Full Show Podcast: 12 September 2025

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Friday 12th of September, a new school subject list has been announced, and there’s an emphasis on artificial intelligence.  

There’s a new plan to restore the Christ Church Cathedral, coming not a moment, or a year, too soon.  

Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson talk Mike's gift and Noeline Taurua's suspension as they Wrap the Week. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's home for trusted news and views. The Mike
Hosking Breakfast with Rainthrover, Leading by Example, News Talks Dad be.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Noting one comes today. We're in the classroom and taking
or talking new subjects. Good news from our builders, good
news fingers crossed on the Christ Dutch Cathedral. Sir John
Kerwin talks foot Eatim and Katie do the week, Richard
Arnold State Side and Dennis Shanahan.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Does Australia for us.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Pasky Welcome to probably seven past six. My uplifting story
that week involves charter schools. Now, charter schools are the
little idea that could, or maybe are they They're the
big game changing idea that could. We heard this week
of the first public school wanting to explore the charter route.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's in Northland.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
It has been driven by the realization that what they
currently do doesn't work for their kids and that is
the genesis of the charter school thinking at the start
of it all. And remember charter schools go back to
the previous government before Labour took to them in twenty seventeen,
so this isn't new. But the basic premise was one
size does not fit all, and a lot of kids
may well benefit from different styles and approaches to learning.
I've been a fan from day one, not because charter

(00:59):
schools and bullets, but rather the simple premise that what
we have demonstrably doesn't work for everybody. You can't hide
from the facts and the truth, and our pass rates
and our success rates are shocking, and the union simply
bleeding for more resources. Even if it's a partial answer,
isn't close to being the whole answer, and their myopic
view that there can only be one way is a
very large part of the overall handbreak that has prevented

(01:21):
real change in advancement. The Northland school and I thought
gave excellent insight. They said they have good people and
they work hard, but they're simply not getting the cut through,
so they need to try something different. They didn't even
used to be four charter schools, but just their ability
to accept change needs to be admired and encouraged. Chris
Hopkins's Education minister in twenty seventeen killed them, not because

(01:43):
they weren't working, but because he's beholden to the unions
and there was no way those schools were ever going
to get a chance to prove them wrong. So what
we have seen this time around is no shortage of
demand for these schools. In fact, more schools than there
is money allocated. We see the first public school, or
at least the first public school, prepared to admit they
want to look at change, which leads surely to a
growing scenes. Charter schools might have it last heavily at time,

(02:06):
Some may well turn out to be brilliant. Lives may
well be changed, and the recognition of a decent idea
may well be widely accepted. It seems the momentum is on.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
So where are we at in the case.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
We have recovered what we believe is the weapon that
was used in yesterday's shooting is a high powered bolt
action rifle. Investigators have also collected footwear impression, a palm print,
and forearm imprints for analysis in Utah.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
They are determined.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
We have every officer invested in this, every investigator, every
local agency. We are investing everything we have into this
and we will catch this individual.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
A lot of Washington feels like Rubia does.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
We know two things for certain, and that is that
a great young man is that and a family.

Speaker 7 (02:56):
Has been shattered, and that there's no place for this
in America.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
We all know that all the words about the this
is not just outrageous, it's frightening. The Kirk Times to
Trump robbious.

Speaker 8 (03:05):
I'm pleased to announce that I will soon be awarding
Charlie Kirk posthumously the Presidential Medal of Freedom. And I
can only guarantee you one thing that we.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Will have a very big crowd, very very big.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
The other big news from other night is that Starmer
has set Mendelssohn. But how seck does he withdrawn?

Speaker 9 (03:24):
When I watch the Foreign Office, simply meant you've been
taken away from the post you're currently in, and you'll
come back to Foreign Office headquarters and you're still employed.
You're still a senior civil servant, You're still getting paid.
So has he actually been sacked or are they waiting
to give him another job?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
And then the war or specifically the Israeli tech on
her mouse and guitar guitar is still not happy by this, saying.

Speaker 10 (03:45):
Who cannot be left loose on the region again like this,
this is a readline that has been classified. Now he
has been talking about to be shaping the region, but
it is very clear right now that he wants to
shape the legion into his own image, which is chaos
and destruction, whether.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
He and Finally, in Germany, we've got a biology teacher
went on sick leave. This is back in August of
two thousand and nine. Chronic illness, apparently a few psychological problems,
no kidding. It was agreed that after three months she
would be assessed by a doctor. It never happened, though
her sick leave has just continued ever since sixteen years.
No one's asked a question. She's been on full pay
ninety four thousand dollars a year until the change of
management came along a couple of years ago. Noticed the issue,

(04:21):
asked her to take a medical exam. She refused, at
which point she also sued them. How that got thrown
out as she now has two weeks to get assessed
or she's gone. That is news of the world. In
ninety consumer price numbers andrew workers through this in just
a couple of moments. This is in the US. It's
not good. And the European Central Bank overnight did what
pretty much ninety nine percent literally of economy survey before
the announcement was made did and that was that they

(04:43):
are in no hurry to reduce rates further. So they
held twelve pass.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Six the mic asking Breakfast full show podcast on iHeartRadio
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Speaker 2 (04:55):
Eb Remandless in the Foreign Office says it was made
or the decision made because you got to remember that
Starming yesterday was standing behind and then suddenly flips overnight
made in light of additional information from emails between the
two men, the two men being Mandelsohn and Epstein. Of course,
they showed that the depth and extent of Mandelssoh's relationship
with Epstein is materially different from that known at the

(05:16):
time of his appointment. Fourteen past I'm j my Wealth
Andrew Keller had good morning, very very good morning. Yes,
so CPI US styles a little hotter than we thought.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
A tiny little bit. But the thing is that's that's
not the issue though at the moment, is it?

Speaker 11 (05:32):
Because look, there's a high degree of focus on inflation
data at the moment. And as an aside, one of
the things that I often find myself pointing out to
sort of investors and people is this kind of correlated
effects of inflation around the world, so the degree of
movement isn't always similar, but the direction of travelism.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
This is why we look at inflation around the world.

Speaker 11 (05:51):
So we're talking US inflation overnight YEP, latest monthly CPR
in it consumer price and.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's brought for August.

Speaker 11 (05:58):
Look, it's not the Federal Reserves preferred measure, but it's
important nonetheless, and along with the CPI got very much
closely relayed observation and what it means for the FAED
and monetary policy settings. Yeah, expectations leading into it had
headline CPI forecast for the year at two point nine percent.
Those forecasts were confirmed, came in at two point nine percent.
Monthly CPI though might yeah, as you say, a touch

(06:19):
higher than expected zero point four versus zero point three.
And importantly you go back to July year on year
inflation was two point seven, so it's heading the wrong way.
Probably a little more importantly, core inflation, which strips out
the sort of volatile food and energy components, that was
expected to print at three point one, so it's higher
than the full CPI inflation and that forecast was also correct,

(06:43):
came in at three point three point one. So look,
inflation mic is still too high and it's moving the
wrong way. But the thing is, it's the labor market's
a big concern at the moment. That's more important seemingly
for the market. So there's nothing in these numbers or
the market doesn't believe to stop the Fed from moving
the Fed funds right low and actually overnight. Mike, you

(07:04):
also had some initial what they call initial jobless claims
for people filing initial jobless claims that came in at
two hundred and sixty three thousand. That's the highest number
for that data series in four years.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
So there's the issue.

Speaker 11 (07:16):
So we saw US share markets higher, US treasury bond rates,
they fell. But Mike, what these numbers have done is
actually coming into this, coming into these numbers, there will
actually talk of a jumbo rate cut fifty basis point
cut and the next Fed funds move. That's probably been
cooled down now, but they're saying, well, we'll still get
the twenty five. Look, there are still worrying signs in

(07:39):
this inflation. Goods services, shelter food is running at three
point two.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
That's lower than here. But here's a number four. You
might coffee.

Speaker 11 (07:46):
What do you think coffee came in at a lot
twenty point nine percent.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Twenty point nine percent.

Speaker 11 (07:52):
That's not good if you like your coffee, are correct,
as I said, Look, the US treasure rates very important
for you for the Trump administration because of course the
cost of funding that huge US deficit ten year rate
now bouncing around four percent. It hasn't spent a lot
of time under four percent in the last eighteen months,
so that Trump administration will be happy back home.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Christian had a good crack yesterday, didn't he. I mean
he's working hard.

Speaker 11 (08:14):
Yeah, no, So talking about increased focus, the RBN said
they've been under the spotlight, haven't they really, for a
number of reasons, you know, the messy governance issues, the
ongoing search for a new governor, recent change in month
through policy starts, not to mention which you have mentioned, Mike,
that people like Kelly Eckold highlighting some changes the RB
could make. Look, the top brass of the bank don't

(08:35):
make that frequent speeches.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
So we'd listen when they do.

Speaker 11 (08:39):
And Governor Christian Hawksby made some comments yesterday the opening
address of the Financial Services Council conference. I thought it
was appropriate that he addressed some of the issues He
said the bank is facing a test of trust and confidence,
and he acknowledged the publicity around the exit of Adrian
Or and board chair quickly. I think it's good on
and for public acknowledging that, he did say from a

(09:00):
market point of view, the main focus has been on
judging the impact of increased global trade barriers, which has
been challenging. And that's the same issue plaguing central bankers
around the world.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
But markets will like what he said next.

Speaker 11 (09:12):
He said here reiterated the central projection of the OCR
bottom out at two and a half percent. Did say
the speed and timing were uncertain. It depends on the
economic recovery. Wholesale interstrates Mike in New Zealand continues to
drift lower.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
So yeah, thought it was good.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
The new appointment's got to be close as well. Right
numbers please, Well, Mike, I have what I.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Call a yellow submarine dame in front of me.

Speaker 11 (09:33):
It is a sea of green. So market's love and
that CPI number. The Dow Jones is up six hundred
and seven points one point three percent. Game they're forty
six thousand, ninety eight. The S and P five hundred
is up fifty three points point eight two percent six
five eighty five and the Nasdaq up one hundred and
fifty four points twenty two thousand and forty points seventy one,

(09:55):
so they're loving it. The foot Sea one hundred up
three quarters of percent overnight nine two ninety seven, the
nick A forty four thousand, three hundred and seventy two
that was up one point two percent, the Shanghai Composite
up one point six percent sixty three points three eight
seven five. Now the OSSI and New Zealand markets they
were lower, but that's yesterday. Hopefully we'll follow on from

(10:16):
this feel good move overnight and the.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Will rally today.

Speaker 11 (10:19):
But yesterday the A six two hundred lost point two
nine percent eight eighth five and the ISEX fifty lost
point three five percent forty seven points thirteen thousand, two
hundred and twenty nine. Kiwi dollar stronger point five nine
seven zero against the US, point eight nine sixty seven
against OSSI, point five h nine zero against the Euro,
point four to three nine nine against the pound, eighty

(10:40):
seven point nine four. Japanese end gold point three six
three five sorry three thousand, six hundred and thirty five
dollars and Brent Crude.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Sixty six dollars and forty eight cents.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I have a great work, can see next week. Andrew
kellerher JMI wealth dot co dot m z I now
Play later is a fascinating thing in this company called Klana,
and so they've been valued. They're on the market. There
are an international player nineteen billion that's US dollars, so
it's probably know one of you. Thirty six thirty seven
billion New Zealand dollars. They're Swedish. They were founded in
two thousand and five. They've got ninety three million active

(11:12):
users across twenty six different countries. They handle transaction of
one hundred and five billion last year. They're in the
UK since twenty fourteen, the US since twenty nineteen. But
the valuations caught the headlines this week. Nineteen billion dollars
a lot of it's a lot of support for buy now,
Pay later, isn't it. Six twenty one A reviews talk zb.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
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Speaker 2 (11:39):
Now Here's where it's starting to go wrong for the
States and these tariffs ultimately, and we sort of get
lost in the overall discussion, because we in New Zealand
understand probably better than most countries, what free trade is
all about. We don't like tariffs. Tariffs are artificial. And
even if you accepted, broadly speaking at the beginning that
there was a counterbalance or needed to be some sort
of counterbalance between the States and certain countries, what is

(12:01):
now happening is we've got a record here of forty
seven percent of companies who deal with America, they're diverting
mainly to China, Southeast Asia, and generally, but mainly to
China forty seven percent of companies. So in other words,
if you don't have to deal with America, you're not
going to and they're not, and that's going to have
a material effect. Then the next problem was this extraordinary
thing that happened in Georgia at the Hyundui plant, where

(12:23):
hundreds of South Koreans were rounded up by ice only
to go, oh, whoop's small mistake. Apologies. Actually I don't
even know there was an apology anyway, the round of
them up and then they let them go, and the
Korean government went what and they sent a seven four
seven that got slightly delayed. It got delayed because Trump
ordered the paws to check whether the workers were willing
to remain in the States to continue working and training

(12:46):
American and guess what they weren't. They wanted to go home.
And so that plane has now taken off, and the
President of Korea has said many companies and that part
of the world are now are going to be very
hesitant about investing in the US. And I think you
might have a point six twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
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Speaker 2 (13:06):
Out of the movies where the boxing fans have, well,
we've got good news, Christy has Sidney Sweeney and you
know that Sidney's got well good jeans. True story of
Christy Martin. She was America's most recognizable female boxer in
the nineties, but had plenty of drama at home.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
You must be the lady I've been hearing so much about.

Speaker 12 (13:25):
Yes, sir, so I don't want to meet you, mister King,
But most people go their entire lives and they don't
even know where their thing is.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
You the world champion right now, you think you what
makes the world turn.

Speaker 8 (13:39):
But one day you're going to wake up and realize
and it turns just fine without.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Your trainer, your career, all of it.

Speaker 13 (13:51):
I need help, mama.

Speaker 14 (13:54):
He's angry at me all the time.

Speaker 12 (13:56):
Oh Christie heeps.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Oh boy, ladies and gentlemen, have I got it?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Steen Ben Foster, he plays the husband and coach out
in theaters on the seventh of November. Mike, how the
hell do these protesters get the Harbor Bridge closed down
for the march? Well, I don't think it's closed down.
Who are the idiots that make these decisions of the
protesters wanting to help Garza? How the hell is a
march going to do it? These are all very good points,
and I forgot about it because I've been building for
a couple of weeks. But for people outside of Auckland,

(14:26):
once again, I'm sorry to bore you, but these marches
pro Palestinian people are marching across the bridge. Why they're
allowed to march across a bridge? The bridge I don't
think has been closed down. There'll just be massive disruption.
But that's the point, isn't If you want to protest, protest,
I don't care, but don't inconvenience everybody else. But that,
sadly is the point, because by inconveniencing everybody else, the

(14:47):
media moth to a flame, you know how it goes,
and they'll get the attention. It won't change anything, it
will solve nothing. But that's how some people operate their lives.
So that'll be the weekend's news for you. Speaking of which,
some news for you in a couple of moments than
some good news out of our building sector.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Setting the agenda and talking the big issues. The Mike
Honking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate covering all your real
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Speaker 2 (15:14):
And Charlie Kirking. The Investigation with Richard Donald shult lea
twenty three minutes away from seven. As Donald Trump would say,
here we go insight into our building sector. We find optimism,
we find better times ahead. Sixty four percent have stronger
order books. That's up from just fifty one percent last year.
So that's a material gain. And Kitsharma is the Master
Builder CEO and is with us. Morning to you.

Speaker 15 (15:35):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
So what do you got fingers crossed and you're hoping
or you're feeling pretty solid about this?

Speaker 15 (15:42):
Oh, we are feeling pretty solid about this. So what
we are seeing is regents are leading the way, so
strong export prices are boosting incomes and confidence, so builders
in those regents are doing well. Urban centers like Oakland
and Ellington are still facing some headbands, but as you said,
you know, sixty four percent of builders now reporting strong pipelines.

(16:02):
So we think we are transitioning from our survival more
into a place I hope of sustainable recovery.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Good stuff. The council issues that are rised in the report,
you know, consenting it all that sort of stuff. Will
those things you think be fixed with the new laws
as issued by the government.

Speaker 15 (16:20):
I believe so. So I think the systemic change the
government has done instead of trying to do patch meal,
you know, looking at one thing or the other, they've
kind of looked at the whole system and interconnection of
some of these issues. So you know, you can do
bsier consolidation, but if you don't take the risk away
from the councils who are ultimately trying to protect the
right payers and move to a proportional liability system. They're

(16:42):
also encouraging councils by putting tighter time fiance on their
turnaround times for consents to start using more technologies like
remote inspections and distal records, so I'm very confident with
all these changes, with time will start seeing improvements around contenting.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
What sort of these numbers, what sort of buildings are
we talking about developments or we're talking one off, so
we're talking single homes or apartments or just the whole lot.

Speaker 15 (17:05):
That's a good question. So where we are seeing the
biggest improvement are the high end buildings, so I think
that's as confidence is coming in. People who've got money
are definitely entering into the market, so those are definitely
picking up. Renovations are definitely picking up. We've see that
developments are still a little bit challenged.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
To get the.

Speaker 15 (17:22):
Development across the line, you know, you need to get
funding from the banks, and banks have been still cautious.
So I have a feeling the high end of the
market is moving, the renovation is moving, and over the
next six to twelve months will probably start seeing the
developments will start moving.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
To fantastic well I hope it works for you. An Kochama,
who's the master billd a CEO, were brought to I
saw an apartment in Wellington listed this week and it
was it was a new apartment and it was at
a price I'd never seen before in Wellington. It was
in excess of five million dollars and it wasn't a
big apartment. It was one hundred and eighty square meetings,
so I did the square It was thirty thousand dollars

(17:57):
a square meter. So when you thity thousand dollars a
square media, you're into the millions before you know it.
By the way, Westpac came out, Kelly our old make
Kelly Echo Man? Is he getting headlines this week? Lower
interest rates will eventually support increased demand. His forecast is
for the final three months housing prices final three months
of this year zero point six percent. He sees better

(18:18):
times for next year. The low interest rates imply attractive
valuation for investors, so are they going to be back
in the market. It's possible that population growth could remain slow,
especially if the make a labor market takes longer to
kick back in, but he's forecasting next year's house price
growth of five point four percent. Let's hope he's right.
Nineteen to two.

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But she's all go pasking now, Mike, I just heard
you talking about the protest that I'd like to correct
you as seeing, the only thing that has ever changed

(19:47):
these political issues in the world has been protesting, from
black savory to women's rights. Yeah, you're taking an historical point.
I'll take your point fair enough, but I can tell
you this for nothing. The world is festooned with protests
over Palestine and garz Are in the middle at the moment,
fastone hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of protests
each and every week all over the world, from the
moderately peaceful to the rabid sort of thing you see

(20:10):
in London at the moment. Not one of them is
changing anything, has changed anything, or will change anything in
the Middle East on this war, and certainly walking across
the Auckland Harbor Bridge at the bottom of the world
on a Saturday morning is not going to make a difference.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
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Speaker 2 (20:32):
Business genial morning.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
What do you make?

Speaker 2 (20:35):
So where are we at?

Speaker 16 (20:37):
Well, they're on the trail. The FBI has just postponed
a news conference due to what is being described as
a rapid development. In this case, what we know is
that police have been scouring a residential area near to
where the killing of Charlie Kirk took place. So rapid developments,
I guess we'll find out. Shortly, the FBI had released
photographs of a university aged man who had been described

(20:58):
as the key person of interest in the assassination of
the trumpell ion conservative activist Charlie Kirk. He is wearing
sunglasses and a black T shirt with some sort of
message printed over an American flag. There had been a
bipartisan outpouring of denunciation over the murder of this thirty
one year old, including statements by Trump and by every
living former president condemning this attack and any in all

(21:20):
political violence that doesn't silence some of the internet crazies.
Of course, still Biden says there is no place for
this kind of violence. O barmacalls the murder despicable. Bush
says there's sort of violence and vitriol must be purged
from the public square in Clinton has declared his sadness
and anger the murder is shocking and reprehensible. The FBI

(21:40):
and police have been at work twenty four to seven
trying to track the killer. They found his rifle, says
Police Commissioner Bo Mason.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
He recovered what we believe is the weapon to be
that was used in yesterday's shooting. There's a high powered
vault action rifle. That rifle was recovered in a wooded
area where the shooter had fled.

Speaker 16 (22:02):
Well. Political messages were scrawled on some of what was discovered,
including pro transgender and anti fascist messages on countridges. They
also found a screwdriver, suggesting the killer peraps had tried
to dismantle the weapon as he ran. There are videos
of the killings which I won't be playing, and I
won't include either the graphic testimony of some of the

(22:23):
devastated eye witnesses young students. Still, some are speculating that
others beyond the shooter might have been involved. This student
who I'll play now and just spoken with Charlie Kirk
in their question and answer session, which Kirk could build
as proved me wrong.

Speaker 6 (22:39):
It was really weird because the second guests that I
talked to before I went and asked him the question
what I was going to ask him, he was talking
to him about how he was going to ask about
transgenderism or something like that.

Speaker 16 (22:50):
Well, police detained two people of interest who later were cleared,
with police now saying they're not suspects quote, they don't
deserve harassment, so leave them alone. On this side of
the dateline, it is, of course nine to eleven, the
twenty fourth remembrance of the attack on the World Trade
Center and the Pentagon so on, and Trump spoke at
ground zero today starting with this.

Speaker 8 (23:11):
Let me express the horror and grief so many Americans
at the Henus assassination of Charlie Kirker felt. Charlie was
a giant of his generation, a champion of liberty, and
an inspiration to millions and millions of people.

Speaker 16 (23:30):
Kirk was the closest ally of many in the Trump team,
including Don Junior and J. D. Vance, who has gone
off to Utah to pay respects to the kirk family,
his wife and two young children. Meantime, among those for
whom this brings back visceral memories is Senator Mark Kelly,
whose wife, of course, Gabby Giffords, was shot in the
head in twenty eleven and left partially disabled.

Speaker 17 (23:51):
He says, today, all sides of the political spectrum have
been targeted. My wife fifteen years ago, Melissa Hortman, the
later from Minnesota, just months ago murdered along with her
husband and her home. The governor of Pennsylvania nearly killed
from arson, the governor of Michigan, the president, you know,

(24:14):
targeted twice.

Speaker 16 (24:16):
Yeah, that's not the whole list, not alone instance. What
has happened now there have been many Steve Scalise who
shot during a pickup baseball game with some political colleagues,
Nancy Pelosi's husband pummeled by an intruder with a hammer.
And so we now find that they quote deluge of
US lawmakers are calling for heightened security with this country today,
Mike marking violence from without and with it.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
It is a mess, right, might well see you Monday,
Richard Arnold state side, it is tend to sent.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
The Mike Hosking breakfast with rainthrowver news.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Togs dead be a little bit of lines yesterday and
the coverage of the Kirk assassination under the headline surely
American life just cannot go on like this. This was
in the Sydney Morning Herald that concluded went through the
list of the people that Richard just gone through the
United States is now a high A toxic shit show
of prevalent guns and even more prevalent hate. Sums it up,

(25:05):
doesn't it on? Brighter matters from our farming community yet
more good news. Record profit estimates for sheep and beef
farmers are You know, I don't want to be too
blunt about it, but if you're not making money at
the moment, you're never going to make money. East Coast
farmers expecting the largest swing the up forecast. The rise

(25:25):
of forecast is applicable for all regions in the country. Obviously,
all regions in the country have different heck tares and
stock levels, so therefore some regions will do better than others.
But you know, beans for beans, everybody's looking good. Greater
proportion of profits sitting in the North Island as opposed
to the South. For example, last year one hundred and
thirty eight thousand dollars profit on average. Before that it

(25:49):
was a thirty year low at eighteen thousand dollars. So
it's gone from eighteen to one hundred and thirty eight
to the current forecast for twenty five to twenty six
to one hundred and sixty six thousand on average for
each and every sheep and beef farmer in this country.
So that's exciting news. And you know how it goes.
The money goes round and round in rural, provincial and

(26:09):
eventually urban and therefore rull of New Zealand. So we'll
take it six away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, the ins and the ouse. It's the fizs with
business favor. Take your business productivity to the next levels.

Speaker 14 (26:21):
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
More good news. We got planes this time, finally, finally, finally, finally,
we're getting back to our pre COVID carriers record. So
this is internationally air services for the northern winter season.
They're going into the northern winter season at the moment,
of course. Talking to somebody in London yesterday and I said,
as the autumn arriviist is pouring, gone dark. It's pouring
up north where our sun is in Edinburgh, it's dark,

(26:43):
it's pouring. It's just like September arrived and that was
the end of summer, and summer had been pretty good
up until that point anyway, where was a northern winter season.
It's going to be up three and a half percent
on the same period of twenty nineteen. The sadness is. Honestly,
twenty nineteen wasn't last year. If it was last year,
fair enough, it's not. It's six long jewis years ago.
So this is all from the border airlines representatives. Comes

(27:06):
on top of the Jetstar announcement this week, which is good. Also,
the news we got Hawaiian Airlines will be bringing back
the Auckland Honolulu service. Can it be slightly controversial? On
the Fronday? So this news story was that they've got
their first CEO Hawaiian Airlines, their first female CEO. Why
is that still a thing? Can't we congratulate her for
being a good person who's worked well, done well and

(27:26):
deserves congratulations for getting the job. The fact that she
is a female should not matter because the best person
should get the job. Am I right? Or am I right?
Southern summer looking even better. October through March services are
going to be up eight point two percent on the
same period last year, so that's good. This week we're
seeing total overseas visitor arrivals. We'll still see at ninety

(27:46):
three percent for July, ninety three percent of what we
were six years ago. So the comeback to build back
has just not happened. South Island airports especially strong growth
of summer which is exciting. Christ Church fourteen point seven
percent more services year on year, Queenstown up fourteen point
four percent. Auckland Airport is going to have six point

(28:08):
four percent more for the northern winter international services compared
a year earlier. But as I said the other day,
a lot of people seem to fly from Auckland to
christ Church to catch, for example, an Emirates flight across
the Tasman, because you can't fly from across the Tasman
on Emirates anymore. Out of Auckland. You can only fly
direct to Dubai and Emirates are a very good airline.

(28:28):
And if you want to fly to Australia the way
you used to on Emirates, you can't do it out
of Auckland. Why not all you got to do is
go to christ Church where you can. Seems weird to me,
and some of those numbers would indicate that people have
worked that out and christ Chuchel or the South London
in general is benefiting right new subjects in school. We've
got a building kind of angst around some of these
principles as well. Over the general ec NCEEA reject so

(28:51):
we'll talk to the Minister of Education about this in
the next half hour of the program. What else can
we tell you about a wacky idea around binding referenda.
We won't spend too long on it, but it's an
idea that you know, maybe you'll go what it's a
great idea. Sir John Kerwin on the program. Ahead of
tomorrow's big clash. What are you gonna do?

Speaker 18 (29:08):
You know?

Speaker 2 (29:08):
How much of the Warrior are you going to watch?
To watch all the warriors? If the Warriors gets gripping, like,
if it gets really gripping, are you going to stay
with it or not? Anyway? Sir John Kerwin on that,
Tim and Kadi after eight News, It's.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
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the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vita, Retirement, Communities, Life
Your Way, News Togs he'd.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Be welling seven past seven old Hurricane Stanford's back. Along
with the National Curriculum refresh, we get new subjects Civics,
Electronics and computer science and for laughs, journalism, toss in
a bit of AI as well. Education Minister Erica Stanford
is with us. Good morning, good morning. Why these specific
subjects and how do you choose them?

Speaker 13 (29:56):
Well, the Ministry of Education have given me quite a
lot of advice. Yes, but there's also some of the
things that we've been talking about for a very long time,
like civics, but we've never done and there's been many
groups have called for our civics to be taught in
our schools and so that was a no brainer. And
then there are other things like further maths, which is
taught in other similar jurisdictions but we don't have it's

(30:17):
in the Cambridge curriculum for example. And then applied Maths
was something that we knew we needed to have in
order for those young people who are doing a industry
lead subject to have a math subject that was specific
to more of a vocational pathway.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, the actual roll out in the detail behind it
and the need for specialist teachers and who gets to
choose the subjects and what schools they turn up and etc.
When do we know that?

Speaker 13 (30:44):
We'll have more detail out in the next month about
the criteria for each subject and the description, I should say,
and they'll be available early next year, so people will
actually be able to see the new curriculum early next year.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Involved the industries, and does that reassure us that these
are proper subjects that will lead somewhere.

Speaker 13 (31:05):
Well, most of these subjects lead on to tertiary pathways
if you look at, for example, the politics, philosophy, and civics,
so that is a pathway that you can carry on doing.
Many schools were already offering some of these things. They
were trying to sort of cobble together credits from units
from different subjects to create these pathways. So, for example,

(31:26):
philosophy has been something that's been taught in some schools,
you know, Civics and politics and other schools. So we're
trying to create really good subjects for schools who were
already doing them.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Three things, while I've got you related matters. The growing
pushback that appears to be building around general changes to NCEEA.
Is this a fight building?

Speaker 13 (31:47):
No, I don't think so. I think actually things that shifting.
I was talking to a principle yesterday who said many
of the principals who signed that original letter are now
have changed their minds, which is encouraging. Also, I'm meeting
with the associations, all of the principal associations to talk
them through the proposal, and there's a lot of misinformation
that's been put out there. We're just and as we

(32:09):
go through that, people feel a lot more comfortable, and
also they understand that there is there will be more
consultation to come. But I'll point out that when Hipkins
went through his level one changes, I was just looking
at the nz ceer report after he proposed his changes
thirty five or thirty four, it was percent of the
sector supported them. It is always a huge debate and

(32:30):
it was no different then. I think they took out
a full page Herold article against him at the time
and it was similar concerns. So it is always up
for debate. But actually the feedback that I'm getting is
overwhelmingly positive. But we will certainly make some changes, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh go the pay scrap any closer.

Speaker 13 (32:49):
I can't answer that because I'm obviously not in the negotiations.
I hope. So we in good faith put literally everything
on the table and said, hey, look, let's bargain on this.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I have a good weekend. I don't have time for
the third part. She met with Willow jene Prime, So
maybe that goes somewhere, maybe it doesn't. Ten minutes past
seven Paski, you're a big fan of civics. The interesting
thing about civics is they always argue you should teach civics,
and that's why they're doing in America, so you can
understand how the system works, and understanding how the system works,
you turn up to vote, which, of course, in America
is the exact opposite, So civics doesn't actually work.

Speaker 16 (33:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
A bit of an idea around councils and they're spending.
Speaking of democracy, instead of a rate cap, how about
a referenda binding referenda votes would apply to projects over
five hundred dollars per rate payer or five percent of
the council spending. Nick Clark is the secretary of Local
Government Business Forum and as well. It's Nick, good morning,
Good morning night. It's a beatty, ridiculous idea. You realize that,

(33:43):
don't you.

Speaker 14 (33:46):
Oh, we don't think so. I mean, look, we you know,
we recognize fully that rates have gone up massively and
there's huge pressure. There's a lot of pressure to do
things like rates capping, which you know, I mean, as
a rate payer, I love.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
The idea of it.

Speaker 14 (34:04):
But when we had a look at it rates capping,
we did see that internationally that there are some issues
with it, including under investment in critical infrastructure, you know,
deteriorating public services. There's all sorts of definition definitional issues.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
What will be used.

Speaker 14 (34:22):
Will it be the consumer price index that we all
care about it, Would it be local government cost inflation
which will be the base for a cap? Would you
factor in population growth. There's a whole lot of things
that would need to be worked through if it's going
to be done properly. And we thought, well, let's put
this add another idea into the mix that the government
can consider, and this would be giving ratepayers a direct

(34:43):
say in major spending decisions on non essential projects.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Normally, i'd agree with you if you hadn't had the
by election in Auckland last week. The fact is that
no one will turn up and you'll get a winning
percentage fifty one percent of no one, which is no one.
And that's the problem, isn't it. And you've seen it
in places like California.

Speaker 14 (35:01):
Yeah, that would certainly be a problem. That's why our
paper suggests there should be things like a perhaps a
turnout threshold and or maybe even a supermajority, particularly if
there's a binary choice you don't really want something with
fifty one to forty nine when there's huge amounts of
money at stake and on of twenty percent turnout totally agree.

(35:22):
That's why you need some thresholds.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
The problem with democracy, though, is you're allowing me to
turn out. And democracy is always right and that's fantastic,
But I'm allowed to turn out knowing nothing about what
I'm voting for. Whereas you could argue experts and council
do not what you know. In other words, they know
better than us.

Speaker 14 (35:37):
Well, I'm not so sure about that, given some of
the quality of decisions that have come out of councils
over the years. I do have a bit of faith
in democracy. I think it's the best form of government,
regardless of all the other types that have been tried.
And you know, I think, you know, obviously, if you
treat voters like adults, you know, they're perhaps more likely

(35:59):
if you give the right information, if you really make
an effort to engage with them, and they actually see
that their vote can make a difference. Like in the
local elections, you know, you get a bunch of people
that you could vote for. Most of them you don't
even know who they are some bothy systems. They've got
things like STV where you have to rank thirty people.

(36:20):
I mean it's crazy to be able to try and
make informed choices. And frankly, a lot of people, a
lot of voters and particularly in the local government, think
that their votes don't really make much difference. But if
you actually put some skin in the game in terms
of this is actually going to make a difference, then
maybe people will care a bit more about local democracy.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You almost turn me Nick, not quite but almost well
done well, argued Nick Clark, secretary of the Local Government
Business Forum. Come back on christ Church Cathedral in a
moment thirty make a fourteen past the.

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Speaker 2 (36:55):
That be right oh to John Coo and shortly on
the Rugby seventeen past Praise the Lord. There's life in
the christ Church Cathedral rebuild after all got a new
plan shortfall that brought the project to a standstill. That
seems to have been reduced to about forty million. They'll
now proceed in stages and fingers Cross were good to
go in about five years time now. Mark Stewart's the
director of the Christ Church Cathedral Reinstatement Organization marks with us.
Mark morning, Good morning, Mike. This is desperately needed, isn't it.

(37:18):
But I mean for those of us who from christ Church,
but look at outside in if there's one thing that
needs sorting, this is it.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
This is it, Mike.

Speaker 19 (37:27):
I mean, this is the catstone to the end of
the earthquake era. You know, we've got Cathedral Square that
sits there sort of anguishing, and yet everything around it
has revitalized, and we're on file. We're about to open
the stadium and several months away, and we're going to
bring all this international attention to christ Church and the
renaissance after the earthquake. And yet we have this big

(37:48):
light on our landscape right in the center of the city.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Are the numbers solid? That gap is solid? It's forty
million ish and you've got it covered.

Speaker 19 (37:56):
Yeah, I believe that's pretty much, Mike. We've been working
on site for several years now. We've only been insider
for you know, eighteen months or so, and that's when
we really could do all the assessments as to how
to fix it. The state of it's you know, repair
and you know what state it was actually in which
was fairly badly damaged, as you can imagine. So we've

(38:18):
been we've had we've been pouring over these numbers for
several years. You know, the thirty percent of the cost
of the cathedral is actually in masonry, So this is
Stonemasons putting things back if you like. So you know,
this is a labor intensive job pretty much. But you know,
we've we've done all the estimates. We sort of know
how to fix it. We've got the we've got all

(38:39):
the design and underway, and we've had to reconsider that
now in a staged approach too, because some of the
foundations need to be laid for the future. But nonetheless,
we know we're building a brand new tower from scratch
out of the ground and one hundred percent of building
code for that particular part of the building. And you know,
we've we've got a robust plan, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Well, I wish you were with it, and I'll be
there with bells on in twenty thirty. Mark Stewart, who's
the director of the christ Church Cathedral Reinstatement Group Hipkins,
said yesterday he finally got around to condemning Ferris. He
said he can't work with the Maori Party, ruled out
working with the Maori Party if it accepted Ferris's views.
He says it's a disciplinary matter, which it is, but

(39:19):
they don't accept Ferris's views and he knows that. So
in saying he can't work with them unless they accepted views,
knowing that they don't, did he say anything at all?

Speaker 20 (39:29):
Does Ferris except Ferris's views mat because I mean, if
he's still there.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Does Farris know what Ferris's views are? It is seven twenty.

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mark the week, little piece of news and current events.
It's funnier than listening to Stuart nashgo rogover. Women are
the Cathedral seven yep, as you've just heard. If I
wasn't from christ it'tured out to be that grip. But
that thing is an such desperate need of being sorted,
So a new plan is most welcome. Jetstar six. Who
doesn't love competition? Hez and Chuck six. I'm uplifted by

(41:12):
nice pieces of news like that. Family is a hard
work at the best of time, so reconciliation of any
nature is good. France three Another day, another Prime Minister.
There's a reason why they call the French the French.
Are the by election three a bust on every level,
but mostly for the lack of interest in basic democracy.
The or Quiggley saga six because the tawdry tale is

(41:33):
slightly being unwound, but also three because it's a shabby,
arrogant display of an aptitude by an institution that should
have known better, and Christian Hawksby admitted as much yesterday.
Charter schools seven first public publicly declared school having a
look at the option. The idea might come of age
compulsory key you save six between Peters and several new

(41:54):
reports this week. It's building a head of esteem as
an idea. The idea's time might well have come. Are
the Warriors eight Yep, Webster was right yesterday. It is
a new season. We are six. Six is good. Six
is alive. Six is of the ticket to the big dance.
Lets dart the all Black seven if they can repeat
last week, not just the win but the take no
prisoners one for the ages. I will die for this

(42:16):
victory kind of when that will be worth any price
for a ticket. New Zealand Inc. Six couple of stats
this week, including residential construction that shows things are on
the turn. It is shoots, it is hope, it is patchy,
but it just might be Marbo Ferris one.

Speaker 20 (42:34):
Oh sorry, that seems to be broken, idiot. Hang on,
I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Pins four because he cart ex again. How is he
gained to square that nutty Ferris type circle? And because
he count next year it's over before it starts. And
that's the week. Copies on the website and excitingly, marking
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(43:01):
make and when they swear allegiance to marking the week,
it's an instant seven. Welcome to New Zealand, of course, Tsking.
Of course a woman's appointment Mike should be unremarkable, but
sadly it's not, maybe because for many years women did
not get the job, even if they were the best.
I take your point, but I worry about women being
undermined because these days are correct me if I'm wrong.

(43:22):
But women are appointed for appropriate reasons, and therefore the
more you try and make a big deal out of
it being a woman, the more you undermine the woman
for having got there on her own auspices. Mike, I
find it interesting that the chair of Netbull's fronting where's
the CEO? That will be a decision for a reasonable point,
That will be a decision of Netball New Zealand. Do
you want to put the CEO out or the chair?
One voice, one message? So the chairs the man, so

(43:44):
they've decided rightly or wrongly. Morning Mike, wondering what your
priorities are for Saturday sport. If the Warriors are losing badly,
will you switch to the rugby Chris, of course I will.
I don't watch losers. I am not interested in the losers.
I give the Warriors because of my thirty one year dedication.
I give them the start bone, the fact they'd kick
off earlier, and of its close. I'll stay and if
it's exciting, I'll stay. If we're winning, will stay. But

(44:05):
if there are a bunch of losers, I'm gone, Mike.
I'm in christ Church for the week. Next week National
Hockey Championship. Can you recommend a good restaurant? Twenty seven
steps in Regent Street, casual and lovely. There is an
upmarket steakhouse. Helped me out drive down more House towards
Columbo towards the Hills. Very nice upmarket steakhouse. Who am
I think? I couldn't think of the name, but twenty

(44:25):
seven steps very nice restaurant. News.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
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Speaker 2 (44:39):
A majority of Brazil's Supreme Court judges a voter to
convict Bolsonaro for plotting a military coup, so he's going
to be potentially in jail for a seriously long time. Now,
a little bit of sport for you, John Cowan. We
were going to talk to him about the rugby but
he's disappeared, so that's okay. It's not the end of
the world because I suspect I knew what he was
going to say. What it was really more interested in

(45:00):
talking to him about because he's part of the consortium
who's putting together the North of Auckland they're building a
surf park. It's generated. The power being generated is by
it's what do you call it, renewables And so there's
going to be data centers there and all of that
sort of stuff. But anyway, I've become fascinated with the
Abu Dhrby Surf Park with the perfect wave, the seven

(45:23):
hundred meters wave. It was Bessie. By the way, just
before I forget thinking about Bessie is the steakhouse in
christ Church that I was referring to. So you can
either go to twenty seven steps or Bessie.

Speaker 20 (45:32):
And you're pulling on a lot of threads at all.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
At the same time, I'm doing a lot of different things.
It's this is how my mind works. Your person at
home tells me it's a miracle she stayed with me.

Speaker 20 (45:41):
It's not so much a mind palace as a mine
mirror maze.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
That's exactly what it is. So anyway, says seven hundred
meters long wave at the Arbu Derby Surf Park. But
the big thing was and this is why his idea
is clever. Kuwan's idea is clever. For the surf park
here they're charging fifty four hundred dollars to hire the
park out for ninety minutes, and that's American dom fifty
four hundred dollars for ninety minutes, it's nine hundred and
fifty dollars. If you want to go with the crowd

(46:05):
nine hundred and fifty dollars for six waves, you get
six waves guaranteed for nine hundred and fifty bucks, once
again American dollars. So there's big money in surfing, was
my point. So I was looking forward to talking to
him about that, but now we're not going to. But
that's like, now, what I can give you are stats
on rugby and rugby league and they're fascinating. So the
stats on rugby, I told you the other day the
Lions tour was instrumental in turning around the fortunes of

(46:28):
Australian rugby. They were in the red. And the money
they collected from the Lions too, which was about one
hundred and twenty million dollars they thought it would be
one hundred came out to about one hundred and twenty
million dollars. They're suddenly in the black. Mah. The numbers
are back as well on television and in the stadium.
So the second Puma's Clash at Alliens Stadium sold out.

(46:50):
Two of the three Lions Tests were sold out. The
reason the other one wasn't was, of course, it was
at the MCG and they had millions of people there. Anyway,
over fifty thousand tickets have already been sold for the
Wallabies test. This again, it's the All Blacks and Perth.
This is in the early part of October, so that's
going to be a full house. Six sellouts in the
previous nine Wallabies tests. So this is rugby Australian style.
The poor cousin to everything, including the NRL and the AFL.

(47:13):
The Wallabies will break a cumulative domestic attendance record for
the calendar year, potential total of around three hundred and
seventy one thousand for the seven tests. Overall attendance figure
for the twenty five lines too was eighty thousand higher
than the twenty thirteen version. More broadly, eyes on the
campaign in general and watching on television is up as well,

(47:34):
so all in all they're reaching six point They did
a big national survey are you interested in rugby? The
number is six point eight eight million out of a
population of twenty six twenty seven million, six point eight
eight million people are interested in rugby, so rugby is back.
Then you come to the NRL, which is of interest
to us because the Warriors obviously so the NRL. The
average time of the ball in play this is the

(47:54):
most fascinating stamp. The average time of the ball in
play in league is fifty six minutes out of our
eighty fifty six minutes. The ball isn't play? What is
it in rugby? Thirty four? There's your problem, isn't it?
Is that your problem right there? Thirty four versus fifty
six minutes. So far this year, one hundred and ninety
seven games have been played. Seventy games were decided by

(48:16):
a margin of zero to six points, most since twenty eighteen.
On average, forty six point four points have been scored
per game. On average, forty six points per game, second
most in twenty years. Thirty eight teams, after trailing at
half flight halftime, came back to when That's the second

(48:37):
highest comeback figure ever. The number of big comebacks unprecedented.
Eight teams have prevailed after conceding a half time deficit
of thirteen points or more. That too, is a new record.
So the ball isn't play more than it ever has been.
There are more points being scored than there ever have been.
The tighter games, there are more than there ever have

(48:58):
been in the comebacks of figures, well so League and League.

Speaker 20 (49:01):
I don't watch as much League as you. How many
times does the halfback do a box kick and hope
to get the ball back in League? That happens at
the end of a set of five Sometimes, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yes, it does. It's a standard. At the end of
five you.

Speaker 20 (49:14):
Kick yeah, And how often? How often does it work?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Well, it depends what you're trying to do. See after
a box kick after five, you're just trying to get
down to the other end of the field. So it
works every time. I mean the ultimate workers you kick
it down to the other end of the field and
the guy goes to catch it, he drops it Knoxiford
and you get the ball back. But in general it
works every time. So what you're saying is this is
your recession around the All Blacks. But you are in
no position to talk to us this morning about the
All Black success because you were the person who said

(49:38):
we were going to lose two for two.

Speaker 20 (49:39):
I can't believe it's taken you until today. I've been
saving it to bring this up.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I've been saving We're we're all even on this. Sam
said we'd win two worth South Africa, and he said
one and one on You said one and one on Argentina. No,
you said two on Argentina, one and one in South Africa.
So we've got to lose tomorrow for Sam to be right,
so he'll be wrong. I'm on the come back because
I said we'd win to in Argentina and I was wrong, obviously,
So at that point Glen was right and he was

(50:05):
leading contender. But he said we'd lose two and two
in South Africa. I said, we're going to win both,
and we will win tomorrow night, which makes me the winner.

Speaker 20 (50:11):
Are you very confident about that?

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Very very, very very Do you.

Speaker 20 (50:14):
Think that the Springbots can play as badly as they
played in the weekend, Very.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Very confident on that. And then we'll win two out
of two in Australia, which will make me the ultimate winner.
So I'm declaring myself the winner for the season right here,
right now, eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
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Speaker 16 (50:31):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
What I normally do and the ad breakers. I finished
my olives before the ad break finishes, and I looked
at the clock and thought, shit, this is going to
finish in a minute. And here I am.

Speaker 20 (50:46):
Caught yet again, mouthful of olives.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Mouthful of olives. Cost of insuring, just a couple of
quick stats on this. I told you this is going
to build into insue a couple of years ago, and
it has no So the cost of insuring has gone
past two thousand dollars for us on average, which is
a forty percent increase in the past couple of years.
Forty percent on average. Now, unlike counsels and stuff, they've
got an excuse to the extent that every one of

(51:09):
us is paying for the Auckland Anniversary floods and Cyclone Gabriel.
We've also had the record inflation, and we've also got
the mounting global reinsurance costs, so they're real. The record
inflation I don't accept. I mean, yes, there was record inflation,
but you don't have to play that game. You don't
have to pass it on and go, oh, well, it's inflation.
You know how inflation works, because all that does is
add to inflation. These are stats In New Zealand, it

(51:30):
gets worse. Insurance has gone up sixty percent in the
past five years. Inflation over that time is twenty four
point seven percent, So sixty percent versus twenty four point
seven percent. If you want to go back ten years,
it has gone up one hundred and twenty eight percent.
Inflation has been thirty three if you want to look

(51:50):
back to the year two thousand, so in other words,
twenty five years ago, your insurance has gone up nine
hundred and sixteen percent. Inflation's at ninety So you can
only argue inflation so long. There are only so many
Auckland Anniversary floods, and there's only so many cyclone gabriels,
and I can tell you they haven't been happening every
year for the last twenty five years, so something's going

(52:12):
on there. And nine hundred and sixteen percent, So we
are rapidly getting to the point of where haven't already
where there are people who can't afford basic insurance. And
so when the next one comes, and it will, then
you're going to have increasing numbers. Is going to be
just like America, where you have increasing numbers of people
who rely on the state or the local council to
bail them out. And that's not an acceptable way of
doing things. So something needs to happen quick smart. And

(52:33):
then we come to my reading yesterday of a new
report and I'm sure people at Radio and New Zealand
and co. Who went nuts over the AWS was that
two weeks ago to this week. It was a couple
of weeks ago. AWS went and said, hey, we're live.
It's billions of dollars worth of investment, lots of jobs
and we're all good to go on the data centers.
A report out yesterday that data centers contribute and estimated
sixteen and a half billion dollars to the economy support

(52:55):
for a further seventy six billion of broader digital services.
This in New Zealand text study combined, that's ninety three
billion dollars to the New Zealand economy of economic activity.
Ninety three billion dollars. So all the people who wrote
the stories about how weird it was and miserable it
was and how they found a patch of dirt out
west that somehow hadn't been built on and Luxeon got
sucked in, the whole thing was dreadful. You know, come on,

(53:17):
ninety three.

Speaker 20 (53:18):
Billion dollars not one hundred billion, is it?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
No, it's not, it's not, No, it's not. It's well,
I sure of one hundred billion. Another twenty we're planned
to under construction these data centers. Bture, the media will
be all over that. You recon newsroom and arin Z
will be looking for the twenty Where are they?

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Is that a patch of dirt? Could that have been
a data center? Was that built?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
And wasn't?

Speaker 17 (53:36):
A bit?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Was a data center that was never built? Sector directly
employed more than a thousand people and supported more than
six eight hundred additional jobs. This sounds like good news
to me. Goodness, it sounds like it sounds like it's
positive wonder for Radio New Zealander is listening to this.
It's positive news. Forecast by the way to double by
twenty thirty two, fifteen thousand construction jobs. Fifteen thousand construction jobs.

(53:59):
Oh dear, sixteen thousand. I know, but it's still fifteen thousand,
isn't it? That almost looks like back to front beginning
to end? Good news. Modern data centers are fifty four
percent more efficient energy efficient than the legacy one, So
that's good and they're forecasting a further ten billion in
data center investment over the next decade. So more money.
Just let me get this right. More money, more jobs,

(54:22):
more construction, more input into the economy, to the tune
of ninety three billion dollars in building.

Speaker 20 (54:28):
Yeah, but what af they built one next to your
house and then on the other side build a fifteen
story apartment block.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
There you go. That's already a New Zealand story of bebber.
I heard one ten to.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Eight the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Dogs.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
There'd be it is heaven away from it. Our military
is after the UK to take part in the Military
Drone Racing Tournament. It helps develop defense forces intelligence, surveillance
and reconnaissance capabilities as drones become a key part of combat.
Of course, Major Richard Adams is with our Uncrewued Aerial
Systems team and he as well as Richard morning.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Good morning Mike.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
How long have you been in the military.

Speaker 7 (55:06):
That's a good question, mylnzel bit different to most. I've
been in the Onione Defense Force for the past fourteen months.
Prior to that, despite growing up and christ you have,
I spent seven years in the British Army as well.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Oh, I see. The reason I asked that question is
this will have been something that if you've been there
long enough, you would never have seen. This is a
modern part of military, you know, thinking and activity that
you wouldn't have seen when you joined a long time ago.

Speaker 7 (55:33):
Absolutely.

Speaker 13 (55:33):
So.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
I had my first exposure this sort of technology back
in twenty eleven twenty twelve in Afghanistan, and while it
was very different back then, it looks very different today
than it did just fourteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
And what's the pathway you reckon? You think if I
ring you in ten years time, exponentially it will have
changed again.

Speaker 7 (55:52):
Yeah, if you look at what's happening in Ukraine at
the moment, every six months looks completely different to the
past six months, given the way that this technology is changing,
which is why we're attempting to all while we're looking
to adapt as quickly as possible, so we have the
most upstate equipment available to our to our people.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
What can they what what's the what's the advance? Is
it distance? Is it accuracy? It's is it payload or what.

Speaker 7 (56:14):
It's a little bit of everything, So it is accuracy,
c look at the some of the work that Ukraine did,
you destroying very expensive Russian bombers one hundreds of miles
inside of Russia. It's payloads, so different sort of payloads,
whether it's for surveillance or whether it's for for strike,
so for for connectic activity, and it's also ways to

(56:37):
overcome countermeasures. So you know, again all Ukraine that's spent
a lot of effort into doing fiber optic drone saving
cables instead of using radio frequencies to ensure they can't
be jammed.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Interesting then, because it's it's it's the interface between I mean,
it's it's no one likes blowing stuff up and no
one likes war. But what the Ukrainians did to the
Russian Air Force was astonishing, wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (57:01):
It was spectacular, absolutely, But I think it's also it
also speaks to what they do on a day to
day basis in terms of the impact that they're having
with the sort of technology. So any on which focus
you look at, the estimates are that seventy percent of
casualty is now in that conflict are caused by drones,
and that's mainly through the oldrible advances that have happened
over the last two or three years.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
So are we any good? I mean, when you go
into competition at this sort of thing in Britain, are
we good?

Speaker 7 (57:26):
Yes, we are. So we've had some success in the past.
It's something that we we're leaning into more now just
given the impact that sort of skill can have on
milch operations. But now we have a very very talented team.
So we've got a team of five that's head and across.
It's a trial service team from the Army and Avan
Air Force and they're competing against or they're one of

(57:47):
fourteen nations that are competing at the tournament, so we
expect them to do.

Speaker 21 (57:50):
Is we well?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Good on you mate, We'll go well with it. I
appreciate your time and insight. Major Richard Adams, who's New
Zealand Army lead on this uncrued aerial systems team. Four
minutes away from eight hard games, I can tell I
fear us. I'll come back to him after eight thirty.
But he's tripled down this morning. That's what they're calling it,
tripling down. There's something going on there. He's cruising for
a bruising, as they say, and they'll have to I
assume that he's heading for deselection. But I'll come back

(58:12):
to the detail. He's just basically refusing to apologize that
they're going to have to boot him out of the
party in some way shape up form A good question, Mike,
do you know if the Kadrona hotel ever sold? All
the hype and tho update, Jim, thank you for asking.
Last I heard was a couple of weeks ago. They
were claiming things were bubbling, things were moving. It was
all on I initially when the story broke many months ago,
I said seven or eight million. Everyone laughed at me

(58:33):
and they went, it'll be twenty thirty. And what I've
seen is it's not actually sold. So as so often
happens in the real estate market, plenty of hot air
at the beginning, and it's all go until it isn't.
So the AD's gone. The last we heard was things
were moving, but as far as I know, to answer
your question directly, it has not sold. If you want
to be a last minute, but let's do the week

(58:54):
with Tim and Katie after the News, which is next
to News Talk Set.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
The News and the News Bakers, the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with Bailey's Real Estate covering all your real estate needs
news togs Head be, I.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Know every part of you. We've been together for so long.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
You've seen me at my very worst, but we allway
scared along. This is troublesome, isn't it? Because he's done
some amazing things in his time. I'm just not sure
this is it. It's very stripped back sort of sound,
isn't it if you listening to recording that there's a
stripped back sort of sound, very raw sort of sound.
David Byrne. Of course, I think everyone would know that,

(59:38):
wouldn't They.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Gave me?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
This is called Who Is the Sky? Follows on from
his eighteen LP American Utopia that turned into a Broadway show.
But then again, doesn't everything Observational art, pop ausposion call
it that. There's twelve tracks and he's drummed up thirty
seven minutes and twenty five seconds with them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
The Week in Review with two degrees bringing smart business
solutions to the table.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Tim Wilson's Weathers along with Kaate Hawk's be good morning
to you.

Speaker 22 (01:00:10):
Good morning hey re christ Church restaurant recommendations. They just
have to say yes that you failed to mention Innati
and my sister was there last night and she claims
it's the greatest food in the world.

Speaker 18 (01:00:23):
And they do the most phenomenal duck trumpets that they're
famous for trumpets.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Everything comes in a trumpet these days. It gets started
from Hess and Bloom and Feld. And you make something
into a trumpet or a little cone and it looks
like an ice cream, but it tastes like does it
have does it have wafer wafer like? The wafer cones
can be the little wafer cones, a little mini wafer cones,
or they hand make them with something like seaweed. You
like a little seaweed cone and you'll get something that's
called crayfish cone or something like that. Very nice.

Speaker 18 (01:00:52):
They beef donuts. I don't think they're called I think
they're called something more flash.

Speaker 14 (01:00:57):
Though this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Cuisine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Yes, well, my recommendations reasonable. So if I said twenty
seven cheers steps rather twenty seven steps and Bessie, we did.
Bessie was very good. And that's got fabulous steak if
you're into steak and an arty. I don't think we've
ever been to an arty, have.

Speaker 18 (01:01:15):
We No, But our family, parents, siblings are all obsessed
with it. We yet too we yet to go, but
we've heard amazing things. Why we haven't been.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
It's too expensive and we've got no money.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
It's not too expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
It was okay, it's.

Speaker 18 (01:01:30):
Very it's not fine dining, but it's probably very very.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Since telling me twenty eight to thirty two for remain,
that's a bargains.

Speaker 23 (01:01:39):
That's quite that sounds quite good. Hey, you know, can
we get back to David Burne. You know when you
were playing that Mike, I thought that was you singing?
Did you sound like David Byrne? Because I've heard you, you know,
I have a few goes at it, and I thought
initially this is hoskag.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
That's day. It's unfortunate because I didn't think much of it,
and so therefore what you're saying is we don't think
much of my singing, which is fair enough.

Speaker 20 (01:02:00):
I gives a few lines of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I'm not giving actually.

Speaker 23 (01:02:05):
Actually, fun fact, I had lunch with David Byrne once.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Did you wear at an arty?

Speaker 23 (01:02:11):
No, not an artie at my mate's place in Connecticut?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
He was a bit grim was your mate's place in
sort of? Was he there and you just turned up?
Or did you go? Hey, David, let's have lunch. I've
got a mate in Connecticut, will go there? Or did you?

Speaker 23 (01:02:27):
My My dear friend Helen, she organized that she knew.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Him, so she knew David.

Speaker 23 (01:02:32):
But I know the schmuck from New Zealand who loves
I mean, a big fan of talking heads?

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Were you?

Speaker 23 (01:02:39):
I think I was a bit as well, sort of
like you know, watching your p's and q's. And he's
so quiet?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Oh is he? Do you have some good stories to tell?
Not that I recall, okay, because I remember the only
reason I know about Cones is I hung out with
Heston Blum and film for a while, and he was
he was, he was a fantastically I flew across the
Tasman with him. Is the point. Anyway, he was doing
a show here and I sort of got hooked into

(01:03:06):
the show, and so they flew me over to Brisbane
to see a show. So I knew what the hell
I was doing when he brought a show to New Zealand.
So I flew back from Brisbane with him. And he's
an awfully likable guy, and so I learned a lot
of good time. Yeah, very good time. And I was
but I'm very sad to see what happened to him
in later years, and all that sort of stuff. Katie,
the business, I'm quite overwhelm. Can I tell you the

(01:03:27):
story that Kerry machaiber Woodham and I can never remember
which one it is, but Kerry Woodham came in before
and you, apparently Katie know about this. She presented me
with a bottle of wine.

Speaker 18 (01:03:39):
I told her not to do that. I said, just
give him a big kiss, don't buy him wine, can.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I be honest? And so I'd rather have the wine.

Speaker 18 (01:03:47):
I know probably both laughed when I said.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
It, because she's presented me with her She walked in
with a bottle of wine. The wine's in a box,
and it's a beautiful bottle of wine. It's a fabulous
bottle of wine. She sent me a card she and
I said, I said, what is this? And she goes,
I just want to say thank you? And I said
what for? She goes just for everything, and I thought, oh,
this is this is not good. I said, are you leaving?

(01:04:10):
And she goes, no, not that I know of. I said,
it's just that Jason was saying the stuff the other day,
and I clearly it's got back to you. Anyway. I
had a sucker fue out of a b I loved it.
She said she was just thanking me for being successful,
and that success then translates and allows her to do
her show more successfully because of the success at this

(01:04:31):
time of the morning, isn't that singularly the nicest thing
you've ever experienced in your life.

Speaker 18 (01:04:39):
She's a good person. That's very generous. I did did
beg her not to spend money on your sort of
wine tastes, and so I'm sad she's done that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
No, well, you said you shouldn't be sad. I'm not
sharing it with you. I would not. You should share
it with Carry, I should share it with Kerry.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
You should.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Actually, why don't you crack it after the show?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I would not because I got to go. I would
not be number one without inheriting a tsunami of listeners
from you, which I ride for three hours before crashing it.
This needs to be acknowledged, and I hope this token
of appreciation helps you watch the Warriors Kerry kiss and
can I watch it nice? It is nice? And just

(01:05:21):
to round this lovely story off, what it is? Just
so people, because everyone will go during the break, what
is it? And I'll tell you what it is in
a moment. Thirteen past eight.

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Arty great but small portions. I hate it when people
say that it's just the it's just the it's the
gluttony of the Western Well, I tell you what. There's
not much on the plate. Is there seventeen dollars for
that scooping? I wouldn't mind another couple of those innati.

(01:06:10):
Trust the chef, the staff a great get to have
a good chat with them and let them serve you
a dining masterpiece. It's an experience. So there you go.
Now the next problem. Oh it's a Peachon comtest.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Oh, oh, there we go. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
I was wondering when we're going to hear about the grog.

Speaker 18 (01:06:29):
It's not amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
It's not grog. It's a it's a bottle of it's
a Pichon comtesse, which is a second growth from the
Left Bank and Bordeaux from Oh Saint Julienne from the
appalassion Saint Julienne and is one of the finest fine,
of the finest wines.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
In the world.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Wow, it's amazing. Next problem. Next problem, Jason's children are
into the marimba. What's that? Good question? So Jason's the boss.
Now the murumba? What do you reckon? It would go old?
I'll do the murumba before you go. You got it?

Speaker 23 (01:07:12):
Say it's David Byrne.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
It's David.

Speaker 16 (01:07:17):
I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 15 (01:07:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 23 (01:07:19):
Yes, I know that this wasn't This was in the
briefing document.

Speaker 18 (01:07:23):
Was okay the maering the cork or something that you've
opened it already.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Anyway, I said, how many people pay the murma? So
I'm looking up the murumber Do you know what you
can pay for a marimba? You listen, here's the it's
a musical instrument. It's Paul Simon, It's Graceland.

Speaker 13 (01:07:46):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Mamam, isn't it. No, I'm sorry. You can buy the
Majestic four three h murimba from the rock at a keyboard.
Oh my lord, it's like, listen, played again, Glenn, this
is the marimba.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
How does it make the sound?

Speaker 18 (01:08:12):
Glenn's given up and I'm not surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
And then it just disappears.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
The job here it is.

Speaker 20 (01:08:20):
Okay, so you got the little So this guy's play
actually playing it with with two sticks in each hand,
which I'm pretty sure Jason's kids won't be well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Not until they get the advanced courses.

Speaker 13 (01:08:30):
Where are they learning?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Is this? Is this?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Like they dump in c A and that's mambus greater murimber.
It's like it's like Tracy's murumba school. You pay, you
pay Tracy's mate anyway, the majestic M four three h
murimba from The Rock Show?

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
How much is it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Tim?

Speaker 23 (01:08:52):
Two thousand, seven and eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Dollars two thousand, seven hundred eighty How much you reckon
it was kidding?

Speaker 18 (01:08:56):
One hundred and eighty nine ninety five.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Twenty three thousand dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
What come on?

Speaker 18 (01:09:04):
How ridiculous?

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
This is what kids get you into. They come home
and they go, oh wow, baby grand So you're still
pan on the world a boast and door for exactly
get one of those. So it's a recording. You start
with the recorder costs nothing. Next thing they know they
want the saxophone. They've got to buy a saxophone in
the thousands. So Jason's kids are bringing home, they say,
I want to pay them mariumba twenty three thousand and
ninety five dollars from the rock shop.

Speaker 13 (01:09:25):
What do you know this?

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
This so Dad toe right.

Speaker 23 (01:09:29):
So I'm not buying you a damn recorder because it'll
end up in a maremba. And we're twenty three k
in a hole.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Forget about it. We're not crying.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
And that's before you get to the transportation of the marimba.
They haven't thought this through. No way you can transport
this thing. It's like I said, a drums it's ridiculous.
Quick comment, Katie before we go on Noline Tarua. Fair
or unfair?

Speaker 18 (01:09:48):
Oh, it's a disgrace. It's so unfair. And what we've
got is a generational issue where we've got we've got
too many soccer bubbers coming through the ranks. We've we've
got a we've got a resilience problem with youth and
they're not up for it. They're not tough enough, and
they don't like to be told what to do, when
to do and how to do it. They want to
boost into tears and say everybody's being mean. So I'm
with Noline.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
I think everyone's with Nolan Long Tim what Katie said,
times too. There we go as simple as that. There's
another week, just like that. Tim Wilson, Kate Hawks we
go twenty one.

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Maybe you doing go okay, brilliant. Couldn't have said it better.
It's generational, not confined to sport. Well said, Yeah, it's
a most unfortunate set of circumstances. We find ourselves in
a round done netball at the moment being on Katie.

(01:11:25):
Don't give up your day job, Mike, Yeah, well will,
I'm not going to Joe's garage. Cranford Street, Love Cramford Street.
Used to live on the corner of Cramford Street. It's
also well recommended. Ashley is an outstanding chef. Worked at
the very best restaurants in christ jur It back in
my day, Mike, it was called the xylophone.

Speaker 20 (01:11:41):
Fair enough, it's said, two different instruments.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Yeah they are, but yes, they are completely different. Yes, well,
don't upset the listeners clean, don't, don't don't. I don't
know how to explain this to you. But there's a
protest in Auckland. I mentioned it briefly earlier on in
the program, and my mistake, I thought no one in
there mine could be shid. There was some suggesting the
bridge was going to close because these clowns want to

(01:12:04):
walk across it, and I thought, no one's doing that.
What they'll do is they'll close half of it. In
the other half they'll split. Because you're listening outside of Auckland,
there's multiple lanes each side. They'll just split the lanes
and everyone will get held up for ages. But oh no,
New Zealand Transport Association has confirmed that you will not
be able to travel south. So just the one and
a half million people who live in Auckland on a

(01:12:25):
Saturday morning will not be able to go from north
to south while these dickheads walk across the bridge and inconvenience.
All of this nothing wrong with protest. Protest all you want,
give you a park, have a whole park, standing there
until you're blue in the face. But to be allowed
And I don't know who the bigger idiots are, the
people are protesting or the people who allow them to

(01:12:47):
protest off the bridge. State Highway one is closed because
people want to wave a flak. That's what this country's
gone through. Somebody needs to be held out accountable for that,
and we'll he asks, Obviously the Prime Minister will read.
I mean, if I can find no one else, I'll
blame him on Monday when he joins us in the studio.
But anyway, apart from that, this Paul that's got the maripass,

(01:13:11):
who doesn't have bull in this Maripas across the Talesman
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Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
To bring up speed if you've missed it. This Tacker
to feris thing. It's it's I'm assuming it's coming to
some sort of head because he says he's got nothing
to apologize for. He was sort of door stopped, that's
the appropriate thing, despite the fact there was no door
at Wellington Airport. Says he's got nothing to apologize for.
He's tripling down, as they've termed it. He's dismissed the
apology that is part he made. So they've said sorry
on his behalf. He's refusing to say sorry if you

(01:13:58):
really haven't followed the story. There was the initial post
in the by election last weekend, and then this sort
of this rambling. Well, they call it a late night monologue.
Whoever's written the story calls it a late night monologue.
I'm not sure a late night monologue is doing it justice.
He looked to be he looked to be in an
interesting mood. Put it that way, and it went on

(01:14:18):
and on and on and on and on. Anyway, he
claims he hasn't spoken to either of the co leaders.
Might P. Clark is the other one. I am getting
into the weeds a little bit, but might P Clark
is the other one. She's been pulled from being the yeah,
the whip, and she won't say why other than that
changes are coming. She enjoyed the job, but now she's

(01:14:40):
lost it. So I'm just there's something going on in
the Marory Party. So that, once again is just a
reminder of what a shambles they are and why Precipkins
needs to be Well, he's got a world of paint,
hasn't he. Twenty two minutes away from.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
So Australia we go the next let us sort of
the Australians doing the business for us for the next
couple of weeks. IM pretty glad to welcome to the
Back to the program. Dennis Shanahan, Dennis, morning to you.

Speaker 21 (01:15:06):
Gooday.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
The headline her behavior as bonkers, but the Liberal Party's
rank and file can't get enough of just Center Price.
Is that fair or not?

Speaker 21 (01:15:17):
I think that's probably fair. Look, the Centerprice is a
different person. She is a particularly strong leader. She's charismatic,
she had a very strong following amongst Conservatives, and in
some ways I would think in sort of New Zealand terms,
she's a bit like Winston Peters or she's looked like, well,

(01:15:40):
he's also a New Zealander. Of course, Barnaby Joyce somebody
who gets out there and sees things is in their face,
you know, been through a very hard, hard life and
has represented Indigenous Australians very well. So she's a really
top line figure now in Australian politics. And of course

(01:16:03):
she's just been dumped by Susan Lee, the opposition leader,
a Liberal leader because she well initially wouldn't apologize to
Indian Australians after suggesting that the Labor Party was bringing
in Indians because they voted for the Labor Party, and

(01:16:25):
then after almost two weeks of ongoing toing and froing,
she then three times refused to say she had confidence
in Susan Lee as the Liberal leader. So the Liberal
leader then punted her. But the thing is, for the

(01:16:47):
last ten days, this has eaten up all of the
domestic news. It's embarrassed Susan Lee, it's weakened her authority.
Labor liberal pees have complained about her behavior. Her leadership
is now the issue. And the whole issue of migration,
which is a very big issue, the one that Labor

(01:17:10):
is not actually sort of addressing or handling very well,
has all been set aside while Liberals have fought internally
publicly and it's been a very bad look. I think
this is really damaged Susan Lee's leadership. It's too early
to say this is the end of the leadership. That's

(01:17:31):
not going to happen in the short term, but in
the longer term this is a real problem for Susan Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Is price so important that she'll find a way back
into the ministry eventually.

Speaker 21 (01:17:41):
I think so largely because she is too popular to
actually suppress. Now she's gone to the back bench and
she said she is now going to be able to
speak as she wishes on a whole range of subjects, including,
as she says, all mass migration. Look, migration, particularly illegal immigration,

(01:18:05):
is a global issue. It's having enormous problems for the
UK Labor government. It's created problems in France and in
Italy in recent years. So this is a major political issue.
She is a very popular probably more popular than Susan Lee,

(01:18:27):
a Liberal in Australia, and I think Susan Leaders said
obviously welcomes her to remain in the Liberal Party, to
be part of the parliamentary party, and you know it's
up to her as what happens in the future. I
think is too important to ignore and she will continue
to attract public attention, media focus over the months and

(01:18:51):
years to come.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Elbow's back. He's been up there with our Prime Minister,
of course, among others at the Pacific Forum. Does anything
come out of that.

Speaker 21 (01:18:59):
Look, I think all of the standard stuff came out.
Australia has agreed to provide one hundred million dollars to
the Resilience Fund. And this is designed to be real,
so literally backroard stuff where small communities will be able
to ask about a get financial assistance in trying to

(01:19:22):
help them pre build against climate change very on the
ground measures. But while that's all nice, the whole idea
was to try and get COP thirty one the Climate
Summit in Australia and to sort of really lift the

(01:19:45):
profile of the Pacific as far as climate change is concerned.
But really, apart from very nice words and so forth
and some KIP commitment from finances to Australia, I don't
know that there was any great, a substantial movement on
climate change.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
And I'm assuming China was talked about and they're still
pulling the strings.

Speaker 21 (01:20:10):
Exactly and literally pulling the strings. We had Solomon Island's
opposition MP's saying that the Chinese were pulling the strings
behind the scenes. There's even extraordinary thing that the Chinese police,
that is police stationed in Solomon Islands and now getting

(01:20:31):
people to give their fingerprints and personal details to a
data base for so called community policing. I think that
China's sort of and publicly China was saying there was
too much concern in the Pacific about China. China is
not trying to trap small island nations into debt traps,

(01:20:56):
which certainly looks like and the major countries they were
all too worried about China. I think that what China
was doing at the time during the conference was pretty
clear that he is intent on pulling the strings.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
You're a good blake, We'll catch up. So denis appreciated
of very much. Dinner Shanahan, who's the national editor at
The Australian, The irony is a very funny piece. The
other day I was reading if you want to know,
It's written if you want to know how China and
Australia are competing for influence in the Pacific, constantly seeking
opportunities to establish itself as the dominant power and the Pacific.
Beijing decided to offer a fleet of twenty seven brand
new vehicles as a gift to the Solomon Islands in

(01:21:33):
time for the big summit Pacific Islands Forum. The aforementioned
The twenty seven SUVs were to ferry the various leaders.
What was the Australian response, Well, it would be to
give the Solomon a fleet of sixty brand new vehicles,
so so far they've got eighty seven new counts. Cambra
doesn't want any of the leaders to travel in China's
cars because they're inevitably set up for spying for Beijing.
For good measure of the Australian government's throwing in support

(01:21:53):
for the Solomon cybersecurity upgrades to roads around the capitol,
Honiarra and three million for logistics support for the summit itself.
This is the new reality. It's a daily competition hand
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Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Yeah, my apologies, it wasn't my p Clark, I got removed.
It's Kappa KINGI The argument I've being told by Claire
and she's read handsard as in the Parliament is she
was heard to agree with Ferris's views. So if that's true,
that's something we got to so n ZTA just to
get to the bottom of this. So I'm sorry to

(01:22:37):
bore the rest of the country because you don't care,
and I get that. But the Auckland Harbor Bridge closing
state hoo enclosing. The decision is made by the Transport Association.
In the police email that went out Wednesday mentioned nothing
about closure, nothing on Wednesday. So suddenly by Friday it's
I suspect that they didn't mention anything about closure on
Wednesday because that would have allowed every of them to

(01:22:58):
build up a head of steam and it would have
been all on. Whereas if you do it on Friday,
maybe you can get away with a little more. But
who literally decides. I'm told it's the NZTA and the police,
but there must be somebody who makes the final call.
There must be rules around it, as in, like, what's
the purpose of it? I mean, otherwise I would just
rock up to the NZTA and go I wouldn't mind
closing the bridge, thanks very much on Saturday, and I'll

(01:23:20):
just wander across and twenty minutes later we'll open up.
So there's got to be rules around it. It'll have
something to do with size. But I just do not
understand that when it comes to protests that it has
to be on a bridge, it has to be on
pretty much as singular route of the biggest in the
biggest city, the bit that connects the two bits of
the city together population one point five million on a

(01:23:42):
Saturday morning. It seems absurd. And I can't think of
a single protest that's so important that it trumps the
views of one and a half million people getting about
their daily business. You want to protest, go protest somewhere,
no problem, but don't inconvenience everybody. And further, the agency
that allows that and the rationale behind it. I can't

(01:24:03):
even begin to.

Speaker 20 (01:24:04):
Just I mean, the last heck a Way that went
over it there wasn't closed. They closed. They let them
have two exactly clip on lanes and that was that
seemed to be heaps of room and organizers there were
like nine hundred thousand people on that one exactly. They're
expecting more for this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Something's gone wrong here, something's a wry it'll be you wait,
but we'll be still talking about this on Monday morning
and some dufice in an office will have done something wrong,
and then the Prime Minister all weigh in over the
go and then the Minister of Transport will come to it.
It'll all be just watch this space nine away from
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Send an email to maintenance and see how long it takes.
Do you want to open a book on that. Let's
not Mike, closing the road bridge is akin to closing
roads for gangs. It's actually is. I mean, you know,
there's no shortage of no shortage of the approbrium when
they used to do that in the labor government. But
suddenly we're here. We are in a brand new government
with a brand new will in a brand new view
apparently not five away from nine.

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So this is a woman who's this is a woman
who's giving a raccoon. The raccoon is drunk on moonshine,
and she's giving the raccoon CPI.

Speaker 12 (01:26:34):
So our health apartment is right beside of Kentucky MIAs Moonshine,
which is a distillery. And they had put some fermented
peaches in their dumpster, and I guess the two baby
raccoons had got into the dumpster and they were stuck.
Everybody that was around was like, it's dead. I mean,

(01:26:55):
it's just not gonna make it. And it was, it
was not breathing, so I'm I mean, immediately I just
started doing CPR on it. The entire time I was
doing it, I was sort of afraid that you would
come too and eat me up. And you know, raccoons
Kerry Raby, so I was afraid of that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
There's nothing worse than fermented peaches.

Speaker 20 (01:27:18):
Well for a raccoon. As far as Kentucky, miss Moonshine goes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Does a raccoon really eat y'all up? I don't think
it does.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Probably gives you a nip the other thing. By the way,
we haven't mentioned supercars this weekend at Taylor Ben in
South Africa, South Africa, South Australia. That's the first of
the in dua races leading up to Bathurst, of course.
So you got the Warriors, you got the abs, you've
got the supercars. By the way, John Cowan, who was
supposed to be on at seven thirty wasn't, has texted

(01:27:50):
to apologize, which was nice, he says, totally on him.
But he also offered to give me some wine. So
Carry's given me some wine, and Sir John's giving me
some wine and I've got the sport for the weekend.
I mean jeez, talk about leave the studio a happy man.
Back on Monday, Happy Days.

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