Full Show Podcast: 15 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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worst pasking Welcome to Friday. Seven minutes past six. Battle
of the dueling responsibilities is unfolding before our eyes, and

(00:33):
I can't work out whether it's all going to end
in Tso. On one hand, the local government minister is
off to Cabinet with his rates cap plan for councils.
Average rate rises almost ten percent, Inflation isn't It's not
good enough. They're out of control and Wellington's going to
do something about it. Good good, good good. But then
we have local water done well, the new government's replacement
for three waters. You can buddy up with a group

(00:55):
of councils and areas, or you can go it alone.
Gisbon District for example, has decided to go it alone.
Is that a good idea? Well not, according to internal
Affairs who've written to them having seen their plans. They've
also written to five other councils with similar ideas and gone,
you don't seem to have the capacity and wherewithal to
pull this off. So what if they're right? What if
they don't and the whole thing goes tits up? How

(01:17):
is it? A central government, on one hand is setting
the rules of engagement on rates for fear of things
getting out of control, yet letting counsels who their own
people are suggesting aren't up to it loose on water
infrastructure that may well end up putting them in the poorhouse.
It's that complex angsty line. I guess between freedom and control,
local and central Where is that line drawn? So if
you don't trust them on rates, is water so simple

(01:40):
and cheap and easy they should be fine? Then you
get to the bit about voters and local democracy. Gisbren
claimed they've consulted and the community is behind them. That
almost certainly isn't true, given the consultation will have involved
the usual handful of those actually interested, as opposed to
the vast majority who wouldn't be remotely aware or care until,
of course, it all goes wrong, at which point that
were hell to pay. So who's right central government getting

(02:01):
control of the out of control or letting the out
of control debbil elsewhere and going into it with a
red flag. There seems a stark inconsistency and approach from
the Capitol because both approaches can't be right.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
News of the World in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Has Alaska ever had more attention paid to it than
this week? Putin set to go.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
I want to tell you about the stage we're out
of the current American administration, which, as everyone knows, is making,
in my opinion, quite energetic and sincere efforts to stop
the hostilities.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Formernito heavy whites. He's good things.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Donald Trump loves just being the dominating figure on the
media stage, so he's loving it, I'm sure. But as
far as as President Putin is concerned, I take note
of the fact that he said in mutual interest of
all parties, which I think is very important.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Anna, who is Ukrainian and a refugee and somehow ended
up in Alaska, is not so up.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
I hope said President Trump will be able to have
some positive influence, but I just don't know if that
will be passable.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
I just have to hope they have Jim.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
The other one, the Israeli financed Minister, not quite so
keen as others, like a strainer on this two state things.

Speaker 7 (03:13):
Let's be fair. If a personian state is established, it'll
be a dictatorship with no human rights, no freedom and
no democracy. You'll throw homosexuals from the roof. We offer
them an economic and civic future filled with civil and
democratic rights.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
In a couple of things in Britain, one the GDP
numbers came out.

Speaker 8 (03:31):
The numbers are welcome and importantly GDP per person is
also up, so that means more money in the pockets
of working people.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
We've got a slow in growth picture.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Now why has that happened?

Speaker 6 (03:43):
That's because of what the government has done.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Then they'll both be right, I'll tell you in a moment.
And two the A labels came out for those who failed.
The reminder from the top Sixcess is just a state
of mind.

Speaker 8 (03:53):
If you've got what you've needed to move on to
the next step in your journey, that's fantastic. But if
you haven't, there's lots of support and advice that's available
either from your school or college, but also through UCASS
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Career Service.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Finally, also in the UK, we've got a council backtracking
on the fat tax for burial plots. This was in Wolverhampton.
The idea was to charge twenty percent extra for people
who needed a six foot wide grave rather than a
five fitter cities obcently rates thirty three percent, let's compared
to the national average of twenty five. There was of
course a big pushback. It's an extra twenty seven hundred quid.
So anyway, that back down. Interestingly does a third of

(04:29):
the twenty seven local authorities in the West Midlands alone
who charge more for a wide a grave. Near's the
world in ninety Yeah, those numbers they both write. Actually
the GDP. So the UK economy expanded zero point three
percent April to June. This is slowing from zero point seven.
So the Tories are right, it is slowing, But the
Government is right it exceeded expectation. They only thought it

(04:51):
would be zero point one. So you can both be right.
You can do anything with numbers twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
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Speaker 9 (05:03):
How of my news talks, it'd be.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Here we go. Have they finally arrived? Producer prices fastest
pace of increase in more than three years. Last month
the price into zero point nine June to July after
previously being flat. It's all on the tariff, so maybe
they finally landed. Fifteen past six from JMI Wealth Andrew
Kelleher Good Friday morning, Mollie, Mike, and I suppose this

(05:29):
tells us why so many people have left for Australia.
There are there are.

Speaker 10 (05:32):
Jobs, There are jobs, interesting numbers actually, so lots of key.

Speaker 11 (05:35):
He's heading across the Tasman at the moment.

Speaker 10 (05:37):
And there are always many reasons, I guess, but these
healthier sort of employment prospects seem to be one of
the key drivers, you know, more job opportunities, prospects of
higher wages.

Speaker 11 (05:46):
So what is the state of the AUSSI employment market?

Speaker 10 (05:48):
Well, they released the numbers yesterday, the Australian Bureau of Statistics,
their unemployment rate. Mike, it fell, it's going the other
direction here, but it fell from four point three to
four point two. As a reminder, we're in we're in
the fives now, hopefully not moving too much higher, so
employment moving a different direction across in the two places.

Speaker 11 (06:08):
So their employment numbers lifted.

Speaker 10 (06:10):
Twenty four and a half thousand people into jobs. That
is quite a big rebound from the previous month. These numbers,
by the way, Michael all bang on expectations. They're not
outside of expectations. But actually what's interesting here sixty and
a half thousand increase number of people increase in full
time jobs, which was offset by quite a hefty fall
in part time jobs. For people moving from part time

(06:32):
to full time. The participation rate was steady at sixty
seven percent. Look May June, it had looked like employment
was softening quite markeably in Australia, and I think the
view is that the employment market is moderating and economists
are expecting unemployment rate to continue drifting higher. But this
kind of has put a little bit of a spanner

(06:53):
in the works. Underemployment at five point nine percent. The
other interesting number we've talked a bit about being a
tough market for young PEP people.

Speaker 11 (07:00):
Here that looks like it's also the case in Australia.

Speaker 10 (07:03):
The youth unemployment rate over there nine point eight percent,
now better than it was in June. It's over ten
percent in June, but still much higher than the general
observation the general population. Yeah, probably causes a little bit
of a momentary rethink about the future path of RBA policy.
I would say now November probably being seen as the
likely next move lower in the RBA cash rate. Sumple

(07:25):
had thought it might be earlier than that, but there's
probably a bit of a rethink there now.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Vista, which you introduced us to on this program a
number of years ago. I distinctly remember it. Let me
ask you this question that they see from what I
read yesterday, they seem to be doing quite well, but
they're still losing money.

Speaker 10 (07:41):
Yeah, although there's a bit of a seasonality here as well.
So yeah, let's talk about Vista Group and actually looking
at the share price that's shifted lower this week, is
down around eight and a half percent, which causes you
can look at it and actually that shift started before
the half year announcement yesterday.

Speaker 11 (07:55):
So an interesting insight YEA to invest a psyche, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (07:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (07:58):
As you say, we've talked about them before. They're listed
on the ins and X New Zealand business with very.

Speaker 10 (08:03):
Much a global footprint, so it provides software for cinema
complexes all around the world and basically everything runs on
software now, doesn't it. So business reported eleven percent revenue growth,
which seems pretty good. So cinema is not dead. Box
office go actually going quite well at the moment. Two
highlights I think have been Lelo and Stitch and Minecraft.
I don't know if you went along to those money,

(08:23):
but no. I saw Minecraft and it was two hours
of my life I'll never get back. I'm reporting lots
of demand from that global customer base. The biggest cinema
operators are all in there, a lot of demand for
their new cloud product, and this is one of the
issues they got here because it means they're having to
hire more people to help that trend, help transition customers
into that new product, and that's increasing costs in the

(08:45):
short term. So yes, first half losing money there, but
guides for full year results are probably the issue here
because they're looking at being at the lower end of
previous estimates, so below investor expectations. Despite the revenue growth,
despite it expanding margins, despite the governmntuming client signings, and expectations.
Mike always important in terms of short term price moves.

Speaker 11 (09:07):
In this case, it's weighing on their share price.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Please tell me the numbers.

Speaker 10 (09:11):
I will I will just go PPI number I think
you mentioned before that's quite interesting. There might because you
know the CPI number earlier this week was quite benign,
and this is actually you think there's some concern now
that these PPI numbers are going to drift into a
c pence of CPI. So bit of a rethink on inflation. Yes,
the numbers. The Doubt Jones is down one hundred and
seventeen points a quarter of a percent, forty four thousand,

(09:33):
eight hundred and five, the S and P five hundred
down three points so small six four sixty three, and
the Nasdaq down twenty five points. When I looked, down
point one one percent twenty one thousand, six hundred and
eighty nine. The forty one hundred O Night gained small
twelve points point one three percent nine one seven seven.
The NICK gave back some of the gains from this week,

(09:54):
down one point four to five percent forty two thousand,
six hundred and forty nine. The Shanghai Composite downh percent,
ish point four six percent three six six six the
Aussie's yesterday hit. Now here's an interesting statistic for you, Mike.
The Australian market gained point five to three percent yesterday,
which is exactly the same number as the New Zealand
mic which also gained point five three percent. That was

(10:16):
forty seven points for the ASEX two hundred and sixty
eight points for the NZEX fifty closed.

Speaker 11 (10:21):
Twelve eight hundred and thirty four.

Speaker 10 (10:22):
Keep we doll a little bit weak at point five
nine one four against the US, point nine to one
one oh against the Aussie, point five oh eight three
euro point four to three.

Speaker 11 (10:29):
Seven one pounds eighty seven point four.

Speaker 10 (10:31):
Five against the Japanese again gold three thousand, three hundred
and thirty eight dollars and Brent Cruis edged up a
little bit sixty six dollars and seventy one cent.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm the most excellent we can. We'll see next week.
Andrew Kelleher Jmiwealth dot co dot n ZSK just on
the American team. I gave you the the the price
index and the tariffs and all that sort of stuff.
The Port of Los Angeles, which has been going for
one hundred and seventeen years as everybody freaked out about
tariffs and front loaded. They had never seen anything like
it in the numbers of and they handled more than

(11:01):
one million twenty foot equivalent units for July alone, the
busiest ever month in one hundred and seventeen years at
the Port of Los Angeles, Sex twenty Here at news
Talk set about a weird gas.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
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Speaker 9 (11:22):
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Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, the water is interesting. Start of the show with
a Mike Towering a council this morning meeting at eight
to try and reverse their decision made last week to
keep the water in house. They're looking to go multi council.
Towner Renu's doing the same thing. I'll work you through
toal Reneui later on because that's a particularly good example democracy.
We like to follow it Bolivia. They're heading towards their
general election. The place is a mess. The inflations at

(11:46):
twenty four percent gas production. Huh where if we heard that?
Before falling natural gas production, they used to make a
lot of money out of the gas production. There's a
shortage now of US dollars as well, so that means
that everything they bring into the country is more expense
of the petrol, the diesel, the food. It's all going
through the roof some petrol stations, lorry drivers and Bolivia
having to wait more than twenty four hours to fill up.

(12:07):
So the place is slightly shambolic. Now, the two people
who are leading the Poles at the moment, one's called Samuel,
the one's called Julhey, they were both sent to right,
which is of note because the place has been run
by the center left, and of course they've stuffed it.
So you've got a couple of center rights going head
to head. There's a whole bunch of candidates, but the
two favorites are the center right. Jorge, by the way,

(12:28):
was president for a little time at the turn of
the century. Anyway, it's the usual thing. They'll have a vote,
no one will get fifty percent, and if no one
gets fifty percent, they'll go for a second round on
the nineteenth of October. So if you follow these things,
democracy is always fascinating to follow. Six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
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Speaker 2 (13:55):
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vast majority the filming was done when he was with
Kim Kardashi and you heard her voice in there. So
I was between Karne's cameras and Kim's cameras. There's a
lot of cameras in the lounge, isn't it. I mean,
you wouldn't know whose film crew was in the lounge
with you. For goodness sake. Anyway, Nico says it's out
September nineteen in quote unquote thousands of cinemas around the world,

(14:19):
So that's maybe true, maybe it's not. He wouldn't know.
You might end up watching it on YouTube. A lot
of people have been writing to me overnight, teachers saying
what Judith Colin said on the program yesterday about one
hundred and forty seven thousand dollars is untrue, is it? They?
It's interesting how this thing is broken down. It is
an interesting insight into how unions work and why I've

(14:40):
never been part of one. Because we crunched the numbers overnight,
we looked at how this is structured, and we will
present to you the full picture this morning in our
ongoing series of was Judith correct or not? Which obviously
I just made up before we do that we'll do
some beef and lamb stuff. We got members this whole
Tree v Stock debate on farmland in this country, new

(15:03):
numbers on how many cows and how many shit we got.
Have a look at this after the news, which is next.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
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Speaker 2 (15:18):
The last good with Richard Arnold shortly twenty three to seven. Meantime,
back here got the annual Beef and Land stop number
surveyors for the year ending in June. A lot of
debate and interest these days. As we were talking about
this yesterday on the program stop numbers, export opportunities. Sheep
numbers fell one percent, cattle up four point four. It's
the old tree v Animal debate. Of course. Kate Eckland
is the Beef and Lamb New Zealand chair and it's
back with us Kate morning to you, holy what the

(15:41):
sheep side of one percent?

Speaker 9 (15:42):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Either here there is that deliberate or just you know,
how nature you know plays.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
It look to be honest to me that it's better
than we were accepting. And I think what we've seen
as one of those drought stricken areas from last year
at the top of the North Island, Top of the
South Island was particular daily a six by drought. So
we've seen a bit of a rebuild in those areas
because numbers are really strong, but you know, worryingly, the
breeding new numbers are down by almost two percent, and

(16:09):
that's on top of some really chunky declines over the
last few years.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
So what's driving that is that the economy is it exports,
is it trees?

Speaker 9 (16:17):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (16:19):
It's absolutely trees. So it continued a forestation and some
of those big traditional sheep areas like Southland and lights
of Lower North Island has really driven move out of sheep.
And it's a real problem because ship prices are phenomenally
good at the moment and I think if we didn't
see that pressure from carbon forestry, we would be seeing

(16:42):
a much stronger rebuild.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Right, So, how then do you explain the increase in
cattle at four point four of trees are the problem?

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Well, some of the areas, particularly east coast of the
North Island that were really weather affected, had some very
very chunky drops in the last couple of years, you know,
up with the ten. So it's just that rebuild that
we were talking about, which is a really positive thing
for the sector. So you know, on the whole, it's
a mixed bag, not terrible, but you're not entirely positive,
particularly on the sheep side.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I'm pleased to hear what you said about sheep because
beef gets all the headlines at the moment with burgers
in America and all that sort of things. So lamb
is still good.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
Lamb is really good at the moment, but you know,
acknowledge it's been a challenging couple of years in the
sheep game, but at the moment, and you know, the
outlook for the next year or two is really good.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
And also dairy gets the headlines obviously a lot these days.
If you're a beef farmer or a sheep farmer, are
you as bullish as the dairy operator.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Look, things are pretty positive at the moment, yep, And
I think most of New Zealand is not just a
beef farmer or a sheep farmers. A two go really
well together. So beef stales get the international headlines, but
sheep is right up there with it.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
See, we had fit farmers on there yesterday, and I
can't work it out if I own a farm and
somebody offers me money for that land and they're going
to plant some trees versus do some sheep. You know,
who has anybody to tell me what to do with
my place?

Speaker 5 (18:09):
No, I mean it is a real challenge property rights.
But we need to think about the long term what
we want and what's best for New Zealand. And what's
happening at the moment is easy use settings are just
driving these perverse incentives to plant trees, but it's not
actually a great outcome for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
No, your view of what the government is doing is
what in the ETS space.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
So the changes they've come up with, you know, we
support the intent of what they're trying to do, which
is to put some limits around carbon farming, but we
don't think it's going to go far enough. Unfortunately, we
think we'll still continue to see up to a million
hectares planters of good sheep and beef land by twenty fifty.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Are they hearing you, do you think? Or are they
settled in their view?

Speaker 5 (19:01):
Look, we're trying to continue to engage, but at this point.
I think they do seem fairly fixed that what they've
proposed for solved problem. And you know, look to be
very clear, this is not about forestry. Forestry is a
really important exporter in a for New Zealand, but Carlan
Forestry different. Yeah. Absolutely, So you know we can't we

(19:23):
can't double exports if we can't do all of our
good she can be far land and trees.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
All right. It's a fascinating deboat. Okay, I appreciate Ekla Kateklin,
who's the beef and Lamb New Zealand Chair, probably raise
it with the Prime Minister on Monday on the program
Richard Next nineteen to two.

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Make domestic retail pricing of lamb is out the gate
anywhere between sixty to eighty fiber leg at the shelf.
Who can afford that for a Sunday row Steve. It's
fair point. But it's not domestic pricing. There's no mystic pricing.
It's international pricing. It's butter all over again. If you
can sell your leg internationally for X number of pounds
rex number of euros, rex number of American dollars, you're
not going to make it cheaper domestically, are you.

Speaker 18 (21:10):
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peace of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 13 (21:16):
Good little, very.

Speaker 9 (21:17):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 19 (21:18):
Good one.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Alaska is go yep.

Speaker 19 (21:21):
And score a couple of successes for Rosius Putin even
before the start of this summer. Tomorrow, Putin gets to
stand alongside the American president on US soil, first time
this has occurred since Russia invaded Ukraine. The White House
says there will also be a joint news conference after
this thing with the two leaders taking part. So that's
what another point for Putin. Trump just said it a

(21:42):
news briefing. It's not, but yeah, it certainly looks that way.
Many will recall the Helsinki summit in twenty eighteen, when
Trump stunned a lot of people in his own team
by openly backing Putin's denial of interference in the US elections.
Trump slammed his own intelligence officials at the time and
agreed with the former KGB, and it was all pretty shocking.
How this will play out tomorrow, Well, we'll see. Trump

(22:05):
is jocking with the expectations. But says a Putin in
a Fox radio interview today.

Speaker 12 (22:10):
I believe now he's convinced that he's going to make
a deal.

Speaker 20 (22:13):
He's going to make a feel.

Speaker 12 (22:14):
I think he's going to and.

Speaker 20 (22:16):
We're going to find out. I'm going to know very quickly.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
But there is a twenty five percent.

Speaker 20 (22:19):
Chance that this meeting.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Will not be a successful meeting.

Speaker 19 (22:22):
Well, it would be great if it is. But again
Putin is playing the game and praising Trump. He is
Putin through a translator.

Speaker 7 (22:28):
This American administration, which, as everyone knows, is making, my opinion,
quite energetic and sincere efforts to stop the hostilities.

Speaker 19 (22:37):
Trump is making sincere and energy efforts for peace, says Putin. Well,
Trump now is suggesting that there might be a second
meeting with Putin, and that perhaps Ukraine Zelensky could join
in this time.

Speaker 12 (22:48):
The second meeting is going to be very, very important.

Speaker 7 (22:52):
This meeting sets up it's like a chess game.

Speaker 19 (22:55):
This meeting sets up the second meeting. But there have
been no Ukraine compromises by Russia that we've heard of
Russia wants to add other items to the gender as
well of Russians to tossing in things like nuclear weapons
limitations and economic relations. Former US Ambassador to Ukraine Steve
Pifer says there is a need, certainly for nuclear weapons

(23:16):
progress right now.

Speaker 16 (23:18):
The new Strategic Arms Reductions Treaty which are signed back
in twenty ten, it expires twenty twenty six, but that
truty has been suspended at least in terms of observance
of the verification measures, first by Russia and then Russia.
When Russia did not restore observants of those measures, then
the United States also.

Speaker 19 (23:36):
So if they could do something about that, it would
certainly be a plus. However, if the only thing that
comes from this is Russia being well closer into the fold,
or if Trump was signed on to any Russian calls
on US dealings with Ukraine, it would certainly worsen the
war and widen the rift with the Europeans.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I found these numbers fascinating, Richard, I mean, was it
fifty four? I think? I mean, it's incredible how few
people drink alcohol compared to who speak in these days,
isn't it?

Speaker 9 (24:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (24:01):
I find it compelling too. I've got to say, I
don't see this around being in the folks. I know, Mike,
there's still a lot of boozing that goes on. But
are you Gallup Polk confirms what you've just been saying
that alcohol has hit a new low in this country.
Just fifty four percent of Americans saying they drink alcohol.
That's one point below the previous record low, which was
set in nineteen fifty eight. Don't know why that was
the year, so why Well, it's largely in these health studies,

(24:24):
so they say, plus the new products and trends. You
think of low alcohol beer and mocktails of cocktails, although
margarite are still pretty done popular in as part of Gallifornia.
You got to tell you the change in drinking habits
is most apparent among younger people. Two thirds of young
folks say they think drinking, even in moderation is harmful.
Then we have societal changes like dry January or sober

(24:46):
October and all that stuff. Gallops also suggests that people
are not replacing alcohol with other drugs like marijuana. My
use has been fairly steady through the years, so big
change from when I was a kid. Got to say,
when I first started immediate one went at a pub
for lunch, most drank experience, and if you even asked
for wine, well, folks would think you were gay.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Richard arnoldback on Monday, by the way, speaking of drinks,
the Bureau of Labor Statistics in that part of the world,
coffee is up fourteen point five percent. It is going
up so fast. They were talking to somebody at Bethney's
coffee shop in Nebraska who's only put their coffee prices
up three percent because they're waiting for their new menus
to be printed. Because the price has changed so quickly
they can't the printers can't.

Speaker 11 (25:27):
Keep up with it.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
So that's the tariffs once again for you, E J.
And Tony. By the way, who's the bloke that Trump
nominated the other day for the Labor Statistics Department. He's
not actually qualified for the job. It turns out God
is a doctorate five years ago, no publications or citations
of note, no experience with large public surveys, no research
about survey methodology, no history of managing large organizations. There's
two thousand people in the Bureau, so we'll see how

(25:51):
he got out the qualified as RFK to be the result.
That's what they're pointing out in the article is like
and he's just another completely unqualified a point the Spirit Airlines,
by the way, I told you about what do I
tell you about? Was that AOL's turning off this week.
I told you about Kodek about to go bust. Spirit
Airlines as announced overnight they're probably not going to make
it either. So it's a lot falling over Stateside at

(26:11):
the moment.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Ten away from seven the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a
Vita Retirement Communities News Togsdad been.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Oh well, there's a very pleased to read in the
Australian media this week, while there's a lot of negativity
around the media here in this country at the moment.
Sarah Tuck is the CEO and editor of Dish. Now,
if you're into your food, you might know the Dish magazine.
Of course, twenty one years she's looking at an aggress
they call it an aggressive expansion. She's moving into the
Australian market and it goes, as they said, quite rightly,

(26:39):
against the prevailing wisdom that print is fading. So the
Dish magazine is going to be available across Australia through Cole's, Woolworth's,
Richie's IgA Are they're going to ship six thousand copies
to supermarkets to for the one thousand ear mark for
the subscribers. Expects the numbers to grow quickly, so that's bullish.
Comes as a result of Delicious magazine being discontinued, so
that's enco So one door closes, another one opens. Previously

(27:02):
been available in Australia very limited though through direct mail order.
But the current Australian audience is made up of twenty
percent xpat so you go where the expats are, of course.
So I wish you're all the very best. And there's
a good News New Zealand media story, and boy do
we need some of those morning mate. I trust you
to ask him. And he's got the Suzuki running ten
dollars to the charity of your choice. And it wasn't
the alternator. Well that's good because the charity will be

(27:26):
ten dollars better because it wasn't the alternator he told
me last Friday. Turns out to beat the transponder, mind you,
he made I don't know he knows one end of
a Suzuki to the other. So let's let's say it
was the transponder five away from seven for the ins
and the outs.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
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to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Now back to America Social Security. Guess what turns ninety today?
Ninety Social Security? It's the additios out of the retirement,
the disability, the survivor benefits. Anyway, it's got problems. Got
a new report revealing basically that the two main trust
funds are projected to reach in solvency by Q one
of twenty twenty four. So we're running out of time.

(28:07):
Big part of that is because it's the same old business.
It's the worker to retire his ratio. So you go
back to the fifties, nineteen fifty, every retiree in America
were supported by sixteen and a half workers. Now that
dropped to three point three workers in nineteen eighty five.
Latest data which is from twenty thirteen, which says probably
something about their ability to produce stats. Twenty thirteen Is

(28:28):
that right? Really a serious? I mean, okay, anyway, it's
down to two point eight. So in just sixty years,
it's gone from sixteen point five to two point eight.
It will be less now. Obviously, if the two trust
funds go bust, it'll mean an estimate of twenty four
percent benefit cut on average. So to avoid that, taxes
are going to need to go up. There's no alternative.
According to the report, You've got to put the taxes up.

(28:50):
So the thing around the world, isn't it. The election
campaign of next year in this country is going to
be fought on that. Chip's going to be there with
the CGI and the world tax. Rachel Reeves has got
any number of problems around tax at the miment. She's
got a budge coming up later this year which she
is going to have to break to the British public
that despite the fact she said taxes weren't going up,
they will be anyway. Congress is going to need to
raise payroll taxes by three point sixty five percent, an

(29:11):
increase from twelve point four to sixteen point oh five.
So that's a payroll tax, which is different to the
federal tax, which is different for state tax, et cetera.
So what does that look like. It means someone who
enters the workforce at twenty two on the average wage
would see their lifetime earnings drop by over one hundred
and eighty six thousand dollars. Thanks very much for coming.

(29:33):
Mind you, we remind you what Australia said the other
day with their twelve percent from their super For the
first time ever, a person entering the workforce today on
an average wage for their life is going to be
able to retire comfortably. And there are not clearly many
countries who can say that, which is good. So Alaska,
Tomorrow our time, Trump putin what comes out of it?

(29:54):
We have a look at this, and Will Jordan's going
to be joining us out of Argentina. Who is going
to put down the Melbeck and stop eating the state?
And tell us whether they can do it.

Speaker 9 (30:01):
This weekend.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
News opinion and everything in between, the Mike Hoskin Break
best with Rainthrover leading by example, News Talk dead seven
past seven.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
So tomorrow our time, a week or so is worth
of hype plays out in Alaska. Trump and Putent in
a room. Does the war end? Does anything actually happen?
Here's the expectation.

Speaker 20 (30:21):
I'm going to let them negotiate their deal. I'm not
going to negotiate the deal. I'm going to let them
negotiate their deal. So we're going to be calling President
Zelenski if it's a good meeting. If it's a bad meeting,
I'm not calling anybody.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
I'm going home.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Matthew Schmid is the director of the International Affairs Program
at the University of New Haven. Back with Us, Matthew,
good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (30:41):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Sure short of an agreement to meet again, are you
hopeful that anything more tangible than that comes out of us?

Speaker 9 (30:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (30:49):
Look, there's a lot of movement in Ukrainian public opinion
right now to really find some way to stop the bleeding.
But they're not willing to give away everything in order
to get there, and they're not willing to be humiliated
for it. And so if Trump can navigate that pathway
and then there's something here.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Okay, So do you see Putin and Zelensky in a
room within the next month. I think it's possible.

Speaker 21 (31:16):
I'll be like Trump, I'll say, I don't know, twenty
five percent chance it's possible.

Speaker 9 (31:20):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
That's moving pretty quick yet.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Okay, the giving up land thing, I just don't see
how Ukraine does that end. Save spice. Is that possible?

Speaker 21 (31:33):
So there's two ways to look at this. Ukraine has
said for a while now that they would be willing
to accede to the facts on the ground, you know,
more or less, they don't want to give Russia the
whole province if it hasn't taken the whole province and
that sort of thing, but they do not want to
give up legal claim to the territory, particularly Crimea. So

(31:53):
they want to hold on to the idea that years
down the road they can they can say this is
still Ukrainian territory was taken from and it's de facto
been in Russian territory for ten years or twenty years,
but legally it still ours and they want to maintain
that position.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Russia wants to break them of it.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Okay, is that a win for Russia? That unfolds that?

Speaker 21 (32:12):
Why, it is a win for Russia if they can
hold on to the territory right because you know, possession
is ninety percent of the law.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Ron So having said that, when the inside that happens,
where does Europe stand, Because that's the narrative that will
be he's not stopping there and he's coming out. Why
is that real?

Speaker 21 (32:33):
Well, first of all, Mertz has said specifically he's back
to Ukraine on this that Ukraine's not going to give
up legal claim to this territory, so that, you know,
seems to be Europe's position overall.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
And then of course.

Speaker 21 (32:44):
Europe has been gearing up now for a year two
years now for you know, the next phase of this,
right for World War four if it were, and it's
all based on Russia's threat to the EU. You've got
the European Defense Fund which was just passed. There's real
money now, hundreds of billions of dollars that are are
being allocated and in the process of being spent in
order to essentially create a European defense force, you know,

(33:07):
with or without NATO, all aimed at Russia.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
What I found sort of interesting, Matthew, is that he
was at the Kennedy sent of Trump yesterday and he
was outlining he said five, but I think it's six.
The walls he solved is he suddenly beck as a globalist.
So I thought he was a lo isolationless. What's he doing?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Indeed, that's the question, what is he doing.

Speaker 21 (33:29):
He's a He's a Trumpist, which is a globalist when
he wants to be in an isolationist when it when
it matters to him, right when it's the best position
he's in.

Speaker 16 (33:37):
This.

Speaker 21 (33:37):
He really does want to stop the war. He really
is uncomfortable with wars, with killing with violence. I think
if you look at his history and his past comments,
but he wants credit more than he wants anything else.
He's not interested in a stable, long term just negotiation
that leads to a just and stable long term piece.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
He just wants to stop it now so he.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Can get credit.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I wonder, yeah, I wonder if he wants a no
bell if he gets Russia and Ukraine stopped, is that
Nobel Prize territory.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think it has to be considered.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Absolutely nice to talk to you as always. Matthew Schmidt,
who's out of the New Haven University with us this morning.
It's eleven minutes past seven past home are reported from
the Ministerial Advisory Group on Organized Crime. So this time
they're calling for more effective data sharing. Essentially, the constraints
around information sharing is hindering government agencies in responding to
organized crime. Where have we heard that before? Steve Simon
is the chair of the Ministerial Advisory Group, of course,

(34:29):
and his back with us. Steve, morning to you, Good
morning mate. That whole sharing of information thing. I've been
dealing with that for four decades in the media. Every
time there's a report out somebody is not talking to
somebody else. Has any Has that surprised you and has
anything changed?

Speaker 6 (34:45):
No, it hasn't surprised me. Much like yourself. I think
I've been a prosecutor for twenty years and I think
it's been the bane of our existence that entire time.
If anything, I think it's probably got worse as coverment
agencies have become more silo and they've become more risk adverse.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
So is it attitude, is it the law therefore you're
not allowed to or is it technical.

Speaker 13 (35:07):
Or all of that.

Speaker 7 (35:09):
It's all of it.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
I think it starts though, with culture, Mike. I think
your point of it's been this consistent problem over the years,
and I think that's what that's driving, is this culture
of if I don't share, I can't get I won't
get in trouble. If I do share, I might get
in trouble. So you can see which option people are
usually choosing.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
So you're talking about privacy settings when it comes to
sharing of information and stuff. Are we a bit freaked
out about privacy settings? Does the government have a real
issue around this, or do we need to make some
sort of bold step if we want to get serious
about what you're looking at.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
I think we need to say bold steps if we
want to tackle organize crime. What we're seeing is organized
crime is just that it's organized. It is using technology,
it is using untraceable apps, it's using big data, it's
doing things we are not, and we need to have
a conversation with Yes, we are keen to balance the

(36:02):
rights to privacy, but we also need to balance that
against our need to tackle this organized crime problem before
it gets worse.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Indeed, are you getting good feedback from the government? Are
you seeing some results of your work so far?

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Yes, we are. I mean we're seeing a huge amount
of support from the government agencies we've been speaking to,
whether that be police and Corrections and Customs and all
of those big agencies. This work they'll work about. Sharing
of information is probably the least sexy part of the
work that we're doing, but it's probably some of the

(36:37):
most important stuff because it's taking the information that is
already available to law enforcement but making sure it gets
the right place to be used lawfully to target organised crime.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Good stuff. Keep up the good work and we'll talk again.
Certain Steve Simon, chair of the Ministerial Advisory Group on
Organized Crime, as reading Andrew John's PCs done Sidney Morning Herald,
he had the Panthers over the Storm by two, so
he was wrong, obviously, but bring up the Warriors and
we need to talk about them in a moment with
Richie Barnett thirteen past.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
The Like asking Breakfast full show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard
By News talks.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
At b Well Jordan out of Argentina for shortly on
the program sixteen past seven, are so back home tonight
for the Warriors? Of course, Dragons Penrith as a mentro
department to go before the break. They lost last night,
so that means if we win tonight, we locked from them,
we're back in the top four. Win also means we've
got a playoff. Locke apparently lost means we could fall
as low as seven, but that's just sports journalists being negative.
I'm known to that. Richie Barnett's former Keewis captain, of course,

(37:33):
is back with us on the program, Richie Morning, Good morning.
See in a way, if we can't beat the Dragons,
that would be four in a row. And we don't
really deserve to be anywhere, do we. I mean, we
can't keep losing.

Speaker 12 (37:44):
We've been saying that for the last couple of weeks seven.
We really to be honest, and I think, you know,
with the injuries, the injury crisis that we've seen, you know,
the I guess, the combinations, that the chemistry between players,
I think that's really who good taale this season. But
they need to get it back and this is a
perfect opportunity against the Dragon side that's just starting to

(38:05):
edge their way through. They haven't been all that bad
this year as well, so I've got a lot of
grunt and a lot of threat there. The Warriors just
got to bring their old game back, their discipline, their aggression,
and they need to play a bit of more football.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
You use the word crisis, so that's what you would
equate the injuries too. So this is major as opposed
to just a few problems.

Speaker 12 (38:24):
Yeah, I just think it's just quality players out of
the system and it's just difficult for the structure, particularly
in defense and the style of play they want to play.
It's happened that Dragons have also had the same issue
this year as well, and they start to climb. You know,
at the end of the season you want a general
health bill of the side and the Warriors hopefully start

(38:46):
to hit some consistency in their players and that'll certainly help.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Can they will webe be talking to them about the
three and around the psychology of that and don't let
that weigh you down.

Speaker 12 (38:57):
I think they wouldn't be talking so much about that,
be talking about their role as each player, each individual
player playing to their best. They can possibly stick to
the plan of course and highlight and identify their strengths
and make sure that these players around it. You know,
Gutho's an amazing player. Can Tonguy is incredible the way
he shapes. They play a lot on the left lately.

(39:19):
In the last month of football eideen of their tries
are scored, eleven of them on the left hand side,
so predominantly that's where the Warriors are having trouble. So
they're running at a dumby half more than ever in
the last five weeks. So Cook is an amazing runner
of the ball. So they just have to go out
with their old defense. We're seeing what the blueprint has
been for the Warriors. That's really aggressive. Their kick Chaser's

(39:41):
got to be on form. They've got to really nail
them down there and make it real hard and suffocate
them as much as they can. And I think that's
the recipe with its success. But I also think they
need to start expanding the way they play and show creativity.
Weigh Eagan or give that creativity. They just need to
roll on the back of it. End heally on the back.
He's such a creator and a fearless player. What time

(40:04):
they bring him into the game will be important as well.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Fantastic. I love the way you talk. You're building up
a head of steam there. Richie Barnett former Kiev's captain
of course, and with Skysport these days, so it's an
easy ish run in the top four is very really
still a possibility. Let's mark the week in a moment,
shall we? Seven twenty.

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Time now to mark the week. The little piece of
news and current events that is particularly popular with people
who've lost the plot. Visus seven one of the bright

(41:37):
spots of the week. Two more visas, visas and access
to labor that solved problems a more, please are the
trachrometer six More bright spots both light and heavy trachometer
markers were up this week. No lot, not a lots,
but at least up exports seven. Oh, my lord, Michael,
not more bright spots. Yes, I'm sorry. The good news
trainers full today. Two thirds of our exporters are still

(42:00):
banking the checks and growing their books. Palestine's recognition as
a state. Three, and we talk about angst for no result,
Round and round and round we went this week. Disney
Cruise is four. I mean, can you blame them? You
make this the most expensive place in the world to
bring a ship. Who needs to do all that? In
video five, Trump clipping the chip ticket, somebody said the

(42:21):
era of shakedown capitalism. Alike the line best line of
the week, the era of shakedown capitalism. I don't like
the deal though, Speaking of deals, perplexity seven, you're following
that not for the bit because no one's taking that seriously,
but for the specter of Google about to be broken up.
Is anyone's sad about Google being broken up? America's couped
six a bunch of stuff I like. Could be a

(42:42):
new era with less bitching. And I'd welcome that the
Ford Transit sixty, along with a range, drove the MX
five and the nine to eleven in a world where
cows and our white goods. Basically, sixty is pretty damn good.
We should treasure classics. I reckon Kodak too. Wha wha,
you don't develop, no pun intended, you die. They're about

(43:03):
to die. One hundred and thirty three years in dust
Warrior sex if still the eight? Possibly the four as
you've just heard, is it the title? Is it the title?

Speaker 9 (43:13):
No? Yes, think so?

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Mystery Meat three? What idiot thought of that? Dern and
her hench people?

Speaker 9 (43:27):
Zero.

Speaker 12 (43:27):
If you've got questions about the COVID response, fire away.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
I don't know what else it is to say when
you've sunk that low more for us. I can only
imagine what the fifty percent of voters who wanted to
chunk of that arrogance in twenty twenty think now. And
that is the week copies on the website, And if
you take twenty three of these by the way, staple
them together and get a yellow highlighter. You have your
very own marking the week high Ver's vest tasking congratulations
to Audrey Young And I know I say that periodically,

(43:53):
but we love Audrey for goodness sake. She sums it
up beautifully yesterday in her weekly note. Palestine debate brings
out the best in Christo b Lux and the worst,
and Chloe Swarbricks sums it up perfect. It wasn't for
Hipkins and his disaster yesterday, she'd be, unfortunately, the clickbait
story of the week. Chloe Swarbrick's action ensures the focus
turned to her. It wouldn't, write Audrey, writes, Audrey be

(44:16):
so ironic if she hadn't used her speech to the
Greens AGM last Sunday to rail against politics that is
designed to outrage ah quote unquote. It gets headlines, it
gets cut through, It sucks up the oxygen and depletes
the energy necessary to focus on the bigger picture. It

(44:36):
benefits the multi multi multi millionaire and billionaires and their
puppet politicians. All of this is designed to deflect, distract,
and divide. She said. Of course, writes Audrey, she was
talking about other politicians, not herself in her self centered world.
It's only others that deflect, distract and divide. Couldn't have

(44:58):
summed it up there, well, Jordan, I've got two out
of two. Glenn's got a one out of one. I
think there's a one at one apiece. I think you've
got one apiece, one one in piece in Argentina. Sammy,
what's Sammy? It's the rugby Sambie. He's got two for us,
two for us. Okay, So we'll talk to Will Jordan
see what's going on in that particular part.

Speaker 9 (45:15):
Of the world.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
And healthcare we look at before eight o'clock as well,
the robotics industry in terms of surgery booming. Got some
new stats on that in the amount of robotics that
is involved in public and private these days intimidating with
the week after Great of course being their Friday morning
meantime News is Next Your Abuse Talk.

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Speaker 2 (45:47):
Research Emergency Department has been working out of night into
the teacher's salaries, and to claim on this program yesterday
at this time that Judith Colin said one hundred and
forty five one hundred and forty seven thousand for a
ten year experienced teacher, or come to those numbers in
a moment meantime and twenty three to eight. Back to
the International rugby this weekend, having dispense with the French,
it is the Rugby Championship, our first crack on foreign soil.

(46:07):
The Australians will face South Africa and Jayburg. The All
Blacks of course, are with the Argies. Will Jordan is
with us. Good morning to you, Mike, now, given it's
been a while since we caught up a couple of
things the season for you so far, the French, the
vibe around the side, how are you feeling?

Speaker 20 (46:22):
Yeah, if it built into the French series, well we're
able to kind of give everyone and go truck in
that last game. So I think for ust it was
just at of a good scene set around fortune, a
bit of an identity around how I wanted to play,
didn't always put the execute way I wanted too, but
nice to get the three no result and they are
in strugby Championship, which promises to be a bit of
a step up and pretty challenging, so you hope we

(46:44):
can start to do it on that momentum.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Good, So fast forward now to Argentina, the trip, you're away,
You've got jet leg, your training house, all that gone.

Speaker 20 (46:52):
Yeah, it's been good. It was lucky. We got here
on fire last week, so we sort of had the
weekend too, just to click ourselves, get rid of need
to experience a bit of the culture here and get
out feet on the ground and don't meet me to
kind of hit Monday running. We've had a couple of
good training scitions over here, nice little bit of fun
on the back a time here than what it was
in Christy to our left. So now I think it

(47:14):
was said familiar againa. I think we're a good spot
hidden in for the weekend to be all go good.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
How hot is it?

Speaker 20 (47:22):
That's just mid teens, it's every year, but yeah, slightly
more and more tropical than what we had back at home.
So I think the forecast is pretty good for the
weekend and a slightly early took off at six, so
spending some money conditions which will be nice to lutch myself.

Speaker 9 (47:37):
At the back.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Are you aware of the buzz? Is there a buzz
or are you sort of in a bubble?

Speaker 20 (47:44):
You feel it a little bit like yeah, yeah, yeah,
what's obviously they come to Argentina once a couple of years,
so I've just been a few locals hanging around and
we've been to a through agig clubs and been a
excitement there. But yeah, general where we kind of them
in the hotel and you're pretty locked into what each
other's up to and not getting too much of the
extra noise. I guess you feel when you're at home

(48:05):
in the media and it's a little bit breathing around you.
I guess the time reference plays that have bit as
well night when we're day here and vice versus. So yeah,
it is nice on tour you can get a little
bit tighter and sing the bolts in that sense.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
How do you Because you're away for two so that's
you know, that's a decent period away from home. Does
that affect you any differently as opposed to just having
one game away?

Speaker 9 (48:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (48:28):
I think a good thing that they be championship visit
is that two weeks on one week off, so you
kind of know you're getting the way for a bit
of a sprint, get stuck into this first test and
then make few adjustments and really give everything you've got
for that seeking test. Then it's nice to get home
for a week, see the family, see the dog, all
that sort of stuff. Then into two weeks again another

(48:48):
week off. So I personally quite like the flow of
the two weeks on. One week it goes to a
India tour or I this year five weeks straight on
the road. So yeah, don't do you a chance to
experience it's been about what turns about being away for
too long?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
What's your view on Argentina is? Are they the unpredictability
factor of Argentina? One day they're brilliant, the next day
they're not. Are we over that? Is there a trajectory
for them or not?

Speaker 20 (49:14):
I think so? Yeah, I think I think that up
to around for from the world now. So they're suddenly
yet been checking at a bit victory the last very
or four years, and they've obviously took us up a
few times as well, so first and foremost yet to
respect that. And it particularly seems to be these first
games of the two we've heard trouble against them, so
I know they gave a few guys a rests in

(49:35):
the July series come off with back a big frink season,
so it feels like that priming and ready to go
for to be a couple of big tests, particularly defending
their hot patch. So yeah, I think the key for
us is been able to come out and feel that
intensity and really bringant that first twenty minutes to try
and silen the crowd a little bit and get on top.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
And what about the other the other sides. Do you
pay a great deal of attention to Australia South Africa
this weekend? Therefore what they're doing, what do you deal
with that another day when you face them?

Speaker 20 (50:02):
I think, yeah, in the background, ye're just to ware
of what's going on. You're obviously going to play them
around the corner, but that's more just I think a
family the game is opposed to anything to analytical or
starting to think about plans and that sort of thing,
and then yet really focus of the two. I think
that's been a trap in the sense of thinking about
what's just here. And yeah, there's obviously, if you've been

(50:24):
tests coming up when we get back home. But yeah,
for us, just for on Argentina and sophy. The first
test to making sure we do a job in in
game one well have been away.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
The announcement has been made that Super Rugby is going
to have a whole round at the new christ Yurch
Stadium next year. That's I mean for a for a
local that's going to be a thrill, doesn't it.

Speaker 20 (50:41):
Yeah, it's awesome. It's been pretty cool driving past that
stadium over the last year or so as it's starting
to come to fruition and seeing it all come together
and why it will connect I guess the whole city
and with bars and restaurants and all that being so close.
It's going to be a great thing for us and
to everyone coming down down to christ which I should
we look a visitors coming in. It'll be great and

(51:02):
a great way to sinily check off the stadium or
to be in a jelly days anyway, so a great
way to I just show the nation and show the
world what it'll.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Be all about right from behind the scenes. Insight Please
will how much steak and mel Beck have you consumed
so far?

Speaker 20 (51:17):
I've got through a plenty of steak metsa shore and
I say it was good to the year. Over the
weekends and the lucks of Body and had a pretty
good wine connoisseur, so we had a couple of those
to indulge in it.

Speaker 12 (51:29):
So it was good.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
Yeah, we had.

Speaker 20 (51:30):
We started Argentina and barbecue and our day office today
after golf. So now it's been good to enjoy a
bit of the local pleasures.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Good on you, Will you go well this weekend? We're
all watching, of course, and listening with Piney's commentary. Is
it Piney? It won't be Piney?

Speaker 13 (51:44):
Will it?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
He'll be Elliott. Will Jordan out of Argentina this morning,
seventeen away from.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
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Speaker 9 (51:58):
At be.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Teen to weight. Will Jordan probably the best communicator your
interview from the All Black side degree Mike such an
articulate man of future a But yeah, I think he's
my favorite all black, which I know will upset Hannah,
who believes Body's my favorite all black and Body is
a favorite all black of mine. But I'll tell you what,
Will's pretty good. Right to the teachers, we did. We
crunched the numbers. A lot of you have written to
me and a lot of you texted yesterday. And it

(52:22):
always unfolds the same way anytime some minister claims that
somebody earns X number of dollars and somebody else goes, well,
I'm a nurse and I've been a nurse for three
hundred and twelve years, and i don't know what she says.
And I'm a teacher and I don't earn that, et cetera.
So anyway, here is the definitive, so a base salary.
So the claim from Judith Callers was I can't remember
what she said. Was one forty five or one forty seven,
one or the other. The base salary for an untrained

(52:44):
teacher is eighty five five hundred and twenty nine dollars.
Are you known as a G three? Untrained means you've
got a high qualification overseas you haven't gone through our
system of training. The average teacher salaries one hundred thousand
dollars average. That's up from ninety three a year ago.
Just by way of an exercise that did this morning,
I've gone back to the turn of the century two
thousand and one and looked at the increases that teachers

(53:05):
have got each time. They've got increases and it's range
from two percent, one and a half percent, eight percent,
two percent, three percent, three percent, four percent, four percent,
one percent, two percent, et cetera, et cetera. Biggest increase
was under labour and a dourn eight percent, and also
under clerk of labor another eight percent. Over the twenty
five years or twenty four years, teacher salaries have gone
up sixty seven percent. So you've done okay. Not every year,

(53:29):
but overall you've done okay. So where do we go
from here? So I got to one hundred thousand dollars.
Now you can earn units units reloicated based on management
and or curriculum responsibilities. Each unit's worth five thousand dollars
a year. There's a middle management allowance that's two thousand
dollars a year. There is over time. I'm not sure
how applicable that is, but any timetabled class contact in

(53:51):
excess of your ten half days that's five days a week,
you get overtime. Any class contact on a Saturday or Sunday,
it's overtime. There's a two thousand dollars service increment. So
by the time you add all of that up together
and you get your teen years, it is possible to
be paid one forty seven thousand. So I think where
the acrimony has come between teachers and the minister is

(54:17):
does everyone at teen years earn one four seven?

Speaker 9 (54:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Is it possible, though, to earn one for seven?

Speaker 13 (54:23):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (54:24):
And so I think that's where the claim is. And
it's the same with nurses. So it depends on whether
you're listening carefully, enup to what's a base salary and
therefore what's possible. So nurses particularly on things like overtime,
because it'll be a great deal more overtime worked as
a nurse than the will as a teacher. But when
the claim is made around nursing, there is allowances, et cetera.
And once you add those allowances together and the average

(54:45):
over time and the average salary, et cetera, you get
to the number they claim. Whereas in the teacher's case,
is it possible for a ten year senior teacher to
earn one four seven? Yes? Do everyone?

Speaker 13 (54:55):
Does?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Everyone?

Speaker 9 (54:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (54:57):
But it is possible. So, like all all things in life,
when the claim is made and the counterclaim is made,
when you actually crunch the numbers, we're all right ten
minutes away from eight.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
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Speaker 2 (55:14):
Away from health Matters. We're seeing big demand for our
surgical robotics program. So Wakefield Hospitals in the Capital, of course,
just completed it's eight hundredth procedure, which is a two
hundred percent increase in the last couple of years. Michael
Quirk is the CEO of Evolution Healthcare Hospitals and as
with us, Michael, morning.

Speaker 20 (55:30):
To you, Mike, great to be here.

Speaker 9 (55:33):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
How much more efficient is a robot than a surgeon?

Speaker 20 (55:39):
Yes, good question.

Speaker 14 (55:39):
Look, the efficiencies are increasingly being found as the technology develops.
So the robots aren't for all procedures by any stretch,
but for those that it has been working on over
a number of years and in deep decades. Now the
new generation robots are seeing much better efficiencies, they're less invasive,
and most importantly, the enhanced outcomes. Excuse me that we're

(56:03):
now seeing an outstanding resultful both the patients and the
broader health system.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Really, what sort of procedures and the number of procedures,
not numerically, but this range of increasing and dramatically.

Speaker 14 (56:19):
Yeah, Well, initially we saw a lot of urology work
being this sort of the initial for a for this robots.
But what we've seen since there is a move into
general surgery, gynecology, head and neck, and the E and
T and it's even in cardiac surgery now as well.
So as you can see the expanding ability of these

(56:39):
robots as the new generations come along just means more
and more. This has been part of our health system
that we need to adopt.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Does the risk profile change at all in the same
operation using an old team versus a machine?

Speaker 9 (56:54):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 14 (56:54):
And look, these robots are only being deployed when the
risk profile is actually safer for the patient. And again
we have those enhanced health outcomes which medical literature is
increasingly showing, and that's what's driving the mood to these robots.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
How do people handle it? Because would most people going
into at some point of medical contact, they'll go, right,
you're having this procedure and by the way, it's a robot.
Do people freak out?

Speaker 9 (57:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (57:20):
Look, look there's definitely apprehension for some of our patients.
We always walk them through just what the surgery is
going to be. And when you walk into the theater
and you understand that the console itself where the surgeon
is not next to the theater table where the patient is.
That can be a bit jarring for some, but ultimately
the pre op education that we do and the assurances

(57:42):
that we give and the outcomes that we can now
show mean that the patients are always prepared and undergo
surgery from there.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Where is the doctor? Because what I'm fascinated and is
robotics versus remote So, in other words, the doctors in
Timbuktu and you're in Auckland versus the doctor being in
the next room.

Speaker 20 (58:03):
Yeah, good question.

Speaker 14 (58:04):
Look, the console is in the theater itself. The robot,
the robot with its multiple arms are set up over
the patient via ports and most commonly this will be
within the patients abdomen for general surgery, urology and gynecology
and the lake. But the surgeon himself or herself will
be at the side of the room and I'll be

(58:26):
able to see the room and be controlling the theater
with the theater team around, and the innethetist will be
at the head of the patient as well.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Good stuff, mate, I'm nice and so I appreciate it
very much. Michael Quirk's fascinating area, isn't it robotics and
technology and all that sort of stuff anyway, Chief Executive
Officer of Evolution Healthcare Hospitals four minutes away from mate past.
Technically I'm going for a scan next week.

Speaker 22 (58:47):
So just one, there's somebody who claims to be as
invincible and as healthy as you do. You've seem to
be permanently being saved, jabbed.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Dusted, don't even get me started on And it all
comes out the same ways, which is what I've argued
all along. It all comes out even and goes, oh,
you're fine, well, of course I am. I don't expecting anything.
By the way, quick word on rents there out this morning.
Rental prices are continuing to go down. We're down three
percent this month, down to six twenty. Wellington's dropped fifty

(59:19):
bucks a week. Wellington's down seven point seven percent, Auckland's
down two point nine, o Target's down three point two,
Southland's up four point two. Who else is up? Nelson's up,
that's it. Everyone else is down. So there is a
very material downward trend in rental accommodation in this country.

(59:40):
So that's I guess not the investor, of course, but
that the tenants is good news. Now we've got a
problem with Tim, so I don't know if it's going
to be Tim and Katie Well might have to work
something out during the news.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
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Speaker 13 (01:00:06):
You can.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
There's more of this distorted thing. That's culyer thing these days.

Speaker 21 (01:00:16):
You need to get your hearing check.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Do you don't think this is distorted?

Speaker 13 (01:00:20):
Well, I mean distorted guitars and things are a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Thing that we've been using since, you know, the late fifties.
Thirteenth album, No Rain, No Flowers the Black Keys, catchier
and more upbeat offerings is what they're suggesting. The up
ten po No Rain, No Flowers is a joyous standouts
that this one here, I no, this one's called baby Girl.

(01:00:44):
That's what they keep singing, baby girl. Why aren't you
playing the joyous standout? Well, I mean that's one person's opinion. Okay,
it's thirty six minutes and fifty are you, Katie, you
hearing this?

Speaker 8 (01:00:56):
I'm hearing it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Is it distorted to you?

Speaker 8 (01:01:00):
If you thought the new Justin Bieber album I was
playing it the other day was also distorted.

Speaker 7 (01:01:05):
So maybe on top of your scans you could also
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Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
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Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Now we've got a problem to Hawksby's with us, but
Tim's not. So it's very unusual for Tim because this
is he confesses the highlight of his week. Well, I
don't know. We got a text this morning saying he's
on holiday and he's not doing it because he's on
holiday for the next two weeks.

Speaker 13 (01:01:42):
From Tim.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yes, oh, so he's he's on holiday. He's on holiday.
He's not on the show.

Speaker 13 (01:01:50):
But usually when he's on holiday, because that's usually like
a Nelson or Vegas, he usually dies with it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Anyway, it's the four day a week attitude. It's the
work from home mentel let's come to the program. So
we've drummed up in the news.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
CAD may not give you advanced notice. Well he did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
He texted about Courtwait. So so I've got we've drummed
up somebody during the news as a late breaking participant
in the program. Right, okay, so we're going to play
a game, and the prize is a year's worth of
the sweets of your choice.

Speaker 13 (01:02:26):
Or well, first of all, why why did you have
to replace him?

Speaker 9 (01:02:30):
Do you not?

Speaker 13 (01:02:31):
Is there no trust in me to fly solo here?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Very good, actually quite a good point. I'll answer that honestly.
And unfortunately I have to throw somebody under the bus.
Jason said, we need somebody else. Oh my goodness, by
b Yes, right, so I'm going to play it. So,
so a year supply of the lollies of your choice
or a five hundred dollars donation to the charity of

(01:02:53):
your choice, whichever you're like, if you get it right? Okay, okay,
so so clue number one. He is known by everybody, broadly,
broadly popular, Glenn, A little bit older than me, but
not much, oh but not nearly as good looking.

Speaker 19 (01:03:14):
A little bit older than you.

Speaker 8 (01:03:15):
I thought, who's older than you?

Speaker 13 (01:03:17):
In there?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
They're not in here, they're not in here. They're just
okay questions.

Speaker 13 (01:03:22):
They're not a radio person.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
They're not a radio person. Oh just some rando.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Well, no trying to rando.

Speaker 19 (01:03:31):
Last minute?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Is this Jason's call, and is Jason's call funnily enough?

Speaker 9 (01:03:36):
Right? So who I?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
It's okay?

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Question another two? Let me give you another one. Let
me give you another one associated with the economic success
of the country at a time when it was referred
to as the rock Star economy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Stephen Joyce not bad, not bad, but not quite.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Third and final clue who.

Speaker 9 (01:04:00):
Who?

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
It's not a politician?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
It could be who'd you say?

Speaker 13 (01:04:05):
I said, John Key?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Good morning, John morning, Mikey.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I have never been referred to as a rendow.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
It's like it's tough, but I was. I was super
excited Katie.

Speaker 13 (01:04:20):
And I got the call up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
This was the highlight of my year, I think possibly
my career that you and I were a team.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Hey, how much notice did they give you? When did
they call you?

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Yeah, it's a typical organization. Again on the My Costing Show,
it's like five minutes. Actually, can I start with a question?
How much do I get for this gig?

Speaker 9 (01:04:42):
How much?

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
And I'll tell you why. I tell you why.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
I asked that question because the other day I was
I was a little bit bored. I gotta be honest,
So I looked on chet GPT and said, how much
just just Cinder are doing get for a speech?

Speaker 12 (01:04:55):
Right?

Speaker 11 (01:04:56):
Anyway?

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Turns out hundreds of thousands of dollars. So then I
said to you check GPT. Okay, well how much does
John get for a speech? And it was obviously a
fraction of that, right. So then I went and saw
Brown and I said, well, why is this the case?
She said, well, you're not that relevant anymore.

Speaker 9 (01:05:11):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
I went, yeah, well, okay, that's not good enough answer.
So I went back to check GPT and said, why
does just Cinder done so much more than Shoan Key?
And here's the answer. She was a more empathetic leader.
So I'm going to be oozing empathy over the next
fifteen minutes. And I just want you to reach me out.

(01:05:31):
That's all I want. That's all I asked, Just a
bit a bit of cash to sort of loud the
wheels of wine or whatever I might like, the pictures
for good morning.

Speaker 8 (01:05:40):
You can negotiate on behalf of both of us, because
I bet you'd be a good negotiator on the door.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah, I'm a good can actually we get Steven Joyce
in there if we fail anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Exactly can you can I just some ground rules, John,
if you don't mind, please don't use the word lub a.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Well, I'm not the one who started at you are
the ones calling merr well?

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Actually exactly, Katie, do you regret using that terminology?

Speaker 9 (01:06:06):
Now?

Speaker 13 (01:06:07):
Well, I mean, I mean he's not a rando?

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Is he? Now that we know who it is? But
I mean initially I was confused. That's also I apologize
it was actually some rando? Did you correct?

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
It's going very well at the moment. We'll need to
take a break though. Thirteen past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
John Key's a legend my word of miss John Key. So, Mike,
you expect Katie to work with an amateur. That's the
only negative one.

Speaker 9 (01:06:45):
So far.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
That actually the white It's funny you should say you
mentioned briner. John. Does Browner tell you what to wear
and what you look like?

Speaker 11 (01:07:03):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Yeah, yeah, well she well she tells me I look
at mess but yeah, she tries to tidy out my egg.
But it doesn't really work. No, I don't have any
jackets nearly as flash as the ones I see you
on Mike Smith, don't they nothing like that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
So when she comes from, Katie comes, So I come
home and Katie goes, you've got to stop wearing that
stuff like that or you don't look any good in that,
or why do you still wear that? And she talks
about my moods and how it's not flattering and stuff
like that. Do you get a lot of that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Oh god, no, no, no, she just she just gets
it all, puts it the puts in a black bag
and donates it to charity. Yeah, I've obviously got it
up my game and step it up like bron I've
obviously got to step it up about Yeah, just take
take take action. Katie ask for forgiveness later.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
The golf flow. Somebody asked about the golf. Is the
golf good? Yeah, the golf's pretty good.

Speaker 13 (01:07:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
I actually, finally if I mentioned the Napa Valley today,
which is a long way away from I mean, it's
very nice. It's I know you're only drinking one glass
a day or something, Well, I means you an off site.
Mean I'm working, I'm working Mike, But yes, it's a
little bit of golf up here. Very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
And when you say glass a day, it's kadie. How
how many glasses a week?

Speaker 9 (01:08:13):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
What's about two a week?

Speaker 9 (01:08:15):
Now?

Speaker 13 (01:08:16):
Very very good, very impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
But there's a lot of scientific evidents to prove it's
good for you. I reckon, do you reckon?

Speaker 9 (01:08:24):
What do you know? Well?

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
I mean you know again if I go to the
Oracle of all information chat GBT. This made me more
buoyant on my drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Has it?

Speaker 13 (01:08:34):
Does it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Have you asked them? Is John Key drinking too much?

Speaker 9 (01:08:39):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
I can no, No, I haven't asked that question. But
I can tell you on the campaign in the old days,
I'd give up for the six weeks of the campaign
because I just thought it was the right thing to do, right,
And I'd get up to audiences and I'd say, look,
I've given up drinking for the last six weeks, and
there'd be this groan, right, and then I'd say, just
for the record, they tell you you sleep better, you
feel better, you lose weight, everything's clearer, it's all bullshit,

(01:09:03):
it's not true, and it all clapped vigorously. So I
can assure you you are not on the side of
the winning angels here. If you're telling them to give
up drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
There you go, Cadie, you so what.

Speaker 9 (01:09:14):
I know?

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
He sounds exactly like you, identical to you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
But you you You cited that new stat this morning.
I heard in a gallop. Now it's funny. You should
be in Napa Valley because you won't know this, but
the things came out from America yesterday. There's fifty four
percent of the people in America drink alcohol now. So
in other words, it's basically fifty to fifty half of
America doesn't drink alcohol anymore. Would that be your observation

(01:09:37):
from Napa Valley? Probably not being naper Velly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
He's probably sitting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
No, he's a napper Vellley in a vineyard and he
still manages to appear on the show. We've got to
ask him some serious questions. Yeah, that's true. But you
don't work, to you, John, I mean to be Let's
be honest. You're not really working much these days, are
you are?

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Well, I'm on a board off site today, but yeah, no,
not not not as much as I used to. I
tell what it's true with drinking, though, young people aren't
drinking nearly as much. No, it's amazing. Help of them
don't drink. You know, they might do other things, but
they don't drink.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Do you Reckon? They're on the cannabis in California?

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Oh yeah, it depends where you go. I mean, you know,
definitely definitely Los Angeles, San Francisco and those of places
one hundred percent years, you know, just kind of place
it stinks, and that, I Reckon's tolerable so personally, but
you know, the devil's letters as.

Speaker 6 (01:10:33):
They call it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
But you know, are you going to the French laundry?

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Funny enough? And this must be maybe the sign the
economy is slowing a little more than you think. That's
open in the evening, But bouche on, which is when
you can kind of get in during the day, is closed.
Actually during the week it's I think it's open Friday,
said there, someday it six me, what's Thursday here? And
it wasn't open yesterday or Tuesday. French laundry don't have time, unfortunately,

(01:10:58):
I worked on us driving.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I've got too many.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
You do know that you've got the number one talk
show host talk show in the country. Eight people are
not that interested in what I'm doing, some information about
something anything, no, no, no.

Speaker 9 (01:11:17):
No, no.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
One of the things you'll learn about this, I mean,
obviously we'll review this performance, John, it's not a lot
for next week. But one of the things you find
about the slot fairly quickly is it basically goes nowhere.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
I've heard it many times before, but it's not true.
Katie always comes up with some great gems. Tim's in there.
I mean you also carrying the candle weave it really?

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, exactly? Have you the pickleball league, Katie? Just quickly,
because that actually launched this week, didn't it.

Speaker 13 (01:11:45):
Pickleball is going off. It's a big thing in the States,
doesn't it. I don't know if you've hit it already.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
John, play pickleball and now, I mean I don't know
the rules, but.

Speaker 8 (01:11:56):
Who does a really really hard it's a really it's
a stupid new usual and it's hard to score too.

Speaker 10 (01:12:01):
But it's so much fun, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Oh, it's great fun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
The ball is big and easy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
You don't want to kind of sort of try and
overdo things. I mean, we are getting a little bit older,
but no, I it's great fun. Little court, you know,
and it's massively popular. Like where our places in Maui.
This pickable court and tenn scort. No one uses ten score, everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Uses pickable amazing. Could John join your league, Kadie.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
Well, there's a wait list, but I'll be prepared to
look at it.

Speaker 13 (01:12:27):
I mean we are beginners, We're not we're not taking
it too seriously. But we are having a hell of
a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Good now, it's really good fun. You strike well, I'll
have my scan and I'll see what the scan sears
and efforts.

Speaker 9 (01:12:41):
Making.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
We can be a team, Mike you I could be
a team doubles. We could be some randoms. I'll be
the Sun and you be the random.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Lovely to see you guys, John Key, and thank you
for stepping in at the last minute. John Key and
Kate talks me actually too.

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the reason I ask about French laundry. By the way,
there's a very good thing on Netflix. It's been going
for a while called Chef's Table, and the latest addition

(01:14:10):
is out and Keller, Thomas Keller, who's the chef at
French Laundry. His story is a fascinating story in French
Laundry and Beauchamp, Beauchamp rather in the Napa Valley where
Keys at the moment. So that's the only reason I
referenced that. Yeah, so what have we got, Mike? The
best ever? John Key needs to be a regular. Please
please please keep John on. Please, may absolute hero bring

(01:14:31):
back John Key. He'll send you ratings even higher. Please,
John Key, what a treat, What a fabulous trio having
the three of you on together, great big smiles. That's
a nice way of putting into something. So I think
all the north for a last minute grab bag idea.
It worked kind of well, didn't it? News for you
in just a couple of months.

Speaker 17 (01:14:48):
Here on the Mike Hosking Breakfast, The Breakfast Show, kiwis
trust to stay in the know, The Mike Hosking Breakfast
with Grainthrover leading by example, news talk'd desinly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
I was mentioning yesterday the COVID inquiry and all the
shambles around the labor party refusing and the hearings next
week are off. Anyway, I did ask we rung again
Illingworth and he's not talking, and I don't know that
I blame him because he's in an official capacity. He's
running a COVID inquiry. If he turns up here, he'll
have to turn up everywhere, and so on and so forth. However,
there is reportage which I find interesting. There was a

(01:15:26):
briefing that Newsroom the website got suggesting because I asked yesterday,
because he has the ability to pull them in is
the point now? Does he not want to be seen
to be doing the right thing by the wider public?
And I wondered whether there was some disappointment at the
government level. A Brook van Velden ha's running this particular

(01:15:46):
part of the inquiry was the disappointment anyway, Newsroom got
hold of a briefing suggesting significant tensions between the two,
which is interesting, not over this specifically, but previously so
internal affairs. It is reported brief v Velden of this
particular meeting with Ellingworth, advising her to make clear her
expectation that the chair implements improvements in the inquiri's planning,

(01:16:08):
risk assessment and progress reporting, and failure by him to
commit to do so will further undermine your confidence in
him and then the inquiry. So is it possible before
this thing even began they had some buyers regret. Could
be a story for next week twenty two to nine.

Speaker 18 (01:16:26):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
We all make muriold.

Speaker 13 (01:16:32):
How are you, ma'am? Very good morning, pretty good, thank you,
pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
It must have he must have known it was coming.
So when you go, yep, we'll we'll, we'll register Palestine.
He must have known that Hamas was going to leap
all over that and go for gold.

Speaker 13 (01:16:45):
Well, I dare say, I mean Hamas has been winning
the pr war against Israel. Australia is no different. They
got a very sophisticated public relations machine. And I mean
that story in the nine newspapers was later discredited, but nonetheless,
I mean, Humas will be going you beauty. Another one, France, Britain, Canada,
A lot of about one hundred and fifty countries apparently

(01:17:08):
are going to line up at the United Nations next month.

Speaker 9 (01:17:11):
Over here, you'd expect the I mean, look, it's.

Speaker 13 (01:17:13):
Been a two it's been a bipartisan policy in Australian politics.
A two state solution to this intractable problem, Israel and
Palestinian state. But the way the way Albanezy has gone
about it, he's really left the coalition behind him. And
Susan Lee said this week that Elbows out of his depth.

(01:17:35):
Scott Morrison wade in a hollow gesture and Josh Fridenberg,
who you know I thought had a really good chance
of being a liberal prime minister who lost the seat
of course last election. He said, it's a logical and
you listen to people like Fredenburg not so much. I
don't think Morrison anymore. Susan Lee is doing a job
as opposition leader, but boy boy, she's got some white

(01:17:57):
anting at her and her coalition party room.

Speaker 9 (01:18:00):
So it's a mess.

Speaker 13 (01:18:02):
I'm in Israel, lashed alban Easy and he basically said,
well mate, it's it's net Nyahu who's brought the world
to this position and by prosecuting a war he can't win,
and by starving people and then occupied Gaza.

Speaker 9 (01:18:17):
So it's a mess, mate, you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Well, yeah, you and I have been round long enough
to see to miss many, many many times over this
roundtable that Elbow's got going. The leak Treasury advice. Is
this a stitch up? Is this this is a smoke
and mirror's operation or not?

Speaker 9 (01:18:31):
Mate? I thought that myself.

Speaker 13 (01:18:33):
I thought, hello, this is labor leaking it in advance.
The Treasury advice spells out the ABC saw it, so
I smell a rat and perhaps many other people do too.
But basically the ABC said the list that had seen
it really focuses on housing, housing approvals, trying to cut

(01:18:53):
red tape. That's something the business community wants for this
big round table next week. Also cutting environl a metal
red tape, considering her are tens and tens of thousands
of approvals apparently tied up at the moment right across
Australia and particularly in New South Wales with environmental legislation.
The union movement, of course, is heading in next week
demanding a four day week, tax breaks for low income workers,

(01:19:17):
higher taxes on business, surprise, surprise, and business leaders are
worried they're going to be like the rabbit in the headlights.
Might Albanezi insist the governments up for big reform, but
he's running away from anything that sounds like a tax increase,
certainly with a GST. And that's the most obvious bit
of low hanging fruit bump up the GST to fifteen
percent like New Zealand, like most other places around the world.

(01:19:38):
It's been a ten percent since John Howard brought it in,
and it's no longer fit for purpose.

Speaker 9 (01:19:42):
That's the view of many, many people over here.

Speaker 13 (01:19:45):
But don't expect any massive tax to reform next week.
And the way Albanze is talking Mike not for the
rest of his term of government.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
It's interesting in many respects. What's your observation of him
in the sense he thing, isn't he because he's so
successful electorially? Yeah, he kind of. And they're in the
oppositions in such a state's.

Speaker 9 (01:20:08):
Got your mess.

Speaker 13 (01:20:08):
He's never going to get a night like a fifty
seat majority coalition ever.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Again, so do you go for broke, do you go nuts?
Or do you now play it safe?

Speaker 9 (01:20:19):
Well, that's I mean.

Speaker 13 (01:20:20):
Look, he's cautious, no doubt about it. He's been coursious
all his life. He never thought he'd be prime minister.
He thought he was a Trotsky from the university days,
and he never when he did, I swear to God,
I bet he never thought he'd be sitting in the
lots making decisions, and here he is now he has
the chance. As you say, you've got such a huge
majority in the parliament. If you're not going to do
it now, you won't have a better time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Don't die wondering.

Speaker 13 (01:20:42):
At least go with a low hanging fruit like GST.

Speaker 9 (01:20:45):
Then you can.

Speaker 13 (01:20:46):
You know, you'll have so much money, according to one
study that's going around, you'll have so much cash you
can afford to compensate those on the very bottom low
income owners and still have a huge, big chunk left
over to do stuff with.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
As you sit in Sydney, does Sydney I mean this
just Cinderellen woman and Victoria in general? Are they broadly?
I know all of Australia's run domestically by labor, but
is she an outlier? She seems particularly odd well.

Speaker 13 (01:21:18):
She wiz well, okay, leading question. You're on my learned
well look from up in New South Wales. Yes, I
mean we've got a labor leader, but Chris Men's comes
out of the cookie cutter school of labor leaders, you know,
cautious but prepared to undertake reform. Just sender Allen, you know,
and don't forget she was there under Dan Andrews.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Yes, yeah, they're both as mad as each other. But
I refer because no one knows what I'm talking about,
but I refer yesterday to her spray at the media
when they are asking her about whether it's unusual to
be teaching five year olds in Victoria that you know,
if they're not feeling like a boy, then they can
be a girl or something else. But I mean, what
the hell's going on?

Speaker 13 (01:21:58):
It's ridiculous, isn't it. I mean, it is ridiculous, And
you know it is the first refuge, isn't it. Go
and strict the messenger. I mean, we're just asking questions.
That's what we're here for. That's what we that's what
journalism is. And if she didn't like the questions, I mean,
it is it is. I don't think you would struggle
to find three people in Australia who think that's a

(01:22:18):
feeling normal thing to have.

Speaker 9 (01:22:19):
In a classroom exactly.

Speaker 13 (01:22:21):
I mean, how real is it? You know, I don't
know it's real or not. I've not been sitting in
the classroom. This stuff is discussed. But it wouldn't it
wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
But at five, at five, they won't even know what
the hell you're talking about. I know, tell you what
I was doing at five mate. It wasn't wondering whether
I was a boy or not.

Speaker 9 (01:22:40):
I know, that's right.

Speaker 13 (01:22:41):
I'd blame Johnny Cash made boy named sir.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
What's the vibe is? I mean you're going to get
well you you're in New Zealander. Australia are going to
get absolutely spanked by the spring Box, aren't they.

Speaker 13 (01:22:56):
Well you'd think so, I'm in the box, are very
very strong playing at altitude alice part and you've got
James O'Connor, who I'm a big f I'm.

Speaker 9 (01:23:04):
A big fan of James O'Connor, always have me.

Speaker 13 (01:23:06):
And he's going to start his first Test over in
three years. He's going to start at number ten on
the weekend against the Box for the Wallabies. Now Joe
Schmidt that wasn't his preferred option, but Donnelly, who was
the preferred number ten, he was injured at training the
last training run, so O'Connor comes in. Maybe there's a
spot for Taine ed med He is the number three

(01:23:28):
pick for first five eights on this trip. But I mean,
having seen the Wallabies up against the I thought a
pretty ordinary lines outfit here in Australia.

Speaker 9 (01:23:39):
I thought the Wallabies should.

Speaker 13 (01:23:40):
Have won that second testant easily output of the Lions
and the third Test. You know, maybe they may surprise
some people with boy Boy.

Speaker 9 (01:23:50):
As you know and I know and every rugby fan.

Speaker 13 (01:23:52):
There's the Buddy spring box at home at altitude just
about principle exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
All right, mate, you have a good weekend. We'll catch
up next week. Appreciate it. Murray Old's all already fourteen
to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
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Speaker 9 (01:24:07):
At b.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Immigration numbers. I didn't have time to raise them with Murray,
but I'll talk to Steve about it Monday. But the
immigration numbers in Australia booming, and they're not booming here.
So people are choosing specifically to go to Australia and
not New Zealand. In fact, they're choosing in such large
numbers it's become once again a major problem. So obviously
there's something about Australia. I think we probably can all
agree what it is that they like over us, which

(01:24:31):
is unfortunate and disappointing. Maybe I'll raise it with the
Prime Minister on Monday as well. Anyway, iag insurance is
another thing to worry about. I don't know if you're
getting the same bills I am, but they're all going up.
IAG See. This is the tricky thing for iag on
and ami zide in state. So they got a profit
of six hundred and sixty four million dollars, which is
up on a year ago. So of course that's good
because you like a good successful company, but it's bad

(01:24:54):
because you're paying for it. We're all paying for it.
Written premiums increase one point seven percent. Insurance margin SYE
the margin was twenty seven point four percent. It went
up from twenty two point five. So they're making more money.
There's more profit in it. Now they'll go while we
need it, Boy, do we need a climate change and
data da da are, But you know we're paying the bill.
Home mode of premiums increased by more than ten percent.

(01:25:14):
That's no surprise to any of us. Private motor premium
decrease slightly, which is encouraging. Claims expenses were also down,
so they got a break on some of the stuff
they can't control, iev weather related things. You know they
can't control it it happens, they pay. If it doesn't happen,
they don't pay. So that's good. You can do nothing
about that. But the margins are interesting. But I don't
know what you do. You certainly you don't. You don't

(01:25:34):
want to. You don't want to to the point where
they don't want to insure us. And I don't know
how far off we are from that. And that's a major, major,
major question I've raised on this program many times over
the years. How many people are looking internationally because all
these insurers, of course, are reinsured. So the reinsurance market
look at a place like New Zealand, going, hey, it's
five million people, it's pot of the wild, who cares,

(01:25:55):
don't worry about it, leave them alone to it. And
next thing you know, we've got no insurance. So you
don't want that. Meantime, electricity Authority remember them? I asked
whether you remember them? Because they know what ever seen?
It was this time last year, middle of winter. We're
asking on this program with the hell of the electricity
authority as we were, But the spot price went through
the roof, and the whole electricity market seemed to be
on its knees. Now a year later, they've suddenly announced

(01:26:17):
yesterday they're investigating concerns over energy pricing. Well, hello, where
were you last year? The concerns over energy prices didn't
start this past Monday. So they're looking at contract availability,
business conduct, blah blah blah. They're working in association with
the Commerce Commission. A bunch of people users, mainly bigger users,
sent a letter to the Prime Minister. So maybe that

(01:26:39):
did something. But at last they've been shaken into life.

Speaker 22 (01:26:43):
It wasn't just that they thought, oh, we'll give it
a year seef it sorts it self out, and they went, ah,
it's still really expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Could have been that, but anyway, we might raise that
with the Prime Minister Monday as well. See I'm already
looking forward to Monday eight to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Good luck with your scan. Really, hope all goes well
for you can't do without you on breakfast. It's you're
very kind to say so, but it's not one of
those scans. It's to be perfectly frank, it's once again
an acquiescence to certain people.

Speaker 13 (01:27:14):
Yeah, one scan leads to another.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
That is true, I mean the potential. I mean, obviously
when they scan you, it can be I'm anticipating literally nothing,
but they could go, oh, I'll just get somebody else
to come back in and have a look at that.
That could change things materially out and bringing a counselor Yeah, exactly,
but I'm anticipating just it's it's it's just a little

(01:27:38):
once over. Lightly anyway, it's next week. Don't make me nervous,
don't text me. I'm now nervous. Now I got an
anxiety perform. How long have you been feeling so anxious? Exactly?
Well since that text five minutes away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
From not trending. Now with chemist.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Day, now we've got Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 9 (01:27:57):
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
I mean, obviously he went weird, but I love what
he did previous pride. Anyway, Nick FLICKX has got a
dokout about his life and it looks it's going to
be revealing. It's cooled, Yi, Charlie, shame.

Speaker 15 (01:28:11):
How do I present this with any class?

Speaker 9 (01:28:14):
I think, Charlie, we're past that.

Speaker 15 (01:28:17):
Yeah, when you got a lot of shame about a
lot of stuff, shame, shame is suffocating. I lit the fuse,
you know, and my life turns into everything it's it
wasn't supposed to be. There's only one person a live
that has the answers to so many people's questions about me,

(01:28:37):
and that did somebody call action?

Speaker 9 (01:28:39):
They need?

Speaker 14 (01:28:42):
They need going for speed?

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
You wanted to like him because he was lovable, brilliant,
had so charming and smart. Charlie is a pie baby
pussy bitch.

Speaker 20 (01:28:52):
Is there going to be anything called limits?

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Sounds good? I mind. You might be had to lock
him in the foot place. So Sean Penn's in there,
Chris Tucker, Denise Richards who he was married to for
a period of time, John Cryer, he'll be interesting. Brooke Muller,
he was also involved with her for a while. Chuck
law who was He was the producer of the part.
I can't even remember the name of the program. What
was it called The California two and a half Men,
of course it was. And Johnny Dipson there, Johnny Depp

(01:29:20):
talking about Charlie Sheen. What if he can relate?

Speaker 18 (01:29:23):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
The irony September ten on Netflix. We're not on Netflix.
We're on the radio, which is just as well because
it seems me access and it's by days of week
six through nine, and that's how we roll. And we're
never on spry Kia, which is good. Back tomorrow, Mond
decide the All Blacks and the Warriors tonight. You're nervous
about the Warriors tonight. I'm not remotely nervous about the
Warriors tonight. It'll be it'll be a punishing so that's

(01:29:46):
all good anyway. You have a good weekend and we'll
see you Monday. Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
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