Full Show Podcast: 14 November 2024

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show we now. The Prime Minister told us yesterday on

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the program that the abuse recompense package will be presented
in the first part of next year. This already, as
you've heard this week, upset over the time being taken.
The trouble with what we have here is it's entirely possible.
There are a few of any winners. All the obvious
questions that we can sit around and debate and we're
blue and the face have to be turned into reality.
A number has to be arrived at a check eventually

(00:53):
has to be written. It is based on precedent, is
it well, who would know? Is it based on new methodology?
Is it a combination of both. Given some people at
the apology called it a pr stunt and hollow. You
can see the sort of crowd they're playing to. And
the problem with the problem is there is little of
any room to push back too hard against people who
have had the most traumatic of circumstances thrust upon them.
Who are we to try and rationalize and put a

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figure on what they have had to endure? But everything
comes down to money. That I think is probably the
starting point, because a lot of people don't like to
talk that frankly about things like that. Of course, they
like to dress things up in a high idea we
suggest more dignified manner. But when push comes to shove,
whether it be a court or a private settlement, or
righting a wrong or expressing an apology or regret, a

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number is what does it or doesn't do it, as
the case may be. Also, the government will need to
take into account precedent, both past and setting one, and
our fiscal circumstances. Of course, the moment you plead poor
which we are it offers the possibility or thought that
more might have been coming if only we weren't talking
about this at the present point in time. Love to
pay you more, but times are tight. I mean, how

(01:57):
many of us have heard that one in the workplace
over the years, far less a Royal Commission rectification. To
this point, the impatient of not being further down the
track is understandable, but I think borders on being rude.
This government is taking on something others didn't touch and
all the baggage that comes with it. Part of the trick,
and I hope they get this right, is to enter
it with the best of intent, but to sit and

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stick to parameters. They don't need to say it, but
a take it or leave it scenario is the only
way to bring closure. The treaty process shows what happens
when there is no end. So I guess all we
can do is wish them well. What news of the
world in ninety seven, All the censfer of power rolls on,
plenty of appointments made. The Trumps that arrive in Washington

(02:40):
to have a word with the troops.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's got down very worried because they say, well next time,
and we go up even a fraction of.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
What we went up.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
You're going to win New York, You're going to win.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
New Jersey, You're going to win places at Warring Winterborough,
California too.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
And when they're loving it as legal team, as physics.

Speaker 6 (02:55):
He's been very transparent and who's appointing he's been very transparent.
I think Elon Musk with what he's done with Twitter,
has been incredible for this election for the American people,
and I think we're excited to see what.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
The new faces will be.

Speaker 6 (03:07):
And yes, it will not be boring.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
He is, of course there to make the president, which
won't be awkward at all. They rolled out the President's
missus to warm things up.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
Few senators I'm not going to name them, blocked our way.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
But that wasn't the end.

Speaker 9 (03:22):
This movement continues to gain momentum.

Speaker 10 (03:26):
We must keep fighting for free community college.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
In campaigning till the end. Couple of things in Britain,
one related to Trump actually as old mate Nigel Farage
was goading Stamer over Iran and Labour's issues with the
new president.

Speaker 11 (03:38):
Haws the time not come Prime Minister to prescribe what
is so obviously a terrorist organization. And in doing so,
maybe men some fences between this government and the incoming
presidency of Donald Trump's.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Meantime, the new Health Secretary where Streeting. He's been giving
a speech on how he's reforming the NHS.

Speaker 10 (03:59):
NHS not been able to meet its most important promises
to patients since twenty fifteen, A and E weights are
causing thousands of avoidable deaths. Fifty years of progress on
cardiovascular disease has gone into reverse. Three hundred and forty
five thousand people are waiting more than a year for
mental health treatment.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
So he's got his work cut out. Book a prize time,
Samantha Harvey's you winning for a book called orbit All
This it was primarily for me, a book about the
Earth more than it is about space.

Speaker 12 (04:24):
I wanted to write about both.

Speaker 13 (04:27):
Extraordinary miraculous beauty of the Earth, but also try to
find a new vantage.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Point on it.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Finally, speaking of prizes, People Magazine sixties Men of the
year's been named. How about I know, how about John Krasinski.
He's been in the office of course The Quiet Place
in Jack Ryan that's on Amazon. He took the title
of Patrick gim So you won it last year ender
me who won at the year before. Here's the world.
Increased inflation in America, nothing to be worried about. They

(04:58):
were seeing it coming zero point two percent for October.
For the twelve months, that makes it two point six percent.
The core CPI, which some people are fascinated with, were
zero point three for an annual figure of three point
three twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
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Speaker 2 (05:17):
Zippy hasn't all gone Trump's way today? John Thune has
just been announced as the Senate Majority Leader. Rick Scott
was their man, although Trump didn't endorse anybody publicly, certainly
Elon and all his other surrogates were and they saw
Scott as the man. But Scott has not been picked.
So John Thune just announced as the Senate Majority leader.
Fifteen past She's just got dad is my wealth? Andrew Kella,

(05:41):
good morning, very very good morning. Right all right, so
too science of the immigration, those of us who are
leaving and the numbers who are coming in.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (05:51):
Hey, look, if you're thinking, if you're thinking about the
forces or the drivers that are going to give us
some growth into the economy this year, you do have
to reflect to all consider the fact that migration, you know,
people coming in population growth, that has been a tail
when it's been a contributor, it's been helping lift activity.
But the takeaway for everyone today is that momentum is slowing,

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that force is turning. So we've got the latest migration numbers.
Peak migration that was from sort of round the middle
of twenty twenty two right through to October twenty twenty three.
That's when we're going gangbusters on the people. At its peak,
the twelvemonth running total was one hundred and thirty six
thousand people. Now, so the I suppose the comparison I've

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been using is if you bring in one hundred and
thirty six thousand people, that is basically bring in a
city roughly the size of Dunedin in a twelvemonth period. Now,
latest numbers release show that the permanent long term migration
twelvemonth total has now fallen below fifty thousand people. It's
actually under forty five thousand people. It's forty four nine hundred.

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So that's the first time we've been under fifty thousand
since January twenty twenty three. Yeh And looking at the
numbers your arrivals, so this is everyone. This isn't just
New Zealand citizens. There's everyone. One hundred and seventy eight
thousand people. Now, that's down twenty three percent on the
previous year. But if you look at departures at one

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hundred and thirty three thousand, that's up thirty four percent
on the previous year. So you get a net gain
of forty four thousand, nine hundred. Twelve months ago it
was one hundred and thirty three thousand. So fewer people
coming in, more people leaving. And yeah, we've got these
two annual records. If we're looking just at New Zealand citizens,
if we're looking just at New Zealand citizens, almost eighty

(07:40):
thousand migrant New Zealand citizen departures. So you've got to
go back to sort of February twenty twelve to get
a sort of a comparable number. The net migration loss
of New Zealand citizens is just to smidge under fifty
five thousand people. So also got to go back to
February twenty twelve to get numbers like that. So New

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Zealanders at the moment, Mike are voting with their feet. Now,
if I look at the monthly number which remembers subject
to potentially quite a bit of revision, plus twenty three
hundred and ten people seasonally adjusted. Look at a three
month rolling average there, it's sitting around that twenty three
hundred number. Hasn't been that low for a couple of years,
and as the economists are pointing out, Mike, if these

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trends continue, there is the possibility that in twenty twenty
five permanent long term migration could turn negative. But you know,
there's a bit of water to flow into the bridge.
And the tourism arms, I think you've talked about them.
The Q three there was a small rise in tourism,
about a four percent rise, but the number you got
to look at pre COVID we had about four million tourists.
We've now got three point two million to numbers.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
It's all a bit depressent. And when we go to
Australia the wages are better or although I know moderating.

Speaker 14 (08:48):
They are moderating. So yeah, just looking at that data overnight.
You just talked about that USCPI. That probably lifts the
probability of a twenty five bases cutting the Fed funds
rate before Christmas, but we will obviously wait and see, yeah,
look wages. Looking at Australia, Yeah, we're leaving in big
numbers and we like going to Australia. We know the
labor market in Australia is quite resilient, but what's happening
with wages if you head.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Over there for a job.

Speaker 14 (09:10):
Q three their wage growth numbers are released yesterday. They
lifted zero point eight percent in the quarter, roughly the
same growth or exactly the same growth from the previous
quarter as well. It was also point eight year on year.
They're wages growing at three and a half percent now
that has fallen from four point one percent the previous quarter,
so both results a little under expectations. Bottom line those

(09:31):
that wage growth is moderating across the Tasman. The moderation
is broad based. There's still Mike affair bit of debate
and uncertainty. However, when the RBA in Australian Central Bank
will move that cash rate below four point three to five,
this outcome probably supports the argument for a move lower sooner.
But the bigger picture, as I said, is that the
labor market is quite resilient. In inflation is only coming

(09:53):
down quite slowly, so we're still looking at early twenty
twenty five remove lower in the OSSI cashuck. Just by
way of comparison, just did a quick look at our numbers,
our Q three numbers in New Zealand. Our wage growth
was running at the private sector three point three percent,
so we were growing a little, but our public sector,
the government sector, was running a heck of a lot higher.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well, that was a lot of nurses and doctors and
stuff like that of those settlements.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (10:18):
So the US markets a small positive. The dal Jones
is up one hundred ninety one points forty four thy
one hundred and two. That's er point four to four percent.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
The S and P five.

Speaker 14 (10:27):
Hundred is just hanging around the six thousand level five
nine hundred and ninety five. It's up eleven points, and
the Nasdaq is at nineteen thousand, three hundred and fifteen
that is upper point one seven percent. The foot to
one hundred gain five overnight eight o three to zero.
The Nikke lost one point sixty six percent thirty eight thousy,
seven hundred and twenty one. In China they are up

(10:49):
half a percent on the Shanghai composite three four to
three nine. The ossies yesterday eight one ninety three was
the closed there that the lost three quarters of a percent.
The NZ at x fifty he lost point five nine
percent yesday, closing at twelve thousand, six hundred and seventy four.
Kiwi dollar against the US has gone down below fifty
nine cents. Now we don't often see that point five

(11:11):
eight eighty five. It usually doesn't spend much time there,
so we will see point nine oh seven six against
the ossie point five five sixty nine Euro point four
to six three one against the pound. Ninety one point
three eight Japanese yen gold is trading at two thousand,
five hundred and eighty six also fallen through the two thousand,
six hundred level, and Brent crude seventy two dollars and

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twenty three cents see tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Andrew kelliherchamiwalth dot co dot n Z past get Main
Freight six month report to the end of September. Revenues
up eight and a half percent, profits down a little
bit bit to the Commetary's interesting freight volumes and warehousing
utilization have all increased. This improvement of profitability during our
second quarter is expected to continue into the second six
months of our financial reporting period, which is good because

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Speaker 2 (12:10):
B tightened to what we're going to be doing Black
Friday this year. But the personal luxury goods market globally
is going to this year face its first slowdown since
the global financial crisis. Key Chinese market. People are not
spending the way they used is, So that's at the
luxury and meantime. This morning, Amazon Hall, that's what they're
calling it. They've launched something to go against Timu and
Shine if you're into the cheap crap coming in from China.

(12:30):
Amazon Hall, crazy low prices, that's their words, not mine.
Crazy low prices, free shipping on all those over twenty
five bucks item is going to be delivered within two
weeks or less. Is that what normally happens? I don't
know anyway, So they're up against Shine and Yeah tim
six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Trending Now wims Warehouse your home for Christmas shopping interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Forty eight percent of us are relying on Black Friday
to buy some stuff or replace some stuff that we
need for the home. But I'll come to that in
the moment. Pat McAfee is on a it's a very
good story if you don't know it. He's a former
NFL kicker and he went on to create a successful podcast,
got picked up by esp and tended into a television show.
In October, mark the twenty first month in a row
that ratings have gone up. He's very good mates with

(13:13):
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on his program. Today, they were rooumed missing about how
they got to where they are, and they played a
clip that went viral and started their rise in popularity.

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I can tell to.

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Owen?

Speaker 16 (13:33):
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If you're telling us your half edged you're too young
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Thank you, Owen, Owen, thank you.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
I'm taking also it's not a bad show to be
fair by the way, if you haven't caught up with
it this morning. Timothy West has passed away at the
age of ninety. Married, of course for many, many years,
I think sixty plus years to Pronella Scales, he was
you recognizing from brass from the seventh East End as

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the Great Canal Journeys, which has been on I know
you as a UK TV living channel. Something like that
went for years. They wandered up and down the canals
of Britain in a boat and they made a television
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And yet it went on year after year after year.

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Speaker 1 (15:07):
The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,
like Costing, Breakfast with the range Rover, the la designed
to intrigue and use talks.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
There'd be Mike, I know you like rocket Lab success
shares up forty percent, five times normal volume. They're four
dollars in February. Now they're twenty dollars a year. Beisay
billionaire out of all of this this year market doesn't
necessarily indicate, of course, what's really going on is just
a vibe and a view at the present point in time,
but you can't deny that they're having extraordinary success and
it's out of New Zealand. And the more we encourage
our tech sector, the better the Swedes. By the way,

(15:38):
I've officially announced this morning they've become smoke free, which
I assume beats us because we haven't done that. We're
at six point eight percent of the population smoking last
numbers as of December. They're claiming this morning they're at
five point three. They run a campaign called quit like
Sweden and people from this is the most interesting thing
I found. People from other countries in Europe who have
moved to Sweden would be three three times more likely

(16:01):
to smoke if they had not moved. So they're claiming
great success and good on them. Twenty three to seven,
also in Europe. As Joe McKennis, she's in Italy and
will join her shortly Comcom's taking legal action against one
New Zealand. I'll explain that in just a couple of moments. Meantime,
we've got to crack down on rogue online gaming operators,
the unlicensed that could soon be fined five million dollars.

(16:25):
New laws are on the way. So are we heading
in the right direction? The independent chair of the Gaming
Machine Association, Peter Dingate thrushes, well, there's Peter, good morning.

Speaker 16 (16:32):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Do you honestly believe anybody, anywhere ever, is going to
be fined five million dollars?

Speaker 12 (16:38):
I think that's a bit of a newspaper height. But
what is good about this is that we are starting
to see some movement, some regulation of this space, which
we've been calling for for a long time. And we've
been opposed to unregulated online gambling because of the damage
that it does to the current system.

Speaker 13 (16:52):
You know, the current.

Speaker 12 (16:53):
System has one of the lowest problem gamling rates in
the world, and we put a third of a billion
dollars back into the community for community prey, and this
has the capacity to damage that.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Can you regulate? Can you regulate online gambling if it's
coming out of Azerbaijan, Well, it.

Speaker 16 (17:09):
Depends what familion.

Speaker 12 (17:09):
It's difficult to actually go to Azivaijan and prosecute someone,
so that's difficult. But if you can make the license
attractive enough so that they want to keep it, then
you can probably work some control by controlling that licensing.

Speaker 13 (17:21):
But it's a bit tenerous.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah, what I'm asking really is is it realistic. It's
one thing to say, hey, we're going to do this,
can you actually because I mean the Australian government if
you following it trying to ban kids on social media,
social media, online gambling, it's all global. How do you
control something from the bottom of the world.

Speaker 12 (17:39):
There's a lot of evidence that children are being very
dam badly damaged by access to online media. So I
think we need a bit of work done in that area.
But maybe that's the way to go. But just come
back to this regulation, like there's what's wrong with this
is that it doesn't actually address some of some of
the major problems. It's based on some misunderstood economics. I
don't know whether you've read the cap that paper, but

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we currently pay one hundred and sixty million dollars a
year for example to operate us to the pubs. That's
there's going to be no commission paid to anybody that's
taken out of the system, so there's a whole jobs
possibly at stake. The biggest part is probably there's no
requirement to pay back any money to the community. And
Section three of our Gambling Acts says that part of

(18:22):
the purpose of the Act is that money from gambling
should benefit the community. So they're getting this ignores one
of the major planks, if.

Speaker 13 (18:30):
You like, of the current system.

Speaker 12 (18:31):
And as I say, the current system zero point two
percent of the population of problem gamblers.

Speaker 13 (18:35):
We've got one of the lowest rates.

Speaker 12 (18:37):
Of organized crime associated with gambling in New Zealand. You know,
these things just don't work well.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
When you say point two percent of the population. I
headed at point four, but I'll take your number at
point two. It's next to no one. Why are we exercised, Well,
you know that's part of the problem.

Speaker 12 (18:53):
We want to get it down even low. But like
those the Swede you mentioned with the smoking. But one
of the good things about this regulation is that they
are going to pay money into the problem gambling levy.
That's the money that goes to the Health's Department, which
then runs the various schemes for protecting people who are
risk on this which the current system has a great
deal of onerous host responsibilities on people who provide gambling

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and it's very difficult to see how the scheme is
going to enforce anything like that. And again you came
back to the problem that you raise. How do you
attrack someone down in nazerbad jar and make them.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Behave exactly Peter appreciated very much. Petter Dingate thrush into
ended chair of the Gaming Machine Association of New Zealand
nineteen minutes away from seven scheme aforementioned business of Australia
and banning people. You know my views on that once
again it's a thought bubble from a left leaning government.
But that is there's a very good piece in the
paper this morning in the Herald, social media ban on
kids and the illusion of explanatory depth, written by doctor

(19:50):
Eric Crampton. A lot of common sense in that if
you want to go there. Meantime, the ComCom they're busy.
Lawyers are doing nicely at the moment. They're taking legal
action overle One New Zealand's one hundred percent cover claims
for SpaceX. They're claiming that SpaceX are going to be
able to allow you to text anywhere in the country.
Criminal charges for representations made in the campaign promoting one
hundred percent mobile coverage. Commission believes may have breached the

(20:13):
Fair Trading Act. They are concerned the campaign could be
misleading and distort competition. I don't know what to do
because One New Zealand came back with a statement I
have in front of me, but they in the time
it came to me, and I've been told it's withdrawn,
so I don't know what I mean. They're saying they're
going to defend it, so you know, we'll see where
that goes.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
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Speaker 2 (20:39):
Talks B been a bit of a theme this week
on dairy and farming in general, and the news has
all been good. Fonterra's big AGM is today, of course,
nine dollars fifty midpoint at the moment, so we're all
going hallelujah. B and Z have crunched a couple of numbers.
They see the possibility of the futures market currently by
the way, since at nine seventy. They see the possibility

(21:01):
of ten bucks if things continue the way they are.
There's a rider. Things need to continue the way they are,
but if they do, they see ten bucks for the season.
So we'd take that all the day long.

Speaker 8 (21:11):
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Speaker 2 (21:18):
Jo mccanna, Good morning to you, good money mate. Now,
Elon Musk, he's involved now in the Albanian migrant debate.
How's that gone down?

Speaker 9 (21:26):
Wow? This has provoked a massive outcry in Italy. Elon
Musk joined right wing leaders condemning Rome judges who have
tried to block a second batch of Meek migrants from
being detained in Albania, saying that these seven migrants, who
are citizens of Egypt and Bangladesh should be brought to Italy,

(21:46):
which they have been now. Now, Musk said on Twitter
today or X his I should say X. These judges
need to go And that's just provoked an amazing backlash.
Particularly notable here is a strong statement from the Italian
President Sogio Martarella, who used very diplomatic language today to

(22:09):
say Elon Musk, but out of Italian politics, he said,
Italy is a great democratic country and knows how to
take care of itself and doesn't expect this kind of
reaction from an ally.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
There's going to be more where that came from.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
It.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
What interests me at the moment, Joe, is that this
whole French German thing, because they're arguing that with Ukraine
the funding of you need a strong Europe and France
and Germany a basket cases. So Trump rolls into town,
starts dictating terms on money and aid and all that
sort of stuff, and they need a good, strong leader
in Europe who can match Trump, and they're suggesting it's Maloney,

(22:44):
given she's of an ideological slant towards him. Plus of
course she seems to be successful unlike France and German leaders.

Speaker 9 (22:51):
Well, it's quite possible that she would step into that
vacuum because, as you said, Macrme and Schultz are looking
very weak at the moment, and she has a strong
relationship with Elon Musk, as we know, she has a
strong relationship with Donald Trump, and so it's going to
be very interesting to see how she exploits that situation
to try and carve out a different, more powerful role

(23:14):
for herself.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
In Europetly, what's happening in Napoli, what's in Naples? The mafia?
Why are they killing these kids.

Speaker 9 (23:21):
I'm not sure if we talked about this before, Mike,
but we've seen an increase in the teenage mafia murders,
adolescents killing each other on the streets. Some people call
them baby gangs. We've had three teenagers killed in the
last two weeks, including a nineteen year old who was
shot because he stepped on someone's designer trainers. So the

(23:44):
prosecutors are very concerned. They're actually calling for the army
to intervene. I don't know that that's really going to
solve the problem when you've got unemployment and what some
newspapers have called a wild West situation on the streets
of Naples.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Wow. And then we come to the Vatican. So tell
me about the bloke who's designing the new mascot, and
then I'll tell you about my concern at the Vatican
that I'm noticed over the weekend. So who's this bloke?

Speaker 9 (24:09):
Well, as you know, we're gearing up for the Vatican
Jubilee celebrations in twenty twenty five. Simone Leno has been
asked to design a mascot, a little doll like figure
that is going to be the mascot for this year.
But apparently he has a backstory and he's previously worked
on designs for sex toys. So that's a slight embarrassment

(24:31):
for the Vatican.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I would say, okay, fair enough to So anyway, I'm
watching the Pope at the window right this last weekend, yep,
and I'm thinking, when are they painting it?

Speaker 9 (24:41):
Adding the window?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I mean, have you seen it? Have you seen the shutters?
Have you seen the state of the building? Do they
not keep it? I mean, what I know about maintenance,
Joe is if you let it go, you've got nothing
but trouble. Why why aren't they keeping it up? Yeah?
Why aren't they have a program of upkeep for the Vatican?

Speaker 9 (24:58):
It is a symbol, isn't it. Well, they have spent
quite a bit on redoing parts of Saint Peter's Square.
They have re renovated recently the big altar inside Saint
Peter's Basilica. So maybe the funds have dried up. But
I'll check that out for you and come back to her.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
You to be good, But have a look at the
pictures that the shutters and the windows are just in
dire dire need of a good sand and some painting.

Speaker 17 (25:25):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'm to come back to me next week, will you
ex McKenna. She probably dreads coming on this progrium every
week with some random nut job she has to deal with,
poor woman. But have a look at it some time.
By the way, just before we leave Europe, Meta have
announced for the EU customer base that Facebook and Instagram
subscription fees are down by forty percent, So that to

(25:48):
a degree does indicate this is regulatory. By the way,
they've been forced into this, and it does indicate that
I suppose you can regulate these players, because of course
we're busy in this country trying to pass some sort
of potentially legislation to make them pay for news and stuff.
Various parts in the world at the moment are having
the same sort of problem. Somebody is suing somebody. I'll
come back to it in the moment, but somebody. There's

(26:09):
a lot of angst, legally speaking, going on with the
social media. But anyway, they've debuted this ad free subscription
service with the EU due to an EU regulation intended
to clamp down on anti competitive practices by tech companies
after the regional regulators find the company four hundred million
dollars for violating EU data privacy laws. So nine ninety

(26:30):
nine euros is down to five ninety nine for your
desktop user, twelve ninety nine drops to seven ninety nine
for iOS and Android users. The free option will also
see unskippable ads that are intended to quote provide value
to advertisers. So that's where that at. So they're getting
a better deal than we are. Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
The make costing repers with huge.

Speaker 16 (26:53):
Dogs they needs right.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Black Friday price may have done the work. Over half
of US are expected to take part over half fifty
one percent compared with thirty five percent last year. That's
a lot, isn't it. Forty eight percent are relying on
Black Friday sales to buy or replace something for the home,
Fifty one percent relying on the sales to afford Christmas.
Half of us buy treats for ourselves. Eighteen to twenty

(27:15):
four year olds they're they're in like a robber's dog.
Seventy two percent of them are taking part. Average New
Zealand is going to spend around six hundred dollars how's
that breakdownle it's the bloke says always spending more money
seven hundred and seventy dollars compared with the women at
four hundred and sixty. Although I'm suspicious that that. Women
always say I know I won't spend much this year.
I no, no, no, nothing for me, and then that's

(27:36):
not true. Tech and Electronics thirty eight percent, Fashion and
clothing thirty five, household applants is twenty five. The advice
is still the same, it's not worth getting into debt
because a lot of them plan to buy now, pay
later twenty eight percent, plan to use a credit card
or overdraft twenty two percent. Actually, God Forbid saved up
for its light and good old days five minutes away

(27:57):
from seven.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Scad the ouse.

Speaker 8 (28:01):
It's the fizz.

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Speaker 2 (28:06):
My granddad used to say, if you haven't got the cash,
you can't afford it. Speaking of which, new report into
New Zealand and Australian retail workers things are Doer Market
Research Company Research Scape. It was taken in September, looks
at retail crime and hostile customers. Overall, more than half
of retail managers and staff surveyed said they were worried
about thieves and aggressive customer interactions. Thirty two percent they

(28:29):
were they're most worried about shoplifting and grab and runs.
When it comes to crime, seventy one percent worse shoplifters
fifty one percent hostile forty three percent grab and runs.
Twenty percent say they experienced organized retail crime groups. Sixteen
percent said they have been assaulted seventy percent, so they're
expecting to be understaffed for the holiday season. Thirty four

(28:49):
percent say they're extremely concerned and fearful for their personal
safety and are actually considering quitting to avoid interactions. When
it comes to you can actually do, fifty four percent
say they feel safeer wearing body cameras. People in retail
wear a body camera. Is the last time you were
in shop, you went, what's that? It's a body camera?

(29:09):
Because there are deterrent to aggressible criminal behavior. I don't
doubt that they work, as the people who know work
in the prisons. They seem to work, but I've not
seen anybody that works in retail wearing the body camera.

Speaker 18 (29:21):
Well, we ran stories about supermarket workers wearing body cameras,
remember I do.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
But apart from that, I've not seen anybody in retail
wearing body cameras. Okay too, Can I be honest, I'm
depressed this morning. I'm depressed about two things. One's this
tourism slash people leaving the country, but I've been depressed
about that before, so that's ongoing depression. And then I'm

(29:49):
depressed about these I'll give you the names of the schools,
these idiot schools that are sending their kids along to
the stupid protest. Anyway, I'll work through that and i'll
come back to you in a bri mood after the news.

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Speaker 2 (30:11):
Togs Head be only seven past seven, so new stats
around tourism that indicate we're still stuck well below COVID
arrival numbers, asb's assessment to suggest, there are very few
science things again to be improving anytime soon. Tourism New
Zealand CEO Rene de montche' is back with us. Morning
to you morning, Mike. I know you like to talk
it up and good on you for doing so. But
when you say three point two three million versus three

(30:33):
point nine, we are nowhere near where we need to be.
Why not.

Speaker 16 (30:39):
Look, it's fear to say absolutely. You know, tourism recovery
and tourism attraction is a pretty competitive gain, right, Look,
an answer to your question, the biggest one that has
been slower as a market has been China. You know,
China itself has been quite late in lifting its own restrictions.
We've seen their economy be but lower. They have been

(31:01):
quite active at encouraging domestic spend. So that's probably the
main reason in terms of why we are behind. They
are where we were twenty nine team levels. But Mike,
I think it's also important to note, Look, if we
look at a year on year basis, actually we're growing
quite strongly seventeen percent holiday rivals twenty eight and actually
that what the data also shows us is that whilst

(31:23):
we're about eighty three percent of twenty nineteen levels, we're
at one hundred percent of the value when we look
at the year to June of this year. So that means, yes,
there are not the same volume of people good spend
per persons up.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Right, Okay, so you're telling me we're getting the money back,
and we always did, we just doing it with fewer people.
If that's true, then that's fantastical. Let me ask you
about China though, because I get mixed reports. They did, yes, domestically,
but they're also a regional They're into Singapore and Indonesia
and all of those sort of places Korea. Is that true,
And if that's true, is that permanent? In other words,
they're never going to come back in the numbers they

(31:57):
used to be here.

Speaker 13 (31:58):
No, we've seen that.

Speaker 16 (31:59):
Look, there's a bit of short haul travel patterns that
come out of China, right so they will pick you know,
when their own restrictions lifted, as expected, the predictable shorter
haul markets were the first to recover, so that includes
their own domestic places like Hong Kong, but also going
into Singapore, and then long haul has recovered kind of

(32:20):
after that. But certainly that's been a slower recovery than
we had expected, you know, and it's a part of
the economy. It's also a bit changing travel patterns.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Having said that, I.

Speaker 16 (32:32):
Think the outlook for the summer it is pretty strong
also out of China. So if you look at yes,
we're still behind twenty nineteen levels, but in the last
few months we've seen an acceleration of that growth rate,
in fact over the winter months, so we're back up
to about seventy five percent of pre COVID level.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
About that transseasonal thing you're giving a crack, is that working?

Speaker 16 (32:52):
We've just started and we certainly had some really good
results out of this first winter where we promoted, particularly
in Australia and China, and we saw actually the July
August months both so Australia was up about sixteen percent
back at one hundred percent of twenty nineteen levels. China
was up four fifty two percent, back at about three
quarters of pre COVID level. So we've seen some good

(33:14):
green shoots in that. But absolutely that's our focus for
the future. Actually, how do we grow the sector by
five billion dollars But really importantly seventy percent of that
we want to come between March and November because that
was a sort of stubborn time a year where it's
pretty tough for tourism operators.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Always, as always, I wish you were with that. Rene
de Monte, who is with Tourism New Zealand he is
the boss. I'll crunt you through a couple of the
numbers later if we get time ten minutes past seven,
last get because I'm sort of confused to around capacity.
There suggest capacity is back, but the planes aren't full,
so that's the demand thing. And then you come to Japan,
which I told you earlier on this week. They are
welcoming in Japan the same number of people in a

(33:50):
month that we welcome in a year, three million. It's incredible, right,
got an idea around land zoning, So what would happen
of local streets and neighborhoods. We're given the choice of
what's allowed to be built and where Texas does it?
Houston are their claiming success so much so that housing's
becoming more accessible and more affordable. How does this work?
The Maximum Institute researcher Thomas Scrimser is, Well, it's Thomas,

(34:11):
very good morning to you.

Speaker 16 (34:13):
Good morning, Mike, Hey did very well.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Indeed, how locals local? Is it a street, is it
a block, is it a neighborhood, is it a community?
How do they work that out?

Speaker 19 (34:21):
Yeah, so there's a bit of a variety in how
they work it out, depending on the kinds of neighborhoods
that were already there in the city. But it's crucial
to kind of point out this isn't something they've done recently.
This goes back to nineteen ninety eight. They were trying
to get smaller lot sizes. Specifically, you know, they had
these big, sprawling, suburban, massive American houses and they're like, oh,

(34:43):
we're going to identify people need to be able to
build smaller. So back in nineteen ninety eight they shrunk
the minimum lot size, but different streets or subdivisions could
opt out. But that means that people actually signed up
to it and they got twenty five thousands more houses
out of it.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Okay, so that you'd have to agree that you want
twenty five thousand more houses. What about the overarching stuff
that councils can't keep their noses out of far lest governments.
How do they deal with that?

Speaker 7 (35:11):
Well?

Speaker 19 (35:11):
I think you kind of have to start by assuming, Mike,
that the people at local council don't always know what's best.
You know, you might be able to get on board
with that, but really, you know, the standard things councils do,
councils have to do. But in terms of should we
have more houses in this neighborhood or on this street.
Streets could be able to sign up for that themselves.

(35:31):
In Houston, what they did is say we're getting more houses,
but streets can opt out with a sixty percent supermajority,
and it expires after twenty five years and you'd have
to go sign up again. So there's a bias in
favor of more housing, but the most committed opponents could
opt out of it.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
What's literally the mechanism as a member of that community,
Do I have to attend these meetings and go number
forty seven here, I vote for X? Is that literally
how it works? Everyone's actually involved in the process.

Speaker 19 (36:00):
I think what it'd be is simply did bea petition
voting format where you could have a few committed people
who go and sit in the meetings, but if you
get the signatures of people in the community, that's enough
years or no. So a few diehards have to do
the shoe leather politics and go in doorknock get to
know their neighbors, but most people don't have to attend
the meeting.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Interesting, good to talk to you, Thomas Thomas Scrimsher, who's
with the maxim Institute. Have a look at Houston if
you want to see how they do it. Thirteen minutes
past seven pasking like, honestly, when was the last time
you're in a retail shop? You don't leave your house.
It's a very very good point. We were laughing at
that during the news when I said I've never seen
anybody in retail. I actually should have stopped at that
point because I've never seen anybody in retail because I

(36:40):
don't go into shops. I do have rental news for you.
It's not good unless you're a landlord. It is if
your landlord, it's good. If you're a person who's paying
the rent, it's not. We've had a lull in terms
of rental prices, but the stats out this morning they're
up for October zero point eight percent. For the month
of September, Marlborough through the roof up six and a
half percent. Up there thirty five bucks, Taranaki up one

(37:01):
point seven percent. Why Cattle up one point seven percent
as well. Bay have Plenty has overtaken Auckland is the
most expensive place to live in the country rental wise
six't eighty, which is up another five bucks. Northlands crashed
Biggus decrease fell forty bucks, which is six point one
percent on the month fourteen past.

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Speaker 2 (37:25):
Mike ir believed an announcement on the moojor revel gas
and vector on Gas is out from the Commerce Commission
tomorrow will be big changes for the gas industry. Well,
it depends on what they say, obviously, but you are correct.
Tomorrow is decision day seventeen past seven. So we tick
the trotting cup box, didn't we? And the cup is
held in Show Week and Show Week in christ which
is one of the country's great get togethers. Of course,
while it has been until lately. The one hundred and

(37:46):
sixty second edition of the Canterbury Amp Show opens today
slim down format. The Amp Association Chairman of course, Sir
David Carter's back with us. David Morning, Good morning, Mike.
Has it got a fizz about it? Do you think
you've got something here or not?

Speaker 3 (37:59):
We've resurrected the show. We've only been in the job
for ninety eight days, so we've managed to get a
show up and operating for this year. The focus is
on sustainability of this event into the future. So while
we've got a show for people to enjoy this year,
my focus is still on making sure that it runs
twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven and onwards for the
next one hundred and sixty two years.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
So if you build it, will they come? Do you
think they'll come?

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yes, I think they will. I think the interest has
been great. Certainly. We've said to the members of the association,
We've said to the exhibitors and the trade sites, if
you want the show to last, you've got to be
part of the solution. And we've had tremendous response. You know,
six hundred sheep entries, we've got beef cattle, we've got
cat the dairy cattle, we've got the horses there in
large numbers. So people are key to support it. They

(38:46):
were aghast to think we might have had show week
without a show. We've managed to turn it around.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
How different will it look.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
It'll be slightly reduced on what we've had in other years,
but only slightly to be fair. Some of the big sponsors,
you know, the meat companies Alliance silver Fern said, well,
you told us it was off.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
It's too late.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Now for us to come back, and I understand that,
except that they have all agreed that we will have
them back next year, so this year will be slightly small.
I don't think the public will greatly notice it.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
So basically what you're telling us for people around the country,
you haven't followed. This was it the way it was
run to the problem. The show's not the problem. People's
interest isn't the problem. It was the way it was run.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yes it was.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
It got to the stage when there were arguments between
the then board the General Committee, which are the people
who really make the show work, personality classes. We've moved
past that. We don't want to continue to look backwards.
We've now got complete cooperation from people all wanting to
make sure the show survives, and we've got ourselves into
a financially strong position.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Good, you still got your cattle.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
I don't show cattle myself personally. I'm going in there
shortly to or assist, but no, once I entered Parliament
it was pretty hard to be a pedigree stud breeder
as well.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Nice to talk, go well with it, David Carter, Can
it be AMP Association chairman. We'll talk about the treaty
in just a couple of moments in some of the
schools that are going to be Shall we get into
the business of the numbers yesterday? I mean a lot
of you are interested in that, the people walking across
the Harbor Bridge. First of all, my concerned about the
media coverage of this. It's not it is a circus,
but it's not a circus. It's not a traveling festival

(40:19):
to be covered. It's day one, Day two, day three.
Is the media coverage. It's it's not a telephone. It's
just a protest and the protest started. It will eventually
reach its conclusion after day whatever it is, and nothing
particularly will happen. A large group will gather in the
Parliament grounds and they'll cover that, and that's fine. There's
anohing wrong with covering it. But it's taken on a
festival type dynamic, which yet again does not serve the

(40:45):
New Zealand media well. But more than just a couple
of moments.

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debated today, then off it goes to the committee that
will hear a lot of fearmongering and winging about how
it's the end of the world that it will come

(42:00):
back to Parliament, a vote will be had, it won't
get the numbers, it'll be dead. This is unusual. Governments
normally put bills in they know are going to pass.
And so here is why it ties into Trump's victory
last week. Trump won because he is the repository for grievance.
If you don't like the left, you vote for what's
not the left, because you've only got a choice of two.

(42:23):
Under MMP, you got more choices. We've taken a lot
of time to work that out, but as MMP matures,
we are reaching a place where more parties will establish
themselves as ongoing contributors to the system, as opposed to
being seen as fringe and on the verge of survival.
Especially helpful will be this government if it performs well
as a group, gets re elected and possibly goes for

(42:43):
a third term, it will show three parties can coalesce
agree to disagree while remaining separate and independent. The Greens
have already arrived at this place of course, they are
a permanent fixture on the landscape. They don'tdabble with the
five percent margins anymore. The point here is, as a result,
the big parties will shed sup bought. The days of
national being forty five ish percent that gone because parties

(43:03):
like ACT in New Zealand first look to head towards
ten percent, if not more. The Treaty Bill might well
be act's ride to permanence, the same way that Trump
hoovered up blacks and Hispanics who were sick of being
treated like a block and not individuals. ACT could hoover
up New Zealanders sick of raced based policy if NATS
the NATS don't or won't deal with it, ACT can

(43:25):
In an MMP environment, Trump would not have stood a chance,
of course, but their system is less sophisticated than ours.
Choice is good. It gets over represented though in jurisdictions
where the threshold is too low, because you end up
with single issue nutters. But at about five percent, it
looks like we've picked it right. You can be small
without being too fringe. Hopefully, ACT in New Zealand first
break the MMP who do where small parties vanish in

(43:47):
government because there are enough specific issues and enough electoral
confidence four parties to state claims and build support. Big
parties no longer have to be everything to everyone. If
this is an emerging trend, MMP proper will have arrived
and we will be all the better for it. Pasking
just on those tourism numbers they put out completely separately yesterday,

(44:10):
the New Zealand Airport's Association, what it means to have
plans land in the country. Twenty seven billion is what
it's worth of the country. Planes landing. Every international flight's
worth one point four billion in value, forty two direct
international connections, nine point three million international travelers a year.
We're now back to being the biggest second biggest export
earner for the country at twenty six and a half billion,

(44:31):
twenty six and a half billion, by the way, in
cargo value alone North America. And this is where it
gets interesting with seat capacity. When they talk about seat capacity,
North American market boomed last summer. Economic impact of every
American flights above average seat capacity at nine hundred and
twenty thousand. That's up thirty six percent on pre COVID,
So we're back there, but nearly a third of the

(44:52):
seats are empty on the US route, So just because
you've got seats doesn't mean they're filled. Eight and a
half million domestic passenger movements a year. That's worth three
point six billion to the economic activity, and that supports
sixty thousand jobs. So there's a lot of good news
to be told around tourism in general and flight movement
and all that sort of stuff. But you simply can't

(45:12):
hide and nor should we, from the fact we're not
as good as we used to be, and somebody better
be working pretty bloody hard to work out why not.
PPP's public private partnerships. We've been trying them, haven't been
very good at them. So we've got a new framework.
We'll work you through the detail after the news, which
is next the.

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Jeff was one of the nicest people you'll ever meet,
and in the Master's Tour these days, he's discovered this
whole new life where he is a winner basically, and
he won the Schwab Cup the other day, which is
basically the tour. So in other words, you do really
rather than the individual tournaments throughout the year, which you did,
and if you do better than anybody else, you'd win
the whole tour, which you did. So we'll have to

(46:00):
catch up with them after rat plage this morning. Meantime,
twenty three minutes away from it, you can hold the
presses because the government has released a new framework for
public private partnerships and the Labor Party is on board
with it. So some rare cross party cooperation we seem
to have here in trouble with PPPs is we haven't
been very good at them. In fifteen years. We've entered
into eight apparently there's been three prisons, three schools and

(46:20):
two roads. Infrastructure Minister christ Bishop is with us. Very
good morning to you come on it. The relevance of
having Labor on board how significant?

Speaker 17 (46:29):
Oh like I to be honest, I'm really pleased, bite
a bit surprised, but I am pleased by it. I'm
trying to build greater by partisanship around infrastructure because that's
what the country desperately needs and it's the feedback from
the market, both international and domestic.

Speaker 13 (46:42):
They say, you just got to get a bit of.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Consensus on the stuff.

Speaker 14 (46:46):
So had a bit of a shift for Labor.

Speaker 17 (46:48):
They didn't do any PPPs for six years. They basically,
you know, the reason, one of the reasons why we've
had to update the model and the frameworkers that they
didn't do any and the market lost all confidence in it.
And I been developing the Steady and National Infrastructure Plan,
which has been done by the Infrastructure Commission, and as
part of that, I've been meeting with Labor and the

(47:08):
Greens actually around the development of that plan because I
want to get some buy in from them as to
the long term vision, and Labor expressed interest in being
briefed on the PPP model and the work we were doing,
so we made that happen and then they offered to
write a full worth and we've accepted. And I think
it all downed quite well with the market because it
gives a sense that the government changes, which hopefully it won't,

(47:30):
but if it does, then you know there's a bit
of stability. So if someone signed the contract, I'm just
going to be torn up.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
That's a good, big, good stuff. Why are we no
good at them?

Speaker 13 (47:40):
Well, we're not good at them because over the l.

Speaker 17 (47:44):
I would argue that we haven't developed sufficient expertise inside
the Crown to make sure that the government is a
good client on our side of it. And that's one
of the things we're changing with the development of this
new National Infrastructure Agency that will start life and two
and a half weeks first December. We're going to buy
in and attract really top class talent so that when

(48:08):
the Crown engaged is in public private partnerships, we get
the contracting really.

Speaker 16 (48:13):
Really really right.

Speaker 13 (48:15):
And that involves expertise.

Speaker 17 (48:18):
And talent to make sure the resources there.

Speaker 13 (48:19):
So we're going to do that.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Okay, is this just is a public private partnership? Just
the money? So whenever I talk to Luxon about this,
it's all these equity funds and metservices have got billions
of dollars ready to roll. It's just the money or
is it more than that?

Speaker 17 (48:33):
It's a delivery method. It's basically a procurement method and
what it is is it's a twenty five or thirty
year contract for the delivery of approaching. But the critical
thing about a BPP that goes with the ongoing maintenance
in the asset management, and that's what we're really bad
at in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
And.

Speaker 17 (48:50):
If you take the school PTPs. For example, Labor despite
being opposed to school PTPs, quietly rolled them over and
actually extended the contracts of some of them when they
are in government because that's been so successful. With the schools,
a private partner comes along and builds the school and
then rather than just building something and handing it over
to the ministry or the school to maintain, which you know,

(49:11):
I think anyone listening will know from our school property experience,
the government has done really badly. It's while we have
rotten school buildings all over the country, in a PPP
deliverer of the project and maintains it for twenty five
thirty years. Now we pay for that, so there's an
ongoing maintenance, but that's built into the contract, and there's
an availability payment and a maintenance payment and all of

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those things. But they have to maintain it to specified
performance standards. And anyone who visits the PPP schools that
we have out there now will know that they're really
well maintained. They're very high quality schools. And so you
get what you're paid for, and of you get private
set to innovation and expertise around that rather than having
random people at the Ministry education to it.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Is there still an ideological hurdle to get over because
of course they're clipping the ticket, there's money to be
made from it because they're not doing it for charity.
Is there an ideological hurdle still in this country? You've
still got to convince people that that is a model
that works despite the fact that they are clipping the
ticket and you're sort of privatizing. What's going on?

Speaker 17 (50:08):
Well, I think I think there's a bit of a
myths about TPPS in the sense that a lot of
people think it's the privatization of things.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
It's not.

Speaker 17 (50:14):
It's a delivery method. So the ownership of the asset,
the public asset, remain remains with the crown. This is
not privatization of of things that the government builds. This
is this is actually who does the building and who
does the financing for it, which is just a very
but all of it, at the end of the day
is Crown money and Crown debt and it sits on

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our balance sheet and we have we're we're the owner
of the asset at the end.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Of the day.

Speaker 17 (50:39):
So if you missed out there about it, this is
just a project delivery method. And a procurement method and
it's what you know every other OECD country does. So
you know we're well behind the eight ball when it
comes to the stuff and that's one of the reasons
why our infrastructure is in the poor state that it is.
So this is about bringing New Zealand up to speck
on what other countries. So updating the model and reflecting

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that we haven't done aneath for six years and the
model was last developed in twenty eleven. Putting it out
there to the market. We've got a for word from
the PM and me and a Labor Party for word
as well. It's the market facing document and there's been
a lot of interest in it's been developed in construction
in conjunction with the infrastructure sector. So I think it's
a good step forward.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Good stuff man. Nice to talk Chris Bishop infrastructure and
with us this morning, eighteen minutes away from eight pask camera.
Speaking of infrastructure, they did have a plan to have
eight hundred cameras speed cameras on our state highway network.
They've cut that back to two hundred and fifty. The
eight hundred was going to cost two and a half
billion dollars, which struck us as an astonishing amount of

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money for cameras. You get a camera, you tap it
onto a lamppost. Bob's your uncle right. Wrong. So they've
cut it back and they think it'll come down bill
wise to one point sixty seven seven billion dollars, which
still we've worked it out to be two hundred and
fifty cameras over twenty years, one point six billion dollars.
We've worked it out to be three hundred thousand dollars
a year for a camera. Three hundred thousand dollars a

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year per camera. What's the camera doing. It's doing nothing.
I mean you might have to come along with a
cloth and wipe the lens periodically. You might have a
sort of a maintenance program. You have to scramble up
a ladder or something. I don't know, but three hundred
thousand dollars a year for each and every camera. There's
something not right about those numbers. Seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
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Speaker 2 (52:27):
It'd be thirteen away from it if you missed the
news earlier on John Thune's your new Senate majority leader.
The interesting thing about that is his name is not
Rick Scott. Rick Scott's the Trumper and Elon was campaigning
Tucker Carlson was campaigning hard out as the bloke they
needed to push the Trump agenda through Thoon, wasn't it?

(52:48):
And yet he wins? And here he is.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
We'll make sure that the President and his team have
the tools and support that they need to enforce border
security laws and to remove the violent criminals who are
wreaking havoc in everyone our stays.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
We will work to make.

Speaker 7 (53:02):
America prosperous again by streamlining the bureaucratic machine and overturning
costly Biden harrised regulations. And we will work to restore
American energy dominance, not just our energy security, but energy
dominance which will lower costs and bolster our national security.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Cosky, Well, you're saying the right things for now anyway.
So as regards to the protest in Wellington, we've got
the South Wellington Intermediate School writing to parents saying the
board and school support the hiccoy. What possible connection is
there between a school and a protest that they feel
that they've got the right to go, We as a

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school and a board support it. If you intend to
go to the hiccoy with your children. Please let the
school know their absence will be recorded as justified. It
gets worse the nine NI Primary School. We have decided
that we will attend as a school Tuesday, nineteenth of November.

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This coproper will be history making? In what way? Have
they never seen a protest before? Is this the first protest?
What is the outworking of this protest that will be
different from any other protest on any given day. People
have walked from point A to point B, driven a
lot of it. But for the cameras walked from point

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A to point B, they get to point B, they
go We are here to fill in the blanks and
then they will go home. In what way is that
history making? What will occur as a direct result of
that protest? Answer obviously is nothing, So how is it
history making? The whole school will travel by train, good
luck with that from nine I train station to Wellington permission.

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Slips will be acceptable on the accessible rather accessible on
the school loop. Ap get your flags, voice and walking
shoes ready, and you wonder why we've got problems. David Seymour,
who's been thrashed about the place with us, watched them
in the house yesterday's defending himself. Well, but my god,

(55:13):
it must be hard work. At the moment he says
students will be disadvantaged by missing valuable learning time. It's
sort of not really quite as strong as he should be.
What he should be doing is make it fast, stronger
statement than that. But nevertheless, that's the sort of pushback
you're getting. This will be history making when you're brainwashed
and misled to that extent. What hope our next generation

(55:34):
it's in away from it?

Speaker 1 (55:36):
My costkil breakfast with Alveda Retirement Communities news dogs had.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Been seven away from eight night, one of three for Coldplay.
They claim over one hundred and fifty thousand they're going
to go through the gates by the time it's over.
Not dissimilar number to the the protest over the Harbor Bridge.
I was hearing last night on the news they had
everything from five thousand to eight hundred and fifty thousand. Anyways,
it'd be afternoons as Matt Heath was there and he's
with us. Matt morning, good morning. Did you have any

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of the beads and the glasses? Were you wearing your glasses?

Speaker 13 (56:03):
The three days I put the three d glasses on
and it created love hearts out of the lights. It
was quite spectacular. They also handed out a wrist band
that flashed and was geer located so it would make
words in the crowd like believe in love and such.
It was pretty. It was incredible. Actually, the tech was spectacular.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Did you dance on the dance floor to generate the
power for the concert?

Speaker 13 (56:27):
I didn't generate any power. My carb and footprint of
the concert was huge.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
And.

Speaker 13 (56:33):
Yeah, I didn't help anything at all. But there were
fireworks as well, so hopefully people were jumping up and
down enough to offset those.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Okay, let's get your credential sort of for a concert reviewer.
What is your concert experience? How many concerts you reckon?
You've been to? Roughly?

Speaker 13 (56:45):
I think I've been just thousands of confer all over
the world. I think more than most.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Okay, so you got good cred How many times have
you seen Coldplay?

Speaker 13 (56:56):
One time? Last night was the first time I ever
stand Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
J you know Jason yep. He says he's seen them
six times.

Speaker 13 (57:04):
Six times all around the world or in New Zealand.
How many times they've been to New Zealm? Not sure?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Good question. As a concert. Then from your thousands of
concerts you've gone to, where would you rank this one
having seen them for the first time.

Speaker 13 (57:17):
Look, before I went in there, you know, a new coldplayer,
but and I knew the songs, but I wasn't like
an album listener, go to set snower kind of thing.
And I always found Chris Martin flatly punishable, as you know,
a talented band, but there's sort of a punishable vibe
out of it around him. But after watching that concert,
I'd follow that guy into battle. He's one of the
greatest funt men I've ever seen. He's up there with

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Freddy Mercury and mc jagger and people will be not
believe me until they feed this concert.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Well, hold on when you say mc jagger, because I've
not seen Freddy Mercury. I've seen mc jagger. Mcjaggers not
when you say front man. I'm interested in the bloke
who talks to the audience. Mc jagger doesn't talk to
the audience, but he performs. He's a strutter. So that's
what you're referring to in Martin's case.

Speaker 13 (57:59):
Yeah, well yeah, I mean he's all dancing, all singing,
just the presence it's quite phenomenal. He owns the stadium.
You've got fifty thousand people there. But he owns a Coldplayer,
a band, and they write the songs together. But it
is all about It's all about Christ Yeah, yeah, I
mean great the bass players, phenomenal guy buriment, But yeah,

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it's all about him. He owns the audience in part
of his hands, but also just as a purely put
together spectacle that the show is worth. Even if you
didn't like Coldplay's music, you could just go along and
marvel at the just how it's put together, how it's
front of the show, just the visual feast of.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
It, all brilliant, average age of the audience, it was.

Speaker 13 (58:45):
It was all all ages. It was a four quadrant crowd.
I'm very young to very old male female, it was,
it was, it was everyone, you know what it was.
It was a total feel good experience. I'm a cynical
guy at times, but I have just a huge smile
on my face and at one point even a tear
in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
WHOA would you go again?

Speaker 5 (59:08):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (59:08):
I would definitely go again. I absolutely would.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Okay, you probably got front of tickets. You probably got
you probably got free tickets. How much would you pay?

Speaker 13 (59:18):
I was thinking about that, and I was also standing
there thinking typical of me not to have paid. But
I think it would be worse. I don't know how
much the tickets are because I never paid for tickets.
I would say it would be worth it would be
worth four hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Wow, I don't think they were worth four hundred dollars, don't.
I never pay for tickets. He lives in a different
world from US folks. Matt Heath with Coldplay used for
you in a couple of moments. Then we'll hit the
golf course with Steve Wilkom. You're a news talk zb.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Seven pass Gays. Steve Elka living the dream. Turning to
the Master's Tour has changed his life. Basically, he's been
able to literally he couldn't do as a part of
a younger age. He finished top of the PGA Champions
Tour for a second year. In a row Final tournament
earlier on this week in Phoenix, he finished second to
Bernard Langer. He's one of only seven players who have

(01:00:20):
ever won the overall title more than once. So he's
currently in Mexico for a three day pro emuies with
a Steve Morning.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Good Ronie, Mike, thanks for having me on, not at
all and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
War was congratulations on the season and all that sort
of stuff. Does life feel good?

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:00:34):
It does?

Speaker 14 (01:00:35):
It does.

Speaker 20 (01:00:35):
I mean, you know that obviously the Shwrob Cup it's
a nice bonus at the end of the year to
finish like that. Although I didn't win the golf tournament
that that old guy beat us all, it feels good
to have another Shrub Cup knowing that you know, you've.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Had the consistency, You've play well for a whole year.
So yeah, it's feeling feeling good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
What is it about you, cannsistency? How do I've looked
through your season and where you can't You're you're remarkably
good at being right at the you know, at the
top of the end of the weekend. How do you
explain that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
It's just a number of things.

Speaker 20 (01:01:12):
Obviously, you know, feeling feeling comfortable in the environment, and
you know when you have so many chances to win,
or you're in the top ten and you're kind of
there or thereabouts. You know, it kind of it kind
of wears on you, it gets it gets you know,
week in week out, you're you're you're right there. So
you've got to kind of manage that a little bit.
That those are two big things. But you know, just

(01:01:34):
just the fitness staying staying fit. You know, I'm getting
older and just trying to stay on top of that,
and and just keep the game in good shape.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Just keep doing the things that work for me. There's simple.

Speaker 20 (01:01:45):
There's only you know, two or three things maybe that
consistently working on that keep my game.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
In good shape. So as long as you look after
those are all good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I'm glad you raise that because I watch you a bit.
You look, you're fifty three, Langer as an example of
sixty seven, You've got a real you've got a real
look and a flexibility about you like you work on
it and you're in good shape. How does age fit
into this? Because are you looking to be as you
know good as you are now at sixty seven? I

(01:02:15):
mean there must be chat on the chat, you know,
there must be chat on the circuit about jeez, Bernard,
you're a bit old whatever?

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean if I get to sixty,
I'll be happy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 20 (01:02:25):
But I mean, he really is phenomenal, and I think
it's just what gets me about Bernard Langer is just his.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
His drive to keep playing.

Speaker 20 (01:02:36):
And you know, he still thinks he can win. It's
sixty seven and which he's doing, so, you know, to
have that mentality and the drive to keep doing this
day and day out, it really is phenomenal. So you
know how long I can play, I don't know. It
just staying fit is the biggest thing. And then you

(01:02:56):
know from there the drive is it? How long is
it going to be there? And I think, you know,
if I'm just finishing fortieth to fiftieth in the field
and not having a chance, then it's probably time to
hang up the boots.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
How competitive is it? I mean, so so Bernard wants
to win, You want to win, but I mean, do
you want to win it all costs or of all?
You guys done enough in life, So you've taken it
down a notch and we're actually there to have a
bit of a good time as well.

Speaker 20 (01:03:22):
It's it's still very competitive. I mean, you know, it's
a different vibe out here. But when you get on
the golf course and you get in the heat, and
it gets it gets pretty serious, it really does. You know,
guys want to win, and there's new guys, younger guys,
and I say young at the fifty year old's coming
out from the main tour or wherever. So you know,

(01:03:42):
the competition is just going to get better and healthier
and stronger. So you got to you got to stay
on top of it, and you know, stay stay competitive.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Say fit, how hard do you that's my goal? Anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Of course, how hard do you work? On that side?

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I mean you look like a guy does arties or yoga.
You look flexible, like strong and flexible.

Speaker 20 (01:04:05):
Yeah, just like a whole combination. I mean, you know,
I changed my fitness program all the time. Every six
eight weeks. I'm I'm changing it up. I'm kind of
assessing where I'm at, what the body is doing, and
then work around that. So that part of it's changed
a lot compared to how it was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
But no, I'm not a big pilarates.

Speaker 20 (01:04:25):
Guy or yoga and I just I just you know,
as long as I'm moving well, so you know, mobility, stability,
and then and then the sprink factor, which is more
off season.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Those are three things that you just kind of keep
working on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
What about club head speed? Does that do you notice
a change with age and time and all that sort
of stuff or not?

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Yeah, it catches up with you.

Speaker 20 (01:04:47):
I mean I think Padrick Harrington is is exception to
the rule. You know, there's two or three guys. VJ
has always been, you know, a fast ring of a
club and retief goosen and as sure as things and
new guys come out, there's four or five guys who
have got that natural speed that they've always had. I mean,
eventually they're going to lose it, but Padrag consistently works

(01:05:07):
at it, and it's going to.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Be tough on the body.

Speaker 20 (01:05:08):
I mean, I'm not a big guy, so I don't
focus so much on the speed aspect. I focus more
on the deficiencies, shall we say, just to get the
job done and you know, working on the wedges and
keeping them putting in shape. And but my IWN play
and my efficiency of my game is kind of where
where what I focus on?

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
All right, Okay, hold on, mate, I take a brain
come back with a a couple of minutes with more
from Steve Elka. It is twelve past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Zippy GA champion Stebelka with us out of Mexico this morning.
By the way, with all the success of yours seventeen
sixteen past eight, by the way, with all the success
of yours, do they view you differently now? In other words,
you're now a winner, so you're a guy to be feed.
Do they view that differently?

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Maybe a little bit?

Speaker 20 (01:05:59):
And I hope so, Mike, you know, to have a
little bit of fair factor and there is always good
But I don't I don't see my side as a
as a scary guy and someone who's going to like,
you know, beat your brains out every week. But I
think just you know, knowing that I'm there every week,

(01:06:21):
you know, I give myself a chance from the top
ten or top five or pushing pushing for for you know,
winn in a golf tournament. Then you know, people see
that every week, and you know, if you're getting a
chance and a chance to win and they say your name,
what's you know?

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Hopefully it kind of does a little bit of that.

Speaker 20 (01:06:38):
But I don't think too much about that I'm just
trying to do my thing and you know, try and
try and get a W at.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
The end of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
How do you I don't know if you heard, but
Greg Turner was interviewed about you, and in typical Greg
Turner style, he said, basically, what you've done is taken
an average career, and I thought that was a bit harsh,
an average career and turned it into something quite special.
Do you see it that way or how do you
see it?

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Yeah? Well, actually Turns has been kind of generous.

Speaker 20 (01:07:05):
Actually, I don't even know if it's an average career,
to be honest. You know, I didn't reach that level
that some players did in New zeal like a Frank
Noble or or a great Turner or a Phil Tannery.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
I never quite reached that level. So yeah, it's for me.
It's been a second chance at the champions. So that's
that's how I look at it.

Speaker 20 (01:07:29):
And you know, those don't come wrong very often, so
I feel very thankful for that and just trying to make.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
The most of that second opportunity and just enjoy it
at the same time, you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Know, and can you as enjoyment and easier thing to
achieve when you're not young and going, God, I've got
a win to pay the bills.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:07:50):
Yeah, Well, you know, I was an interview yesterday and
someone asked, you know, what's what's the difference, you know,
or if you're younger, to go back and ask, you
know what, what what would you do differently?

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
And you know, I used to beat myself up a
little bit, you know what I mean, just just trying
to work on the game and get better.

Speaker 20 (01:08:09):
And I just think, you know, I don't do that
as much now, So that's that's that's one big thing
that that helps. You know, you're just just trying so
hard to get better and support your family and things,
and and you know I sometimes just try too hard
and beat myself up.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
And I just don't tend to do that so much anymore.
You know, I think I've matured. It's fifty you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Well, that's what happens that without being too crass about it,
the money must play effect. I mustn't it. At the
end of the day, Once you don't need to play
for money, surely the shoulders swing a little more freely.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 20 (01:08:48):
But even saying that, like, you know, when I come
out on the Champions Tour. You know, I really didn't
have anything.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
You know, it was just for me. It was kind
of go for broke, nothing to lose kind of attitude.

Speaker 20 (01:09:02):
And I didn't know how many years I've got left,
you know, I could have I could have an injury,
or I might not make it on the Champion.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
So that kind of freed me up to play for sure.
But the money's still you know, it's amazing.

Speaker 20 (01:09:16):
I could put my kids through college and university and
do all those things now that I possibly couldn't have.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
So yeah, that certainly helps.

Speaker 20 (01:09:27):
But when we're out there playing, we're you know, as
I said, I'm just trying to get a W and
the and the money's just just a bonus.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Good the schedule and looking at is that about right
for you? Number of tournaments, the amount of time you play,
the amount of time you have off.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 20 (01:09:42):
Now the last couple of years I've kind of played
I think twenty one twenty two, that's been a good number.
You know, maybe in a few years I've scale back
a little bit. You know, I look at the schedule,
I go, well, you know, I'll take that off and
I'll take this off and try and have a good
break somewhere. You're in the middle, and I'm still playing,
you know, twenty two events, so.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
It's still quite a few, and I'd like to scale
that back maybe the next few years.

Speaker 20 (01:10:07):
But I think it's a good number as long as
as long as I'm getting breaks during the year and
a couple of weeks here and there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
But that really helps you live, they tell me in Arizona.
I've been fascinated with Arizona. Is it good for the bones?
I mean, it's a nice dry heat, isn't it. If
you can live anywhere in the world, presumably, is it
the place to live?

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 20 (01:10:28):
I mean for weather obviously year round. I mean it
gets very very hot out here in the desert during
during those summer months. But you know, we've got the
golf courses, we've got the weather, especially this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
Time of year.

Speaker 20 (01:10:40):
It's its idea. We can just it's like groundhole day.
We can go out and practice whenever we want, and
it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
But yeah, we like it here. My wife is English.

Speaker 20 (01:10:50):
We still try to get back there a couple of
times a year, and our kids are all over.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
The place now, so yeah, it's a nice place. To live.
We're trying to you know, balance it all. But yeah,
it's been good to us here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Fantastic. We'll always good to catch up with you. Go well,
have a good Christmas and all of that. And when
you win the shwarp next year, we'll get you back
on and you know, just repeat the exercise.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Sounds like a plan.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
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but it's sale time at about Health Hosking twenty five
or he's sad to pass the news on to you
that especially Wellington listeners. Lindsay yohe one of the great
names of Modernish New Zealand broadcasting, has passed away. Ed
is family home in Richmond. He retired to Richmond, Nelson.
He's passed away at the age of seventy eight. He
was the two ZB breakfast host in Wellington for twenty

(01:12:40):
three years, back in the days we had one ZB, TWOSB,
three ZIB etc. He did that for twenty three years
between nineteen seventy two and nineteen ninety five, and he
was the news. He was the big deal. He was
the big story in Wellington Radio retired to Richmond in
two thousand and one, launched Radio Richmond in twenty sixteen.
You'll know about that if you're in the area. Out
of a caravan played music that he liked. That's what

(01:13:02):
we really all aspired. It wasn't it do stuff we
like on the radio.

Speaker 18 (01:13:06):
I'm just thinking we don't have enough sort of you know,
strictly Willie Nelson slash Paul's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Precisely exactly more think of where we'd be if we
did anyway, So he launched his own radio Station's wife
Jan married for fifty five years. So Wellington listeners will
buzzer bumble. Of course, you had Merv Smith, you had
Lindsay yoh, you had Pat Courtney, you had Neil Collins,
Colin Layman, if you want to go into Dunedin as well, big, big,

(01:13:33):
big personalities back in the days when radio in this
country was more localized than it is now. So our
our condolences and best wishes to the Yo family. As
far as the protest is concerned, here's a little bit
of information you won't have picked up on Eru Carpa Kinney.
He's the organizer of this particular protest ERU carpa Key

(01:13:54):
who is he? Well, he's ninth on the Murray Party list.
His mum is an MP's Carpakey Maddiameto. She won the
te tay Takara seat. Anyway, given he was ninth on
the list and they didn't get nine people into parliament,
Ire found himself as a parliamentary staffer. He's a senior

(01:14:14):
research advisor for his mother. So that's that's good to
know that that's how it works. So currently he is
on taxpayer funded incomes while carrying out the protest, so
we're all paying for it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Rod in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Britain in a moment Nigel Farage, it was quite a
funny line from Kiyo Stamer. Nigel Farage was back in
the Commons. And I'll tell you more about that in
just a couple of moments after the news which is
next there news talk.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Zb setting the news agenda and digging into the issues
the Mic Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real Estate your local
experts across residential, commercial and rural to be.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Do you think that anyone will ever be held to account?
I mean last year was bad enough, but this year
is fantastically funny. Eliev, who's the president of Azerbaijan, stood
as I'm sure you were aware of you're following this
at COP twenty nine stood up yesterday and he said
oil and gas is a gift from God. And I thought,
good on you, that's brilliant. What idiot decided that going

(01:15:22):
to an oil rich nation that takes crap from nobody
was going to think this was going to be a
love fest for saving the planet. And that's before you
got to the person who was running the whole COP
twenty nine on behalf of Azerbaijan, busy doing oil deals
in the background. I mean, it's the funniest thing. No
one's there. It's sort of reached peak idiocy. No one's there.

(01:15:42):
No one of any significance is there whatsoever apart from
u um Kiyostama, who turns up and he promises to
cut a missions yet again, by even larger amounts than
he previously had. Of course, none of which will come
to pass. Speaking of which, twenty two.

Speaker 8 (01:15:55):
To nine International Correspondence Quid ends an eye insurance mine
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
Yes on little money mite, good morning, nice of you
to nice to hear you mentioning Ka it always cheers
me up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Does anyone take him seriously on that stage? Given literally
the Americans aren't there, the Chinese aren't there, the Indians
aren't there, most of Europe isn't there. And he turns
up and goes, oh, don't worry, here's some more targets
for us to wayne for and miss No.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
No, nobody takes them seriously at all. But they are
heavily invested in nets zero and all the various other
things which will which will make sure no one ever
re elects themsoever in five years time, you know, with
Ed miliband as as our Secretary of State for publishing
the Working Class for living. Yeah, but using gat and

(01:16:48):
you know it is an absurdity and he should realize
it's an absurdity at least David Cameron, well, he went
green in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, suddenly later decided get
rid of all the green.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Stuff exactly, speaking of which I mentioned on the program
the other day at Peche who are up in the
North Sea looking for gas and oil basically handed in
the license and say we're off. That windfall text you
guys have that was introduced by the Conservatives up to
and extended brother. Likely it's at seventy eight percent. Who

(01:17:25):
wants to do business tax?

Speaker 5 (01:17:29):
Why would you do any business? It's it's a disincentive
to to do stuff which will bring us cheap energy
and be also creative company which is doing well. Nobody
will do it. And this is always a problem with
windfall taxes. There's a kind of tranche of the population
which thinks that a windfall tax of any rate whatsoever

(01:17:51):
is applicable to big businesses because they're evil. Well, it's
that level of rationale that is in play here, and
of course it doesn't work. It just doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
So to justin Welby, I've got to say I was
moderately surprised because when the story broke and the pressure
was building, I thought, is he the sort of bloke
that would quit? And I thought I decided he probably
wouldn't be. And yet bing he's gone.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
Well he's gone because stuff came in from the government
and also from the Bishop of Newcastle, who is quite
high up in the hierarchy, saying he's going to go. No,
I didn't think he would go initially either. I'm not
sure how much he is to blame. He is basically

(01:18:39):
just In Welby, the head of the Anglican Church, is
a bureaucrat, and he did what all bureaucrats do, which
is when trouble raises its head, tries to ignore it
and looks the other way. And that's what he did
on this occasion with the pervert John Smith, whose crimes
were pretty appalling, to be absolutely honest. But I don't

(01:19:02):
know that he will be much mourned, you know, and
he should be grateful to be leaving with a pension
and his head still attached to his shoulders, given what
we've done to previous archbishops of Canterbury who've enraged us
in some way.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Do they post the results, do post the report? Do
they do what many people ask for and go, you know,
delve into it and see where it was, how big
it was, what they can do any of them or not.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
Yeah, there will be some of that, and I don't
think that Wellby will come out terribly guilty. I mean,
most of the guilt lies with the church in the
seventies and eighties, who clearly knew this was going on
but did nothing to stop it whatsoever. And it's the
same sort of thing that we've seen with the Catholic

(01:19:50):
Church as well, both in Ireland and in the UK
and across the world. But there's a bigger issue, which
is at time after time choose to be Archbishop of Canterbury,
someone from a liberal elite and well be you know,
educated in Eden, used to work for the oil companies.
Now thinks oil companies are ghastly, talks more about asylum

(01:20:13):
seekers and poverty than he does about Jesus Christ and God.
And as a consequence, since two thousands a year two thousand,
the Anglican Church, the Church of England in the UK
has gone down from nine hundred thousand congregation average congregation
to around about five hundred thousand to day. I mean,

(01:20:35):
it's in a pitiful state, and it's being outflanked by
the churches which really do talk about God, such as
the Pentecostalists, who are raising their numbers every year. It's
been calamitous. We are seeing, you know, we are seeing
the dissolution of our established church in front of our eyes,

(01:20:59):
very very quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
I think that's true. Speaking of Keir Starmer, I liked
his line for Farage. He said, you see, he was
surprised to see Farash in the Commons and said, you
spend so little time here, I thought you'd show up
in the immigration numbers, which I thought was quite good.

Speaker 5 (01:21:15):
And un characteristically brilliant observation. And it's a real problem
for Reform because basically without Nigel Farag's Reform are kind
of nothing. They have Nigel Faraj at the moment, but
only until he becomes bored and you know, heads off

(01:21:36):
to the US to hang out with his friend Donald
Trump or to do something else. I mean, he's resigned
the leadership of UKIP or whatever party he's been in
so many times we've lost count Uh is he going
to be content to be the MP for Clacton and
look after missus Smith's complaints about the local post office

(01:21:58):
and all that kind of stuff, or is he going
to wish to play his life out on a bigger stage.
And one always suspects that it's the latter of those two,
and so Starmer's comment was very acute and very astute
both of them, and it really is a problem for Reform.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Nice to see you, mate, we'll catch up next week.
Rod little out of the UK for us this morning. Yeah,
I do have time. Sixteen minutes away from Nine's getting
reference earlier on to the business of the media and
the ongoing angst around the world as to what they
can and can't do. And I was telling you about
Meta and they produce their prices for European customers on
Facebook and Instagram as a result of regulation. Well, we've

(01:22:41):
got the guy ah now, Bernard Arneau, who is the
head of LVMH, one of the richest men in the world.
He's in a court battle currently with Elon Musk, who
you know, supported by Le Figaro and LeMond newspapers in France.
Of course they're going to be hearing this particular case
in next May. But there's a rule about from the

(01:23:01):
judicial court, the rule that X had two months to
provide commercial data to the group of French publishers. They
had not complied with the decision, thus amounting to its
invariable desire to evade its legal obligations. What are their
illegal obligations? The legal obligations are they didn't pay for
information that they allegedly took from these publications and stuck

(01:23:22):
on there. It's the old if you take the information,
you've got to pay for it argument. It's just another
version of it. We talked to the Prime Minister hear
about it. The legislation is stuck, it's gone, it might
be back, it might not be. In Australia, they've got
troubles as well. Canada has been a complete nutter shambles.
These two gentlemen are going to go at it in Paris.
So it's an ongoing issue all over the world, played

(01:23:44):
out in various individual ways. A forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
The like asking Breakfast full show podcast on I have
radio powered by news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
That be meant to mention this earlier but toddy. A
couple of weeks ago, the Canadians were all on strike
again and that was going to cause major problems because
a lot of stuff that goes through Canada ends up
in America, and America doesn't like stuff not arriving in
their doorstep anyway. So the Labor Minister in Canada stepped
in and used, for the second time this year, has
federal power. They had Ports of Vancouver, Prince Rupert, Montreal

(01:24:15):
were on strike. This five hundred and seventy let's call
it half a billion. Half a billion in container trade
arrives daily in the US from Canada. Half a billion
per day. The rail cross border trade between Canada and
the US account of for fourteen percent of total bilateral
trade in the first half of the year, so it's
a big deal. So the negotiations went nowhere. Section one

(01:24:37):
oh seven of the Canada Labor Code you can order
binding arbitration to end the labor dispute. They did that. Also.
You might remember the Canadian Pacific Kansas City people in
the Canadian Rail Company, so they did it for the
rail They've done it for the port. So they're run
back at work. Quick question for you around yesterday. Didn't
get any coverage. It should have got more. But the
new chair of FARMC, which is a woman called Paula
Bennett who did other stuff that you'll know about in

(01:24:59):
another life, they disestablished at FARMEK the Mari Advisory Group.
So they had a Mari Advisory group because of course,
when you're buying pills and potions for people on behalf
of the taxpayer, it's very important you have individual representation.
That's why they've got a female advisory group, a male
advisory group, a tall person's advisory group, immigrant advisory group,

(01:25:20):
a refugee advisory I hang on, none of those, just
got a Mari advisory group. So they disestablished that and
everyone went, oh ay for here they want to put
more focus on the other partnership arrangements already in place.
Are there other partnership arrangements already in place? Indeed there are.
There are four Maori health professional bodies they deal with,
so not only did they have a MARI advisory group,

(01:25:42):
they had four other Maori groups as well to deal with,
thus adding up to five Maori groups to deal with? Questioners,
how many MARI groups do you need before Marie is satisfied?
Nine away from nine The.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
The new Air New Zealand safety video. Interesting that they've
put a front person who put money before country. It's
another rubbish waste of three and a half minutes of
my already overpriced airfare. Thank you, David. I've not seen it.
It got released this morning, as I'm told, who do
we decide to start? But was it Adams? Stephen Adams
and Valerie Adams? Was it Stephen and Value Adams? Interesting

(01:26:23):
branding exercise in the sense that in New Zealand's got
a lot of image problems at the moment with engines
that stuck a lot of stuff isn't their fault on time, arrivals, departures,
number of planes, they haven't got, prices, affairs generally affecting
airlines all over the world. And I think a general sense,
and this is just from a punter's point of view,
a general sense that a lengthy, allegedly entertaining video is

(01:26:46):
somehow what you want when you get on the plane.
And I just wonder if I was sitting on the
board of Air New Zealand, I'd be saying something just
before we break for morning tea. Can I just offer
the idea that it's probably run its course?

Speaker 18 (01:26:59):
Do you ever feel like you're watching it sitting there
or trying not to watch it, that the plane's actually
taking off later just because of the length of that video.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I arrived once and it hadn't even finished five minutes
away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
But I've got a documentary on yacht rock. You heard me.
It's called Music Box yacht Rock, a docudc K you,
Emmy and tr something rather you know, I listen it rocks,
but it doesn't work too hard.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
The singers are seem to be saying, Hey, it's gonna
be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
It's perfect sitting down.

Speaker 19 (01:27:45):
Dancing music also known as yak rock.

Speaker 8 (01:27:50):
La.

Speaker 18 (01:27:51):
In the nineteen seventies, it was an amazing time.

Speaker 7 (01:27:53):
There's these really talented session guys who can play anything, Dan,
the Doobie Brothers.

Speaker 16 (01:27:59):
Toto, Kenny lygen Is, Christopher, christ Mate mcdonnald.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
The video killed the Radioster. I think it was just
absolutely true.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
In my case.

Speaker 16 (01:28:10):
Top forty career is having natural land.

Speaker 14 (01:28:12):
They're always doing, always well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
I expected to be totally forgotten by the end of
the edies. That's what a full believes, Kenny, That's what
That's what a full believes. It's about twenty nine November.
I quite like the sound of It's on HBO Max,
which will be one of those things. I don't even
want to go there. You can watch it on Sky. Eventually.
I went to yesterday having told you about the who

(01:28:35):
was It that's expanding neon no Prime Video Prime Video.
So I went there yesterday and I looked at all
the options, including Yummy roll and all of those. Then
I was about to go on to the doc pod
and I was just about to hit doc pod and subscribe.
Katie went and I was going to do the seven
day trial seven day free trial, and just as I

(01:28:56):
hit hit go, she went, when you're gonna watch it?
And I don't know why. She goes, well, the seven
day starts immediately. Do you have time to watch it
over the next I went, oh damn. And then I see, actually,
I've got time over the weekend. I'll be able to
watch it over the weekend. And she goes, and then
how do you unsubscribe? And then I went down to
the big long list on the screen of all the

(01:29:16):
things you have to do to unsubscribe, and we looked
at each other because we're in the snug, of course,
and we looked at each other on the sofa and
the snug, and we went, we're not going to caught
down that trap.

Speaker 18 (01:29:26):
So have you figured out how to addsubscribe from Sky now?

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Right, So we're learning our lessons slowly. So we didn't
subscribe to anything new yesterday, So that's good work. That's
good that we hosting Hawksbies Banking tomorrow. Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
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