job or losing it all together.

Speaker 14 (12:19):
Anyway, resomably off the back of yesterday's study.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
You then follow that up with a few sweet treats
and then you're basically superwoman.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's exactly right. You live long, plus you remember your
whole life. Also, what you need and you can't forget
this is you need the six hours sleep a night,
not a lot, right, you just got it, nail, six
hours sleep, thirty minutes of exercise a day, and you're
remembering absolutely everything. Your husband's going to hate it because
he already hates how much you remember. Then you're going
to six twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
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Speaker 2 (12:49):
It be Heather, how do you do a cashi with
a trade if you've got no hard cash? Not really,
not really, I think something the Reserve Bank wants to hear.
But on that subject, you actually should, by the way,
but have it as as Andrew was kind of hinting at,
you're to have some cash in your house because even
if it's not going to be because the f poss
machines go down across the entire country, which did happen,
You might remember it in July, but if it's not

(13:10):
that it's a civil defense emergency. Do you remember when
the earthquake happened in christ Juge in twenty eleven, Everything
went down, So I was living in Wellington, was working
for TV ANDSZ News and had to go down. We
loaded a car with water, bottles and snacks and knickers
and undies and stuff with the crew down there, and
lots of cash, which is what we used to be
able to buy coffees the next morning. You've got to

(13:30):
have some of the hard cash because nothing electronic is
gonna work if something goes wrong, and you know we
live on the shaky aisles. Six twenty six.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
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Speaker 3 (13:43):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Do you remember about Jamie Fox having that thing? He
was rushed to hospital last year? This is the comedian.
He was rushed to hospital last year and there was
very limited detail as to what happened to him. He's
now done a Netflix comedy special that dropped last night
and he explained that he'd actually had a random brain
bleed that caused him to have a stroke and what
it meant was that he lost twenty days of memory
and woke up from his coma completely unable to walk.

(14:04):
He said he had to privately deal with all kinds
of really weird rumors, including that he'd already died, that
he'd been cloned obviously, that he had been poisoned because
of some alleged scandal he was involved in, and it's
actually still affecting him because he broke down on stage.

Speaker 10 (14:17):
You do wow, man, Please lord, let me get this.

Speaker 15 (14:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Obviously good news story that he's recovered, but the review's
not so flash. I'm saying it's more comedy than more
corny than comedy. He said, No, this.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Should be happening to you.

Speaker 16 (14:38):
I said what what I said? I said, God, look
at all these bad people. Look at all these bad
people down here. Shouldn't these bad people be going through this?
And you know what he said, Those bad people are
already belong to somebody else.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You belong to me, like a ted talk.

Speaker 14 (14:57):
Sounds like a laugh a minute.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yay, thanks, Lease talks.

Speaker 17 (15:00):
He'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
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Speaker 1 (15:09):
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Speaker 2 (15:19):
Latest on the New York shooter will get from Richard
Arnold Win he's with us shortly. And also, I'm gonna
have to run you through the numbers of how many
nurses and doctors we needed. It's kind of astonishing or mean.
Will look we look like we're getting on top of
it a wee bit with the nurses, not so much
with the doctors. But I run you through that and
we'll talk to Health New Zealand after seven to see
what their plan is. Right now, it's twenty three away
from seven.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Yes nights, thirsting on of them fast now.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
As we discussed on the show yesterday, banks have been
busted refusing to bank various businesses refusing to give them accounts,
including two ladies who run a sex toy retailer. And
now it seems they're also threatening to pull lending from
some petrol station owners because these guys sell fossil fuels,
and fossil fuels are not cool anymore. Federated farmers have
blown the US along this one. In the National Board

(16:01):
member Richard McIntyre's with us. Now, Hey, Richard, Hey, Heather,
So what's actually going on here? Have these guys who've
already got lending with their bank. These petrol station owners,
have they been told they have to pay it back
by a certain date.

Speaker 15 (16:14):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 13 (16:14):
We've had quite a few petrol station owners actually reach
out to us with all the stuff that we've been
doing in the banking space, and yeah, they one of
them has actually given us a letter from being Dead
as it was, saying that they can have no further
lending from here on in and that they have to
begin repaying all of their debt and it has to
be repaid by twenty thirty. From then they may have

(16:37):
a transactional facility, but no further ending ever after that.
And we're getting anecdotal evidence that other banks are doing
the same thing as well. With them they learned there's
a reference to the zero banking Alliance, which being Dead
and the other banks are part of.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Right, And how many gas stations are we talking about
here that you guys have heard from.

Speaker 13 (16:59):
There's about half a day and that have breached out
to us personally, but we're hearing from from various other sources.
You know, within the I guess the petrol station industry.
That you know that there are a lot of a
lot of petrol stations affected by it. And so the
thing to be clear of here, this isn't about the
banks declining to fund oil and gas exploration or something
like that, or even big petroal chemical companies like Mobile

(17:22):
or caltexs or whatever. Yeah, these are small business owners
that provide a service to New Zealanders in general. And
obviously our particular interest is real New Zealanders. And you know,
so for the banks to actually be declined to fund
them and consider them to be negative will the rest
of it is actually considered them to be a vital service,
is just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
So this net zero Banking Alliance suggests that the banks
themselves have set themselves some climate targets and in order
to meet them, they have to stop banking problematic and
I'll put that in their quotes, but problematic businesses like
gas stations.

Speaker 12 (17:56):
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 13 (17:57):
So back in I think it was twenty twenty one
in Glasgow, a whole lot of effectively banks met up
and signed this netzari Banking Alliance and so part of
the commitments to that were that they needed to reduce
their financed emissions and so that's you effectively, you know,
all the money that lends out the emissions from them,
and so so this reduction of funding to you know,

(18:20):
per petrol stations is keeping within that commitment.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Now, how much is this guy going to have to
pay back to.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Be in z.

Speaker 13 (18:27):
Oh, it's quite a few moments for the particularly what
I'm talking about, So it's not something that's actually achievable
within that time frame in terms of from revenue. And
what it also does is it reduces the ability for
them to actually sell their business and time when it's
time for.

Speaker 18 (18:43):
Them to retire.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
They're over a barrel, won't they They're over a barrel
because you can't pay that level of money back in
the next six years, and then you can't in order
to pay it back, you'd have to sell. But in
order to sell, somebody else would have to be able
to take a loan, which they also can't get.

Speaker 13 (18:57):
Correct and you know, you know, well, I don't like
what they're doing in general. You know, one of the
biggest problems is that they're doing it collectively effectively, having
signed this alliance and then acting it in a very
very similar manner.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, yeah, Now this concerns you guys, why because your
rural communities rely on these gas stations.

Speaker 13 (19:16):
Exactly, you know, yeah, having services like petro stations, and
obviously there's there's a bigger context here for farmers as well.

Speaker 15 (19:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Interesting, Richard, thanks very much, really appreciate it. That's Richard McIntire,
Federated Farmer's National board member. Here's a text hither. I'm
the chair of White Tall More. The banks are absolutely
reducing or refusing to fund fuel companies, even though we've
got a hydrogen network, even though we've got electric charges,
even though we won their White Cuttle Sustainable Company Award
last week. Happy to chat. How crazy is that? It's
a crazy situation, But the world has gone crazy, hasn't it? Over?

(19:50):
In the US? Listen, if you've been following this Murdoch
court case where the family are fighting each other for
control of Rupert Murdoch's empire when he finally pops his clogs,
This thing came to a yesterday in the courts. If
you've been following this, and you'll be thinking, Jesus, feels
like an episode out of succession? What about this? For
a twist, The whole thing kicked off because of an
episode of succession, So weirdly they were and I don't

(20:12):
think all together, Like, I don't think all the adult
kids were sitting in one living room together, but they
were all, like the rest of us, watching Succession where
everything goes into chaos because old mate dies or is
going to die. The whole thing is just chaos the
whole way through. But anyway, when they were watching it,
they started thinking, oh, what about us, weird life mirroring everything.

(20:34):
Everything is weird about this. The show is based on them,
and then they're basing their lives on the show. Anyway.
So then Lachlan, James, Elizabeth, and Prudence, the four eldest kids,
start getting together and having little chats about it, start
devising a public relations strategy for the father for Rupert's
eventual death. Elizabeth Staffer writes a succession memo for the
trust which basically is as how they're going to avoid

(20:55):
having a real life example of succession play out, which
takes them to court, and they have a real life
example of succession playing out. That is the definition of meta,
isn't it? Seventeen Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
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Speaker 2 (21:18):
All the gas stations now need to refuse service to
the bank employees and executives. I mean, that's one way
of getting them back, isn't A B and Z carpools
into the local white toll mor and White onm was like, Nah,
not filling you up, mate, They'll have to go electric
quick smart, weren't they caught it?

Speaker 1 (21:30):
To seven International correspondence with ENZ and Eye Insurance Peace
of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Stateside, we've got Richard Arnold. Hey, Richard, So does it
sound to you like this chap who's responsible allegedly for
the shooting is basically being prompted by his own pain?

Speaker 14 (21:48):
Well, that may be part of it.

Speaker 19 (21:49):
We still don't know the full details, but certainly he
had some health issues that he was dealing with. But
I mean, there are so many bizarre elements to this.
He's going to face an extradition hearing shortly this fellow,
and many still are just amazed.

Speaker 10 (22:02):
At how it all unfolded.

Speaker 19 (22:03):
This suspect, Luigi Manngione, had all kinds of incriminating evidence
with him when he was spotted in a McDonald's fast
food place in Pennsylvania, a few hours is away only
from the site of the murder in New York. He
hit with him the so called ghost gun, the unidentified
weapon possibly made with a three D printer, and it
was loaded, so was he planning something. Additionally, he was

(22:24):
also carrying a fake ID in the name of Mark Rozario,
a fake name that was used in New York. Also,
he had with him as well as a three paid
manifesto critical of the healthcare industry. So in it he wrote, quote,
these parasites had it coming. End quote he added, I
do apologize for any strife and trauma, but it had
to be done. He also writes a virtual confession, suggesting

(22:45):
his note would only be read if he was killed
or captured. It says, in part, quote to save you
were lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working
with anyone. So all this is in sharp contrast to
the shooter's initial actions that we'd been hearing about where
he was so care care for wearing a mask in
New York except for that brief or infamous moment where
he was seen flirting with the girl at the desk

(23:06):
of the hostel where he was staying. Then there was
the monopoly money that he left in the backpack, The
police found in Central Park, but then these lapses at
the Altia McDonald's in Pennsylvania, he still had a mask
and another pack, and a customer named Larry says he
and his mate's joke that he looked like the New
York assassin. He says, one of his groups spoke up
about it.

Speaker 17 (23:26):
He made a calm man, but that looks like the
shooter from New York. But I thought he was the
group of us. I thought it was more of a
joke and we were kidding about it. But then as
it turned out, it was him.

Speaker 19 (23:42):
No joke, Yeah, they suspected shooter. Then ordered some hash
brown potatoes and sat at the back of the place.
Then one of the staffers put in that call to
police emergency. That staff and one of Larry's mates were
expected to share the tip off reward money, talking about
sixty thousand dollars US in all. So that's one hundred
thousand plus New Zealand. So we'll see how that works out. Meantime,
we're hearing more and more about this man who was

(24:03):
facing the murder charge after being initially being charged with
unlicensed fire, umpossession, forgery and so on. Police ran his id,
found it to be fake. Mangioni said little to police
when he was arrested, but in court for the initial arrangement,
he quiverled with the police account that his backpack was
designed to prevent mobile phone signals being traced. So police

(24:24):
were arguing that this was a sophisticated criminal effort. At
Mangioni piped up and said, hey, it was just a backpack.
As what else we know. He had a shoulder problem,
had undergone a surgery, so that house back to your
initial thought there. He also had moved to Hawaii for
about eighteen months, where his family, a wealthy family, was
unable to trace him for a time, and where one
of his roommates in what was built as the first

(24:45):
coworking penthouse for remote workers. This is a place on
the fortieth story of a high rise in Hawaii, says
he is stunned by what has happened beyondsot.

Speaker 8 (24:55):
It's unimaginable. You know, I was roommates with him, friends
height Montio, the he's you know, did his best to
be athletic and unfathomable.

Speaker 19 (25:05):
Well, something like that, that friend, says Mangioni was sociable
and pretty outgoing.

Speaker 8 (25:10):
When he first came, he went on a surf lesson
with other members, and unfortunately just a basic surf lesson.
He was in bed for about a week. We had
to get a different bed firm that was more firm,
and I know it was really traumatic and difficult. You know,
when you're in the early twenties and you can't, you know,
do some basic things, it can be really really difficult.

Speaker 19 (25:28):
Well, the victim's family say they're devastated. Mangioni's family say
also they're shocked and devastated by all of this. What
is unusual, though, has been some of the public reaction.
We're hearing many complaints about troubles with the health insurance
industry that are coming up right now, and especially United Healthcare,
the place run by the murder of victim. That's led
police and others to praise police actions and those of

(25:49):
the civilians who provided the tip off. They say, Luigi
Mangioni is not a hero, something I cannot recall hearing
about any other murder suspect in the past.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Amazing, rich Thank you so much. Appreciated. Richard Arnold, US
correspondent couldn't help yesterday, but I was when it became
clear who the guy was and you know, good looking,
young guy, ivy league, wealthy family couldn't help but think, jeez,
it must be tough for the parents. Imagine so proud
of him at one stage and so devastated now here
that this is exactly why we need more competition in

(26:20):
the banking sector. Well, I've got bad news for you,
the big competitor. We're all pinning our hopes on keywibank
way into this stuff as well. Stop banking. Remember, stop banking.
The coal industry entire West Coast was furious with them.
This happened about three or four years ago, and as
a result of that, actually the first time I actually
acted on any kind of principle, A shot all my
Keywi bank accounts and changed banks. Fortunately that's not happening

(26:42):
with B and Z because I'm not with them anyway.
We're going to deal with the health New Zealand numbers
numbers of doctors and nurses shortly nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Heather Duplessy Ellen pond one by costing breakfast with the range.
Rover Villain news to se B.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Mentioned earlier on that apparently the greyhound industry only had
forty five minutes worn that Winnie was going to shut
down greyhound racing. Yesterday. Somebody's text through as Joanne saying,
I suspect the very short notice to the greyhound industry
was to prevent the euthanazing of the excess dogs before
the law was passed. That was pretty grim last night,
wasn't it? Them going right? We're going to pass this
law to stop them slaughtering the dogs. Web chat to

(27:17):
the industry though with us about quarter pass and just
find out whether that was absolutely necessary. Six away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
All the ins and the outs. It's the Bearz with
business fiber take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Hey, here's a bit of good news. Love it the
latest electronic card spending DATUS painting an optimistic picture heading
into the next year, into twenty five. This is from Kiwibank.
It's for the month of November, core retail spendings up
four percent compared to last year. Now, a lot of
that was driven by Black Friday and specials that seemed
to begin to be beginning earlier and earlier every single year.
The improving economic conditions helped as well. So because of

(27:53):
those specials, while there was an increase in volume, we
actually spent less per transaction. So the question, of course,
is our business is missing out? Now the total value
of spending for November dropped two and a half percent,
and the perceived value per transaction was six point two
percent cheaper compared to last year. The average spend for
key retail categories dropped in almost all areas. Department stores

(28:14):
down five percent, clothing and footwear down zero point nine,
home and contents and furnishing down fifteen percent, or most
home electronics down four stationary and books down zero point one.
So it's steady at least. Pharmacy up three point one percent.
Now that's because they aren't seen as a place to
get prescriptions anymore. Think chemist, warehouse, everything else that they stop. Overall,
we value experiences over material goods, which is good from us.

(28:35):
Spending on dining out, entertainment travel jumped up hugely. Money
spent on sporting entertainment an increase of thirty eight point
two percent. It's massive, flight bookings up nearly nineteen percent,
recreational accommodation up eleven percent. Now you could maybe maybe
argue that we aren't actually doing more, we're just spending
more because everyone has put their prices up, But then

(28:55):
maybe that's a little pessimistic and ruins a good news story.
So we're just going to go with hey, spendings up,
it's looking good for retail, all right.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Now on the health work as they came in, I'll
tell you what like talk about vacancies. You've got a
vacancy in your business? What about this health? New Zealand
has put out the numbers of doctors and nurses that
they need. They need five thousand, two hundred and fifty
doctors in the next ten years. They need six thousand,
three hundred and fifty nurses.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
The good's massive, right, enough to make you go whah
waven like wave and try. That's just massive. But the
good news is we're actually getting on top of the nurses.
So we needed about thirteen thousand last year. Now we
need only about half of that, so that's doing okay.
Doctors though getting worse because we only needed five thousand,
one hundred last year. Now this year we need five thousand,
two hundred and fifty. Something's not going right there. And

(29:44):
the other weird thing is, I don't know if you remember,
but a couple of weeks ago we realized that they
weren't actually hiring all the available nurses, only only offering
jobs to about half the graduates. So I have a
chat to Health New Zealand find out what on earth's
going on here? And also D Day for the fairies?
What are we getting for our money? What are we hearing?
Transporting New Zealand on that shortly news togs EDB.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
The setting the news of Jedder and digging into the
issues Heather do for see Ellen on the mic asking
breakfast with Vida, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News togs
d B.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Hey, good morning to you. So the corook straight faery
D Day has finally arrived. We should find out this
afternoon what fairies the government plans to buy in order
to replace the labor ordered Korean fairies that they've canceled,
you know the ones. I'm talking about this at three
billion dollar deal joining me now is Transporting New Zealand's
policy and advocacy lead Billy Clemens. He Billy, Oh Mornia,
what are you hearing? Are you hearing two smaller ships

(30:46):
at a cost of nine hundred million bucks with a
break fee of about three hundred million for the existing contract.

Speaker 18 (30:51):
Oh look, we are reserving judgment on the on the
outcome until we hear that this afternoon. But look, I
think that what we have been hearing from the government
is fairly promising is that the overall costs will be
lower than that of the IRAS project, that hopefully we'll
continue to see a competitive market across the Strait, and

(31:13):
we'll also continue to see rail compatibility across the Strait,
even if that's not rail enablement.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
What does rail compatibility mean. Isn't that what we've already
got where you basically just take the stuff off the
rail cards and put it on the fairies and then
load it back on on the other side.

Speaker 18 (31:26):
Yeah, that's right essentially, So whereas rail enablement will have
those built and rail tracks on the vessels. Yeah, rail
capability and still ensures some degree of fixibility, but it
doesn't have some of those higher higher costs that railed
enablement means, which ultimately results in the irex project costs.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
One of the.

Speaker 18 (31:47):
Factors that lead to those costs continuingly glowing up.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Believe, if the reports are accurate nine hundred million for
the new fairies, three hundred for the break fee, then
we're at a cost of one point two billion dollars already, right,
so we're still shy of the three billion, but we
have to start upgrade the port infrastructure, don't we.

Speaker 18 (32:03):
Yeah, look absolutely, I think that the over all irex
cost was about twenty percent was the fairies and eighty
percent was port side costs. So he had Treasury pointing
out that, yeah, this is essentially a port side instructure
project with some with some ferries tacked on.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
And so guess we do the port side to just
you know handle medium sized fairies and just you know,
not fall into the sea. How much is that going
to cost?

Speaker 18 (32:28):
Well, it'll be the season we've had from the government
as it will be significantly less than that three billion
dollar figure. I think that ultimately what was really expanding
the cost of those facilities, first of all that rail
enablement and the fact there were very very large vessels
that were coming in, but also the fact that you
had one hundred year design life of those facilities, and

(32:48):
so we might expect that to come down somewhat, but
ultimately we hope that we still see a reasonably well
future proof facility because that's that's important for not just
for entrial and but for any other computer I'm operating
on that on that route. You've got straight m Z
at the moment that actually got a slightly greatest year
of the overall commercial vehicle market.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well stuff, Billy really appreciate talking to you. Thank you,
Billy Clemens, Transporting New Zealand Policy and Advocacy Lead. We'll
talk to politics Wednesday. Mark and Jenny will be thus
we'll have a chat to them about this after eight. Right, So,
howth New Zealand's new workforce plan makes for some grim reading.
They release the numbers we need another fifty or let's
try this, five two hundred and fifty doctors in the

(33:28):
next ten years and six three hundred and fifty nurses.
Now joining me right now is Health New Zealand CEO
Marji Appahamrjie.

Speaker 15 (33:35):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
How do we fill numbers that big? That's massive?

Speaker 12 (33:40):
Oh as well.

Speaker 15 (33:41):
Most of the progress of nesting, so you put doctors.
We've got a lot of work to do to recruit
but also important to grow our own and so you know,
we're really pleased that the initiative governs out to increase
the number of doctor training. But in the plan, you know,
we've got some really practical things that we need to do,
not just in secial treatment, but really focusing on those

(34:02):
specialties that need more doctors, growing your advancing, working with
private hospitals to get there involved, and helping us train
our staff. But also importantly, we have a lot of
doctors that leave the country early in their career and
we want to look at how we make advanced employment
officers and know that they can come home.

Speaker 20 (34:22):
It's a job.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
So if we're looking for some good news here, it's
the fact that we are actually catching up with the nurses.
Right We've managed to fill a whole bunch of vacancies,
but we're still not giving all the nurses graduating jobs.

Speaker 15 (34:33):
Why not, Well, we have offered new grad jobs when
we've had turnover, so they're still in existing vacancies. Of course,
this year our vacancy is dropped right down to just
over two percent, which is quite unusual for our sector.
So we are looking at other ways to create employment opportunities.
We're putting out some funding to the funded sector primary

(34:55):
care agent diitual Care to take these grads, but we're
also looking at how we can create some other opportunities
for within Health New Zealand. Even if it means that
we're giving them some simple experience for a year or two,
but certainly would like to see our turnover rates go up.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Which help don't we have? Don't we have vacancies currently
twenty two hundred and fifty vacancies for nurses.

Speaker 15 (35:19):
Yes, and some of those neses are for specialized areas.
And there are areas I've.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Got for example, right, So is it maijie? Is it
a case of we may have vacancies for senior nurses
which cannot be filled by graduates.

Speaker 21 (35:32):
Correct?

Speaker 15 (35:32):
Correct, And we would like to encourage our new grad nurses.
I've got a couple of hundred vacancies and mental health
for example, We'll be really keen to see some of
those roles with some helpfulce or good supervision. Can you
new grads can go into mental health rural and provincial areas.
We've got vacancies there that would like to encourage new
grads even if they have to shift, and if we

(35:53):
have to help them make that move, you know, we'd
like to put them to look at those opportunities as well.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, brilliant, Hey, thanks for talking us through at Major
Upper Health New Zealand seed Heather Dupless I have got
fantastic news for you. I'm full of good news for
you today, great news. Have you seen how rich we're
going to be when we introduce that capital gains tax?
We are absolutely going to be rolling in the dough.
So Debbie as in Debbie Narde Wapaka from the Marti Party,
Debbie was at Parliament News today and she just let

(36:18):
the cat out of the bag. She's like, two hundred
billion dollars. That's how much we're gonna make in the
next six years. I am thrilled. We're just gonna be
able to afford everything. Because let me just give you
an I'm just gonna put this in context for you.
How much money. Two hundred billion dollars is right, that's
thirty three billion dollars a year. Now, I'm going to
come back to that number. But two hundred billion dollars
six years, that's half the size of our entire economy.

(36:40):
I mean, that is a lot of money. This is
a slam dunk on the CGT.

Speaker 14 (36:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
We got to do it because if you're going to
bring in half of your entire economy, you've got to
do it right. It would be for every single dollar
that the government spends in those six years, this would
bring in about a third or thereabouts. So that's huge.
That's gonna help the government, you know, basically afford everything.
It is also twenty times more than the tax Working Group,

(37:04):
who are they even, what do they know? Twenty times
more than they said we would bring in. So Debbie's
on the money with this one eight I feel like,
you know what, I'm building a case for how absolutely
accurate Debbie is thirty three billion dollars a year. Now,
in order for us to get thirty three billion dollars
a year, what needs to happen is we need to
buy all the houses that we possibly can every single

(37:25):
year and then tax the hell out of them. Because
the highest number of how the biggest year property wise
was twenty twenty one, remember after COVID and everybody needs
to buy a beach house, and that year we bought
about ninety one billion dollars worth of housing stock. So
ninety one billion dollars if we can do that every
single year from here on, and so we're going to
have to start buying do that every single year, and

(37:46):
then we tax it at about thirty percent, So we're
just going to take a third of what you guess
roughly or thereabouts. I think we're going to be able
to make this work. I don't know about you, but
I'm feeling very confident about how awesome this capital gains
tax that Debbie's got planned for us.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
As quarter past the Hike, Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast
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Speaker 2 (38:09):
Listen, we're getting news that there is something going on
at Auckland International Airport. The terminal isn't chaos because apparently
there's a network outage or something like that, which just
and it's unbelievable that this would be happening at Auckland
International Airport. I'll give you the details as soon as
we get them. Right now. Eighteen past seven. Now, as
we know, when he's pulled the pen on Greyhound racing,
the industry's got twenty months to wind itself down and
then by July twenty twenty six, it is going to

(38:30):
be gone. Greyhound. New Zealand CEO Edward Renelle is with us.

Speaker 20 (38:34):
Hey, Edward, Yeah, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
List of this You see this coming?

Speaker 20 (38:39):
No, we didn't, to be honest, clearly we knew whe
we were under review. But the progress we have made
from an animal wealthare perspective over the last two years
and the last and the punid riv report, we're actually
what's pretty positive. So, you know, we yesterday's announcement and
the like of notice of it certainly quarters by surprise.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, you only get a forty five minute heads up?
Is that right?

Speaker 20 (39:02):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Why do you think that is?

Speaker 20 (39:05):
Well, look, it's not for me to answer that, but
clearly we would have liked the opportunity to speak to
government and outline what we've done in the steps we're doing,
in the commitment we've got too wellfare. You know, there's
the last economic impact studied as one thousand and fifty
four people employed by the industry, we contribute one hundred
and sixty million perandum to the economy. I think that's

(39:28):
certainly a decision that shouldn't be made lightly. And yeah,
for the sake of those one thousand and fifty four people,
I think the decision needs needs to be reviewed.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
It was quite grim to have that legislation passed last
night to stop dog owners actually getting rid of their
dogs in some sort of a hurry. Was that I mean,
was that a real threat?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
No?

Speaker 20 (39:50):
I don't believe it is. And that we have our
Youth in Asia policy that effectively encapsulates that policy. So yeah,
it's an offense anyone in the industry to use and
as a dog without the only way a dog can
be uthinas is on welfare grounds and by a venerian
So yeah, yeah, it was covered by our euthanasia policy.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Do you plan to fight this or are you just
going to take it?

Speaker 3 (40:17):
No?

Speaker 20 (40:17):
Clearly yeah, for the sake of those people, we certainly
are looking forward to engaging with government that will require
an amendment to the racing Industry exer. Clearly, through the
Select Committee phase we will be outlining the case for
greyhound racing very strongly and in many ways, I believe

(40:37):
greyhound racing is leading away from a wealthare perspective in
the raci industry in Newseum.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Do you reckon there's any point fighting it because it
feels like you might have lost your social license? What
do you think?

Speaker 18 (40:47):
Well, I think.

Speaker 20 (40:50):
It's not for me to decide, but we will certainly
be out I think this a hell of a lot
of misinformation out there in terms of grayhand racing. Clearly,
we owe it to the fifty four people that we
need to outline exactly the steps we're taken, and we're
not talking about growing and racing ten years ago. We're
talking about the present and I believe the welfare standards

(41:12):
we have in place appropriate to maintain a social license
to race.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Edward, thanks for talking us through. A best of luck
with everything, Edward and El Greyhound New Zealand CEO. Yeah,
here we go. Here's a text from Hamish here that
two weeks out from Christmas in Auckland and Auckland International
Airport is and chaos. The check and systems are down,
the boarding systems are down, it's all manual. The chicken
areas crammed with upset people. Officially, what we know is that, yeah,
there's a tech outage affecting the check in this morning.
But fortunately can tell you airport staff are offering passengers

(41:41):
water and snacks. So you thought you were going overseas,
but you're staying here and we're giving your water in
a snack. Seven twenty one.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
The Mike Asking Breakfast, Full Show podcust on aheart Radio
pw it By News talksb.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Hey Reasonably Big climate news Today, the government's put out
its second to mission's reduction plan. We talk to the
Ministry about that after half past seven seven twenty four.
At the moment, it looks like New Zealand Posts might
finally pull a trigger that they haven't pulled yet, and
they are now talking about actually stopping the delivery of
mail to some letter boxes. Now this you might go,
hold on, have I heard this before? You kind of
have heard this before, but not really, because up to

(42:18):
now the proposal has been, as far as I can see,
mostly to deliver, not to stop delivering to new houses.
What they're now talking about is actually not delivering to
houses that already get the letters. Right, so you already
have a house, you already have a letter box, Your
letter box has been getting letters for years. But now
they're saying we're going to stop doing that and instead,
somewhere down the road or somewhere in town have a

(42:38):
cluster of boxes like a post office where you basically
have to go get your mail. And according to the plan,
if they get their way, what they would do is
they would cut five percent of letter boxes every single year.
So presumably within twenty years you get to one hundred
percent and no one's getting any more mail anymore. Now
I'm surprised by this and when I say surprised, unpleasantly surprised,
I'm surprised New Zealand Post is prepared to be this
bold because, let's be honest about it. We don't have

(43:02):
to do this at some point, aren't we. I mean,
letters are a luxury. They cost us as a country
a lot of money. And this is what I think
we fail to understand a lot of the time. Getting
the guy around to drop your blinking I don't know whatever.
Direct mail from the taxpayer's union off to you is
not free. The New Zealand Post lost fourteen million dollars
in the last financial year. It lost fifty six million
dollars in the year before. That's money that we as

(43:24):
the taxpayer are basically losing. Now most things you get
you get in the letter. You can actually get on
an email. Now you can get your power bill, your
water bill, your rates bill, whatever. Some things still have
to come in the mail. I give you that your
credit card, maybe that little thing that you put in
that tails you've got an existing warrant of fitness or
regil whatever it is. But actually you can even get
that stuff in Korea instead of on the letters. I'm

(43:45):
not sure that there's anything that you have to get
via a letter that you can't get in some other form. Now,
I'm not heartless about this, right, I get that there
are some communities that are going to be hit harder
than others when eventually we get to the point where
they are actually pulling the letters out of our letter boxes,
the alder rural communities and so on. But frankly, it's
going to be a slip for all of us. So
they have to go down to wherever and get the

(44:06):
letter out of the old cluster box in town. So
we're all going to be in this together. But here's
the thing, right, the writing's been on the wall for ages.
The trend in letters is only going one way, and
that's downhill. And it's not a surprise it's coming to this.
It's just a pleasant surprise that New Zealand Post has
actually got the courage to start doing this and talking
about it right.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Now, Together do for Sea Allen.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Hither that satire on the capital Gains tax was a
little too subtle. I only realized you were joking at
the end. Hither, surely you are taking the piss about
the CGT. Debbie has not got a degree in finance,
give me strength herether have you checked guys? Have you
checked her numbers? You're such a just did Okay, I'm
going to I'm going to dial back the sarcasm, but

(44:48):
just I don't know how to, because there's nothing I
can do but be sarcastic about stuff like that, because
otherwise I would cry at the incompetence of it. So
I was trying to deliver the incompetence to you in
a way that you could kind of get it anyway.
But then it turns out I was also too sarcastic
about Auckland International Airport because hither I don't know what
rock you've been hiding under, but Auckland Airport's been in
chaos for years.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
I know. I know.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I'm giving you all of the sarcasms.

Speaker 14 (45:11):
So what we're gonna do jokes than when you have
to explain them, I find Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I've completely ruined everything by having to now explain to
you that I do not think the CGT is going
to work, and I think Auckland Airport is the international
part is a complete show.

Speaker 14 (45:25):
Now that's not what you said. You've changed your mind completely.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Now, as I as a woman prerogative, I will end
everything with just joking headlines?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Next, The Breakfast Show You Can Trust Heather duper c
Allen on the mic costing Breakfast with the range rovervi
LA designed to intrigue and use togs dead b.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Heather, have you seen the napkin that the capital gains
tax numbers were written on? I don't think the napkin
was big enough for all of the zero's for how
much money we're going to raken? By the way, sarcasm joke, Heather,
Is there any truth that you have? Nikola Willison after
eight and talk about her new book, Away with the Fairies,
also a joke. We've got nick We've got Mike Mitchell obviously,

(46:11):
and Jenny Anderson Regular Politics Wednesday crew will be in.
One of the things we're gonna have to talk to
Mitch about is that he has now appears another broken
promise on the old policing front. He's not going to
be introducing the legislation this year to crack down on
the boy races, which he said he would be doing.
And this is obviously after the five hundred cops that
were probably not going to get in two years even
though we're supposed to. And then you know, on another front,

(46:33):
he's not responsible for it, but same government surplus by
twenty twenty seven not going to happen, So we'll have
a chat to them about it very shortly. It's twenty
two away from eight.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
When you're still in the snool.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
So the government's unveiled the country's second emissions reduction plan.
This covers the period from twenty twenty six to twenty
thirty and this is apparently so ambitious. We're going to
meet our net zero twenty fifty target by twenty forty four.
The Climate Change Minister Simon, what's morning, Simon, Very good morning, Simon.
What's the magic trick here? What's the thing that you're
doing to get it down so quickly?

Speaker 22 (47:04):
Well, we're actually working with industry and business and we're
not just forcing and trying to write a teck from government.
We've got a number of initiatives across key sectors agriculture,
transport and also energy and you know, at the end
of the day, those initiatives are going to allow us
to hit our targets.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
There is a little bit of reliance here on like
things like methane busting technology which hasn't been proven yet.
Are we being a little hopeful.

Speaker 20 (47:30):
No, we've been.

Speaker 22 (47:31):
Working with the industry, We're working closely with the players
that are involved. We've taken a conservative position around that,
but you know, we need a plan that's practical and
achievable and we're not into pie in the sky. We've
been very conservative around some of our estimates and we
are confident the numbers we've got in there are going
to be the ones that are able to be delivered.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
What have you been conservative around, Well, well, we can take.

Speaker 22 (47:54):
A good look at the risks around the different products
and the outcomes that they're going to and we know
that there's a lot of unknowns in that space, and
we've taken a midpoint around some of those estimates. But
you know, our conversations with a number of these products,
incoding most or a lot of them that are made
and being produced in New Zealand is that they are coming,

(48:17):
and they're coming pretty soon, and you know that's going
to have a big impact for us. But also importantly, how.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Economy have we brought down the cost? How much we're
going to pay other countries to plant trees for us.

Speaker 22 (48:28):
What we've done is we've introduced and we've made announcement
last week, Minnis maclay and I around looking at a
forestation on crown land. We got a lot of crownland
that is not being utilized at the moment and we
see an opportunity there for us to work with a
private sector to do that. We've also put some caps
in regards to forestry on productive farmland, which we said

(48:48):
we'd do it the election, and a combination of those
policies is going to help us achieve our targets.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Right, So instead of paying others to plant our trees,
we plant our trees on crownland ourselves.

Speaker 22 (48:58):
Yeah, all we've said is we want to work with
a private sector to utilize unutilized crown land to plant trees.
And some of that benefit will benefit our climate targets,
but also more importantly, it'll benefit our economy through more
forestry products and more forestry excerpts.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
So have you got an update because the last update
on how much it was going to cost us to
pay the other countries to plant the trees for us
was twenty four bill by twenty thirty. What's it now?

Speaker 22 (49:24):
So the number in the plan is that number is
down to around eighty four a million ton gap. It
was one hundred and one million when we did the
draft plan. It's still significant gap and the focus has
been by this government this plan is on our domestic
targets and what we can do in that regard. Obviously
we're going to put thought to the international targets, but

(49:46):
my adjective from the Prime ministers to make sure that
we're on track for what's in New Zealand law, and
the plan that we've released today will achieve that.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Simon not my maths isn't awesome, but that sounded to
me like it's about eighty percent. The gap is about
eighty percent of what it was, and eighty percent of
twenty four billion would roughly about twenty billion. So we're
still facing a bill of about twenty billion dollars.

Speaker 22 (50:08):
Yeah, no, no, we're not going to face a bill
of that scale. There is a significant number of options
that we are going to have to consider around how
we do that the price in order to achieve that
in the way in which we achieve that, there is
a variety of options. But look, the government tends to
meet its target. Yeah, this deans focused on our domestic stuff,

(50:29):
which is in our domestic law, and we're on.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Track so if the bill is not twenty four billion
or twenty billion, what is it?

Speaker 22 (50:36):
We don't know the expact number because the reality is
there's still more work to be done in that space.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, that did they not give you a little like
a little range of what it may possibly be.

Speaker 21 (50:48):
They didn't.

Speaker 22 (50:49):
They provide the gap in terms of our target and
what we're tracking, and that number has been updated, but
the fiscal aspect is significant step beyond that because there
are so many unknowns.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Brilliant stuff, Simon, thanks for talking a US sir at Simon.
Watt's climate changement is to can't wait to see what
that bill is going to be. Heather, can you please
ask Ginny about her coalition partner Debbie and how confident
she is in the CGT numbers? Done? Will do? By
the way, in Wellington, because I do like a story
out of Wellington just to remind you of that there's
the country living normal life, and then there's Wellington. And

(51:26):
in Wellington, one of the key power brokers, of course
is the PSA, the Public Service Association, because they represent
all the civil servants. There are a lot of civil
servants in Wellington. The PSA has announced it's taking legal
action against the government over the fact that the government
has ordered the civil servants, the public servants back into
the office because you remember how they were like that,
working from home things not working for us, You need
to come in please. They reckon that it violates agreed

(51:49):
upon flexible working principles. Filed proceedings with the Employment Relations Authority,
the PSA's acting National Secretary and remember this name, Flirfit
Simon's because she wants to be a lab MP Fleur
said the government cannot simply require public servants to stop
working from home. I feel like it says a lot
about the old work working attitude. What do you think

(52:10):
I don't think that reflects well on the public servants
or the union. Seventeen away roommate the Mike Asking Breakfast
Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks at Me. Hey,
we're gonna have a chat to David Moffatt shortly because
there's a rumor that the next chair of New Zealand
Rugby to replace my mate Dame Patsy, It's going to
be David Kirk. You know David Kirk, And that's a

(52:31):
little controversial, so I'll run you through that shortly. Now
there's a little bit of drama in Parliament last night.
It's wee bit technical, but it was weird. What happened
was they were busy debating and voting on the Fast
Track Approvals Bill and it got to a brand about
half by seven last night, and then things started going
a bit strange.

Speaker 23 (52:47):
You've been here longer than me, but I've still a
relatively long standing member, having been here for sixteen years.
I have never seen the ruling of a presiding officer,
a chair of the committee of the whole House overruled
by the speaker.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
So what happened is that the Clerk of the House
is kind of like the nerdy lawyer guy there. He
looked at the amendments of this fast Track Approvals bill.
He said, this bill, No, there shouldn't be a government bill.
There should be a private member's bill because it's largely
of benefit primarily to privat ingcit He's very technical, but anyway,
he said, no, it should be a private member's bill.
And so Barbara Kruger, who was in the big chair,
said okay, and so she ruled it should be a

(53:22):
private member's bill. But then the Nats were not happy
about it and they will got to get the big
guy back in, So Jerry had to come back in,
sit in the big chair and overrule her.

Speaker 9 (53:30):
The Government is entitled to put legislation before the House
of this nature and we ask you, Sir, to overturn
the ruling.

Speaker 22 (53:38):
Of Madame Chair in the Committee of the Whole Hostate.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Now Labour was not happy about that.

Speaker 24 (53:42):
I'm not aware of any instance our researchers aren't aware
of any instance ever in the New Zealand Parliament where
the clerk's advice on matters such as this when the
speaker's been recalled has been overruled.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Now Jerry did overrule Barbara on that one, and so
the NAT's got what they wanted and they carried on. Now,
in and of itself, this kind of thing is not
the kind of thing that most of us are gonna
lose sleep over, Like I don't need any of us
saw that happen at half past seven and said, oh,
I will get not a winker sleep for the rest
of the night. After this unfolded the port of drama.
None of us thought that, not even them probably, But
it is unusual and in the case of a bill

(54:18):
that's already really controversial for bending rules. I reckon this
is probably not gonna help its pr This is gonna
give labor another attack line. We'll have a chat to
the pollys after eight o'clock. Quickly, Time Time has released
its This is Time Magazine Person of the Year twenty
twenty four shortlist. I'll run you through the highlights on
the Swinterkay. So in the shortlist, it's not the Person

(54:38):
of the Year yet, it's just how it's gonna be. Catherine,
as in Princess Catherine basically on the short list because
she got cancer, because the blurb says, stirred a conversation
about privacy and health for public figures. She's been a
runner up previously, hasn't actually won it. Donald Trump is
back on the shortlist basically because winning again has broken
broken a bunch of records. He's gonna be the oldest

(54:59):
president in US history, and he's going to be a
president who was convicted as a felon, so that's kind
of interesting. He's already taken out once before, in twenty sixteen.
Carmela Harris is on for basically running a campaign that's
literally it, for running a quote remarkable one hundred and
seven day presidential campaign, but then losing it. Anyway, She's
already had it because she was She and Biden got

(55:21):
it in twenty twenty together when they knocked Trumpy out
of the house. Joe Rogan is on the list because
he has basically got a great podcast for the fifth
Enna Roads, being named Spotify's top podcast racing.

Speaker 14 (55:34):
A popular podcast. I don't know that we need, sincerely
need to call it a great podcast, do he?

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Oh no, Actually that is a fair point, and that's
not sarcasm from you, that's just accuracy. Rogan is a
polarizing figure, having faced backlash for spreading COVIDT misinformation on
his show using racial slurs in the past. I don't
feel like he's going to win it based on that.
I don't know about you. Elon Musk, He's in basically
because he managed to hitch his wagon to Trump and
actually get something of it. He was already named in

(55:58):
twenty twenty one. Mark Zuckerberg facebooks on it because he
called out Elon Musks. They had Basically, they're both on
it for being on both sides of the Little bro
war for calling him out for some misinformation. He's already
had it as well in twenty ten, and then there's
various other people. Probably the most controversial I think is
Benjamin Netanya, who he's on the list for killing people literally,

(56:19):
it says the fine criticism of his war on Hamas,
the terrorist organization that killed twelve hundred people in an
attack on Israel. Netanya, who continued his military assault on
the Gaza Strip this year, even as the death told
there rose to forty four fifty six according to the
Gaza Health Ministry. I don't think. I mean, I know that,
I know that you get named the person, regardless of

(56:40):
whether you're goody or a baddie, is just where they've
had a massive impact. So he's technically in the running,
but I don't feel like he's going to get it.
I'm gonna put my money on Catherine. I reckon she's
gonna get sympathy vote on this one, and she's kind
of cool at the moment. So there you are, nine
away from ak Yeah, the dupless.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Hellent Farm, the my Casking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate
news dogs, they'd be.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
By the way. On Debbie and her CGT numbers. We've
actually got a bit of Debbie, Debbie talking about it,
so hopefully we'll get some time in the next half
hour to let you listen to Debbie selling her idea
right at you. It sticks away from mate. Now, the
rumor is that the next chair of New Zealand Rugby
to replace Dame Patsy Ready, is going to be David Kirk.
Obviously a name synonymous with rugby, so that's a good thing.

(57:20):
A few wrinkles in that appointment, though, former end z
are CEO David Moffat is with me now, morning David, Morning, Heather. Okay.
The first wrinkle is that he doesn't actually live in
New Zealand. He lives in Sydney. Is that a problem
for you?

Speaker 21 (57:34):
Not really, but I would say there'd be a caveat
to that.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
I'm sure.

Speaker 21 (57:40):
Firstly, I'm sure he will be spending quite a lot
of time trying to figure out what's happening or what
has been happening with New Zealand Rugby. But as long
as he can appoint his own chief executive and as
absolute faith in that person, I think he could work.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Do you think the signals the end of Mark Robinson?

Speaker 21 (58:06):
Well, my views about him are very well known, Heather,
as you know, I think We've talked about it in
the past. I think one of the things that a
guy like David Kirk needs is somebody that if he's
not here all the time, that he can actually have
a lot of faith in and trust in to do

(58:26):
what's right by New Zealand Rugby. And somebody who's not
going to be jumping on a plane every five minutes,
somebody who's going to knuckle down and basically get a
lot of changes that are required in ens are at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
But the more interesting rinkle I reckon is that he is.
This is David as the president of the Players Association,
which got into a massive spet with inside Out about
the silver Lake deal that he will now be in
charge of implementing.

Speaker 21 (58:53):
Yeah, he will, But I mean he's a really smart guy.
And what's more, he's been very successful in business and
very successful on the rugby field and with Wellington as
an administrator. So he's really great at the intersection of
the professional game and also the community game. And of

(59:15):
course it's the community game that needs a whole lot
of attention at the moment, having been ignored for so long.
So look, I've got no problems really with that because
as I said, David is a really clued up guy.
He's got a lot of contacts right around the world.
I think he'll do a great job.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
And now, which is such an important part of this
I would imagine David, thank you very much as always,
David Moffatt, former New Zealand Rugby CEO. Heither I post
cards and letters to friends at significant moments in their lives,
and as an example, I'm sending a bereavement card today.
It's much nicer than an email. For some controversial take
on lists, I want you to be able to send
your postcards in your letters. But my controversial take is

(59:54):
you now have to do it on the career. What
do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Can we do that?

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Then we don't have to spend millions on music and
post which is career cards and letters to each other.
We have to Polly's next Newstalks reb.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
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Speaker 10 (01:00:27):
Doll Dollar.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Right, You'll know the song, but you'll be like, who
is this doing the song? Obviously if you don't know
the song, let me fill you. When it's the Beatles.
This is louc Cinder Williams singing the Beatles from Abbey Road.
Now I'm just trying to decide if I like it
or not. Just then Lou Lou does this. Lou likes
to do covers lately of other people's songs. She's she

(01:00:59):
calls it her her jukebox, so lose jukebox, and she's
on volume seven of it. So she's done a lot
of butchering of other people's music or reinterpreting or improving.
It's entirely up to you and your ViBe's on it.
There's a whole bunch of songs on How many songs
are there? I know Mike likes to tell you this,
there are twelve of them. So if you like it,

(01:01:20):
twelve of these beauties to have a listened to with
me right now, We've got politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Jenny Anderson,
hire you too, but up you're Ally Jinny.

Speaker 25 (01:01:32):
Yeah, I quite like it. I'm there to go, I
think she she reminds me a bit of Miley Cyrus.
She does those sort of renditions of old songs with
a gravely tone.

Speaker 7 (01:01:40):
I don't mind it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Okay, Yeah, I don't mind it too. Actually, if I'm
completely honest with you, Okay, Jenny Listener, you're going to
be submitting on the post. Do you want the letter box?
Do you want the letters to arrive in your letterbox?

Speaker 7 (01:01:51):
Submitting on the post?

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
New Zealand Post wants to take the letters out of
the letter box five percent of us at a time,
every single year, and then make us go down the
road and get it from a cluss the letterbox.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
Yeah, it's not ideal.

Speaker 25 (01:02:02):
Is that when a mail was really important partecularly to
see your New Zealanders. I hear that a lot as
a local MP. And so it's one of the big
challenges with people moving away from sending leaders is that
people are still around who want them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I'm into it, Mitch, I reckon. I can find better
things to do with the millions of dollars that we
spend on the posters every year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
I mean the thing, the way we receive our information
get our information out is changing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Without a doubt.

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
That's been happy now for ten to fifteen years. I look,
I've had a po box most of my life. Just
the way it's been so yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Basically like that's basically going back to the old days. Now, Mitch,
I need to talk to you about this business with
the boy racer broken promise. What's going on here? Why
couldn't you get your legislation.

Speaker 12 (01:02:43):
In this year?

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
So, look, there's the ledgers, a bit more complex than
I thought.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
I just want to start taking these boy racers cars
and bites and start crushing them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
What's complex about that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:02:55):
There, I thought Judith did that, did not do that?

Speaker 6 (01:02:57):
Well, well, Judith had outstanding legislation, but it required three warnings,
and I'm taking the three warnings away. We're just going
to start taking them. So the long and short of
it is, there's a bit more complexity in there. But
the good news is it's on the front of the
queue for next year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Okay, is there? Okay with you? Ginny? Can we wait
for a little bit longer. I mean, it's not like
anything's going to happen over some anyway, is it.

Speaker 25 (01:03:18):
Well, he did say he'd also get five hundred police
officers by the end of November, and then the commissioners.
You know, he's not say that and then and so
and but then he's trying to guess everyone by saying oh, no, no, no,
we're all the same page. So I wonder whether he's.

Speaker 7 (01:03:31):
Going to do the same thing with the boy racers.

Speaker 25 (01:03:33):
You know, it does seem like a bit of a
pattern with Mark but big stuff and doesn't mean it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
Well, I can, I can tell you this much on
hereded shambles where crime was heading in the wrong direction.
We've got more police down on the beat, Aorklan CBDs,
a lot safer. Gang Ledge is proving to be very
effective on getting top on top of the group.

Speaker 7 (01:03:50):
That's so I've got at reciting these lines.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
I've got to get them.

Speaker 7 (01:03:53):
You're really good at getting out you know, you do
them again again.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Like a little button.

Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
Well, Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, You and Chris Hipkins wandered with
confused folk.

Speaker 7 (01:04:00):
It looks on your face to say that is today too,
that's another one of you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:04):
Well, well that's the reality of it. I don't know
why is policeman, So you weren't up dealing with your CPD.
I don't know why you weren't over in a pokey
dealing with all the gang harm.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
Over Well, you'd be surprised. You make stuff up, But
I wasn't back.

Speaker 6 (01:04:19):
That's the whole problem. And that's why the good news
is keeps are starting to feel safer. We've got a
lot more work to do. We know that when here
it is a miss, but we're making some good and
rights and I want to acknowledge the police.

Speaker 25 (01:04:29):
Yeah here that I just want to say here, there's
been that one News poll out again around about seventy
percent of New Zealanders either don't feel safer or no difference.

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
So I'm not sure how make comes to that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
I didn't understand that because I know literally nobody who
doesn't like what they're seeing with the police. And how
do we explain this CHINNI.

Speaker 25 (01:04:48):
Well, you'd have to ask all those New Zealanders who
were interviewed by TV one seventy percent say no difference
or not safer from this government.

Speaker 6 (01:04:55):
Well, that's that's that's actually not true. And the problem
with Jinny, with your numbers is you can never it's
exactly true.

Speaker 7 (01:05:02):
Add up the two lots and is that two lots
edited together who no difference? You can go back check
them up.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
The check to the matter is this, Jenny, is that
one US polled earlier in the year and they pulled
again a couple of days ago, and there is a
definite trend of people in this country starting to feel safer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
I feel like, can I just say that poll though, Jenny,
I reckon the answer actually lies in the question. And
I remember thinking this at the time, because the question
was do New Zealanders feel safer under the Coalition's law
and order policies? And and if you ask me that
question without specifying which policies you're talking about, I reckon
I would scratch my brain also. But I think it

(01:05:39):
was too vague. Like I think if they were like,
do you feel safer with the crackdown on gangs? I'd
be like, yep, do you feel safer with more cops
on the beat?

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
It was just it was a badly worded question, I think,
which that's.

Speaker 25 (01:05:49):
The sick yeah, which sometimes sometimes those polls the way
they worded it as difficult and actually acknowledge that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
It brings us to the treaty principles one which I'll
have to talk about. But Mitch tell me quickly, Hey,
can we just settle this thing for me? When are
we getting the five hundred cops? Are we getting them?
On the twenty seventh of November twenty The target.

Speaker 6 (01:06:07):
The target has always been as part of the couldure
that we are driving towards November twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
We know that is ambitious, and we know that we've
got some hidden.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Are we getting them all by November twenty four?

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
So that is what we're working towards here.

Speaker 25 (01:06:21):
Then the point is that, right, we know he's not
going to get there. The police have said that, but
they have to say this because of the coalition deal.
But it's just going to be problematic as we get
closer and closer to twenty seven November and they're not
going to have them. This is going to make life
harder for Mark. So he's just on that now and
say look, we're not going.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
To win his office. And so when he can't, I
just tell the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Please give me permission, trust me, Ginny, things been hard.
Doesn't bother me at all. We're going to That is
our target. That is what we'reiming for.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
Casey, who's got the delegation, is working daily on this
to make sure that we strive and we will deliver
on that number.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
All right, listen, we'll come back after the break. Got
to talk about Debbie and her her tax numbers eight fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
That'd be right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
You're back with politics Wednesday, Ginny and Mark Jinny. Did
you did you see Debbie's maths on the CGT.

Speaker 7 (01:07:15):
I did?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I did you like it?

Speaker 25 (01:07:18):
I think they could numbers could be a bit out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I think it's a little like maybe twenty times.

Speaker 25 (01:07:24):
Yeah, it does seem like a lot and that's not
what the text working group got.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Yeah, so it does seemkay you feel about I mean,
because the thing is the other day Chippy ruled out
essentially working with Winston again. That leaves you the Greens
and the Maori Party to form government with. I mean,
this is not good for your your economic credibility on
either of those fronts, is it.

Speaker 25 (01:07:44):
Well, it's a long way to go before then, and
we'll be doing a lot of work between her maths,
we're doing work on also on what's what's the text?
It will be workable to get us out of this
situation where you've got a lot of people getting older
with not enough text.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I mean, nobody surprised, are they by Debbie's meths.

Speaker 6 (01:08:06):
Well, maybe they'll make as part of the Green Coalition,
they might make Debbie finance spokes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Labor.

Speaker 7 (01:08:15):
Can the imagine this?

Speaker 25 (01:08:17):
Imagine this, Imagine if we had a gun lobbyist in
our party and we made them the minister in charge
of rewriting the firearms.

Speaker 7 (01:08:22):
That would be crazy. Oh wait wait they did that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Hey did it?

Speaker 7 (01:08:26):
Didn't that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
I feel like I'm I'm least scared of a gun
lobbyist running guns than I am a Debbie running the book.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
Jenny's criticizing someone that that worked across government and actually
making the country safer.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Motivated doing that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
But yeah, you're remark I would support I would support
Debbie as the finite spokesperson for the greend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Hey, Letch give me give me your lines on the fairies.
What are we hearing today?

Speaker 6 (01:08:54):
Well, I think there's the announcement is today, So obviously
obviously there was announcement to I.

Speaker 7 (01:09:00):
Don't think they've got key lines on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
So much so, Mitch, do you know that we're getting
two medium sized fairies for more than we would have
got two big fairies for.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
I can't get ahead of the announcement that the fact
of the matter is that there will be an announcement,
but it won't be me making it, obviously, Nicola, and
and I can't get ahead of that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Are we paying? Are we paying more for the two
Toyota corollas than we would have for the two ferraris?

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
So again, I know, as much as I'd like to
tell you here that I cannot say anything on that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Okay, fine, We've got as far as possibly could with
that one, I think, Ginny, Anyway, what do you guys know, Ginny,
because you.

Speaker 25 (01:09:37):
Know more well, the break fee is meant to be
three hundred millions, and that's not the end of it.
So that's the concern for us that will end up
still in negotiations with Korea for this IRX deal, and
that's going to keep going up because they've got out
of a contract that was already in place, and that's
going to cost Keyw's for nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
But so okay, so hold on, So, Ginny, are you
here that the three hundred million break fee is just
the start of the break fee and there's more more
to come.

Speaker 25 (01:10:04):
We've heard that that's money set aside for that, but
we don't know what came dividence.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
So then I've got three hundred million for the break fe,
I've got nine hundred million for the fairies, so that
takes us to one point two. And then we need
to pay for the port infrastructure and how much is
that going to be?

Speaker 25 (01:10:17):
That's that's that was the bit that was huge, and
so that's the problem we have with these furies is
that they might not work for that infrastructure.

Speaker 7 (01:10:23):
So that's unknown as well.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Now well that the labor, like usual on any of
the approjects, take their eye off the ball. They don't monitor,
they'd mess upon all the way through the country. The
country couldn't afford it, and initials bring some discipline, plage.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
I reckon, plan trouble. I reckon, you might be in
trouble on this one because I don't know that the
smartest this didn't plan out the smartest way. I mean,
did we consider taking the ferraris and then selling them
to somebody else who wants ferraris and then using that
money to buy the corollas and having money left over.

Speaker 6 (01:10:54):
Look, we would that the best decisions we made for
us as a country in terms of what we is
fiscally responsible and we can afford and we'll deliver an
outstanding service that will be appropriate for us as a country.
We're five and a half million people, and as much
as we'd like to build out massively expensive infrastructure like
countries with much bigger populations.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Do we have to write size it for us?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
All right, Jenny, listen, have you talked to Peeny about
being sent down to the Privileges Committee.

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
I have not talked to him yet.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Does he look happy. I think he'll probably be happy,
won't he?

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Look?

Speaker 25 (01:11:24):
I didn't think you look very happy. But you'd have
to ask him how he felt about that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Because I thought I felt sorry for him because it
looked like the Malori party. We're going to get in
trouble for the hacker, but not him, and I know
he's desperate to be part of that gang.

Speaker 25 (01:11:35):
Well, I do know that when things are before the
Privileges Committee, you have to be very careful because the
speaker gets very grumpy with MPs who talk about both issues.
So I'd have to be very good and say, let's
wait and see what the privilege is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
So the correct line is not happy about being in
front of the Privileges Committee. All right, Hey, guys, thank
you very much, Thank you really appreciated his politics. Whensday
might mittill Ndini and is a eight twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Heather do for the Llen on the My Hosking Breakfast
with Alvida Retirement Communities News togsa'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
There's no point in having ferraris if they don't fit
in the garage, which is a fair point to make.
Twenty four past eight. Now on the polling, right, So
if you were talked to yesterday about the polling with
the Treaty Principles Bill and what the Curier polling had
come through, and then if you watched One News last
night you would have seen that the One News polling
was completely different, right because Curier yesterday said that there

(01:12:27):
was enormous support basically for the fundamental ideas behind the
Treaty Principles Bill, for changing it from the status quo
so that when whoever gets to decide what happens with
the Treaty Principles, it shouldn't be the White Punggy tribunal
or judges. That should be Parliament, all the people. And
sixty two percent support for basically maintaining universal rights like
one person, one vote and making that more important than

(01:12:50):
Treaty rights so if you looked at the Curier polling,
you were like, oh, David Seymour's bill is incredibly popular.
But then One News last night found the complete opposite.
They found only twenty three percent supported the bill, thirty
six percent were opposed to it, and thirty nine percent
a really big group didn't know enough about the bill. Again,
like the crime question, One News asks crappy questions, it's

(01:13:11):
about the question that they're asking. I mean, if somebody
said you came up to you and was like, do
you support the bill? You would have to know a
fair amount about the bill to know whether you supported
or on it, and I think most people don't, however,
and which is why I think they're getting a different
result there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
However, what this says to you is that David Seymour
has got to sell the ideas in the bill. He's
got to explain it to people. Otherwise the same outcome
is going to happen as what happened in the One
News poll, where he's going to struggle to find support
because people don't know what he's talking about. Jebbing Ardi
were packer, Okay, this is said. We had a little
bit of her defending her idea with a capital gains tax.

(01:13:46):
So this is her selling the idea that it would
bring in maybe up to forty billion dollars every year.

Speaker 26 (01:13:52):
These are figures that we've had come to ours three experts,
but at least a minimum.

Speaker 14 (01:13:56):
So yeah, two hundred billion, Yeah, how does that work?

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
I guess.

Speaker 26 (01:14:03):
I guess the whole way that has been worked out
is on the fact that if we had I think
a lot of the details in our text policy as well.
But if we're to sit there and look at a
few things, we've got that with the Kepler gains texts
and Kepler gains text from our perspective, was also not
just looking at from those sorry to let me get
my head about the policy, not just looking at it
from those who are selling houses, but those that actually

(01:14:26):
own more than one house.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
And then when they were like, but you'd know, we'd
have to sell all the houses and text everything in
the house, this is how she responded.

Speaker 26 (01:14:33):
I think again, if we were to look across the
regional figures, and I feel really sorry, I feel slightly
undressing at the moment because the figures that would come
out of being probably bunked for the whole and other things.
But the reality is is there's some really strong figures now,
whether that our figures or the someone else the figures
that should be part of our future.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
I just want to point out she's undressed on her
policy for which she is the code, like she's the
co leader of the party, not some random back then,
just pointing that out. Steve Price with Us shortly new
still zippy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Demanding the answers from the decision makers. Can then Duplessy
Allen on the mic asking Breakfast with Vida, Retirement, Communities,
Life your Way, news dogs head b Man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
That stuff at Auckland International Airport appears still be ongoing.
They still seem to be having an external outage problem
that's caused everything to crash and stuff. But here's the
worst bad about it. Apparently it's been going on since
three am, so that we're into we're basically getting to
the six hour mark for some people presumably who are
still in those cues. So I thought some prayers to them.
Are twenty three away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business got Steve Price.

Speaker 12 (01:15:47):
With Us out of Ozzie hast Hey, good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Oh that visit to the synagogue did not go well
for elbow, did it.

Speaker 12 (01:15:54):
No, anyone who saw the pictures of him being hickeled
and hassled outside the Assaid Israel synagogue wouldn't have gone well.
So since I spoke to you on Monday, of course,
it's been revealed that Anthony Alberniz, he was in perfect weekend,
ended up playing tennis for two hours at a place
called Cotterslow Beach on Sunday, when he could have been

(01:16:15):
on the other side of the country visiting the synagogue.
He finally decided to go there yesterday. I met with
the local is the local Jewish leaders of that synagogue,
and when he came out, there was a pressing crowd
of a mixture of congregants and media, I would suggest,
and he refused to take any questions. He made a

(01:16:37):
brief statement. He was alongside the local member of parliament,
a guy called Josh Burns, who was himself Jewish, and
then he started getting heck with. One person screamed out,
nice day for tennis. Another said, what have you done
for us? Where have you been while you're not been here?
I've rarely seen I'm trying to remember this morning. The
last time I would have seen Australian promise treated like that.

(01:17:00):
I really am struggling to remember. I don't have to
almost go all the way back to Bob Hall during
a pilot's strike. But it was a really bad look
for Anthony Albanesi. He was pushed into his armor plate
at BMW and rushed away from the scene. Yes, he
made announcements about rebuilding the synagogue and all the things
that people wanted to hear, but I don't know that

(01:17:23):
he'd be all happy about what happened there yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
No, and then the stuff continues, isn't it, Because you've
got another attack in Sydney.

Speaker 12 (01:17:30):
Yeah, this is overnight, same area of Sydney, to the
eastern suburbs where the large Jewish population of Sydney years
Police confirmed just a few moments ago that a number
of cars and buildings were damaged indulged with anti Semitic
slogans in Malara, a suburban inner east of Sydney. It
happened about one o'clock this morning. Emergency services responded there

(01:17:52):
far and rescue had to put out a fire. There
was a car daubed with anti Semitic slogans. Another two
buildings on a street called Magny Street. The second attack
there in less than four weeks. Two men have been
arrested following that attack a couple of weeks back. But
this is just awful stuff included slogans like if Israel

(01:18:14):
with Israel spelt wrongly, the people are moronic.

Speaker 20 (01:18:18):
But it just goes to show that this.

Speaker 12 (01:18:20):
Anti Semitic mood in this country is at a very
dangerous level and people are really worried about it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Hey listen LoveFest letter by what Peter Duttan is doing
with the flag. So he says he's only going to
have one Australian flag and is not going to stand
beside indigenous flags at pres events if he's elected Prime minister,
is this going to work for him?

Speaker 20 (01:18:40):
If?

Speaker 12 (01:18:41):
In a short answer, I think it probably will. When
Anthony Albanezi was elected in twenty twenty two, he immediately
chose every time he had made it a public appearance
that the Australian flag would be in the middle. You
would have the indigenous flag on the left hand side
if you're facing out as the PM would be, and

(01:19:02):
the Torres Strait Islander flag on the right. Peter Duttner
said one flag, one country. We should all be united.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Now.

Speaker 12 (01:19:10):
Is this a political move by Peter Dutton? Of course
it is, and it comes at a time when obviously
we're questioning our togetherness as a nation with all of
this anti Semitic carry on, and so yes, I think
it will work for him, and it comes in advance
and you know the ongoing debate about twenty sixth of
January Australia Day when we should celebrate that. So Peter

(01:19:32):
Dutton has chosen to do this. I mean what he's
doing I think really cleverly. Is he setting himself apart
from labor He's going to go We will hear in
the next two days costings on his nuclear power plant
idea of having nuclear power in Australia one flag. He
doesn't want to be seen as labor light. He wants

(01:19:53):
to be seen as a true conservative. That's what he's
going to do. He's putting his political future on the line.
Is it a gamb Yes, it is. Will at work maybe,
and the Poles say it probably is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Steve, you off on holiday from next week.

Speaker 12 (01:20:07):
Is that okay with you?

Speaker 21 (01:20:08):
Heather?

Speaker 16 (01:20:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Mate, I'll tell you what I feel like. I could
you have well deserved it, we all, haven't it. Are
you doing anything.

Speaker 12 (01:20:13):
Interesting coming to New Zealand for ten days in your
beautiful country driving around in a very expensive rental car?

Speaker 15 (01:20:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
And are you doing North or South?

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
North?

Speaker 12 (01:20:25):
No, South's for people who don't know New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Well you reckon North is where there it's at.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Oh I love it.

Speaker 12 (01:20:33):
I met once, said Christmas in a beautiful place called
Ruffle in the north of the North Island. Fantastic post,
good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Will listen. I hope you have a wonderful time and
it's been lovely to chat to you. Go well and
happy holidays to you. That's Steve Price out of Australia.
North is where it's at, isn't it. You want what
you want to do? I reckon is you want to
go north in the summer and you want to go
south in the winter, and if you can, If that's
basically I would say, just treat it exactly like that.
Just it's just a it's a seasonal split and then

(01:21:02):
you've got it absolutely sorted. You don't want to faff
around with the skifields up north if you can have
the ski fields down south, but you'rel sort don't want
to faf around with half harder temperatures down south when
you can have the brilliance of the warmth up north.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Listen on the councils, man, I don't even know how
to help councils anymore. They are the pits and they
just you can tell them time and time again, don't
do that, don't do that thing, don't do that, and
they go, you know what, I'm going to do that thing,
and todung It is doing that thing. Todung. Yesterday totung
Is City Council voted to a point unelected EWEI representatives
to council committees. Now what this means is that these

(01:21:33):
people completely unelected, full voting rights on the council committees,
rate payer funded salaries. This is basically the mirror of
what just happened at the Hastings District Council earlier this
year where they put the unelected youth councilors on. Do
you remember that it's got a bunch of youth and
they were like, you haven't been elected, become and come
sit here, have some money, make some decisions for us.
Now there's a democracy aspect to this, obviously, where people

(01:21:55):
are unelected, So what the hell are they doing making
decisions for us? We didn't ask for them to be there.
But also the money toad hunger has just increased rates
by thirteen percent on average, it's somewhere sitting like about
sixteen percent, so it's a reasonable amount. That's a lot historically,
And so what they're doing is they go, yeah, it's
hard for the rate pays. We just put up the
rates quite a lot. But what we're gonna do is

(01:22:16):
we're just gonna put some other people around the council
put up the rates a little bit more because we
don't have a lot of money. But we're gonna spend
money on these guys, and rate pays will get nothing
out of it. You don't get a new road, you
don't get a new bin, you don't get I don't know,
a new skate park or have they got lots yep.
And we would notice that as all clanders because we
don't have any bins. So that's a point of difference

(01:22:38):
for them. But they're not gonna get anything new. They're
just gonna get a bunch of people sitting around a
table creating hot air, costing them money. You can't help
if this is the kind of stupid stuff councils are doing,
you can't help but just give up, give up on them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Quarter two, The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Hither they need to appoint a commissioner in todunger a CEE.
They had the commit is there. Everything was running fine.
Colin makes a point that everything was running fine. Minute
the commissioners get out of the door. Mahi's like, we
need an anti fluorine tap outside the city boundaries. We
need lots of unelected officials. We need one hundred and
fifty one hundred and fifty million dollar museum. I don't
actually know if that was more. That may have been

(01:23:17):
the commissioners themselves. Hey, I've got some good news on
the gas.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
We don't get a lot of good news on the
gas right because we all know gas is running out
in this country and that's that's a diabolical situation for us.
Good news on the gas is we've got this outfit
called Graymouth Petroleum. It's one of the gas companies that's
still here in the business in New Zealand doing the
extraction and stuff. They reckon they've got they've got it.
They've just drilled a well near Stratford, sputted At about

(01:23:41):
three months ago, and they reckon. They have got what
they call a material amount of gas coming out of
the well. Now it's floating. I don't expect you to
know what this means, so I'm gonna explain it to you.
It's flowing at rates exceeding seven terridual terridules of gas
a day. Seven terrriduls. Now seven terror duels of gas
works out if you work it out of the year

(01:24:01):
at two point five petta duels, and we are short
ten petta duels. So normally in a year we would
use about one hundred and fifty petta duels of gas,
and normally we would have had enough of that stuff.
But you know, everything's starting to put out, and so
we've only started getting about one hundred and forty petta jewels,
so we need ten petaules. Now, if this gas keeps
flowing at the level that it's flowing at the moment,
apparently we will get about a quarter of that two
point five. Now, that's not going to solve all of

(01:24:24):
our problems, right, But my biggest can't be choosers is
the situation we find ourselves in at the minute with
the gas. So we will take this. We will take
the two point two.

Speaker 14 (01:24:33):
Any petajuels are welcome, petted jewel.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
That's exactly right, because you're gonna turn on your gas
hob at home to cook your food and you can
be to look at all those peta duels coming out
of there. I need this to be happening, so good
on them. And also kind of maybe is a sign
that we haven't found all of the gas that's out there,
which is the opposite of what labour keeps telling us
labors like, don't worry, guys, we haven't found any gas
in ages. Well, we just found some at Stratford, So

(01:24:56):
there's something. Also. I don't know how you get to
feel about this, but you know how, we're getting rid
of all the public servants and stuff to try and
save some money at the minute. ESR, the Environmental Science
and Research Agency, they are getting rid of sixty four roles.
And when they were firing people and stuff before Christmas
is never a fun idea. So what they're doing is
they're giving them some They're sending out documents to them,

(01:25:17):
giving them some advice on how to kind of move
on from this, how to either retire, leave the workforce permanently,
get set up to start a new role whatever it is,
or move to Australia. They're giving them advice on how
to do that. So they give them a little bit
of understanding of visa requirements, cost of living in Australia,
the job market, preparing a tailored resume, leveraging job search platforms, networking,

(01:25:41):
being able to adapt to a new cultural and environmental landscape.
Like all of the stuff tells them to think about
all of these things before they move to Australia. How
do we feel about that? Because these people are scientists,
so presumably we want to keep them in the country.
But then again, I feel divided on it. Then again,
if I have the voice of paying their doll or

(01:26:01):
they're moving to Australia and having a happier life there
costs me nothing, maybe that's a better outcome. I don't know. Anyway,
I feel like, oh, guess who's running ESA as well
at the moment. Daddy ash Sir Ashley Bloomfield is over there,
so anyway, it's just a whole can of worms at
the ESA nine away from.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Nine every Ellen on the mic asking Breakfast with the
range Rover Villa News talksb.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Here the NZDC announced to find in Tartanuki last week.
Also actually quite right, I didn't, I thank you because
because as a result of that text, I googled it
and it did happen last week and I didn't see
it because I had the rona And we can talk
about that some other day. But don't get the rona.
But yeah, they found some more gas in the Tutucky
field in Tartanuki and they reckon it's some significant volumes.
Got share on the program tomorrow, which I'm very excited

(01:26:48):
to tell you about. I have been practicing since I
found out, which was yesterday. I've been practicing saying her
name properly because I have been saying sr for like
all my life and a pair It's not sure. It's
share as in share role, which is her name? Or
she thought her name was cher Lynne. Didn't she until
she was thirty five years old, and then she found

(01:27:09):
out that her mum because her mum was like eighteen
years old and stressed out and having a baby and
didn't know what she was doing, she put the wrong
name on the birth or somebody put the wrong name
on the birth certificate. She didn't know for thirty five
years her name was something else. Anyway, she's going to
be with us. Fascinating because everybody was doing drugs around
her and she didn't get into the drugs. I'm always
fascinated by people who don't get dragged down by other people.
We have a little chat to her about that, I think,

(01:27:30):
amongst many other fascinating things. Five Away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Independent UK MP has created a little bit of a
buzz online. This is Ekbal Muhammad, who's the MP for
Dewsbury and Batley, and he was making a speech against
the law that wants to ban something. The law wants
to ban first cousins being able to be married to
each other. Muhammad didn't like it.

Speaker 27 (01:27:54):
The reason the practice is so common is our ordinary
people see family in to marriage overall as something that
is very positive, something that helps build family bonds and
helps put families on a more secure financial foothold.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
So he likes the idea, and so he thinks instead
of banning first cousins from marrying each other, this is
what he thinks the UK should be doing.

Speaker 27 (01:28:19):
Instead of stigmatizing those who are in cousin marriages or
those inclined to be, a much more positive approach would
be to facilitate advanced genetic test screening for prospective married couples,
as is the case in all Arab countries in the
Persian golf.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
So the idea there being that if you want to
marry your first cousin, you do a little DNA screen
and they go, yep, you're good to marry each other
bybe I mean, let's be honest, by the time you're
getting around to marrying your first cousin, you've been getting
freaky with each other for a while, haven't you. So
that's a bit weird. Did you know, though, did you
know it's not illegal to marry your first cousin in
New Zealand legal Lots of people think that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
Actually, I always just thought that was one of those
things that happened, like, you know, if you had a
tender date and you know, you suddenly had all these
amazing common interests, you know, with somebody, and then eventually,
in a sitcom kind of way, you find out that
you've actually been dating your cousin.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
And what is this?

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Is this happening in real life or in your dream?

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
No, no, I just feel like it's happened. It's a sitcom,
you know, sort of. It's like a story that you
have a storyline that it would happen. You know, that
they were adopted out at birth or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Is this when the redundancies inevitably strike this show at
some stage and you lose your job. This is your
documentary idea or like you'll Netflix got.

Speaker 14 (01:29:37):
Lots of ideas, have you, Okay, I'd not always good
as that one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Yeah, I'd watch it, and I think a cabal would
probably watch it as well. Listen, don't be taking don't
be taking this news you just got about marrying your
first cousin and it being allowed in New Zealand. Don't
is that doing things with this information? Just forget I
ever said, throw it out of your head and carry
on with your day. Set tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
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