Full Show Podcast: 13 November 2025

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Thursday 13th of November, Public Services Commissioner Sir Brian Roche speaks on McSkimming, Coster, and what’s next for the investigation. 

Health Minister Simeon Brown discusses the rollout of 12-month prescriptions, private cancer patients gaining access to publicly funded medication, and the cutting of red tape around medical conferences.  

Acclaimed author John Grisham is back on the show for a chat about his latest book 'The Widow'. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Been well Today the Public Service Commission on his report
into the mexiciming appointment, as well as What's to do
with Coster Got movement in the matcouna Oyster scandal, new
law and hell through our medicine scripts and conferences you'll
need to know about John Grisham back for a catch up,
and Taffaran Field is in this Thursday Morning are along
with Rod who does Great Britain for it, Pasking Welcome
to the day. Seven past six s and p Standard

(00:32):
and Paws have made an interesting observation over our water reforms.
They worry that the new system local water done well
will end up costing more than the previous government three waters.
So score one for labor if you're playing politics on
this one. Now to their point, which is more based
on accounting than ideology, which I'll come to in a moment.
It points out the councils, although they have a lot
of choice as to how they handle their water, still

(00:52):
run the risk of ending up in fiscal trouble. The
reason as many councils have already or are already deeply
in debt, and water reform adds to that. But under
the new rules, the water entity becomes a problem for
the council if the water entity falls over or gets
into trouble. In that lies the ideology. Now under the
new scheme, central government's not really part of the mix.

(01:13):
It's your water. You can do it well for yourself. Now,
under Labour three waters was everyone's water, including an overt
Mari influence, which of course is what rucked us up
in the first place. But the separation between local and
central government wasn't as great as what we have now.
There is also a lesson, I would hope in this
for local councils who find themselves a bit balls to
the wall, as they say, when it comes to debt.

(01:35):
The mechanism set up allows councils to borrow from a
facility of better rates than they otherwise would have been
able to, but the pressure comes from the fact that
they are already deeply in debt. Why would that be
because historically, of course they've borrowed and spent on frippery
and not fundamentals like water. Not all councils, of course,
but a lot. So this is a kind of lesson
from Wellington. Grow up, learn to run a business, do

(01:58):
your job, provide the basics and you'll be amazed at
how much simpler life is. Does their predicament brought about
by death and largest present risk as it and p sagest. Yes,
But it's your area, your water, your problem.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
News of the world in ninety seconds from the.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Old geopolitical file, What have I got for your Trump's
interest in Venezuela's been met with a philly hefty old
deployment of troops by a Maduro.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
We have truth and reason on our side. We stand
on the right side of history. We defend the most
sacred cause ever defended in Britain.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
We may well have the beginnings of a coup on
star and civil names are in the mix, but the
hot money seems to be on wez streeting.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I've got a harder job already, so I'm quite enjoying
DNIS one, Thank you very much, and I'm definitely not
going to say anything today that adds to the silly
season going on downtown. Whoever's been briefing they should spend
a little less time watching celebrity traders and a bit
more time watching country.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
File tories, of course lapping it up.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
The Prime Minister's advisors had been reduced to briefing that
MPs can't get rid of him because it would destabilize
international markets. Why does the Prime Minister think that there
would be a market meltdown if the health sextree took over.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Doing his best?

Speaker 6 (03:13):
This is a.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
United team and grew up a living together.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
The Sun five interest rate cuts.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
He's in trouble. More from Rod Lader. We also have
a report on a detention sinto where a bloke called
Nttle husband was jailed for twenty years or twenty years
ago for sexual abuse. He's now dead. Others abuse happened
between nineteen sixty one and eighty seven.

Speaker 8 (03:39):
Widespread physical abuse was present from the day Medensley opened
its doors until the day they closed in nineteen eighty seven,
resulting in thousands of victims of physical abuse.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Britain just seems to be a country of less reports,
doesn't it. Limb staudtside, the housing debate is so hot
right now numbers of this Morning Show mortgage DeMar is
actually up. Trump's floating the idea of a fifty year mortgage.
But still there are those who say it's all two
hard and if.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
They're not subsidized by their families or parents, forget about it.
You're not going to be able to buy a home
until your forties or even maybe beyond that.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Finally, Toto Wolf looking to sell part of a stake
in the Mercedes F one team. Now he owns a
third of that. He wants to flick five percent. That
would indicate a market cap now ten point six billion dollars,
which is a record for a team. Until now McLaren
have been top at eight point one million. Interestingly enough,
originally when Emios came in with their slice of Mercedes,
they've had a couple of hundred million dollars. They give

(04:36):
you some sort of indication of where if one has
been going price wise over the last couple of years.
News of the world in ninety inflation in India, What
have we got zero point two five percent for October?
Is that good? Yes, it's cooler than expected, So they
think the RB might be moving on that, and weimo.
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(04:57):
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They're also expanding into San Jose. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
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Speaker 2 (05:10):
Evy day forty three of the shutdown vote this afternoon
or this evening their time, so it'll be sort of
on early afternoon maybe out. I mean they're waiting for
everyone to come back, and no one can get on
the plane because the place is shut down. Obviously, anyway,
point being, Republicans are very confident that they're going to
be able to get the numbers and therefore the Gun

(05:30):
Country will be back open. Fifteen past six meantime from
Sure and Partners, Andrew Keller had good morning, very good morning, Mite.
So main Freight bell Whether I saw a bit of
good news in there, didn't I?

Speaker 9 (05:43):
Yeah, I think there is.

Speaker 10 (05:43):
I mean, we haven't spoken about main Flight for a while,
have we, and it you know, it's still it still
is one of our true homegrown success stories.

Speaker 9 (05:51):
Global company, true long term vision, big part of local
share market. Look Mike.

Speaker 10 (05:56):
The share price has been under a bit of pressure recently.
They did a trading update in I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 9 (06:01):
It was late July.

Speaker 10 (06:02):
The market was a little disappointed in that update. Share
price dropped blow sixty bucks. You may recall when the
global sort of trade was humming or back in twenty
twenty one, it was above ninety bucks.

Speaker 9 (06:13):
We thought it might go to one hundred.

Speaker 10 (06:16):
It also suffered because of all the tariff talk around
Liberation Day. That sort of weighed on the valuation as well.
Yesterday they released their financial result for the six months
to the end of September. Now analysts were expecting a
soft result in Venice. It was a revenue though, was
up two point sixty one billion dollars, but versus the
same period last year that was up two point one percent.

(06:38):
The issue is around profit. Profit before tax was down
eighteen point three percent. Net profit was also down a
sort of similar magnitude, so that tax paid profit ninety
three point eight million.

Speaker 9 (06:49):
Margins look like they're under a little bit of pressure
volume growth.

Speaker 10 (06:52):
There are some hot there are some sort of pockets
of what looks pretty good there geographically Australasia. Australia a
lower level what they call one off project activity if
you're just for that, Australia actually traveling well.

Speaker 9 (07:05):
New Zealand in line with expectations.

Speaker 10 (07:07):
America's the America's Area hard Work posted a first half loss.
That's a tough environment. They did maintain shareholders will enjoy this.
They maintained the interim dividend of eighty five cents per share.
But I was listening Mike to Don Braid speaking yesterday.
He acknowledged it was a tough start to the half
year in the first quarter, but the second quarter improved. Yeah,

(07:29):
and I think the market, yes, they might really focused
on outlook that incremental improvement over the six month period,
so you sort of roll that forward and say things.

Speaker 9 (07:37):
Are going to get better.

Speaker 10 (07:39):
Braid said they're improving market share, feeling more positive.

Speaker 9 (07:42):
But I really took note of his comments on New Zealand, Mike.

Speaker 10 (07:45):
He said things are improving, and that follows a number
of New Zealand companies who've reported in the last few
weeks who've said the same thing and said established companies
are increasingly amount of freight. They expect overall trading to
continue to strength. And I'm going to go out on
a bit of a limp here because I'm not sure
all the analysts will agree with me, But I think

(08:05):
the risks.

Speaker 9 (08:06):
For somebody like main freight looking forward could be to
the upside.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Good our new concrete. Where are we.

Speaker 9 (08:11):
Ready mixed concrete?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I love this.

Speaker 9 (08:13):
I love this data.

Speaker 10 (08:14):
So in the September quarter, actual volume of ready mixed
concrete produced was nine hundred and twenty six thousand cubic meters. Now,
that is a six and a half percent drop from
the September quarter last year. Then if we sort of
broaden the lens, look at the numbers for the year,
we had three point sixty four million qubic meters of
ready mixed concrete. That's also down six point two percent

(08:37):
compared to the year ending septem and twenty twenty four.
On a seasonally adjusted basis, those September quarter did lift
from the June quarter. Look, I'm not enough of a
construction expert, Mike, to understand that you know what potential
adjustments you have to make.

Speaker 9 (08:52):
You know big projects.

Speaker 10 (08:53):
You've built a stadium, I suppose you get a big
surge in ready mix congrete. So the data could be skewed,
but a very broad At a high level, it does
suggest a big slow down the construction sector, doesn't it.
I mean six point two percent that's a big chunk
of business, of footings of you know, stuff that's not
being done. So we would like to see this improving,
wouldn't we.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
We would the vote. They're confident, so I assume the
market's going to be happy.

Speaker 9 (09:18):
Yeah, well they should be.

Speaker 10 (09:19):
I mean, if you look at historically when you've come
out of a shutdown, the US share markets tend to
go well. The only thing that I'm sort of a
little bit reticent about is the fact that the market
had done extremely well leading into the shutdown, So I'm
not sure we can sort of extrapolate exactly what's happened
historically this time. At the moment, sort of with the
market looking at the shutdown coming to an end, the

(09:40):
markets are sort of quite mixed over the night. The
Dow jones, I suppose more cyclical type stocks, that's up
three quarters of percent, but the Nasdaq is quite a
bit lower. What has reacted US ten year bonds they
are actually quite a bit lower and yield.

Speaker 9 (09:54):
And the expectation, of course.

Speaker 10 (09:55):
Now is that we get a lot of data come out,
all that sort of data that hasn't been put out
into the market. We get that out and it allows
the FED to make a decision to drop interest rates.
I think that's the speculation at the moment.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Will stand by for the numbers. What are the numbers?

Speaker 10 (10:08):
Well they are so that Dow Jones is up three
quarters percent, three hundred and sixty one points forty eight thousand,
two hundred and ninety three, The S and P five
hundred is barely changed. It's down eight points sixty eight
three eight, and the Nasdaq down points sixty six percent,
one hundred and fifty three points twenty three thousand, three
hundred and thirteen. The FOOTS one hundred up point one

(10:30):
two overnight nine nine one one, the Nicket up two
hundred and twenty points point four three percent, fifty one
thousand and sixty three. The Shanghai concept bang on four thousand,
that was down very small yesterday. The Aussie's lost point
two two percent eight seven nine nine. The closed there
the ends of NEX fifty up just under half a
percent thirteen thousand, six hundred and seventy one. Kiwi dollar

(10:52):
is actually a little improved overnight point five sixty sixty
two against the US point eight six five six oussie
point four eight eight Euro zero point four to three
one one, So slight improvement there against the pound. Eighty
seven point five to five. Japanese yen gold has rallied
four thousand, two hundred dollars US dollars announced, and.

Speaker 9 (11:09):
Brent crude has not rallied.

Speaker 10 (11:11):
It has fallen sixty two dollars and seventy seven cents.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'll take it. See you tomorrow. Andrew Kelliher's Sure and
Partners PASK Toyota announcement this morning. So production started on
their fourteen billion dollar battery plant in North Carolina, which
is their first battery plant outside of Japan. This will
please Trump, of course. And they've also confirmed this morning
investment of up to ten billion more than previously expected
over the next five years in the States. Meantime, for

(11:34):
our AI, who's spending what on AI? This morning? Anthropic
they're launching a fifty billion infrastructure buildout. This is Texas
and New York. Eight hundred jobs, two thousand construction. First
site's going live in twenty six and they're going to
compete with Open AIS one point four trillion dollar buildout.
Crazy numbers and crazy times six twenty one. You're a

(11:55):
news talk Sedbo.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
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Speaker 2 (12:04):
It'd be difficulty finding out how Elon's going to get
to his trillion dollars because Teesler put out their numbers
for China yesterday dropped to a three year low. Think
about China over a billion people, and he sold twenty
six thousand and six cars in October, lowest than three years.
In fact, sales are down thirty five and a half percent,
So he's gonna have to work out or do something different.
Soft Bank, by the way, they yesterday, if you follow

(12:26):
the markets, what's interesting about this? Even if you don't.
Soft Bank sold their entire invidious steak. They just got
out completely almost six billion dollars worth. The question raised
by many people was should you too? In other words,
did they sell because they know something's happening or going
to happen or about to pop?

Speaker 1 (12:46):
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House of Fragrances.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Rowan Atkinson's back. It's a series called Man v. Baby.
See what you think of this? I happen to watch
it yesterday. It looks like crap to me. Anyway. To
follow up to his twenty twenty two limited series Men VB,
where he was swapping his job as a luxury house
sitter to be a school caretaker.

Speaker 9 (13:09):
Hello, sorry about the sair. We're making inquiries about a
missing baby, a.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
Baby, a misplaced baby. What you mean, dad?

Speaker 9 (13:17):
What are you doing Trevor.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's a bit of a long story.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
Time for plan B.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
Hello, it's Trevor Bingley from House its Deluxe. We aren't
actually looking for a highly responsible individual with maturity right?

Speaker 9 (13:35):
Yes? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
How old is he?

Speaker 7 (13:43):
About? Three months?

Speaker 5 (13:45):
He's huge for three months?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well you should see his mother soon, Netflix, December eleven.
Speaking of crap, I watched I've read a very good review,
an interesting review yesterday of All's Fair, which is it's
got Glean close in it, but it's also got Kim Kardashian,
which is the problem. And so the moment it came out,

(14:10):
I was going to say it's on Disney or Apple.
I can never remember. What's it matter. Anyway, the moment
it came out, it got absolutely panned, and I thought,
and the review said, what you really need to watch
it for is the fashion and the architecture and the
money if you like the esthetic, and so I thought,
I know, I'll watch that so I did, and it
is crap. It's not as crap as they make it

(14:31):
out to be. It's reasonably crap, but it's not as crap.
I think that there a bit of tall poppy going
on there. But as far as a look is concerned,
if you love the look, it's phenomenal. It sort of
replaces just like that in terms of following fashion and
stuff like that. I mean, you're not going to follow
that advice. So I don't even know why I told you,
and I'm not going to be back for episode two.
By the way, this time yesterday we were talking about

(14:52):
these port charges going up the port. Were listening to that,
and they want a word with us after the break,
so we'll do that for you. Meantime. The new es
next here at us talk said.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
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Speaker 1 (15:03):
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Speaker 2 (15:15):
Weird a story in the world. There is a claim
this morning and investigation has been opened in Milan Italians
paid wealthy Italians paid to go and shoot people during
the Bosnia Herzegovina War. How is this possible. Catherine Field
were shortly twenty three minutes away from seven this time
yesterday transporting New Zealand. We're on the program outlining their

(15:37):
concerns around port access b SO peak time container bees,
as we've told you, will rise to freend fifty by
twenty twenty seven. Other side of the story, as they claimed,
turn times are down from thirty minutes to seventeen. Container
volumes are up seven percent. So is it working? Roger
Gray is the Port of Auckland CEO and is back
with us. Roger, good morning, Good morning, Mike. Now, the
container volumes being up, is that a sign of the

(16:00):
economy as much as it is a more efficient system?

Speaker 11 (16:04):
I think to sign it both, Mike. We've certainly seen
growth across the port, but I do feel that customers
are voting with their feet and they're prepared to pay
for the service they get.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Now, you can't well, do you. Their claim yesterday was
you put prices up, it's got to be passed on
and that's inflationary. I mean, that's true, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (16:24):
There's no doubt that any price increase within the supply
chain increases the direct cost at that point, but the
total cost of delivery and the speed to market is
what people are paying for, and they're prepared to pay
for quality service.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
So if they pay more and get a better service,
you say, people can live with it. Why do you
charge more simply because you can?

Speaker 11 (16:45):
No, we aren't in monopoly, which is the line A
lot of people like to say. We charge more for
two reasons. One, we think there's value for the service
we provide, and therefore we charge for that. Andon is
and I've spoken to you about this before, is we
want to make sure that the city and the rate
pays get a fair return for the one point six

(17:06):
billion they've got tied up in the port.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
When you say you're not a monopoly, you are, and
new aren't. I mean there's a difficulty around that, isn't there?
I mean the simple fact is that you're the main
play You're the player in Auckland. Yes, I can come
in through Taronga, but you know I may or may
not be able to or want to, or it may
be price prohibitive.

Speaker 11 (17:23):
Well, Mike, you know the Port of Tartong has been
a vicious competitor against us for over a decade, supported
by Kerri Out for a very long time, and we
saw hundreds of thousands of containers, particularly going in through Tartonger.
And what we've started to do is claw back what was,
in my view the market share that the Port of

(17:44):
Hawkings should have had.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Okay, so you're more competitive, you're more cost competitive, you're
a better business and people are happy with that. When
you listen to the transporting New Zealand people though, and
they want some sort of intervention and they've got a
genuine problem. What do you say to them?

Speaker 11 (17:57):
Well, first off, I've never met mister Colicy. He's never
bo to visit the port, even though we've invited him.
He sits in Wellington and likes to make commentary on
our business. But what I'd say to him is come
and understand the fact that productivity is improving. Come and
understand why the customers want to use us. We've held
customer town hall meetings for all of this week and

(18:18):
the resounding feedback on getting from our direct customers is
they're happy with the service and they're prepared to pay
for what they get.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Okay. Fun text Mike when talking to the Auckland Port's boss,
ask them why they charge the highest port charges in
the world for cruise ships. That's why Auckland is thirty
five percent down on cruise ship arrivals.

Speaker 10 (18:36):
True or not not true.

Speaker 11 (18:40):
Port of Sydney has just announced the visitor levy of
forty eight dollars. We're much lower than that at twenty
And there are a whole myriad of reasons why cruise
ships dropped off, ranging from government support through to buy foiling,
all issues that we've addressed. And we've already announced cruises
coming back. We've got winter cruising in twenty twenty seven,

(19:01):
and I think that we're certainly at the bottom of
the cycle.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Nice to talk to you, appreciate it. Roger Gray, who's
the Port of Auckland CEO with us this morning. Yeah,
let's get to Catherine and this Bosnia Herzegovina story. In
a moment In nineteen two, the.

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Speaker 2 (20:18):
Speaking of costs inflation, you know what's everything from your
cell phone to your laptop, to the roads you drive
on the homes you live in. Just about everything you
use on a daily basis starts from what that has
become more expensive, T and T. That's what I'm reading
yesterday things that go bo It's gone from fifty cents
a pound, this is American fifty cents a pound to

(20:40):
twenty dollars. Over twenty dollars a pound, you get everything
needs to be blown up at the very beginning of everything,
something needs to be blown up. And it's expensive to
blow stuff up. And if it's expensive to blow stuff up,
the end product becomes expensive. Why they should have T
and T the war six forty.

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Speaker 2 (21:02):
And Francis Morning Carera, How are you? I'm good, Thank you, Mike.
This Bosnia thing has there been around at all? I've
not heard anything. All of a sudden this morning in
Milan they're launching this investigation. Rich Italians going out shooting people.
What the hell's are going on?

Speaker 6 (21:16):
It will There have been allegations that get really right
back from when it actually happened during the Bosnian War.
Let's not forget that was nineteen ninety two to nineteen
ninety six, during the same siege of Sarajevo. There were
rumors about it, people sort of talked about it, But
now finally it seems that prosecutors in Milan say they

(21:36):
have got enough information to open an investigation into as
many as one hundred well they call them tourists, which
were Italians, German, French and British who paid up to
one hundred and sixty thousand New Zealand dollars to fly
to Belgrade and then be transported by Bosnian Serve army
to the hills surrounding Sarajevo so they could take part

(21:59):
more was known as a Sarajevo safari, So you'd be
up on the hell above Sarajovo and could shoot down
at the residents the civilians below who were running around
trying to make their way during this wartime. I mean,
you know, the geography of Sarajevo, Mike is such that
it's an a basin, It was surrounded by mountains, and

(22:20):
what the Bosnian Serbs did was they would have their
own troops and these so called sniper tourists who would
stay up above the hill and would just shoot down
into the population. The prosecutors say they do have names,
they will be following up these people. But really extraordinary
story and it would seemed that the man behind it

(22:41):
who knew all about it was, of course, the head
of the Bosnian Serb Army Redvan Carriage, who is currently
serving forty years prison given down by the Hague International
Criminal Court because he was found guilty of genocide.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
We've got a problem with timing. I would have thought
evidence and all that usual sort of stuff. But if
you find somebody who did, what on earth do you
charge them with?

Speaker 6 (23:02):
Ah, they are charged with voluntary murder aggravated by cruelty
and abject force.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
That's what it's known as.

Speaker 11 (23:14):
Murder.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
How is it possible that it's been ten years since
November thirteen?

Speaker 6 (23:21):
Hard to believe. It's not like I think it must
have been. It was such a powerful night. But yeah,
ten years Wednesday for those attacks across Paris, more than
one hundred and thirty people dead during a shooting rampage
across cafes and then a dance hall here in the capitol. Yeah,

(23:42):
it's going to be a day of remembrance. It's going
to be throughout the day. The President and the Mayor
of Paris will be visiting all those sites, all those
cafes where people were just sitting having a drink. At
the end of the day, and then at the end
of the day on Wednesday, there's going to be a
big ceremony at the Garden of Remembrance, which they've said
up near City Hall. Just thinking back on it, Mike,

(24:03):
you remember at the time, there was all this talk
about this was going to be a civil war, There's
going to be a mass revenge, this was going to
be targeting our Western way of life. Well, none of
that actually happened in the end. I think that's pretty
much what is also going to be remembered on Wednesday.
It's going to be the fact that this happened. There
wasn't a civil war, there were no large, stale revenge attacks.

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And yes there is still a problem in France, there
is still the risk of terror attacks, but there's not
actually been whole groups of people going out and seeking revenge.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
The g seven. By the way, foreign ministers, what did
anything come out of US?

Speaker 6 (24:41):
I think the big thing that's come out of it,
Mike is, of course you're worries about turbulence on trade
caused by the US government. I mean the general up
and down is that Trump is more focused on grievances
of a trade policies than actually collaborating with former friend.
But I think the biggest thing that came out was
the French Foreign minister, who, without naming names, said that

(25:03):
there is a yes, so you need to do something
about the global narcotics trade. But what he did say
was there is a deployment in the Caribbean that is dangerous.
There's a risk that this will lead to a conflict.
And he also said very pointedly what is going on
there in particular is a disregard for international law. Now

(25:25):
you might say, heck, what's France doing getting involved in this.
France has of course got territories in the Caribbean. They've
also got French Guiana, which is just south of Venezuela,
and of course the Venezuelans have warned that if the
US continues this build up, there is the risk of
a full blown conflict.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Appreciate your time as always. Catherine Fielder is in for
Joe this Thursday morning, of course in that broad part
of the world, and I'm looking for to getting up
talking to Rod. What makes the starm a thing different
is his mates were in the BBC yesterday saying if
anything happens, he's going to fight it. This is the coup,
so there's definitely something on where this streeting we mentioned
earlier in the program seems to be the hot money.

(26:02):
But Mahmoud shabanamah Moud, the Home Secretary, seems to be
a player. Luise Haig, who's the former Transport secretary, is
possibly a player. And so there really is something stirring
and they're sick of it and they're sick of him.
So we'll see if it comes to anything. The other
thing you sort of didn't know what to do with
today was they asked him, what are you going to
do about Trump of the billion dollars and the BBC?

(26:24):
Because Trump was on Fox yesterday going, look, I got
to I'm obligated to go and sue them. So I
don't know how they handled that or whether that's the
climacy or some arm twisting or somebody writes a check.
But that's another one that's yet to unfold as well.
But Rod later on nine to seven, so.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Mike costing breakfast with a Vita retirement communities news togs
had been that of.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Roger Gray pushed back, Mike, I'm a customer and they
would be up there with the worst port in the country.
We've got no other option due to the cost and
time with other portsold, charge you for just looking at
it contained to the guys full of it. We do
have a problem in this country at the moment with
successful businesses. I mean, yes, they're in a is it
a unique position? The same with Bang, same with the airports,
all that sort of thing. By the way, Aco Mike

(27:03):
Burgess yesterday gave what I regard as a deeply concerning
insight into China and then nefarious activities. I see no
reportage here because he specifically mentioned five eyes. Now, who
is a member of the five eyes? We are so
I'll come back to that. Five to seven.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Holy is and the else. It's the fiz with business
tiber take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
We had piece of so called research this morning from
a crowd called Go Get a Job, the recruitment company.
They've done a job mobility survey. It turns out a
quarter of us would change jobs and it meant a
pay rise of somewhere between six and ten percent. Six
percent of us would leave for a pay rise of
between one and five percent. I mean that just means
you're miserable if you're going somewhere for one percent. That's stupid.
The problem with the percentage is, of course, is percentages

(27:53):
of what I mean, if you earn three hundred thousand
dollars four percents a bit different to four percent to
sixty five thousand dollars, which is why they found those
earning the big man need six figures more likely to
leave for a smaller percentage. Obviously, thirty four percent earning
more than one hundred grand say yes to all move
are only nineteen percent of bows earning less than one
hundred grand said they would move for less than ten percent. Overall,

(28:15):
about a third thirty one said they change job changed
jobs for a pay rise of between eleven and twenty
when we all only six percent say they wouldn't quit
their job even if they were offered more money somewhere
else because they love it so much. Now pay doesn't
do it for you, And here we go four day
week might yeah, the old hybrid working. That's the most

(28:36):
important thing outside of money. Sitting on your ass at
home is really cool, way more important than career developments
or growth opportunities. Heaven forbid, we have any career development
when you can go make yourself another coffee in the kitchen,
working from home and doing a four day week. So
that's New Zealand Inc. Twenty twenty five Styles for you.

(28:58):
Brian Roch got a couple of problems on his handways,
a lot of problems on hands. He was getting rid
of some ministries last time I looked, and he's got
the industrial action for the nurses and the doctors and
the teachers and every other public servant in the country.
But in the ensuing period he's also got mixed skimming
and the former police commissioner to deal with. So so
what's happening next? How does he handle all of this?
He's with us after the news, which is next. You're

(29:21):
on the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
The newsmakers and the personalities, the big names talk to
Mike the mic Hosking Breakfast, were the defender embraced the
impossible news talks Dad be.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Seven past seven. So let's look at the employment side
of the mix skimming scandal. The independent report from the
Public Services Commission had to look at the reference and
probity checks used in employing him. Now, Sir Brian Roches,
of course the Public Service Commissioner and is with us.
Good morning to you, Good morning, Where would you some
how would you summarize what we've got to so far.

Speaker 13 (29:51):
I think we're in a really difficult position. We're in
the position where the public is asking very valid questions
about how did this happen. I think they see we've
got to respond and be seen to be really transparent.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
This isn't a criticism, but having had a look at
the report, it strikes me as one of those reports
that by and large nothing was wrong with the appointment,
but they've come up or drummed up a few new
ideas just so they can say, well, here we go,
we come up with us. Is that fair or not?

Speaker 13 (30:19):
I think it's a little unfair. I mean, they did
raise very valid points where we could improve. We embrace
those straight away. We've modified our whole practices now, and
you know, we're really confident that we would have detected
this had we had the right information from the right people.
The IPCA report clearly shows we didn't get everything we

(30:39):
legitimately expected right.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
But having said that, I mean, in each is this
specific to a certain senior level of public service appointment?
Because how forensic do you want to go? Where's the line?

Speaker 13 (30:51):
Well, this is very specific for the statutory deputy commissioners.
But we have also strengthened our primity checks on all employees.
It's fundamental to public confidence that they can trust the
people who occupy key positions, and in this situation we
could have done better. We acknowledge it, and we have

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done much better in the recent appointment.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Generally though, it was a solid process, wasn't it?

Speaker 12 (31:17):
It was? It was, But we're a learning organization.

Speaker 13 (31:20):
The whole public sector needs to continue to learn, modify
and innovate. This is a very good example. We live
in a really strange world where we can have people
with alternative lives as mister mc skimming had. He hid
that from everybody, including his family, his employer and us.
We have to avoid that.

Speaker 12 (31:38):
Again.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
The problem with mc skimming was he was, for reasons
best known to himself, active on you know, the company's computer.
If he's not, what do you do with that? I mean,
you know you've got a weirdo. But he's a weirdo
at home. Does that make him no good at the job?

Speaker 12 (31:55):
It raises questions on character.

Speaker 13 (31:58):
If people have that sort of behavior as part of
their normal life, that raises questions on my mind, And
I think in the questions in the minds of many others.
We have to avoid that to the best of our ability.
I'm interested that FDI, for instance, have light detectors. I'm
not suggesting that, but that is the level of forensic inquiry.

Speaker 12 (32:17):
That's required for certain.

Speaker 13 (32:18):
People who hold positions in public office.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Flip side of that is a recruitment issue, isn't it.
Potentially it is.

Speaker 13 (32:25):
It is because people are saying, well, you know, where's
the boundary between.

Speaker 12 (32:28):
My private life?

Speaker 13 (32:30):
Fully respect that, but we need to make people really clear.
The obligation is on them to keep us informed when
there are issues that we need to know about.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
There's sort of three things here, correct me if I'm wrong.
There's his online activity which has a legal implication, his
relationship activity which is not illegal. And I don't know
what you call it, the cost or aspect of it
where we're all mates and we look after each other.
I mean, is that fair?

Speaker 13 (33:00):
It is fair, And I've got to work through all
of those. It's a matter of public record.

Speaker 12 (33:05):
I'm in an employment.

Speaker 13 (33:06):
Process with Andy Coster at the moment. I want to
get through that as quickly as I can, but I
am bound by a legal process and my obligations as
a good employer.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
So how many questions should I ask you on cost?
And you're going to say I can't say anything.

Speaker 13 (33:21):
That probably covers it, and I know that it's frustrating,
but I Am not going to create a technical foul.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Can I ask you as a general concept, because I'm
this is a genuine question that I'm interested in. If
you are in a job and you've done nothing wrong
in your new job, can you exit a person with
them having done something poorly in a previous job?

Speaker 13 (33:46):
I think the issue is if the information had been
available to you at the time of the appointment, would
it have been relevant? And that's at the heart of
this matter.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
And is that legal? Is that a legal thing that
you can pin specifically on and say legal, We're in
the right here or not? We don't know that. Are
we making this up as we go along?

Speaker 12 (34:05):
That's sort of part of the process that I'm unable
to comment on.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I'm sorry, Okay, if he walks with a check, how
does that play? Do you reckon?

Speaker 12 (34:14):
I think that would be very challenging.

Speaker 13 (34:16):
That we are getting into the detail of the process
that I'm still locked into. And I know it's frustrating
that I really just can't comment on that.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
No, I'm just trying to anticipate what's going to happen
because I'm just I genuinely can't work out why a
person who hasn't done anything wrong in his new job
would be exited without a check given who is employment
has done nothing wrong.

Speaker 13 (34:38):
That's an opinion which I understand. There is a lot
of other opinion that suggests otherwise based on the messaging.

Speaker 12 (34:45):
That I'm getting from the public.

Speaker 13 (34:47):
Right, So I'll just navigate my way through that. I'll
do it as quickly as I can, and a little
bit it will withstand third party scrutinally, that is the
test for me.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
What's the timeframe on all this?

Speaker 13 (34:57):
Roughly, I think it needs to be done as soon
as practicable. It's not in anyone's interest for this to
be hanging. It's uncertainty. I value certainty, and so I
will be giving it my absolute highest priority to get
this done.

Speaker 12 (35:12):
And then I'm happy to talk further with you.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
You're an experienced operator. Have you got theory as to
what it is about cops that we've been here before
and we may well be here again.

Speaker 13 (35:22):
What happens, well, I think the actions that have been
announced to bring in sort of an inspector general.

Speaker 12 (35:28):
Type thing are critical.

Speaker 13 (35:30):
This is sort of the second time in my career
that this has happened.

Speaker 12 (35:33):
It's not the third.

Speaker 13 (35:35):
The police are one of the most important institutions of
the state that they have to be above approach.

Speaker 12 (35:41):
This report highlights that they aren't.

Speaker 13 (35:43):
I think that's to the detriment of all the serving
officers who every day are giving their best for the country.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Exactly well, so appreciated very much to Brian Rods, who's
the road who's the Public Service Commissioner?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
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Speaker 2 (36:01):
That'd be tell you what looking forward to talking to
Simon Brown Shortley. It's a couple of idiotic things. One
of this three month script thing that's been transferred to
twelve months apart from the pharmacist and the doctor missing
out on script fees. Of course, I think this might
have been an admitting thing the whole way along, but anyway,
they've changed the law on that as of yesterday. And
the other thing, you r, I realized we didn't have
medical conferences in this country in case the medical conference

(36:23):
talked about certain pills and potions that we didn't have
in the country, and so they were so sort of
suspicious of this activity that we missed out. Lord knows
how many millions of dollars in conferences, And all of
a sudden, because we're changing the law, conferences are lining
up left, right and center. So they've fixed a problem.
Strange a anyway, more shortly, seventeen pasts now positive news
in what really is that this water care scandal north

(36:44):
of Auckland, If you haven't followed, it is a disgrace.
So the Auckland, the oyster farmers have had their water
polluted and basically their business is destroyed. Finally, we've got
to a million dollars in compo. The million dollars is
being split among ten people, so it's on hundred thousand
dollars apiece. Tom Walters is the owner of metakana Or
And as with us, Tom, Morning, Morning, Mike. Are we
feeling better because of this?

Speaker 14 (37:05):
We're feeling relieved, and it's only a start that relief.
More than it's better.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
If they could write a check to fix your problem
because of the issues they've created for you. What size
would that check be.

Speaker 14 (37:20):
Much larger than what we've received. But this is just
for the event that happened two weeks ago. It's not
for what's happened throughout.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
The year, which is the interesting thing. Just to bring
the rest of the country up to speed. What happened
the other day there was a power surgeon. It was
a cockup, and they know it's a cock up, and
everyone knows it's their faults. So they're fixing that. But
the ongoing thing that got us here in the first place,
their ongoing spill, it is different because it wasn't a cockup.
It was just they don't have the equipment or it's
old or whatever. So does that part get resolved at

(37:48):
all or not?

Speaker 14 (37:49):
That part is still unresolved. And this is only for
this still a couple of weeks ago, which was a
dry weather event, not a wet weather event.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, So is it their fault in a wet weather
event that they don't have the things that prevent it
from spilling into the water and ruining your business or not?

Speaker 14 (38:07):
They don't think so. In that regard. It's more a
factor of growth and infrastructure not catching up to that growth.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, they say that they'll get there. Don't they with
infrastructure Eventually and there is a fix in the pipeline,
no pun intended.

Speaker 14 (38:22):
Yeah, eventually end of next year or the year after,
everything should be aoka and ready to go for the area.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
So does that sign of the equation ever get fixed?
Do you think? Or are you going to be banging
your head against a wall? And this is just a
one off because of the power surge.

Speaker 14 (38:37):
This is a one off because of the power surge,
and we will be experiencing more wet weather sewage events
until the bigger pipe goes through, Walkware.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Does anyone care about this? Is anyone on your side?

Speaker 14 (38:48):
I mean obviously locals, absolutely absolutely, there's a lot of community.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Of course, of course the community is behind you, Tom,
but I'm talking about anyone with any you know, the
government wins.

Speaker 14 (39:01):
Yeah, We've had a lot of support from the Undersecretary
of Oceans and Fisheries Jimmy Marcroft. We've had meetings with
Shane Jones, governmental wives that they're trying to do the
best they can to put pressure upon water Care and
Auckland Council. There seems to be a lot of things
that are happening, but it just takes a lot of time,

(39:23):
But yeah, it's an ongoing thing for the wet weather events.
This one's different.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Are water care bastards or are they just people who
don't have the equipment?

Speaker 14 (39:34):
Well, I mean they are playing catch up due to
the growth and infrastructure that applicts our area and country
in general. Not that their country wide, but they have
certainly vexed us this year. But in this regards we
are at least have come on the front foot and
helped us and said they would. And it's only a start.

(39:56):
There'll be a lot of setter. They will cont by
our losses going forward. See what more they can do
due to this spill.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Well, all we can do is wish you the best time.
I feel bad for you Tom Walters, who's one of
a number of oyster farmers in that particular part of
the world who's just literally every time it rains because
the infrastructure doesn't cope, watches the water polluted and the
oyster is a dead in council. And that's the end
of that. Seven twenty one.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
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Speaker 2 (40:29):
It is seven twenty three John Grisham by the way
back with us after write a clock looking forward to
their ketch up by the way, in America at the moment,
so there's a lot of talk about the K, the
K shaped economy, right. Car dealers are seeing it. If
you've got a good, safe job, good income, you're in
the market's investing in AI before it all pops. Of course,
you're feeling good. You're up, Yeah, you're up. Well, you're
the up part of the K. So you're buying a

(40:51):
flesh new car with carbon ad ons and all that
sort of stuff. Now, if you've been laid off, we're
about to be by a robot. You hate II AI
are because you never ended enough to buy stock in
the first place, and your snap payment hasn't come through
because of the shutdown. You're holding onto your car, not
to mention sweating making ends meet. You're the downward part
of the K. You see what I'm saying here. So
it looks like we may have a similar story here

(41:12):
in this country because the recruiters, Robert Walters are already
warning of the increased cost of labor in the recovery.
Our recovery are because people with the skills that are
going to be in demand, they can charge more. Why
are because we're shorter of them. Why are because the
others in Australia. So in ideal times, as an economy recovers,
you hoover up those who have lost their jobs when

(41:32):
the times were tight. So this time, anyone who was
marketable left the country, and what we have, sadly, are
a group of people who, it would appear or not
available to take part as growth returns. I mean, yes,
there are plenty of unemployed five point three percent, not
to mention a growing number of the so called underutilized.
But as far as skills go, that's where we have
an issue. Not everywhere and not everyone, of course, but

(41:53):
it is becoming increasingly obvious that there are too many underskilled,
underqualified people in this country. And that is, sadly what
eventuates when you have a system that spits kids out
at fifteen or sixteen or seventeen without a pathway to success.
When times are good, any number of people get swept
up for bits and pieces type jobs. Lots of employers
can afford to fork out on those sort of jobs,
but they're the first to go, of course, and when

(42:14):
the rest of the talent bails, the ones without the
skills aren't the ones to fill the growth areas. Hence,
we will once again rely on imported labor, which this
time around may or may not be available to us,
depending on whether they still see us as a cool
place to be. If they don't, numbers would suggest they aren't.
That weighs on recovery and the speed of which we
pick up. Robert Walter seems to suggest this is going

(42:37):
to be an issue. But for those who stayed, and
if you've got the skills, you'll be in a new
car before you know it. Asking like, surely the level
of dishonesty in obtaining the new job would come into
play well to play Devil's advocate. What dishonesty? What are
you talking about? So my understanding is Coster doesn't think
he's done anything wrong. He simply believed mc skimming. When

(42:58):
MC skimming said there's nothing to see here, Cost believed them.
So that's not dishonest. That's just a misinterpretation of what
was going on. Now, you can go down the rabbit
hole of the investigation the way they treated the woman
until you blew in the face. But nevertheless, if you
don't believe you've done anything wrong and you apply for
your new job, and you get a new job and
you've done nothing wrong in your new job, how do
they exit you without a check? And that is where

(43:21):
lawyers come And Mike, you're always saying that people who
work from home are taking the mickey. I had a
role that required me to work from home, and the
reality is you're always at work and you work more,
not less. Modern open plan workspaces are also terrible for productivity,
as they're noisy and full of distractions. On that clear
you're right, And most of the time when I talk
about working from home, I'm taking the mickey. Don't take
me seriously. Half of what I say these days is

(43:42):
sort of, you know, made up on the spot, just
to rack you up. I mean, I work from home
most days for goodness sake. I go home and do
a lot of work from home. So whataway I know?
And I do the hot desking thing. If I could
change the world, I would ban first thing when I
run the country. And don't think that's far away. When
I run the country, the first thing I'm going to
ban a isshgh disking. It's going to be my first
piece of legislation. There will be no more hot desking.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Is this you announcing the mic Hosking Hot Death Party
for next year's election.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
It's early days, Glenn. You don't want to pick too soon.
You don't want to fizz people up too soon before
the campaign. Stand by in April or May. That could
be an announcement coming. You never know, Simming and Brown
Health Minister, some good new law to tell you about
in just a couple of moments after the news.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
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Speaker 2 (44:34):
John christ Back eight o'clock Betty will have a bit
of wine chat before eight meantime at twenty three minutes
away from it to the Health Department where the law
allowing faster approval of medicines by far makers passed. Also
twelve months scripts will become a thing as off February
the farmac law and by the way, also allows medical
conferences to advertise yet to be approved medicines. That was

(44:54):
the weirdest thing ever anyway, Simmy and Brown is the
Health Minister and with us morning, good morning conference thing.
How was that ever? A thing.

Speaker 15 (45:03):
Oh look, it's a very weird piece of legislation. When
we found out about it, we asked the officials whether
they heard of Google and whether or not some doctors
might use Google to actually work out what drugs might
be available in other countries. And of course it made
absolutely no sense that medical conferences were not able to
advertise non approved medicines. And so we've changed the law.

(45:25):
David Seymour and I worked together. We've changed the law
and now we've got medical conferences coming to New Zealand
which otherwise would have been in Australia, which is fantastic
for our economy.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
So that's sort of a tourism move, isn't it, Because
conferences didn't come because of that very rule. I mean,
what do you reckon we've missed out on over the years.
It must be tens of millions of dollars.

Speaker 15 (45:43):
Oh, it would be tens of millions of dollars. I
mean two conferences next year, three three hundred people combined
are coming to New Zealand, which is fantastic for Auckland,
fantastic for New Zealand. But if you add that up
over many years, that would be you know, thousands less
thousands of fewer visitors coming to New Zealand spending money
in hotels and restaurants and accommodation and lo and behold,

(46:04):
it's all because they they weren't able to advertise medicines
which may be approved in other countries. And as I said,
Google is available free.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Of charge to everybody. It's nuts the far maake approval thing.
So in other words, if it's approved in one of
our close jurisdictions, we can do it here. That's another
I mean, I'm not pissing in your pocket to put
it bluntly, but I mean that's another painfully obvious thing,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (46:28):
Absolutely, And again so we're working with David Seymour and
this is part of our coalition agreement to make sure
that we could literally speed up the approval of these
of drugs. So we do it for cars, so you know,
if a car is approved in a different jurisdiction, we
allow that car to be recognized here in New Zealand.
We don't go into a complete safety check all over.

Speaker 12 (46:49):
Again.

Speaker 15 (46:50):
You know, it's about the same with medicine. So if
it's improved and a comparable jurisdiction or two other comparable jurisdictions.
It can then be approved in the thirty days by
med Safe here in US UK. So it's about making
medicines more available to New Zealanders faster, which is what
we want.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
What was their pushback argument, What was it? They were
arguing that we're so special, so unique, so different, they
needed to do their own investigation.

Speaker 15 (47:14):
Well, I think it's partially that, you know, these laws
haven't been looked at for a long period of time,
so they'll put back it. They'll put in place in
a period of time when these approval processes weren't or
the information shearing may not have been as easy. But ultimately,
you know, through COVID, we saw how this really slowed
down approvals for critical medicines. You know, we campaigned on

(47:37):
that at the last election part of our coalition agreement.
We've now delivered it.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Okay, the twelve month script. How much of this has
always been about I mean, the doctor would argue, well,
on you never know, you might be growing another leg.
But how much of it's really about the admin fee
for the pharmacist and the script fee for the doctor.

Speaker 15 (47:52):
Well, I think I mean, ultimately this will save patients
up to one hundred and five dollars a year by
doctors being able to make up twelve months prescriptions, it
will still be the doctor's discretion, so depending on the
condition of the patient. But if think about long term
conditions such as asthma and other managing diabetes, other things
which patients are having to go back every three months

(48:14):
to their GP, that will free up time with the GP.
They're able to then see other patients during that time.
So ultimately it's about putting patients first, making it easier
for them to get the medicines they need, and ultimately,
if they've got more access to medicines, we keep people
healthy in the community and not turning up to a hospital.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
How much pushback have you had from the pharmacists and
the doctors who aren't getting them money because they're not
writing scripts anymore.

Speaker 15 (48:38):
I mean, I think there's a variety of views in
both of those sectors in terms of their their view.
I think the reality is that our doctors are in
an enormous amount of pressure and a lot of they're
incredibly busy. We know how long it takes people to
get appointments, which is a big issue that we're addressing.
But ultimately, this will free up the ability for them

(48:58):
to see other patients.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
So I had Brian Roschan before and I didn't ask
him because I didn't have time. Where are we at
with the industry election?

Speaker 15 (49:08):
So negotiations are ongoing, So there.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Are negotiations, active negotiations. People are around the table.

Speaker 15 (49:14):
There are negotiations underway between the government and the unions
in terms of the senior doctors. That is before I
think the employment courts due to the fact that Health
New Zealand has applied to fix the terms of that agreement.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Okay, nice to talk, preciate it very much, Symy and
Brown Health Minister. Does any of that that you've just heard,
whether you were aware of it or not, just explain
to me. I mean, none of that's going to save
them if they're going to have trouble next year in
the election. Now you're not changing a bout because of that,
But is that not just good basic common sense. They've

(49:50):
rectified a problem that really should have been rectified. Does
anyone actually disagree with any of what you just heard?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Eighteen to two The Vike asking Breakfast Fulls show those
podcast on iHeartRadio Power by the News Talks It be.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Seven forty five Mike caring for the no brainer argument
to the fast track pharmaceutical approvals of two other like
minded countries except use and use them. Could a similar
approach be taken to recognizing foreign qualifications? I suspect we
have a lot of well qualified uber drivers administrative syy.
What an excellent point, What a fantastic point, My great
hope one day. It probably won't be this year. But
we're loosely involved in a situation at the moment. It

(50:27):
involves a person who was going to come to the country,
very highly qualified person, very valued person who was going
to come to the country, but now isn't because of
ridiculous laws and the council involved in this particular area
being a bunch of pratts, And we've got several people
onto it, and it may or may not resolve itself.
If it does, I'll be able to tell you about it.
But that's it's exactly that sort of scenario. We're highly

(50:50):
qualified people turn up in the country, but because there's
a bunch of old fashioned people sitting on a committee
somewhere going, oh, it's not long we do it here.
You're we're special. You'll need to completely reach anyway, I'll
come back to that hopefully another day, another time. More
importantly for now is my favorite ACO director in the world,
Mike Burgess. So he's the spy of BOSS in Australia.
The reason I like him, and I mentioned at Steve

(51:11):
Price the other day, is he seems to be of
a mind to tell people what's going on. We are
sort of that way these days, but we haven't always been.
So the Sis, which do the same thing as ACO here,
they I don't know what was a decade or so back.
Suddenly they woke up one morning and decided to be
slightly more public than they used to be. But they're

(51:31):
nowhere near as public as Burgess is. So Burgess is
out there. Yesterday he warned a nation state, which implies
China has made multiple sophisticated attempts to hack critical infrastructure
across five as countries, Which is why I raise it
with you. We are one of the Firebeyes countries. I
ask you, where's the coverage of the story. Why have
you not seen this anywhere in this country apart from here.

(51:54):
This reconnaissance aggressively maps systems to maintain persistent, undetected access
for potential sabotage at a time of their choosing. I've
previously said we're getting closer to the threshold for high
impact sabotage. I agret to reform you. Where they are
now and when they've penetrated your networks, they actively and

(52:18):
aggressively map your systems and seek to maintain persistent, undetected
access that enables them to conduct sabotage at a time
and moment of their choosing. Now, given we're a five
eyes country and he's warning us of this, two things
for you. One, obviously, the first question I've just asked,
where is this in the media? Why isn't it being covered?

Speaker 12 (52:39):
Two?

Speaker 2 (52:40):
How is it the head of ACO in Australia is
happy to turn up and tell the world about this.
Where's Hampton? Who's the head of the sis? Does he
disagree with Burgess or of Burgess's Why isn't Hapton going? Yeah,
he's right and we should all be concerned. Where is he?
Where's he? Whar's the sis? Where's the media in the story?
Or as I suspect, like so many things in this country,

(53:03):
are we all fast asleep and we don't really care
about this until it's all too late. Eleven away from eight, the.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Defender and news Togs Dead b.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Don Grisham a few moments away, nine minutes away from it,
got a new promotional vehicle for our rockstar wine. This
is Serving on twenty twenty seven. It's going to celebrate
the innovation and diversity of our most iconic wine. Global
industry leaders are coming. We've got trade influencers going to
hit Marlborough. This is February of next year. Natalie Christiansen,
is this saving Blanc or the serving you on twenty
twenty seven? Chair? And as with us, Natalie.

Speaker 16 (53:34):
Morning, Good morning, Mike, how are you?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I'm extremely well what brought this about? Because I would
have thought of if something doesn't need promotion because it's
already so successful, it would be serving you on Blanc.

Speaker 16 (53:45):
Well, we love celebrating it. And yes, obviously a very
popular global wine that there's lots to talk about, and
we want to get that word spread far and white,
and do when you.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Say there's lots to talk about, what is there to
talk about? It's good, it's crisp, it's available worldwide, it's
an award winning global rock star. What else can you
tell me, well, I.

Speaker 16 (54:08):
Think there's a lot more depth to Sauvignon that a
lot of people don't know about. So yeah, we want
to really share like the subregional story and the different
characters of Sauvignon that you can get from different parts
of New Zealand. And we'll be yeah, bringing over tea
trade and influencers to really sort of talk about the
interceptions out in the world.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
When you say the influencers, are these a TikTok seventeen
year olds or are these proper wine officionados, Well.

Speaker 16 (54:34):
Actually we're going to engage in a mix of both.
So we would definitely have traditional wine media out, but
we also want to engage in the in the younger generation.
So I don't know if you guys follow man can
cut to New Zealand. So he is currently up for

(54:55):
New don Creator of the Year. But people like that
we're talking to too, so people have got global reach,
you know, talking to different audiences because we just don't
want global media. We just don't want to be sort
of in a talking in a little shoe box like
we want to talk to the world. So yeah, we
want to engage in all sorts of all sorts of media.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Where are we at? Are we at the point where
we're looking to take talk to the wine drinker and
go don't forget New Zealand because part of the issue
is globally, alcohol sales are down, aren't they at least
some of the world has moved on in a way.
Are no longer drinkers?

Speaker 16 (55:30):
Yes, that's correct. But in saying that, so, last year
New Zealand wine experts were actually up by five percent.
So we seem to be in a lucky position, especially
with sauvignon blanc, because globally wine is down consumption, but
when people are drinking, they are drinking crisper bright white.
So it's for now we're in a good position. But

(55:52):
we want to maintain that.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Well, what that's about is quality. Of course, people there
will always be a market, Natalie for quality. Want their
quantity is one thing, but quality cannot be quality, can you?

Speaker 16 (56:02):
That's true, very very very true.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yes, which is what And also I would argue, correct
me if I'm wrong, but I would argue if you
if you're talking about just pure dollars for a glass
of wine, there'd be no other grape. I'm just trying
to think there'll be no other grape that's bang for
buck as good as Servingyonka is there. I mean, you'd
pay way more for a good glass of red versus the.

Speaker 16 (56:20):
Serving Young That's totally true. So Servanion Blanc definitely delivers
above above its or punches above its weight. It's a
variety that's so expressive and is incredibly good value for money.
And saying that, yeah, I think there is room for
some sort of higher price points, like we're Servon Blonk

(56:43):
is really sort of selling well as in sort of
the higher tiers. There's definitely growth in that kind of
higher price point tier. So wines that have got a
story of tua so single site locations, some may have
some alternative wine making message, so a little bit of
barrel cement. So there's definitely a movement in that top
space and that sort of high price point bracket too.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Super exciting. Natalie go Well in February appreciate it very much.
So that's sewing On twenty twenty seven in Marlborough and
when they took it there also, I'm glad they're including
places like Hawksbay because the hawks Bay Servinyon. Of course,
if you've drunk it is completely different from a Marlborough
serving on blancs So that tuwa is an interesting story
four minutes away from eight asking the pole aren't yesterday?

Speaker 7 (57:25):
Now?

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Am I being picky here? But the coverage of the
pole that came out yesterday, this is the Taxpayers Union
career pole. If you miss the numbers, Labors up a
little bit, Nationals up a little bit, but that came
at the expense for labor of the Greens who fell
New Zealand first fell, So you know, in other words,
who is there a change of government?

Speaker 6 (57:42):
Know?

Speaker 2 (57:43):
So nothing actually happened. And I would argue when I
look at these career poles, I don't know what their
methodology is, but I see them going up and down
too much on any given month. If you look at
a party like the Greens at nine percent, there's no
way in the world you can tell me they've lost
three I mean, that's a third of their support gone.
It just doesn't work. I just don't believe the numbers.

(58:03):
But the point was in the coverage is is that
they link it or tried to link it. Labour's increased
to the capital gains tax. Now as far as I know,
correct me. If I'm wrong. There was nothing in the
poll that suggests do you support labor now because of
the capital gains tax announcement? No question was asked. I
just saw labor going up. So they've taken two dots
and joined them together. And I don't think that's fair

(58:26):
and I don't think it's accurate. You don't know that
labor went up because of the capital gains tax. They
might just have gone up because the poll last time
was wrong and it's corrected itself. And unless you ask
a question specifically about a policy, you can't correlate the
policy to the overall number.

Speaker 11 (58:40):
Can you?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Or is that me and the weeds being weird again?
John Grisham, It'll be different when I launched my political party.
John Grisham is back on the program. In a couple
of moments here at News Talks, there'd been news this.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Next thing, asking the questions others won't the mic asking
breakfast with a Vita, Retirement Communities, Life your Way News.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
It is seven pass right time for a catch up
with one of our old mates. John Grishap was last
we us on a project where he helped people wrongly
convicted that you may remember. Now he's back in the
world of fiction, and another first day's in the business,
this time of ab Who've done it? This is the Widow.
It's out now and John Grisham is well us morning.
Happy to be here mate, good to seeing you again,
and to you too. And I don't want to make

(59:25):
it too personal, but last time we talked, you were
heading towards a big birthday and you said, well, maybe
it'll happen, maybe it won't. My wife will put it
on old turn up. Whatever. Did anything happen?

Speaker 7 (59:35):
No, we had a fancy dinner with about twenty friends
and it was low key and most folks behaved and
we had good food and good wine. So I turned seventy.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Well, what more can you ask in life? Are you
grateful in moments like that? Given all your success?

Speaker 7 (59:49):
I'm grateful every day. Every day is another blessing. You're
lucky to be here. You know, when you turn seventy,
you realize you're getting older, but you also sadly realize
you're losing so many people along the way, and just
thankful for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Man today, Yeah, but you look healthy and well well,
so far, so good.

Speaker 12 (01:00:07):
So do you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Tell me about the widow? And so I was watching
one of the interviews you did on the American networks.
I didn't realize this. You start at the end. Is
that how it works? You've got your conclusion before you
go back.

Speaker 7 (01:00:19):
Almost always. I learned the hard ware years ago with
a book. Asked my first novel, I wasn't sure how
to end the book, and so you keep writing and
you can't get to the end, and you box yourself
on a corner. And writers do it all the time.
I said, I'm not going to waste time like that.
I'm going to know the ending when I start. And
if you know the ending is hard to get lost.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Okay, So you had an ending and you wrote the story,
but then your wife comes in, your publishers coming. I
also saw, now i've heard two stories here. You had
an ending you liked, but then your wife said you
didn't like it. But then I saw you say I
had an ending I wasn't too sure about, and my
wife said she didn't like it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:55):
I'm not sure how much I liked it. Was it
was risky times. I've done endings that are pretty risky
and it's not what the reader expects, which I kind
of like. But it's you know this one was just
it just didn't work. And my wife said, hey, buddy,
this is not gonna work. And I listened to her.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Okay, times, do you listen to her because she knows
what she's talking about, or she's always right, or you
need some sort of second opinion from the publisher or.

Speaker 7 (01:01:21):
I would never say she's always right. You can't do
it in a happy marriage. You can you can never
admit that the other person's always right. She's usually right right.
And so she didn't like the ending. I sent it
to my publisher and to my editor in New York
and they agreed and it went. All three of them
line up against me. I can't argue, so I just
changed the ending. I kept writing. I wrote twenty five
thousand more words in the month of January under the

(01:01:42):
gun to get it finished, and it worked out fine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
So okay, so two parts out of that when somebody said,
given who you are, I don't like that, is that
is that popping an ego?

Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
No, I still listen to people. I think it's important
to listen to people you trust. I don't care where
you are in life. You never get too big to
where you you don't listen to people you trust. And
I've always listened to my wife and my agent and
my editor and several times, not just this, but a
lot of things, uh, a lot of stories. I write
a lot of op ed pieces, a lot of magazine articles,

(01:02:15):
and my wife always reads them first, and she always
has comments. But you know, I value that input. And
I tell young writers you got to have somebody. You
gotta have a reader you trust, somebody who loves you
and wants to see you succeed, but he'll be brutally
honest with you. You got to have that in life.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
And the second part of that question, when they said it,
did you see it or did it take some time?

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
You know what I got? I got. I was under
the gun, which is good when you write suspense. It's
it's best to be under the gun, to be to
be nervous, to be to be working over time. And
I had I had an idea for good ending, an
the second ending. It worked out much better.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Right, And so as you would write, did it flow
twenty five thousand words? Did it just flow big time?

Speaker 9 (01:02:59):
It was real.

Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
That's a very fast paced. Twenty five thousand words in
one month is a lot. But it was January, you know,
the days are short, the weather's bad. January is my
favorite time to write, Yeah, because you know you can't
do anything out ofdoors January February, and so I start
a new book each year. Almost every year, I started
a book on January the first, with the goal of

(01:03:20):
finishing by July the first, because of those first three
months are great times to write.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Talk to me about books these days. Do you know
who your audiences? Has it changed over the years? What
a sales like? Is it hardback? Is it soft back?
Is it electronic? Is the whole book market being up ended?

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
Oh? Great question, Mike, laugh and tell people I sold
twice as many books before the internet, back in the
nineteen nineties because, truthfully, because there were so many more
bookstores and there were so many more outlets, and that's
hurt publishing. But what's helped what's help publishing? Save publishing?
Or ebooks Because they're so popular and they're so inexpensive

(01:03:58):
to make in market, no returns, there's no shipping, no warehousing.
Publishers love them. We fight with publishers over the royalties,
but we fight publishers over everything. That's part of that
part of our profession. But e books have really been
to salvation for popular fiction. Yeah, it's all changed. It's
all changed. The mass market's disappearing. I've sold zillions of

(01:04:19):
mass market books and airports and bookstores and that's They're
about to be a thing of the past. But you know,
audio is huge now and e books are huge and
hard My sales are roughly one third hardbacks, one third
e books, and one third paperbacks. And that was unheard
of fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
That's amazing. Who do you write for the same people?

Speaker 7 (01:04:41):
I write for myself because I know what has worked,
I know what I like, I know I know the
stories I want to tell, and so far those are
the stories people want to read. And after fifty books,
I feel very lucky to have so many faithful, loyal readers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Still is in a joint each January.

Speaker 7 (01:05:03):
Oh yeah, I can't wait. It's just so much fun.
I have all these I have all these stories I
want to write about. When when you when you watch
lawyers and judges and courts and trials and appeals and
things like, the material is endless, The crime is endless.
Especially in this country, civil disputes are endless. We're very
little litigious people. We love to file lawsuits and hire lawyers,

(01:05:24):
and the and the stories go on forever. I can
write a thousand stories.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Are you getting a better.

Speaker 9 (01:05:34):
Boy? I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:05:34):
That's a tough one to you can't answer that I
have not. I have not deliberately changed the writing style.
I changed from the first book, A Time to Kill
to the Firm the second book because the first book
was a very heavy, tense book and way too long,
and it didn't sell initially, and uh, I went for

(01:05:55):
something more accessible, more more popular, more readable. I wanted
a vast audience. I want a bigger audience. And then
so I'm still there. I still really I'm very much
aware of of people out there who read the books.
I want them to be satisfied. I want them to
lose sleep, call in late for work, skip lunch, whatever,
and to read the book. That's what I want the

(01:06:17):
page you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
To turn, all right, fair enough? I can believe that. Listen, Hey, John,
I got a text already. I've just finished reading The Widow.
It's a great read. Lots of read lots of your books.
This was one of the best, in my opinion. Great characters.
There you go, John Grisham more in a moment fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
The Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeart Radio
how It by News Talk Hippy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
He talks it me seventeen past day. John Grisham is back,
Witherson joining the catch up Now listen. We talked previously,
and I think I'm right saying you're not overly involved
in the television side of the equation. Right once you've
done your book. Somebody options that that's you out am.
I correct in saying that, yes, okay, so, but I
read Jason Bateman and Tom Holland are going to do
the partner. I mean, does that make any difference to you?
I mean, I happen to be a big Jason Bateman fan,

(01:06:58):
so i'd be if I was you, I'd going, oh,
my lord, Jason Bateman, how cool is this?

Speaker 7 (01:07:03):
Well, I'm a big fan of both of them. But
with film and TV, you don't believe anything anything until
they start filming. Well, I've had so many deals blow
up at the last moment. When they start filming, they're
spending big money and that's when something's going to happen.
So until they start filming the partner, I won't believe it.
I'm happy about it, hope it's good. I don't get involved.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Do you write for the television in any white shape
or film in any way, shape or form, or it
just happens to be that way, you know, it.

Speaker 7 (01:07:32):
Just happens to be that way. I write a very
simple style, one scene after the other, without a whole
lot of backfieling or flashbacking or stuff. It's a very
simple direct style that has always appeal to filmmakers because
they're easy to adapt.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
And so even though you don't involve yourself, does it
bother you how it looks when it gets to screen.

Speaker 7 (01:07:55):
Back in the old days, Back in the good old days,
the early nineties, when we were doing movie after movie, huge,
huge movie after a huge movie, it was easy. I
saw the movies back then. I had nothing to do
with them. I got really lucky with Hollywood. There were
big directors, big cast, big box office draws domestic and foreign.
We were printing money. Life was good. So I never

(01:08:16):
quibble with an ending or a change of character or whatever,
because the movies were working. And I've learned over the years,
just it's going to be something different. Sell it to
good people, smart people, stay out of the way, and
hope for the best, and so far I've been very lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Do you think I don't want to get all nostalgic
about it, But when you say you're printing money in
the good old days, do you reckon they were the
good old days? I mean we might have lived through
the best of times in what you do or is
it just different?

Speaker 7 (01:08:45):
Well, I think it was better back then for big movies,
for big writers and big actors because the movies were bigger,
there were more of them. Now now there's so much television,
which we all enjoy, but as far as movies are concerned,
there aren't nearly as many big movies and big actors
and actresses as they're were thirty years ago. It's a
huge change. But you know, television has been great too

(01:09:08):
that it's been provided a lot of work and a
lot of money for writers, producers, directors, cast members, crew members.
It's a huge industry. So I can't say ones better
than listen. I got lucky. I had my pinnacle with
Hollywood thirty years ago, with great movies. I'm not sure
that's going to come back, although there are still deals
from option deals from movies that we make and that

(01:09:30):
we hope for the best.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
So I'm optimistic, which brings us, of course, to the
great tech question of the a j Ai. You're involved legally,
open AIS all that sort of stuff. Do you sit
there fear full of your creativity and individuality?

Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
Yeah, because you don't know where it's going. We don't
know where it's going. There's some people who say that
in a few short years, publishers will not need writers.
AI is going to be so good that AI can
write a novel, a suspense novel, a mystery is better
and better than I can. I don't think that's going
to happen. As a consumer of books, I can't see
myself ever buying a book produced by AI. I want

(01:10:05):
to know the writer, I want to know the tone.
And AI can capture a lot, it's phenomenal. It can't
can't always capture the emotion and drama of the human beings,
and that's what people love to read about. So you
know there's gonna be Yeah, there's going to be more
and more pressure to create AI generated books and content. Again,
I don't know where that's going. I don't really understand AI.

(01:10:28):
IM just wanting to hang on to what I've got
and keep writing books. Real books that people enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
How are we going to how are we going to
regulate it, get some rules around it? What's legal, what's not?

Speaker 7 (01:10:39):
Well, I don't know. We're trying to rane in on
some companies now through lawsuits because we allege, we have
not proven, and I can't say much about it because
I'm tied up in court. But our lawsuit alleges that
these companies just took our books because they craved data.
They have to have so much data. They took our books, magazines, newspaper, everything.
They wiped outs and plout all this stuff through the

(01:11:02):
llms to create what they do and without worrying about
Cartonbright infringement. And we think carpentright is sacred, and until
the court says otherwise, we will keep fighting. We're fighting
all the time now trying to protect what we are,
our intellectual property and what we have created.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Well, I'll tell you what the good thing about your
writing is, we get to have you back on the program.
So keep writing and we'll talk to you again soon.

Speaker 7 (01:11:25):
I'll see you next year.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Fantastic. John Grisham one of the good ones. The new
book is The Widow eight twenty two.

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to watch today, if youve got a couple of moments.
Bridges fallen over in China unfortunately was a brand new
bridge as well in Sashuan, seven hundred and fifty eight
meters long, and it's sort of they just opened it
and then they said, hang on if there's some cracks there,
Yes there are, so fortunately they've got some people off
it and the cars didn't go on it, so there
were no casualties. But there was a lot of rain
in the area. Foundations went bridges down, so well know,

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we'll probably have a new one done by Sunday. But nevertheless,
it's not good to build new bridges and just watch
them go down. But the video is quite something. Question
for you and one for Rod specifically, is a coup
in the offing for Sekia? Are Saquia's day's numbers? So
two part question, is a coup in the offing and
if it is, what chance of a success? We'll talk

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to rot in the UK after the news, which is
next here on the mic asking Breakfast at Newstalk.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Be Mike, I read the Russia's foreign minister Labrov hasn't
been seen for weeks. Highly unusual, a red flag, perhaps
upward inflection. Question Mark bears A raised it on the
program Monday, So come on, come to the party, but
he said, I take it unless you've seen him this week.
I haven't seen him this week. It seems to be
they blame him for the lack of the summit. So

(01:13:56):
the Bella was at Belarus, score it wasn't Belarus. I'm
thinking of the Morning show talking about the Morning Show,
where where were they going to meet? Budapesta is where
they were going to meet and it sort of fell
apart and they blame Labroth for it. Hence he's not
been seen, Mike. Which wine would you recommend for someone
in my sixties who has never drunk wine? I find it, Henry,

(01:14:18):
I find it hard to believe. Not that you necessarily
need to be a drinker, but I find it hard
to believe you've reached your sixties and have never drunk wine.
You've never been to a wedding, You've never been to
a party, you've never been to the races, you've never
won lotto, you've never been to a work do and
had a little tipple to something. Anyway, maybe he's a
bourbon guy, could be a bourbon guy. You're the only
person who's wine opinion I trust, Thank you, Henry. That

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now sits heavily on my shoulders, and I'm going to
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I'm very well. Indeed, BBC now the Trump thing and
the billion dollars. He's on Fox yesterday saying, look, I'm
I feel obligated to sue them, which sort of dragged
Starmer and to Diane doesn't know what to do. Where
do we go with the BBC? And not since we
last talk, old Timbo was giving interviews saying that you
know the BBC is actually okay, so still a miss.

Speaker 17 (01:15:14):
It's still a big mess. Partly because the BBC's in denial,
partly because the arrival Donald Trump into the scene, and
this is one of the things which provoked the whole
crisis in the first place, slightly took them back the
other way, because whilst people are not kind of happy
with the way the BBC has gone over the last

(01:15:35):
particularly fifteen years, they don't like this bullying, you know.
And I suspect that the threat of Trump's writ for
a billion tolicity, which would be existential for the BBC,
is something which plays in the BBC's favor a little bit.

(01:15:57):
And certainly what we've seen over the last two days
is the government, the Labor Party and the government rallying
behind the BBC a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Would the government rally behind the BBC if they were conservatives,
you know, in other words, the British government rallies behind
the British Broadcasting Corporation or is this a labor thing.

Speaker 17 (01:16:21):
That's a good question. That's a good question, Mike. I'm
not sure. I'm not sure. I think there are elements
of the conservative parties such as you know, there are
conservatives who worked with the BBC, very very few of them.
But you know, Chris Patten used to be there, the
chairman who felt very strong about the BBC's independence and

(01:16:41):
the BBC's neutrality, of the PC's ability to produce fair
reports and so on, who would undoubtedly be behind the BBC.
And then there are others such as the Conservative Party
leader Kemmy Beadenot, who thinks that the BBC is kind
of beyond form in a way, and that much as

(01:17:03):
we might have happy memories of it, that ton has
probably come to say goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Interesting thing about the BBC and Trump is when you
see the CBS CBS, he didn't have a case. It
was widely seen he didn't have a case, but nevertheless
they wanted clearance on a higher up they know in
a business deal. In this case, he does have a case.
And there must be pretty sure on Starmer to I
don't know, twist an arm or to write a check,

(01:17:30):
or to you know, lean on them or do something.
Hasn't it?

Speaker 17 (01:17:34):
Yeah, My, it won't come to that in the end,
and I think Starmer probably will lean on him, or
Lea Landy or someone there will lean on him to say, look,
it's not worth it. Leave it alone. Don It's not
worth it, mate, you know, let's say, because it would

(01:17:56):
turn the country against Trump, you know, yes, it really
in the country against Trump. And I suspect, you know,
if you know that sopect it wouldn't play terribly well
in New Zealand either, because I suspect that a lot
of people in New Zealand have a race memory of
the BBC, which is a rather likable memory for them
to have. So I think I think in a way

(01:18:20):
the Trump stuff muddies the waters. The BBC has been
saying we are not biased. There have been countless reports,
all by the independent people with no extra rind over
the last twenty years where I'm said, you are biased.
You don't understanding you're biased, but you are biased, you know.
And that was the essence of the problem. Once Trump

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gets involved, it muddies it a little bit, it does.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Is there a coup brewing? Is there anything in this
or not?

Speaker 17 (01:18:51):
The coup brewing for some time, it's reaching ahead. The
suspicion now is it will happen just after the disastrous
bludging whatever is delivered a pollour nation by rachel Us
at the end of the month. There is certainly fury
and annoyance amongst the backdventures. The problem is is that

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they are still further from the views of the population
than Starmer is. And you know, it is very difficult
to see. Two of the current problems Handy Burnham streeting
Angela Arena. All are tainted in some way or another.

(01:19:34):
Andy Burnham doesn't even have a seat. There is no
clear there is no clear past to number ten for
anybody on the backbenches or elsewhere in the labor Party.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
I reckon. We'll be talking about this on Tuesday. Rod,
appreciate it. You have a good weeknd couple of other
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I'd recommend you go to a red I don't think
you want to muck around with the I don't think
you want to muck around with the whites. White's here today,
gone to Morrows sort of wines in general, but a
nice rid. So start with the red. Just an approachable bead.
Don't say stuff like you know that rks me up.
So you start with an approachable red. And there's nothing
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and wa if. If you don't want to spend the
money on a mount difficulty, I'd go Rabbit Ranch, a
little bit cheaper, I think, made by the same people
from memory, could be Roaring Mead, can't remember, but Rabbit
Ranch rawing Mead. Mount Difficulty. I go mount difficulty if
you want, if you really want to push the boat out,
if you develop a taste for it, like if you
finish the mount difficulty really quickly and go well, wouldn't
mind a bit more of that. It's such a shame.

(01:21:50):
I've got some sixties and I haven't been drinking. I'd
go to a Felton Road. If you really want to
taste the very best of Felton, the very best peen
and war in the country, then Felton Road. So that's
my recommendation. And let me know how you go Henry
and don't drink and dry by the way, so court
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Forest District Council, who initially won and said the court
said they didn't have to or couldn't you could ban them,
that's been flipped so they've lost that. Meantime, a second
migrant who had been sent from the UK to France
and in one out thing has come back. So we
told you about the original in out, in out, there's
a second now out in out. So that program's just

(01:22:36):
a complete and utter disaster. But on the brighter side
of life in Britain, and I'm interested to know whether
that would happen here. But I don't think we keep
these sort of stats. Toy sales. Even though the economy shot,
toy sales are up for the first time since the pandemic.
The value of toy sales in Britain is up six percent.
Stitch as in the movie in Formula One. As in

(01:22:57):
the movie You're driving toy sales, which is interesting because
people are loving the hot wheels f one racing Circuit.
They release their Dream Toys series for Christmas. There's an
interactive dinosaur that breaks out of an egg. I think
we've seen that before. I don't think that's a new toy,
is that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
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since the Jurassic era.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
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feed themselves mini marshmallows with time.

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Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
They encourage you Trump a jump and to put to
put that on video and put it on the net. Anyway,
there's your Christmas shopping for you. That's all those toys,
by the way, worth about nine billion New Zealand dollars.
So the toy industry is booming, which is nice. Ten
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Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
There's a bit depressing. So Jake Paul, who's a dufus,
was going to fight with Jamonta Davis or Javonte Davis anyway,
it was called up. Davis was accused of domestic violence.
So Jake Paul needs another opponent, so he's found one
this morning. This is credible. Apparently it's Anthony Joshua. What
a shame? Ay, what are shame? So it is going

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to be next month. It is going to be live
streamed on Netflix as they continue there for a into
live sport. They do a very good job, and mus
say they're really They've got into the award scene fairly
early on a year or so back, and they were rubbish,
but they seem to have got their BacT together and
now realized it costs a bit of money and you
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all the latest stuff I've seen seems reasonable. They're into

(01:27:33):
the what's that fighting? There's mama fighting whatever that is anyway,
So Anthony Joshua, what does that say about the state
of Anthony Joshua's career When you're fighting Jake Paul. Jake
Paul ways in at ninety by the way, Kg's and
Joshua was one fourteen. Last fight. I did maintain once
Joshua won that he looked like a guy had earned
enough money not to care anymore. And I don't think

(01:27:53):
he does care anymore, and I think there's a little
bit of that about him, and he's he's in the
who are they the promoters? The one I keep talking
about on Netflix? The Hearns, The Hearns, Barry Hearn and
Coey's in that documentary. It's worth looking at and so
what a sellout Paul V. Joshua. Anyway, if you're into
that sort of thing, it's on Netflix. As I say,

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