Full Show Podcast: 12 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No fluff, just facts and fierce debate.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Heather Duplicy Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's
Real Estate, doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy three
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
Morning and Welcome coming up today. Primary Principles are just
the latest in the education sector to reject their payoffer.
They want a fifteen thousand dollars lump some payment though
with US after seven We've got more good news on
visitors to the country, the Visa P three travel ideas
paying off. Unfortunately, bad news on the councils. They have
underestimated how much they need to spend on water and
Wellington is in for a blockbuster weekend. They've got the cricket,

(00:36):
the cruise ships and the Avatar Premier and then Tim
and Carey. We'll do the week that was good.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Heather Duplessy outlets.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Time magazine is just named its person of the Year
for twenty twenty five this morning, and it's not a
single person. It is the architects of AI. The magazine says,
no one has had as great an impact this year
than the people who designed, imagined, and built AI. This
was the year, the mag says that we stopped talking
about how clunky AI is and instead started sprint to
deploy it as fast as possible. And now quote the

(01:03):
risk averse are no longer in the driver's seat, which
is probably true. But I'll tell you what, the risk
a verse is still a really big proportion of us,
aren't they. And I think there are broadly three categories
of people when it comes to AI. You got the
ones using it. You've got the ones apathetic about it
and waiting to be convinced that they actually need it.
And then you've got the ones who are terrified of it.
And the terrified ones are the ones who fascinate me.

(01:24):
They're the unions convinced that AI are going to take
the jobs. They are the forty seven percent of kiwis
who don't trust companies to use AI ethically. They're the
rule lovers who want the government to set up more
rules to protect us from AI. They're the artists and
the musicians who are pretending that AI can be stopped
from learning or what they call stealing their ideas. They
are the people complaining that AI photos and AI videos

(01:44):
and AI songs are somehow evil and misleading. Resisting AI
is not a strategy. AI is happening and it's not
going to go away. Resisting it feels a little bit
like a repeat of the resistance towards the computer thirty
forty years ago, which even Time magazine called a bad
back then. And then look where the computers are now.
The way to deal with AI is to accept that

(02:05):
it is going to fundamentally change everything and then figure
out how to make it work for you. And the
case in point today is Disney giving open AI permission
to use its characters, like the Star Wars characters, to
make videos. Like Mark Cuban said on the show yesterday,
AI is going to be big, and we actually have
no idea how big yet.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Views of the World in ninety seconds, the.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Nobel Peace Prize when a Maria Karina Machado has made
it to Norway to collect her reward, being seen in
public for the first time since January.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
This is some of this individual conscious decisions that bring
that collective ethos that creates the force to strength and
the courage to fight for freedom.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Gore Stark warning from NATO about Russia and the idea
of war on multiple.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Fronts Lucia has brought.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
We're back to Europe, and we must be prepared for
the skill for our grandparents and great grandparents and George
and mention it our conflicts reaching every home, every workplace.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Now, as we told you yesterday, the feed went with
a twenty five basis point count. Trump though wanted more.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
We should be able to do a lot better than
three and four wish scheduled to be at four percent,
which is pretty amazing because we have a.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
You know, deadheaded fed hair in the sky. The head
of the Federal Reserve is at.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
Now.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
A company backed by the Pentagon is showing positive signs
with its fentanyl vaccine.

Speaker 8 (03:37):
I want to make this as easily accessible to people
as I possibly can, both to law enforcement, military first responders,
but also people suffering from opioid use disorder and also
to people who are fentanol naive the inadvertent poisonings.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Kirstama is employing the junior doctors. This is over in
the UK not to strike for five days this side
of Christmas as they deal with the super flu.

Speaker 9 (04:00):
We put an offer on the table to deal with
those issues, but that offer can only go forward if
they don't take strike catsup, particularly in the run up
to Christmas, particularly when we've got a problem with flu,
it'll be irresponsible for BM to push through it.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
And of course the call to get the JAB has
gone out.

Speaker 10 (04:17):
Well.

Speaker 11 (04:17):
The figures showed around two and a half thousand patients
in hospital across the country with flu at the moment,
and the suspicion is that the prediction is that we're
going to go up to around six maybe eight thousand
patients in hospital at.

Speaker 12 (04:31):
The very peak.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
And that is news of the world in ninety seconds. Now,
getting a little bit more detail on the US takeover
that Venezuela and oil tanker. So the US claims that
the tanker is used to transport sanctioned oil from Venezuela
and around to foreign terrorist organizations and the one that
they're talking about here, presumably is Hezbola. And the tanker
has been spotted floating off the coast of a run.

(04:53):
It's been identified as the Skipper. Now apparently the ship
has been spoofing its position, which basically means broad casting
a false location for a very long time. It's reported
to be part of the Dark Fleet, which refers to
ships that are used to smuggle sanctioned goot goods. It
left Venezuela. This time last week. It had one point
eight million barrels of heavy crude oil on board. About

(05:14):
two hundred thousand of those barrels are no longer on
the vessel because it was transferred to another vessel before
the US managed to get on board the thing. It
was sailing under the flag of Guyana when its position
was updated a couple of days prior to the seizure.
Guyana says it's falsely flagging flying this flag because it's
not registered in Guyana. So here you go, starting to

(05:34):
understand a little bit more about it. Imagine twelve past six.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
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Speaker 3 (05:46):
By the Way. On the flu in the UK, which
we just mentioned before in the news of the world.
It is now being called the worst case scenario. They
have hospital flu cases jumping fifty five percent in a week.
They have a daily average of two thousand, six hundred
and sixty beat people being treated for the flu. Quarter
past Bregg Smith of Generators with US Morning Greg, Morning Heather,

(06:08):
what do you make of the fed cut?

Speaker 13 (06:10):
It was a hawkish cut, so yeah, they came through
with a quarter p set reduction, taking their range to
three and a half to three points seventy five percent.

Speaker 10 (06:17):
But it was actually a bit messy, so it was
actually the most divided vote in six years.

Speaker 13 (06:21):
He had nine members won in a small cut, two ordered,
no cuddle all, and perhaps no surprise, Trump's appointee, he
actually pushed for a much bigger cut. So the feeds
a bit torn at the moment.

Speaker 10 (06:31):
Droon Pewell, the.

Speaker 13 (06:32):
Cherry said the well positioned to wait and see, so
don't count on anything in general unless the data actually weakens. Nonetheless,
markets like that. Willisa dowded that's up over five hundred.

Speaker 10 (06:42):
Points feed zone predictions.

Speaker 13 (06:45):
One cut in twenty twenty six, another in twenty twenty seven,
so they're not really rushing to reopen the stimulus taps.
Inflation remains a sticking point. Pell also made a pointed remark.
He said Trump's tariffs are doing much of the work
in terms of keeping inflation. No surprise at present, responded,
He said, actually were for minutes that the cup should
have been at least double, and he's going to pick

(07:07):
a more aggressive rate color when Pale's term ends in May.
So that was interesting, but perhaps no surprise I just
remember hear the fans doing all this were fairly limited data.
We had that six week government shut down, so that's
left them flying partly blind. But yeah, when they meet
again in January, they'll suddenly get three months of a
backlog on jobs inflation. So yeah, that could shift the

(07:28):
whole conversation. But the investors like that cut.

Speaker 14 (07:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Now we've just been talking about AI and I see
Oracle shares of fallen.

Speaker 13 (07:35):
Yeah, they have, so rough day for Oracle and a
rough day for tech. Obviously, a lot of questions around
the AI narrative when whether all the spending in particular
is worth it, And that's I suppose when Invester's focused
on with Oracle, So shares down over thirteen percent. Cloud
revenue actually going pretty well up thirty four percent, infrastructure
sixty eight percent terms of the cloud, but numbers short

(07:55):
of expectations.

Speaker 10 (07:56):
So actually doing some impressive things.

Speaker 13 (07:58):
They're building mass of AI our data seen this for
open AI, tiktop, meta and video, and they're positioning themselves
as an old ten blocks of Amazon, Microsoft and Google
in the cloud race.

Speaker 10 (08:07):
But this is coming at a cost.

Speaker 13 (08:10):
So Keple expendsire hit twelve billion in the quarter that
was more than the eight been expected for the full year.
They reckon they're going to spend fifty billion dollars there
a few months ago they said fifteen, and so it's
the spin, but it's not the demand. If you look
at their contracted future revenue jumped fivefold to five hundred
and twenty three billion dollars, So it was a tick
in the box. But yet it's coming at a cost.

(08:31):
They got needed a free cash of ten billion dollars.
They got over one hundred billion dates. So that's what
investas are a bit worried about. There were some positives
earning speed expectations. Their cloud revenue is now larger than
their traditional software business. They're trying to reassure investors. But yeah,
I suppose investas cast the massive AI demand, that there's

(08:52):
massive spending on the other side, and questions about whether
it plays off.

Speaker 10 (08:56):
And of course I got some ount worried.

Speaker 13 (08:57):
Of course, with heid Disney investing a billion dollars in
open AI, so you're going to be able to make
videos with your choice of two hundred Disney characters, including
Star Wars and of course of course Micabius.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
See what you're going for fairst Fontierra a GM yesterday
sounded interesting.

Speaker 10 (09:17):
Yeah, that was pretty upbeat. So look, dairy farmers, I've
had a solid year.

Speaker 13 (09:19):
Obviously we've had some weak dairy auctions this year, but
not payots have been very strong, Earnings have been better
than expected for the co op. There's lots of demands,
not the issue's there's obviously lots of supply coming out
of South America, of New Zealand in the Big Seven.

Speaker 10 (09:38):
But ye, look it's been a good year.

Speaker 13 (09:39):
Fontier's message was we're stable, we're profitable, we're setting up
for the next decade. The investment program was talked about
as well. Of course they're selling it off, and farmers
and need a pretty nice payout next year. That should
have some trickle down effects for the broader economy. It's
just it wasn't about shrinking. It was about simplifying and
doing what they do best. They're cautiously optimistic for the

(10:01):
year ahead. Yeah, we know farmers are facing some headwinds
in terms of fertilizer and labor costs and compliance, but
has a strong payout behind them and in the future
looks pretty good and certainly has been a good year
for the co op shares up around forty percent twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
All right, give us the numbers, so.

Speaker 10 (10:19):
You've put alex bags.

Speaker 13 (10:20):
So you look at the DOW that's up one percent
forty eight five four seven. But on the other side,
the NASDAK or the tech Laibl index is down one
point one percent, S and P down point one percent.
For see one hundred UK that's up half percent nine
to seven oh three, Nicka and Japan down point nine percent,
A six two hundred up point two percent. In Australia
eight five nine two. We're up point two percent as well.

(10:42):
In Sex fifty thirteen three nine five, Gold up forty
four dollars forty two seven two and seventy two and
ouncenters all down dollar twenty one fifty seven spot twenty
five a bell just in the currency markets, the US
dollar versus a K fifty eight point two, that's upper touch.
Also against ZIE dollar eighty even point two four British
pound with forty three point three that was down point

(11:04):
three percent, and we're down half percent. Against the yen
we're ninety point three. So yeah, bit of a mixed bag,
but yeah, good day.

Speaker 10 (11:10):
For the doubt.

Speaker 15 (11:11):
Good stuff.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Greg, Thanks very much. Enjoy your day. Greg Smith from
Generate Wealth and Key we save a specialist just on
the Fonterra discussion there with Greg with Greg John Stevenson,
the Fonterra Cooperative Council Chair. It's going to be with
us after seven. I'll tell you what I'm interested in
is why it is that the Big seven are all
producing so much milk at the moment. The Big seven
are ourselves, the EU, the US, Australia, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay.

(11:32):
He's with us just after half past six twenty one.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
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Speaker 7 (11:41):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Here the why on earth should these principles be given
pay rises when they've been generally useless. They should be
thankful to be given a packet of ginger nuts for
morning teeth. Elfhie, thank you. It is it's quite a
lot what the I'm not gonna lie, it's quite a
lot what the principles are asking for. So there are
two sets of principles, just because you get to be
slightly confused by everything that's going on with the education
sector at the moment, but there are two. There are

(12:04):
three sets of principles. You've got the Secondary Principles, they're
not even involved in this. And then you've got the
primary principles represented by two different unions. The collective they've
already settled. Now you've got the NZDI. Now the NZDI
wants the same thing that the Secondary Principles got, which
is fifteen thousand dollars for curriculum change, right, just to
be able to cope with the curriculum change. But that's

(12:25):
on top of the ten thousand dollars Professional Learning and
Development Fund, and on top of the literacy and numeracy
salary component increase of three to eleven thousand dollars a
year to take it to it. Now you've got twenty
one thousand a year max. You want to add another
fifteen to that, and then you've got the four point
six percent pay rise. So I'm not surprised people might
be getting a little, you know, towards the end of

(12:45):
the tether with the principles, waverchair to the principles about
that after seven Right now it's twenty five past six.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Trending nowmers Warehouse your home for Christmas shopping.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Now, anytime there is an insight into Simon Cole's life.
It seems to go viral. He has done a new
Netflix show which gives a behind the scenes look at
him trying to find a new boy band. It's called
The Next Act. But it's the little moments, like his
routine and his diet interactions with his wife Laurence Silverman
that is getting the most attention, Considering how private he is.

Speaker 16 (13:14):
Simon lakes Here's routines, he is a creature of habit.

Speaker 15 (13:19):
Are you having lunch?

Speaker 12 (13:21):
A crumpet? A crump half a gumpet?

Speaker 17 (13:24):
Thank you so much? Looks delicious.

Speaker 18 (13:26):
I have to eat half of this now and then
save the other half for dinner.

Speaker 16 (13:31):
I'm so sorry. I'm so sad for you. He routines.
They just drive me nuts. But I think a lapra
doesn't change those farts?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Do they know?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
So stop me if any of the sounds familiar when
you're thinking about a person that this breakfast audience will
know relatively well. Except Simon Cowell seems to take it
to the extreme, so he fasts for seventeen hours a day.
He's a big fan of the intermittent fasting. He has
the same breakfast, lunch, and dinner every single day, a
green smoothie for breakfast, half a crump half a crumpet
for lunch, as you just heard, and then the other

(14:00):
half of the crumpet for dinner. In fact, he cuts
everything in half. He drinks four ninety calorie beers a day,
but he tips half out of each one just to
make it a shandy. Dinner is at four thirty, sound
like anybody you know. Total calorie intake for the day
is less than a thousand. He does six hundred push
ups a day. He hates clutter, always has his assistance
cleaning around the clock because he has allergic to dust mites.

(14:20):
He doesn't actually like talking to anyone outside of work,
and in one clip, complained about having to go to
his step son's middle school graduation because he couldn't be
bothered watching all the other kids. He wears the same
Amani jeans every day, has two hundred identical charcoal gray
T shirts every day. He wears a new pair of
underwear fresh from the box. Also doesn't understand any form
of tech because he has around the clock assistance for
everything that he does in his life, and a kid,

(14:42):
you're not. At one point, Lauren hands him a phone
number and he doesn't know how to put it in
the phone and then press the green button to stay.

Speaker 19 (14:48):
Are you talking about Simon cow and Mike Hoskin one
like the same person one?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
They probably even share that same pair of Amani jeans.
Life is interesting next them Fonterra.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Asking the questions others won't Heather dup c Allen on
the mic asking Breakfast with Vida, Retirement Communities, Life your
Way News togsad B.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Heather is a qualified engineer and having received for the
last god knows how many years pay rises of one
to one point five percent, I find these teachers and
principles absolutely outrages. Also, my wife is a secondary school
qualified teacher, and you know, and it goes on to
explain a little bit more of that, but I think
a lot of people will be feeling much like that.
We're going to talk to the principles after seven o'clock.

(15:44):
And also it looks like the tweaks to our visa
settings are paying off, so we'll have a chat about
that as well after seven twenty three. Away from seven,
I wish now Fonterra's warning farmers to expect lower earnings
next year with global production now outstripping demand. The co
op is already lowering its forecast or has already to
nine and a half nine dollars fifty paquilo of milk solids.

(16:06):
John Stephenson is the fon Terror Cooperative Council chair, is
with us.

Speaker 20 (16:09):
Morning John, Good morning Heather.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Now what is going on here that everyone, the Big
seven is producing so much milk at the moment?

Speaker 20 (16:16):
I think sort of. You know, commodity prices are a
reflection of global supply and demand, and in the strong
prices we've seen over the last twelve months have driven
a supply response, So it's something that we've seen before.
But you know, for us as funders obviously that that
impete on prices is not something that we're so happy about.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, this increase in production from the Big seven? Is
this a blip or is this the new normal? They
will hold it at this level.

Speaker 20 (16:45):
I think, you know, so we've certainly seen really historically
strong prices, so it's not surprising to see that supply response.
Have also seen relatively low feed prices as well. So
those overseas systems that rely more on ported feed than
the grass systems we run here, they've got the ability
to respond pretty quickly. So I mean the cure for

(17:07):
higher prices can be higher prices because of that demand
response or the supply response and the effect that he's
on demand. So hard to say either, but you know,
we'll certainly be keeping a closer untaps.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Now you're talking there about the full cast payout, which
isn't isn't you know, outstanding for the farmers. I saw somewhere.
You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought
I saw somewhere that we will be back to twenty
five levels, which were records in about three years or so.
Is that right?

Speaker 20 (17:34):
Again from a farmer's perspective, it's really hard to say
than others, but yeah, certainly we would hope to see
a return to those strong prices. But in saying that,
you know, we are at the wim of those global
markets and supply and demand. It's basically as simple as that. Either.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah. Now I've got to talk about the butter John
because you know, I'd be shot if I didn't it.
I see the price of butter's come back nine percent
on the markets. What's it doing at retail? Has it followed?

Speaker 20 (18:04):
And there's always a bit of a leg on both
the upper and the downward side. You know, obviously as
supplies of milk and the products that we can make
out of milk, dairy farmers like to see strong prices,
but you know better we've seen what's happen in the
global dairy trade, so you know is if that continues,
expectations will be to see that they'd impact on store shelves.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
John, thank you very much for your time, Look after yourself,
have a good day. That's John Stephenson, Fonterra Cooperative Council Chair.
Just on the subject of commodities, price of cocoa, So
two more chocolate bars in the UK have now been
banned from calling themselves chocolate because they're not using enough
cocoa to actually be considered chocolate because of the price
of cocoa. So it's the Toffee Crisp and then the blue
Rye Band products. They are now officially being described as

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encased in a milk chocolate flavor coating, when of course
they would like to and had previously said they were
covered in milk chocolate. It's nineteen away from seven the Mic.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
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Talks ab.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
How about this for a message, Morning, Heather. It's great
to see global dairy prices going down as when it
goes up. Key we is also get the hit awesome
for food services and hospitality mat continue Merry Christmas, Jamie
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we have Richard Arnold, a US correspondent with US morning.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Richard, good morning.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
So what happens next after the tanker was seized?

Speaker 12 (20:15):
Yeah, good question.

Speaker 21 (20:16):
US officials are saying the seizure of this tanker does
not signal as yet a broad scale war silt. Trump
was not so clear about that the other day, was
he when.

Speaker 12 (20:24):
He was asked, can you rule out an American ground invision?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
I don't want to rule in or out. I don't
talk about it.

Speaker 21 (20:31):
And a number of lawmakers, Republican and Democrat, are raising
concerns about this escalation in the pressure campaign against Venezuela's
leader Duro, says Democrat Adam Smith.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
We should not be trying to dominate the Western hemisphere.
This is going to drag US into a conflict that
is incredibly costly.

Speaker 21 (20:48):
Well, we're finding new details about the seizure of this
tank or. A US federal court judge issued the Cazre
warrant a couple of weeks ago because of activities by
this vessel called the Skipper in smuggling Venezuela and Irani
oil that was subject to American sanctions. Over six months
at the start of this year, that ship transported nearly
two million barrels of crude oil from Iran to China.

(21:10):
Money from that trade is said to have been used
to support the Iranian back Hesberla and also the CAB
security force in Iran itself. The tanker was doing this
by faking its locations. Its location transponder would suggest it
was in one place, when in reality it was one
hundreds of kilometers away. As to the wider US pressure campaign,
the US for a long time was the largest buyer

(21:30):
of Venezuelan oil, but political tensions changed that and China
now buys around eighty percent of Venezuela's oil exports. Venezuela
has huge stocks of untapped oil reserves and rare minerals.
Now the US has carried out what twenty two attacks
on Venezuelan drug boats, with eighty seven people killed in
those attacks. The Trump administration says these strikes are aimed
at stopping the drug trade from Venezuela, and it singled

(21:53):
out concerns over fentanyl, with President Trump asserting that every
Venezuelan drug boat leads to the deaths of some twenty
five thousand Americans, where that number comes from unknown. Meantime,
America is the primary and virtually only mass producer and
exporterer of fentanyl Mexico, with China sending small amounts as well.

(22:13):
So all that is leading to the debate over what
really is at the core of this focus on Venezuela.
A new Reuters IPSOS poll has forty eight percent here
saying the US should not be conducting these boat strikes
without first getting court approvals, while around seventy percent opposed
US military intervention in Venezuela.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Now, things lately are not going ICE as way, are they.

Speaker 8 (22:37):
No?

Speaker 21 (22:38):
Now, federal judge has just ordered the immediate release of
the man at the center of one of the most
notorious deportation cases here, that of Obrego Garcia. He you
recalls the Salvadoran who's been living in Maryland with his
wife and kids before he was targeted by the trumpetration
enforcement the ICE team. The judge says, this case is
extraordinary and there's.

Speaker 17 (22:57):
No doubt about that.

Speaker 21 (22:58):
Back in March, Nobrego Gascia was flown off to the
toughest prison in Latin America. The Seacot prison in Salvador.
No one, they say, I was going to get out
of that place. But he was released finally, had been
sent there initially without due process. Trump claimed he was
a member of a terror group and at one point
showed a photoshop image of the man supposedly with drug

(23:21):
tattoos on his fingers that was fake. He was then
flown back to the US, then arrested again to face
human smuggling charges. They were going to ship him off
to Uganda and then to Garner at one stage, but
that all fell apart. The Trump team is calling the
release order the actions of an Obama appointed judge. So
on goes the politics. Meantime, protesters are clashing with the

(23:42):
ICE agents in Minnesota. Trump has been speaking out against
Somalian refugees as we've been hearing and saying the US
should seek immigrants from Norway, Sweden and Denmark, countries with
mainly white populations instead of what he calls and let
me quote him carefully, s whole countries.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Okay, Richard, thank you very much, appreciate it. Richard Arnold,
US correspondent twelve away from seven.

Speaker 22 (24:05):
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Speaker 3 (24:11):
So it was the New Zealand Rugby Awards last night,
and occasionally these things can be reasonably controversial, but I
feel like last night there was some lovely little things
that came out of it. The first, of course, is
Ardie Savia being recognized. He was recognized as the Player
of the Year and also the Super Rugby Pacific Player
of the Year. I mean, definitely played extraordinarily well in
Super rugby, probably less so at the Test level. But

(24:34):
it's very nice, isn't it Because this year was a
big year for him. It was his one hundredth Test.
He had a great season with Mwana Pacifica. It was
his last season for now with Wana Pacifica. He's heading
off to the sabbatical in Japan. So nice way to
cap it off in December. Put a bow around a
nice little recognition. Also Rob Penny, now I reckon Rob
Penny has got his vindication on his critics. Ay, think

(24:55):
back to the first season of the Crusaders and he
came in after Raiser, and back then Raiser was still
the golden boy and he couldn't do anything wrong. And
so Rob comes in and the Crusader, start playing like
rubbish and don't win for the first time, and you know,
one thousand years and all of a sudden, Rob needs
to be sacked because Rob is a crap coach, well
coach of the year. So how about that got on

(25:17):
your Rob? I always knew he had it in him. Well,
I mean it's easy to say that, now, isn't it, Heather,
And this is ree Simon Cole cowl. It's like, I can't.
It's like David Bowie. It's Bowie Bowie, And it winds
me up when you say Bowie because I know it's Bowie,
But then I do the coal and it's the opposite cowl. Anyway,
So I was telling you about Simon Cowell earlier and

(25:38):
all his weird stuff, and it's smoothie for breakfast, half
a crumpet for lunch, half a cruppet for dinner, constantly cleaning,
just just wild. Somebody's text and said, adrenal fatigue obsessive
behavior can be a coping mechanism. Now, I thought we'd
set all the adrenal fatigue thing, and I thought we
had all decided adrenal fatigue was in fact a hoax.
That is peddled by happies. Have we changed our mind

(26:01):
on that ten away from seven.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Heather dol And on the my casking Breakfast with a
Vida Retirement Communities News tog sad.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Bhither your news department was surely joking. I worke to
hearing an outrageous increase in the primary principle salaries. I've
just showered and I've missed the discussion. But it was
a league pool, wasn't it, No, John X principle, not
at all a league pool. I'll run you through it,
and just to take when I get a chance, can
I just say that we're going to talk about hemp
in about twenty minutes time. It kind of blows. I

(26:31):
cannot understand why we have these outrageous rules around hemp
where you can't grow the hemp, and now even now
like the light and rules require the hemp growers to
go to the police and say, well, with hemp, it's
not marijuana. Now, I'm guessing that's probably the clue is
that they look the same and they got a little
bit of same same stuff going on in there. So

(26:52):
we've just gotten here. Smoke enough hemp you can get high.
Probably so we're gonna it's like just the years on.
At the time it probably seemed a good idea, but
years on, you go, aren't we crazy? Sometimes? Anyway? That's
with us quarter past seven right now, it's six away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
All the inns and the outs.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
It's the fiz with business fiber take your business productivity
to the next level.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
So after the spring market surge, our house prices hit
a relatively large speed bump in November. Month on month,
the average asking price dropped three point five percent. This
is across the country. The asking price is now eight
hundred and fifty two thousand dollars, so it's down about
thirty thousand dollars compared to October. Despite the month on
month dropped house prices are still up zero point eight
percent for the year. There were only a few regions

(27:38):
where asking prices went up. The West Coast was up
four point nine percent. How good for you. Taranaki was
up three point four percent, Nelson, Tasman area up two
point three percent. The biggest drops were in Hawke's Bay
down ten point two percent, and then Gisbon down eight
point six percent. However, that drop for Gisbon has come
off a major high for the year. They have had
the biggest asking price increase for the year at more

(28:00):
than twenty one percent. The average asking price for the
main centers have also come down as well. Auckland is
now one point zero five millions, that's a million and
fifty thousand, Hamilton is eight hundred and twenty seven thousand,
Wellington is eight hundred thousand, and christ Church is sitting
on seven hundred and twenty thousand dollars, right, So the principles,

(28:22):
So what the principles is? If you didn't catch us earlier,
I actually do think the bear is repeating because I
just think it's going to give you just I'm just
going to preload you for this interview so you can
understand what we're dealing with here. Principles already getting about
ten thousand dollars in one development fund. Then they're getting
an increase in like a numeracy and literacy fund of
between three and eleven thousand dollars. To add that together
maximum twenty one thousand dollars increase. Then they're getting a

(28:43):
four point six percent pay increase offer of I think
it's over two years, but that's not enough. Now they
want fifteen thousand dollars on top of that, and that
seems to be the thing that is holding everything up.
So you know, you can compare that to what you've got.
I mean, I don't know who. When's the last time
you got a thirty six thousand dollars pay increase if
I'm calculating that correctly, in one year, And you can

(29:06):
decide for yourself if that seems I don't know reasonable
to you. Look, I have resisted discussing this for the
last few days, but I think now it has reached
the point where we probably need to. And this is
the two degrees ad. Heather that two degrees AD is
the singularly most annoying ad in the history of radio advertising.

(29:28):
And I got this text just now. I have been
getting texts on this on the daily. But do you
know what we and one of my friends even said
to me the other day, Oh, two degrees AD. Now
I've thought about it, and I was like, okay, two
degrees they pay us. So this is this helpful? Yes,
I feel like this is helpful to two degrees. I'm
helping two degrees by now attracting your attention to the ad.
So you're going to hear it the rap ad and

(29:50):
then we can talk about this perhaps later in the show.
Once you've heard it. When you hear it, send me
a text, tell me yes or no on it, and
we'll discuss it maybe in an hour's time or so.
Principles with us.

Speaker 11 (30:00):
Next News Dog.

Speaker 8 (30:01):
ZB so.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Tough on power, sharp on insight, Heather Duper see Allen
on the mic asking Breakfast with the Defender, Embraced the
impossible News Togs.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
EDB, Good morning. Just as we start to get some
wins on the board regarding education, unfortunately another education payoffer
has been rejected. This time it's the primary Principles who've
turned down the four point six percent pay rise. Robin
Brown is the principle of Bertuville School and a member
of the NZI negotiating team and with us morning.

Speaker 23 (30:40):
Robin, good morning. How are you going?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Heather? Very well? Thank you? So is the sticking point
here the fifteen thousand dollars curriculum change allowance that the
secondary principles got, which you guys want as.

Speaker 23 (30:49):
Well or yes, particularly, I mean that is substantially more
than we were offered in our offer.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
How much were you offered?

Speaker 23 (30:58):
We weren't offered anything for curriculum correctum change at all?

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Okay? Were you offered a professional learning and development fund
of ten thousand dollars?

Speaker 23 (31:08):
We were, yes, but that was not something that had
actually been put forward in our teams.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Okay, and ask that cool. And were you offered an
increase in the literacy and numerousy salary component of up
to eleven thousand dollars a year?

Speaker 23 (31:21):
Yeah, but that will be removed after two years, okay.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
And you were also offered four point six percent pay
rise yeap.

Speaker 23 (31:29):
Which is still below the inflation rate, which has time
to mount to a cut in our in our pay rise.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Okay. So you've been offered up to twenty one thousand
dollars plus four point six percent, but you still want
another fifteen on top of that.

Speaker 23 (31:44):
What we want is recognition for the unsustainable workload and
curriculum upheaval that we're having to deal with at the moment.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yes, okay. So if they say to you, if they so,
if they say to you, we recognize all your work,
you will take the offer. Or if they say to you,
we give you fifteen thousand dollars for recognizing all your work,
you'll take the offer.

Speaker 23 (32:03):
We will take that offer. Out to our principles and
see whether they would be prepared to take that offer.

Speaker 15 (32:07):
Robin.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
The reason I'm asking you this is that a lot
of money that you are asking. I mean, you guys
are basically asking for an increased payment of thirty six
thousand dollars plus four point six percent. No one else
gets that kind of money, And.

Speaker 23 (32:21):
I think what we're looking at is what has been
offered to secondary principles, and if we were made an
offer similar to that, we would have taken that out
to our principles. At the moment, our principles do not
feel that the offer we've been given is fair and
it doesn't recognize the workload that we're having to sustain
at the moment.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Robin. I mean, I don't want to belistle the good
work you guys are doing, but aren't the secondary principles
actually dealing with greater curriculum upheaval than you guys at
primary level are.

Speaker 23 (32:50):
That's a question that I've been asked one hundreds of times,
and I'm sure any principles across the country will tell
you that the workloads for principles of principles across the
country is huge, whether your secondary or primary the workload
is enormous, and primary you have far few fewer people
in order to implement curriculum change. This is not a

(33:13):
competition between secondary and primary principles. This is a obligation
for our sector to be paid for the workload that
we're expected to be.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Just tell me what I am misunderstanding here, because for
the secondary principles, I'm seeing that they are having to
overhaul the whole NCEEA system, which is massive across a
lot of subjects at quite a technical level at the
end of school. Whereas for you guys, you're basically introducing
structured literacy and reading substructured literacy and maths, which is
basically simplifying what you're doing because it's very explicit in

(33:43):
what it tells you to do. So you just have
to follow the manual plus an hour of reading, writing
and maths. Like, if you compare those two things, the
fifteen thousand is much more warranted at secondary level than
at primary, don't.

Speaker 23 (33:56):
You think at the moment where now, until I've heard
read duration of that curriculum. We were dropped that curriculum
in October for implementation, and it is significantly different to
the previous two curriculum drops that we've had, we're having
to change. We've not seen an assessment component of it.

(34:18):
We're waiting daily for updates. We're getting updates on the
last days of term. The workload is huge. Reading, writing,
maths are foundational. They are what established the rest of
the curriculum for the rest of schooling through children's lives.
You can't compare the difference in that application across the

(34:42):
school because not only are we implementing those three core areas,
we're also having to look at the rest of the curriculum,
which is all being implemented the following year. So the
workload is just unsustainable and that is verified by the
fact that we know we've had nearly a thousand prints
leave in the last three years.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
All right, Robin, thanks, thank you for tom I probably
have to leave it there. You have a lovely day.
That's Robin Brown, the principle of Birchville School and a
member of member of n z EIS Negotiating Team twelve
past seven.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Heather duper Ellen, it looks like those are.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Recent tweaks to our visa settings are paying off. Just
one month into the new Visa Free travel pathway being
in place. Over thirteen thousand Chinese and Pacific travelers have
come here on it. This is the setup. By the way,
if you don't know what I'm talking about, that that
is basically for travelers who already have eligible Australian visas
to come here without having applied to do so. David
Cooper is the CEO and the director of New Zealand

(35:36):
Immigration Partners. Morning, David, Well, Heather call those numbers a success.

Speaker 20 (35:42):
Absolutely people that may have come to museum.

Speaker 24 (35:47):
I guess what the book is.

Speaker 20 (35:49):
Well, we're going for Hop Across the Ditch.

Speaker 10 (35:52):
And New Zealand as well.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Now is this a case of if you make it
easy enough, people will come? Simple as that?

Speaker 10 (35:59):
Ah so?

Speaker 11 (36:01):
And also the promotion I think it has been a
lot of promotion in China to the travel industry.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
For your time, listen, David, I think we're gonna have
to leave it there. I'd love to talk to you
about this big Your line is unfortunately very dodgy. You know,
it's twenty twenty five and technology hasn't caught up. David Cooper,
CEO and Director of New Zealand Immigration Partners. Listen, I
just want to give you next week is a big week.
We've got the GDP being announced obviously for Q three,
and probably a reasonably big revision for Q two. Of course,

(36:33):
Q two was the horror one. A and Z has
put out a note revising what it thinks is going
to happen in Q three or what it thinks has
happened in Q three. Next week, they reckon, we're going
to get told that the New Zealand economy grew by
one percent in Q three, which is double what they
were picking before, which is zero point five and it
is more than double what the RB and Z is
forecasting of zero point four percent. This of course means

(36:55):
like that's the great thing. It wasn't that bad the
last you know. We can take a win there. However,
of course, the flow and implications are what happens with
the OCR. OCR will start to increase. It will be
that A and Z it says steady next year, but
then the hikes start in February twenty seven, fourteen past seven.
Let's deal with HEMP next the Mike.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
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Speaker 3 (37:18):
B Hither these principles are delusional. I'm in construction. I
just let thirteen staff go, I haven't had a pay
rise in four years. This makes me sick. Yeah, I
think we'll have to come back to the text on
that as a fair for you coming in seventeen past seven.
Now the government slashing red taper wants around the once
controversial hemp industry. Farmers will no longer need a license

(37:39):
for crops with less than one percent PHC. They still
have to notify the cops though, so the police know
it's not marijuana that's been grown, just hemp. Richard Barge
is the president of the New Zealand Hemp Industries Association
and with us morning Richard.

Speaker 24 (37:51):
Good morning here. Thanks for the opportunity ask good to.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Talk to you. How is it that hemp has ended
up being so regulated given it's not actually marijuana.

Speaker 24 (38:00):
It's due to the fact that we're part of the
Misuse of Drugs Act nineteen seventy five, and so all
parts of the cannabis plant are considered a class seed drug.
So when they created the two thousand and six regulations,
they carved out and defined industrial hemp as being between
point three to five and point five percent THHC. So
now we have a definition of what industrial hempers.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Okay, so it was basically us just getting really really
anxious about weed and not understanding the difference.

Speaker 24 (38:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, there's been a long
time when prohibition has led to the outlawing of marijuana
and that stopped the hemp industry and its tracks in
nineteen thirty. So it's great to have it back again.

Speaker 13 (38:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Now the changes that we're announced yesterday, do they go
far enough for you?

Speaker 24 (38:44):
Well, they're really good news for the growing for the
growers and the people that are actually going to produce
the raw materials that industry is going to be using.
So the supply chain is going to be well enhanced.
And it leads to the question that we've always had.
You know, the farmers are going to say am I
going to sell it to? And how much am I
going to make? So the next step is to get
the value chain established.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
What are we actually using it for? I mean, I
know that we use it for clothing and stuff like that,
but anything else.

Speaker 24 (39:11):
Well, the mainstay of the New Zealand industry actually at
the moment is seed for In twenty eighteen, we finally
got it across the line for human consumption, but unfortunately
at the time, we lost the ability to sell the
co products to the animal markets, which means, you know,
it's hard to get the economics working when you don't
have a way of selling those co products and making

(39:32):
revenue from the all parts of the plant, which is
what we're after, full plant utilization.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
What are you eating it for?

Speaker 10 (39:39):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (39:39):
For the central fatty acids. It's got a perfect ratio
of AMEGA three and six and also a massive amount
of protein and there's dietary fiber.

Speaker 10 (39:48):
In there as well.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Who knew, Richard, Thanks very much, appreciate it. Richard Barge,
president of the New Zealand Hemp Industries Association. I was
reading somewhere as well, it's fantastic for anxiety.

Speaker 15 (39:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I just think about the woman so much trouble for
saying this. Think about the woman in your life. Buy
her some hemp this Christmas and make her eat it,
and look, Christmas might be a little bit more pleasant.

Speaker 19 (40:08):
Will it do anything for my adreanal fatigue?

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yep, yeah, yeah, it'll do something for you, your fake
news adrenal fatigue. Lord above, Okay, Now, I think I'm
I think I'm right in saying this. Lord it's, you know,
like this has got completely out of hand. But I
think I am right in saying that. I'm happy to
report to you that the Ruth Richardson Nicola Willis finance
girl on finance girl debate is going to happen next week,

(40:33):
not next yet, next week, which I think is how
we we just need to get this thing over and
done with, strike while the iron's hot. The plan is,
the rough plan is for it to be held at
Parliament so that all media can stream it rather than
picking favorites. Still a bit of a niggle about who's
gonna moderate it. Nikola wants Toby man High from the
spino Off, who's a fantastic guy, but he does lean left, well,
at least his publication does, and Nicola will be doing that.

(40:55):
So it looks like she's friendly with the left and
not so friendly with the right, and she's trying to
sort of, you know, position herself differently to Ruth Richardson.
Taxpayers Union doesn't love Toby doing it. Taxpayers Union wants
somebody else, so hopefully they can reach a compromise and
it doesn't fall over. Because I'm getting my popcorn ready already.
Twenty past seven.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
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Speaker 3 (41:20):
Hi here, the Peter here. We're a grower of the hemp.
You just have to regulate it because other people can
put marijuana in the in amongst the crops and grow
it and needs to be carefully watched to make sure
the plants are hemp. Thanks for that. Seven twenty three.
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(42:26):
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them online either, do for see Allen twenty four. Okay,
so I'll tell you what. If there's one thing that's
becoming apparent watching the battle between Netflix and Paramount to
buy Warner Brothers, it's that in the end it might
actually be Donald Trump who picks the winner. Here, if
you had to say who he would choose when he
does pick the winner, you'd have to lean towards Paramount

(42:49):
over Netflix. This is the one with the hostile offer
because Paramount's CEO is David Allison, the son of Trump's
mate Larry Allison. And you'd have to imagine it's not
only appealing to Trump to look after his mates, which
he does, but also and maybe more so, to have CNN,
which he hates, currently owned by Warner Brothers and therefore
in the hands of an ally the Netflix alternative he

(43:09):
won't like as much. It's that CNN is sold off
to someone else as yet unspecified, and then tipping the
scales further for Paramount, as Jared Kushner, Trump's son in
law helping Paramount with this deal. So if I was
putting money on it, I'd say, these are the guys
are going to take it out. But what's becoming increasingly
clear is that anyone who was worried that the biggest
risk of a second Donald Trump administration was him doing
something wacky like introducing fascism to the US was way off.

(43:32):
It's not fascism that's the problem. It's cronyism. Even the
Ukra deal Ukraine deal that he's reportedly pitching stands to
benefit apparently his friends. Financially, the dealings with the Middle
East that he's got going on benefit him and his family.
Business people have clearly realized they need to suck up
to him to get ahead. When we had the US
businessman and generally top character Mark Cuban on the show yesterday.
Normally Mark has a strong case of TDS, but right

(43:55):
now he needs Trump to give him a concession on
the pharmaceutical fees so that he can start manufacturing in
the US, and so he's relatively quiet on the Trump criticism.
You don't need me to tell you how problematic it
is for a national leader to make political calls based
on how much money they're going to get from it.
Worse though, is if the behavior sticks around after that
politician is gone.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Ever do for ce ellens?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Okay, here we go, hither the principle you just interviewed.
If the job is unsustainable, no amount of money is
going to change that. I'm getting tired of their moaning.
Jeep is, Hither these school teachers and principles are a joke.
Nothing they do, al say tells me that they actually
want to make the kids' lives better. Jeep is, Heather,
how do you work through your ten weeks summer holiday
makes it hard to support the or how about you

(44:41):
work through your ten weeks we're a holiday. I think
it's twelve weeks. Actually in some cases isn't it? Anyway
makes it hard to support the primary principles. When you
hear that entitled rubbish, Hither these principles are delusional. Hither
you should take the money off them for the falling
standards and reading, writing and maths. Here my workload would
be unsustainable too if I had to do all of
my work in thirty six weeks instead of forty eight.
Here that everyone is sick to death of the teacher. Seriously,

(45:02):
it's not rocket scientist science. If you don't like what
you do, do something else. That is honestly just the tiniest,
tiniest sample of just the endless texts that we're getting
on this subject. So I just I've thought this for
a while, and I increasingly think this. I think that
the education bargaining is losing the support of the public

(45:22):
wildly because I mean, as I say, point me to
somebody else who's got a thirty six thousand dollar payment
plus four points six over two years. Anyway, counsels seem
to have completely underestimated how much they need to spend
on water. We'll deal with that next.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Opinionated, informed, unapologetic Heather Dupless Allen on the mic, asking
Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, doing real estate differently since
nineteen seventy three News Talks head be Ah.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Heather, you will never be able to fly via the
States ever again after saying that, do you know what,
I hadn't even I hadn't even considered that. But if
you haven't caught up on what's going on with Donald
Trump and the changes that he's made, you want to
go to the States, you're gonna have to hand over
your passwords, by the looks of things, for your social
media accounts, and they're going to have a look at
it and make sure you haven't said anything that looks
a bit terroristy or anti Trump in the last five years.

(46:19):
And honestly, I think everybody has reached the same conclusion.
It's just not worth it, Like what a kerfuffle. And
that's only the start of all the things you're going
to do. And once they google it, they're going to
google me and they're going to go absolutely not, You're
not allowed. And that is the decision that I, unfortunately
have just taken without even realizing it. Listen today, UK time,

(46:39):
it's going to be the end of neighbors, end of
an institution. And if you're thinking, hold on, why haven't
we been here already? You're not wrong. It was axed
in twenty twenty two after Channel five dropped it over
in the UK, but then of course Amazon MGM Studio
stepped in to try and save it. But if this
is a thing that I think we're learning, just as
kind of legacy media really struggles existential crisis, aren't we

(47:01):
learning that if somebody steps in tries to save that magazine,
save that show, save that channel, it's only ever temporary,
save that news bulletin, and it just prolongs it. But
it dies anyway. So it's forty years, nine thousand episodes,
Guy Pearce, Margo Robbie plenty to thank it for. But
today will be the end of Neighbors, twenty two away
from It turns out councils may have underestimated how much

(47:25):
they're going to have to spend on upgrading their water systems.
The local Water Done Well model has come in nine
billion dollars higher than councils estimated under their own long
term plans. That our hat Stults is the mayor of Gisbon,
mourning her.

Speaker 14 (47:37):
Head, good morning.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
How is it that council's got this estimate so wrong?

Speaker 14 (47:42):
So usually when councils do be planning or their ten
year planning, you would plan for those first three years
with assets management planning and the finances around that, and
then the next seven years and your ten year plan
will be less detailed. What we did here was take
a proper look at the whole life of this project,
so I think it was more in detailed asset management

(48:04):
planning and also then the financial sustainability and the long
term affordability cost effectiveness that went into those costings.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Okay, So would you not think, though, if you're going
to just have a look at it kind of a
once overlightly look, which is fair enough, that you would
go more conservative and estimated estimated to the high side
rather than the low side.

Speaker 14 (48:22):
I think what we compared these costings were with was
our ten year planning costings which we had before, So
I think we did more in depth planning. And there
are different economic regulations, different environmental standards there we had
to take into account. So I think we are comparing

(48:43):
a ten year plan that was not as in depth
with something that was really really detailed.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yes, okay, but is this not the problem with what
has been going on at council level, which is that
councils do not properly understand how much money they have
to put into infrastructure, and then it's a surprise when have.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
To do it.

Speaker 14 (49:01):
We are definitely dealing with the generation of under investment.

Speaker 20 (49:05):
I agree with what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (49:07):
We do look at what we have to do, but
often it.

Speaker 14 (49:10):
Is shorter term planning. We look at three year chunks
of planning. Sometimes for asset management we do look at
thirty year planning, but the costings don't go with that.
So I agree with you, we do need to have
this longer term look. Also, we are now able to
borrow over the lifetime of these assets with water and

(49:31):
costings being of ring fence, so I do think it
is a smarter way of looking at these longer term investments.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Okay, So in which case then there is some upside
to having the government involved here.

Speaker 14 (49:45):
I think the government did a lot of planning to
make sure that our guardrails in place. We had to
have several hurdles that we had to jump over in
order to show that our plans are compliant. We not
only looked at finance and revenues sufficiency, but there are
also the economic regulation. We had to make sure therese

(50:06):
accountability requirements. We also had to look like stuff at
no privatization risk, no and the appropriate transfer of control.
So I do think the government put in place requirements
that expect high level plans of us that our communities
deserve but also can afford in the long run.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Okay, now we've ended up with thirty eight of the
councils combining their services into the twelve big entities, which
is kind of what we wanted. We wanted that consolidation,
and then seven of them are going along. Is this
roughly what we expected?

Speaker 14 (50:38):
I think that's what we expected because we are all
so unique here in Dispin. We are going in house,
we've always done that, we've invested over time.

Speaker 20 (50:45):
Then we're in not too bad a position.

Speaker 14 (50:48):
But there are smaller councils that really need that economy
of scale to go together. So I think what Minister
what's got in the end was what they were hoping for.
But also here that even though we are going in
the house, we are setting up our structure that down
the line we can latch onto a bigger or a
different CCO if things change.

Speaker 20 (51:10):
In the future.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
All right, Rahet, thank you very much, really appreciate time
ahead storts local government. New Zealand Vice President listen, I
have a question for you. Do you think it's time
that a New Zealand retires the safety video. I know
that we talk about this all the time, but the
reason I'm asking this is the Herald's reporting today that
the latest one that they've been working on has been

(51:33):
grounded because of the cost saving right because the New
Zealand doesn't have the money, so they can can hardly
be spending the money on making one of these elaborate ads.
And what that means is that the one that they've
got at the moment, which features Steven Adams, this one
has been there such a long time that by the
time they get the new one, maybe sometime later next year,
it'll be one of the biggest gaps between the old
one and the new one, you know, between replacing it. Anyway,

(51:55):
reason I'm asking you this is I was sitting on
the plane the other day and watching the safety VADO
and I don't I don't have a problem with the
safety video. I've enjoyed them through the years, and I've
defended them through the years. But I was sitting there
watching it, thinking it feels like it was a time
and place thing.

Speaker 12 (52:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Rob Fife was the boss of E New Zealand, and
it was funky and it was cheeky, and it was
going out there and kind of knocking things out of
the park and just doing things a bit differently. That
is not the airline it is anymore. I mean, for
God's sake, they've taken your disposable cup away from you
and your newspaper and the Cora Club, right and most
of us can't even be bothered paying for Cora Club anymore. So,
like it's just a completely different thing. So I just

(52:30):
wonder if this is the they should just they should
just bite the bullets and say, hey, that was fun.
These videos are getting too long, five minutes you want,
Glenn wants to watch this movie on the plane, and
so we're just going to go back to something that
just lasts a minute long, tells you the basics, and
we're out. It's time, isn't it. It's time? Sixteen Away
from It.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
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Speaker 3 (52:55):
At Me Here the Yes Retire the Air New Zealand video.
I'm just back from flying all over the world, different airlines,
they just do stock standard, quick, fast and done. And
also another you know what another reason to retire it
for is is that inevitably when they release the next one,
we're going to have this conversation again like we do
every single time, and that conversation also gets tired, doesn't it.

Speaker 19 (53:14):
And also do they not have the technology because you
sit down in your seat and you know it says,
you know, hello Heather or hello Glenn, you know on
the on the screen because it knows who you are.
If there's the case, does it not also know that
you were just on a flight on the way to
somewhere and you're now just coming back a few days later.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
So you get it like a dispensation not to watch, correct.

Speaker 19 (53:36):
I don't think I've forgotten what the safety instructions were
between the flight over Itain, but it might not have.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Been paying attention the last time.

Speaker 19 (53:42):
Definitely what it was because it went for three and
a half minutes.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Yeah, well this is true. I mean I find it hard.
I think the people largely complaining about it are the
people who catch the majority of flights and have to
sit there watching the same thing repetitively. It kind of
becomes like a song or like you know when you
read your children books at night and you can just
sit there with you and actually close your eyes and
just start reading. Young Eggy Peck was an architect and
has been since he was two when he built a
great tower, you know, like you can do.

Speaker 19 (54:06):
See. I made them read it to me, which is
why they.

Speaker 10 (54:11):
Readers.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
You can just shut your eyes with a safety video
and just mine along with it, can't you.

Speaker 19 (54:15):
I assume that's why you put your own oxygen mask
on first, because and then the kids can lead you
to the right exit because they were paying attention while
you weren't.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
So listen. The Herald's reporting this morning that ASBJESU this
is not going to make anyone happy, ASB is temporary
temporarily removing the discounts that it offers some of its
home loan customers. So it's apparently told the mortgage brokers,
but it hasn't told anyone else yet that you can
still get the discounts on the sixth month and the
floating rates, the short term stuff, but on the longer

(54:43):
term stuff one year and up, you're not going to
get a discount anymore. And some are reading this like
a quasi interest rate hike, right. So whereas Westpax just
had the courage to go out there and say it's
going up thirty basis points and then copped it big
time from everybody, ASB has done it on the quiet.
Because if you think about it, if everybody, if they're
offering a discount to basically everybody, then the discounted rate

(55:05):
is actually the base rate. Right, So if you're whipping
thirty points thirty basis points off everything, then that is
basically what that is your base rate. Everything else is
just fluff. So if you stop offering it, you have
essentially hiked your interest rates.

Speaker 13 (55:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Apparently according to the Herald, other banks are still discounting.
So if you're with anybody else, if you're with any
of the any of the other majors of art from
Westpac and ASB, you're probably okay at the moment. And
can I say, like, this is to the people who
say we never talk about them enough, and these are
people with deposits, and I do feel their pain because
they say, oh, you're always happy when the rate comes

(55:38):
down because the mortgage, you know, mortgage has come down,
But what about the deposit? The other I'll tell you what.
I put some money on term deposits, just short term
deposit last month. Bank told me to do it, so
I was like, whatever, Yeah, did it. I got my
first interest payment this month twenty three dollars. That's right,
got twenty three dollars, which is what not even six
dollars a week? I thought, no, I'm not doing that again.

(56:00):
But if you're relying on that kind of you're not
going to rely on twenty four dollars for an income,
are you? But if you're relying on your deposit rates
for an income, man alive. What a time. Sorry to
be part of that. We're going to go to Wellington next.
They're having a bonanza of a weekend stand by eight
away from eight.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Heather do pusy Ellen on the mic asking Breakfast were
the Defender and.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
News Togs dead b Heather are actually A and Z
has written to me telling me they are removing the
discount too, so you can add another bank to that.
Thanks for the heads up. Right now it is seven
away from seven out to Big Old Weekend in Wellington.
The premiere of the new Avatar film is tomorrow. Kate Winsley,
Cliff Curtis Jermaine Clement. They're all going to hit the
red carpet, two cruise ships, Adie and maybe maybe the

(56:39):
cricket will still be on. Philippa Mossman is the head
of International Attraction and Marketing at the New Zealand Film
Film Commission and with us morning, Philippa.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Imagine you're going to be there as well.

Speaker 15 (56:50):
I'll be there.

Speaker 6 (56:51):
There'll be a group of us there tomorrow. And I
must say the Wellington city is looking very beautiful at
the moment.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Well have you gone out and had a look and
made sure it's all up to stand them in? Cleaned?

Speaker 6 (57:03):
Yeah? Yeah, the red carpets cleaned and the Embassy Theater
is looking sparkling, and it feels like every postcover in
those cities flowering all.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
At once beautiful.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
There's real buzz about the place.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Does it actually even really matter what Courtney Place looks like?
Because I can't imagine. I mean, what do you people?
Do you go to the premiere and then do you hit?
Do you hit the strip afterwards?

Speaker 6 (57:26):
So there will be a function after the premiere, not
on Courtney Place, But look, I think everybody's just really
excited to be gathering in that beautiful Embassy theater and
saying this is the Australasian premiere for Avatar. James Cameron

(57:47):
himself will be there and it's just going to be
a really important and exciting occasion for the country.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Do you expect that this latest Avatar film is going
to be as successful as the predecessors?

Speaker 12 (58:01):
I couldn't.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
I couldn't possibly imagine it, gom In on that. I
know that there's legions of fans. I had spoken to
a few people in Los Angeles who had seen the
film and you know, say it's absolutely spectacular, which is
I'm sure is the case. So here's hoping that it
is absolutely as successful as the last two.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
So Philippa, when this was announced that the premiere would
be in Wellington, it did feel like it was. It
was slightly surprising given the negative store as a negative
narrative around the capitol. Do you think it's the last
of the big premiers or have we got more and
enough pipe work in the pipeline to actually have more
of these? Do you think?

Speaker 6 (58:42):
Look, no, we have definitely have more in the pipeline
and the premiere is in Wellington actually as part of
what has been agreed with the companies in terms of
what they returned to us for the incentives they get
for the production here, So that's kind of that negotiation.

(59:06):
I do think there are still big productions that are
going to be attracted to New Zealand, and some of
them will will do you know, world premieres like this,
but not all of them.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Well yeah, hey, thank you very much and enjoy the evening.
I hope you've got a beautiful frog for It's Philippa Mossman,
the head of the International Attraction and Marketing at the
New Zealand Film Commission. Kate Winslett. That's a probably big star,
isn't it. Where do you think you take Kate Winslet out?
When for dinner you're in Wellington? You've got to go
eat out. Everybody goes to that for Shack, now don't
they all? Tiger for Shack just off off Courtney Place,

(59:46):
So probably just have to go there because because just
follow the crowd basically. Anyway, Tim and Carey are going
to be with us next and wrap the week for
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Speaker 12 (01:01:12):
How's it going? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Have you you changed your surname again?

Speaker 10 (01:01:15):
Is it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Carry? Which button you pressing? Press the other button? Not
other button?

Speaker 12 (01:01:19):
Mate?

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Is that button even working?

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (01:01:23):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:01:24):
You got what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Carry carry?

Speaker 12 (01:01:27):
Okay? Tell us how to do this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
We literally have to have a man come into the studio, okay, Sam,
pull out the microphone of the no, no, pull out
the microphone of the site, yep, and pop the microphone
in that one and then if you turn that one on,
then you're going to be able to hear Kerry. Okay,
how's that? Currey? Here?

Speaker 12 (01:01:45):
We go.

Speaker 15 (01:01:46):
How's that?

Speaker 12 (01:01:47):
Here we go?

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I don't know what was worse, Tim, What was worse?
Was it the musical Carry?

Speaker 15 (01:01:51):
It's hardly my fault.

Speaker 12 (01:01:53):
It's not a Cary's fault. Don't blame Carry.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
No, No, it's to me and you.

Speaker 15 (01:01:56):
You you started it with the Makiva would have been.
I know you've got a thing about women taking other people?

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Do you know what carry? You have changed your surname
so many times. I can't remember which one you were
born with.

Speaker 15 (01:02:08):
I've changed it to wouldn't and it's only one at
a time. I'm sorry, three added on to my first name.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
That's true. You've got a very serious face. I feel
like I've gone somewhere I shouldn't.

Speaker 15 (01:02:22):
Was that a Nicola willis kind of a I'm so sorry?

Speaker 10 (01:02:25):
Okay, It's quite.

Speaker 15 (01:02:26):
Effective that face, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (01:02:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I felt like I felt like one of your grandchildren
being admonishious.

Speaker 15 (01:02:32):
Then my grandchildren don't need to be admonished to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Save me, please save me by literally about anything else.

Speaker 15 (01:02:38):
Granddaughter to the Principles of Ward yesterday at school for
a zest for life that she brings to school, incredible
kindness and an absolute delight to be around, always so
much fun. Who does that sound like?

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Just sinda, No, that's not the answer you're looking for.

Speaker 15 (01:03:01):
No, it was a rhetorical question.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I'm sorry about that. Once again, I find myself in trouble.

Speaker 12 (01:03:06):
Do you think you're talking about the New Zealand safety video?

Speaker 10 (01:03:09):
Heither?

Speaker 12 (01:03:09):
Can I save you?

Speaker 18 (01:03:10):
Can I possibly say you? I think you're on to something.
You're absolutely onto something. It's a waste of three and
a half minutes. It's really easy. The exits are over there.
Take the oxygen mask first and then give it to
your kids. And if the plane goes down, start praying.
All right, let's take off and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Start praying in the kind of like knees on chest position.
Yeah exactly, Yeah, No, I think you're I think you're right. Actually,
I mean, I don't want to be mean Kerry to
e New Zealand.

Speaker 25 (01:03:35):
You make a looking at it, and often it is
business model is However, I don't want to be mean
on this because I know they're trying, like they're really trying.

Speaker 15 (01:03:46):
It's like one of those jokes that you'll go to
hear over Christmas from the uncle who was told once
it was funny back in nineteen seventy eight and tells
it every year and hey, hey, I do this one
and it's like yeah, yea have yeah, and we've all
heard it and it's not that longer every year as well, exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:04:06):
I mean, when it first came a man as a man,
I reject the premise of that assertion.

Speaker 12 (01:04:11):
That's so unkind. Why is it uncles? Why would it
not be aunties as well?

Speaker 15 (01:04:15):
We have time, there'll be an Auntie crack somewhere along
this morning. But it was vaguely amusing as a as
a rob five reality piece when it first came out,
and now yeah, not so much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah, I'm with you on that.

Speaker 15 (01:04:29):
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Now give me a bit of respective on this tip,
because I do consider you like a relatively normal person.
You live in Auckland, not and Wellington, You've got kids,
you're doing a proper, proper day's work. Are you even
in the slightest interest, because I am. Are you even
in the slightest interested in the lady fight that's going
to happen in Parliament next week?

Speaker 18 (01:04:48):
Yes I am, because I'm a political tragic as well.
And you know what's what's politics? It's sport for unhealthy
people and that's.

Speaker 12 (01:04:57):
I'm fascinated by it.

Speaker 18 (01:04:59):
I mean, I think I actually want to ask, now, though,
will you confirm or deny that you will moderate this debate?

Speaker 12 (01:05:05):
Here the duplessy Ellen on the record, I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I will deny that I am going to moderate this
debate because I think that I heard that Carrie's going
to do it.

Speaker 12 (01:05:16):
Now we're talking.

Speaker 15 (01:05:18):
I am not remotely interested.

Speaker 12 (01:05:20):
To me, it looks well, you'll be perfect.

Speaker 15 (01:05:23):
Do you know what it looks like? I know that
you guys, and I get that kind of theoretical Gosh,
wouldn't it be amazing watching Ruth Richardson and Blast from
the Past. It looks like two middle aged men go,
how many precepts can you do? I can bang out fifty? Oh,
I can do sixty. All those tragic men in their
cycle gear talking about their their race that morning over

(01:05:46):
coffee at the trendy cafe. It's embarrassing. It's just embarrassing.
I don't want to see it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
And it's irrelevant even if even is it though yes
it is. Why is it irrelevant?

Speaker 15 (01:05:57):
Because the details that the country that Ruth Richardson was
dealing with at the time was vastly different to the
circumstances that Nicholas it is comparing apples and pears. They
are both interesting finance ministers. They both came out after
interesting times in New Zealand political and economic history. They

(01:06:17):
are standalone pieces of history. They should not be debasing
themselves and the position that they hold and held by
doing this farcical exercise.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
So I should cancel your subscription to the Taxpayers Union
that I took out.

Speaker 15 (01:06:30):
I haven't even I've suddenly realized what that box is
in my locker.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
I didn't realize it was fudge. Now you're going to
get it.

Speaker 18 (01:06:38):
Now, I thought, Kerry, this is why you should you
should moderate the debate, because you're absolutely right. It is
its first first past the post environment versus an MMP environment,
two very very different things.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
And actually maybe Kerry should moderate the debate because you
have absolutely no tolerance for the nonsense that might happen.
We'll take a quick break.

Speaker 15 (01:06:56):
The nuns will be staggered that I have no tolerance
for nonsense.

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Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Here are you getting texts from Nick from Wellington?

Speaker 15 (01:07:17):
Nick Mills that's Mick Millstone.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Nick hosts the show in Wellington. He's wanting to know,
you need to leave men out of this.

Speaker 15 (01:07:23):
This is I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
It's like men doing presser.

Speaker 15 (01:07:27):
Oh, I see, yeah, I did too.

Speaker 17 (01:07:29):
You did too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Now what do you reckons? The quote of the year Tim.

Speaker 18 (01:07:34):
Oh, for me, it's it's Dame Noline Toruer and the
quote is I have been able to put my truth
out there.

Speaker 12 (01:07:43):
I am in my conscious space. Close quote.

Speaker 18 (01:07:46):
It sounded like she was sitting in front of a
Stalinist show trial in the nineteen thirties, offering the statement
of the accused, and it should have showed the apex
of intellectual and psychological reliction relativism. There's no truth, there's
only objective truth.

Speaker 12 (01:08:03):
This is how I feel.

Speaker 19 (01:08:05):
Oh, dear Carrie, Well, it's quite true.

Speaker 15 (01:08:08):
I mean, I think that's that's brilliant. It reminds me
of that cost to speak when he came on when
he was first police commissioner. Halfway through in an ad break,
I said, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
I have no idea what you're saying in person to him? Yeah,
you turned the mic Off and then you said to him,
I don't know what you're saying.

Speaker 15 (01:08:25):
Yeah, because he said something about increasing personnel client interaction
at A at A at a fundamental level or something,
and I said, timman cops on the beat after a
couple of goes, and he meant, oh, yes, I suppose,
I mean, I can't say it. He said, oh, they said,
I've been very well trained and no bless oh, bless blessed.

Speaker 18 (01:08:50):
You know, Dodgy is no, oh no, we're gonna We're
getta But thereskind of I reckon, there's going to be
more of this with the AI slot, with the Barreau speak.

Speaker 12 (01:09:00):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's we have to we have to fight.
It's simple pros.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
AI is only going to sound like that if we
only feeded Andrew Costa's speeches.

Speaker 12 (01:09:09):
Yes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
If we give it some normal people language, it'll come
out sounding like a normal person, won't it. How do
you feel about the AI, by the way.

Speaker 12 (01:09:17):
Look, I actually you have to Actually it's the way.
It's what you tell you to tell it what to do.

Speaker 18 (01:09:22):
And I often one of the best, or as I
reflect on, I think you sound a lot like chat
GPT don't sound like chat GPT. No, stop sounding like
chat GPT, because I think the reason that we're sort
of policing, so to speak, the speech is because bad
language equals bad thought. So if you can get the
language simple, the thought becomes a lot more clean as well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
I try to use it this week, Carrie, and because
I'd read that that what people are using it for
as to as like a shop shopping assistant. And if
you tell us to find you a thing and make
sure that it is in this correct size and this
correct color and this price point, and then it will
be delivered to your house by that date, it will
do all the hard.

Speaker 10 (01:10:01):
Work for you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
First product is sent to me. I wanted it before Christmas,
was going to arrive on New Year's Day, not I
want not. And then the second product I wanted in large.
Second product they gave me at every size except for large.
So I'm starting to buy me something right by large
for the debate is not going to be did you

(01:10:25):
hear it? And then on top of that, it ruined
the surprise, so now he knows what.

Speaker 15 (01:10:29):
I have spoken to people involved in AI who are
working with AI, and I am invigorated by their excitement
and enthusiasm and the endless good potential because we're hearing
a lot of negative narrative around totally and and it
would have been the same back the Bloodites talking about
the weaving machines coming in, and you know, there is

(01:10:50):
always going to be good and bad. But I haven't
heard a lot about the good side until I started
speaking to these people who are at the cutting edge,
who believe it's going to a huge difference in terms
of medical research, in terms of helping kids with learning difficulties,
in terms of being able to you know, when you
think about the people who are incredibly intelligent, have a

(01:11:13):
lot to offer, move to another country and end up
doing entry level jobs and hope that their kids, you know,
read the rewards of this new country. It's going to
level the playing field so that their intelligence, their their knowledge,
their wisdom will come out in the first generation.

Speaker 10 (01:11:27):
Not the same.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Not use it very much, Carrey sometimes. Yeah, have you
ever used it for for doing the cooking?

Speaker 8 (01:11:33):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:11:33):
Not, you go.

Speaker 15 (01:11:35):
But also I've tried. I've tried to get it to
write a couple of columns for me to see if
how he has and God knows, I've written enough over
the years that it should.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
And do you say, write a column in the style
of Carrie Yeah Woodhem Yes, but there are columns under
McIvor as well. You have to carry Woodham slash carry Makaiva, the.

Speaker 15 (01:11:55):
Artist formerly known as.

Speaker 12 (01:11:58):
Yeah it was en.

Speaker 15 (01:12:00):
It's still not good. I mean, eventually there'll be a time.
But I think the unique indefinable thing that makes us
human is what is going to say this from aar
I mean, will use it as a servant.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
It's never going to replace us, and it's going to replace.

Speaker 15 (01:12:14):
A good teacher or somebody with an inquiring mind who
puts the dots together and goes, no, But why do
we try this?

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:12:20):
You know, I'm really quite excited about it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
I'm excited about it too. I'm glad you're excited about
you excited about it too.

Speaker 18 (01:12:27):
I'm excited, but I'm also concerned because now the excitement
is like, So, for example, and Maxim.

Speaker 12 (01:12:35):
We did a paper on AI and education.

Speaker 18 (01:12:36):
The possibility is that we could have a teacher pupil
ratio of one to one using AI. And that's amazing
because everyone knows that every kid is different, every kid
has different strengths differently and that's incredible. I guess the
question though, is just what as AI becomes more powerful,
just what informs its moral code and whether it's telling

(01:12:58):
us the truth or whether it forms a kind of
sentience that does concern me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Yeah too, Right now, listen, guys, thank you so much
for coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Is that it?

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
That's fast? Thank god?

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
That was the show.

Speaker 15 (01:13:08):
Yeah, we just stick around when you're left dissatisfied after
just such a short time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Tim Wilson hearing the kids, thank you both for being here. Appreciated.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Eight twenty two, Heather do Mussy Allen fon the My
Casting Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Dogs be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Murray Olds, by the way, is going to be with
us shortly. I'm gonna basically this business. I've been keeping
you a breast of what's been going on with old
mate who ran up the expenses, you know, the sports
minister over there, Anika Anika Wells, and this is now
fast becoming it would appear elbows. I didn't hold the
I don hold the hose mate moment. You remember that

(01:13:49):
was when Somo said he wasn't basically the one out
there fighting the fires, and so he wasn't the one
who wasn't was responsible and that just got him in
a huge, huge amount of trouble. And it feels like
elbows headed down that path at the moment. Hither if
I was in Wellington, I take Kate Winslet to the
steamboat for karaoke. I think she needs a bit more upmarket,
but maybe towards the end of the night you could

(01:14:10):
preload her a little bit on the booze and then
take her there.

Speaker 19 (01:14:12):
I'll take her up to the library barth for one
of those cocktails with the ginger nut in it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Oh yeah, the library Bar is a good time. I've
forgotten about that. Actually, yeah, I mean you see, we
could sort of progressively work hernd like a pub crawl
and including the library bar, and then you end up
over there. Cook Islands congratulated to the Cooks just made
the BBC's top list of top places to visit in
twenty twenty six. They say, why go Cook Island does

(01:14:37):
like to be visited. They are the extroverts of the
South Pacific after all, Yet tourism numbers are actually quite
low compared to the likes of Fiji. There is a
new wave of barefoot luxury stays that is transforming the
islands and next year apparently is going to be big.
So if you haven't booked your holiday for next winter,
well maybe you could try that. All the bricks are
going to be there. Murray Old's with us next.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
No fluff, just facts and fierce debate.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Head a Duplessy Allen on the mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Defender embraced the impossible news togs they'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
If you thought that that jewel heist from the Louver
couldn't get any more interesting, it probably could. Actually, it
turns out that there is a strong possibility that the
people who nicked the jewels actually used the Louver's own
security riscored it to find a way to nick the jewels.
So seven years ago the love had the order done.
And what the ordered kind of? I mean, what they
basically said is, look, if somebody was going to nick

(01:15:46):
these particular jewels, how they would do it is they
would bring it moving truck with a ladder, and then
they'd park it on the street and then that access
the gallery on the second floor using the ladder. They
get and they get out and they get away with it.
So what do these guys do? They got to move
than truck, packed it on the street outside, got the
ladder and got into the second floor with the ladder,
got up and off they went.

Speaker 19 (01:16:05):
I mean it hell that they knew that the password
for the security system.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Was mmm louve and they knew that as well. So
I mean, it's increasingly look And this audit was sitting
in the museum's archives, by the sounds of things for
the last seven years, so it increasingly looked. I mean,
you don't have to be an idiot not to figure out.

Speaker 19 (01:16:22):
And now we find out that they can't keep their
precious books dry. Who's running this outfit?

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Who is running this outfit? And if we ask that question,
we might in fact find out who probably not necessarily
the same person, But you can figure it out. Just
join the dots and before you find out, you'll find
these guys twenty two away.

Speaker 22 (01:16:39):
From Name International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace
of Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Murray Old's Australia Correspondents with.

Speaker 7 (01:16:47):
US Morning Muss, Good morning, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Oh these travel entitlements. Hey, this is so bad.

Speaker 7 (01:16:53):
But I'm old enough to remember. Back in nineteen eighty two,
Malcolm Fraser, the then Prime Minister sacked two of his ministers.
One minister came back from overseas and brought in a
color television oh, a color TV oh. A staffer filled
in the relevant form and said it was actually black
and white. Now the ministerial colleague who was responsible for
this stuff then intervene tried to hush it up. That

(01:17:16):
was said as interfering political crisis. For Fraser, he insisted,
both minister's quit. You're fast forward from nineteen eighty two
and you've got everybody with this now it's in the
drop over here. But he's the thing. It's within the rules.
And when you beat you know, in the fair Dington
a fair Dinkham department, when you look at someone like
Annaka Wells, she's a young brother, she's a minister, but

(01:17:38):
she's away from a prison home a heck of a lot.
And that's what these rules were drawn up for, to
give ministers the chance to actually have some time with
the family. Be it down at Threadbow, at the skiing
when she was down there as sports minister for a
Paralympic event. She took her husband while a sports minister,
to some AFL Grand finals. I mean, it's all above board,
but it does it pass the pub test, as we

(01:17:59):
ask over here, and a lot of people say, you
are kidding. This woman's going to sit out in the
trup so deep you can't see the back of her head.
But she's not the only one, Heather, And that's the point.
So apparently, Susan Lee, the opposition leader, is said to
Anthony Albertasy, Listen, let's get together. We will work out
a way to overhaul this Anika Wells, by the way,
you send her expenses off for independent scrutiny. But there's

(01:18:22):
no way known. I don't think that Alberti is going
to sack this woman because he's not going to give
the political skelp to the opposition.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Yeah, I mean, this is becoming This is becoming a
problem for him though, because the problem isn't that she
was within the rules, it's how profligate she was with it.
I mean, nobody thinks it's reasonable to keep a taxi
waiting for ten hours.

Speaker 7 (01:18:40):
Oh no, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Yeah, that's just right.

Speaker 7 (01:18:43):
I mean, to just get a buddy whover. It's just
down the street, for goodness sake. Why do you need
the long white liver?

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Exactly now? Barnaby Joyce say so, is this a marriage
made in heaven or what?

Speaker 7 (01:18:53):
Mate? Sadly, I think Barnaby and Pauline Hanson it's a
bit like the praying mantises. When the finished mating, she
turns around and bites his head off. We've all seen
that video. And I've seen this video before with Pauline Hansen.
There was Mark Layton at one time labor leader. He
jumped in and then you know the too big help
for personalities in the same power. Oh gee, that's not

(01:19:16):
going to work unless Pauline Hansen is looking for an
exit and she is looking to someone like Barnaby Joyce
to take over the leadership. And let's be frank, he'd
make it a very good leader. I think a lot
of people like Barnaby Joyce, notwithstanding the facts the public
drug and pulls over the place and it's all about him.

(01:19:36):
I mean, you've got these two are just headlines looking
for somewhere to go and sit. It's as simple as that.
And if she's looking to groom a successor, we're well done.
She's picked Barnaby Joyce, very popular in his own electorate.
He's now going to sit until the next election as
a one nation MP in the House of Reps. And
then next election he's going to have a crack at
the Senate, the upper house under the one nation ban.

(01:19:59):
A they last that long? Will this marriage, this political
marriage lasts that long? I'm not sure, but it's fascinating
viewing totally.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
How do you reckon the social media ban is going?

Speaker 7 (01:20:10):
Look, it depends you talk to Heather. If you listen
to young people, ah, we're getting around it. I'm the
big brother's got me arm. If you listen to parents,
I mean hello, parents are saying you beauty, pardon me,
excuse me. A poll published this week after the band
came into effect, almost sixty percent support the band, but

(01:20:31):
only forty three percent of those aged eighteen to thirty four,
So at twenty two percent of post it's not as
though it's a political problem for Albin easy because the
kids who are sixteen and under aren't voting yet, and
you know short attention spans and the like. Most adults
are saying, very, very good move because you know the

(01:20:52):
stats about kids being groomed, about self harming, about being
bullied online. It's just dreadful, dreadful. But how do you
fix it well and easy. He's taken the big sledgehammer,
and apparently governments around the world head that are saying, you, beauty,
We're going to watch you a bit like a bit
like the guinea peag I guess is it going to work? Well, Albertez,
he certainly wants it to work. He sees this as

(01:21:13):
elect as a boat winner in terms of the parents
of these kids, and you know, un let's just wait
and see. But at the moment, every parent I think
is probably backing it. A lot of the kids are saying.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Too right. But I mean I've read some of the
stuff about how easy it is for people just to
fake their ages and get on these social media sites, like,
surely these guys are gonna have to pick up their socks.
Some of them are just taking the mickey.

Speaker 7 (01:21:36):
Well, that's true. And don't forget it's up to the
tech companies, the big you know, the big metas and whatnot.
They are facing massive fines if they're found to be
allowing under sixteens out of their platforms. So look, I
know it's small change for them. I mean, what's the
matter worth? I mean trillions of dollars. I mean, it
doesn't really matter, But it's the image of getting punished.

(01:22:00):
They're allowing a couple of not in those sixteen year
olds on to look at porn, you know, or to
look at whatever they want to look at. A lot
of the complaints appear to be about friendship. You know,
I'm going to be cut off from a friends, my
friendship group and this is how these kids communicate.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Yep, I suppose so they can always go and make
friends in real life, which might be better. Muzz, thanks
very much, appreciate it, Murray Olds Ossie, correspondent. If you
think about it from the tech guys perspective, which frankly
I haven't spent much time doing because not my favorite
people in the world. But they are between in a
bit of a difficult situation because I mean, they can
choose to comply or not with Australia, right. So if
they choose to comply and make this work and the

(01:22:37):
thing is great, then countries like ourselves are going to
start doing it in plenty of other countries. So if
you make it work, then everybody starts doing it. But
if you make it, if you deliberately kind of screw
it so it doesn't work, which I would say some
of them are actually borderline doing here. Then it just
makes you look like like if we didn't like you before,
we're gonna high like you even less. We're gonna find
another way to pin you. So I don't really know

(01:22:58):
what the best course of action for them is. I
would say probably, I don't know. Best course of action
for the children is obviously go ahead with it and
make it work. Got another prediction for next year. This
has just come through from ASB this next week. Sorry,
this has just come through from ASB. This is on
what we're going to get in the GDP numbers for
Q three. ASB is now calling an increase as well,

(01:23:19):
saying zero point eight percent increase over the September quarter
they were pecking. I mean that's double what the Reserve
Bank was pecking. It's also just shy of what A
and Z was packing at one percent. So I think
we're looking at a better number next week than we
previously thought Quarter two.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
The mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard
by News talks at.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
B Hither the Jewels was obviously an inside job? Did
I not leave the bread crumbs for you? Thank you
for following those bread crumbs. That's exactly what I was
suggesting before and what everybody seems to be coming to realize.
Twelve away from nine, I've got the best story of
redemption for you, probably, if not this week, maybe possibly
this year. Over in the UK, they've just done the

(01:24:04):
government over there, and the Royals have just done a
round of investiges with people knighted and all that kind
of carry on. One of the guys who was given
a knighting knighthood rather was Sir Hans Rousing, who's now
sixty two years old and is the heir of TetraPak
and worth about nine billion pounds, which makes you immediately think, well,
of course he got a knighthood, but no, hang on
a teck. The fact that he got a knighthood is

(01:24:25):
amazing because only thirteen years ago, in July twenty twelve,
he was arrested for driving erratically and the cops went
and looked in his car and found drugs and a
crack pipe, And so they went round to his house
in central London and they found his wife dead in
the bedroom, lying on the bed, surrounded by and the
bedroom's locked, lying on the bed surrounded by syringes and

(01:24:45):
other drug paraphernalia. Turns out she'd had a heart attack
two months earlier, and because the couple of met and
rehab and they'd had a really bad battle against addiction,
which obviously she'd lost. Anyway, the pair of them have
been taking so much heroin and crack cap for years
that they lived basically as recluses, and their children had
been given to his sister to take care of it.
It was a complete mess.

Speaker 15 (01:25:06):
So she dies.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
He leaves her for two months. Cops find her. They
take him to court. He's charged with preventing a lawful burial.
He explains to the judge, pleads guilty. Explains to the
judge he hadn't been able to let her leave. He
didn't feel able to confront the reality of her death.
He'd tried to carry on as if it hadn't happened.
He took some measures to reduce the smell. He thinks
that since she died, he'd had a form of mental breakdown.

(01:25:28):
He was given a ten month prison sentence, suspended for
two years. Was admitted to a psychiatric hospital. Two years later,
he marries again. She straight up and down. She helps
him recover. She encourages him to do more with his
vast wealth, starts giving away huge amounts of money to charity.
Sad news she dies last year that instead of having
a mental breakdown this time he starts giving away even

(01:25:50):
more money and as a result, he's been knighted. He's
been now held up as an example to other wealthy
people of how to use their wealth to good use.
But he's just an example to the rest of us.
Don't you think think of even when you were at
your lower step, Like none of us can imagine being
at an EBB that low where there's a dead body
in your house. Even when you're at your lower step,
it is still possible to come back, and I don't know,

(01:26:11):
be knighted.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
How good is that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Nine away from nine?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Heather d put the l and on the mic Hosking
Breakfast with al Vida Retirement Communities and News togstad b.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Hither are you telling us that cost is going to
get a knighthood? Well, I suppose Costa could take some hope,
and he's probably his lowest step at the moment. He
could probably he can have a comeback. Hey, I know
Mike likes to celebrate kiwis who are doing well and
in the spirit of that, I want to continue, you know,
with the optimism of Kiwi's doing well. So the boss

(01:26:41):
of Christchurch Just Calendar Girls has sold up his mansion
on Russeley Road. He's got cool six million for that.
He's committed to what he's about to do, which is
he is going to Paris and he is going to
open the Calendar Girls in Paris, but not just Paris
around Europe. He reckons done every major city in New
Zealand in the last thirty years. It's time to go global.
So you know, ki We's doing well. Yay six away

(01:27:05):
from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Trending now Squarehouse, the real House of Fragrances.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
This was hugely anticipated, is quite literally hot off the
Hollywood press floor. We have the first teaser trailer for
the new Supergirl movie. We actually haven't had a Supergirl
movie since nineteen eighty four, a forty one years, but
Supergirl was reintroduced on in James Gunn's New Superman film
this year. Supergirl is Superman's older cousin, known as carraz Arel.

Speaker 17 (01:27:31):
Hi Carzarel. Youre right is clear? You're right is clear.
The twenty three will be the best year here. Let's
be honest. Babe, it's not a very high bardic. Clear, Okay,

(01:27:53):
this does not look like this is going to end well.

Speaker 12 (01:27:57):
For you guys.

Speaker 17 (01:28:00):
Like fIF mama. He sees the good and everyone and
I see the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
It stars Millie al Koch as Supergirl and Jason Wilmore
plays the bounty hunter Lobo. So there's something there for everyone.
If you just want some eye candy, I think you'd
be fine. It's Jason's in it. It's out June twenty sixth,
so something to look forward to next year. Now, I mean,

(01:28:35):
you know, we like to complain as women, don't we
about women's riots and all that kind of stuff, But
this legit is something that's out the gate when it
comes to women.

Speaker 7 (01:28:44):
Women.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
Women are calling out the Japanese Chess Association because it's
got some rules around pregnancy that I think probably don't
belong in twenty twenty five. So they play Showgi, which
is very similar to chess and under the and so
you would say, if you're sitting there, it's not strenuous.
You know, you're sitting you're pregnant, You're sitting down just
playing a bit of board games using your brain, not

(01:29:05):
your body. You know nothing, I would say low risk
as a pregnancy activity. But showgi's rules are that pregnant
players are not allowed to play pregnant women when they
are six weeks before their birth date and eight weeks
thereafter for unknown reasons. And during the time that they're
not allowed to play, they're replaced, so they fullfit all
the competitions, they fullfoit all the potential titles, and it

(01:29:27):
is so obviously dumb that they've said to the guys,
you have to change this. The association has apologized it
will revise its rules, and I think we can all
agree that's probably a good idea. Now Christmas party for us,
so it's going to be wild for us at enz
ME this afternoon. Fought some prayers to us one to
four in the afternoon. Not the warning. So if you

(01:29:50):
see us out and about, you know, tell us to
calm down. We'll see you next week. Look after Yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
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