Full Show Podcast: 15 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In New Zealand's home for trusted news and views, the
Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover villa designed to intrigue,
can use Togs, Dvorny.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
And while jering today, Turkey Pout and Zelensky. What chance
this goes anywhere? Some of the Mary Party got booted
out of the Parliament by the Privileges Committee. That's before
you get to the C word gate. Bill Foley, owner
of Auckland f C, the Vegas NHL team in the
playoffs at the moment, and a bunch of other sporting
operations on startups and building a winning team. He's with
us Afterwrights, Joe mckennon's and Rome Rod Littland does the

(00:31):
United Kingdom for us.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Pasky, We all.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to the day seven past six. Quick question on
how we employ people in the public sector. Can you
draw a dot or two between say, the Brian Roch
Report into the public sector that said it's not fit
for purpose or the Deloitte report into Health New Zealand
that said pretty much the same thing, and the overarching
direction on hiring in the public service which tells you
to favor diversity. The Minister Judith Collins is looking to

(00:55):
rewrite all this and remove inclusion or diversity and replace
it with merits. The fact we're even talking about this
shows just what a wayward country we've become, and it's
only now we're waking up to the damage this. By
the way, this diversity inclusion nonsense is for CEO type jobs,
people who actually run things, shape things, make major decisions.
Health New Zealand is eighty five thousand strong. It's a

(01:17):
city of people. Get the wrong personal people at the
head of that and you're done for. As we've seen,
it must surely be hard enough to find top talent
for the public service at the best of times. The
pay is not market leading for real talent, and you
would have thought that once you got a few diversity
highs in the wrong place, that would lead to a
reputation that would make it even more difficult to hire talent,
because the real talent can spot a fraud a mile

(01:39):
away and doesn't want a bar of it. So the
vicious cycles created, so you end up with fivedoms and
departments run by people who shouldn't be They're making decisions
that shouldn't be made, all driven by a mixed up
ideology that was somehow going to change the world or
feel good or whatever. Mad thought bubble drove the decision
of the day. In simple terms, we're the private or public,
but especially public. Less is more simple as better and

(02:00):
talent should be there on merit and be paid for
the skills. Having worked in the private sector most of
my life, I've seen how hard it is to find
the right people for the right job, even in the
best of environments. God knows how hard it must be
in the public sector when they've been busy ankle tapping themselves.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
What news of the world in ninety seconds?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Now the day now the Trump deals the Middle East
love and rolls on. He also met the new Syrian president.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Very good yuh, attractive guy, love gay, strong mass, very strong.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Bess okay. In another part of the Middle East, of
the Israelis, they continue to drop bombs. Late as one
killed fifty hospitals can't cope.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Standing outside the operation theater, you can see the damage
behind me. It's not even possible to take any cases
to theater.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Who is too dangerous.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
The theaters have been damaged in the staff unsurprisingly have
blessed at the moment to try and.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Seek some safety.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
In Britain, the crisis around the prisons as growing by
the day as they look to let more and more
prisoners out early.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
I think I'm prepared to do is to make sure
we never ever run out of prison places again. At
the moment as things stand today, by November we go
down to zero. It is the unconscionable that the last
government left us in this position.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Ah, yes, the last government. The toy is all libry.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
We chose to do absolutely everything other than release criminals.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
Early.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
We focus on getting foreign criminals out of our prisons
and out of our country. She's focused on releasing criminals early.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Trouble is there's a video which has emerged of another
Tory explaining deporting people isn't as easy as they made out.

Speaker 8 (03:35):
We did want some checks and found that about thoughts
about half the people crossing the channel had playing to silent.

Speaker 9 (03:41):
Previously elsewhere in Europe and Germany, France.

Speaker 8 (03:44):
Italy, Spain somewhere like that, and therefore could have been returned.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
But now we're out of Dublin, we can't do that.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Up to Daisy. Also in Britain, worries about a growing
potential spike in inflation.

Speaker 10 (03:55):
We are still seeing the impact of rising jobs data.
So if you think about the fact that national insurance
contributions ticked up, and that's got to be absorbed somewhere,
You've got to think about the fact that across the
public sector you've seen significant wage rises and the fact
that the services inflation was quite sticky.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Finally, look into the so called overworking. Now this is
out of Korea. South overworks has become the public health
concern in that part of the world. So they made
fifty two hours a week to legal limit. Now, the
studies found those working over fifty two hours had significant
changes to their brain due to a combination of physical
and emotional overexertion. These changes affected how they function how
they were able to regulate emotion. They said that the

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changes to your brain might be at least in part
reversible if you remove the overtime stress, but returning your
brain to its baseline state, whatever that is, could take
much longer. But sayre's nothing about what if you enjoyed
the job. What have you weeked longer than fifty two
hours a week and you enjoy your job. They don't
go into that bath. And here's the world in ninety seconds.
The deal in Qatar. We're a nothing official on the

(04:51):
plane on air Force one, and I'll get to that.
The legalities of it are fascinating. Anyway. They have done
a deal with Boeing and ge Aerospace ninety six billion.
So what's that one hundred and seventy hundred and eighty
billion New Zealand dollars They're going to sell Kataria ways
up to two hundred and ten aircraft. They're all Dreamliners
and Triple seven exes. It is Boeing's largest ever wide

(05:13):
body order, the largest ever seven eight seven order. So
the money is flowing. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
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Speaker 2 (05:26):
Sippy could be a win for Trump. Heinz Kraft, Hinds,
Tomato Sauce, or ketchup as they call it, has announced
this morning three billion to upgrade the US factories, largest
investment in its plants in a decade. I think that's
a win for him, isn't it. Fifteen past six. I'm

(05:47):
j my wild Hens and Yellowhow very good morning to you. Yeah,
good morning, Mike, flat ain't grolling Andrew.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Oh no, look, I've actually been.

Speaker 11 (05:56):
Feeling a little bit more upbeat about New Zealand economy
in the last sort of couple of it's that sort
of balance between those green shoots that are peeping out
and the ones that are wilting seem to be seen
to be favoring the ones that were doing well. I
could see the upside, you know, maybe biased to summer
and maybe into twenty twenty six, But yesterday's data hasn't
really helped that upbeat mood. I mean, we're definitely seeing

(06:17):
a slow improvement in the property market, We're definitely seeing
resilience and you know commodity prices dairy and meat that
that lagged effect of interest rate relief will start to
feed through over the second half of this year. But
the card spending data release yesterday shows that all the
good folk out there that are not really spending yet,
you know, it's not happening yet.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
So card spending declined over April.

Speaker 11 (06:39):
So this is stat's New Zealand electronic card transactions for
April twenty twenty five, and retail spending was flat compared
to the previous month, and that follows a zero point
eight percent four the month before that. But if we
if we look at total card spending which fell zero
point two percent. That is actually the fourth consecutive monthly fall.
The annual change sitting at minus point three.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Core retail spending.

Speaker 11 (07:05):
If we take fuel out of it, just it managed
a very small gain point two percent, and the annual
change without fuel point eight percent. So the thing is
my expectations I think in our starting that will start
to see small rises in these numbers, and we're kind
of not Look the last softness out there in petrol prices,
but that money that people were saving it in the

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fuel pump wasn't being redirected elsewhere, so grocery spending picked
up a little bit. But look, it's really evident that
discretionary spending this week and what you're actually seeing in
these numbers might tend to support or what we saw
in some of the commentary from some of the listed
companies around Babriscoes. You know, they said it's a challenging environment.
Sky City also said the retail environment is challenging. So yep,

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you're not out there spending yet people.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
No, we're not. Do you know why because we've all
left the country.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
We've all gone.

Speaker 11 (07:54):
Yeah, net migration blow, there's the other piece of data
from statues on yesterday, net migration flows have hit a
two year low, so net migration gain of twenty six thousand,
four hundred in the March.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Twenty five year.

Speaker 11 (08:05):
As ever, that will be subject to extensive for revision.
But this story's not a new one. My fewer mogrant
arrivals record migrant departures, and there's no sign of that
of that slowing at the moment. So net permanent long
term migration for the month two and a half thousand people,
which will get revised.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Look twelve months ago, so we're at twenty one hundred.

Speaker 11 (08:24):
Twelve months ago that number was over one hundred thousand,
So it's a fall of seventy four percent.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
That's a big number. What does it mean?

Speaker 11 (08:32):
Look like it It probably reflects the fact that the
economy is still a little soft.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
It hasn't really lifted. We can see that from the.

Speaker 11 (08:37):
Labor market numbers. So while the jobs market doesn't get
any worse, it's not getting any better.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
What does it mean though, What does low migration mean?

Speaker 11 (08:45):
So you don't get a lift in population growth, the
labor force doesn't get a lift, and at the moment
that's probably okay, because the labor market not looking that
great less demand for housing.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Of course, strong net migration.

Speaker 11 (08:56):
Had helped lift domestic demand, so it tended to flatter growth.
Remember there was the speculation though, that this permanent long
term migration umber could go negative. That hasn't happened. We
got the international travel number as well. Yearly numbers three
point three two million visitors. That's still well below that
magic four million pre COVID benchmark, but three point three

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to two million visitors for the twelve months to March
twenty five, as an increase of about one hundred and
thirty seven thousand from the twelve months to March twenty four.
The problem we've got here is the actual March month itself.
We had three hundred eleven eight hundred overseas visit rivals.
That's actually lower than March last year. So what we

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don't want to see is that sort of trend continue.
And if we look at the breakdown the Aussie visitors,
they're doing the heavy lifting at the moment they're coming.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
We has got to get good one else to come back.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Tell me the dollars up and the oils down.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well, I'll try so.

Speaker 11 (09:52):
The DAL Jones At the moment forty two thousand and
forty three, it's down ninety seven points. That's about a
point two to three percent fall. Two five hundred zero
is creeping into positive. Terroritors up four points five eight
nine one is the mark there. In the Nasdaq nineteen thousand,
one hundred and twenty four, it's up point six percent
one hundred and fourteen points.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
The foot to one hundred lost point two percent overnight.

Speaker 11 (10:14):
Eight five eighty five to close there, the nick A
down fifty five points, so it's all quite quiet last
night really, the nick A thirty eight thousand, one hundred
and twenty eight Shangha Competit did gain point eight six percent.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Though three four oh three.

Speaker 11 (10:27):
The Aussi's yesterday gained ten points now six two hundred,
so barely moved eight two seven nine, and we had
a very small seven point four on the inside's fifty
twelve thousand, seven hundred and seventy nine Kimi dollar point
five nine oh nine against the US, point nine one
seven eight against the OSSI against the Euro point five
to eight one.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
One Kiwi dollar.

Speaker 11 (10:46):
Will get you point four four four nine great British
pounds eighty six point five nine. Japanese en gold is
weakening off of it. Three thousand, one hundred and eighty
one dollars in Brent crude yet hasn't come down much.
Sorry about that, sixty six dollars and thirty six I
won't shoot.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
The messenger, though, well done. Andrew kallaher Jmiwealth dot co
dot m zscar. Honor of gaming is huge. Have a
look into gaming and see where game is going. It's
all up honor of King's peacekeeper. A lead of you
into the sort of stuff. They're up twenty four percent
year on year advertising business. Big jump there. I found
another bank that's profitable, the CBA. We'll see what the
New Zealand counterpart has to say. I'm assuming they're reporting

(11:22):
today or tomorrow whenever it is. Anyway, the Commonwealth out
of Australia CBA profits up to two point six billion.
They see they seem reasonably bullish about the Australian economy.
Six twenty one. Here at News Talks.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
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Speaker 2 (11:47):
Mike Bill Foley, Please ask him what's the single most
important single appointment he's made for a successful first season.
He's done at a number of times. That's a very
good question, and I will he's with us after eight.
I want to count of balance Andrews's negativity. This morning,
I've got a survey from seven hundred business leaders. This
is BDO's half yearly Business Well Being Index. Growth has
become the top concern for businesses in this country. What's

(12:09):
the significance of That means they're looking ahead. Traditionally it's
the day to day stuff, hiring people and do I
have any money? Am I making these sales. When you're
looking to growth, you're looking to the future. If you're
looking to the future, you're looking to hope. So that's
this morning's good news. Hope it helps Mike. Are they
suspended without pay? Yes they are, of course they are,
bloody idiot mind you. The difficulty is, and we'll talk

(12:29):
to Judith Collins later. The difficulty is do you reckon?
It's put them off for audio reckon. They're just reveling
in it. I think the latter morning, Mike, did you
see Brooke get up the lefties in Parliament yesterday? Do
you know for a nerd like myself? And as you
well know, I watch question Time every day most days
it's rubbish these days. The question time most days these
days reflects the malays of this country. Most of the

(12:50):
people in that house aren't particularly bright or talented. And
yet yesterday, as I watched that unfold live, it was magical.
Not magical necessarily in a good way, but magical in
a my god, this is a moment going down in
parliamentary history. I'm glad I was there, because live is
different than going back and going oh, did you hear
Brooke did this? When you watched it unfold out of

(13:12):
the blue, it was something you won't forget more. Late
six twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
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Speaker 2 (13:21):
Now Marvel and Disney they're looking to capitalize on the
success of the Thunderbolts. They think there's all hope, there's
a renewed interest in the old superhero business. So they
dropped the trailer for iron Hart, which is seen as
a little bit of a success of maybe to Danney
Junior's Iron Man, which of course started the Marble will
back in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 12 (13:37):
Herd Reary Williams was a genius, so so you went
are out.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
I see you, I see your third up wit to
be acknowledged for your greatness? How come you're not working
on one of those fancy tape forms After.

Speaker 13 (13:53):
My internship Abride, I'm want to build something undeniable, something important, Iconnec.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
If I can give you the tools to help you
carry out your vision. You know nothing about this man.
You're gonna end up dad or in jail.

Speaker 13 (14:15):
This is so much bigger than that.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
No big names. Dominic Thorn's the main character six EPs
Disney Plus June twenty four, also out overnight, Warner Brothers
Discovery have decided to rename their streaming platform. It was
HBO and they thought, oh, that's no good. I will
need to call it something different.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
We'll call it.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Let's call it HBO Max, which they then did. But
then they thought HBO Max. Let's just call it Max,
so they did, and then overnight they went max, what
are we going to call it now? Let's change it again.
So they're going to call themselves HBO Max. And you go,
hold on, weren't they called Hbox, Yes they were. So
they went from HBO to HBO Max to Max to
HBO Max. You reckon. They know what they're doing in

(15:02):
any way, shape or form. They could probably run. Health
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Speaker 1 (15:06):
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Speaker 2 (15:19):
Leo's out and back at the moment. He's involving himself
in the wars and he's meeting the famous people. He's
a busy old person. So Joe mckennon's and Rome's whether
shortly at twenty three to seven. Meantime, they more do
a numbers. As you heard from Andrew a moment ago
on this migration. Our latest data from the Stats Department,
one fewer people come into the country. In other words,
the peaks well and truly over to The mass exodus continues,
driven largely by young New Zealanders. Overall, we've got a

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net gain of just twenty six and four hundred for
the year ending March, along with the record loss of
around seventy thousand New Zealanders. Massi University sociologist Paul Spoonley
back with us. Paul, very good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (15:51):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Make I think the last time we talked you suggested
that a net negative wasn't going to happen. Do you
still hold that view?

Speaker 15 (15:58):
No, man, it's a question mark.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Mark.

Speaker 15 (16:03):
The net gain has dropped by eighty percent in the
last two years, so we've gone from one hundred and
thirty thousand net going down to the twenty six thousand
that you've just mentioned. And I don't know the answer
to this, but is it going to keep is it
plateauing now? Does it reached the bottom or is it
going to keep dropping? Are we going to see something

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like the net loss that we saw during the global
financial crisis where we went we saw more people leaving
than actually arriving. And that's the question mark.

Speaker 7 (16:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
That's why I asked you the question last time. I
think we'll go negative, and because you needed to see
the tail off on people arriving, I get, but you
needed to see the New Zealanders leaving tail off significantly
and it isn't. And then that surely is a worry,
if not a crisis.

Speaker 16 (16:52):
Well it is.

Speaker 15 (16:53):
And it looks as though the departing New Zealand is
year on year is around seventy thousand. Now, it would
be okay if we reached that seventy thousand in one
year and it started to come back, but it's not
it's staying at that seventy thousand figure. It's a lot
of people make.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
It is a lot of people. And what worries me
sick is the young people. And we could use a
few to fill some jobs and to grow the country
and make us a little bit better than we currently are.

Speaker 15 (17:21):
Yes, and if you look at the age profile, then
those twenty something New Zealanders are leaving. I suspect that
not all of them, but some of them are our
best and brightest. And the question is will they come back?
And yes, there are New Zealanders returning, so we can
see that net number around that forty five thousand.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
So we've got.

Speaker 15 (17:41):
About twenty five thousand New Zealanders coming back into the country.
But the other thing which is growing, which is of concern,
is the thirty something New Zealand is leaving. And you
would assume that they have been in jobs, they are
doing jobs that we need them to do in New Zealand,
and so why are they leaving? That would be good
to know. And secondly, I think that's a concern alongside

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those twenty somethings.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I couldn't agree more. Historically, you mentioned the GFC historically,
where do you think this sits? And the reason I
ask that question is the GFC ends and things go
back to I'm not convinced things go back to anything
this time around.

Speaker 15 (18:21):
No, And I think there are some international headwinds that
are going to arrive as well.

Speaker 14 (18:26):
So at the moment, it appears.

Speaker 15 (18:27):
That a lot of countries around the world that are
like ours, that are facing aging and a smaller younger
population because of fertility and immigration, are going to have
to some point get over their reluctance to see immigration
as being part of the solution. And when they do,

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then we're going to all have to compete for that
talent that is internationally available. And at the moment, I
would suggest that Canada, Australia, New Zealand are pretty much
the only game in town. We use a point system
identify the skilled migrants we want, and it's been pretty effective.
I mean there are issues, but it's been pretty effective.

Speaker 16 (19:06):
But if you get over.

Speaker 15 (19:08):
The current anti immigrant politics that you see in Europe
and they start and say yes, immigration, we want immigration,
we're going to have to compete internationally in a way
that we haven't done in the part.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Well, this is part of the malays As far as
I concern, Once upon a time we were like, oh
my god, New Zealand can't get there fast enough. I'm
not sure that's true anymore.

Speaker 16 (19:27):
No, it's not.

Speaker 15 (19:28):
And the figure that most concerns me in these latest
ones are the number of non New Zealanders who are leaving.
So I assume that those are migrants who have come
in the last ten years and have said no more,
I'm going. And you know, alongside the New Zealanders leaving,
we really can't afford to recruit migrants and for them

(19:49):
to stay, not to stay and to leave.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Paul, always a pleasure to talk to you, even on
such matters. Paul Springley's the Master University sociologist. I was
told the other day it's a big thing in business
these at the moment CEOs. Have you got a talent
at CEO, you lock them down because if you've got talent,
the world's your oyster. And too many people are looking
to leave and they can't be replaced, so you handcup them. Mike,

(20:12):
it's eighteen minutes away from seven by the Laski. People
are still leaving in droves because they've given up on
this government getting rid of DEEI and reinstating meritocracy. Equally,
the morification of New Zealand has a huge negative impact
on employment and migration that the government has failed to address.
Do you know, once upon a time, and not that
long ago, I wouldn't have dismissed that view, but I
wouldn't give it the weight that I am at the moment,

(20:34):
And I think increasingly you might be right. It's easy
to go our dei. That's no big it is and
I'm just looking at just a small story, but it's
indicative of everything that's wrong with this country. This Terrao
Mari stop go sign. You know the fact that that's
still going. And I've told luxon this god knows how
many times. This is the stuff you clamp down on. Yes,

(20:54):
he's got big fish to fry, but this is the
stuff you promised you would do something about. And yet
there's still somebody sitting in Hawk's Bay, some smart ass
who thinks they can turn up with a sign and Maori,
and not only that in a language we don't speak,
by and large, and therefore you could argue in a
safety situation is illegal, and yet it's still allowed to happen,

(21:17):
and no one's clamped down. On seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
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Speaker 2 (21:27):
EPI, gouple of very good text Mike Brownley seems to
be like a fish out of water. He does not
appear to be up with the play regarding protocols in
the House. A very good point. I'll come back to it, Mike.
I'm surprised that you would think that the show of
profanity in the Parliament is okay, a whole new low
standard set. Peter's was right, there's no place with us
carry on. I'll come back to that as well.

Speaker 17 (21:46):
Six forty five International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance
Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Joe McKenna, how are you.

Speaker 13 (21:54):
I am exhausted as you can imagine.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'm not surprised. He's a busy man. It's good to have,
dear I suggest not being age just about any of this,
but it's good to have an active pope who's out
and about and doing stuff.

Speaker 18 (22:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (22:04):
I was just thinking the same thing. Actually, he's sixty nine,
he's out and about. He hasn't been sitting still. He's
been making unscheduled visits around Rome. Today he also met
the tennis champion Janick Sinner at the Vatican.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
He shared a couple of jokes.

Speaker 13 (22:23):
Well, he was making jokes about Sinners the other day,
so maybe that was his idea of making that allegation
against him.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
He met the meet He's been meeting the media a lot,
hasn't he.

Speaker 13 (22:36):
He had a special audience with us on Monday, which
was very interesting. I was surprised. He gave a very
serious speech about defending media freedom around the world and
imprison journalists and asking journalists to watch the words that
we use, you know, not using weapons, using words as
a weapon of war. So really trying every speech he's given,

(23:01):
he's been trying to emphasize his message of peace so far,
and I think we're going to see that in focus
on Sunday at his official inauguration at the Vatican.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Is that going to draw a crowd?

Speaker 13 (23:14):
I think we're going to see perhaps more than one
hundred thousand. It's hard to predict those crowds. But will
we see for example, Vice President J. D. Vance from
the US, We will see President Voladimir Celenski and the
Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney and the Australian Prime Minister
Anthony Albernezis. So we're going to see some really interesting
international leaders at this inauguration on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
When you're close with him, has he got a bit
of the old expector?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Do you know?

Speaker 13 (23:42):
I was talking about it with some of the other journalists,
and we did feel that he had a certain kind
of presence. He's very self contained, he's quite reserved, and
yet he has a healthy sense of humor, and I
think he does have quite a presence about him.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Actually, how big is he not to be?

Speaker 7 (24:00):
Is he?

Speaker 4 (24:01):
What?

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Would he be? Five?

Speaker 16 (24:02):
What?

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (24:03):
I didn't get too close, but I'd say five to seven.
We low to talk in fete ninches.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, We've got to talk in fet ninchz. That's how
we do it. It's interesting now, this is because I'm
following Trump with the great deal of interest. As I
suppose the whole rest of the world is where he's
not going through the Middle East, is through Israel and
touching based on the Zola mateit in Yahoo, and I'm
getting increasingly the sense that the world's getting a little
bit fit up with what he's doing, and Maloney might
be on that same page.

Speaker 16 (24:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (24:31):
I was a little surprised today, Mike when the Prime
Minister Georgia Maloney attacked Natanna who saying what was going
on in Gaza was unjustifiable and dramatic, increasingly dramatic. And
then I looked at the polls and I thought, Aha,
So a recent Italian pole on the war in Gaza
said sixty eight percent of those surveyed said Israel's military

(24:54):
response there was unacceptable and disproportionate. So that tells you
where Maloney going at this point.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Interesting. How has mel Gibson been wrangled into luring Italian
films to the US And do they realize he's as
crazy as Yeah, I thought he.

Speaker 13 (25:11):
Was totally out of fashion, but now, of course he's
a muger. He's a Trump supporter, and Trump has wrangled
him into being some kind of special ambassador to promote
cinema and trying to get Italian producers to make Italian
films in the US. So we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Okay, go well, Joe, we'll catch up next week very much,
Joe McKinnon. Officially, we've got the Pope at five to
nine eighty seven kg's which my next obvious once you've
done five nine eighty seven cag's what's the bm I
on there? It's nice. It's ten minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
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Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, Mel Gibson, John Voitz, Sylbster stallone a special movie
Ambassadors twenty eight point four. As you BMI for the
pope upper category of overweight. So it shows that he
doesn't look over weight, does he? But that's the clothing.
That's what good design will do for you.

Speaker 12 (26:07):
Yeah, I'm thinking about moving into something a little bit
look with some robes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Browne seems to be like a fish out of water. Yeah,
it's not a bad point. I'm disappointed and Brownly as
speaker of the House, I would regard myself not scouting.
I'm just saying I watch a lot of it. I
would regard myself as an aficionado of question time. I've
watched a lot of speakers at worked. He's not particularly good.
He's contankerous. He tries to be funny periodically.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
He is.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
He's got quite a good sense of humor. And a
reasonably good one line periodic. But most of the time
he's just in a bad mood and it doesn't help,
and he doesn't let the house flow, and it should
be allowed to flow. Mike, I'm surprised you would think
that the show of profanity in our parliament's okay. Didn't
say it was okay, And if I did, I misspoke
what it was. What I am a big proponent of
is using the language in an appropriate fashion. And what

(26:53):
Brook van Velden did yesterday was steel. The moment, if
you watched it live, there was that you saw a
shift in the debate. You could almost see the whole
house go wool because it came out of nowhere. And ironically,
Brownly had butchered the whole process up until that point

(27:13):
in time, and he had prevented her from speaking, and
that in and of itself looked misogynist. And I'll come
back to this because the point everyone lost there, you
know what, over the sea word. But the real point
van Velden made was completely missed by the media, and
it was an important point and she made it so
well that you saw the entire thing move. So the

(27:35):
other thing about the sea word is it as part
of the language, like it or not. And she was
quoting somebody, And when you quote somebody, in my view,
you're allowed to use the word five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
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your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Now our housing market. I got some reasonably good news
Cotality New Zealand. Exactly, we've had a rebrand. I may
get back to that anyway. They were formally call Logic.
They've decided to call themselves this morning, Coatality. This is
the Cotality Pain and Gain Report for the March quarter.
Nine out of ten resellers are making a profit, so
it's ninety point eight specifically, which is down from ninety
one point one, so it's down a bit, but still

(28:16):
most people make a profit. The boom time was ninety
nine percent, but that was COVID and everyone was crazy
at that particular point in time. How much do you
make average profit? Two hundred and eighty thousand dollars last
quarter it was two ninety eight. The peak was four forty,
so not what it was, but still pretty good. If
you made a loss, total loss decreased slightly, so you're
only losing fifty grand. That's in line basically with the

(28:36):
last three yearly average losses fifty to sixty grand. Thereabout
all of this happens while house prices are sitting still
at sixteen percent below the twenty twenty two peak. Nothing
changes though. On the ownership thing, the key is the
longer you own, the more you make. Average owner had
be home for nine point one years. Average time for
loss is three point three So, in other words, if
you flicking quickly, chances are you going to lose money.

(28:57):
Other thing that happens is if you're selling a house
versus an apartartment. House, you probably won't lose money. Apartment you
may well do. Eight point four percent of home sold
at a loss, thirty two percent of apartments sold at
a loss. So if you got an apartment and you
fleck it quickly, you're done for. Basically, if you've got
a house and you hold it for a while, you're okay.
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(29:22):
and a total approach to the property industry. They have
a new logo, They have a new tagline, Intelligence Beyond Bounds.
How you come up with that? Why you come up
with that? Who are you paying? How much you pay
to somebody to come up with that? I got no idea,
but core logic, to my mind sort of made sense. Cotality.

(29:44):
Maybe it's just part of this weird and wacky world
in which we live at the moment. So don McKinnon
form a foreign minister? What's you make of this? Is
put going to be there? Is the Lensking going to
be there? They're actually going to talk? Do they want
to peace? As the war over? What happens? Let's have
a look at this. Bill Foley of Auckland FC and
the Vegas Black Knights. He's with us after light o'clock
as well.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
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Speaker 2 (30:13):
Be seven past seven. So Turkey becomes the center of
a lot of stuff tonight. Marco Rubio is going to
be making the Syrian foreign minister, apparently on a bigger stage.
Zelensky is going to meet perhaps Putin, perhaps not to
try and maybe maybe not sort out the war. So
we're part of the coalition of the Willing. Obviously so
we've got a stake in all of this. Former Foreign
Minister Sir Don McKinnon back with us. Don morning, good
morning to you. Do you do you sense there's goodwill

(30:35):
here that this could go somewhere, or we wouldn't have
a clue.

Speaker 16 (30:38):
I think there's a lot of goodwill on Zolensky's side.
I'm not sure there's goodwill on Putin's side, and I'm
not sure the Americans have their own presitant choreographed to
go in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Okay, so there's some sort of rumor that Trump may
show up. Does do these key people need to be
in the room or can you do this without them?

Speaker 16 (31:00):
Well, you could do it without them. But this has
been very finely balanced, really, and there's a great deal
of uncertainty about what sort of a deal would trump'sy
is successful, and I think there's a fairly body of
opinion which said he would be prepared to give too
much away to Russia. That's not good because you know,
the coach and the willing countries like us, the liberal

(31:23):
democracies we do stand up for that freedom of sovereignty
which is Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Do we actually have a say? And more important, I
suppose does the EU and NATO have a say, those
three get in the room and somehow come to an arrangement.
Who else gets to, you know, toss their ten cents
with him?

Speaker 16 (31:40):
What has arranged really, if it's agreed upon between Trump
and Putin, is probably the final deal? Is that good
for Zelenski? That is, we don't know. And this is
where the worry is. I think the European leaders have
done a tremendous amount of stepping up to the plate.
Our long way from where they'd liked be. But they

(32:01):
certainly have influence, as does NATO, and it's very real
for that part of the world. My an old friend
of mine, the former foreign Minister of Estonia, says quite candidly,
if Ukraine has lost, we are next. We and Estonia
are next. And she's quite truthful about that, because they
know what it's like to be under the Russian.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Heel and talking about truthful. When America says let's sort
this or we're out, do you believe them?

Speaker 16 (32:30):
Well, you can sort it out, but to whose advantage.
I'm not sure that the Trump administration is fully behind
the sovereign state of Ukraine as we all expect it
to be and that will be tested by this meeting
in Turkey.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
All right, appreciate Tim very much to Don m Kenton,
former Foreign Minister with us this morning. It's name and
it's past seven, Oscar. The family boost thing seems to
be we don't have you to Doory. Oh she's there?

Speaker 18 (32:54):
Is she?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
My apology? Someone should have told me. Privileges Committee got
there on the end, Marry Patty co leaders packron Ytt
is suspended for twenty one days, as might be Clark
gets seven. They've been suspended under the notion of contempt
of the House. Judith Collins is, of course the Privileges
Committee chair and as well. It's a very good morning
to you.

Speaker 9 (33:11):
Oh good morning mine.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Wheels turn a bit slowly in this Judith or not.

Speaker 9 (33:15):
Well, it's been a long process, Mike, and I'd say
that the Committee has undertaking every opportunity we can to
engage meaningfully with the three members of Parliament and we've given,
as I said, every opportunity, but eventually we've got their
towards determination.

Speaker 7 (33:34):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Are you allowed to talk about what happens in the
Privileges Committee? I mean we're universal in your view? Do
you go along party lines, do you fight your throw
sandwich is what happens.

Speaker 9 (33:44):
Well, over the six months, it's been very collegial and
people have been working really hard across the committee to
try and come to consensus. But of course the factors
is that some people are going to see things differently.
But there's obviously near the end when it came down
to penalties, that's where there's a disagreement in particular. Although

(34:08):
as you see from the reports from the differing views
of Labor Agreeens and to party Mari even they are
differing from each other.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Okay, so just to bring everyone up to speed, who
doesn't follow the privilegeous committee. First of all, it's sitting
days or just days.

Speaker 9 (34:25):
It's days. Well that's so the suspension, well no suspension
carries with it a lack of salary for twenty one days.
It's actually a very severe penalty compared to what else
has been awarded in the past. So suspension is not
only from the house, it's suspension from salary. So that's

(34:47):
actually quite we haven't had that for that period of
time before. But then, as I say, we've never seen
that level of behavior before either.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, I'll come to that. I have time in a
moment the vote it need to be voted on. Would
you expect it to be confirmed vote wise?

Speaker 9 (35:04):
Well, I expect it will be confirmed on Tuesday for
the vote, but look, hopefully some other parties will come across.
But I think it's very much clear that the MPs
on the Privilegus Committee, the National Act and New Zealand
First MPs felt this was a reasonable position and given everything,

(35:27):
I really do think it was a reasonable position to
come to.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Are they contriy it in any way given the way
they behaved? I mean, if this is supposed to be
some sort of deterrent, I don't see it. I mean,
these people are lauren to themselves, aren't they.

Speaker 9 (35:38):
I think that's a de terrent for many people. But
the main thing is it's about that day and what happened.
We found some level of contrition from as Mighty Clark,
the least experience of the MPs, but only from the
point she had apologized to the Speaker herself the next day,
so that was something I think. You know, we also

(36:01):
learned from her media comments that there was quite a
level of premeditation, which course did not help the case.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I'm watching you yesterday, Judith and Brooklyn and what's become
of us? The hell is going on?

Speaker 9 (36:17):
You know, there's a lack of civility now and it's
not acceptable. And I feel that, you know the comments
of the print journalist in the Sunday Star Times this
last Sunday was one of the lowest points I think
I've seen in twenty three years. That and what happened
on the fourteenth of November and Parliament, it's just the

(36:41):
sort of behavior towards each other that is despicable. So
I'd say to brook you know, I wouldn't use the
word myself, but I did feel that she at least
stood up for herself and for all the rest of us.
And I am waiting for someone of the left persue
in our parliament. One MP, just one to come out

(37:04):
and say it's not okay to attack people just because
you don't agree with what they do.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Couldn't agree with that one, all right, I talk to you,
Judith Collins, privileges head and esteemed Member of the House.
Fourteen past seven.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
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Speaker 2 (37:25):
I mean, I'll make mcgrian our military experts back with
us in the early hours and an Australian morning in
a couple of moments of Putin's and Lensky meeting, we'll
see what he makes of it all from military perspective
meantime seventeen past seven to the Work from Home Department
where mediation between the government of the unions has fallen over.
So it's off to the Employment Relations Authority. So what
does the law say around about this? Jennifer Mills is

(37:46):
an employment law specialist and cheesbag with us as well.
Jennifer Morning, Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
I'm extremely well. I think this has been invented out
of COVID. Correct me if I'm wrong, And if it has,
is there any actual well established law around whether you
can or who makes the rules and whether you have
to follow them?

Speaker 19 (38:02):
Well, it absolutely has had its genesis because of the
COVID situation, and there was a guidance issued by the
government in twenty twenty which enabled public sector workers to
work from home by default. And what we've got here
is Sibrian Roche issuing a new guidance which says no
working from home is not an entitlement. It's got to

(38:24):
be by contractual agreement between the employee and employer, and
it can only be agreed where performance isn't compromised. The
PSA is running a novel argument that this is discriminatory
this guidance, noting that, of course Sir Brian Roche has
very broad powers under the Public Service that to issue

(38:45):
this guidance in any event. But the PSA's argument is
that it is discriminatory and it is inappropriate for the
government to restrict flexible working practices in this way.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
How can you argue about something that wasn't even a
thing until it was, and then you're just going back
to what it was beforehand.

Speaker 19 (39:05):
I understand that it's a good question, Mike. I understand
that the PSA are relying on the fact that there
is this new guidance and that this guidance is somehow
included in employees' collective agreements. But the argument that there's
a breach of workers collective agreements will necessarily fail because
the guidance expressly carves out any employees express right to

(39:29):
work from home. So let's put that to one side.
The rest of the argument is that this new guidance
is discriminatory because of the impact it has on women,
and I can't see a legal basis to run.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
An other Well, they're not running that this is an
equity of what a pile of Well, I mean, I
suppose I'm a union. I try anything on. Can they
win this? Would they win this?

Speaker 19 (39:52):
In my assessment, the authority would not find that the
PSA's argument or arguments would be successful. I can't see
a successful argument that women are being treated differently by
reason of the mental family's datus. And I can't see
that it's indirect discrimination. Sure, there is a negative impact

(40:13):
on women, but the condition can be justified objectively, and
that's the legal test here. So I cannot see that
the authority would find in favor of the PSA.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Good stuff, Jennifer, appreciate your time as always, Jennifer Mills,
who's with Jennifer Mills and Associates. You noticed there it's
almost like the unions are overreaching on the pay equity law,
which might lead you to believe the pay equity law
might need changing. I'll come back to Brook van Velden
in a moment seven twenty.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
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Speaker 2 (40:55):
Small update on what I said this time yesterday on
pay equity see my gut says and upset it a
couple of times.

Speaker 13 (41:01):
Now.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
This isn't going to damage the government. Now, Don't get
me wrong. If I was the opposition, I'd be prosecuting
this as hard as it possibly could the way they are,
in fact, because they have a genuine issue and ongoing
issue at least until the budget that they quite rightly
believe is there for the taking in terms of points
and headlines and moral high ground. Now I don't think
that ultimately is true, but I fully get that they

(41:23):
think it is. The tide though turned yesterday in Question Time,
not because Brook van Velden dropped the sea word. Watching
it live, it really was quite the moment. Question Time
has become doura. As I said earlier on in the program,
there's limited talent in the House these days, and the
speaker's cantankerous and ruins the fund. But yesterday was alive
with freshant. Van Velden's might drop moment was in fact

(41:44):
pointing out that Jantinetti, the questioner, a former woman's minister,
a woman who railed against misogyny, was using misogyny by
quoting a misogynistic article authored by a woman to make
her point that led to applause. Rightly so, and further
expose the Labour Party and in fact most of the
Opposition benches as frauds who are arguing the pay equity

(42:06):
issue using bogus material and fake facts. The more this
is debated, the more hope you have that a wider
grouping of us will tune in and get into the detail,
because it's in the detail the truth lies, and the
truth is the equity laws or rules were a shambles
and being milked by unions, an example of which was
just given on this program a couple of moments ago.
But the tide turned also are because there seems genuine

(42:28):
anger within the government over what Andrea Vants was allowed
to do. And when I say aloud, I assume she's
edited and therefore cleared. The odd thing for me is
I struggle to get upset at being attacked. I mean,
being a public figure, you are open for this sort
of stuff, and I've received more than most its water
off a duck's back, especially from an angsty journalist Van
Velden Collins, and as Varce calls them, the hype squad

(42:48):
seem though, and you saw this yesterday, seem genuinely outraged.
And it's that outrage that turned or at least will
turn the dial. If they argue on fact and the
other side continue to argue you on a motion using lies,
bogus material and foul language, they will eventually lose. Hence
the dent that so many thought was coming for the
government will never arrive. ASKI body, Mike. The Privileges Committee

(43:12):
just added a twenty one day bus ticket to the
most racist to visit political party ever. Probably true. I
think that's probably true. But that's no different from a court.
There are people who are shocked to their core at
receiving a sentence in the courts of the land. There
are people who give the middle finger and couldn't give
the monkeys. So this is no different, Mike. Ironically, the
suspensions won't make a difference to their attendants. They hardly

(43:34):
show up as it is. Would you quote the N word, Mike.
The big differences, and this is where I defend this
are probably not N and sea I'd probably withdraw from,
but I'd come awfully close to be blunt. If I'm
quoting somebody, I'm a big believer. If you're quoting somebody,
you quote the quote, and so in that sense, if
you're really finding the sea word distasteful, blame Andrew of Ants.

(43:56):
Don't blame a person quoting Andrew of Ants. Andrew of
Vance started this, and she was allowed to start it
by people in the newspaper who should be ashamed of
themselves what they were thinking. I've got no idea, unless,
of course, the ore the sort of people who sit
there listening to this reveling away going, oh, look at
all the publicity we manage to get ourselves. But then
that's a very slippery slope, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yesterday Brook illustrated and illuminated, and I'm under rules. That
was my point. In parliament, you can say whatever you like.
You've got parliamentary privilege, especially if you're quoting something, whereas
I may I could probably claim if I'm quoting I'd
defend myself at that in the BSA, that's if you
took the BSA seriously. I take the BSA about as

(44:34):
seriously as to take the Privileges Committee. Yesterday Brook illustrated
and illuminated what has been obvious to us for a
long time. The left only have empathy for their own.
They do not accept that anyone on the right suffers,
the perception being that people who do well deserve ridicule. Mike,
what time does Question Times start today? See? There you go.
If nothing else has come out of this, if we
get more people watching democracy unfold and how this country

(44:57):
has run, that's no bad thing. The answer is two o'clock.

Speaker 12 (45:00):
Can they have a word of the day? Maybe at
Question Time?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
No? Okay, Mike, just because you put three dots after
a letter doesn't diminish the meaning of the message. Good
on Brook for bringing the message home. Brook van Velden,
I suspect. I don't know if she's set out to
do it, but she had, without question, her finest moment
as a politician, and it might have been the moment

(45:24):
that got to her. But it's a moment she will
never forget for fairly obvious reasons. Right this get together
in Turkey? Is this going anywhere?

Speaker 9 (45:32):
Or not?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
McK ryan's back.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
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Speaker 2 (45:45):
Well, welcome back Bill Foley After eight o'clock. US billionaire.
He's the owner of a part owner of upland f C.
He owns a number of sports franchises around the world.
He's into English football. These owner of the NHL Black Knights.
Vegas Knights are playoff today with the Edmonton Oilers. There
three nil down, so three one down, So I'm kind

(46:06):
of hoping he's in a good mood because the chance
of coming back to school one down is slimmish. Anyway,
we're talking about Auckland. That seems great story. After eight
o'clock meantime, back to the big business tonight in Turkey?
Or is there tight lips all around as to who's
going to be there. I'm suggesting Trump may even get involved.
A Slitski says he will be there. Putin has said nothing,
So what chance this blows up? Or maybe we've got

(46:27):
an end in sight. Retired Australia Major General and strategistic
Ryan back with us on the program.

Speaker 8 (46:31):
Very good morning, Yeah good, it's great to be with
you again.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I appreciate you getting up early for us. Now, the
desire for progress. Who's got who blinks first?

Speaker 18 (46:41):
You?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Who needs who more.

Speaker 8 (46:44):
I actually think Putin probably needs this more than anybody.
At the end of the day, he's not doing that well.
He likes to messages that he's taking grand in Ukraine,
but essentially he's failed at his core objective to the war,
which is to subjugate Ukraine. Trump would obviously like to
see some kind of progress, but he's also indicated that

(47:06):
he's happy to walk away if he doesn't achieve that.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Do you believe he'll walk away or America walks away or.

Speaker 8 (47:12):
Not not at this point because pretty much every promise
Trump has made during the election campaign and since he's
walked back on, including tariffs and these kind of things.
So you know, I think we should take that walk
away threat with a grain of salt. Hee and Witkoff
have been threatening this for months. They yet to do it.
They remain engaged, and we see that both Witkoff and Kellogg,

(47:36):
the other American who's involved in this process, will both
be in Turkey for these talks if they occur.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Are they being stretched as the administration being stretched at
the moment between Iran, the Middle East, the Tourran? What
else can I think of?

Speaker 7 (47:54):
That?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
In the India, Pakistan, Syria, I mean too much going on.

Speaker 8 (48:02):
Well, I think the degree of threats would be an
intellectual and physical challenge for any administration. And this isn't
the most capable or intellectual administration we've seen in America's history,
So you know, they are stretched, and you know, the
world is probably the most at the most dangerous point

(48:22):
we've seen in many, many decades. So any administration would
be struggling. This one is probably struggling more than most
would have.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
They overplayed their hand, the Americans, that says on the
minerals deal while threatening to walk, given that, why would
you walk if you've got a minerals deal.

Speaker 8 (48:39):
Well, they certainly overpromised and underdelivered on it. I mean,
at the end of the day, they walk back a
bunch of threats on paying back this ludicrous three hundred
and fifty billion dollar figure, which was just some made
up figure in Trump's mind. And we should remember too
that the Americans in twenty seventeen signed a very similar
deal with the government of Afghanistan. Two years later went

(49:01):
behind their back and negotiated a peace with their enemies.
So you know, I don't think we should hold out
too much hope for this minerals deal, other than it
might keep the Americans interested in Ukraine in the future.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
As we understand it, the American ideas Crimea has gone
to the Russians because no one objective when they grabbed it,
and the ground they've got currently they get to keep.
One can Zelenski live with that? Can the people of
Ukraine live with that? And two? If they could? Is
that a win for Russia? And is that how Putin
would see it?

Speaker 8 (49:33):
Firstally, I think that the Ukrainians will remain pretty pragmatic
in negotiating a ceasefire, a war termination agreement may see
them except that the Russians temporarily occupy Ukrainian territory. But
they've been very clear and I don't think this will change.
They won't accept that these are parts of Russia. And

(49:56):
you know, this will be a problem for Russia in
the future too, because Russia will have to pretend it's
occupied Leans against the Ukrainians. So it's a threat to them.
You know, at the end of the day, no one
wants peace more than the Ukrainians do. But as most
of the Poles in Ukraine have pointed out, Ukrainians don't
want peace at any price.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Do you believe the narrative that unless Putin has stopped,
he will carry on? Does he have the capability to
carry on if he hasn't done that?

Speaker 8 (50:26):
Well here, yeah, absolutely, I mean it's no longer a narrative,
it's an intelligence assessment from multiple European countries that Putin
is beginning with Ukraine, not ending with Ukraine. That's why
the Poles are spending, you know, are over four percent
of their GDP underfense. Why the Baltics and Finland and

(50:48):
Sweden are why Finland and Sweden joined NATO even when
they didn't during the Cold War. They all believe the
Putin has wider designs on a sphere of influence in Europe,
and even if he doesn't have the capability, he is
building the capability. But even if he didn't, it would
be prudent for us to assume that he wants to
do that and take the measures necessary to deter that behavior.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Where does the EU and NATO fit into this? Can
a deal be done without them, you know, actually being
involved or is it a photocompley or what?

Speaker 8 (51:21):
No, I don't think there's a deal here without the
EU being involved and NATO. I mean EU has a
much closer relationship with the EU than the United States
does in many respects Ukraine is on the pathway to
EU membership. You know, you can look up the annual
assessments of how Ukraine he's doing on that.

Speaker 12 (51:41):
NATO is a bit different.

Speaker 8 (51:43):
I mean, you've already seen the Europeans inching around a
different alliance construct than the current US led NATO. So
I think EU is going to be an essential part
of a solution for Ukraine purely because of the economic
dimensions of reconstruction and post war development for.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Ukraent simple terms, what happens, Is this going to get
sorted or not?

Speaker 8 (52:07):
If I was a betting person, I wouldn't be expecting
too much out of any meeting that happens in Turkey.
We don't even know who's going to turn up. Putin
is still stringing everyone along. I don't know that he
can continue to do that successfully with the Americans, even
they at some point become frustrated with him.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Always a pleasure, make appreciate your time very much. Let's
talk again soon. Retired major general academic and strategists these
days mcryan out of Australia seventeen minutes away from eight
just asking on the business of the plane and Trump
that I've been reading about, and I got to get
it out of the way, otherwise I'll forget. Many years
ago Martin van Buren, who was a US president, in fact,

(52:45):
he was the US president. He was the eighth US president,
and he was the US president between eighteen thirty seven
and eighteen forty one, and they decided that they would
give him some stuff. And I'll tell you the stuff
in just a couple of moments. The Constitution requires that
gifts are be declared. I deem it, he wrote my
duty to lay the proposition before Congress for such disposition

(53:07):
as they may think fit to make of it. After
explaining that he understood such gifts anyway were against the law,
Congress had a look at that and said, mate, it's
against the law. What he had been offered was some lions,
so they went to a zoo. He was offered some horses,
so they got sold, and he got offered some pearls
there now in the Smithsonian. As far as the planes concerned,

(53:30):
the argument from the Trump camp is that it's been
given to the Pentagon, and that may give them legal cover. Also,
what is interesting is they may well rely on the
Supreme Court and that ruling around the President being basically
immune from anything, and if that wasn't a complete immunity,

(53:50):
it was a partial immunity. But he may well rely
on that to get him through this. Seven five.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
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Speaker 2 (54:08):
Morning. My history doesn't favor the Golden Knights of the
three hundred and fifty two NHL teams trailing a playoff
series three one just thirty two of advanced success rate
of nine percent. Great stat. Love a good stat Mike
email I got from London this morning. I'll have you
in a moment. But this is the other one I
got domestically. My wife and I are going to celebrate
our sixtieth wedding anniversary. Will congratulations on that? Twenty two

(54:29):
May fantastic. Pleasantly surprised to receive a card congratulating us
from our local MP personally signed. You don't say who
the local MP is. That would vary for me. There
are certain MPs I wouldn't mind getting a card from
the ourser put them straight in the bin. The next
day we got a card from the Prime Minister again
personally signs very nice and mister and missus or missus

(54:50):
and mister Governor General personally signed. I would not have
thought the people in those offices would have taken the
time to do such a thing that's generational. These days
everyone thinks you owed everything from your generation. Bill, you're
grateful for anything. But I didn't realize that was the
thing either, and it clearly is, which is good. And
maybe you'll get something from the King as well. Who

(55:11):
knows sixtieth diamond You can't argue with them. The other
email I got from London, Mike, I'm a key you
based in London, listened to you show each morning or evening.
I was struck by your comments about the cost of
smoked salmon here in London. I regularly purchased smoked salmon
for nineteen nineteen bonones FIFTEP, which is approximately forty New
Zealand dollars. The stark difference is one of the many

(55:31):
reasons we decided to leave the country. It's disheartening to
see such high prices for local products. I believe the
economic policies under Robertson and Owe have played a significant
role in the situation, Absolutely true, one hundred percent. I
emailed back, of course and said, I take it. It's
the proper Scottish stuff, And you said one hundred percent Scottish.
So he's paying for the real deal forty bucks a kilos.

(55:53):
So how does it get to one hundred and twenty
five in this country?

Speaker 1 (55:58):
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Speaker 2 (56:03):
Be tiving away from it normally when it comes to
thrills and tourism, of course aj Hackett gets a lot
of headlines. But what about Skyline. They they're behind the
luge ride. Of course you've been done the Lusion, Queenstown,
done the Lousion rode a ruler. Well, the Skyline Louge
has just passed one hundred million rides. They've got eight
tracks around the world. They're about to open another one
in Swansea and Wales. Grant Henzman as the director of

(56:23):
Skyline Enterprises and as well, there's Grant by good morning
to you, Good morning one hundred million. Who would have thought, hey.

Speaker 14 (56:31):
Yeah, it's a big number, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I reckon? Do they all perform are basically the same
no matter where you put them in the world. The
same sortish number of people come and pay the same
sort of amount of money a year.

Speaker 14 (56:43):
It's relatively the same cookt price, which fate's back to
what is affordable on the market. They don't all do
the same numbers, some types for far more numbers than others.
Two of the sites are season or they're only operator
in the summer in Canada.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, you've got a couple in Kenaday, got the rest
in Asia. What's brought the whales thing on? Because you're
not in that part of the world.

Speaker 14 (57:08):
Well, we're actively looking for expansion. We don't limit ourselves
to any particular jurisdictions. There are some jurisdictions that we're
probably more reluctant to go for for a raft of reasons.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
What are you Is it simply a build that and
you will come thing, find a slope, put a track
and they will come. Or is it more complicated than that?

Speaker 14 (57:33):
Yeah, only if it was that simple, right, No. We
look for sites that already have other activities around them.
They need to have a number of criteria, which is
the right amount of elevation, the right population, the right
regulusory environment, and the business still has to work for

(57:58):
the company is it tourism?

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Are locals? If I'm in rot Rua, do I lose
on a regular basis because I live there or not?

Speaker 14 (58:06):
Here's a lot due One of the successes of the
lush is the retief business. We have people who have
been coming back full four forty years. We've been going
the road to ruly started as kids and are now
bringing their game kids.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Have the carts changed dramatically?

Speaker 14 (58:23):
No, no, the principle is exactly the same, and they
have got a lot more robust. I mean in the
early days we had real troubles, cut bodies, folding, conveyors
not working mechanically. They failed. Maintenance was a killer, and
our engineer of the day took what was the early
systems and involved it into the robust product that you

(58:47):
see today.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
It's interesting, is that do you worry about the danger
side of the equation in a world of we worry
about everything?

Speaker 14 (58:56):
No?

Speaker 6 (58:57):
No.

Speaker 14 (58:58):
Over the years we've had a real folk to so
on improving the safety and reducing the accidents, which continues
to be one of her main focuses today or the
main focus and period. The accident rate's gone down in
the order of three to four thousand per cent.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Jeez, good on you. Well, congratulations Grant. I got to
be honest, I didn't realize they were as big as
they are. I mean, I've been to rot and have
been to Queenstown, but they are in various parts of
the world, as I say, in Asia and up into
they're in Singapore, there's and Tozer, so you've probably been
on that one up into Canada as well and now
opening in Whales. One hundred million rights started in the
sixties nineteen sixty six by Grant's dad Hilton, used for

(59:40):
you in a couple of months. Actually, speaking of sport,
Auckland FC, surely that's the sports story of the year
to start to win, to dominate our first playoff game.
Of course, this weekend, the man behind it all, mister Foley,
is with us shortly.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Number A seven past eight. Even if you don't follow football,
the Auckland FT story is one for the ages. Brand
new team wins the comprom the per season. The playoffs
for the title itself begin this weekend. Of course, in
a home and away affair set up by Bill Foley,
who knows a bit about sport, being part of the
Vegas Golden Knights who have been playing the Edmondon Oilers
and this year's Stanley Cup playoffs, and Bill Foley is
back with us. Bill, very good morning to you.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
Yeah, good morning to you, actually the afternoon here, but
that's nice to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Make it's good to have you back on the program.
As far as the Golden Knights, before we get to
walkingd the FC, As far as the Golden Knights are concerned,
I'm sure you're well aware of these statistical probabilities of
coming back from three to one. How bullish are you?

Speaker 7 (01:00:53):
Well, we have a ninety two percent negative chance, So
it's not good. It's not good. We just in game two,
I think we had like thirty five shots and they
had around twenty, and we had so many chances and
their goalie was unbelievable. And then it got to overtime
and we had more good shots and they got really
a lucky break. And I saw that in game two

(01:01:16):
because we've lost game one. I thought, uh oh, this
is the problem. Because if we'd left Vegas one and
one I knew we could win a game in Edmonton
and maybe back to two to two, and then it's
then it's a three game series in effect, and with
two games at home for us. But now we've got
to the boys have got to fight back, and they are.

(01:01:36):
Then they're feeling good. I was. I had lunch with
the I went downstairs and had lunch with him today
and I saw everybody, and I got a went to
one of our physios and I had some treatment on
my on my from my back. They kind of worked
on me once in a while. And all the guys
are down there and they all hang out in the
medical room, and they feel good. They're confident, So I

(01:01:59):
think they've I think they're almost like what you said,
it's almost like a challenge. You know, everyone says, we
have no chance. Let's go prove we let's go prove
we can do this, which is which is a great attitude.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Good well, good luck to die Auckland f C. I
hope from your distance you've been able to see and
feel what's unfolded, because what a fantastic story.

Speaker 7 (01:02:23):
Boy, what a great year we've had. You know, we
knew we had a very we'd have a very competitive
team based upon you know, bringing Terry mcflyinn in and
Steve Courica and then the way they worked with our
scouts and so on at Bournemouth, and we really we
really collaborated on putting the team together, especially with the

(01:02:43):
with the Visa the Visa players and the Marquee players.
So we knew we were going to have a very
competitive team and we overachieved. So I am. I am
thrilled for Auckland f C. I really am. They've just
come together and you know, we had a little a
little kind of lapse, I would say when we started

(01:03:04):
tying a bunch of games and in February and March,
and but we came back and we won some games
and and one of you know, we got the plate.
Uh and we we did it with a good number
of points to spare. But now it starts over, doesn't it.
Now I'm playing Uh yeah, Melbourne victory away and uh
then were playing at home week next weekend weekend after this,

(01:03:27):
uh and then if we succeed in that in that
then we're playing Then we're playing at home in the finals,
which is unbelievable. I'm gonna I'm gonna come down. I'm
coming down to the game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Is this I mean, this is not your first rodeo,
as you say in America. Is how much of this
is a model in setting up a business or a
sports team or a competition, how much of it's a model.
How much of it's a.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
Well, it's it's it's art in terms of hiring the
right really taking the time to hire the right people
on the business side and the football side. So and
that's what I sort I really really spent my time
doing interviewing, talking to people, making sure we were going
to be a team of character. And you start with
the with the executives. If they're if they are, if

(01:04:14):
they have there's strong characters, then they're going to create
a situation where they create character around them. So in
that part of it, it's a it's an art. But
in terms of a model, you know that I did
it with the Golden Knights, and I did exactly that.
We became a team of character, and we became a
desirable place for people to play and they want to

(01:04:36):
play here. Uh And then we uh uh at AFC Bournemouth.
We went in there and we made a number of
different changes that they weren't obvious on the surface, but
we knew what was going to happen as we made
these changes and it's worked out there. And we used
the same strategy in in Auckland with if with with

(01:05:00):
Black Knights. So I'd say it's a combination of art in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
A model where do you draw the line as the
boss or the owner and once you hire the talent,
you want what's your line in what you say, do
involve yourself in or not.

Speaker 7 (01:05:20):
On the business side, I'm really pretty stand office as
long as things are going well. I'm really kind of
macro in my approach once we have the people hired.
On the sports side, I'm very involved. I reviewed with
Terry and Steve all the players we're bringing in, why

(01:05:41):
we're bringing them in, what kind of support we had
in various positions. And I do the same thing at Bournemouth.
You know, we're constantly engaged and looking at looking at
players and figuring out our transfer window and who our
targets are. And when I was over there in April
for about ten days or so, I spent most of

(01:06:01):
my time with the with our president football and our
and our technical director and some of our scouts and
our recruiting people, really looking through all the players we
were interested in because we know it born with we're
going to lose some players because we've had a pretty
good year and there are some targets that people are
going to come for. And unfortunately in Premier League, if

(01:06:26):
you're a smaller club, you just accept the fact that
you're going to lose some players to bigger clubs, but
you've got to be able to restock. And then in Auckland,
what we've tried to do is really have to be
the best place to play football. And we're lucky because
we've got a We're in a terrific city. We don't
have a there's competition in down in Wellington, but other

(01:06:49):
than that, you don't have two teams in the city,
or our two teams in Sydney, two teams in Melbourne,
another team just outside of town. So we don't have
that competition from from a like level professional sports team.
And I thought we did a really good job in
terms of reaching out to the community and making sure

(01:07:10):
that we talked to all the local football clubs that
we we showed them how we were going to help
them in terms of training and academy development. So I
felt like we used our Vegas model and I transported
it to Auckland and it's working.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
That's great.

Speaker 7 (01:07:30):
I'm proud. I'm proud of I'm really proud of what
we've done.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Yeah, Bill, Bill, just hold on. I got to take
a break and I'll come back with more of this
in just a couple of months. Bill Foley is with
us out of Vegas, owner of the Oakland C fourteen
past day.

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Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Talks a seventeen past night, Bill Foley's guest owner of
course of the OAKLANDFC, and we're talking about the hockey
as well. Bill, I read some the other day, you
want to get into NBA. If that's true. In buying
in as opposed to a startup, what do you look for?

Speaker 7 (01:08:11):
Yeah, so this is if the NBA were to come
to Vegas, it's probably going to be an expansion franchise,
So it will be it will be a startup. I'm
not really interested in being a minority owner of a
team that's not based in Las Vegas because I want
to be close to where my base is. I don't

(01:08:31):
want to feel obliglary to have to fly to Xyz
City to watch games. So we are we're very interested
in the NBA coming to Las Vegas. We haven't made
any formal approaches to the NBA. We know that they're
interested in Las Vegas and they're interested in other cities,
and so we're here and we're The NBA knows who

(01:08:56):
we are, and they know that there is a group
that's being together to be interested in a franchise, and
then we'll be competing with other people in terms of
whether we get the franchise or not. We do have
the advantage of being part owners of T Mobile Arena
and our partners with MGM and AEG and sho'st Entertainment Group.

(01:09:16):
They're great partners, and we would try and get a
larger ownership position in T Mobile and then really improve
the arena. It would be probably spend three hundred to
three hundred and fifty million dollars upgrading the arena to
make it a world class best arena, best arena in America.

(01:09:38):
So that's but we haven't made any formal approaches and
we don't like to talk too much about the leagues.
Don't like people speculating and so on. So we're just
being we're being quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
But I want to get to one business question if
I can. But before that, I got to know, if
let's assume you win Auckland f C win, they win
the lot opening season, fantastic, how do you maintain that
level of success.

Speaker 7 (01:10:06):
We'll maintain it. I'm one hundred percent confident most of
our players are going to be repeat, They're going to
come back. We have we have targets in mind in
terms of other in terms of other players from other
leagues that might come in and take the place of
some of our some of our marquee players or some
of our BESA players. But this will be This will

(01:10:27):
be a winning franchise for for as long as I'm around,
we will. You know, my job is is putting the
team on the field and giving the giving the players
the resources to win. And uh, and we'll win. We
I can't say I can't. I don't want to say

(01:10:47):
that we're going to even win this league because if
you think back when we are national our inaugural season
with the Vegas Golden Knights, we went all the way
to the Stanley Cup Finals. In fact, we won the
first game and then proceeded to lose the next four
four games of Washington Capitals. So I remember that and
I'm cognizant of that as we move into this playoff

(01:11:09):
scenario and then if we are fortunate enough to get
by the Semis and then in the finals. So we're
not our people are taking nothing for granted.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
I can guarantee it fantastic, lovely to catch up with you,
good luck this weekend, the ensuing weekends, and we'll get
you back on again and talk some more sports sometime.
Bill Foley, who is the owner of Auckland FC, as
you heard the Vegas Golden Knights, Bournemouth and England. He's
got a couple of other operations around the world and
sport as well as hospitality of course and wine in
this country. A twenty one the.

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what a legend of a man. Amazing, could listen to
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will very likable bloke. While we're on sport. We got

(01:13:16):
some information and this is my ongoing theme of how
much money there is in global sport at the moment.
The Dallas Mavericks, if you look at their jersey or
single that they have on their breast or just on
their side of their heart, left hand side, the word chime.
Now Chime is a financial operator that's about to IPO.
They paid over the last three years thirty three million.

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It's just the word chime. It's not the major sponsor.
It's nothing but just the word chime. And they paid
thirty three million dollars to have that on the single
it over a three year period. So that's how much
support there is money there is an American sport. And
then I read this morning the other weird thing that's
going on YouTube. See I told you the other day
about the gaming, right, So the American football Soccer League

(01:13:59):
is going to stream some games on game consolets for
the first time. YouTube an ounce Ober what night that
the week one Friday game in the NFL is the
Kansas City Chiefs and Los Angeles Chargers. They're going to
run for free. No NFL game has ever been streamed
on YouTube for free and its entirety before, so this
is September five. It's the game played in Sir Parlo,

(01:14:21):
which is another one of their expansionary markets. So by
the time you pay for all your streaming services, then
you can find you get the opening game for nothing,
and then you've got to buy several streaming services depending
on who's bought the games and where they are and
what team you follow. The world is becoming increasingly complex
and muddled in simply following a passion of yours by

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a sports team. Now, Immigration the big debate in the
UK rodnext, the only.

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Couple quick things in the mop up of the elections
we've been following, or two of them anyway. Australia guy
called Dreyfuss or Dreyfuss was dropped unceremoniously. He was the
former Attorney General. And it goes back to what we
were talking with Steve about the other day. That's left
right faction within the Labor Party and they do these
weird deals whereby they go, well, we did well, so

(01:15:18):
we need X number of places in the cabinet. Anyway,
Mark Dreyfuss was dropped, much to his chagrin, so much
so that they're now expecting him potentially to quit because
he's packed a mass of sad. He's got a seat
in southeast Melbourne, so they're already potentially if it doesn't
go well, facing the by election. Meantime, in Canada, mister
Kearney has gone and presented the world his cabinets, which

(01:15:40):
includes twenty eight ministers and ten secretaries of state. So
just think about that. That's thirty eight forget the secretaries
of state, twenty eight ministers. We've got twenty eight ministers,
we got five million people. Have a look at Canada,
see how many people they've got, and so it just
shows how overstaffed we are. There's a new foreign Minister
to handle US Canadian relationships. Here's where it's going to

(01:16:00):
go wrong? Twenty four new faces in the cabinet twenty
four So you've only got thirty eight of the thirty eight.
Twenty four are new, thirteen have never even been an
MP before? What could possibly go wrong? Twenty two to nine.

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Speaker 20 (01:16:25):
All right, can we go Rod, morning mate, Good morning
to you make.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
How's key you going on this immigration thing? I asked
you the other day about the rest home workers and
all that sort of thing, and I fully understand that
you're an island nation like us, but you've got to
shed load of people coming. And is he going to
win this? Can he win this? Where are wet?

Speaker 20 (01:16:41):
It's an odd one to be honest. What is saying
resonates with the vast majority of the British public, but
no one trust didn't to do anything about it, you know?
So that's that the second thing is in us in
that phrase we are an island of strangers. It seemed
to me to be. He has denied it, of course,

(01:17:04):
but he would that. It's a deliberate echo of Enoch
Powell's nineteen sixty eighth speech where he warned about people
feeling like strangers in their own country. That's a direct comparison.
So it is utterly channeling Enoch Powell and that has
enraged the left, probably enraged members of his cabinet and

(01:17:27):
certainly you know, enraged his activist base and also the
Liberal Democrats in the Greens, because you're not allowed to
say anything about Ennock Power unless it is an evil racist.
So whilst what Zakia said undoubtedly at courts, with most
people's understanding of what it's like to be in this country,

(01:17:47):
you know, it may be have been a maladroit thing
to have done politically. Just to give you a bit
of context on this, the lost just that I can
find in Britain who mentioned Enoch Powell in a commendaries

(01:18:11):
commending way was a Chapel Nigel hastellone who was the
prospective MP for the Tories for a Birmingham constituency in
two thousand and nine, and he said that some of
his constituents thought that Enoch Power was right. He didn't
say that enough Power was right. He said some of

(01:18:32):
his constituents thought enough Power's right. He was sacked within
the day. Wow, So that's the difference. You know that
was a tory.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Do you delineate still on an ongoing and regular basis
between the types of immigration, In other words, the people
you want in the country to do something helpful versus
the people who arrive on a boat, or does it
all just get muddied up. These are people from a
foreign country and we don't like them.

Speaker 20 (01:18:53):
It is a complex situation. To give you just one
of the figs for context, when in Our Power made
his statement in nineteen sixty eight, there were a few
tens of thousands of immigrants in this country, less than
one percent. It's now eighteen percent and sixty million. So

(01:19:16):
you know that's the difference, and that the truth is
the thing that nobody really talks about terribly much is
an awful one of that immigration has come from the
Indian subcontinent and particularly Pakistan and Bangladesh, and so we've
imported into the country people who don't necessarily get on
with our culture, don't necessarily agree with us about stuff,

(01:19:37):
and in some cases actually wishes to blow us up.
So that's that's the hard end of the immigration debate.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
So how do we so who's winning politically? Because everyone
wants to solve the problem from reform across form.

Speaker 20 (01:19:56):
It's the only party that will benefit from this. Well,
the Greens and lib Dems may benefit by default by
the fact that some of the being tent sold labor.
Voters in the South will sing, that's a terribly awful
thing to say. I'm voting Green, Lib Dem but no
reform have this. It's why Sir Piir Stema said it.
You know, it was to try and shoot reforms Fox.

(01:20:19):
But reforms Fox is way ahead of the pack up uprate.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Well does that mean so the Libor party got the
power of government so they can allegedly solve the problem
reform on the subject. Does that leave the Tory squeezed?

Speaker 20 (01:20:32):
Yeah, the tourist concretely squeezed. And you say that labor
has a company, it does, indeed, and they have announced
a few things that they're going to do, but it
doesn't even scrape the surface of the of the extra
numbers who are coming in. So so people will look
at that and say, but okay, it's no longer nine

(01:20:52):
hundred thousand a year, It's only seven hundred and fifty
thousand a year. You know, this isn't what we voted for.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Correct I noticed, interestingly enough, there's a couple I don't
know the names. One of them, I do Circo, but
Clear Springs and MEAs these are people who are making
money over from asylum seekers and the precious and I
mean the business of hosting asylum seekers and hotels is
a multi multi, multi million dollar business, isn't.

Speaker 20 (01:21:19):
It look a massive, massive business? And there have been
protests outside hotels in this country and the hotel organizations
which are making enormous amounts of money out of it.
Because of course, the government doesn't bring up and say
can we get a cheap room for Tomorry on trip Advisor.
It's just books at the highest possible price because that's
the way the civil service works, and it costs more

(01:21:41):
and more and more. The labor has vowed to cut
it back. I can't see anyway that it's doing that
at the moment. You know, great if he does, but
let's wait and see.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Okay, Mat well go well, have a good week in
and we'll see on Tuesday, Rod little out of brook.
And just that reference to the hotels, if you don't
what I'm talking about, all these hotels, it's very like
COVID in many respects, I suppose, But they've tried to
clamp down now and you must pay back any profits
of more than five percent. There's a report that came
out last week the three companies the aforementioned made combined

(01:22:14):
profits of three hundred days sillits, but seven hundred ish
million dollars just by hosting asylums. Because meantime, north of
the border in Scotland, their assisted dying billers passed its
early days. There's more to go, it'll need to clear
a couple more phases, but seventy votes to fifty six
in favor. Very emotional debate, aren't they always third proposed

(01:22:36):
assisted dying law to be voted at Holyrood since twenty ten.
Two previous ones never even got past stage one, so
this is I suppose for that camp hopeful they did
something similar in England and Wales that passed their stage
one in Westminster back in November. So the debate's alive
and that part of the world. Eight forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
The like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard
By News talks at be most Unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I was reading the Sidney Morning Herald yesterday, as I
do most days. Are Australia's most read newspaper and I
saw the headline, No, I don't want emails from the
world's most boring airport. Thanks, I thought, oh, it's interesting.
It's under their travel section. I wonder what the world's
most boring airport is. Opening words of the article from

(01:23:24):
Ben Groundwater, the travel writer, Auckland Airport so awesome. Auckland
Airport would like to know if it can spend or
send me some updates on its latest developments. Auckland Airport
would I like to be kept up to date on
all its exciting news? Why No, Auckland Airport, I would

(01:23:45):
not writees Ben, I could not give the smallest stuff
about your new duty free offering, or your discounts on parking,
or whatever it is you consider exciting news. Now I
read a bit of grip Ben Groundwater. I don't know
him from a bar of site, but he's a travel
writer and he does a lot of traveling, does a
lot of reports on traveling. So he had been to
a few airports, and what a most unfortunate set of

(01:24:06):
circumstances that we apparently have the most boring airport in
the entire world. What we also have in this world
is some of the slowest driving. And now this will
not be used to you because if you're a driver,
you will know full well that this country is crippled
in terms of speed. There's a global study from Money
Supermarket average driving speeds around the world. They analyze long

(01:24:27):
distance and urban driving speeds of one hundred and forty
different countries. The average long distance actually I won't tell
you US yet. North America first, and second when I
say North America, the US and Canada. Their average driving
speed in the US is one hundred and nine point
five kilometers. Now Canada it's one hundred and seven oman

(01:24:49):
one hundred and four. So you think desert, open spaces, smooth,
wide roads, quality roads, etc. Croatia one o two. France,
Now this did surprise me. If you've ever driven around
the chau Soon Lesse one oh one, so you've obviously
got a bit of speed out in the countryside. Germany,
which you would think would be fast because the auto barns,
mind you, they limit the auto barns these days. Average

(01:25:11):
speed on the auto barns is one fifty. But the
average speed in Germany is ninety three. Actually it's ninety
three point nine. It's called it ninety four. Australia comparative
country surely ninety seven point five. So I'm with that information,
you'd be looking at what would you guess us given
And I've just told you no, we're not going to
be similar obbois Leader of the States, but we'd be
similar to Australia made whatever up front at ninety seven. Well,

(01:25:31):
would you believe we are one hundredth and first in
the world out of the aforementioned one hundred and forty countries.
The average speed in this country is sixty two kilometers
an hour, And you wonder why we're not going anywhere?
Nine away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
The mic Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover, the Lla
News togs Head be.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Mike, I've just been to Heathrow Auckland Airport Superior. I
don't know what bit of Heathrow you were in. You're
clearly lost, but Heathrow's world class? Is it to the
Queen Elizabeth? I think two's Terminal two is Queen Elizabeth.
That's world class, the one you arrive on, and all
the flights out of New Zealand you arrive in, whether
you're flying Singapore or Emirates or whatever, that's a world class.
That's a superior, that's a new facility. You can get

(01:26:10):
through Heathrow in if you walk fast, if you take
walking time in because there is a tremendous amount of
walking to be done. But if you take walking time
into account plus all the security, I reckon you can
get through in about thirteen minutes. Been to Lax, Mike,
no I have. I would say Lax is better than
Auckland as well.

Speaker 12 (01:26:29):
Where do you reckon? We come in terms of walking
speed in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Walking to very slow, very very slow is the quick question.
I walk on the walk walk elators. So if you
go to a place like Heathrow and those walkallators go
for literally ever, I walk on those two walk even faster.
But I do worry as I overtake the other people.
They think this is why this moves, This is so

(01:26:53):
we don't have to walk, which I disagree with.

Speaker 12 (01:26:55):
That's a common misconception, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Couldn't agree more? I feel like doing the next bit
of the program now five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
On Now I've been reading this listen bad news.

Speaker 18 (01:27:12):
I'm afraid from Diddley squat. It's this this relentless drought.
It means we're so busy moving animals mostly that we
don't have the time to do all the planned press
and pr activity to mark the launch of season four
on May twenty third.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
I think, and that's annoying, is that I'm not sure
he's not coming, is what he's saying. He was coming here,
and he was coming into this studio and he was
going to sit with me for ages because I wasn't
going to let him out because I got a lot
of questions, and he was going to do it this
Monday week, wasn't it. He was going to be this
Monday week. So he is not now coming. So I'm
disappointed in that when he sees the heat wave there

(01:27:57):
has been, it has been dry, there's no question about it.
Very dry March in that particular part of the world,
it's twenty three degrees at six o'clock, so you can
they're virtually melting. They don't know what to do anyway.
There's a betting company called bet Ideas who are currently
running a book in that part of the world about
top Gear returning in twenty twenty six next year. Clarkson
is the best odds to be the host of that

(01:28:19):
returning show. So that's a weird one. And on that note,
I did weighe and that is an appropriate word. Weighed
my way through the Flintoff documentary, which is on Disney
or Apple, I can never remember. It's really it's a
thing about Flintoff, who he was, where he came from,
his prowess and cricket, the highs, the lows, the drinking,

(01:28:42):
all of that. The accident is it's really his first
time back in the world visually physically. He's impaired, I
don't think badly given what he'd gone through and what
he went through medically speaking is amazing and he's still
going through through it. So that parts I found really

(01:29:02):
interesting and how we sort of go through and out
the other side. They talk to some reasonably well known
people who are his mates. They talked to his family obviously,
they talk to his doctors. So it's stuff you've never seen,
never heard, So there's real value in that. But you've
got to like cricket, and you've got to like flint
Off as a cricketer as opposed to Flintoff as a

(01:29:23):
television presenter.

Speaker 12 (01:29:24):
But it's probably it's on Disney by the way. It's
on Disney, which you can access via Apple if you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Want, which you can do via the net. Back tomorrow,
Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
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