Full Show Podcast: 15 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. The
Mic Hosking Breakfast with our Veda, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way,
news togs welcome today.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Jobless numbers are up? Is the economy actually coming light
with the job numbers? Just the last cab off the
rank Small airlines seem to have found a gap in
regional New Zealand. The PM on foreign investment into your
and fast track backtracks will bust. And if one reporter
whose life's been turned upside down of course by the
success of Drive to Survive, he's with us after eight
Catherine Field and France and Rodd does the mighty UK

(00:32):
for us. Pasky, Welcome to Tuesday seven past six. Now
we'll get to the main part of the TV one
pole shortly, but by way of a teaser they let
the world have a couple of pre bullet and numbers,
and sadly in those numbers is everything that's wrong with polling?
Can I say before I forget that we should be
grateful to TV and Z for still polling it all.
Polling is expensive and given the state of the TV
channel at the moment, the amount of money they're looking

(00:53):
to save the number of people they are about to
lay off. Not to mention the number of people they've
already laid off, might lead you to believe that polling
money might have been shelld especially outside election year. But
good on them for continuing to give us some sort
of insight or is it? Forty percent think we are
worse off than we were before election date? That alone,
we'll give you a headline, And as it turned out,

(01:13):
it did. But what does it actually mean? Twenty six
percent say it's no different, so Tban said, then added
those two numbers together to give us their headline. Two
thirds of us think things are no better than they were,
the inference being, of course, we elected the wrong people
to run the country. Thirty percent think things are better.
But how to read a poll? And what that pole
suggests are complex, if not completely pointless things. Because one,

(01:36):
I'm in the forty percent the group that think things
are worse? Why because they are post the election, We've
had the unveiling of the disaster the previous government left
us economically, the fiscal cliffs, as the new government called them,
economic bombs. They are real, they've been revealed. Therefore, we
are indisputably worse off. It's a statement of economic fact.

(01:57):
It's not a reflection on this government. It's a reflection
on the line government. But Poles don't do that level
of nuance. But I'm also in the thirty percent who
think things are better off. Why because you can see
the green shoots, you can see the cash right cuts,
you can see the stimulation of the housing market. You
can see the bottom or the end of the slump
or possibly the end of the recessions. Therefore there is light,
Therefore there is hope. Therefore I am in the thirty percent.

(02:20):
So forty or thirty, which is it? And if it's both,
what's that tell us? Well? One, the key is often
in the question and the quality of it. And two
it's the reading and interpretation, which means three you take
it all with a grain of salt.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Bombs and drones continue to fly in the Middle East
for Israeli soldiers dead, sixty one others injured.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Like all events, we will study this event, but I
don't think there is a country that has a better
defense against drones than Israel. Still, we get surprised sometimes
and we're not perfect.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Those inside the hospitals are worried.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
As a human being and as a mother. It was
difficult for me to hear the news, like all the
people in Israel, even if I was not a mother.
It's difficult for us, especially for me because I have
children of military service age.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
And Gaza refugee camp has been burnt to nothing.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
My tent it's gone, winter is coming.

Speaker 6 (03:15):
What am I supposed to do?

Speaker 4 (03:16):
There's nothing left in there, no mattresses, no food, no blankets,
all our belongings.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
We have nothing to wear. I only have what I'm wearing.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Nowto tied developments in the arrist of Vim Miller, who
some thought yesterday might be a Trump assassin, he claims
he's a fan. He had a megat Mega T shirt,
had been personally invited to the rally, and Coachella did
have a few weapons in the Cowboy.

Speaker 7 (03:36):
The vehicle was unregistered and the license plate was one
that is homemade and indicative of a group of individuals
that claimed to be sovereign citizens.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well, doesn't making an assassin, does it? Trump himself, in
an interview, is expressing concern about civil un race.

Speaker 8 (03:55):
I don't think they're the problem in terms of election.
I think the bigger problem are the people from with
then we have some very bad people. We have some
sick people, radical left lunatics. It should be very easily
handled by if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary,
by the military.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
And then to Britain, where the beleagued PM is busy
spreaking his fiscal credentials to an investment Chinwag.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I'm determined to do everything in my power to galvanize group.

Speaker 9 (04:21):
Determined for this country to be the highest.

Speaker 10 (04:24):
Growing economy in the G seven. Finally, that is our
most important national mission.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Finally, from the brainch Trust file. Drug dealer in Portland,
he was stopped by the FEDS in a stolen car.
In the search they found some scales, some cash, a
loaded handgun and bag. On the outside of the bag
was writing saying definitely not a bag full of drugs.
Unfortunately it was a bag full of drugs, ten grams
of meth and Fenton also he guess where he is

(04:51):
right now, has used the world the moron's in ninety China.
Can I give you any good news? I'm not really sure. Actually,
the CPI rose zero point four for the U year
earlier from last month zero point six for a rise
in August. I don't know what that tells US Producer
Price Index. That's the worry. The PPI fell two point
eight percent year on year, versus a one point eight
percent decline in the previous month below and anticipated two

(05:14):
point five percent decline. So is the stimulus working long term?
Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
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Speaker 2 (05:27):
Democracy Watch. They've been voting over the week in Lithuania.
Looks like a change of governments. On the cards. The
Social Democrats who were in the opposition, seem to have won.
They've won the most votes. They're at twenty percent, so
they're trying to form a coalition as we speak. Homeland
Union who have been running the place, they had eighteen
percent of the botes. That came the second third, the
anti establishment Numanus Dawn at fifteen percent. So the sd

(05:48):
are talking about tackling rising inequality, hiking taxes on wealthy Lithuanians.
National security is a major issue, so some of that
moved to the right. We've been seeing in Europe, not
in Lithuania. Dem Past jare My Love hendre Keller, Good morning,
very good morning, Mike's have a look at the old
economy and we got retailed yesterday as well as the services.

Speaker 10 (06:11):
Yeah, so let's talk about the service to sector.

Speaker 9 (06:13):
Show it because it's a very big part of the
New Zealand economy. And we got our monthly barometer on
the health of that sector yesterday. Now, Mike, I think
yesterday morning you covered off the manufacturing sector than the
PMI the performance of services the Partner survey to that. Now,
we do know that the RBNS monitor, they pay attention
some attention to these high frequency indicators that they're important

(06:34):
and services, I said, big part of the economy. Now, Mike,
the number here you've been talking about this this morning,
the number here or the number we got yesterday, is
illustrative of a key theme, a key macroeconomic theme at
the moment. And this, I think from my little part
of the world is a key takeaway for.

Speaker 10 (06:49):
Listeners this morning.

Speaker 9 (06:50):
The here and now is very different from where perceptions
are as to where we will be. So recent business
confidence almost much improved, shot the lights out, but that's
not actual activity.

Speaker 10 (07:02):
It's not the here and now. If we look at
the here and.

Speaker 9 (07:04):
Now and the services index headline forty five point seven.

Speaker 10 (07:09):
It's the same as it was in August. It hasn't moved.

Speaker 9 (07:11):
It's still under fifty, which signifies contraction in the sector.
The long term average is fifty three point one, so
we're tracking well below that. We've now had seven consecutive
months of contraction for the PSI, which is not great,
but it's a heck of a lot better than the PMI,
the manufacturing one that you talked about, which has been
in contraction now for nineteen consecutive months. Now, look at

(07:33):
the sub indexes activity sales. It's creeping higher. It is
creeping high. It so at forty six point seven. Now
in June that measure was thirty nine and a half.
So look, it's just getting less bad, but it is.

Speaker 10 (07:45):
Moving in the right direction.

Speaker 11 (07:46):
Now.

Speaker 9 (07:47):
The international comparisons might we are an outlier here for
a start, we are a lot weaker, but it's also
unusual in that the services sector on this measure is
weaker than the manufacturing sector. That's not the case in
most other jury dictions. The service sector had held up better.
You put the two indexes together, you get think called
the Compson Index that gives.

Speaker 10 (08:06):
You a useful read on growth on GDP. That's at
forty six.

Speaker 9 (08:10):
It's suggesting that the Q three, the September quarter, will
deliver very subdued growth. It will be negative, so you
get another quarter of economic contraction. So I come back
to this macro theme like expectations, perceptions, hope is that
our economic fortunes improve, and they probably will, but the
heir and now hasn't really shifted yet. What this is

(08:31):
MI is it's very supportive of further OCR.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Moderation exactly, and that is reflected also, of course in
the retail spending.

Speaker 9 (08:38):
Yeah, so this is out of stats New Zealand. This
is for September retail spending card transactions. It also shows
that the here and now is tough and as I say,
often pick your adjective, because there's lost lots of oft
repeated ones around right now, subdued, weak, lackluster, anemic. If
you have a competition, actually see if we can get
some better ones, some more ones. Anyway, total transactions did

(09:00):
eke out a zero point three percent game month a month,
but retail transactions flat for the month. And so if
you look at the where they were versus a year ago,
the circa about four percent lower and that's nominal, that's
not real, that's not adjusted for inflation, that's not on
a per capita basis.

Speaker 10 (09:16):
Both of those will make the numbers worse.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
So we're not.

Speaker 9 (09:19):
Really seeing any material boost from things like the tax
cuts at the moment. Fuel spending that's lower, notable weakness,
and durable goods spending. You look at the let's look
at actually some real numbers. Quarterly spending retail industries decreased
one hundred and thirty five million dollars, and then core
retail industries ninety one million dollars. And if I look

(09:42):
at those carely numbers, hospitality stands out as pretty weak
and it continues to underline the tough conditions in that sector.

Speaker 10 (09:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
What are the numbers?

Speaker 10 (09:51):
Well, actually, the numbers look pretty good.

Speaker 9 (09:53):
The Dow Jones is up one hundred and eighty nine points.
It's zero point four four percent forty three fifty two.
The S and P five hundred is up three percent
five eight five nine, and the Nasdaq is up zero
point eight to five percent eighteen thousand, four hundred ninety eight.

Speaker 10 (10:08):
In the US starting off the week in fine fettle.

Speaker 9 (10:12):
The fortzy one hundred, it's it was up overnight about
half a percent eight two nine two. The nick was
up point five seven percent three nine six o five
Shanghai Composite.

Speaker 10 (10:21):
We had some more.

Speaker 9 (10:22):
Announcements around the stimulus over the weekend. Still not really
getting the specific numbers we want.

Speaker 10 (10:28):
But anyway, the market.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Six percent of GDP.

Speaker 10 (10:31):
So it's massive, over a trillion dollars.

Speaker 9 (10:35):
Yeah, it's massive, but there's there's no specifics around it, Mike,
So it's sort of that we're going to do this,
we're going to do that, but the people want to
see the actual specifics. Anyway, their market was up two
percent yesterday. The a SX two hundred up about half
a percent eight two five two yesterday. In Sex fifty,
we did not join that party of going up. We
were down point six percent, down seventy nine points twelve,

(10:56):
seven hundred and sixty six. The Kiwi dollar has just
come off of against the US points six and zero
eighty eight.

Speaker 10 (11:02):
Against the Aussie.

Speaker 9 (11:03):
We're flirting with this ninety cent level.

Speaker 10 (11:05):
We don't go below that very often.

Speaker 9 (11:07):
Point nine oh five to four at the moment against
the euero, point five to five to eighty four, point
four sixty sixty four against the pound, one New Zealand
dollars by ninety one point.

Speaker 10 (11:16):
Twenty seven Japanese.

Speaker 9 (11:17):
Yet on the wholesale markets, Gold still holding up there
two thousand, six hundred and forty eight dollars and Brent
Cruit also sort of kind of toppy seventy seven dollars
and fifty four cents.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right, might go, well, we'll see you tomorrow, Andrew kellaher
jmowealth dot co dot m ZSK being prepared to open
your premiums for your insurance if you were with Tower
and see a mass fall in the cost that they're
charging you or not. Nearly double their full year underlying
profit I note with a great deal ofventrist bottom line
net profit was expected to be about seventy four million
for the year ending September. The underlying net profit eighty

(11:49):
three earlier guidance of forty five had a stable years.
So things are looking good. Reinsurance isn't what it was,
blah blah blah. Will we see a reduction in what
we're paying? Two guesses No and No. Six twenty one
News Talk said, but.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
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Speaker 2 (12:13):
It be fascinating things to me or my eye about
the Russian invasion of Ukraine is all the sanctions that
Europe particularly put on them, and not lest of which
was the movement of oil, which has proven to be
completely and utterly pointless, because we get this morning from
Lloyd's List clear View Energy Partners data that shows that, indeed,
record volumes of Russian oil has been carried in September

(12:36):
by what they call the dark fleet. The dark fleet
are you know, old junkers basically that don't have an insurance.
But no one seems to care about any of that anyway,
So they're selling this oil at discounted rates to various
parts around the world. India is the most outspoken purchaser.
They go, it's cheap, why wouldn't we? Others not so
verbosen their language, But nevertheless, in February of last year,

(12:57):
the Russians were selling it at a discount of about
thirty percent. They're trying to generate a market, say by
it from US. It's thirty percent discount as of this
year is sixteenth so increasingly they're getting better and better money.
The cap, the G seven price cap has been absolutely
pointless sixty nine percent of all Crude shipped in September
was carried by Dark Fleets. Unbelievable, a six twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
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Did that disappoint you?

Speaker 6 (13:28):
I'll let you down.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
James Blunt marking the twentieth anniversary can you believe it?
Of Back to Bedlam? It is the eighteenth best selling
album in UK history, biggest selling debut album by a
British artist ever. So he's re releasing it with some
new tracks. But we have a catch, he said. If
the album goes back to number one, he will legally
change his name to whatever the internet wants. So a

(13:52):
few options.

Speaker 12 (13:53):
Hey thereon hermus great, what's the name James Blunt?

Speaker 13 (13:57):
I haven't got that name down.

Speaker 14 (13:58):
Could it be under something else?

Speaker 13 (14:01):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Jimmy Scleff, No blames Junt, No dig James cucking Funds. No,
it's a bit tenue and you pops off offward.

Speaker 14 (14:10):
Soul machine here yeah, oh no, blunt s blood face
go straight through third floor.

Speaker 10 (14:17):
People have no imagination.

Speaker 14 (14:20):
The people who spoke.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Very clever videos put a time. He's done a couple
of videos in fact, and he's very good in front
of a camera. Anyway, He's put a time limit on
all of this. It must be number one by the
end of this week for the name change to be official.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's time.

Speaker 10 (14:35):
We had him on the program and we were talking.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
About as pub. He'd bought a pub. But I don't
think he's making any money because he's reading something from
Jeremy clarkson the other day who was claiming he's losing
ten pound per hunter on his pub. And he took
advice from Vinnie Jones. He's got a pub, said don't
buy a pub. Took some advice from James Blunt who
said don't buy a pub. So then he went into
bought a pub. So there's there's no telling some people's
there use for you in a couple of moments. Then

(14:58):
we've got to look into this in a Tamariki situation,
the way they fund their services. This has been a
political storm, if you like, for the last couple of months.
But more detail for you shortly.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
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Speaker 5 (15:19):
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Speaker 2 (15:20):
The final of the Nobels Economics this morning. Darren Smoglu,
Simon Johnson James Robinson for Economics Wealth Inequality between nations.
In fact, smog Glue and Robinson wrote a book called
Why Nations Fail The Origins of Power, prosperity and Poverty.
Helped show wire societies were poor rule of law and
institutions that exploit the population do not generate growth or

(15:41):
change for the better, demonstrating the importance of societal institutions
for a country's prosperity. Smoglu and Johnson are at MIT
Robinson as the director at the University of Chicago's Person
Institute for the Studying Resolution of Global Conflicts, where they
specialism and the economics of Sub Saharan Africa and Latin America.
So they know their dollars and cents and they are winners.
Twenty three to seven budgets. First budget. Barnier's budget in

(16:07):
France the other day seems to have gone down as
you would expect the jurymandate government's budget to go down.
In u A Captain Field on that to be shortly
meantime back here, the orders to General is having a
look into the way that Oranger Tamariki is doing its job.
Services they funded been cut or scale back, as I'm
sure you're well aware, as a result of the government
review and their budgets and services. This has upset a
lot of people in the sector. Of course, social service providers.

(16:28):
CEO Blinda Hemiower is with us.

Speaker 10 (16:31):
Very good morning, Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Have we got a couple of things here. One the
cutbacks and funding and value for the money argument versus
the way they handle it. They're two separate issues. Is
that fair or not?

Speaker 6 (16:42):
The interconnected. I think the reason that the Office of
the Orders General has decided to look into this and
then interact concerns which were quite serious, there is both
of those issues. So the record rate of removal of services,
the lack of transparency, the lack of clear process about
why decisions were being made. In many cases there were

(17:03):
children and families receiving services that we're being removed or reduced,
and I think all of this just shows quite a
damaging picture for those out there in communities and the
sector is just very distressed. They can see these services
are still needed.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yes, indeed, but that's a government decision. Though the Government
of the day rightly or wrongly says we don't want
to do it this way. That's their right, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (17:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
I mean there's a very good conversation to be had
about what is needed in these communities, and part of
that is our sector. We are a government funded, not
for profit sector. We work alongside government every day to
help them implement their strategy. So the idea that government
can't change its mind is just, frankly, not how we operate.
It's the very resilient sector. I think the reason that

(17:46):
we are just so concerned is the rapid nature of
these decisions. There seems to be no plan that we've
seen in communities. Children are being left without the services
that they need, and these are really vital services for
sometimes very young children and honorable family.

Speaker 16 (18:00):
See.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I followed this very closely because I'm interested. I can't.
We had some people there's a lot of emotion in
the sector, and I understand it to a degree, but
there was some woman and Nelson the other day who
go who went children are going to die? And I went, right, no,
they're not. I mean, come on, And so current saw,
on the other hand, is in Parliament almost on a
weekly basis these days, saying things like there's money in

(18:24):
bank accounts that was never used, so we don't want
to do it that way anymore. And you think, well,
fair enough.

Speaker 6 (18:29):
Yeah, I think the common issue we've got a lot
of common ground with governments. I think the most important
thing for us to is constructively work through these issues
without undue emotion on any size, because I think the
focus here has to be about giving New Zealand as
children and families the services that they deserve. I think
that when you remove supports, training, access to services, you

(18:52):
delay with ferrals, all of these paint a dangerous picture
for those needing chronic services and communities and it's important
conversation to have about how unimpacted children are who need
the services that may no longer be provided. I also
think that Minister's come in with a vision. It was
voted for by New Zealand, but part of it and

(19:13):
this is why the Office of the Autogenal, which is
an independent organization, independent body of Parliament, the reason it
is looking is that things don't look right with what's
been happening with un.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
That's partlind I still can't get to the bottom of
is the ag looking at this to go look at
the end of the day, they shouldn't have given you
three days notice that that wasn't professional. It's not what
we would have liked. We would have liked a couple
of months. But at the end of the day, they
can do what they want. I mean that in essence
is what they're likely to come up with, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
Well.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
I think one of the reasons that the LAG has
chosen this situation, in this set of circumstances to look at,
and you'll see this if you look at the terms
of reference or the information on the website, is because
the nature of the services means the impact of that
funding is very distressing and not okay. So when you've

(20:03):
got a child apparent, someone who may have experienced sem
violent sexual violence, child who's been in an abusive home,
when they are receiving services or when they need to
be placed in care, when they do not have access
to those services, there can be an impact on their
safety and well being. And this is why we should
be looking very closely at this matter.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Blinda, you have a good day, Please to appreciate it
very much. Belinda Heimiona, who is with the Social Services
Providers eighteen away from seven task queaking of issues the
absolute shambles Mike toy is made of Wellington is a
great example. I don't think we blame Tori. I mean
we blame Tory because she's the top of the totem pole,
but we blame the entire council. It's tower on the
two point a bunch of dysfunctional idiots. Anyway, the shambles

(20:46):
that toy is made of Wellington is a great example
of how dire it would have been had Labor Mari
Green coalition become the government last year. If that had happened,
I think the net migration figures would have blown out,
blown out. They've already blown out, haven't you seen the
numbers that came out last week? They've blown out then
blown out again. We are setting record after record after
record of young New Zealanders who are bailing on this

(21:08):
country because of things like Wellington. And I note with
interest that Nikola Willis, who's increasingly frustrated at the exercise,
is looking at It's not her decision, obviously, but the
government to looking at the possibility of a little bit
of intervention. So we'll talk to Prime Minister Chris Luxon
about that in an hour's time. Seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
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Speaker 2 (21:29):
Mike Wellington's the san Fran of New Zealand. Mike she said,
services they deserve, No, it's services they need. I deserve
a Ferrari for all the charity work I do, but
I need a four. That's quite well put. Mike Golris
has popped a head up again. I'll come back to
that because I wondered how long it would take people
to exercise themselves about that.

Speaker 17 (21:46):
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Speaker 2 (21:54):
Very good morning to you, good and running mate. Paris
Motor Show. I always follow the Paris Motor Show with
a great deal of interest. Is it for doing this
year with a lot of byds and Chinese half price evs?

Speaker 12 (22:04):
It is a very tense Paris Motor Show this year,
of course Europe's biggest motor show. The reason that it
really is tense is because you've got those two signs
coming together.

Speaker 13 (22:14):
Mine.

Speaker 12 (22:14):
You've got the Chinese who are to get more of
their vehicles on sale in Europe if they've got something
like five Chinese brands out there at the Paris Motor Show,
just showing off what they've got. On the other side,
you've got the Europeans, the French, the Germans. Their industry
is absolutely struggling, and of course the EU has just
come up with a forty five percent tariff on Chinese

(22:38):
electric cars. So Chinese aren't happy about this. Not to
not to put it too mildly, these tariffs, you know,
they say. The Europeans are saying, look, you know, we
just have to compete. The Chinese are subsidizing their industry.
We're not, so we're going to put a tariff on
that covers that amount of money that the Chinese government
is putting in, so as we can compete, you're on

(23:00):
an even basis. Well, what they're saying now is that
what will happen is these tarrafs will lead Chinese companies
to come and set up their plants in Europe, add
to the over capacity, and local manufacturers could also be
forced out out of business completely. So there's also comes Mike,
don't forget just the time when the Chinese have retaliated,
They've put that new tariff on imports of cognac into China.

(23:25):
So it's a time when everyone's kind of jostling around.
It's not making for a pleasant motor show. And there's
more to come, Mike here, because cars aren't selling well
in Europe at the moment, new car sales still well
below that pre COVID level. And as well, you know,
they're looking at China because China has been flooding the
market here with solar panels, heat pumps, wooden turbines, and

(23:47):
essentially the consumers having a bit of a hard time
and thinking that the government really should have been setting
up its own sort of solar panel factories and heat
pump factories and not leaving it to get to the
stage it's at now.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Alsoly say how many Chinese evs would I see on
any given day?

Speaker 12 (24:04):
You know, you'd start to see quite a bit. They've
got you, I don't know what it is. It's between
five and ten percent of the market. So you essentially
see Tesla some Chinese cars around. What you will see
a lot of, Mike though, are hybrids, you petrol battery hybrids,
and they're you know, but the French just came to

(24:24):
that way too late. They've got Toyota making cars here
but this is so new and they came to the
party way too late.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
But when you talk about hybrids, are you talking about
plug and hybrids? And I want to bore people with
the technology, but I mean, if you're talking about plug
and hybrids, does France have an electric charging infrastructure that
you would be confident of finding a part to plug
your Caaren while you go shopping?

Speaker 12 (24:44):
Yeah you do, now you do notice it, but not
a lot of people. It's still got the range. Let's
not forget France is a big country. It is huge,
so if you want to plug in your car, you
really want to get more than sort of two hundred
klometers range before you plug into and service station, which
there are on the motorways, and they do have fast charging,
but it's really not the sort of driving touring that

(25:08):
the French history is getting in the car, driving a
long distance and being at the beach or the mountains
or whatever. And of course you're getting these bigger cars
that you need a lot of juice in them, and
then you don't go very far.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
No exactly. Now, the report I read last week when
the budget came out was the beleagued government one would
you describe your government as beleagued and too. How did
the budget go down?

Speaker 12 (25:32):
It is very beleagued. Really, this budget has come at
a bad time for this new Prime Minister Vagnier. Yeah,
it's all bad news, Mike.

Speaker 13 (25:41):
There is.

Speaker 12 (25:42):
The deficit is around six percent of GDP. That the
President had promised it would be four point four percent
this year. You know, it really isn't That isn't good.
They need to get it down to about three percent
to go in with the EU. So they've come up
with this with this budget. I mean, the sums are
just astounding.

Speaker 13 (26:01):
They need to.

Speaker 12 (26:02):
Make about seventy three billion New Zealand dollars in spending cuts,
and they need to bring in about sixty billion new
Zealand dollars in new taxes, which they say they'll get
from large companies and wealthy homeowners. They're knocking about seven
billion New Zealand dollars off the healthcare budget. They're delaying

(26:24):
infleation adaptation for pensions for a year and he's got
to get that through parliament. It's now in the Finance Committee.
It's only been there for a few days. Yes, it
is bad. France shouldn't have the stat but it hasn't
balanced its budget Mike for about fifty years. They like
all other countries. The headwinds that it's got are really bad.

(26:48):
You've got troubling international situation, you don't know how the
market's going to react, You've got widening deficits, and you've
got what later this month's Moodies is going to give
it credit rating on France and next month s and
P so borrowing could get even more expensive for the
French treasury.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Sounds a fun time. Good to catch up, katherineppreciate it
very much. Catherine Field out of France this morning. Just quickly,
Tusk and Poland announced over the weekend temporarily suspending the
right to asylum as part of a new migration strategy
to compact what he calls irregular migration, so that despite
the end of some of that particular problem continues in Europe.
Night Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
On My Costal Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Talk ZV.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Just the people of Wellington sick of it. Three Wellington
business associations have got together over this mess of the
Golden Mile. She was on. Tory was on the radio
locally in zb yesterday talking about the list of non negotiables.
One of the non negotiables, and this is how democracy
works in the Tory world, we have non negotiables. Heaven forbid,
the people would have an opinion anyway. One of the

(27:51):
non negotiables is the Golden Mile so Retail New Zealand,
Hospitality in New Zealand, and the Bust and Coach Association.
Not natural bedfellows wouldn't have thought, especially in view of
the disastrous impacts the Thorndon Key project as having on
local businesses. They universally cried out to the council. We
expect more businesses will face closure or need to move

(28:14):
out of the area. My question really simply just how
many businesses need to go under before some idiot on
the council finally wakes up and realizes that maybe, just
maybe what they're doing isn't wanted, isn't needed, and isn't
going to work. And are they going to realize that
before Nicola and Christopher from down the road come in

(28:37):
and go, you guys are out, and we'll get some
professionals and four away from seven.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
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Speaker 2 (28:48):
Now the European as we were with Catherine a moment ago,
the European Central Bank ECB is back most likely for
another crack at their cash rape this week. Inflation currently
a one point eight percent under the two percent target,
of course, or inflation that takes out your energy, your food,
you boost in your tobacco. That's two point seven. The
current prediction for the ECB is another twenty five basis
point cut this week. That'll be followed they think, by

(29:11):
a fourth straight in December. So the central banks around
the world are on a bit of a roll at
the moment. That'll put the central Bank's key rate at
three percent by the end of the year. Now, the
forecast for growth they've worked down a little Bit's gone
down to zero point eight for the year, slightly down
from the zero point nine they thought that at the beginning.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Of the year.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
But zero point nine, zero point eight. But they say
next year, they say, hey, guess what, next year, inflation
is not going to be a major issue at all.
And so the entrails of this whole bizarre experiment by
central banks all over the world as to who handled
it better and who didn't. My money at the moment,
we've yet to see Australia finish up because they haven't
even cut yet. And they haven't cut because they've still

(29:50):
got some buoyancy in the economy. And the great debate
is going on between the central Bank and the government
as to whether that buoyancy is too much government spending
because it's a labor government. But my bet at the
moment is the Central Bank of a Marria has done
it the best they've They've engineered pretty much a soft landing.
No one universally has lost their job. There's certainly been
no recession, so I think they at this point anyway
get the gold medal for that exercise.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
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Speaker 2 (30:24):
Morning seven minutes past seven. So do the job market
and the new numbers out indicate if there are green
shoots to be seen in this economy of ours. The
last cab off the rank's going to be the job market.
Jobs seeking numbers are up twelve percent since this time
last year. That's an extra twelve thousand people for were wins.
Boss Christine ranking with us on this Christine Morning to you.

Speaker 18 (30:41):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Do you subscribe to the broad theory that it is
jobs the last to be seen to coming right, so
everything comes right by the jobs.

Speaker 18 (30:49):
Yes, absolutely, And this was expected and predicted by economists
and we haven't reached the peak yet, so it's obvious
that it's going to get worse before it gets pretty.
You can't turn a mess of an economy around like
this in a year, there's no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
No, you can't. The sticky bit for the government was
they tightened the rules around the unemployment at a time
when jobs were actually disappearing, which made it difficult.

Speaker 10 (31:12):
Didn't it.

Speaker 18 (31:13):
No, I don't believe that does make it difficult. What
it does is ensure that job seekers do not rock
on that benefit, and that's what happened with the last regime.
This is actually a gift that they've got that in
place now because nobody's going to be stuck on that benefit. Look,
we are losing, we have got people on benefit, more
people on benefit, But there are a lot of jobs

(31:34):
out there, and it's about the motivation and the confidence
to get them back into work different.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Work and does the department actually do that? I mean,
what's the role of the department And where's the line
between I've lost my job so it's up to me
to find another job versus some government Wonkho's going to go, well,
what you should be doing? This, this, this and this.

Speaker 18 (31:54):
Look, you're absolutely right. There are a lot of people
who won't go near any government department unless they need
support of that benefit. And then they get into the
system and have to have that government wonk as you
call them, to help facilitate it. A lot of people
will find their own jobs, but if they don't, yes
that this minister is absolutely determined about what this government

(32:17):
department is going to do. I don't think it's done
it for a long time, but I'm sure it's very
excited to be doing it again.

Speaker 16 (32:24):
It's real work.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
What do you do with a bloke who was at
a mill in the middle of the North Island, small town,
New Zealand, whose mill got closed and he's now looking
at Australia. Do you say bye bye and all the best?
What do you do with them?

Speaker 18 (32:37):
Well, unless there really is an alternative there, you can
absolutely understand why he's going to Australia. This isn't going
to happen to him again over there, and the conditions
are going to be much better. If I was running
wealthare now, I'd be telling my people if there weren't
jobs there, do everything you can to support them to go.

Speaker 15 (32:53):
They have a right to that.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Life, right, Christine, appreciate your expertise as almost Christine Rank
and form a Wind's boss Wethers name in it's Past
seven Past Game, johb Sir Brian Roach has named as
our next public service Commission. Of the public service, of course,
has been hammered as the new government tries to rebalance
the economy. So what sort of task does he have?
Sir Brian's, Well, this is a very good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (33:12):
Good morning mine.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I looked at you CV this morning. You've done a
lot of public work. Do you love public life? In
terms of the public service, I don't.

Speaker 15 (33:19):
Like public life, but I do like serving in public There.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Is it an effective means of your time, expertise and skills,
do you think?

Speaker 15 (33:30):
I absolutely believe so. I mean, that's just taken a
big decision to change the directory of my life. But
I believe that I have a contribution to make and
I'm privileged to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
It's not a bad point because you're going for a
shortened term. Your shortened term because you've got bigger fish
to fry in other things to do, or you think
you're extremely effective and we'll be able to get five
years worth of work done in two years eight months.

Speaker 15 (33:54):
I think I'm an effect that I'm not a super man.
It's more just the reflection of an aging process. A
time to be honest.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Does it depend on the government of the day how
the public service works?

Speaker 13 (34:07):
I do.

Speaker 15 (34:08):
I do because the government sets the tone and this
government has been very clear that they're looking to raise
the performance of the public sector. I think the public
sector itself would like to raise its performance and that's
part of the task ahead.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
How do you do that.

Speaker 15 (34:24):
You do that ultimately through getting good quality people who
believe in what they're doing. I think the public service
in New Zealand are very good, but like every other business, frustracting.
There is no business that can't perform better, and you
know all businesses are under pressure in New Zealand. The
public sector is no difference.

Speaker 11 (34:43):
I have to.

Speaker 15 (34:43):
Bring some stabilization and re orientation to that and I
feel I can do that.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I'm seeing as an observer some pushback from the public
service at the moment, especially around, for example, race relating issues.
So the new governor to the day says, we're not
having race related issues. We don't base judgment on race anymore.
But I'm seeing pushback in the public service. Do you
see that as an issue? And if you do, what
do you do about that?

Speaker 15 (35:08):
Look, I haven't taken up the child yet. It will
be an issue, and that's an issue I'm just going
to have to face. But it's one that I'm really
confident about. You know, the quality of the leadership and
the public sector is there. Ultimately the public sector that
is there to serve the government of the day, and
they have to do that without fear or favor.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
See that's what That's why I raise the question, because
that's the theory on the piece of paper that they're
there to serve the government of the day. When you
see pushback, they're not serving the government of the day.
They're serving themselves, aren't they.

Speaker 15 (35:37):
Yeah, And that's an issue that they have to deal with. Ultimately,
if you can't serve the government, then you have to
make decision around where your career is going. But ultimately,
good people will make this work. And I'm confident we've
got good people.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Good stuff. Good luck with the jobs. Brian Right, who's
the new Public Service Commissioner? Twelve minutes past seven past
games we once worked for the public doesn't any more goals.
Garriman was in care or yesterday appealing. This surprised me.
She pleaded guilty, so it's unusual. I think I'm right
in saying this. It's unusual to plead guilty to something
and then come back for an appeal. So they declined

(36:12):
initially a request for a discharge without conviction that was
back at the original trial. And we also have confusion
around the so called job at the ICC, the International
Criminal Court. If they've been convicted of serious criminal offending,
you can't work at the ICC. But we don't know
whether Garriman's offending was serious enough to trigger that. We
also don't know this from the Crown Solicitor, any impact

(36:34):
of Garriman's future employment of mental health, whether they were
consequences of the offending and themselves not the convictions and
their lawyer, her lawyer didn't turn up with any indicating
information as to whether she'd actually applied for a job
at the ICC, whether there was a job to be
applied for at the ICC, or whether she was just
appealing for the sake of appealing. She did not hold
a current practicing certificate, far less an application for a job. Anyway,

(36:57):
Justice Venning, who's overseeing this, has reserved their decisions, so
it'll be interesting to see where this goes. Thirteen past the.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
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Speaker 2 (37:11):
Very good point on the text, Mic, isn't the impact
on future work part of the deterrent? I'm sure they're
taking all of that into consideration. Mike WHN Do you
have Will buckson on the show?

Speaker 5 (37:19):
After right?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Sixteen minutes past seven? Are good news in our aviation sector? Well,
I think it's good. New smaller planes seem to be
picking up increasing business. Barrier Air, for example, started an
Auckland to kerry Kerey route back in August. Seats continue
to sell out, which is good. So are we seeing
a sort of a reshaping of the regional landscape? Barrier
Air Boss Grant bacons with us Grant, morning to.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
You, Good morning, Mike, how much.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I'm very well indeed, thank you. How many seats do
you offer Auckland to Kerry Carey and are they all
in general taken up?

Speaker 16 (37:46):
So we currently have twenty sectors per week and that
equates to a round about fifteen hundred seats per month
available and currently we're getting a load fact of around
seventy percent.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
That good.

Speaker 16 (38:03):
Yeah, that's good. Yep, no, that's that's certainly paying its way.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
So when we see in New Zealand in the news
last week they're cutting down services between christ Church, Queenstown,
Duneed and Wellington, christ Church, New Plymouth, blenha and Wellington,
do you go hello there's an opportunity or not.

Speaker 16 (38:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, there's a fair amount of I guess robustness
we need to see with Kerry Kerry in terms of
making sure that the model does work. But as the
days and months go on, we're seeing that a complementary
service in line with the National carrier is actually proving
to be great for consumers and has a viable business

(38:42):
case as well.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Is there a big difference between say, Auckland Kerry Carey's
drivable Dunedin, Wellington, christ Church, New Plymouth isn't does that
make a material difference to a company like yours.

Speaker 16 (38:53):
Yeah, it does. So we've got quite a good reputation
in the North New Zealand. We've built the business since
twenty fifteen. What we see as an issue in terms
of those longer routes is the fact that actually at
the moment, the regional aviation space is in poor shape.

(39:13):
And that is not only relevant to New Zealand. It's
also moving into other countries as well where they're having issues.
And that primarily comes down to the fact that there's
actually not a lot of aircraft being manufactured right now
that is capable of doing those longer routes. So that
is an issue.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
So that's an issue even for a company like us,
because I'm looking at Etty Guard the other day. They're
re refurbishing all their fleets. I mean, this is a big,
major international player. They cannot get planes for lavend or money.
Boeing's on strike at the moment, Airbus deliveries are down,
so even at your small plane level, it's an issue.

Speaker 16 (39:47):
Yeah, most definitely. So not only can you not find aeroplanes,
you can't get parts for them, and that's a major
contributor to where the fair prices had to go over
to last eighteen months in terms of what a consumer pays.
And then the technology. A lot of legacy aircraft manufacturers

(40:10):
of a smaller nature have stopped producing or they're moving
their attention else where. So it is an issue to
fulfiller into island route of a slightly longer haul.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Interesting insight, Grant, glad it's going well for you though,
Grant Bacon Barrier air CEO with us this morning. I
introduced a little bit of it yesterday or did I
I can't remember. Anyway, I think we've stumbled upon what
you could pretty reasonably and I'll raise it with the
Prime Minister as well, pretty reasonably call a scam more
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Bosking seven twenty three from our You wonder why we
are where we are? File note from the Solicitor General
to the Police Prosecution Service about the new system they
will have in place as of the start next year.
Now we have the SG starts updated the prosecution guidelines.
The goals remain to ensure you are I'm quoting him here.
New Zealand continues to benefit from prosecution processes which are

(42:05):
underscored by the core values of transparency, equality and fair
application of the law to all participants, and reflect the
legitimate public interest in prosecuting criminal offending. Well, so far,
so good, right, But then but then they get to
this bit. The guidelines ask prosecutors to quote unquote think
carefully about particular decisions were a person as Maori or

(42:27):
a member of any other group disproportionately impact by the
criminal justice system. This does not promote different treatment based
on ethnicity or membership of a particular group. It instead
alerts prosecutors to situations and factors that may deliver inequitable
outcomes for some people in those groups. Quick question, what

(42:47):
do you reckon that means? And does it mean what
you think it means? Without the meaning being so explicit
you go, what the hell I thought we were getting
rid of all of this nonsense? And all this nonsense
is the problem the government has with race based ideology.
They say a lot of one thing, but are facing
a tremendous amount of pushback on it, as the university's
collapse in global rankings as published last week at least

(43:08):
surely in part because of their obsession with race. We
now find the justice system instructed to quote think carefully
what is this disproportion they speak of. Well, obviously, when
it comes to race, Mari are overrepresented in crime. Ask
a simple question why and the answer surely is because
sadly they commit too much of it. Another simple question

(43:29):
is by thinking carefully as instructed by the Solicitor General,
perhaps going to lead to I don't know, lesser charges,
whether in severity or numbers, And therefore the disproportion has
balanced out a bit. No reduction in crime, just the consequences.
And a final simple question. If the government says we
should not be having policy based on race, how do
they explain this asking? And there is more, as I

(43:52):
have discovered from the Solicitor General I quote them again.
The project team worked with a diverse range of views
and experiences in developing the new guidelines. We conducted the
review with Enaia Tonu Nai marii thought leaders. They played
a pivotal role as advocates for consideration of Maori experiences. Now,
who are this Enaya Tonu Nai Well, they've been around

(44:16):
for a long time since twenty eighteen, in fact, so
the full six years. They were born out of Maori
resistance to the lack of Mari voice at the Crown's
Criminal Justice Summit. You remember that one, that was the
one with the flash catering with Andrew Little, that was
one of his first forays into the wonderful world of justice.
So they asked for a national Mari Hui to take
place at the summit, and the Justice Minister of the time,

(44:38):
the fabulous Andrew Little, he said, no, no worries at all.
So they had their meeting of over two hundred mari
with extensive criminal justice experience, including those with lived experiences,
and their mission as a result of these meetings, these
get togethers, so they could go on to advise the
Solicitor General to and I quote here, to recognize the

(44:59):
justice this system as settler colonial and to begin decolonizing
the in brackets in justice system. So that's their guiding light,
that's their us on debt, and that's the advice they're
giving the Solicitor General, who is in turn giving the
police prosecutors the said advice. In a system that is

(45:20):
not supposed to be based in any way, shape or
form on race, How do we explain that and who
do we ask about this? I know, how about the
Prime Minister? Fortunately he's next.

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with Leeam Lawson on board. So he's with us after
right meantime being a Tuesday to having still with us
Chrystal Lux and good.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
Morning, Good morning, Mike Lena Lawson will be great.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
He will be good and I hope he does very well.
Now listen, gum boot Friday, Is this a stitchung?

Speaker 5 (46:11):
No, No, this is about us making sure that we
get some good work done and we put more power
to it. And that's why we've been proud to support them,
because it's about Kiyi's dealing with the young young key
is dealing with their mental health. We're going to have
an extra fifteen thousand counseling session for those young Kiwi's,
which who desperately needed at a pretty desperate time. So look,
it's a great organization. I'm proud that we're supporting them.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Why did the Order to General say what the Order
to general said, oh.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Look, I mean they're an independent role. They're entitled to
their views. But look, we campaigned on this. We then
said we said what we did, we're going to do.
We did it, and I'm proud that we have. So
you know, it's good that they look at the process
and they can raise their raise their advice on it.
But the BOTO liners, we're doing it. We're backing a
Gunbat Friday. They do great work and fifteen thousand young

(46:55):
chemis get counseling.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
So you're arguing, basically, we're the government, will do what
we want, bug of the process, and he can write
all the reports he wants. You're not paying attention to
this particular case.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
But I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that, you know,
Gunboat Friday we talked about in the campaign as being
a great example of a community organization doing good work
that could be scaled more and unique work actually, and
I spoke to a number of young people, you know,
and we put the money into that organization. It was
also something that you tell the first wanted to do
both both parties, and I'm pleased that we are because

(47:26):
I'm getting access to count way.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I defend your right to do it because you're the government.
But Matt Doucy did he throws officials under the bus
when he said, and I quote. Throughout the process, the
Minister has sought and received assurances from officials that the
implementation option chosen by the Ministry of Health is compliant
with government procedural rules. That simply isn't true.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
Oh well, look, I think you know it was unusual
in the sense of we had campaigned on it. We
believe it's a great organization. We think it's a good
investment in young people, and you know, the new Order
to General can can write their report and can say
there's some things that they think we could do better,
but the bottom line is a good organization. We're backing up.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
What are the odds of you stepping into Wellington Council.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Well, we're pretty concerned about it. If I'm honest, it
doesn't look great. Their long term plan looks at risk.
It's something we're monitoring really closely. I know some of
and Brown in particular is all over it, and we'll
continue to monitor it and if we have to make
an intervention, we will.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
What would have to happen for you to move.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Well, I think we want to understand you know. Yeah,
I know he'll be looking very closely at the long
term plan, which is at risk under the failure to
be able to sell the airport. She is willing to
the airport, and he'll want a pathway and to make
sure that they're doing everything they can to be financially
responsible to keep rates as low as possible.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Can I quote you the Solicitor General in their advice
to the Prosecution service at the police the guidelines asked
prosecutors to think carefully about particular decisions. We're a person,
whether the victim or a defendant is Maori. What does
that mean?

Speaker 5 (49:00):
Well, I mean what I'd say is that prosecution decisions
should be color blind. But also the prosecution guidelines are
independently issued by this Solicited General. They are someone you know,
and I really can't get You should ask her a
But I mean, I can't really get into it because
I've got to respect the other elements of our democracy,
the judiciary, and I've got to focus on what I

(49:20):
can control, and what we are controlling is restoring law
and order.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I thought you controlled whether we had race based policy
in this country.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
Well, we made a decision very clear. What we have
controlled as tough new gang laws. We've limited, you know,
sentencing discounts. We've actually stopped the cottage industry around the
preparation of Section twenty seven cultural reports, and we've got.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
A very race prostitution decision should be with race that's
more justice is the Solicitor General thumbing her knows that.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
You well again, I mean it's an independent role. I
encourage you to ask those questions to her. I really
got to can't get into it because I've got to
respect the.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
But here's my problem. I'm listening to you as a
government who I thought was running the country with a
series of fairly clear objectives around race, and you say
one thing and another thing is done, and I don't
understand that.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
Well, again, what I can do is we can focus
on what we can control, which is the executive.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Saying, by the way, what we would like to do
in this country is have non race based policies. But
I'm not sure we'll be able to because I'm expecting
pushback from the public service or independent bodies.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Well, I think we've had good support from much of
the public service. I appreciate not everyone's on board. Of
what we're trying to do. But the reality is the
vast majority have and they've been actually supporting us getting
our gender out the door. I think when you look
at those new ganglas, that's going to help us cut
down on violent crime. When you look at the stop
in the section twenty seven College reports, with Harry Tam
and Coe preparing them, we've stopped that we're putting limits

(50:47):
on judges and seniencing discounts. You still always be a
need for people to consider their individual cases and make
the case to judges, but you know, we would expect
that you know that these guidelines actually are designed to
make sure there's good outcomes for people irrespect of their
and frankly, prosecution shouldn't be as I said color line.
So do you know that's important?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Do you know who Anaya Tanu Nai is?

Speaker 5 (51:07):
No idea.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
These were a group of people that were consulted by
the Solicitor General. They arrived in twenty eighteen as a
result of Andrew Little's Justice Summit and they had a
meeting and they want to recognize the justice system as
settler colonial and to begin decolonizing the bracket's in justice system.
Those are the people who are advising the Solicitor General

(51:29):
before she writes to the Police Prosecution Service. Does that
worry you?

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Well, I mean that's just not a view that I
would hold. I mean, I think we've got a justice
system that it needs to make sure that it prosecutes
people in a color bline way and actually make you
don't whe actually get well, well, we need to. I
mean that's yeah, but we don't of it. Well, I'm
not sure I agree with that. I appreciate that there's
prosecution guidelines independently prepared by an independence listed General and

(51:54):
a branch of democracy that I have to respect and
I can't get into per se. But what I can
do is make sure that because you know, they want
to make sure prosecutioncitions are free from political influence.

Speaker 10 (52:05):
I get that.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
You know that's part of our democracy.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Well you want to how is it you're so keen
to adhere to the political but not to the race.
So you don't want to get you some self in
trouble for political but you don't mind getting yourself in
trouble for race. Well, I mean you can't avoid these instructions.
I mean they're explicit to recognize the justice system is
settler colonial and to begin decolonizing the injustice and completely.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
I don't don't agree that that is a reflection of
what our justice.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
But that's in the letter is received by the Prosecution
Service of this country.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
And that's lists of General's an independent position and a
part of our democracy that I have to respect. And
so the question is what I can control is actually
making sure that we pass as a parliament as executive
laws that make it really clear, getting ready section twenty
seven reports in that cottage industry is important. Making sure
judges can put you know, we put limits on their
sentence and discounts is important. Making sure we get tough

(52:56):
new gang laws as great to get down on violent crime,
serious and offenders, on retail crime. Those are the things
that I can control, and I think by a larger
justices and will deliver well.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Okay, fast Track trans Tasman Resources, who are one of
the people on the short list, claimed they can earn
a billion dollars a year. I'm assuming and making the
claim of a billion dollars a year. When the committee
looked at the fast Track they went, jeez, that looks good.
I'll put them on the list. Once they got on
the list, they've said that doesn't count anymore. Are you
in trouble with this?

Speaker 5 (53:25):
No, no, not at all. I mean, we've got to
grow this country, and we know we've got to get
things done, and we've got to be open to economic growth,
and so our expert panels will go through the process
making sure that they are. And you know that they're
considering a whole bunch of things, of the economic impacts,
the environmental impacts, but importantly we are prioritizing development and growth.
You know, we want to have a high growth country.

(53:46):
And for that you've got to say yes to stuff.
And when you do, you say stuff from there who
clearly made it up. Well, I'm not sure that that
would be the case if I.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Claim I'm making a billion dollars and then two days
after I'm on the shortlist, I claim I'm not going
to make a billion dollars. Did I make it up?
Or did I make just a bit of a whoopsie?
But oh well, never mind, I'm on the shortlist.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
Well, well, Mike, I'm not going to go into the
individual cases that are in those fast tracks, but what
I can tell you is, you know, the job of
expert panel, Yeah, that is the job of the expert panel. No, no,
I'm not saying I don't think they have. I mean
they will make their assessment as to.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Whether that's well, what do they make the national knowledge
or something that was made up.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Betweening on whether they have a project of regional or
national significance as you know, under the fast tracked laws
and what I make no apology for that. I appreciate
there'll be controversial product project projects in there, and that's
not a bad thing because I'm interested in actually getting
things moving and things growing. We want to have higher
value growth here in New Zealand. You know, you look
at other places that are growing quicker. They got rapidly

(54:48):
rising wages relative to our performances. We've got to get
things unlocked and agreement all.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
All of that's good stuff. But in usurping, as your
critics will tell you, some of the laws are indeed
not changing the law so you you can fast track.
So the scrutiny isn't there One of the first companies
involved in the short list has been found wanting This
opens you up to criticism, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Well, again, that's a decision for the expert panel to
make about their assessment.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Of that each end of the expert panel aren't that
expert after all, and they keep making mistakes like this,
and you've got to defeend them on programs like this,
and you'll be putting down the phone in a minute
and going bloody.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Hell, no, Mike, I never do that. I never do that.
Plug on the phone and go bloody. I'll have to
talk to you. But no, Look, I mean, look, the
reality is that there will be controversial projects. There'll be
a lot of people who won't like a bunch of
projects on that list, but we're going to do them
because actually, I think the feedback's been pretty good. People
understand that we've got to get things done. When you
think about fifty five thousand houses getting built, when you

(55:44):
think about thirty percent more growth and electricity generation of
our current capacity, that's good. When you think aout one
hundred and eighty k's of new roads coming down, that's great.
So look, there'll be controversy on a number of projects.
You know, we've got an expert panel, we go through
the individual cases, case by case, and then we need
to get going.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Appreciate your time, Christopher Luxe said it. Brian Minutster thirteen
away from eight.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
The Mike Asking Breakfast, a full show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks a't be.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Mike Luxon just confirmed my suspicion, Gutlass wonder. I think
it's probably a bit hard a window addressing the racial
issues so many New Zealand is concerned about, too scared
to do what he was elected to do. I ask
you the question, and and he's technically right. I mean,
you've got independent bodies and you can't go against the judiciary.
I understand that technically he is right. But surely in
making the promises he did in the policies he campaigned on,

(56:37):
he knew that. And therefore if he knew that, he
might have put a rider in place. And I didn't
get around to the other business credibility issues. And I
suppose this goes to some way, shape or form into
the polling. Last night, the numbers around the books that
were opened late last week, and they're getting more money in.
Nikola Willis called it sobering or not particularly good or
whatever the phrase he used was. But they are getting

(57:00):
more money in, but they're spending more money. So they're
spending more money is on them. So for a government
that was going to be frugal, and Damian Grant wrote
a very good piece and stuff over the weekend, ending
with the words, perhaps even a new captain if the
current one isn't willing to make the hard course what
he's suggesting, And he went through a whole lot of
numbers in the economy going basically, they're spending more money
than they're bringing and they know they're doing it. They

(57:22):
said they wouldn't and so you're starting to get some
credibility issues bubble to the surface. But more in a
moment nine to eight.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
The costing breakfast with a Veta retirement, Communities news talks
that'd be.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
He had a lot of reaction. So we find out
the solicitor general is running the place. My vote's just evaporated.
That's part of the problem. You've got to explain these things.
So it's not I mean, obviously a politician knows this,
but at the end of the day, how many voters
knew that making a promise to, you know, derace the
race based system, you were going to run into the
sort of problems they're running into, and you've got technically
an out. Anyway, back to the fast trak business, here's

(57:55):
my concern. I'm all for fast track, and he's one
hundred percent right when he sends things like we got
to get this country moving, we've got to get things going,
we've got to get people doing things, we've got to
get money into the country. I agree with all of
that one hundred percent. But TTR, which is transitasmin Resources,
they want to extract fifty million tons of seabed every
year for thirty years. And there's a debate within that

(58:15):
with environmentalists and wind farming and all that sort of
stuff as well. But ttr's owner, a company called Minuca Resources.
In an announcement to the Australian share market back on
the seventh of October, about a week ago, it is
of national significance. We have identified a world class vanadium
rich iron sand's resource that has the ability to contribute
one billion dollars annually to exporting It's fantastic, brilliant, wahoo,

(58:36):
let's get that in front of the expert panel. Two
days after that, they're backtracked. They said that's we're not
saying that anymore.

Speaker 7 (58:43):
So.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
How many of these people, and this has been the
criticism for the government in fast tracking. On one hand,
most of us I suspect are on board to the
extent that we do need to get things going, But
at what expense? How many conflicts of interest that's been
a story in an of itself, and how many of
these so called shortlisted companies may or may not end

(59:06):
up delivering what they said they would do. And does
this go to some degree back to the Provincial Growth
Fund of a previous government in a different time, but
an interestingly the same party with the same man called
Shane Jones, who had three billion dollars wandering up and
down the country making grandiose promises and new name me
half a dozen things that have turned the economy around

(59:26):
in this country. Out of that three billion dollars, how
many Mariah got painted versus genuine projects that were undertaken
and have transformed the New Zealand economy. And what they
don't want reputationally speaking is the same problem that the
last government had a lot of big announcements, a lot
of money thrown all over the place, a lot of
big promises and not many of them actually come to pass.

(59:49):
That goes to credibility. As my point, Will Buxton drive
to survive after the news which is next the reviews,
talk Zbig.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Big News, bold opinions, the mic Hosking, Breakfast with the
range Rover, the la designed to intrigue and use togs.

Speaker 15 (01:00:09):
He'd be reluctantly crouched at the starting line, engines pumping
and thumping in time the green light flashes, the flags
go up, churning and burning.

Speaker 18 (01:00:19):
They yearn for the cup.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Seven past eight if one is back this weekend in
Austin taking on a new meaning for us, of course,
with the arrival of Liam Lawson in a full time
seat for Bacob will Buxton as part of the F
one circuit. Of course, you will have seen him on
Drive to Survive. He's got a new book out called
Grand Prix in Illustrated History of Formula One, which has
no shortage of MW zealand content. Of course, Will Buxton
will us morning.

Speaker 13 (01:00:39):
Thank good morning to you too now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Having watched you. First of all, I don't want to
obsess about Liam Lawson, but obviously from this particular side
of the world we are at the moment. What's yours
as an international? What's your impression? What's the Paddix impression
of Liam and his possibilities?

Speaker 13 (01:00:56):
I love him, I really love him.

Speaker 14 (01:00:58):
I have been such a fan of for such a
long time, all the way through junior Formula DTM, what
he did when he made those couple of races in
Formula one last season. He has impressed me in everything
He's ever driven, everything I've ever seen of him. I
thought it was absolutely criminal he was left on the
sidelines this year. I just couldn't imagine a twenty twenty
four Formula One season without him in it.

Speaker 13 (01:01:20):
And yet we more.

Speaker 14 (01:01:21):
Importantly, he has been forced to endure that. But I'm
so glad for him and for us as fans of
the sport that we get to see him in these
final six races because I truly think he's and I'm
not just saying this because I'm broadcasting with you guys
in New Zealand. I truly think he's an exceptional talent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Good because the pressure's on him to so he's got
the six races plus the three sprints of course, so
the pressure is on him for next year. When you
look at what's happened this season so far, with people
like color Pinto into nearly next year, all of those
we seem to be into a there's a whole new
generation coming phase.

Speaker 14 (01:01:54):
Yeah, I love that, and I love it when we
get those those moments, those movements of a generation nor shift.
I mean, you see what the likes of I mean,
we have it already with Max Verstappen and past three
and that younger generation like Charles and Carlos, but this
is like another new generation entirely, and even younger breed,
you know, five, six, seven years younger than than those guys.

(01:02:17):
It's it's always exciting to see the new guys coming through.
And I really hope that Liam can put his stamp
on these six races and assure himself a seat, maybe
not even just with with the car R B whatever
you want to call them, but you know that seat
was an audition for Daniel to find his way back
to the top team. So the fact that Liam is
replacing Daniel means that this isn't just an audition for

(01:02:39):
the Batam. This is an audition for the A team,
and I really hope he shines.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
What's your sense and we're in a guess work here already,
what's your sense of Pariz for the rest of the season.
Does he stay for the season, If he does he
stay beyond the season, and if he then leaves in
some way, shape or form, that's Liam's opportunity in the
big seat.

Speaker 14 (01:02:57):
I think a lot of this has to do with
how Liam performed. You know, if Liam performs admirably but
not exceptionally, but you know to a degree that makes
him think, hey, there's you know, there's something here, then
he'll probably get the VCARB seat for next year. If
he outdoes all expectations, then there's every chance they slide

(01:03:18):
him in at Red Bull next year and they promote
Isaac Hadgchaff from Formula two into that VCARB seat for
next year. So you know, this really is an audition
that could have tremendous ramifications, you know, not just for
his future.

Speaker 13 (01:03:30):
But for a number of seats in the paddock.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Let's talk about you for a moment. Well, most people
in this country will have seen you for the first
time in Drive to Survive. When Drive to Survive came along,
what hand on? How what did you think of it?
Did you think this is the program that is going
to transform Formula one.

Speaker 13 (01:03:48):
I had no idea what to expect.

Speaker 14 (01:03:49):
I don't think any of us did in that first season,
because nobody had ever done anything like that in Formula
one or attempted to do something so wide reaching, and
so we'll just just went along.

Speaker 13 (01:04:00):
I wasn't even expecting to be in it. I was
expecting to be the interviewer, not the interviewee.

Speaker 14 (01:04:06):
And so when they brought me in and started firing
questions at me, I really didn't know where it was
going to go. I didn't how much. I didn't know
how much of what I said was going to be used.
And it was only really when it hit the screens
for everybody that first season that I saw it and
I understood what it was and suddenly understood what it
could be. And I think brutally so did the teams,

(01:04:28):
because if you look back to that first season, Ferrari
and Mercedes wanted nothing to do with it, and having
seen that first season, they suddenly turned around and said, yes,
we will make our teams, and we will make our drivers,
we will make everybody open to you because they saw
what this could be and what it was going to do.
And what it's done is completely change the paradigm the
understanding that we have of what a sports documentary can be.

(01:04:49):
Because after that first season, people stopped saying, we need
to make a sports documentary the buzzword became.

Speaker 13 (01:04:54):
We need a drive to survive, and that's what it's been.

Speaker 14 (01:04:57):
Throughout sport ever since then.

Speaker 13 (01:04:59):
It's completely the game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
You signed to confidentiality as to what they're filming right
now that will turn up in February March of next year.

Speaker 13 (01:05:07):
You don't know how many of us in about it.
We were.

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
No.

Speaker 13 (01:05:12):
You know, we have it on our past that you
know we're there. We can be filmed by anybody, you know.

Speaker 14 (01:05:18):
But I will say that we have started looking to
the sky more when we talk to people about things
and secret things in the paddock, just to see if
there's a boom mic hanging.

Speaker 13 (01:05:27):
Over your head.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Fantastic this we also about you because I didn't know
about you. I watched you, but I didn't know about you,
and so I think he must come from racing, given
your passion and knowledge.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
But you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
You were correct me if I'm wrong, But you're you
were singing an a choir or studying architecture or law
or something like that. Next thing you know you're if one.

Speaker 14 (01:05:48):
Yeah, when I was very young, I was a chorister,
very young in Sweden, Angelic. I always wanted to be
a journalist, a Formula one journalist was all I wanted
to be. From from the age of thirteen, I knew
exactly what I wanted to do with my life. I
studied politics at university because back in those days, media
studies degrees weren't really seen as very serious. I'm looking
back twenty five thirty years ago, so in politics to

(01:06:11):
teach me to research, to form a cohesive argument, you.

Speaker 13 (01:06:15):
Know, really really sort of discover my voice.

Speaker 14 (01:06:18):
And I wrote my thesis on the politics of Formula one,
which I sent to the guys at F one magazine
and they liked it, and they said, you want a
week's work experience. I went and I never left until
the magazine closed down. And that was where I got
my break. That was where I got my start back
in two thousand and two. And I've done any number
of jobs in the sport to try and keep my
head above water, keep my foot in that door, and

(01:06:39):
luckily fell into television completely by mistake. And it's been
a wonderful twenty yeah, twenty nearly twenty five years in
Formula one.

Speaker 13 (01:06:46):
I've loved every second of it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Non surprise, Hey listen, hold on, we'll come back in
a moment. Will Buxton, the book has grown pretty more
in a moment thirteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Power
My News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Zippy Just Talk to Me sixteen passed eight. The book
has grown prix. Will Buxton is with us from Britain
on his way to Austin and Texas this weekend for
the If one now listen, Will it does remind us
of this book, I suppose for those who came to
Formula one, you know, lateish as a result of drive
to survive all the names in there, I mean, how
many drivers there have been, how many stories, how many phases,
how many eras.

Speaker 14 (01:07:18):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Historically speaking of fantastic story, isn't it it is?

Speaker 14 (01:07:22):
And it's you know, it's a seventy five year story.
It's seventy fifth anniversary of the beginning of the sport
next year, and you know, so many folks have come
to Formula one through drive that survived as a statistic
that the boss of Formula one sort of announced last
year through the research they've done, which is that one
in three viewers globally the Formula one have been watching
for less than five years. That's half a billion people

(01:07:44):
at one in three and so if you've been watching
for less than five years, you never saw Michael Schumacher
rips let alone the likes an Air and Center and
Alan Prost or even further back, your Jim Clark's or
your Jackie Stewarts or Fangia. And yet we refer to
these drivers all the time in order to give context

(01:08:04):
to what the greats of today are achieving and the
teams of today are achieving. And I wanted to open
it up and describe and explain the sport to new
fans in a way that wasn't too scary, because f
one can get like that, it can get very intense
and very detailed driven, and I wanted to just do
something that was quite a general introduction that said, look,
you might be a new fan, you might have only

(01:08:25):
been watching a couple of years, but I recognize that
we all have a first race, we all have a
day where we know nothing about the sport.

Speaker 13 (01:08:31):
So come with me.

Speaker 14 (01:08:32):
Let me take you on a journey back to the start,
and introduce you to these great teams, these great drivers,
everything that the sport has been and has gone through
to get to where we are today with this incredible
vibrant championship season that we're having.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
For the credibility of the book and being from New Zealand,
the first place and name I went to was, of
course Bruce McLaren.

Speaker 13 (01:08:56):
Yeah, I thought you would have gone for Denny.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Both both are in there. But but but, but you
cannot mention if One without those two names.

Speaker 14 (01:09:05):
No, you can't. And you know, I've tried to tell
the story of the sport through the world champions of
each decade and the great teams of each decade. But
I wanted to make space for drivers who weren't champions
that also had an impact on the sport. And Bruce,
of course you cannot. You cannot talk about the story
of the sport without talking about Bruce McLaren. The incredible

(01:09:29):
impact that he's had, that his team continues to have
in the sport. It is, it is something incredibly rare.
It is something I think really beautiful. And seeing what
McLaren are doing this year is his testament to him,
to his.

Speaker 13 (01:09:46):
His legacy.

Speaker 14 (01:09:46):
You know, everything that he that he that he represented
as he said, you know, success is not is not
gone out in years alone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Do you like if One as much as you always have?
And the reason I asked that if if I look
at Frank Williams and the Frank Williams era and those
guys who just sort of greased up in a shed
and put a car together and it crashed, it blew up,
versus what you deal with now, which is corporate, It's
a different world, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (01:10:16):
It is a different world. But the skill set, the dedication, the.

Speaker 14 (01:10:26):
Incredible respect that I have for the drivers in what
they do in this incredible thing that all of us
in our dreams which we could be able to do,
to dance with a car like that, to take it
to the absolute edge of indiesion and hold it there.
The great designers, the great mechanics, the great engineers. You know,

(01:10:48):
this is a sport that is filled with incredible minds
and incredibly talented people. That hasn't changed from nineteen fifty
three to twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. It's
the same mixture of man and machine and and everybody
pushing to the to the absolute limit.

Speaker 13 (01:11:03):
So yeah, you know, look, it's not it's.

Speaker 14 (01:11:05):
Not grease monkeys working in garages anymore, or putting the
cars together in a field.

Speaker 13 (01:11:10):
It is it's big bucks and it is a big.

Speaker 14 (01:11:13):
Industry, and and you know, some people might say that's
a bit a bit cold compared to how it was
in the old days, But those same skills make the
difference today just as they just as they always have,
and seeing a great driver at the limit that is
as true to day as it was back then.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Right, Oh, pressure time for you your call? Who wins
the constructors? Who wins the drivers?

Speaker 14 (01:11:36):
McLaren win the constructors, and at the current rate, I
think Ferrari might.

Speaker 13 (01:11:40):
Even finish second.

Speaker 14 (01:11:41):
And for the drivers, I think it's going to be
nip and tuck. I've been saying for a long time.
I think Lendo has the opportunity to take it. But
I honestly think McLaren woke up far too late and
later than most of their rivals to the fact that
they had the fastest car and the sport.

Speaker 13 (01:11:54):
The difficulty that they have.

Speaker 14 (01:11:55):
Is that Oscar Piastre is coming on very fast, and
in not wanting to that Oscar and his ascent to
the top, they may just have inadvertently gifted the crowd
back to Maxistaff and Islando loses by less than ten points,
as I think will be incredibly likely if he does
lose this championship, it could come down to single figures.

Speaker 13 (01:12:15):
McLaren will kick themselves. How much will.

Speaker 14 (01:12:17):
Lando pick McLaren if if that, if that comes to pass.
But I think we've got an amazing six races.

Speaker 13 (01:12:23):
Listen.

Speaker 14 (01:12:23):
Half of these six remaining races are sprint racist and
there's more points available in those rounds.

Speaker 13 (01:12:28):
It's doable.

Speaker 14 (01:12:29):
It's never been done before. But that's not to mean
it can't happen. And I am an eternal optimist that
we've got a championship fight. And if it goes down
to Abu Dab, I say, bring it on. It's going
to be great fun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
It's going to be fantastic. Well, congratulations on the book.
We wish you all the very bits with that, and
we'll get you on again soon before the end of
the season, hopefully so we can wax lyrical about Liam's success.

Speaker 14 (01:12:48):
I would love nothing more than to talk about Liam
Lawson's success.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
All right, we'll hold you that. Will Buxton. This morning,
eight twenty two, the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
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Speaker 10 (01:14:02):
The game.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
My husband Will Will's book for the birthday, absolutely loves it.
That's good, well done, Debby. I'm glad he's enjoying it.
I've got two polls for you. One gives you an insight.
One's a local poll, but it gives you a real
insight into why we need to be deeply suspicious of
all poles. And I'll come to that in a couple
of moments. Then we've got fresh polling out of real
clear politics this morning. The seven swing states Arizona, Georgia,
North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Michigan, and Wisconsin. One has got

(01:14:28):
one candidate has got one of the seven states in
terms of a lead. The other candidate has seven six
of the seven states. But it means nothing, and in
that is the fascination of this particular race, So cruntry
through the numbers. Then we'll go to the UK, where
Kia has been desperately trying out a night in front
of an investment conference to convince the wider world that

(01:14:50):
the upcoming budget is the answer to all problems and
that he's got the economy well and truly under control.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Rod is next, your trusted source, The News and fused
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Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Togs Head be right. So the real clear politics average.
This is the US race. Seven key states, Arizona, Georgia,
North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin. Harris is up in Wisconsin,
she has forty eight point three. Trump has forty eight. So,
in other words, it's so far within the margin of
era it counts for nothing. Either of them could be

(01:15:31):
winning or it could be a dead heat. Michigan. All
these following states, Trump's up, and Michigan he's up forty
eight point five to forty seven point six. Once again,
so within the margin of era. It's embarrassing. Nevada you
want close. Trump forty eight point two, Harris forty eight.
Pennsylvania you want even closer. Trump forty eight point two,

(01:15:54):
Harris forty eight point one. North Carolina forty eight points seven,
forty eight point two, Georgia forty eight point three, forty
seven point eight, Arizona forty eight point four to forty
seven point four. It's forty seven forty eight. It's within
a point. It's a tenth of a point. It's two
tenths of a point. Pick a winner, you can't. Twenty
two to.

Speaker 17 (01:16:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Britt We go roll this morning, Mane.

Speaker 11 (01:16:21):
How are you, good morning? How are you, mabe?

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
I'm very well. Indeed I'm reading a bit about the
British economy at the moment, and mortgage rates allegedly are
going to start to go up again. A lot of
people have paused hiring because they want some clarity around
the budget, how much weight tension and angst is around
the budget.

Speaker 11 (01:16:40):
An awful lot, largely over largely amongst the business community,
about for example, how much employers will be asked to
stump up in additional costs for National insurance. But also
a whole bunch of stuff which has gone before now,
which is, you know, restricting the way in which companies

(01:17:04):
can deal with people with the staff that they take on.
And this was the kind of focus of this international
Investment a forum which Kiers starmalaud today with all the verve,
the kind of a robot working on batteries which are

(01:17:26):
not the current level of batteries. I think the best way.
But uh, and so many of these companies. There are
two things he's offering. One one, along with David Lammy,
he is suggesting that we can start renegotiating a few
of those Brexit deals which were so difficult for overseas

(01:17:48):
investors to deal with, but which would if they were renegotiated,
cause an outrage in this country as being you know,
an application of what was a democratic vote. And the
second thing which you have to deal with was that
you are asking us to invest in your country when

(01:18:09):
you have just made it absolutely clear that you're going
to make more bureaucratic, more difficult the job of companies
to take on people. So that is a real problem.
He's going to kind of try to square that circle.
And whilst some of those ideas about you know, what

(01:18:30):
you do with new workers and what rights they should
have and so on seem to be reasonable enough, they've
nonetheless outraged the business community community over here, and that
has made its way to business communities further afield as well.

Speaker 10 (01:18:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
See, I can't work this out. On one hand, he
wants money to flow into the country and he's going
to you know, get the country moving and all that
sort of stuff, and then on the weekend he announces
new workers. Right, So I'm reading out on the program
yesterday that the train workers, who I didn't realize, work
standard four day week, but if they got for bid
work a five day week. There's another three hundred quid
in that that's on the time and a half on
Saturday they turn up on the Saturday, plus the nine

(01:19:08):
and a half percent pay rise they got. You can
hear it both ways.

Speaker 11 (01:19:13):
You can't have it both ways, and I don't think
there's any any possibility of the labor government understanding this
at the moment, because they are trying to have it
both ways, and sooner or later push will come to
shave and they will be shown up for either caving
into the unions their client groups on whatever issue comes

(01:19:35):
before them. So, for example, the young doctors, or rather
the doctors as we should call them properly, and also
the train workers. You know, these people have got Those
people have soaked up the money which would otherwise have
gone to the pensioners for their winter fuel announcements. It
really is as simple as that. And you cannot then

(01:19:55):
convince industry to invest in a country which is determined
to go down the French route of empowering employees to
a degree which you might argue is beyond the necessary.
You know that that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Let's take me down memory lane. I've completely forgotten about
this Scruple Salisbury, Nivochok and the inquiry where are we at?

Speaker 11 (01:20:22):
Where we're at is that a woman who was accidentally
poisoned by the Russians, a woman called Dawn Sturgis. The
Russians assassinated or tried to assassinate both Skurple and his daughter.
A Skuple was a former Russian secret services guy, and

(01:20:43):
they've tried to do so with koby shock is, a
which is a nerve gas, though not by the looks
of things, a hugely effective nerve gas. They've failed with
both the Scirples, but one of the one of the
bottles which carried this stuff was thrown in a skip.

(01:21:05):
Dawn Sturgis's boyfriend picked it up, gave it to Dawn
Sturgis as a gift, a gift which later proved to
be not entirely felicitous, and it killed her because it
had not a choco in it rather than now number five.
It looked like a perfume. It looked like a perfume character.

(01:21:25):
The problem is, the real problem is that we were
in a state of denial when all this happened. We
refused to believe that Putin would be so outrageous as
to attempt at an attack on the life of someone

(01:21:47):
who was living privately in Great Britain. And yet that
was obviously the case, just as it was was the
case of Livinenko, who was also killed by the Russians.
And so this has all opened up a new can
of worms. And one of the things which people will
be talking about is a degree to which the British

(01:22:10):
government did not sufficiently support Scruple during this time and
allowed him to be at the mercy of the Russian spies.
This was all only six years ago and it's a real,
real issue, and it will ratching up the tension again

(01:22:32):
between London and Moscow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Exactly just quickly. Rob Alex Salmon sixty nine, far too young,
giving a speech he keels Ivories did, Yeah, where does he?
Certainly animals of Scottish political history.

Speaker 11 (01:22:45):
Huge, absolutely huge, and way way more than the protege
who later turned on him, Nicholas Sturgeon. He is the
man who kind of coalesced around him this idea that
you could have an independent Scotland which would fight his
own way, and there's no doubt that he would be
able to do that, and that which was actually actively

(01:23:07):
harmed by an association with Westminster. He later formed his
own party ALBA. While he has been kind of rather
briskly pushed out of the party after some Jerry Mander
charges of impropriety, he was a good man in many
many ways, a cunning and shrewd political operator and I

(01:23:30):
think the Scottish National movement will miss him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Greatly well, so Mike will ketch up in a couple
of dies. Appreciate it right, A little out of the
UK eight forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Already the Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,
powered by News Talks at be Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
As we know, the poll's under count Trump every time.
How about Carmeler's book Plagiarism Story. Let me come back
to the polling in America and just a mind. It's
a very good piece read the other day, but the
other poller told you about this morning. This is a
locally one and this is why I likely produced one.
This is why you've got to be seriously suspicious of
what we're dealing with. This one was done by who

(01:24:07):
was it was a courier, I think it was anyway,
Forty eight percent of US favor publicly owned rail enabled
fairies forty eight percent of US, so that's big support
for the state to own the rail slash ferry company
and for those fairies, those new fairies, to be rail enabled.
Now why would they do a poll on this, because
of course the government hasn't made up their mind allegedly

(01:24:29):
as to what they're going to do. Every indication appears
to be that they don't want to be rail enabled
because they've become more expensive. New Zealand First want them
rail enabled because they like rail, but National don't because
they don't have any money. Ten percent of US supported
publicly owned fairies that were not rail enabled, So in
other words, National's got ten percent of US behind them.
New Zealand First has got forty eight percent behind us.

(01:24:49):
Fifteen percent supported partially privatized ferries. So it's getting complicated
that are not rail enabled. And twenty six percent of
those polled weren't sure. And I can't blame you to
be perfectly frank ah it included, by the way in
the poll an explanation of the extra cost of replacement
fairies were they to be rail enabled. Now how they

(01:25:11):
came to that particular explanation I don't know, but they
claimed the efficiency gains of being rail enabled is thought
to add about ten to twenty percent to the overall
cost of the Firio's infrastructure. Now, there are plenty of
people who would disagree with that, because, of course the
whole bill blew out to three point four billion from
a handful of hundreds of millions, and most of that
was about building new infrastructure on the land. Anyway, who
put this pole down? The Maritime Union of New Zealand,

(01:25:36):
I still believe it. Ten to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
It is seven away from nine from our Can you
believe at file Cliff Richard's coming back to the country
small and we can't stop me now Tour New He's
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(01:26:07):
next year.

Speaker 12 (01:26:09):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Tickets are going to go on sale this Friday, so
you can get excited about that runth So if you
buy a ticket on the eighteenth of October this Friday,
and you've only got to wait a year and a
month until you arrive it. Which is good that tickets
are electronically these days, because almost certainly if you bought
a ticket the old way and had to wait a
one year in one.

Speaker 10 (01:26:25):
Month, you go, we want those tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
I don't I put them anyway. You go to news
Talk zeb dot head dot in zed Ford slash watts
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Breakfast Facebook page, because I've already secured some tickets from
Sir Clifford, and you can win those tickets and we
will draw the winner on Thursday, so if you'd like
to know, so, he's coming in November of next year, fourteenth,

(01:26:47):
fifteenth in Auckland, seventeenth in Wellington and the nineteenth in
christ Jurich. It has been twelve years since we've seen
him in this particular part of the world, so we're
looking forward to him coming back. Cliff Richard, you can't
stop me now, which I'll do it of that line
the Mike Hosking Breakfast you can't stop me now, but anyway,

(01:27:08):
Cliff's got it. So all the details on the Mike
Hosking Breakfast Facebook page and hopefully you're a winner. And
if you're not, go buy some tickets five minutes away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Now, I'm just giving you the old Kamala Harris update
on the polls. She's also out there on the socials
this morning because they put an ad together publisher. It's
called the Man Enough Ad and it features real American
manly men supporting Harris. It was produced by the Creatives
for Harris Group. There's a Creatives for Harris Group video

(01:27:44):
not authorized by Harris or indeed her committee, some suggesting
it might well be the cringiest political ad in the
history of cringy political ads.

Speaker 13 (01:27:54):
I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man man,
and I'm man enough.

Speaker 10 (01:27:58):
I'm man enough to enjoy barrel proof bourbon meat.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Men enough to cook my steak rare, man enough to
deadlift five hundred and then break it out of my
daughter's hair.

Speaker 13 (01:28:07):
Do you think I'm afraid to rebuild a carburetor?

Speaker 10 (01:28:09):
How you carburetors for breakfast?

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
I'm afraid of bears.

Speaker 13 (01:28:12):
That's what beer hugs are for.

Speaker 14 (01:28:14):
I'll tell you another thing.

Speaker 5 (01:28:14):
I sure I am not afraid of women.

Speaker 10 (01:28:18):
I'm not afraid of women.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
I'm not afraid of women.

Speaker 12 (01:28:20):
Didn't want to control their bodies, I say.

Speaker 7 (01:28:22):
Go for it.

Speaker 11 (01:28:23):
They want to use IV, you have to start a family.

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
I'm not afraid of families.

Speaker 13 (01:28:26):
They want to be child ass cat ladies have all
the cats you want.

Speaker 14 (01:28:29):
Woman wants to be president, Well, I hope she has
the guts to look me right in the eye and
accept my bull.

Speaker 10 (01:28:34):
Throated endorsement, because I'm man enough to support.

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
Women, and I'm man enough to help them win.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Now, several problems, I mean pot from the factors crap uh,
is that none of them are real American men, their
real actors. So there, you guy. Mind you, she didn't
endulse it so tightly his fault. Having stumbled upon yesterday
and do look it up. Have you a bit boled
today and you got about three and a half minutes.
I'm not a massive fan of Saturday Night Live, but

(01:29:02):
I stumbled upon a clip they did over the weekend
that featured a woman whose name I can't remember, playing
Karmala Harris. But she's a well known actress and you'll
see her and you go a it's here. She actually
does quite a good impersonation. I thought quite a good impersonation.
But then they went onto the family Feud set, so
it was Trump v.

Speaker 10 (01:29:18):
Harris.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
The guy does Trump's brilliant. The guy who does Biden
is exceptional. The guy who does Tim Walsh Wolves is exceptional.
The two who were doing Don Junior and JD were useless,
but the guy who was hosting Family Feud was unbelievably funny.
The whole skit is as good a skit as you'll

(01:29:42):
ever see in the world of Saturday Night live skits.
There's my recommendation for the Day back tomorrow, as always,
Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
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