Full Show Podcast: 16 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Be Weding of Welcome Today. We're in Milwaukee for the
Republican Convention. The police had their pay deal sort of,
not that it wor the way they want and Darlingtonner
digs in and embarrasses the Greens a little bit more.
David seymore as the Prime Minister now the scrapp well
with Wellington Council which Wellington Council lost. And Nick Cassidy
who's on the verge of winning his first Formula E
title this weekend is in from London, Flores Say, Catherine
Field and France. Rod Little in the UK Pasky, Welcome

(00:35):
to the day. Seven past six. Governmental disappointment of the
week for me was the announcement of a panel that
we'll look into retail crime. It will take two years.
It is not necessary to gather people to take two
years to come up with ideas on what to do
with retail crime. Retail crime isn't cancer, while it is
a form of societal cancer, of course, but it's not
a complex issue, the answer to which only is to

(00:56):
be found in the lab requiring deep and detailed investigation.
What this announcement and dare I say it is the
Labour government reheated. When you have a problem and you're
not confident of being able to fix it, you create
a group to look into it, You give them a
generous time frame and you head it as they have
with one of your biggest critics in this case, Sonny Causial.
By doing this you take the heat out of the
pressure you're currently under. All questions going forward about retail

(01:17):
crime can be answered by saying, oh, yes, yes, we
share your concern, as do the panel we've just set
up to look into it, the results of which cannot
be far away. Crime is about consequences. This government has
made that very clear. It's about police presence and charges
and courts and sentences. Sunny Causial has been vocal, very
vocal over his ideas which involve their owners being able
to make arrests and security guards having more power. We,

(01:39):
in other words, already had the answers and in some
aspects announcements have already been made in terms of sentencing
and police on the beat, making it worse when the
panel come up with ideas they already have and have expressed.
It will require law change. Ah law change the government
will then announce takes time and in that is the
problem for governments. This one doesn't have time. They inherited us.

(02:00):
Sit will mess and time is of the essence. Some
of it can't be fixed quickly, but decisions can be
made and actions can be taken. And setting up a
labor style committee to do the bleeding obvious, isn't it.
And if this is the approach to one of our
most urgent issues, they will pay the price electorally. When
results don't come in and patients runs out.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
News of the world in ninety.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Seconds, it is Republican convention time in Milwaukee. The BP's
about to be named. Trump has had a massive court
when it's all on. But let's start with the investigation
and security. The Homeland boss is under pressure.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
A direct line of sight like that to the former
president should not occur. That is precisely why President Biden
directed that an independent review of the incident occur. That
will be done in close coordination with the FBI.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
As regards Trump's survival to getting all spiritual with it,
he was.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Touched by an angel I've heard the President understands the
moment that took place. He understands that he there is
a high probability he wouldn't have been here had he
not turned his head on Saturday. He sees himself as
this extended life, as a gift from God.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
To the courts where the Florida I took the papers
I wasn't supposed to. The case has been tossed.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
It's just not that we were supposed to operate as Americans.
And I say that both for if I was on
the other side and I was bringing a case against
President Biden, you just we have to follow the war.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'll work you through why they've done this in the moment,
because it's significant other matters. We got the new British
Foreign Secretary in Israel.

Speaker 6 (03:26):
I hope that we see a hostage deal emerge in
the coming days, and I am using all diplomatic efforts,
and particularly with Tony Blinken, pressing for that hostage deal.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
We have the King and the Queen in Jersey. When
security became an.

Speaker 7 (03:45):
Issue during the visit.

Speaker 8 (03:46):
Camilla was eating an ice cream when a member of
the Rale contingent whispered.

Speaker 7 (03:50):
Something to her.

Speaker 8 (03:51):
Both She and Charles were then pulled away and taken
to a nearby hotel. It's understood a member of the
visited team raised a concern.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
It was a false alarm. By the way, we have
the English football team back home coupless and the reviews
and the coach are in.

Speaker 9 (04:06):
I feel like he's had enough rolls of the dice
with all the tournaments he's had, and I feel like
in the England squad it might be good for a change.

Speaker 10 (04:13):
Are you good for the players to have a different manager.

Speaker 7 (04:17):
Yeah, I think they could have like a different experience
with a new manager and Devata, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
They should be running the country. Finally, turns out jen
Z is the biggest time wasted at the office in
the study, look at what generation was the most will
had the most time away from their desk. Gen Z
came up Trump's they take so many more vapor and
cigarette breaks. Apparently after gen Z, it was Boomers, then
gen X and then millennials. Gen Z say it's because
they're the most spressed out, backed up by the study

(04:43):
the two thirds saying workplace pressure increases their vapor and
take as news of the world in ninety seconds. Just
in from Milwaukee. By the way, Rubio Marco has been
told he is not he is not going to be
the VP. James B. Singing. I'll come back to that
in the moment, James B. Sicking. You remember the name,
even if you don't, you'll know the face. He's died
overnight at the age of ninety. My favorite was Hill

(05:03):
Street Blues. He was Howard Hunter for one hundred and
forty four episodes of Hill Street Blues. But he was
in everything Little House on the Prairie General Hospital, the
Pelican Brief, Ordinary Doogie Howser. But he has passed away overnight,
as I say, at the age of ninety, which is
a ripe old age twelve pass six the my Costing
Breakfast Stelley. What's getting interesting? So I told you a
moment ago that Ruby has been told he's not the

(05:24):
VP pick, which is good because you don't if you're
a bright guy. Rubio's my man. I think he's brilliant
and you'll one day make a great president. But you
don't want to associate yourself with Trump because you run
the risk, of course, of being a VP to a disaster.
Not that it's necessarily going to be, but you run
that very real risk. He allegedly has been told he's
not it. Bergham has just been told he's not it.
Equally good because he looks like a crazy man. So presumably,

(05:47):
and we have nothing official in terms of who's actually
in not in, but jd Vance seems to be increasingly
the favorite younkins in that Max. I don't know why
Tim Scott's a possibility. Previously ran against him, of course,
so I would. I'm calling Barnce jod Barnce anyway the
word as he's coming out in the next hour or
so to do all of that. Fifteen past six Bie

(06:11):
now from Infimetrics this morning, Bradley Olsen is doing the
business for us. Brad morning to you.

Speaker 11 (06:16):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Now you're in Brussel. So we'll come to that particular
piece of excitement in just a couple of moments, but
bring us back home. Initially, the housing market bit of
data out in the last twenty four hours or so.
What do you see for June.

Speaker 12 (06:27):
Yeah, look, it's not good or depending on how you
look at the housing market. We've seen that house prices
are down again, down about zero point four percent over
the last month according to our seasonal adjustment. That means
that annual price growth has slowed back from two point
three percent to just one point three percent. Long story, short,
prices are tracking sideways. That's because how sales have fallen again,

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those numbers continuing to move into a lot of position
at the same time as there are more properties available
for sale, so you've got more people trying to sell.
This actual spening that means more competition on the market,
which is keeping prices lower. And let's be real, at
the moment, with no change in interest rates immediately going
to happen, there's not a lot of change here. We'd

(07:11):
expect to sort of see these sort of figures throughout
the next six months or so.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Indeed, you got the CPI coming tomorrow, if that's the
way they think it will be, and we suddenly start
talking about, you know, cuts before the end of the year.
Does that materially change the housing market you reckon or not.

Speaker 12 (07:26):
I don't know if it's as immediate as some people
make it out to be. I mean, yes, you'll see
a bit more energy and activity because more people might
be able to get a mortgage, But I think a
lot of people will still be a little bit weary
of sort of jumping in sort of you know, feet throst.
So maybe a bit of relief, but it won't be
sort of just a huge wall of housing activity that

(07:47):
starts to flood through.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
All right, the economy generally the psized services how bad
do you reckon?

Speaker 12 (07:53):
Oh, well, that these numbers are you know, absolutely appalling
for the economy if you look at them, I mean,
the lowest reading outside of sort of those COVID lockdown periods.
You had the lowest reading last month that got even
worse this month, and it sort of does show that,
you know, really the service sector is not in a
healthy place. And then sort of across the board you

(08:14):
look at sort of spending on hospitality, you look at
sort of tourism activity. Neither of those are great. In fact,
you know, the number of tourists coming into the country
still not really showing any further recovery with sort of
you know plateau for the last year or so. Now
you look at you know, incoming work for the construction sector,
what architects are saying they're doing not a lot. Is

(08:36):
the long story short there? And so you know, overall
this does point to the services part of the economy
not doing particularly well and really again sort of contributing
to that expectation that with spending week from households. What
you're also now seeing though, is that businesses of course
aren't investing either because their sales don't look good, and

(08:56):
that means that business to business sales genuinely lower. So
I think overall still pointing and painting a pretty dark
picture for the economy.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Of course, what will get us out of this is
trade and tourism. Tourism stuck on eighty percent trade Urine Brussels.
What do you see in Europe and its ability to
help us out? And given what we saw out of
China yesterday wasn't particularly good.

Speaker 12 (09:19):
No, I mean, certainly here in Europe there's a lot
of interest in doing more trade in there. You know,
as I've been going around, I think I've spotted about
six or seven signs advertising zespri Kiwi fruit, which is
always good to sort of see, you know, keev exports
that are going in and of course that part the
horticulture exports that New Zealand has, they will be getting
bolstered by the EU Free Trade Agreement that that went

(09:42):
into force I think it was in May, and there's
certainly a lot of interest from the EU, A sort
of going, well, look, you know, we've got a free
trade agreement with New Zealand. Now the Aussi's recently pulled
out of negotiations with the EU because they couldn't agree
on terms. So we are in sort of a good
place here, but everyone at the s same time as
talking trade, as talking security across the world. Of course

(10:04):
they worried about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. You've got
the war and garz are happening. You've still got concerns
over the South China Sea. So a feeling that trade
is important and it's in a better place at the moment,
but still some pretty big sawny challenges ahead.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Got on your mate, nice to catch up, Go well
in Brussels, and don't forget to bring me back a
tob Laron brad Olsen economists and infimetrics. And because he's
in Brussels, he didn't got access to the numbers like
I've got access to the numbers. The s and P
five one hundred up a little bit five six two
nine of the end z the nasdak up slightly to
eighteen four four nine at the foot see one hundred

(10:39):
down a bit eighty one hundred and eighty three the
a six two hundred yesterday I think I was reading
it set a record, but it was up a bit
to eight thy seventeen the end zied fifty down episode
slightly twelvey one hundred and twenty three US dollar sixty
point seven Australia at eight eighty nine point nine. It

(11:00):
says here call at nine. You can't call it that,
because that's what a currency is, you idiot, eight point
nine to nine. You don't just why don't we just
call it a dollar? It's on parity?

Speaker 13 (11:10):
Oh yeah, what's the point of teaching us rounding a
mass of goodness?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
You say it again? The pounds at forty six point
eight gold, twenty four hundred and twenty one dollars in oil,
relatively steady at eighty two dollars and forty five. Oh,
why don't we call it ninety bucks? Whatever we like?
It is eight twenty one. By the way, Google are
reporting they're doing a deal. I had never heard of Whiz,
but they're looking to buy Whiz. Whizz is a company

(11:35):
that launched in twenty twenty. It's denighing an IPO, but
Google's come along cloud security offering basically, and you can
see everything in the cloud if you're a major business. Anyway,
they're looking to buy Whiz for twenty three billion dollars.
The only reason I mentioned that is if they close
the deal, it's the biggest thing that Google's ever bought.
And the other good news I can give you're given
up giving you the bad news on China then numbers
out yesterday were hopeless, but I'll work you through those

(11:55):
later on. But the beer market they see, not only
in China, actually globally, the beer market is bouncing back,
and it's bouncing back at the top end, at the
flash end of the beer market globally, and in China
they see things looking a little bit better this year,
which we will take six twenty one the release talk
to b.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast News.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Have said me, Mike brad Olson, support of our EU
trade deal. Yet Australia, with its greater export base pulled
out of this. Are we being told the full story?
Don We are? But let me come back to that
because we'll go to Italy after six thirty this morning,
where Todd McLay is our Trade Minister, and we'll talk
more about that anyway, The important thing about what has
happened overnights in court as far as the Florida case
with Trump is concerned, is it's been tossed in the U. S.

(12:39):
District Court for the Southern District of Florida. It comes
back to the bloke Smith, Jack Smith, it was illegal
as prosecutor. Appointing him as prosecutor was illegal. So this
is a significant. Smith's appointment a special counsel by the
Attorney General Merrick Garland. So this reflects badly on the
Biden administration violated the Constitution's appointment clause of the United

(13:00):
States must be appointed by the President and confirmed by
the US Senate. She also did the judge rule that
Smith's use of permanent, indefinite appropriation funding for his prosecution case,
in other words, violated the constitution clause. Both the appointments
and appropriations challenges, as framed in the motion raise the
following threshold question. Is there a statute in the US

(13:20):
States Code or United States Code that authorizes the appointment
of special counsel Smith to conduct this prosecution? She wrote,
after careful study of the seminal issue, the answer is no.
It'll be appealed, of course, but it's a major blow
and a good win for Trump. He can seem to
do no wrong. This week Sex twenty six.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
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Speaker 2 (13:44):
Disney's had some trouble with Marble. Last four films have
all flopped, the suggestion being they're a bit woky wokey. Anyway,
Captain America's back, first feature film that will not have
Chris Evans.

Speaker 14 (13:54):
Thanks for coming in, Thank you for the MV Sir.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
You and I I haven't always greed in the past,
but I want to make another run at making Captain
America an official military position.

Speaker 15 (14:07):
And if we disagree on how to manage this situation,
then what happens?

Speaker 16 (14:12):
Sir?

Speaker 14 (14:12):
Your inner circle has been compromising. Whether you can't see that,
but you don't want to. Global power is shifting. You're
just a pawn. You may be Captain America, but you're
not Skip for Rogers. All right, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Anthony Mackie. You Captain America. Harrison Fords, the President who
turns into Red Hulk. Just in case you want to know,
that's not out until Cinemas fourteenth of February for the
new second use what's the dollar doing, Sammy, where's she
up at ninety one? Ninety two? Let's call it ninety five?
Shall we use for you in a couple of moments.
Then to Italy in the G seven trade meeting where
we are attending the.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Breakfast show you can trust Mike Hosking Breakfast with Jaguar,
the Art of Performance News.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Tog SAIDB tell you what when Elder and Ezy wakes
up this morning and reads the latest poll out the
resolved Monitor poll, he's going to be second guessing himself
on an earlier election, which is still a talking point
across the Tasman only twenty seven percent of voters, so
they're earning more than their spending. So this is this
whole conversation we're having. Wined in New Zealander is leaving
for Australia because I tell you what, things in Australia
now aren't great. Core support for the Greens is down,

(15:25):
Independence and one Nation is steady, but the Coalition is
the one that's doing well. Are because Labour's primary vote's
gone from thirty seven to twenty eight since Augus last year,
so they're in three four thirty seven to twenty eight.
Coalition primary has gone from thirty three to thirty eight
in the same time period. Elban easy thirty three percent
of voters say he's doing a good job, fifty four
percent saying he's doing a poor job. So the net

(15:47):
performance rating is minus twenty one. Dutton's come from nowhere,
the unelectable. Dutton's risen like a phoenix. Thirty nine percent
good job, thirty nine percent poor job, So ANIT rating
of zero, net rating of zero versus minus twenty one percent.
So Elbow's got trouble twenty two to seven.

Speaker 17 (16:07):
A bunch of.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Officials are leaping them the same at the moment in France,
trying to convince everybody you're not going to dive something.
So we'll go to France in a moment with catsman Field. Meantime,
let us head off for the first time to Italy
because for the first time we've been invited to a
G seven meeting. This one deal specifically with trade. So
what if anything tangible is going to come out of it? Anyone?
The Trade Minister, Todd McLay is with us from Italy.
Morning to you, Hey, myke, good morning. Is this a

(16:31):
gab fest or something material comes out of it.

Speaker 18 (16:34):
Well, look, twenty five percent of the world's GDP is here.

Speaker 11 (16:38):
These are you know, some of the big economies.

Speaker 18 (16:40):
So for New Zealand to be invited to come along
for the first time is you know, it is quite
a big deal and it's a privilege and we get
to come and talk about the things that are important
to New Zealand to trade ministers from these other countries.
One of the things we're focusing on is supply chain
and you know, we already know that New Zealand company
is exporting to the uk Urope if funding get harder

(17:01):
because of challenges around shipping and geopolitics to get in there.
So anything we can do over the next couple of
days that makes it better and easier for New Zealand
exporters is you know, worth doing.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Tell me about this. The Rich Sea deployment which was
extended by your government the other day last week. I think,
is anyone there talking about why it hasn't worked? How
come the world's military isn't in that area freeing the
thing up for ships to actually move. It's been going
on for months.

Speaker 18 (17:26):
Yeah, Well, look, I think the answer that is working
because it's not getting a lot worse. But you're right,
it's a very complicated issue there. One of the things
we're going to be talking about supply chain is not
when there is a challenge of problem somewhere in the world,
what can we do to make, you know, to build
resilience so that like minded countries in Europe, Japan elsewhere
can work together and actually make sure that you know,

(17:47):
goods and services get to market are a lot more easily.
So I'm very pleased that we're talking about that. The
other thing I'll be raising is these non tariff barriers,
these standards and someone that get in the way of
New Zealand sports. We think there's about twelve billion dollars
lost in the New Zealand economy exports as a result
of the standards are put in place around the world.

(18:08):
And so I'll be talking to these trade millists as
the big economies about ways that we can work together
get the barriers down so qubes can sell more overseas.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
How much is China a talking point. We've got some
fairly ordinary numbers out of them yesterday. How many of
your countries, the G seven countries. The people in that
room actually rely on China to be doing a bit
better than than they are.

Speaker 18 (18:27):
Well, I think everybody buys and sells from China. You know,
they're pretty big part of the world's economy and a
lot of GDP. But you know, if you think about
the European Union. In New Zealand, for instance, we've got
the FTA, which we were able to get into force
many months earlier than expected. I have been having a
look around since we arrived at Italy yesterday and there

(18:47):
are signs up all over the place from Zesbury advertising
New Zealand Kiwi fruit here and of course we got
that into the market their season duty free, Tara free.
So you know, whilst there is softening in China, which
is going to be you know, create some challenges, New
Zealand experts are going to have to work harder how
China and strategy means we want to do much more
in other parts of the world. I'll be meeting with

(19:08):
the Indian Trade Minister tomorrow morning. We're sitting down for
a very long bilateral and telling them that I'm looking
forward to getting up there in the next month or
so to really start putting some energy into open the
Indian market because you know, our opportunities to sell to
China and other parts of the world is how we're
going to grow to the Zealand economy.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Very interesting point, how I mean, it's outside your wheelhouse.
But do you tell the Indian Trade minister that having
Mody hang out with Putin's not cool? And why isn't
the world more exercised about this.

Speaker 18 (19:35):
I'll be telling him about the great New Zealand lamb
he should be buying a seat of Australian lamb and
how we need to get some of these tariff rates down. Look,
it's important that New Zealand talks about the things that
are important to us and we should do that both
publicly and directly. But in as far as the meeting
tomorrow is concerned, you know, just ways that we can
continue to grow that relationship between India and New Zealand.

(19:57):
It was underdone under the Labor government. That's really really clear.
We're putting a lot of effort into it.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Good stuff, all right, go, well, appreciated very much. Todd McClay,
who is in Italy this morning. No one covers that too.
I mean, you know, Modied Mody turns up to Putin's
house and they hang out together, and nobody seems to
be remotely bothered by that. Eighteen Away from seven Brad
Olsen supportive of the EU trade Deal. Yeah, the point
Don was reasonable. The EU trade deal is not a

(20:23):
great trade deal. I never said it was a great
trade deal. And I've almost forgotten his name, O'Connor, Damian O'Connor,
remember when he was the trade minister. We had him
on the program once they signed it. And if you
look at the great trade deals of the world, the
one we signed with the UK is as good as
it gets. It's absolutely gold standard. Where does the EU
sit with that? Not particularly high? But is it better?
And I think this is Brad's reference. Is it better

(20:43):
than no trade deal at all? And I think in
that the answer has to be yes. Eighteen two.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
The Mike hosting Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Mike, you're on the money. Why haven't we ramped up
the military to reopen the Red Sea trade? When you
say we, I mean it's not us. We barely got
a military for goodness sake. It's ridiculous that the canal
has been closed for a year after centuries of dreaming
about building that particular route. It does surprise me it'll
be geopolitics and Yemen and all that sort of stuff.
I get that, but it's been a problem for a
sustained period of time, and why the world hasn't done more.

(21:12):
They went in the British and the Americans initially, but
nothing really happened, and nothing's happened since as far as
I can tell.

Speaker 19 (21:18):
Six forty five international correspondence with Insie Eye Insurance Peace
of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
We hoped, Captain. Feel very good morning for you.

Speaker 20 (21:27):
Good morning mine.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Weaking a bit to go until the big opening. Are
you locked down yet? Can you move still?

Speaker 21 (21:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (21:34):
It's getting more and more difficult, Mike.

Speaker 10 (21:36):
I mean, just today we've had the priority lanes of
traffic lanes for Olympic traffic brought in the Paris so
that's taken out. It's about one hundred and eighty kilometers
of traffic lanes all around Paris have now gone out
of use for basic human beings like myself. The whole
idea of Mike is that every Olympian should be able

(21:58):
to reach the particular sporting venue within thirty minutes of
leaving the Olympic village.

Speaker 20 (22:05):
Well, good luck with that.

Speaker 10 (22:06):
I mean you know, it doesn't seem to be that easy,
but they are doing what they can to make us
use public transport. I think what we are they're really seeing, Mike,
And this follows off the back of Sunday's best D
Day parade here in Paris is just the everyday security,
more and more police on the streets, more and more
police boats going up and down the Center River, people

(22:29):
being checked, a lot, more video surveillance.

Speaker 20 (22:32):
And I think there's just a real real realization.

Speaker 10 (22:35):
I think, Mike, that when Paris was awarded these games
in what twenty seventeen, the world was a very different place.

Speaker 20 (22:42):
Since then, we've.

Speaker 10 (22:43):
Had what we've had COVID, we've got Ukraine war, is
ai is disinformation, and.

Speaker 20 (22:49):
You've got all that.

Speaker 10 (22:50):
Plus on top of that, you've got the possibility of
social unrest because there's still no government in France and
all different sides are still scubbling over who's going to
lead the government.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Indeed, let me come back to the government. In the
moment that miss Castira, how did she go? Can she swim?
For a start? She was certainly well digged out in
the rubber, wasn't she? Jesus must be.

Speaker 10 (23:07):
She was indeed, Yeah, the Sports Minister had a very
quick dip.

Speaker 20 (23:12):
I would call it a.

Speaker 10 (23:13):
Dip rather than a swim in the sin on the
Saturday morning, mate. Is that the whole question has been
will the sin be clean enough? And will boats be
able to get downe at because it really is.

Speaker 20 (23:25):
It's very swell, that tributaries are all overflowing.

Speaker 10 (23:29):
It's not just high, it's polluted, and it's looking difficult.
And what they're saying is this might is that for
ten of the last twelve days it has been clean
enough to be able to swim in. So I think
the deal is you don't ask about those other two days.
But generally it's proving difficult because the area all around

(23:51):
the sen basin, as you know, is densely populated. Plus
there's a lot of cultivated agricultural land nearby, so you've
got all these I guess we've got a synthetic fertilizers
being sort of swept in to the sind because of
this heavy spring and summer rain we've got.

Speaker 20 (24:07):
And they're just still not yet saying whether it's going
to be right.

Speaker 10 (24:12):
On the days it's just too high, too much worry.
You know, it's going to be touched and go for
the opening ceremonies. But whether or not that marathon swimming
in the sun goes ahead, and whether it's going to
be a triathlon or not still a big question.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Mark because I know that the Mere Hill dago and
of course Macron himself promised to take a dip, so
we'll wait and see. Now.

Speaker 10 (24:32):
By the way, on this government, she's going to take
a dip on Wednesday morning, so.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
That's why a couple of di raup. Fair enough, is
she going to be Is she going to put the
steamer on? You really need to steamer in the middle
of summer.

Speaker 20 (24:44):
Well it's not that warm hair, Mike Rainy.

Speaker 10 (24:47):
But yeah, she's she says, Wednesday morning, ten o'clock, she's
going to leave her office at the town Hall and
it's going to walk down and swim in the sind fantastic.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Are we any closer to a government?

Speaker 20 (24:57):
No fraid not.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
No.

Speaker 10 (24:59):
The far left all started fighting months themselves and claiming
that each other is trying to dis in fact the
process for choosing a prime minister. So they've now got
to all Parliament's got to be convened on Thursday. They've
got to decide on a speaker, that's parliament President, and
they say that once they've got that then they might
all get together and try and put forward someone to

(25:20):
be a prime minister. But in the meantime the President
has asked for this centrists in the government and the
Parliament to get together and come forward with some sort
of democratic center government.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
All right, we'll look forward to your company next week.
K'in appreciate it very much, Catherine Field. And France, by
the way, Delta, as in the American airline, they say
the competition is going to cost them, as in the Olympics,
going to cost them one hundred million dollars in a
revenue hit because people aren't going to Paris if youre
going to Paris. Basically the saying, unless you're going to
the Olympics, no one's going to Paris. Very few people
want to be in Paris for the Olympics unless you're
there specifically for the Olympics. So they're seeing bookings all

(25:54):
over the place that aren't Paris. So they calculated it
to mean they will take a one hundred million dollar
hit in revenue. And that's just one airline ten away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
My costkil breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Talks IVY.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I know with a great deal of bitterest Morning Joe,
which is mis NBC progressive. That is what the word
is used in America. They are a progressive show, I
left leaning anyway. They didn't they didn't put themselves on
air this morning. They ran with their so called live
rolling coverage. Decision was made to avoid a scenario in
which one of the show's stable of two dozen plus

(26:29):
guests might make an inappropriate comment on live television. In
other words, they didn't trust their guests not to go
off peacet and ruin the whole reputation of the network
at a time when we need to be a little
bit sensitive about about that. Now to Milwaukee itself, we'll
get you to Simon Marx, who's at the convention for
us after seven o'clock this morning. But here's a flavor

(26:50):
from the Iowa Republican chairman, a guy called Jef Kaufman.

Speaker 13 (26:55):
So here we go.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
It is my honor ten eight Donald J.

Speaker 16 (27:02):
Trump for the office, Bros.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
He's how dealing it, he is howard dealing it. He's
a large round brown man. When I say brown, don't
get carried away. Just look like he'd been in the
sun a lot, but he looked like he could explode
at any moment. Five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Well, the ins and the outs, it's the fizz with
business fiber, take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, this business of China continues to unfold. World watching
and waits for the bounce back. Q two didn't happen.
Four point seven was your number, and you go, well,
four point seven, I've gone it wouldn't be wonderful. We
had four point seven, Yes, it would be, but we
don't anyway. They were disappointed with four point seven. So
the under expectation those numbers government's annual growth target as
around about five percent. Q two was expected to be

(27:49):
five point one, So four point seven was your disappointment.
Continued property slow downs Your main problem. A high unemployment,
weak consumption, particularly among the tremendous number of young Chinese unemployed, asumption,
big local government debt that's a millstone around their neck.
New home prices fell four and a half percent year
on year, biggest drop in nine years. New construction starts

(28:09):
with our over twenty three percent. Property investment was down
over ten percent. All ugly. As I got a bright spot.
You want a bright spot in dust real production that
beat the expectations. Grew five point three percent. Retail only
up two percent, missed by a mile. Fixed asset investment
up by three point nine percent, missed by a mile.
Export's still reasonable. Those were up eight point six percent. Exports,

(28:30):
so that's good. Button is where New Zealand fits him.
The import story not good at all because the imports
were down two point three percent. You don't want to
be selling to a country that's not really interested in
buying anymore, do you. So that's China, and that's unfortunately
where we're at.

Speaker 22 (28:44):
JD.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Varnce appears to be the hot ticket. We'll get the
word from Assimon Marks, as I say, from Feature Story
News FSM, and we'll walk in just a couple of moments. Varnce,
former marine fort in Iraq, always good. They turned his
life into a film in twenty twenty because he wrote
a book and they thought that's a good book, will
make a film out of it. Glenn's seen it. I haven't,
but he raves. He said, as far as books go,
it's just and as far as films goes fantastic one

(29:07):
Ohio in twenty twenty two. He opposes abortion, he's for
the wall, he's a critic of the military and the
aid for Ukraine. Doesn't like any of that. So Trump's
loving him so far. Hates Meta, hates TikTok. He doesn't
hate Meta and hate TikTok.

Speaker 13 (29:20):
I mean, just just to clarify on my review of
the movie. It was an okay movie.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
It was only okay, but weirdly, in a movie that.

Speaker 13 (29:28):
Was supposed to make you like him, it made me
really hateful.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh, you don't like him, so you wouldn't pick him
as your VP. Okay converted to Catholicism in twenty nineteen.
That changed your mind at all? It's changes tune on Trump.
Hated Trump in twenty sixteen, by the time we got
to twenty twenty, loves him. So more on this just
a moment.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
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Speaker 2 (29:55):
Seven past seven so for reasons they could never have imagined.
This week's Republican National Convention has the world watching. Of course,
this is how it all unfolds. Literally as we speak.
The delegates go to the conference floor and they tell
the conference just who they're voting for. This is Jessica
Patterson of California.

Speaker 23 (30:09):
With the largest delegation in the nation. Madam Secretary the
Great State of California, proudly casts all of its one
hundred and sixty nine votes for President.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Donald Trump, and we go around floor until he gets
twelve hundred and fifteen, which is the number he needs
to secure the nomination the president. She correspondent for Feature
Story News FSN, Simon Marx is at that convention ends
with us, good morning.

Speaker 17 (30:32):
And good afternoon from Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
The comments we've heard from the former President Trump about
a new speech being written in a chance to unite
the country, if not the entire world. How much of
that do we believe, as the revived that that is
possible at the convention.

Speaker 17 (30:45):
Well, it certainly appears to be a plan that has
been widely shared with prominent supporters of former President Donald Trump.
I was talking a bit earlier today to Senator Ron
Johnson of Wisconsin. Of course, Milwaukee is in Wisconsin. He's
the one of the two senators from the state where
this convention is taking place, and he was absolutely certain
he's a very close ally of Donald Trump. That we're

(31:07):
going to hear a new tone, a call for unity
in the speech that Donald Trump will be making on
Thursday night here in which he will formally accept the
Republican Party's presidential nomination and urging for Americans to try
and find a way of coming together. And indeed, friends
and associates of Donald Trump who have seen him over

(31:28):
the weekend since the attempted assassination that took place at
the rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday, describe him as a
changed man, with some suggesting that he had even reacted
spiritually to the attempted assassination and to his survival. He
told one reporter with the Washington Examiner when he arrived

(31:50):
here in Milwaukee that I should be dead. So there
is certainly a heightened expectation that this will be a
very different Donald Trump than the one that we have
obviously all become used to seeing. And obviously many observers
here are wondering how long that new tone might be adopted,

(32:11):
or to what extent It's going to be one speech
and then he'll revert.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
To type, and then of course you've got the convention
itself that theme. If it's possible, can they contain all
the people within the Republican Party who, under other circumstances
might have been a little freer in the language prior
to this event.

Speaker 17 (32:28):
Yes, I mean, I think that the sense coming into Milwaukee,
and you know delegates have been streaming into this city
in the hours since the assassination attempt, is that it's
absolutely uniting the party around Donald Trump and cementing his
position at its helm in a way that Trump and
is in a circle could only have dreamt of six

(32:49):
months ago. I mean, even we've heard in the last
few hours a speaking invitation has been given to Nicky Hayley,
who of course was Trump's rival in the primaries. She
was only invited to attend this convention on Saturday, and
now they're finding space for her in the speeches on
Tuesday night. So this is a party absolutely uniting around

(33:14):
former President Donald Trump at the very point, of course
that Democrats are many of them in the House of
Representatives and more broadly, prominent supporters of the Democratic Party
like George Clooney saying to President Joe Biden please drop
out of the race. So an astonishing and very unexpected
contrast that we're going to see.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Here and while we're getting reports, while we got you
here Simon Bergham and Ruby urb and told they are
not vps. Do we have any further information?

Speaker 17 (33:43):
Well, we know now the announcement is coming here this
afternoon Milwaukee time, and we increasingly think that the vice
presidential candidate will be Senator JD. Vance of Ohio. There
were some telltale signs over the weekend he received secrets
this protection. On Sunday today there were reports that he

(34:03):
was afforded a motorcade to make his way to the
convention Center, the VII ser Of Arena here in Milwaukee. JD.
Vance has been on a bit of a journey. I mean,
he was a pretty ferocious critic of Donald Trump back
in the twenty sixteen cycle, but since then he has
absolutely embraced Donald Trump's Make America Greater gain movement, and

(34:25):
prominent Republicans that you talk to will say, look, this
appointment is not just about finding a running mate. This
is about anointing a successor to Donald Trump. So that's
a big moment that's coming up here in a few
hours time.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Indeed, Simon, just to interrupt, I apologize Sir Simon Marx
of if his scene will lead him to it, because
the announcement's just been made that it is jd Vance
after and this is Trump on social truth social so
the shares will go up again. After lengthy deliberation and thought,
and considering the tremendous talents of many others, I've decided
that the person best suited to assume the position of
Vice President of the United States is seen Ator JD.

(34:58):
Vance of the Great State of o Ohio. The Governor
of Ohio, Mike de Wines on the floor.

Speaker 14 (35:03):
We're very happy.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
This is a great day for Ohio.

Speaker 21 (35:05):
Ohio truly is the heart of it all, as we say.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
And now we have the base presidential candid and we
help the next base president Ranged States and Jed Evans
asking it is one and it's past seven, bring it
back home. The police pay deals finally been settled. Essentially,
they couldn't agree talk for ages, so they took it
off to an independent arbitrator who favored the government's argument
fifteen hundred dollars lump sum backdated wage increases at least
five thousand dollars over time from next July. The Association

(35:29):
president Chris Carhill's with us on this. Chris morning to you.

Speaker 21 (35:33):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
This is an elegant solution. I know you don't like it,
but if you can't agree, you can't agree. Get somebody
down the middle to make the call. They made the call.
And that's life, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (35:42):
Yeah, well, certainly you have to accept it. The only
difference is, Mike, because it's formal oft for arbitration, both
parties stand to win big or lose bigger. We think
you'd better to have arbitration. We're an arbitrator, could pick
and choose something in the middle, pick and two's the best,
what we are for, the best, what police offer, and
sort of come up with a solution that that's more
equitable to everyone, rather than one side wins at all

(36:05):
than one side loses.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, but that's negotiation, and you couldn't negotiate. It didn't work.

Speaker 21 (36:10):
Yeah, but sometimes that's having an independent arbitrade and that
can choose the best is still a better position, we
think than just having losing everything. When you put your
case on the side and it becomes so marginal, as
it was in this.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Case, you wouldn't say that if you'd won, though, would you.

Speaker 21 (36:26):
Well, you know, we won last time, and we still
think there's issues with it. I think that the whole
idea of it is when it was put together so
that police can't because police can't strike and the government's
meant to come to the party and recognize that as
a condition. Where it's not being recognized a condition, then
they're not giving the police enough to actually put the

(36:47):
right offers on the table. That's when it come to
the issue.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
See, here's part of the problem is although we would
all agree, I think, and nurses probably fall into the
same category, should nurses be paid more? Should police be
paid more? We'd all go yes. Then you get down
to the houch more. In numbers terms, it's not a
bad deal, is it? Four plus four plus fifteen hundred
plus overtime?

Speaker 21 (37:07):
Yeah, Look, it's not the worst ealier ever without. The
problem is it doesn't get officers back, even even with
inflation over the sort of the five year periods, so
the last two years and the three years going forward.
And the other thing it doesn't do is address the
big increases in demand, the big increases and risk and

(37:27):
complexity of the role, and other groups such as nurses
and teachers that have been able to industry election have
had some recognition to that over the last five and
ten years. Police never have. So there's those two issues
that it happened, really why we haven't been able to settle.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Chris, appreciate your time. Chris Carhill, who's the Police Association president?
Tell you who shouldn't be in a job as Darlene Tanner.
Isn't it ironic? She's got Mikey Sherman and can ring
her up and go?

Speaker 24 (37:50):
Hallo?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Mikey, can I come and talk? But you can't find
a number for the Green Party? And what does that
say about him? More In a moment fifteen past the
hosts acting Prime Minister the day see Moore in a
couple of moments eighteen minutes past seven and a sign
that Darling Tana is digging and she managed to bring
the media, but not her own party, who still can't
get hold of her. Apparently she still disputes the report,
which we've yet to see, although the only people holding
up its releases I understand it now are Tanner herself

(38:13):
and her husband. Anyway, Peter dunes with us on this. Peter,
very good morning to you, good one. Having seen the
interview last night, and she said nothing particularly coherent. She
doesn't agree with the report, which is which is her right.
Isn't the ball now in the Green's court? They've got
to do something about.

Speaker 22 (38:25):
This, yes, and I think this.

Speaker 24 (38:28):
I thought originally her response had two bits for it,
but I'm not so sure now. I thought she was
on the one hand, she could be undecided about the future.
On the other, which I think is far more likely.
She's now throwing down the gold book to the Greens.
You move, not me, and I think that's going to
put them in a very difficult position.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Indeed, what does it say about Chloe's leadership that this
has been allowed to drag on for so long and
I'm assuming in an embarrassing.

Speaker 24 (38:50):
Way, well seventeen weeks class and it's certainly not going
to be resolved in anytime soon. Does show I think
a lack of both decisiveness and also empathy within the
Green Party. Actually they haven't really tried to work out
a cheerway through this, if Darlian Tanna's account is correct.
But they said we came to the meeting and said right,
you've got to resign. Then that doesn't show much in

(39:12):
the way of personnel management skills.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
No, indeed not the walker jumping. I get that they're
against it, but what better example is there because you
can't possibly want this woman wandering off one is an
independent or worse of the Murray party, can you.

Speaker 24 (39:24):
Well, that's right, and the different of the Greens have
not though is of course we saw we could go
right back to the donnertarity a case in the early
two thousands. It's not an open and shut case. That
case dragged on and went to the High Court in
the end over many many months, and that's the last
thing the Greens would want. So if Karna's not going
to cooperate and go quietly, and they decided to invoke

(39:46):
the walk up trumping legislation, then the seventeen weeks we've
had so far could probably treble what the matters results.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Should they release the report despite the fact Tanna and
her husband don't want it released, given we paid for most.

Speaker 24 (39:57):
Of it, Well, I think I think it does need
to be released because there's obviously a public debate about
who said what, who did what, when and how And
it's not good enough really for Tanna and her husband
to say, you know, we don't think the report's correct,
but we don't want it released. That just doesn't stack up.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Now it does. Niceity you, Pete appreciate it as always,
Peter done. Are they just weird or is it me?
I mean, are increasingly looking like a bunch of weirdos.
The more you look into the party, the more odd
they are. And I said yesterday in the program, this
does go back to candidate selection. Clearly nobody asks any
questions at all about your background, where you've been, what
you think, how you behave all of these other questions.
Do not forget this was about migrant exploitation. This was

(40:34):
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twenty four. Trump's just gone over the top with Florida.
He's got twelve fifty nine needs twelve to fifty one
as far as delegates are concern. Anyway back here, we're
standing by for the courts to rule on the Uber case.

(42:02):
So the Uber case involves some drivers right who decided
they didn't like the way the company operated, and so
with the union backing, they went to the court in
the hope that they intervene and change the rules. Now,
this is basically the gig economy. The gig economy is
the one that allows you not to be tied down
to an employee. You work for them if you want
to or not, as the mood takes you. You can
do fifteen hours one week, forty five the next. You
can work for other people. You can come and go

(42:23):
as you please. This for a free thinker and an
independent operator suits, but for unions and the like, it's
the antithesis of everything they believe work should be. Work
should be a form of slavery in which you are
shackled to an overlord who dictates your circumstances. Yes, they
give you sick leave and holiday pay, but they also
tell you what's what. Which is where the union steps in. See,
unions are nothing without aggrieved workers, and aggrieved workers are

(42:45):
found in old work employment scenarios When aggrieved you can
plead your case around paying conditions, you can go on strike,
all the usual employment paraphernalia. The drivers want the court
to flip the Uber deal on its head. They want
to be employees, not contractors. Now act as in the
government want to change employment law, so you can't go
and do that, and they're right. Allowing courts to set

(43:06):
law as opposed to interpret law is dangerous and too
many courts in this country these days are dabulers. If
you can't set up a business with a model that
allows you to pursue the ideas and dreams you see
as a means to success, you are not living in
a free country. Open, honest and free exchange of working
arrangements is the cornerstone of a democracy. I would have
thought some drivers and unions don't want that, and that

(43:28):
is dangerous. Other governments were keen for the courts to
rule on this before they acted or reacted to it
all Act. Apparently they want to nip this in the bud.

Speaker 14 (43:35):
Act right.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Asking deal with that with the acting Prime Minister in
a couple of moments. So JD Vance's you management a
busy half hour, isn't it? So officially trump as your nominee.
He's now at thirteen hundred and twenty eight. Needed twelve fifty,
needed twelve fifty What did I say, it was twelve
fifty one, whatever, it was, twelve fifteen, twelve fifteen, he
got twelve fifty one with Florida is now up at
thirteen twenty eight, so he's home free. There's no question
he was going to get the nomination. Also anounced in

(44:00):
the last half hour. JD. Vance, former marine fort in Iraq,
study political science and philosophy, always useful philosophy. His book
Hillbilly Elogy, a memoir of a family and culture and crisis,
that was out in twenty sixteen, movie in twenty twenty.
Look it up today. One Ohio in twenty twenty two.
First US Senator from Ohio since Glenn and seventy four

(44:20):
to take office without having any previous government experience. Opposed
as abortion, isn't against same sex marriage. Loves the Wall,
doesn't one aid going to Ukraine. Thinks Ukraine should seed
some territory back to the Russians. Supports funding for Israel.
Thinks people who have kids should have a bigger say
in how democracy functions over non parents. Doesn't like meta
doesn't like TikTok, supports collective bargaining. He's a Catholic now

(44:44):
as of twenty nineteen. Didn't like Trump, was against Trump
in twenty sixteen. Changes tune believes that the election was
stolen in twenty twenty, so you can see why him
and the Donald get on so well together. And he
is your man. So it is a Trump Vance ticket
v Biden and Harris news for you.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Next, demanding the answers from the decision makers. The mic
asking breakfast with Vida, retirement communities, Life your Way news
Tog said been.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Nick Cassidy is on the verge of winning his first
Formula the title the final couple of races in London
this weekend. He's at the home in Monaco at the moment,
but he leads and which evens a second, which gives you,
once again an indication of just how good we are
at this motorsport thing. Anyway, Nick Cassidy is with us
after wait o'clock this morning. Meantime running the country at
the moment is David Seymour, Who's what it's good to
see you morningway. A couple of things. Just before the

(45:33):
news I was mentioning this uber case which has been
in court, and I know you guys are interested in it.
Are you doing something about it? Will you do something
about it or are you going to wait for the
court to rule before you do anything about it.

Speaker 15 (45:45):
Well, Brock van Velden's our Minister for workplace Relations and
she's committed to making it clear that if you want
to be in a contract relationship, you're not going to
have that changed into employment somewhere down the track, because
if you say, look, you know you're signed a contract now,
but it could be turned into employment with all those
obligations later on, basically means contractings meaningless and for a

(46:06):
lot of people, including people and the likes of Uber,
contracting is actually a god send because it allows you
the freedom to choose your own terms.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
So you're saying they're wasting their time in court.

Speaker 15 (46:16):
I certainly would not say that, but I am saying
that we have a government that is committed to the
freedom to contract.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
If the court rules in their favor though, and flips it,
what are you going to do about it?

Speaker 15 (46:27):
Well, we'll have to actually see what the court ruling
said and then decide our next step. Obviously, we respect
the jurisdiction of the courts to make their own calls
and interpret the law as they see fit. But equally,
as an elected government and a parliament, we reserve the
right to ensure that our policies that people voted for
are put in place for New Zealanders to access, including

(46:49):
the freedom to contract.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
All right, So as in your role as the boss
of Farmact today there's an announcement coming, what is it
and where's the tribute white tongue? You fit into it?

Speaker 15 (46:58):
So as the minister, I can write a letter of
expectation to the board. I mean, farmac's actually got its
own board. It's a bit independent, but ministers can write
these letters. And this letter says, look, you guys are
tremendous people. You're very qualified, you do an amazing job.
But over time your culture has become a bit defensive.
We'd like to see you more collaborative with clinicians and
patient groups and vendors of medical technology. It also says

(47:22):
we acknowledge previously that the Minister of Health Eischeverril, said
you must embed the treaty and everything that you do.
My basic message is I know she said that, but
actually if embedding the treaty means that you treat every
single patient exactly the same based on need, then that's
all Carpi. But we don't need to mention it. If

(47:42):
embedding the Treaty means that you're going to treat people
differently based on who their ancestors were hundreds of years ago,
we don't want to know about it. Because we actually
believe in universal human rights.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Will they follow that well?

Speaker 15 (47:54):
They are expected to, the board will be responsible for
upholding the policies of the organization. We have a chair
in Paula Bennett that we appointed last month and she is,
you know, I think, absolutely committed to following the directives
from the Minister and ultimately the Cabinet and government. So yes,

(48:15):
I expect they will.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
In your time as minister, what have you? What isn't
bedding the Treaty in a decision? I mean, you're out
there negotiating with a drug company to buy some pills
or potions or treatments. Where does the Treaty come into that?

Speaker 15 (48:29):
Frankly, I think the reason that we have pylons falling
over and firies crashing into beaches and who knows what
else going on is that we've had enormous emphasis on
the intangible and not enough emphasis on the tangible. If
you look at the case of Transpower, they published very
high minded reports. I think it was something like to

(48:52):
hero Maudi and that's wonderful, But you know what they
needed to do make sure that they screwed the nuts
in at the right time, right.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
So there's no thing actually that you can cite that
far MAK had been doing having embedded the Treaty into
their decision making process, that's manifestly changed anything at all.

Speaker 15 (49:09):
Ultimately, you make a decision do we use the money
we have to fund this treatment or that treatment based
on the maths how many years of life can we save?
I have to say I'm eager to see Farmak take
a more holistic view of how can we save the
taxpayer money with fewer hospital admissions or more people working,
fewer people on benefits and so on, so that they're

(49:30):
taking a wider view. But it's still a mathematical formula
to answer your question in relation to it, Does embedding
the treaty really change something as technical and tangible as
choosing drugs? No, it certainly should not. I can't imagine
how it would. What I do notice is that they've
hired quite a number of people to fulfill this obligation

(49:50):
to the previous government, regardless of whether it's practical. I
expect that the board, led by Paula Bennett, will be
making sure that they're focused on how do we get
the treatments to the sick people as quickly as possible
for the money we have?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Should a few people get sacked in that sense because
you appoint the board, the board do them hiring firing,
and there are people clearly who've been adhering to the
previous administrations edicts that shouldn't be there.

Speaker 15 (50:16):
I hate to seem like I'm weaseling out of it,
but it is actually up to the board. So you know,
I appoint them, I write them a letter. They basically
govern the thing, the chief executive and senior leadership team.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
In appointing the board, do you go, jeez, I'd be astonished,
paul if we don't see a bit of change, What
do you reckon? And Paula goes, I think so too, David.

Speaker 15 (50:35):
Well, if we had had a conversation like that, I
wouldn't be allowed to talk about it. Here would I.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
The bill that you've got, is it a private member's bill?
On the Council and climate change.

Speaker 15 (50:45):
Yeah, so that's Mark Cameron, the hero of rural New
Zealand and Parliament and a tremendous guy. You may have
seen he's had some tough times and it was written
up in the Herald last weekend. But you know, I
think Mark literally believes that every rural New Zealander is
genetically related to him and he will do anything to
stand up for a country. What he's produced as a

(51:07):
member's bill which has to be drawn from the ballot
and so on, but it basically says, look, councils don't
need to be considering climate messes under the rama because
we have a thing called the emissions Trading scheme. If
you want to emit carbon dioxide you can, but there's
a cap number of units that you've got to buy,
and if you admit too many, of the price goes up.
So deal with it that way. Duplication by councils just

(51:28):
means more bureaucracy and boxity's one thing New Zealand ain't
shut off.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
So you've got to get it out of the ballot.
If you get it out of the ballot, do you
have the numbers of you canvas that at all or not.

Speaker 15 (51:36):
Look, I don't know where Mark's up to and doing that,
but I suspect that you'd expect you'd get pretty good
support from New Zealand VERSUSA National, and that's a majority.
But I can't speak for them right now.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
You mentioned Fairies, how protracted and I know you won't
answer this because you seem super tense about it. How
protracted are the discussions with the Koreans about getting out
of that thing?

Speaker 13 (51:57):
Well you had it right before.

Speaker 15 (52:01):
Well look, I mean, in fairness, you know we've got
some officials who are there playing cards on behalf of
the New Zealand tax bar with hundreds of millions of
dollars at stake. So I'm not going to sit there
and tell the world what I don't.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Want you to. But the writing was that the paperwork
came out at about the same time from Treasury saying
you've got to be careful about this, at about the
same time Nicol had signed it wasn't on. Is it
possible we will end up, whether you agree with the
decision or not, we will end up paying as much,
if not more to get out plus buy new Fairies
than we would have by simply carrying on.

Speaker 13 (52:31):
Not at all.

Speaker 15 (52:32):
There's a couple of issues that need to be added
to that listening. Number one is that the harbor Master
at Marlborough said that we're not going to let these
fairies because they're too wide to go through the Tory channel.
So that's the first thing that you just you actually
can't make this stuff up. I mean, I know people
don't like us begging the previous government and they want
to know what we're going to do now, But can
I just say to your listeners, the previous government wanted

(52:54):
to buy fairies that the harbor master would not let
doc at the place that they were brought to go
to being picked In number two. They also hadn't figured
out how they were going to get the trains on
and off. They didn't have a price for that, and
it started off at a few hundred million. By the
time the good people of New Zealand voted them out

(53:15):
it was up to three point two billion. And had
they won another another term, I suspect they would have
got to the stage where it would have actually been
cheaper just to build a rail tunnel between the two
islands instead of what they Having.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Read the paperwork between Kiwi Rail and the government. How
incompetent is Kiwi Rail to say this is the final number, grant,
don't worry about it, and then go WAPs it's billions
of dollars more. I mean that's on them, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (53:40):
Well, let me just divide it up. I mean, when
it comes to running a train service, I don't think
they're that bad.

Speaker 13 (53:45):
But that's the thing.

Speaker 15 (53:46):
It's Kiwi Rail, It's not ki We build a port
and once they once they tried to get into the
port building business, turned out they were pretty incompetent. I mean,
if if you wanted on a one to ten, I'd
probably give you about eleven because they just weren't set
up to do that. And as I say, they spent
so much money trying to work out how to get

(54:08):
trains to drive off the land across earthquake prone land
onto a boat that you know, like I say, they
should have just started doing a tunnel exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
You enjoying this by the way, this Peme, not this specifically,
but you know the running the country thing.

Speaker 15 (54:21):
Well, I'm a libertarian, so one of the worst things
that could happen to me is I could actually become
the government I just want to point out I don't
actually think I'm running the country. Five point three million
New Zealanders running the country. We're running the government. And
that's just one organization in this country that I think
is far too large. It's up to everyone else to
get on and make the most of their lives in

(54:41):
this beautiful country.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Nice to see you, David Seymore getting Prime minister fourteen
to two costing breakfast eleven away from from Joe Biden's account,
not the President's acount, Joe Biden's account. Here's the deal.
Here's the deal about j D Barnt. He talks a
big game about working people, but now he and Trump
want to raise taxes on middle class families while pushing
a text cuts for the rich. Well, I don't intend

(55:02):
to let them, and if you're with me, pitch in.
He's got to walk a very very careful line in
the next couple of days. Meantime, on the floor, he
is Trump Junior.

Speaker 16 (55:12):
Just some shock, but a lot of resolve. He was
able to He was joking about it and talking about
it in a way that only my father could do.
But it was just that moment when he stood up
after being shot at and just showed resolve to keep
fighting for this country. That was everything for me. I
just literally told him, I go, you're the biggest badass
I know.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
And he is another Trump.

Speaker 13 (55:32):
You know, under Donald Trump.

Speaker 16 (55:33):
We actually had cheerleader in this country. We won't have
cheerleader anymore.

Speaker 13 (55:35):
We didn't even have leadership.

Speaker 16 (55:36):
I mean, if the people aren't around, they're not president.

Speaker 13 (55:39):
The policy suck.

Speaker 16 (55:41):
We're gonna win this thing. Made no mistake about it.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
How brilliant was David Seymour, Mike, that seamour makes some sense.
How refreshing was David. There's still hope for us all well, Mike,
that was a great statement. Five point three million New
Zealanders running a country. I like that, Mike. If we
get only find another one hundred and nineteen. David Seymour's
just quickly. I didn't have time because it was his patch,
but we ran out. You know about Smith and Coey
in Auckland, retail retailers and the doldrums in this country.
But yesterday in his particular area, Newmarket's an area within

(56:07):
his area. He's the MP for EPSOM, of course, but
new Markets within the EPSOM electorate Sportscraft going area fifty
one going Smith and Coey's going SPQR Ponsonby going Sephora
Downtown Auckland going. I mean you've got to ask yourself
how ugly does it need to get before somebody somewhere

(56:27):
pulls a trigger on interest rates. Speaking of which, more
on that in the moment. Eleven away from eight my.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
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Speaker 2 (56:37):
Six away from another business story from the capital, this
time yesterday it was Cranfield's, of course, in this crap
of the council today it's the called of the appeal.
They found Wellington Council followed the wrong processes when changing
angled car parks to parallel one thissman going on for
a long time in Thornton Key. The result fewer car parks,
of course. Chairmen of the Thornton Key Collector Paul Robinson
is well, there's Paul, very good morning to you. Good life,

(56:57):
so a nice one in the court. But they don't
instruct anything. So, in other words, the council don't have
to do anything. Do you think they will.

Speaker 22 (57:04):
Well, we're hopeful that they will agree to carry out
an independent review of their decision making processes.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
The problem was the problem was they had public consultation,
and all that proves is that they don't care about
public consultation because they went ahead and did what they
want to do anyway, didn't.

Speaker 22 (57:20):
They Well they did, they did. And you know, we
have sort of three areas of real concerned. I mean,
the firstly is the safety data they relied on seemed
to be heavily skewed. Secondly, they declined our petition back
in twenty twenty one to have an economic assessment carried

(57:43):
out of the impact of business. And thirdly, we've had
this issue come up with the one hundred and ten
year old pipes underneath the underneath this very expensive infrastructure
they're building, and it just seems to be in complete
out of unwillingness look at it. Whether that's an issue
or not. Are they incompetent, Well, they've demonstrated in competence.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Should it ever have got to court, I mean, for
God's sake, it's just the councilors and cowpas. Why does
it end up in court?

Speaker 22 (58:16):
That's a depressing thought. Mic. Back in twenty twelve, we
had this wonderful interaction with counsel where we agreed that
it would be sensible to introduce the seven to nine
clearweight going into town and that reduced the incident rate
by fifty percent. And there's been no efforts since. Let's
kept willing to moving come along, It's just been this

(58:36):
refusal to consider perhaps, say, for instance, introducing a four
to six clear way coming out of town in the night.
They could have resolved all these safety issues with a
few tens of thousands of dollars, not fifty eight million dollars.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
It's unbelievable, isn't it. Well, go well with it, Paul,
and I hope the meeting goes well, and I hope
they acquiesce and they apologize and actually sort the problem out.
Paul Robinson is with the thorlned and Key Collective chairman.
Should we sit aside team to wait each morning to
do the dumb things Wellington Council's done over the last
couple of years.

Speaker 13 (59:06):
So we need a whole show today.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Can't get why I limited to teen to eight. Nick Cassidy,
he's on the verge of something brilliant in London this weekend.
He's currently at home in Monaco. Ugh Life Nick Cassidy
Formula E After the News, which is next.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
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Speaker 2 (59:33):
Plast Day justin. By the way, the House Overside Committee
Chair James Comer, as opposed to Komi, has officially scheduled
a hearing on July twenty two over the attempt at assassination
of Donald Trumpet's entitle overside of the US Secret Service
and the attempt at assassination of President Donald J. Trump.
Coma says that the Secret Service Director Kierley Cheatle will
be a witness at the committee's hearing, among others, so

(59:54):
we will keep you posted on that when time comes.
Simmer minutes past eight, as I say, Formula E seasonal
wraps up this week in London or weekend at least
in London like Indy, as we've been enjoying the last
couple of days. Dixon, McLachlan, Armstrong. You see them magnificently
represented in the formulae. Nick Cassidy and Mitch Evans are
currently one and two. So a good weekend in the
title is ours basically anyway. Nick Cassidy is with us

(01:00:16):
from his home in Monica.

Speaker 7 (01:00:17):
Morning to you, good morning to you. How you feeling me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Not at all? Great pleasure. How are you feeling heading
into this weekend?

Speaker 9 (01:00:25):
I'm looking forward to it. It's the second year for
me going into the final weekend with a chance and
really a motorsport, that's what you can ask for.

Speaker 7 (01:00:36):
So I'm pretty pumped.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
And Portland take us through it, because you could have
done it, it didn't happen. Does that sit heavily on
your shoulders or not?

Speaker 9 (01:00:47):
Alright, Look, it's never nice, you know. It's one of
those weekends you walk away and go fire out. Did
that really happen? But sometimes that's part of the game,
and it's made my life probably a bit more difficult
than it needs to be going into London. But the
job aheads still still the same job, and I think
we can still get it done.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Take us through the season. For those who don't follow formularee.
You've got your partner, your team and all that sort
of stuff. How's the season gone for you? Obviously? Well,
but take us through it in a bit more detail.

Speaker 9 (01:01:18):
Yeah, it's my first year joining j U TCS racing
major manufacturer with inform Marie, so it's been a pretty
big deal for me. And the season has been been
really really good. You know, we've had a fair bit
of success where we're leaving the championship now until last race,
and you know, it's it's nice until this point, but
obviously I'd like to be saying the same thing in

(01:01:41):
a week's time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
What's the title mean to you?

Speaker 17 (01:01:46):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:01:46):
Well, a lot as what we all what we all
dream for and aimed for. But look, what happens is
whatever happens happens, right, So that's mot sport and we'll
give it up shot, but there's there's there's more things
in life as well if it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
And of course your your your teammate is sort of
up the top there with you. What what are the
riding instructions going into the final weekend when it comes
to you know, getting tough on the corners and racing
and all of that.

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
I guess just just fair hard racing man, to be honest.
It's it's been that way certainly the last couple of
races and probably going to got to continue.

Speaker 7 (01:02:30):
But but that's part of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Do we we get excited here obviously excuse me about
New Zealand success, but but does the rest of the
world I mean the fact that we've got two Kiwi's
right up there in formula, you've got Scottie mac and
Dixon and Armstrong, and the Indies and the States. You've
got Liam testing in F one and RB twenty of gods,
I mean, what what a great story for a tiny
country is Is the world cognizant of that?

Speaker 9 (01:02:55):
To be honest, to be honest, it's unbelievable, right, I
mean in New Zealand where we're of it. A lot
of interviews that they mentioned myself do inform Marie and.

Speaker 7 (01:03:06):
In the media talking about.

Speaker 9 (01:03:08):
That, so everyone's aware and it's it's super damn cool
for a small country like house exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
You following Scotty Mack over the weekend.

Speaker 9 (01:03:17):
I'm watching the watching the IndyCar race right now and
they're both they're both at the front, which is mega
to see.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Listen, just hold on, Nick, we'll come back to you.
In my mind, took a bit more about Liam and
this coming weekend. I'll give you all the details on
the formulae this weekend. What's required points wise, because a
number of people could actually win despite the fact that
Nick is number one anyway more in the moment eleven past.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Eight, the Mike Hosking breakfasts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
They're becoming a fourteen past eight Nick Cassidy with us
out of Monaco ahead of this weekend's final two races
and the formula and Racism, which of course he can
seal the title. Anyway, Listen, before I forget Nick, you're associated,
we should explain this with Red Bull and Red Bull
have got Liam of course, And I mean when you're
looking at lean, what's it like waiting, you know, for
a driver, or or maybe not having a drive, or

(01:04:01):
maybe there's politics, maybe there's an agenda. What's it like
being in that situation.

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
I've never really been in that situation myself, I must say,
But yeah, watching with interest for him, I guess, like
the rest of us, hoping that he is in a
seat soon he obviously deserves to be. And when that happens,
and hopefully that happens, I'm sure you're to a mega job.
So looking forward to them being in full time and

(01:04:29):
showing what he can do on a more permanent basis.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
A Red Bull of good operation. As far as you're concerned.

Speaker 9 (01:04:36):
You you can't doubt them, right with all the success
that they've had as a brand firstly and then secondly
as a race team is pretty damn impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
As far as formula is concerned. That talk me through
the evolution of it, because I mean, when you think
about I would have said it was six or seven
years old, and it's actually coming up to ten years old.
How have the cars evolved? The technology, the driver ability
and all of that.

Speaker 9 (01:05:03):
To be honest, Mike, I'm still quite new. I mean
I'm four years and now up coming into my full season. Yeah,
it's crazy to think that it is ten years old
for a sport. Though ten years is quite a short time.
It is quite a young young sports. Still, the cars

(01:05:23):
have changed massively across that time. You know, the powers
basically doubled, the regeneration, the links of the races. We're
going to use one car now, which I think is
much better from a viewing perspective, a racing format. But
the future, to be honest, the next couple of years

(01:05:45):
is going to be going to be quite exciting. Next
year is full will drive on your full power mode.
Three years time, you've got better tires, better aerodynamics and
like over a thousand horse par basically coming. So I think, Yeah,
the cars, you know, in a few years time will
be quite impressive from a speed point of view, and

(01:06:06):
I hope that that translates to being able to be
able to see that when watching on TV, etc.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
So you're still arguing that the curve in terms of
technology is exponential. In other words, each year brings something
dramatic and new and improved.

Speaker 9 (01:06:24):
Yeah, I mean, I'm still I'm still a full on
motorsport lover, you know, like I watch Full One, I
watch watch Indy Car as a car, any any motorsport
I can. But obviously being part of Ponrie can can
see that that development coming and that's quite exciting as well,
and especially I think from a the purest performance point

(01:06:47):
of view, to be that quick and knowing that that's
around the corner, I think it's quite exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Hey, did you get Auto Sport named you the eighth
best driver of twenty twenty three year?

Speaker 9 (01:06:57):
Up with that, that was pretty cool. Obviously you want
the World Championship next to your name, right, And we'll
close last year, so let's see.

Speaker 7 (01:07:09):
Let's see what happens next weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
And what about the weather in London. I'm told there's
a heat wave coming and obviously you're having a very
warm summer in your particular part of the world at
the moment. Does any of that make any difference at
all or not?

Speaker 9 (01:07:21):
That's the first I must say, that's the first bit
of weather information I've had.

Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
I've just assumed UK, UK, London, we're going to have everything.
So let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Apparently it's apparently it's going to be high twenties, So listen.
All we can do is wish you all the very
best for the weekend. Hope it goes well. It's obviously
been a wonderful season, and we continue to follow you
with a great deal of interest on this side of
the world. But the very very best of luck.

Speaker 7 (01:07:45):
Thanks very much, much appreciated.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
All Right, we'll talk to Nick Cassidy out of Monica
for us this morning. By the way, the Texas just
said Mike, there are four keys in the top twenty.
There are two different rankings. I'll run you through the
rankings in just a couple of moments, because we're featured
extremely highly as regards the points I promised. So Nick's
currently sitting first one hundred and sixty seven. Mitch Evans
as one hundred and fifty five, so one and two

(01:08:09):
wordline or verline is one hundred and fifty five as well,
along with Mitch, and then you go back to DaCosta,
who's one hundred and thirty four. The significance of that
is that you get twenty five for a win top
ten places all score points twenty five, eighteen fifteen, twelve
to ten, et cetera, down to one point for coming tenth.
So in theory there are six, maybe seven the top
six maybe seven have a chance of winning it all

(01:08:31):
this weekend, so it's all to play for. But Nick Cassidy,
for obvious reasons, goes in as favorite and we wish
them well. Nineteen pasted the.

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the Auto sport I was referring to with Nick he's
ranked eighth best driver in the world. The number one
is for stappin Lando Norris's three Hamilton's six, Nick Cassidy eight.
I mean you're in fantastic company there. But then we've
got the driver dB top one one hundred that the
text was referring to. So we've got a lot of
New Zealanders in this particular rud. There's five of them
in fact, in the top one hundred. Once again for

(01:10:08):
stappens at the top as you would expect, but Scott
Dixon comes in at nine. They've got Shane Bean Gisberg
and interestingly at eleven, Mitch Evans is sixteen. Scott McLaughlin's
twenty neck won't be happy, he's only twenty eighth, and
we've got Liam Lawson at ninety three. It's not done
a lot of racing so far this year for obvious reasons,
although that with the next couple of Grand Prix and
the summer break coming that might be about to change.

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Mike regards the greens apparent lack of interest in pursuing
the walker jumping option to ours Tana. Not forcing this
issue appears to have no negative impact on their pole support,
according to the latest Curier poll. A lot of people
making that point, and it's a fair point to make,
because they haven't they seem to oscillate between twelve and
thirteen percent. But here's the major problem for them. You
may be right, they may be one of those parties

(01:10:51):
where all the people who support them just couldn't care
less about what goes. He You can bag of ons
and crooks and you know, waywould waves and strays, and
they don't care. It's the idea their voting. But what
Chloe wants, I think delusionally, and what she speaks up
very publicly, is she believes the Greens can overtake the
Labour Party as the voice of the left and other words,
become She says they're going to be the major party

(01:11:11):
of the left. They will never be that. They can
never be that if they continue to behave the way
they are. My two reasons retail downturn are both involving
the government. One allowing China to flood our market with
cheap goods by a TEAMU. Let me come back to that,
because you're wrong. Two failure to address law and order,
making it unsafe to be a retailer. Ramrads Glenn that
parts I would like to think is getting better. But

(01:11:33):
I take your point. The first point, the government has
nothing to do with Timu. The government is not in
the business of going to Timu or you on TikTok,
or you on Facebook, or you anywhere online and saying
no you can. It's like saying, well, we're only going
to open trade me between twelve and two, so you
can go down to a bricks and watshop. They don't
do that. Governments don't dictate where the team is allowed

(01:11:54):
to operate. Team is international. But you're right to the
extent that if you're looking at the spending and the
spending number, along with the inflation numbers, along with the
most importantly the GDP numbers that came out the other day,
where the expenditure was, and if you looked at the
expenditure we were doing, it was an area's offshore. And
everyone went, we'll hold on. Suddenly all this money's going

(01:12:14):
off shore. Where was it? They drilled down and the
answers TEAMU and all of those other allegedly, we're saving
the planet and the world, and we don't like slave labor,
and we don't like buying cheap crap from overseas. Not true.
We love it. We can't get enough of it. So
it is true to that extent. But the government's never
going to allow it or not allowed it, because that
unfortunately is not how it works. By the way, just

(01:12:37):
to bring you up to speed on a little fun
thing that's happening in Australia. They've got a lot of
problems here of course, in the media, in the mainstream
media in terms of television at the moment. You'll be
well aware of it and use Hub's demise and stuff
picking that up and running with it, and TV one
or TV ins losing money hand over fist, they've got
the same troubles in Australia. So basically, as far as
I can work out, seven, nine and ten are all

(01:12:58):
laying off people and have been laying off people brighton Center.
They've all got ratings problems, none of the programs right
the way they used to because we're all watching television
in other forms and ways and means television Channel seven
has the answer as far as their news is concerned,
and how long can it be before they do it
and we'll see it here on either one or stuff
one or the other. So as of last night they've
got a couple well that Friday was their first new

(01:13:19):
segment at three minutes away from seven just before the
end of the bulletin, they have a comedy slot, so
they've got a comedian coming in with three minutes of funnies.
And the moment you say anything's going to be funny,
You've just shot yourself on the foot because it never is.
And of course you can imagine what happened on Friday
in terms of the reviews, but last night was there
was their master's stroke and no one's thought of this.
And what they're doing is astro Tash. Astrotash is a

(01:13:42):
person called Natasha Webber. So what they're featuring in the
in the main news bulletin on Channel seven as of
last night is horoscopes. So they've got a little funny
on Friday just to finish the week, and then they've
got a regular horoscope section because news is more than
about well news.

Speaker 13 (01:14:01):
I'd rather that though, than three sections of weather.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
See that's why they're onto it, Glynn. Not everyone's a
visionary like your good self and Channel seven News for
you next, and then we'll go to rod in Britain
here on the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. The
Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real estate doing real estate
differently since nineteen seventy three news togs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Had been Monnie Michael looked at Fox Club Farm yesterday.
Just beautiful. That's a bit of you and Kate I thought,
Ross you could. I couldn't agree with you more. Absolutely delightful.
If you missed it, we were talking about a place
that was for sale next to Jeremy Clarkson House this
time yesterday, Mike, great show. Just to let you know,
we also have a new world champion, Levi Townley, are
competing in the FAM World Motocross event over the weekend,
follow Bundy Kevan Hoven who's finished second in the class

(01:14:49):
as well. We're the only country with two on the podium.
Over three hundred from around the world competed in these titles,
so that's good to know as well. Twenty three to.

Speaker 19 (01:14:56):
Nine International correspondence with ends and I insure peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Well yeah, UK bound, Rob Littlebury, money to you.

Speaker 11 (01:15:04):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Mate, And since we have last talked and having had
a week's holiday, I haven't had a chance to disssect
the election, which was pretty much as you called it. It
was like having seen that just quickly on the MMP
thing versus FPP. Look at the number of seats they
got versus the thirty seven percent of the vote. There's
something wrong with that system, isn't there.

Speaker 11 (01:15:23):
There's something totally wrong with the system. I mean it's
it's no one Wi grutt its labor a victory. Everybody
was sick of the Conservative Party, even quite a lot
of Conservatives as it happens. But to get that number
of seats, you know, this massive, massive majority on a
lower proportion of the vote than Jeremy Corbyn got in

(01:15:46):
twenty seventeen, it's bizarre. I mean it's bizarre. And the
Liberal Democrats, you know, they get seventy odd seats with
fourteen percent of the vote. I think Reform got either
thirteen fifteen I forget now and ended up with five.
I mean, it is an absurdity. First past the post
works when there's just two parties in it. It doesn't

(01:16:09):
work when there's a multiplicity of parties.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Now, as regards the Tories, what do they do now?
Brushy's gone, of course of going and so where do
they go? Who do they pick? How does that process work?
And how long does it take?

Speaker 11 (01:16:22):
I've been talking to quite a few of them. There's
quite a few, both defenestrated Conservative MPs and ones who
have been re elected who think they need to make
an accommodation with the Reform Party, and this would be
along the lines of an alliance of the right, as
the sophologist Matthew Goodwin has put it, a historic realignment,

(01:16:43):
so that suddenly the Conservative Party and Reform are as
one and are pushed out a bit to the margins,
but with an awful lot of popular vote. Then there
are the one nation Tories. Now, I don't think they
have a lect to stand on because there is very
little clear blue water between what they argue for and
what the Labor Party argues for. And whilst they say,

(01:17:06):
you know, the Tory Party has always had its best
when it's a one nation party from the center that
is not bought out by the electoral statistics, because Tory
parties which have come from the right of one in
seventy nine, eighty three, eighty seven, twenty nineteen and very
rarely win from the center because they need those working
class votes. So at the moment, where are we with

(01:17:28):
the Conservative leadership. Nobody is looking forward to the Conservative
leadership election because it will usually be a bitch fest
and nasty and remind us all of the people who
used to run us. But Kenny Badernock is out in
front of the moment. There's a strong showing from Tom Tuganhat,

(01:17:49):
who is kind of liberal but quite open minded. There's
also a fairly strong showing from Suella Brabman, but she
doesn't play well for some reason with the public. I
think if there was a vote tomorrow, the right would
win it. The thing is that the person who's at
the front in a Tory leadership contest never actually wins,

(01:18:10):
so that's something kemy ort to be beware of.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Now. I've been doing a lot of reading about this
new government of yours, and they've got eight key plans apparently,
including finding cash for windpower and helping first buyers into
the housing market and all sorts of They're going to
let some people out of jail. Are they in a
honeymoon A two part question. One can they do all
of this? Two? Are they in a honeymoon period?

Speaker 11 (01:18:31):
I think they're probably can do quite a bit of it,
And yes, they're in a honeymoon period that I would
suggest for a year or two. You know, this is
going to be a long honeymoon period. So for example,
today we had announced a massive light transit system for Leeds.
Leeds is the only country of its it's the only

(01:18:51):
city of its size in Europe which doesn't have a
mass transit system. You know, it's a really important city.
It's up in the north of England, just ab and
it deserves a mass transit system and that has now
been announced. It will be a tram which will go
to Bradford, take you down to Kirkleas and so on.
And that's really what leveling up should have been about

(01:19:13):
but never was. So that's a huge markup for the
Labor Party there. I think they've got to get at
grips with energy. I think they've got to build a
few nuclear power stations and I think they can do that.
We're already hearing very good things from west Street in
who is the Labor Health spokesman. Are properly reforming the

(01:19:35):
NHS in a way that the Toys kind of couldn't
get away with. And he's also said that puberty blockers
will continue to be banned for people under the age
of eighteen. All of this plays very well with the public.
I've got to say, I think the holleymoon will be
a longish one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Quick word on the football yesterday. This time yesterday, I
didn't think they looked likely in the game at all.
Really to Southgate go what happens now?

Speaker 11 (01:20:01):
My guess is Southgate won't go, which will annoy an
awful lot of people, but not his friends in the
sporting sections of the media. He's been found wanting at
every time England have come up against a very good team. Now,
most people would be found out coming up against Spain,
Spain with the deserved winners, and there's no question about that.

(01:20:21):
But England waited until the seventy fifth minutes before they attacked,
and you know that's been the story of his entire regime.
I think the best possible option is he gets knighted,
everyone says thank you very very much and he goes.
If possible, If that could happen, I would be a

(01:20:43):
happy man.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Well we're after that, Rod go, Well we'll see Thursday.
Rod a little out of Britain. By the way, my
reference to the eight key plan is pretty good piece
by the BBC comprehensive piece the other day as to
what their key plans are and how achievable or not
they are. They've got the asylum seeker backlog, they've got
people in the first time. As I mentioned, water bills
is a major issue, but this prisoner release thing fascinates me.

(01:21:05):
Thousands of them are going to be released early as
of the start of September. Mahmood Sabana mum Mud is
the new Justice secretary. Total collapse of the prison system
and you always read into a little bit of that,
of course what they want you to hear, because it's politics.
But they're claiming a total collapse of the prison system,
total breakdown of law and order without urgent action to
ease the prison overcrowding. Under the plan, prisoners will be

(01:21:28):
released after they have served forty percent of their sentence
in England and Wales rather than the regular fifty percent,
so more people back on the streets. So it will
be interesting to see how that plays. Sixteen to two
the myke costing breakfast, but ting away from mine, do
we forget the King and the Queen for not coming here.
They're going to Australia, going to Sama. They've got to
go to Sama because if they went to New Zealand

(01:21:49):
and Australia. The Pacific isarlmds are going England, so they
got to go to Australia because they're bigger than us.
They're skipping Melbourne. They're scaled down in Australia, Canberra, Sydney,
only keepping Melbourne before going off to the Chogger meeting
in summer. So I suppose I suppose we forgive them
poll out by the way, it was done July second,
so a little time ago when JD Vance was the

(01:22:11):
whisper so see and in conduct of the poll, and
they asked the question whether people like jd vancetow this
was Republican or Republican leaning voters, do you like JD Vance?
Twenty three percent had a favorable view, eight percent had
an unfavorable view. Not surprisingly, perhaps fifty percent had never
heard of him because he's just from a state, and

(01:22:32):
generally speaking, people don't follow a great deal about what's
going on in the state unless they live in the state.
So fifty percent had never heard of them. So he's
got a chance to win. His wave might recommend the book,
so hey, reading a book, you'll love me never heard
of him, but didn't had heard of him but never
had an opinion nineteen so between never heard of him,
plus heard of him but didn't have an opinion. That's

(01:22:52):
sixty nine percent. So he's got a little bit of
work to do. Exercise for the day if you want to,
if you can be bothered. Herald's going on the story
about the Auckland Transport chief executive Dean Kimpton, who happens
also or happened also to be a director of a
company awarded hundreds of thousands of dollars of eighty contracts.
So there's your story. Wayne Brown gave them the clickbait
they wanted, which he said, it's not a goodlock. So

(01:23:15):
they go, Wayne, what are you reckon about this? Again?
Not a good lock, and so that's your headline. So,
having read the story in totality, so is this guy
this is my does it pass the sniff test? So
the Auckland Transport chief executive, he happens to be the
director of a company. That company's awarded hundreds of thousands
of dollars worth of contracts as far as hundreds of

(01:23:37):
thousands of dollars. The company is called Blue Barn Consulting.
By the way, he was a director between the beginning
of April twenty twenty one and the end of June
this year when he left the job. I suspect when
people started asking questions. Since he began in the top job,
Blue Barn has been awarded twenty contracts worth eight hundred

(01:23:57):
and thirty seven two hundred and ninety three dollars. That's
between April of la last year in January thirty one
of this year. So the question is does it pass
the stifties? Now the important thing, and this is my concern.
It is up to you. But this is part of
the problem with the media these days. They paint a
picture there where there's something a little bit a rye,
And after reading all of this and concluding it's not

(01:24:20):
a rye at all. In fact, at all points in
the story, the fact he was the director of this
particular company, I don't know. This guing from Barasop. By
the way, I'm not defending him, because no, I've never
heard of him, don't know, I don't care. But after
reading the detail of the story, at all points was
the so called conflict of interest. It was declared people

(01:24:41):
knew who he was, they knew he had a directorship,
and there seems to be and I might be open
to correction on this. After leaving Auckland Council in mid
twenty nineteen after six years a Chief Operating Officer, Kempton
worked as a consultant to infrastructure and construction sector. So
in other words, this is his area of expertise and
he appears to have come back into the job. So
the AT job was for a fixed term agreement of

(01:25:03):
eighteen months. So guys at the Auckland Council Chief Operating
Officer leaves, goes back to his old world, which is
infrastructure and construction sectors. He's on the board of this
particular company. He has no financial interest in the company,
by the way, but he's on the board. They then
come up with his AT job for him. So it's
a fixed term for eighteen months. He's on the board,

(01:25:24):
he declares it, all decisions around it are declared. Everybody
knows where they're at. Do we have a scandal? I
call beat up? It's my call on the Herald story today.
It's a beat up. But you read it and make
your own mind up. Nine Away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
All the Mike Costing Breakfast with famis real estate newstalksb.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Depends on how many contracts in total. We're given twenty
out of twenty not good, twenty out of five hundred.
Ok ye're not a bad point. But once again I
read it, read it, make make up your old mind.
Now on the floor, here he comes, here's JD.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Sit it any bell blood?

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
This isn't the singer for singing a one in the world.

Speaker 11 (01:26:08):
That start.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
He's just wondering and he's having people. He's high five
and two. His wife's next to him, looking all American
and good and right crazy am I alone? And saying
that there aren't very many Americans in high office who
have beards. When was the last one? Was it Lincoln

(01:26:31):
red Well?

Speaker 13 (01:26:32):
Apparently Trump famously doesn't like facial hair, which is weird
given both his sons.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Well that's what happens with you say I don't.

Speaker 13 (01:26:41):
So there was a lot of talk biods. There was
a lot of talk that j D wouldn't be in
the running because he's got that he's going to bear.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Could it be that?

Speaker 13 (01:26:48):
But maybe he went him over with his eyeliner?

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
But did he? Is it possible also that the two
sons beards plus JD's beard indicates that the thought that
Trump doesn't like facial here is in fact not true
why and also loves spacial.

Speaker 13 (01:27:01):
We've heard a lot of talk over the last few
hours that he's had ever real come to Jesus as well,
and the lad he thought he was Jesus close call,
This was j J stood for Jesus. Yeah, maybe he's
changed his opinion on a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Heyesus vance from Ohio just checked out he didn't come
across the border from a mental institution, but once he
cleared that, he was all good to go. Also goes
the story. Five minutes away from nine trending.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Now were Chemist Well's keeping Kiwi's healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
All year round. Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman. They're on their
press too. Are currently for Dead Pull and Wo Wolverine,
which is out July twenty five. They did an interview
with an internet personality. I used that word loosely, Ossie Man.
They talked about nicknames and Reynolds says he's got a
nickname because he does he does my party trick.

Speaker 12 (01:27:43):
Well, welcome back to Inside the down Under Actors Studio
Noldsy I'm giving you the Australian nickname this time as well.

Speaker 11 (01:27:49):
Like Reynolds, Noles, nolsy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Unless you've got a nickling with Jacko only Jack.

Speaker 19 (01:27:58):
Nevergart nickname didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
He's pretty good out Well.

Speaker 14 (01:28:02):
I got Casper all the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Time because well because you know me, at a party,
I will a ghost gone.

Speaker 14 (01:28:09):
You know, I will walk in.

Speaker 16 (01:28:10):
Sometimes I've done a party where I walk through the
front door and I just carry on straight out the back.

Speaker 19 (01:28:14):
Can you be technically ghosting if you don't ever turn up?

Speaker 14 (01:28:18):
That's yeah, that's true too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Quality.

Speaker 13 (01:28:22):
It seems like you and and Ryan have got a
lot in common act Ryan. In fact, my nickname for
you had been more like eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
What's there?

Speaker 13 (01:28:29):
Well, it's like the public transport that just never turns.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Up, completely unreliable and never there when you need them.
All words to that effect, Mike, Americans are weird. Look
what a way to win the program. You can't really
argue with that, can you? Middle of the week Back
at six am for the Wednesday morning edition to the
Mike Hosking Breakfast. Will see you then, as always, Happy days, hard.

Speaker 11 (01:28:49):
Don't back love me too.

Speaker 22 (01:28:56):
This time WestEd you are right there all alone.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
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