Full Show Podcast: 17 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're trusted o the news for its entertainment's opinion and
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
A terror fount on the letter of expectation around their attitude,
their defensiveness and the treaty. It is CPI Wednesday. Of
course we as inflation at are we about to change
insulation rules? And could you say fifty grand on a
new bill that you did? Mark Mitchell Duncan web line
it up for the politics Wednesday after right, Richard Arnold
on the convention in Milwaukee, Steve Price out of us,
Spiradia Hosking, Welcome to the middle of the week, seven

(00:32):
past six. Welcome to CPI Wednesday, in fact, the day
in which we find out what happened to inflation in
the June quarter. What's different about this time is the
Reserve Bank last week changed their tune. Until recently. The
misery they've inflicted upon the economy was good news as
far as they were concerned. They were squeezing the for
Jesus out of the place, and this was going to
have the desired effect on inflation. Inflation, remember, needs to

(00:53):
return to two percent on average when they feel it's
a arrived they can start cutting the cash rate. Cutting
the cash rate as the signal that the gargantuan cock
up of an economic experiment is finally coming to a close.
The consensus among the elites who ponder the stuff on
a full time basis is it will have reached about
three and a half percent, maybe a little bit lower.
That would mean a quarterly figure of about zero point

(01:14):
four percent. If you're getting zero point four percent on
an ongoing basis, it's not long before you work it
out that we're back in that one to three percent band. Now,
there are several questions, and indeed a very big issue
lying next to these figures. If the experts are right,
it merely means the cuts might might come late this
year as opposed to next year. But the big part,
the big question, is when a cut comes, maybe two cuts,

(01:36):
what then happens? What profoundly changes to make our lives
less backward and miserable? And the answer, of course is nothing.
This is not a game of jabbing you in the eye,
whereby when you stop jabbing, the pain is over. No,
the pain goes on. A cut or who alleviates the
ongoing misery, but the doer nature and state of the
place doesn't transform overnight into a palm springs like Wonderland.

(01:56):
People don't start hiring and spending and partying. At best,
they stopped bleeding. Even if the number today is a
decent one. We are into this I think for most of,
if not all, of this year, and I reckon into
next year as well. The damage is so great. It's
like Ukraine. The bombing stops good news, but the rebuild,
the work to be done. That's your next story, and
it's a long one.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
News of the world in ninety seconds now.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
It is quite the scene of Milwaukee. If you've been
watching his Tim Scott who didn't get the VP not
of course, Timers tell us to whipping up the crowd.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
On Saturday, the devil came to Pennsylvania holding a rifle,
but an American lion got back up on.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
His feet and.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Tell you what. I watched about eight hours of that yesterday,
and it was like it was like that for eight
long hours. JD. Varanes gave insight into what Trump said
on the phone call.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
He just said, look, I think I'm gonna go see
this country. I think you're the guy who could help
me in the best way. You can help me govern,
and you can help me win. You could help me
in some of these Midwestern states like Pennsylvania, miss again
and so forth.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I'll come back to that interview later. China has a
pollution report out this morning. Guess what not good?

Speaker 6 (03:05):
China accounts for thirty percent of annual global greenhouse gars emission,
and China currently doesn't have any headline targets for any
other greenhouse guards.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
It's apart from CO two.

Speaker 8 (03:17):
So there is slightly concerning.

Speaker 9 (03:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Then several things in Britain. One South Goat's quit the
football so they need a new coach, and the new
coach needs to find a goal scorer to replace Harry Kane.

Speaker 10 (03:26):
We need another goal scorer, like we have this waiting
room need like we've got with Ary to replace him,
and we got that at the moment. We've got some
good talent, but not the sort of talent that scores
the goals that Harry Kane has scored.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
And then two, the new Defense Secretary is launched day
defense review into Britain's military capability.

Speaker 11 (03:44):
The world is changing fast, the threats are growing. In
those circumstances, it's right we take a look at the threats,
the capabilities we need, the state of our armed forces
as well as the money that's available to fund those.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
In three, the scandal arounds Strictly Come Dancing. If you
haven't followed this, there's well there's a scandal around Strictly
Come Dancing where a bloke called the Palmer are left
the show because he treated contestants are badly allegedly anyway,
BBC have got new rules.

Speaker 12 (04:08):
It says that there will be a production team member
present during training room rehearsals at all times. They're also
going to create two new roles, a celebrity welfare producer
and a professional dancer welfare producer.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Ian the BBC could come up with that. Finally, Biscuit
news frits each an average of three biscuits a day,
so we've got a new survey that shows the three
worst biscuits are, perhaps unsurprisingly, Figure Rolls, the pink wafers
because they're disgusting and rich Tea biscuits, and another special
award went to Gobaldi's. They're the ones with the meshed

(04:42):
up raisins and sultanas Between the two thin crackers and
food scientists from London and the Netherlands have actually looked
into the best biscuit to have with a cup of tea,
and it's earthy oat based biscuits such as digestives or
indeed hob knobs, and that as used the world in
ninety seconds. I am f by the way, speaking of Britain,
we seem to have a fascination with Britain. They upgraded
again go the Labor Party raise the UK growth forecast

(05:04):
to zero point seven percent for the year. This is
on the back of a string of upgrades. Gold and
Sacks came in a week or so back and they
increased their forecast by zero point one percent up. UK
inflation has already arrived at the two percent in May,
leading to the fact that they're probably going to cut shortly.
So things economically speaking, much to Rishi's chagrin, seem to

(05:26):
be coming right. Twelve past six, The make Costing Breakfast
is that the Democrats need Richard Ardeler had more on this,
butause if the Democrats need more bad news, Bob and
Nendez unsurprisingly but nevertheless, they need this like a hole
in the head. He's the New York Senator, New Jersey
Senator accused by New York of a whole bunch of things,
including bribery, fraud, acting as a foreign agent, obstruction, sixteen

(05:47):
federal charges. Guilty this morning on each and every single
one of them. Fifteen past money can now form Devin
Funds Management. Greg Smith is with us this Wednesday morning. Morning, Mate, Morning, Mike,
doing some of the regular this morning. It's all good news,
isn't it. Morgan Stanley, Bank of America. They've also to
come to the party, haven't they.

Speaker 13 (06:07):
Oh, it's all great news. So the use markets is
surged once again. This time it's not led by the
technology sector. It's all about the bank. So it downs
up over six hundred points. It's a new record high
and older economy stocks to the fore. So you common's
exits at a record high. Use They reported a one
hundred and fifty percent increase in it think quarter inning, sir,
and about three billion dollars. What's driving this? It's them

(06:28):
in a activity in some banking revenues are surging. Menagement
said that the deal backlog was up significantly so and
overnight that good news has continued. Similar theme. Like Bank
of America, those shares are up over five percent better
than expected results, rising stock markets are boring asset management fees.
And the other interesting thing as well is that there
are net interest margins. That's a difference between what they

(06:49):
earn from borrows and paid the depositis that's been under
a bit of pressure, but they expect that to improve.
It's a little bit odd considerances, so it's going to
be following more than Stanley. They also joined in on
the act. Those shares edged up also a record high.
Bit of a theme there again, it was an investment banking,
so yeah, confidence on all streets helping to drive profits.
They are up by forty one percent to three point
one billion dollars, revenues up twelve percent to sixteen billion dollars.

(07:12):
Other old fashion names also doing well, so United Health
that's a mega health insurance giant. They rallied around five
percent better than expected earnings and they also raised their guidance.
But yeah, are we seeing a bit of a rotation.
Maybe it's a a little bit early to say there,
but the nas that actually closed lower AC and P
five hundred they had another record, but most members of

(07:33):
the Magnificent seven were weaker. So yeah, maybe you're investors
looking for better than elsewhere after surge AI names, let's let's.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
See, okay, and then we come to Trump and you've
got to say, he's got momentum of nothing else. So
if you lock him in in November, what are we
thinking about that?

Speaker 13 (07:49):
Yeah, so the Trump trade, I suppose is you know,
as alive and well after the assassination attempt. So yeah,
there's a few things to look at here, but yeah,
obviously there is momentum.

Speaker 14 (07:58):
He said.

Speaker 13 (07:59):
Some good news of course of Florida Jojes dismissed the
classified documents case. And it's good as nearly four decades
younger running mate, she has many of its views, So
you know, that's sort of providing a bit of a
momentum to all things Trump. So you've got energy stocks
are being on the rise, so all services companies are
on the up. Republicans obviously have a positive leaning towards
energy drilling, but not so much renewable number of solar

(08:23):
companies under a quite a bit of pressure. You stay
sort of that flatter today. And also firearms manufacturers, you know,
very much pro that sectors, the Smith and Wesson, that's
up around about ten percent over the past two days. Also,
you look at smaller companies, with a couple of notes
floating around Mike saying that they did pretty well after
his last victory. So the rustle two thousand and that's

(08:43):
at its highest level since late twenty twenty one, up
over two and a half percent overnight. It's up over
ten percent over the past months. But maybe is there
something else driving us? I mean, she is of Trump's
media company actually down almost ten percent overnight. The more
about the seed, maybe it's that you know, we're pub
the head obviously Jeron Poell come out and say they
don't need the senslation hit two percent before they start

(09:06):
cutting rates. The odds of a rate cut in September,
MIC is now being assigned one hundred percent probabilities that's
being locked in, and there's actually a ten percent chance
according to futures, that we might even get a fifty
bits cut. So that's quite a change around. So I
think that's probably a lot of what's driving. It's the
soft landing scenario. You prap Palell talked about that and

(09:26):
that also continued in terms of data overnight. It's the
US retail sales. They came in better they've expected flat
in June. Maybe not all about Trump. Perhaps a coincidence,
but certainly will have implications alone.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
In there right, I need some numbers, please, no problems to.

Speaker 13 (09:41):
The doubt is up one point six percent. It's a
new record forty eight to seven five recent people I
have had a point three percent five six four six
that's also a record. And Nasak on the back foo
once down point two percent eighteen four to nine, foot
seed down point two percent in the UK, Nikke up
point two percent in Japan for one two seven five
A six two hundred down point two percent in the

(10:03):
fifty yeipe we hit a seventeen month high, so half
percent twelve one eighty four. I've also had a number
of good news. Might the GDT auction overnight after last
time's four that was upset was good news? Come on
these markets I've alwise got on up forty one dollars
so trumps scenes inflation as well, if nothing else. Oil
that was down seventy four cents eighty one spots seven

(10:26):
seven currency markets key we down against slightly against the U.

Speaker 14 (10:29):
S sixty point sixty six point.

Speaker 13 (10:31):
Four and eighty nine point eight against the A dollar
forty six points six against Stirling and the head today
is that the news is going to be the dream
quarter inflation. So we're looking for step down from four
percent of March to three point six percent. That's what
abend reckons might end LA.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Thank you go well man, all right, we'll catch up.
So I appreciate it very much. Greg Smith, Devin Funds Management,
PASKPSE reasonable beat the earnings estimates. They're expecting organic growth
of four percent. How much does he drink? Do we buy?
Twenty two? This is for the quarter twenty two point
five billion dollars worth. Unrelay Samsung by the way, there
into AI. They liked the look of AI. They reckon

(11:08):
they're going to see a profit jump of more than
fourteen hundred I'll say it differently, one thousand, four hundred
percent jump in their profit due to AI. Unrelated six
twenty one Here at us Talk CMB.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
The Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, I watched most of the convention yesterday Milwaukee.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
J D.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Barns gave his first interview post the nomination nod to
Sean Hannity, so he was never going to get grilled
per se, but he did answer the question the obvious
questions about what he'd said to about Trump back in sixteen.
He gave the best answer he could, really the only
answer he could, and that was I was wrong. I
didn't like him. I now do. I saw him as
a president. He did a good job as a president.
I am on his side. He did say this a
week ago, which has caused consternation in Britain.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
One of the big dangers in the court and the world,
of course, is nuclear proliferation. That of course the Biden
administration doesn't care about it. And I was talking about,
you know, what is the first truly Islamist country that
will get a nuclear weapon? And we were like, maybe
it's Iran, you know, maybe Pakistan already kind of counts,
and then we sort of finally decided maybe it's actually
the UK since labor just took over.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
So that's ig and they're going to have to deal
with stuff like that. And then of course somebody said
this morning, God helped Ukraine because he is not remotely interested,
nor indeed is Trump, of course being an isolationist in
funding any more of that particular war. So they've got
problems there and that will all unfold. But more from
Richard Arnold shortly six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
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Speaker 2 (12:34):
We've got a couple of things going on in the States.
One of them, of course, is the convention. The other
is and you should I'll come back to the Trump thing.
When Trump walked in yesterday, you had to see it
to believe it. It was unreal anyway, That is aside
the other thing they're talking about in America this morning,
I'm told a very big online debate over Tupperware, so
huge contingent online. I am told, who thought this guy

(12:58):
was saying it correctly?

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Legit the same tubbleware I give my five year old
daughter for school every day.

Speaker 15 (13:03):
What are you saying?

Speaker 6 (13:05):
Say it again, Tumbleware, Say it again?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Slow, Tubleware, slow, very slow. First say the first syllable
tub wrong. What do you mean wrong? I thought I
caught that you throw You're throwing bees at me. It's
p peas, babe. What are you talking about?

Speaker 15 (13:19):
Tupperware?

Speaker 8 (13:21):
Tupper It's topper It's tupper, babe.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
It always has been, always will be cooling him. Vibe
what's going on there? The UK joined in and reminded
everyone about this moment from Jason Travis Kelsey's podcast when
they were filming in the UK.

Speaker 16 (13:33):
This is a very Alice in Wonderland tea set. What
is happening here?

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (13:38):
This is the official Mad Hatter tea service that makes
the Alice in Wonderland references make sense now.

Speaker 10 (13:44):
Yeah, I also found out over the summer that it's
Alice in Wonderland, not Alis in Wonderland.

Speaker 16 (13:52):
You thought it was Alice in Wonderland.

Speaker 17 (13:54):
Yeah, I thought Alice in Wonderland was like the name.

Speaker 16 (13:56):
Did you ever we've watched the movie though, you know
her name wasn't Allison?

Speaker 17 (14:01):
I thought it was.

Speaker 15 (14:06):
I mean, the real question there is sake, Well, what
were the cowsies doing with that?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Very good point? Anyway, it's a very good point. DEM's
not finished, Mike, They'll have another go. I don't know
if you watch it. I mean, I know conventions are
all about, you know, momentum, and they're about hype and
noise and fervor and all of that. And the Dems
are going to have theirs in Chicago in a couple
of weeks time, and you'll see the same sort of thing.
But you just can't help but think, certainly, if the

(14:33):
election is held tomorrow, Biden's done for. But even in
these troubled, interesting and highly political times, they're still talking
about getting rid of Biden. That chat came back just
a couple of days after the assassination attempt. You just
get the vibe that this thing's now over and short
of some miraculum, this is the saving grace. Of course,

(14:54):
short of something miraculous, the Dems are done for as
far as I can see. In twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Four, the newsmakers and the personalities of the big names
talk to like the my costing breakfast with Bailey's real
estate doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy three, news
togs had been.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Surely but just to bring up to speak with all
that's going on in America, given them so much going
on in America, Biden, if you're not aware yesterday the
bullseye remark, A lot of people have been texting me
on that and you too long a bow, no pun intended.
But when he said it was time to put a bullseye,
he was on a private call that he said it's
time to put a bullseye on Donald Trump. I mean
to extrapolate that out to what happened was ridiculous. But nevertheless,

(15:34):
he indeed suggested yesterday that it was probably a step
to part and he chose his words incorrectly. As a
result of Saturday, Rfk is now getting secret service prediction.
Elon Musk has announced he's going to give forty five
million dollars a month to a pro Trump super pack.
He hasn't actually done it yet, but monophony what he

(15:55):
says doesn't happen. But that's what he said. As regards
the shooter the FBI, I've got nothing. They got his phone,
and they had his phone yesterday. They've still got nothing
by way of a motive. And it was this time
yesterday we're telling you about the secret documents the Florida trial,
the stuff they found at the toilet. The appeal has come,
so we got the ninety three page ruling yesterday. Justice

(16:16):
Department has approved plans to appeal, so we will stand
by for that. The important part of that is it
gets it out beyond the election, and if he wins
the election, when it comes to court cases involving himself,
lord knows what he will decide to do. Twenty two
to seven. The Menendez thing is the other thing that's

(16:38):
just breaking in America as we speak, Sir Richard Arnold
with allerdtail on that meantime back he have more climate
change material for you with a release today of this
one hundred and thirty two page set aside some time
for that today. It's one hundred and thirty two pages,
maybe over sandwiches at lunchtime. One hundred and thirty two
page Emission's Reduction Plan. It's the second of its kind,
outlines our mission budget from twenty six to twenty thirty.

(16:58):
Government was on track to meet all the time gets
through to thirty six, but that's changed. We're likely now
to miss by about seventeen million times. Anyway, the Climate
Minister Simon Watts is with us. Morning. You are the
Simon Morning to you seemed lost not at all. What
do we get today? Do we get targets or do
we get reality? Are we going to get there or

(17:20):
are we not going to get there?

Speaker 18 (17:21):
Look, we get both. We get a plan that is
backed by initiatives that we've been are going to be practical,
maintain our economy while also reducing emissions. And we're making
sure that the initiatives that we're going to do are
going to support our economy through what is a difficult
phase now while also doing what we need to do
in the future. And that's the balancing act that we're

(17:41):
having to do.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Do you run the risk of having so many targets,
so much paperwork that people lose interest.

Speaker 18 (17:47):
Look, no, we've tried to do as much as we
can to simplify this plan. Our plan this time is shorter,
it's more concise. It's focused on the big dots that
are going to move us in the right direction, and
that's around double renewables. It's about the work that we're
doing around giving farmers a tool to reduce submissions in
the agg space. And you know, we're confident that our

(18:09):
plan is going to allow us to get to the
targets that we're seeing. It's going to be challenging, but
we're being pragmatic around the process to get there.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
When you say farmers, they're not in yet.

Speaker 18 (18:19):
Look, the difference between the last plan and our plan
is that pricing isn't going to be coming in first
January of next year. But also the reality is is
that we're not going to be decimating the agricultural sectory
because that was going to be the outcome under the
last plan. But for us, we're giving tools to the
farmers to be able to reduce emissions, and we've got

(18:40):
some examples and modeling around some of those tools within
our plans.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
And where does the science coming to this? And how
do we know what science is going to do? Is
it not possible? Science will save us all? And therefore
we don't need to panic now?

Speaker 18 (18:53):
Well, look our view, is it actually agricultural science breakthrough
is going to be that we've given some examples around
low methane genetics, We've got methane inhibitor examples that we've modeled,
and while they're preliminary modeling, there are some pretty significant
upsides around that. New Zealand has a significant opportunity in

(19:14):
that space. We back our farmers and that's why we
put more money into R and D, which we think
is the key area to reduce emissions, not putting in
pricing without giving them the tools.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
How tangible is the actual model in your view? In
other words, if you look at a Peter Dutton in Australia,
he says this Paris thing is pie in the sky
and we're getting out of it. Why are we so
hell bent on trying something that may or may not
work knowing full well that a US and India or
China aren't going to get there. We know we're not
going to get there, and even if we don't get there,
nothing actually happens.

Speaker 18 (19:43):
Well, the difference between New Zealand and Australia is we've
got an abundance of renewable energy. We've got significant opportunities
within our own economy to be able to realize more,
particularly renewable electricity, which will allow us to decarbonize. We've
got all these assets and resources at our advantage and
we need to use that. That's the way that the

(20:05):
economies are transitioning, and we're well positioned to do that.
But we have to balance the realities of a particular
ad sector as we go on that journey. And we've
aimed to try and maintain a bit of pragmatism in
terms in terms of that plan. But as I say,
we are on track to hit our domestic targets based
on the plan that we've published today.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
All right, appreciate time. Simon wants who's the climate Minister? Mike?
How can Tanna stayin parliament is an independent when she
is only a List MP with no electric to represent Ah,
you don't understand the rules more shortly eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
The make costing breakfast just before.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
We leave climate by the way, I know with the
grade ele ofmentterest. The head of Bathurst Resources, one of
the coal producers in the country, said Cole's got a
life well past twenty fifty. He did argue that it's
going to be or should we use more for steel
making than for heating houses, and Huntley should be a
last resort and all that sort of stuff. But this
whole idea that coal's gone, fossil fuels are gone is ridiculous.
And the ideaogy that's got us in this trouble is

(21:01):
why we can barely put the power on during winter.
And we've got to be a little bit more realistic
about it in Bathroostar. And yes they'll be using it
for steelmaking and not heating houses, but twenty fifty is
a long time away. And when they're saying that Cole's
still going to be used, the so called the end
of fossil fuels is not happening. It's not real.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Six forty five International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance
Peace of Mind for New Zealand business bid Richard.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Arnold, what do you, Mike Touble time for the Dems.
Of course, Medendez hasn't helped.

Speaker 15 (21:30):
That's right.

Speaker 19 (21:31):
They breaking news here is that one of this country's
top senators, in the shape of Robert Menendez, has just
been found guilty of selling his office to foreign governments
for hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash and gold
bars that gold sealed in plastic baggies or crammed into boots.
We're here in a closet in the home. It's pretty bizarre,
says US attorney Damian Williams.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
This case has always been about sharking levels of corruption,
hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in the forum
of cash, gore bars, Mercedes bands.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
This wasn't politics as usual. This was politics for profit.

Speaker 13 (22:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (22:05):
Menindus has been found guilty on sixteen counts. He was
tried along with two other individuals. His wife also is
facing charges, but her case has been delayed because she
has cancer. This senator was found guilty of taking payoffs
to cross convictions in his home state, New Jersey, then
seeking to cover all that up. He was also found
to have met with Egyptian intelligence officials and help that

(22:26):
country access millions of dollars in US military aid in Israel.
As head of the Senate Foreign Relations, emerging from Courtman
Indez pressed his claim to be innocent and said he
will appeal.

Speaker 9 (22:37):
I have never been anything but a patriot of my
country and for my country. I have never ever been.

Speaker 20 (22:44):
A foreign agent.

Speaker 9 (22:45):
And the decision rated by the jury today would put
at risk every member of the United States Senate in
terms of what they think a foreign agent would be.

Speaker 19 (22:55):
So that's his argument. Everyone does it. I mean, indus
is seventy. He could face up to twenty years and
is for this the top Senate democrat is calling on
him to quit the U S Senate. Menendez could stay
on in theory until the appeals processes through. Meantime. That
other court case you were mentioning involving US national security
is the Trump Classify document situation, where the Trump appointed

(23:15):
Florida Judge Aileen Cannon. Throughout the case, Trump of course
had piles of papers in his bathroom and elsewhere, secret papers,
including materials on US nuclear programs, lying around in parts
of marro Lago where visitors could just walk in. This
Trump judge says that the special council in the case
is unconstitutional, had not been confirmed by the Senate, and
so on. This gets down to the gritty netty. But

(23:37):
the law professor Michael Gerhad says, the ruling of this judge,
who has issued a number of rulings in the case
favorable to Trump, is unlikely to stand.

Speaker 21 (23:45):
In his view, really a terrible opinion, has very little support,
and I think is likely to be overturned on a queue.

Speaker 19 (23:52):
But the bottom line is, as you put it, this
holts the case all after the election. So another victory
for Trump and his lawyers pers exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Then we come to JD. Vance, who turned up yesterday
at the of Course Games first interview. What's America making
of him?

Speaker 19 (24:03):
Well, it's early, but you know, it's pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Little surprise.

Speaker 19 (24:09):
Although when Trump first met Vance, whose middle name was
Donald before he changed it to David, when they first
met at Mari Lago a few years back, Trump had
copies of all the slams Advance that taken against him
by calling him, you know, I quite moral disaster and
possibly America's hitler. Advans immediately apologize, So things like this
no longer operating.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
The can't stomach Trump. I think that he's noxious and
is leading the white working class to a very dark please.

Speaker 19 (24:33):
So now the never Trump guy is all in. Things
have changed dramatically.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
I was certainly skeptical of Donald Trump in twenty sixteen.
But President Trump was a great president and he changed
one mote.

Speaker 19 (24:44):
But who is vance. He was in the Marines, where
his job was to escore civilian press basically and gather
some info and a few articles from military news service.
His wife is an Indian immigrant lawyer who worked for
a couple of Supreme Court justicees Spread Cavanon and John Roberts.

Speaker 17 (24:59):
The chief.

Speaker 19 (25:00):
Vans himself went into venture capitalism. Policy wise, he says
Latin American immigration is killing jobs for folks in his
home state, Ohio and letting more Democratic voters pour into
the land. On foreign policy, he's in America first, says
he quote doesn't really care what happens in Ukraine one
way or another. In the Middle East, he says, quote
his heart goes out to civilians in Gaza, but he

(25:23):
still fully supports Israel.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
And abortion.

Speaker 19 (25:25):
Vans opposes abortion rights even in cases of rape or incest.
Victims of rape or incests should be compelled to have
those babies, apparently on climate change. He says that's not
a real threat. He wants increasing tariffs on imports from
other countries and is not interested in traditional conservative small
government priorities. He is thirty nine years old, so half

(25:46):
the age of Trump. He calls people convicted of crimes
during the attack on the US Capitol on January the
sixth political prisoners, so echoing his boss. He says the
twenty twenty election was not a real election and says
he will not commit to the results of the coming
up elections this year. He says he had had he
been vice president in twenty twenty one, unlike Mike Pence,
he would have thrown out the real electoral votes in

(26:09):
place of Trump proxy. So even though he ditched that
middle name Donald, he has embraced the mega campaign virtually
in every other one.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Richardame, we'll back on Friday on the program Morning consopt
to first poll out post shooting that I can find
hasn't moved the needle, so of course, the reference being
that when Ronald Reagan was shot, he went up twenty
two points, still early days, but to Trump on forty six.
Butard and forty five. These are national numbers. I'm not
a big fan of national numbers because it's swing states
that count. But the previous poll was forty four to
forty two to Trump. Now it's forty six forty five

(26:39):
to Trump. Mike, and the US is as intractably polarized,
then the margins and the presidential election will be incredibly fine.
Way too early to pretic Trump win, as the current
polarization will prevent a landslide. You missed one critical point,
and I'll explain the moment nine to seven.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
The Mike hosting Racist with Jaguar News.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
You'll mind on Trump winning. It doesn't matter what Trump
wins by. If he wins, he can win by one.
You race to two seventy and that's all you need.
Doesn't matter whether you win by a landslide, to win
by one vote, you win, you win. So the big story,
the real story is if this momentum continues, what does
it do for the House of Reps? What's to doe
for the Senate? Can the Republicans get all three? The
presidency in other words, the White House, the House of Reps,

(27:19):
and the Senate. And that's the big fear for the
Democrats at the moment because of all those people who
went home. The Democrats went home and they were thinking, suddenly,
my seats in trouble come November. It's not about the presidency.
It's my seat in the House of Reps. My seat
in the Senate is Biden, the man that's where the
problem lies, five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
All the inns are the outs.

Speaker 17 (27:40):
It's the biz.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
With business fiber, take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Now it turns out the euro has been very good
for food in Britain from the period beginning from the tournament,
which was June fourteen to the seventh of July. So
that's not the whole tournament because the complete tournament numbers
aren't out yet, but to this point, sales at supermarkets
are up two point two percent year on the ear
driven by beer, potato, chips and snacks. Also, Brick's made
two percent more trips than usual to the shops because

(28:06):
they ran out of beer, potato, chips and snacks. So
if you break it down to individual days, beer sales
were up thirteen percent on the days that England played
and no alcohol and low alcohol it was up thirty
eight percent because Most of the England games were played
on weeknights. You don't want to get tanked on a
weeknight because you've got a gap. Only go work tomorrow.

(28:27):
Don't running in sick. Well, not the football. They got
the wet summer problems at the moment, you got sales
of artificial tan. Artificial tan Sharon has increased sixteen percent
in the four week period. Ten percent drop in demand
for sunscreen, No one want sunscreen. Cold and flu medicine
sales they're up thirty five percent on peak summer. So

(28:49):
it hadn't been overly warm. Its continuing to rain. And
my forecast to Nick Cassidy yesterday for the Formula E
this weekend was completely and utterly wrong. I mean it
was right at the time I gave it to them,
but it's been chain changed. They thought it was going
to be there was a heat wave coming and it
was going to be super hot by the weekend. It's
not going to be super hot at all. It's going
to be about twenty one degrees in cloudy. So sort
of thing.

Speaker 15 (29:08):
You're saying that they did a weather forecast that it
turned out to do.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, So what happened. Glynn was at the beginning of
the week they were talking about the weather and by
the next day it change the like change completely.

Speaker 15 (29:17):
See this is what I'm saying. With the news, you're
going to get rid of the weather and bring a
more horoscope.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
I reckon you need more Tash Cash or whatever whatever
her name. One Channel seven was get old Tash on
board of stuff. Thought of that yet, given they had
given their trials and tribulations, I mean that they thought
of bringing in a little bit of horoscope action at
six o'clock at night on on TV three. I haven't
got to your Tanna question. How can Tarna stay in Parliament?
It's a very fair question. I do have an answer
for you, and I'll give it to you after the News,
which is.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Next the breakfast show You Can Trust the mic Hosking
Breakfast with Veda, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way News togs.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
D B seven past seven. So as we previewed by
the Acting Prime Minister on the show yesterday at about
this time David Seymour's farm app Then I see yesterday
afternoon fired off the letter of expectation to his agency.
They need to improve culture and public perception. The tricky
why TANGI also gets to mention and in charge of
making this regalousy is the FIREMAC chair of course, Paula Bennett, who.

Speaker 22 (30:08):
Is with us.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Very good morning to you.

Speaker 23 (30:09):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Are you aligned with the minister?

Speaker 23 (30:13):
Yes, the mist has laid out his expectations very clearly
and it's now my job to try and implement that
into the organization.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Do you have an executive aligned with your and his view?

Speaker 23 (30:26):
Yes, yes, I believe so. I mean we're having discussions
and you know there's different views, and you know, people
have been under one sort of regime and one letter
of expectation from a very different minister, and now they
have put one, so there's a lot of discussions still
go on.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
I think do you agree with the letter in the
sense that FARMAC have been troubled, they've been needlessly defensive.

Speaker 23 (30:47):
Well, I mean I definitely would say that they have
been somewhat defensive, and I don't know if i'd use
the word needlessly. I mean they're having to say no
more than they can say yes. They do care about
New Zealanders, want to deliver more medicines, and they haven't
had the budget to do that, and so as a consequence,
there's a lot of frustration and there's a lot of
anger and they've perhaps closed themselves in instead of going

(31:10):
more openly outward, which is what I think we'd all
like to see.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
What I've found fascinating about public servants and I look
at I talk them as fit particularly she can be
something and then something completely different. How do you do that?

Speaker 23 (31:25):
I don't know how to answer that. I would just
say that I think Sarah cares a lot about delivering
for New Zealanders. She's incredibly smart and intelligent and knowledgeable
about medicines and medical devices and the role that she's in,
and certainly she's been a great help to me in
the last couple of months as I've been in the role.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
What do you see The problem has been with the
treaty Wheitangi, and it's obsessioned by various government departments and
specifically in your role farmic.

Speaker 9 (31:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (31:54):
Well, I mean they were given a commendate from the
previous government that they were to implement the treaty throughout
the organization and how they make decisions, and they put
a lot of effort into that. You know, I think
the Minister is quite clear and that that's, you know,
not the main mandate for the organization, and instead they

(32:14):
need to be looking at, you know, the need of
medicines for all New Zealanders, irrelevant of race.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Could they, in your experience in looking into the organization,
point to anything tangible that as a result of dealing
with the treaty in the way they did that they
improved the outcome for anybody in this country at all.

Speaker 23 (32:34):
Not not something that I can point to. You know,
I do think there's something. You know, we are responsible
as well for access, and there's something in those more
rural communities you get a different standard of gear, if
you like in Auckland because of your access to hospitals
and medicines, and we want to make sure that those
medicines are getting to the more rural areas and being

(32:55):
administered to the right people. So in that consequence, I
think it could be affecting Mary that you know traditionally
do live more rural areas.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Sometimes when can I get you on the program and
you can go, Mike, it's working.

Speaker 23 (33:08):
Look, every day, it's going to improve. That's how I work.
I believe in continuous improvements. You know, it's not going
to happen overnight, but if every day we're making better decisions.
And you can see the speed that with the money
that they've got that they're rolling out new medicines is
just really impressive. They are working incredibly hard. I know
that that's what they want to do. We've got the

(33:29):
option as well in the letter as to how we
look at, if you like embiedding that social investment modeling
as well, so thinking that if we get medicines sooner
to the right people, then they may not need operations
as much hospitalizations. That's making savings right across the sector.
And I think that we can move on that sort
of stuff pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Good stuff. We'll stay in touch and go well with
Paul Bennett, who's the FARMAC chair with us this morning,
eleven minutes past seven hundred percent, right when he says
the treaty has been distracting FARMAC, I think that's the
case throughout all central and local government. I don't think
there'll be many people who won't disagree with that. Now
other matters CPI Wednesday, welcome to it where a lot
of people hope and hold their breath that inflation are
showing genuine signs are falling, thus leading sooner or rather

(34:07):
than later to the Reserve Bank entering the elusive world
of the rate cut. West Paxtief economist Kelly E. Colder
is with us. Kelly, very good morning to you morning
zero point six. You're a little higher than the others,
you little doer than the others. What's driving that?

Speaker 24 (34:20):
Well, we think that the services sector inflation is still
going to remain reasonably chunky, So we're in line with
where the Reserve Bank was forecasting things would be when
they told us back in May, although probably since then
it sounds like they're maybe expecting something a little lighter.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
The non tradeable worry you.

Speaker 24 (34:39):
Still, that is basically what the services sector stuff is about.
I mean, obviously there's a few high profiles stickier things
like rates and insurance, which are going to take a
while to adjust, But it's all the other things in
the services sector that I'm watching particularly closely because those
have been robust now for a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Do we see ford beyond today? In other words, this
is retrospective obviously at three point six and trending down
still here now today or three point six and sticky.

Speaker 24 (35:10):
It's three point six says probably three point five today
and heating lower The question is not really about whether
we're going to go down, it's about how.

Speaker 14 (35:20):
Are we going to go down?

Speaker 24 (35:22):
And for the Reserve Bank, there's a big difference between
inflation being around two percent and say two point Take
the seat and say six and nine months time.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Right, Let me read to this text, see if he's right, Mike.
Since the RB dubbish perpot last week, the market's now
pricing effectively eight twenty five point rate cuts over the
next eight meetings, taking the cash rate to three point
five percent in August next year. Would you agree with
that or not?

Speaker 24 (35:44):
I don't agree with that. I think that the Reserve
Bank won't be moving that fast. Even if we get
a good number today, it's still going to take a
while for that service expected to flea adjust.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
So the problem being, do you see anything remarkable? So
say they cut. Do you say for a first of
all end of the year, they'll cut the first cut
coming at the end of the year or not?

Speaker 24 (36:04):
Well, right now, I'm still on the early next year
in February. Today's data, though it is going to be important.
The Reserve bank chut did shift last week, and you
have to listen to that.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Okay, So the second part of that question. When they go,
they go more than once, So once twice does anything
materially change in the economy. Do we get out of
our funk or not?

Speaker 24 (36:25):
Well, I think things will improve relative to the very
negative situation right now. You've got to remember that through
this year the economy has been hit with three pretty
negative factors. First, one of the banks suggested there'd be
great heights this year, which initially put things into a fund.
And then we've got a big CPI in the first quarter,
which solidified in people's minds that it was going to

(36:46):
take a while for interest rates to go down. Then
the Reserve Bank hit us in May with the idea
that interest rates might have to go up and certainly
wouldn't be going down until later next year. I think
those views have all shifted away now, right so, just
looking about the timing thought, things that are going to
start will be drates to be falling. That will be
something that will make households feel a bit chippier.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Okay, well, let's hope you're right. In today, we hope
you're wrong. Kelly Eck Cold Westpac chief economists with us
this morning. I'm still coming back to it. How can
tanna stay in Parliament as an independent when she's only
a the st MP. I will get to it, I promise.
Fourteen past the hosting racist Nigel Aby are Chef de
Mission and parisies with a shortly Shaan Fitzpatrick on Norm

(37:29):
Hewitt before eight o'clock as well. Seventeen past seven. Government
are having a look at our insulation rules so MB
they've been asked to investigate a standard known as H one.
The thinking is the industry are suggesting apparently current laws
lead to overheating too much insulation, new builds of fifty
thousand dollars more expensive than they need to be in
z Certified build a CEO Malcolm Flemings with us on
this Malcolm morning, Good morning to you, Mike. What's H

(37:51):
one is fewer pink bats or what.

Speaker 25 (37:55):
H one is a variety of things, But first of
all certified builds support one understandings ventilation and they're all
backed which has been proposed would under changes that are
making the selling buildings Liverpool and sustainable. We meet with
them mister recently. The offer ways to reduce building costs.
We're without reversing the most effective components of attune requirements

(38:17):
which are now accepted and adopted by the construction industry.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Right, so H one's good week live with H one.
If we went to H one, we'd save money and all.

Speaker 17 (38:25):
Is well.

Speaker 25 (38:29):
When we're looking at it costs. It's quite important thoughe
that I've been talking to members in the last couple
of parts about this and coming are quite upset. One
of them recently told the Glass for examples, in an
eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars build, which is a
live build in Auckland, there's about ten k of costs
associated with H one. Members are typically telling me for

(38:51):
standards house it's in the tens of twenty K. When
will say about forty percent on heading costs. That's a
relatively small upfront investment formnificant long term game. I think
it's a point alope that significant investment has been made
by government and industry to ensure that buildings were prepared
for the H one adoption date in May twenty twenty three.

(39:13):
Manufacturers have also invested heavily, and new plant for machinery
was required to produce window frames to accommodate firmly efficient
class required by the new removing H one and do
much of that investment by business.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Okay, so are we heading in the right direction or not.

Speaker 25 (39:31):
I think we're heading in the right direction with h
one and our sponsortibilities with the Powers agreement, we're getting
warmer homes. Lot the costs to ramos homes go forward.
We're going back to where we were two three years
ago as a backward stamp. And there's also a sense
a low confidence from business to government in regard to

(39:54):
we're being asked to produce nut skill and provide the machinery.

Speaker 14 (40:00):
Go too orders.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
You don't know where you're at.

Speaker 25 (40:03):
You don't know where're at.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, no consistency. I get it, malcolmpreciate it very much.
Malcolm Fleming the New Zealand Certified Builders Operation Morning, Mike.
Rates will never go down. Councils do whatever they're like, Andrew,
you're right and you're wrong. Rates only play. Everything's weighted
in the inflation story. So council think about your economy.
Your economy is money comes into the house and money
goes out of the house. How much money goes out
of the house to rates versus money it goes out

(40:25):
of the house to the power bill and the insurance
and your food and you're driving a your car and
all that sort of stuff. So, yes, councils are a problem.
Yes insurance is a problem, but they alone are not
weighted heavily enough to affect the overall economy in a
way that would prevent the Reserve Bank from moving. Right,
let's get to Tanna in a moment. Seven twenty my
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because that sale ends two day. PASKI even't twenty four right,
Darlene Tana as she continues her woe is me, I've
been wronged road show. We might like to look to
a little bit of history for advice or instruction on this.

(41:51):
We have been here before. I believe it began with
Alamin Kopa, remember the name, many years ago, another woman
with very similar grievances to Tana. Is not fair? Why
was me hard done by? She was part of the
alliance in the early days of MMP, when these new
lists MPs rolled into Parliament on nothing more than a
party's women said about causing trouble. Isn't it remarkable?

Speaker 13 (42:11):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Isn't it remarkable to think that three decades later we
still haven't learned how to run the system properly. It's
become embarrassingly obvious the Greens aren't up too much when
it comes to candidate selection. Tana, who got voted for
specifically by no One scraped and scraped in twelve on
the list, now has the power to just hang about
the place and cause who knows how much trouble, and

(42:33):
of course paid for by us. Meantime, the party who
could do something aren't for reasons only they can try
and explain. They can't contact her, they won't release the
report we paid for, they won't tell us how much
it cost, and they're twisting themselves into indigestion over the
walker jumping law. That would solve their problems except for
the fact they've banged on so loudly about it being unfair.
Here's the most important part of this. Chloe Swarbrick has aspirations.

(42:58):
She openly states she can take the party and overtake
Labor as the major left player. But how can she
even begin to do that when she can't even run
the place the size it is? How do you appeal
to say twenty eight twenty nine to thirty percent of
New Zealanders when at twelve or thirteen, you look at shambles,
a dysfunctional, indecisive, dithering shambles. If all they aspire to

(43:20):
be is a minor noise maker yapping away on the
sidelines of an MMP system that allows increasingly fringe operators
a seat or two, then this would be just another
amateurish mess. But when you see yourself in the mainstream,
you got to act like you belong there and small
clue Chloe, this isn't it mos Key. So an answer
to the question how can Tarna stay in Parliament because

(43:41):
the rules say so? And because nobody worked out what
was wrong with the rules when they put them in place,
and we weren't awake at the time when we voted
for MMP, and we didn't see all the trials and tribulations.
It was only later when the Waker jumping legislation came
along that they actually found a solution to the problem.
But then the Green stripped themselves up and they don't
like the Waker jumping legislation. What's not to like? I've
got no idea, but under the rules you can come

(44:04):
in under one party having been voted more by literally nobody,
and then you can just sit there and we've seen
it a number of times before, and still they won't
learn their lesson. Mike Retarner, I hope she stays on
in Parliament to act as a festering boil on the
inner thigh of the Green Party, a party that brought
in bullying, thieving in migrant exploitation. They deserve it for
not enhancing the waker jumping legislation because they're a party

(44:27):
of ethics. Burn baby burn, So the sigin river, sane River,
the Sceine River prize for the person who gets the
correct pronunciation. Anyway, you can swim in this thing or not?
What's Nigel Avery make of all of this? And did
you realize the triathlm becomes the dueth if they can't

(44:47):
swim in the river. What sort of gerrymanded half fast
Olympic Games event is that? For goodness sake? Nigel Avery
is with us from Paris after the news which is
next near at newstalk said.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Be what big news bold opinions, the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with Jaguar, the Art of Performance news dogsa'd be.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Mike the Greens don't like the waker jumping legislation because
normally it works against them. They just want listening piece
from major parties to be able to jump to the Greens.
Normally it's a disenfranchised from GMP that they see they've
got more clout at a smaller party. Sort a bad
point you make that would make, of course the Greens
hypocrites and whoever thought that that'd be that? Mike. I'm
wondering how your Lulu is doing. I hopefully recovered Sue's

(45:30):
what a very nice question to ask. Lulu is very well,
thank you, and she bounced back. She was sick for
a week, had pancreatitis, as it turned out. And I
had lunch with my daughter who's a medical student, the
other day when she was in town. And my daughter's
become increasingly useful over the years in medical matters, because normally,
when I used to ask her about things like pancreatitis
when she was eight or nine, I'd say, what causes pancreatitis?

(45:51):
And when she's eight years old, she didn't have the
slightest clue. But now at the age of twenty three
and a fifth year medical student, she seems to know
and it's not good pancreatitis and dogs or humans. As
it turns out, not a lot you can do about it,
and there's not a lot you can do to prevent
it either, as it turns out. But anyway, Lulu came
right and so she's feeling absolutely fantastic. Twenty three and
it's away from eight with the Olympics just nine days away.

(46:15):
We have, as of fire this morning, officially our final
team set to go, so that includes one hundred and
ninety five athletes twenty three sports. The chef of Mission
in Paris's night to Labor he is with us morning,
Good morning to you too. What's the vibe.

Speaker 7 (46:28):
The ViBe's pretty good. Yeah, it's the weather's been nice,
it's not too hot, and the people in the village
have been very very helpful, the villagers ready to go
from us from walking and get our sort of provival
stuff together. So it's been really good.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
The weather you mentioned, is it going to get hot?
And if it does get hot, how does that impact
the athletes and their performance?

Speaker 7 (46:53):
Do you think, yeah, look, it's a performance. I guess
it depends on what your perspective is. It's probably sleeping
side of it is that all the recovery is probably
the most important from that aspect. So we've got econditioning
facilities in the rooms and were heating. This is the
village in Saint Denis. The other satellite locations have got
econditioning in their in their hotels, so they'll be fine.

(47:16):
But from what the long range or the ten day forecast,
it's not really looking to get overly hot. It's just
really kind of nice.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Good What about security? Can you still move?

Speaker 7 (47:27):
Yeah, yeah, we can still move. So now we've got
to embedded security. The aison officer on the team, he's
been meeting with all the heads of security here in
the village and they've got sort of groups sort of
spread around. We actually don't really see it. They're not noticeable,
but they're ready to move should something happen. And then
when we were moving from our accommodation in the hotel

(47:47):
for the first two nights to the village, there's just
the real strong presence of police, you know, particularly as
we start getting into Saint Denis.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
When you get to a country the size of France,
and you've been around the world of course, and places
like London or New York, it's not like New Zealand,
it doesn't stop. The whole nation's not paying attention. Do
you get the sense that France will in some way,
shape or form be genuinely interested in the Olympic Games
of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 7 (48:11):
Yeah, I think there will. Look, I think there's been
a lot of negativity about the games from the local population,
as I think it is for most games. But when
push comes to shove, when that opening sere, when it happens,
I think they're going to be extremely proud of what
they're putting on and they'll just dog get it behind it.
That's what I think.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
What about the river, would you jump on the sane yourself?

Speaker 7 (48:29):
Oh, I'd have a crack, I guess. I mean the
meth is the other day. But we're chatting. We're just
coming back from dinner now and we're chatting out of
dinner and nutrition has said, well, it's all really about.

Speaker 14 (48:37):
To swimmer the river.

Speaker 7 (48:38):
But what's happening now? You know they an hostel on
a drip, But I think we had a bit of
a downpour a couple of days ago. It was quite
was torrential, and I think that's the issue. If it rains,
it's going to have some runoff and it's going to
be problems. But the forecast for the next teen days
is dry, it's fine, So that's going to take up
to sort of you know, close to the opening and

(49:01):
trifling sort of early days. So I guess we're just
going to a cross the things. It does stay dry,
and that's going to help things in that department.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Does that mess with athletes? I mean, if you don't
know where your venue is, is that a problem?

Speaker 7 (49:15):
Look, I guess. I mean and for triathon, the plan
b if it's if it's that dangerous to swimming, is
going to go to a jew f one. And so
clearly the swimmers or the strong swimmers of the three
disciplines are going to be pretty put out, whereas you
know the strong cyclist and runner they're going to go well,
happy days. So at the end of the day, though,

(49:36):
it is what it is, and you just got to
come up with with what's put in front of you.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
What about the psychology. Have you had to get into
the ear of some of the young people.

Speaker 13 (49:46):
Not yet.

Speaker 7 (49:46):
There's no no athletes arriving yet, so it's been pretty
pretty quiet on that front.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Will you have to talk to them about the size
of the event, expectation, managing it, all of those sort
of things.

Speaker 13 (49:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
Look, I've spoken to most of them since selection, and
particularly the new and younger first times. I'll say, well, look,
at the end of the day, you are going to
you're very good at what you've done to get to
where you are now, so you just got to just
figure out what that was that got you there and
repeat it. But no, at the same time, there's a

(50:19):
lot of noise around and you're going to try and
just let that flow over the top and focus on
what you can do.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
One hundred and ninety five athletes, twenty three sports, how
many medals?

Speaker 7 (50:29):
Oh, look, that's a really good question, and I don't know.
Asked me in a month, and I'll tell you precisely.
But look, I think we'll get a fair share. There's
definitely going to be the ones who we think they
should get them and they will, and there'll be others
that think well we should get them and they may not, right,
and there'll be everything else in between. And so yeah,
I think the I think you're going to realize is

(50:50):
that as most people do, I guess is there's ten
and a half thousand athletes here all trying to do
the same thing, and they all can't get medals. And
I guess our job is to make sure that eachf weete,
I mean a wee they play is right up with
the with what the expectation or their ability is. Because
you like, at let's face that they all can't stand
on the podium. It just doesn't doesn't work like that.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
That is the truth, Nigel. Go well, and we'll stay
in touch over the next couple of weeks. Night to
lavery are cheft a mission by the way of the
one hundred and ninety five ninety eight males ninety seven females.
So the hand ringers will be happy. Luca Jones, Ellie Riley,
Emma Twig. They're back for their fifth Olympic Games. How
cool is that? Youngest is eighteen year old Millie Cleig,
who kicks a football, and the oldest is forty five

(51:32):
year old Tim Rice, who of course rides a horse.
Seventeen to two the masting breakfast fourteen away from it.
Can't give them too much stick, Mike. You can't swim
and half the beaches around Auckland and it rains. Actually
this fair point, Mike, Why does my radio signal keep dropping.
I live in christ Church and this happens all the
time with your station. Move the movie, your radio just

(51:53):
to the left, Just turn it slightly to the left.

Speaker 15 (51:57):
And I just up a bet yeah, but more bit
more a high shelf.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yep, heights the main ring fantastical. There, we're able to
solve that. So we've got a phone called trump Rings RFK.
Now RFK At this particular point, when the phone goes
ring ring, I assume rfk's phone goes ring ring. Uh,
he's got a videographer filming him. What just in case
the phone goes ring ring? What do you reckon this

(52:23):
videography anyways? For getting filmed? And when you see the film,
look up the film because it's pink that that's a
story in itself, I'm sure for a later day. His
son Bobby, as in the third puts it online. Whoops,
bad idea, deletes it, but not before we got hold
of it. So this is trump an rfk's.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Vacination.

Speaker 17 (52:48):
That's like thirty different vacs.

Speaker 20 (52:51):
And it looks like it's been for a horse, you know, Ted,
It looks like you should be giving by the horses.

Speaker 15 (53:00):
Did and do you see the size of it right there.

Speaker 20 (53:02):
It was just a massive and then you see the
baby all of a sudden starting to change radically.

Speaker 16 (53:08):
I've seen it too many times.

Speaker 15 (53:10):
And then you hear that it doesn't have an impact.

Speaker 20 (53:12):
Right, but you want I talked about that a long
time ago, and uh, anyway, I would be I wouldn't
love you to do that, And then I think it
would be so good for you and so big for you,
and we're gonna win for god.

Speaker 23 (53:25):
You know what.

Speaker 15 (53:26):
Way ahead of the guy, and you know, he's interesting.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
It was very nice.

Speaker 9 (53:30):
Actually he called it and he said, how.

Speaker 10 (53:35):
Did you choose to move right?

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Just?

Speaker 23 (53:38):
You know, so I guess that.

Speaker 15 (53:39):
People said, you know, I was a I was looking
straight up and he said I.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
I said, I was just showing it you.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
I didn't have to tell him.

Speaker 14 (53:46):
The shark was not all the people pouring into eventually.

Speaker 20 (53:49):
But but uh now, CON just turn my head to
show the jar and something wrapped me. It sounds like
a giant, like the world's archest mesquito.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
And it was it was a bullet, you know.

Speaker 19 (54:06):
Or something.

Speaker 20 (54:06):
That's a pretty pretty tough guy.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
He's drugged up. I know he's like that all the time.

Speaker 21 (54:16):
Well, I was just saying to Sam for my brother
fell off his bike yesterday and he's in hospital on
a morphine drip, right if he rang it out?

Speaker 15 (54:24):
So I had.

Speaker 21 (54:25):
We were having kind of a random conversation and over
over WhatsApp on the family chat, right, they were getting
some pretty random responses from him, and I just wondered, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I want to a bit of morphine involved there, and fluoride.

Speaker 15 (54:37):
They've talked about fluoride as well before.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
What I mean, one I'm actually interested in is whether
RFK actually said anything at all where the Trump just
wrings people up and somebody goes hello, and then for
the ten fifteen minutes following he just tells some stories.
But that's that's out of the last twenty four hours. RFK,
by the ways, apologized that the videographer should have won,
not been videoing to not posted it. So he apologizes

(55:00):
to Trump for all that. Eleven away from.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Its break visited with Bailey's real Estate news talks, it.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Is seven away from a tributes of flying for Normal Heward,
who died yesterday, of course, age fifty five, fighting motor
neurone disease. Former All Black Mary All Black, Hurricane Wellington,
hero of course, for most of his international career, he
was head to head with the Shawn Fitzpatrick for that
number two jumper. Shawn is wither us from Britain. Shawn
morning to you morning, Mike. When you think of Norm Hewitt,
what do you think of.

Speaker 8 (55:29):
I'm firstly, I'm very sad. It's been a very sad day,
and I thoughts with him and his family. But my
first thoughts that he was a great All Black, very
loyal and Funnily enough, Mike, he got the best out

(55:50):
of me because he was hugely competitive, a very good player.
And as I said, he got the best out of me,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
How do you handle those scenarios when you know he's
after your job and you've got his job, and how
does he how did that relationship and vibe work?

Speaker 8 (56:09):
As I said, I have massive respect for him as
an All Black. And you know, in the old days
when we us go on two of the Wednesday players
are trying to get on the Saturday team and the
Saturday teams trying to keep the Wednesday player out brings
out the best in both of us and Norm. Norm

(56:30):
definitely did that. You know, I think back to ninety three, Mike,
when we lost that second test in Wellington and norm
was on fire and I was lucky enough to get
another opportunity on the following Saturday. But he was a
huge competitor, hugely passionate about the all black jersey and

(56:53):
and that sort of relationship developed from ninety three and
then we went on ninety four ninety five. He was
He went to the World Cup and I think back
to that where he started and against Japan, and Lorie
Mains has said to me that he wanted me to play,
and I said no, I said, it's an opportunity where

(57:16):
Norms should start. This as a mark of respect for
what he had done for the all back jersey.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Fantastic. What did you make of an I know you followed,
but what did you make of his turnaround of life
post rugby and what he did for other people?

Speaker 8 (57:31):
Yeah, huge admiration for what he did. He had some
very difficult times and to turn that around and what
he gave back was huge. And you know, to be
to be settled with the motor neuron disease, which is
just a horrible, horrible disease to have, and you know

(57:55):
the way he dealt with that, you know, and you
know I was. I was fortunate enough to see his
brother when I was down there in April and he
told me we're enormous out and it's just you know,
just tragic.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah, without shifting gears to awkwardly the England's thing, we've
just seen. What a great way to start the season.
England were good. I thought England fantastic even they last twice.

Speaker 8 (58:21):
Yeah, both, it's doing a good job. They're they're in
good shape. We did we did well to beat them up.

Speaker 24 (58:28):
You know, it was a good good.

Speaker 23 (58:29):
Test for us.

Speaker 8 (58:29):
But they are definitely a team that you know this
in this cycle, they'll be hugely competitive in three years
four years time and when we head to Australia for
the World Cup. But yeah, they're they're a good outfit.
But a good test for us and and be interesting
to see what happens in the autumn when they come
up when the Audac's come up here to play them

(58:52):
in that November test.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Exactly good to catch up. I appreciate it very much.
Shean Fitzpatrick with us from from Britain this morning. The
sniff test aug In do the mic Hosking sniff test
again this morning. There seems to be some consternation among
some with Shane Jones and a dinner on the West
coast and involving mining entities, and it wasn't in the diary.
Then it was in the diary, and it was a
last minute thing. Then it wasn't a last minute thing.

(59:15):
Some people are finding themselves exercised about this this morning,
and so we'll put this to the sniff test and
see whether we've got a bubbling brewing scandal or not.
Maybe do it in politics Wednesday, maybe not, see what
the mood takes me. Oh, how to think about it
during the news and let you know, Mark Mitchell Duncan,
we're doing the business for you after the news, which
is next.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Demanding the answers from the decision makers the Mic Hosking
breakfast with Bailey's real Estate doing real estate differently since
nineteen seventy three used TOGSDB.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
We confuse you'll never guess in a millionaire. You see,
this is come So I'm not going to play a
silly game. This is serious business. This is evolved and
the album is fish he Hi.

Speaker 21 (01:00:06):
So you've completely got there around the wrong way and
really and this identified one of the most famous bands
in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Actually say that it's interesting you should say that because
this is there's sixteenth studio album. Correct, And I was
going to say, in fact, indeed I will because this
is my program. I've never heard of them, And is
it unusual for a person never to have heard of
a band that's done sixteen studio elves and say, well.

Speaker 21 (01:00:30):
I would say, if you've ever met an American or
listened to anything American, there'll be somebody in that conversation
who would say, like, oh, this is my favorite band.

Speaker 15 (01:00:41):
There's so much so that they're like a mean so
anyway to say so an entire band is fish.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I'm just why they did sixteen of them, because the
entire this one was made less than a week as
a twelve track fifty six the glorious minutes of Wish
Evolve the Volta. It is a bigger American apparently. Eight
minutes past eight. Time for politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with
us along with Duncan Web. Good morning to both of you. Now,

(01:01:15):
dunk and I believe this is your first time ever
on the program. Is that would this be immediately a
political highlight for you?

Speaker 14 (01:01:22):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:01:22):
So let's wait and find out, right, let's see how
we go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Well, a lot of it's in here, see the balls.
A lot of it's in your court. So I mean,
you know, all I can do is wish you the
very best with it. Let's start with us, while start
with you, Duncan, Darlene Taner, what's your advice to her?

Speaker 22 (01:01:36):
Pack your bags? Yeah, I mean she she wasn't voted
in as an electorate MP. No one actually voted for her.
She came in on the Green ticket. The Greens don't
want her. She shouldn't be an MP anymore. It's pretty
it's actually pretty simple. She's got no mandate and the
Greens have thrown her out and they're entitled to do that.
Had she been an electorately MP, it might have been

(01:01:58):
a little bit different. But at the end of the day,
no one voted for you know, leave with dignity, find
something else to do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
What's your advice to Chloe then visa the walker jumping
if she has to use it.

Speaker 22 (01:02:11):
Well, they've gotten themselves in a spot right because they've
fiercely opposed the walker jumping legislation before. Chloe hasn't been
front and center of that, and there has been a
significant change in leadership with her coming in. But you've
got to look ask at the Greens, if you know,
only a couple of years ago they were screaming blue

(01:02:32):
murder that this was a cravesty, and all of a
sudden they're dipping into the back pocket and getting out
the walker jumping legislation exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
So what's your advice, Mike.

Speaker 14 (01:02:42):
Yeah, Look, Dunton summed it up very well as a lawyer. Look,
I think she should have gone. I think she should
resigned for executive reasons that Duncan has outlined. And I
actually think, to be honest with you, I think Chloe's
ended quite well. But they are in a difficult position
around the jumping bill without a doubt, because they were

(01:03:02):
so vehement in their opposition to that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
How has she handled it well when one she hasn't
released the report or anything close to it, and b
she hasn't invoked the answer that she could have if
she wanted to invoke the answer.

Speaker 14 (01:03:15):
Well, I think just initially, like she was very clear
about when she came out, you know, and sort of
dealt with the issue in her own comms. But yes,
I agree with you is there's got to be a
level of transparency around that. There's been a commitment to
releasing the report, or at least part of the report,
so you know, the expectation is that that has to
happen now. But they look they are in a difficult place.

(01:03:35):
Without a doubt, turn to the party if she chooses
to stay, or they're talking about maybe she could join
the party, Mary Party. I think that they're going to
have their only option open to them is too in
fact that what could jumping bill all right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Second issue for you, dunk and then is the business
of Shane Jones and the dinner in the West Coast,
the sniff test, whether it should have been in the
ministerial diary, the fact that wasn't, Then it was, then
it was last minute, Then it wasn't. Do we have
a scandal here or not?

Speaker 22 (01:04:01):
Oh well, it smells it smells dodgy to me. The
lack of transparency is a real concern. And the idea,
as you say, you know, it wasn't in the diary,
and then it was it was last minute. Oh no,
my officials organized it four days before. He knew he
was going to have dinner with those people. At some
point he certainly knew that he had dinner with them

(01:04:22):
and then for it not to appear in the diary,
you know, and it's really important who it was. It
wasn't some minor person with a grit. These are mining
lobbyists and they've got something to say and they want
to influence one of the ministers who has the most
power and respect of this and to suggest it was,

(01:04:42):
you know, it was just a few beers in a stake,
just doesn't cut it.

Speaker 14 (01:04:47):
What do you reckon, Mike, There's an old sign that's
conspiracy or cockup, and it's normally a cockup and this
is that Josie's already come out and said yet but
it should have been in the diary. The diary has
been corrected, you know. But to be honest with that
label will be trying to make some sort of conspiracy
out of it that they know very well that it's

(01:05:08):
a moving place when you're a minister in terms of
meetings and things that can happen often on the run.
I've been out of the office for three days around
the country, things crop up. So as long as it
gets in the diary and it's recorded, which it has
to be ministerial accountability. But I think that absolutely it
would be more a cock up and conspiracy? Do you is?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
It says here in the email that was sent out
from his office to the people to the dinner, it says,
this is an informal dinner and it would be appreciated
if you could pick up your share of the costs
of you attend. Is that standard practice?

Speaker 14 (01:05:40):
Mark?

Speaker 25 (01:05:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:05:43):
I mean, I think it's probably a good practice for
stating very clearly that the minister and the text bar
is not going to be picking up the tet if
they want to take up the offer of a of
a meeting. It's probably it's not something that I've probably
done in emails, but you know, in some ways it's
probably a good idea and making it very clear that
test was not picking up the tab.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
What about you, Duncan, when you invited all those consultants
on light rail? Did you pay well? Did they pay?
What happened there?

Speaker 25 (01:06:08):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:06:08):
I wasn't a big one for having fancy dinners, But actually,
as I understand it, it's pretty common too if you
have a dinner like in particularly an informal one, not
some state occasion, to say, oh look at you know,
you pick up you know, pay your own way. I mean,
It is a good thing because a textplayer doesn't want
to be, you know, paying dinners of ministers in their
mates as they meet and talk about minding all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Right, brief break more in the moment Duncan Where Mark
Mitchell thirteen past the Mike Hosking Breakfast, sixteen past eight
Politics Wednesday, Duncan webbing for Ginny Anderson this morning, Mike
Mitchell with us as well Duncan early feedback from the
text You interested in feedback?

Speaker 13 (01:06:48):
You go on?

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Okay, we'll hear in his first recoming in more of Duncan.
Mike much better, Mike Duncan's far better than Ginny. Kicker
to the touch is Duncan web Actually from the Labor
Party seems to actually answer question straightened with some knowledge.
Surely not from the left.

Speaker 13 (01:07:02):
There you go.

Speaker 22 (01:07:03):
Oh, I said it was going to be a disaster.
I'm going to get thrown out of the Labor corc.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
That we're a bigger caucus. Put it that way. Hey, Mark,
can I criticize you on this retail crime thing that
you announced while I was on holiday last week? Oh,
he's just dropped off. He's gone. How convenient did he
drop off? When I use the words. Can I criticize you? No,
he's back with us, Mark you with us.

Speaker 14 (01:07:26):
Sorry, yes, sorry, I'm drawing to a podagain. I explained
to Sean that I just said to keep moving some
reading police like boys details for Sorry about that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Nowheries at all? Well, I was going to say, this
advisory group on retail crime that you announced while I
was away on holiday two years to come up with
ideas on crime, give me a break. What's that about?

Speaker 14 (01:07:48):
Well, it's just the reality is we felt was we
felt that was really important to the people that acum
the hebers hits. They have a threat and formal relationship
with the governor. They can do a whole lot of
work career in policies, and you know we're throwing the
kitchen sink and everything we can at getting on top
of the vinyl crime. I've got an important voice. Sonny
Kelshl himself has got so much energy in his own

(01:08:10):
time into being a strong voice and avocate and a
lot of work around policy as well. I just think
that's a very good move.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Yeah, no, Sunny Kersher is a very good move. But
he's already got the ideas because he's been banging on
about it for years, So it just it looks like
a classic government move whereby you set up a committee
for two years, you get your biggest critic to head it.
So he shuts up and he's on board, and it
looks like a jack up.

Speaker 14 (01:08:32):
No, he's Look, there's certainly no expectation that he can't
criticize and hold the government to account. In fact, that's
part of the role of this board is to do
exactly that. And I think that yes, he has developed
some good policy that needs a lot of refine. It
needs a lot of work because we're in really difficult,
sensitive areas, but we have to do something, and we
felt that it was really important that people are getting

(01:08:53):
hammers put through the head on front line. They've actually
recognized and actually got a formal way to engage with
the government.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
The size of Duncan, I mean it sets up. I
mean the story yesterday retailer is the impact of more
officers on patrol in the Auckland CBD. It seems to
be working well.

Speaker 22 (01:09:10):
The working group retail crime is tough, right, we learned that,
we learned it the hard way. Setting up a two
year working group isn't actually addressing the issue. Itself and
a two year timeline.

Speaker 25 (01:09:22):
It's I mean, it must be.

Speaker 22 (01:09:24):
It's almost insulting to the retailers, right, So hang around,
we'll get some advice in two years time and get
back to you.

Speaker 13 (01:09:31):
Well, I mean very happy.

Speaker 14 (01:09:33):
Well, it's not, it's not. It's not too long. It's
not two years timeline because advice and advice will be
coming and working straight away. And I just think if
you get out there and you talk to the retailers,
they will be very clear with you, and they'll tell
you they support this, especially the shopkeepers are on the
front line, don't talk to people and of course had
a hammer fut thro us. Yet you know, a few

(01:09:54):
weeks ago you're telling you police supported of this.

Speaker 22 (01:09:56):
We certainly agree. We certainly agree that the voice us
and the people who are on the receiving end of
these crimes is really important. But a working group is
you know, we're we're skeyptical, but you know, good luck
if it makes progress, that's a good thing.

Speaker 14 (01:10:13):
I'm not sure why you're skiptical living groups because you've
got a bit of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Well yeah yeah, but I'm skeptical, Mark, and I never
set up a working group in my life.

Speaker 14 (01:10:22):
No, and I get this, So I guess we'll just
have to prove that this is actually a very proven
move in terms of formalizing your relationship to come up
with the people the front line.

Speaker 22 (01:10:31):
But it's just really it's really unclear what particular policing
or justice strategies this working group has come up with. Yes,
the voice is victims is important, but you know what,
do you think.

Speaker 25 (01:10:43):
What are they going to come?

Speaker 14 (01:10:45):
Don't diminish, don't demostictapability to develop policies.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Don't they development a question? I mean, we know what
the problem with retail crime. As Sonny Kershel has been
on this program dozens of times. He's got the answers,
you know, use the power of a risk, gives security
guards more power, all of those sort of things. It's
not like we're in a science lab trying to find
some sort of solution. We know what the solutions are.
Get tougher, put people in jail, crack down.

Speaker 14 (01:11:11):
Let's wat job with the police and portfolio. And that's
exactly what I'm doing. But there's a lot of roots
to be done around working with the retail sector, with
the security industry. There's a lot of rooks to be done.
Around legislation at policy and they need to be part
of it, a formalized voice as part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Duncan have you read Richard Prebble's article in the Herald
this morning.

Speaker 25 (01:11:32):
I haven't managed to read that.

Speaker 22 (01:11:34):
You have to give me a synopsis.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Okay. The headline is can Barbara Edmonds save labor? Question mark?
What do you reckon?

Speaker 13 (01:11:39):
Can she? Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:11:41):
It's fantastic and she's got an amazing ability to capture
things in a nutshell. She's got huge skills around the
finance portfolio. But you know, the job of putting labor
back into government as a job for every single MPM.
We've all got a job to do. It's a team effort, right,
But Barber's going to do a fantastic job.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
It is premised on the idea you need to shovel
hipkins along the way. What do you reckon?

Speaker 23 (01:12:07):
Look?

Speaker 22 (01:12:07):
I think Chippy's doing a great job. He's understood that
we lost the last election. We've got to have a reset.
And you know, one of the challenges now is that
we're not coming out and saying here's the answers one, two, three,
because we've been told that we didn't have the answers
and we've got to find some new ones. So that's
what we're all doing. We're all traveling around the country
talking to people and developing new policies and which are

(01:12:29):
going to address these big issues that we've been talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Hey, listen, I appreciate your time very much. Duncle Mark,
you're in that particular part of the world. Have you
got more announcements coming today? And leads Kate Wairau or
all of that or what.

Speaker 14 (01:12:40):
No, I'm down, I'm meeting with you, we leaders. But
on first meetings with the police because we had the
Mungol mob turn into Rolling Down a few weeks ago
and the police ran a very good operation and made
sure that they let the town know that the police
are rouwing the place. I've got the Mungol mob because
the last time they did it, storms were closed and
there's all sorts of efficts. So I'm thesa thank you
to thank you to them good they're doing in the

(01:13:01):
ward at least all.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Right, can't you can't argue with the fact he doesn't
get out and about Mark Mitchell duncan web follow six
Wednesday at twenty three the My.

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coverage at all of the CFM EU scandal and it
is a scandal, make no mistake about it. That's unfolding
as we speak in Australia. We touched on it on
Monday with Steve. It's blown up major in the last
couple of days. So we'll get the update for you
right after the news, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Next your trusted source for news and fews, the Mic
Hosking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way News, TOGSDB.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Mike wants a story about senior health and safety investigator
with the White Island Helicopters reportsmen disregarded. Is funny you
could say that column because I think TB three had
that story yesterday. And I don't know whether it's the
increasing segregation of the marketplace in this country given all
the problems we've gotten media, but increasingly I'm following a
number of stories that don't get followed up by anybody else.
In other words, you have to be in the right
place at the right time to see the story. So

(01:15:04):
this guy's Paul Patterson, as the person you refer to,
felt the prosecution have been predetermined, lost faith and work
Safe and later resign and the suggestion being, and I
said it on the program for the last couple of years,
that what work Safe did was wrong. They literally scatter
gun charges all over the place to all and sundry
not in a We've looked exhaustively into your role into

(01:15:29):
this particular tragedy, and we've decided that you need to answer.
It was just like you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,
and you. You can all have charges and we'll go
to court and see. And what they didn't seem to
be cognizant of is that you ruin people's lives by
doing that. And we all know what happened ultimately, and
that has very few people got found guilty. A lot
of people plead guilty, And I've often asked this question.

(01:15:50):
Did you plead guilty because your lawyer said, look, it's
easy to get the hell out of here and just
plead guilty and go or because you genuinely believed you
were guilty. And then there were the people who had
the charges dropped. And it's good that people this closely
involved in it are asking those questions because I think
there should have been some sort of inquiry as to
how they handled it. In other words, work Safe did

(01:16:11):
all the blame and didn't take a lot of the
blame themselves, and they should have. Twenty two minutes away.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
From nine International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, peace
of mind for New Zealand business in Australia state.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Last, very good money to you tell you what this
cf em a thing? I mean the bloke who got
pinged and is gone and what's unfolded in the last
forty eight hours since we last talked, I find us astonishing.
Is it as astonishing in Australia or not. We all
knew what was going on and it was that, But

(01:16:43):
that's what I find astonishing.

Speaker 17 (01:16:46):
Well, when I say we, the Labor Party, certainly state
branches of the Labor Party and probably even federal Labor
knew that this union was pulling on corruption. I mean,
it's just historical. I've written about it in columns forever,
but no one ever did anything about it until this

(01:17:06):
nine newspaper sixty minutes Australia Investigation. What they did is
classical journalism, Mike. They pulled it all together. I mean
there were strands, hears, strands there, things happening in Melbourne,
things happening in Sydney, and they put it all together.
They did a tremendous job on it, and they've just
splashed it out there with pictures, including today a new

(01:17:27):
vision from a police camera hidden in a ceiling of
the cfmu's Sydney office. Now, this is allegedly captured the
New South Wales construction boss Darren Greenfield. I mean, this
is straight out of a Hollywood movie being cast. A
five bundle of cash, five thousand dollars under a table. Now,
this was a suspected kickback deal traded for union backing.

(01:17:50):
It was filmed in June twenty twenty, so it's historical.
As I said, it's been going on forever. Appears to
show a building company owner seeking union support. What does
that mean?

Speaker 22 (01:17:58):
It says, well, you some.

Speaker 17 (01:18:00):
Money where you make sure your union makes look after
me while we're building this block of flats And then
I'm paraphrasing there, but that's what it means. Ten minutes later,
the camera captures images of this Greenfield character allegedly putting
that cash in his desk draw Now it was part
of our joint New South Wales Police an AFP investigation.

(01:18:21):
He was charged in September twenty twenty one. Those charges
are still pending. They haven't been tested before the courts.
His son, Michael Greenfield is the CFM he used assistant secretary.
He was also charged. Now these people are still in
those positions and even though the head of the act
US said on Monday anyone charged should stand down pending

(01:18:43):
the examination of those charges, that's not happened now. The
Premiere of Victoria just Sinta Allen, who was married to
an excf YOU member. She was in charge of all
of those big build projects where the union had their
fingers stuck all over them, and it goes all to
the Federal ALP because of the dollar cash donations that

(01:19:04):
they have taken over the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Year exactly so you get so the letter directors of
an indigenous labor higher firm they write to just cin
to Ellen when she's Victoria's infrastructure Minister. They wait a year,
she doesn't reply. In the ensuing period they get frustrated
and send it off to elbow. Elba doesn't reply. I mean,
how donkey deep are the Labor Party.

Speaker 17 (01:19:25):
In this I know it's just extraordinary and the Premier
has come out twice in our Day one she was
sort of thinking about, you know, scanning people down. Day two,
she's launched some sort of investigation. This will go nowhere.
It'll end up being like the examination to what Daniel
Andrews did during COVID. People won't remember what happened and

(01:19:46):
you know it'll cost me. We've had two Royal commissions
into the trade union movement in general in this country
under the Howard government and then under the Morrison government,
which costs millions of dollars, and nothing ever happened.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
You lie, Is that in part why Dutton and the
Coalition did what they did yesterday in the polls? Is
this a culmination of stuff that's banking up against the government.

Speaker 17 (01:20:08):
It's probably more to do with cost of living and
the debate over renewable energy, in whether going all renewables
will keep the lights on. I think that's probably the situation.
The Labor primary vote, That's that's the key here. It's
down to twenty eight percent and you can't win an
election with the primary vote of twenty eight percent, even
with our preferential voting system, Labor and the coalition of

(01:20:29):
fifty to fifty and fifty five percent of people say
cost of living is the main issue, and thirty percent
of people piled in that result poll. So they're paying
more a month than they're actually earning. Now that's a
frightening statistic in any country.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Having said that, Elbow can't go early on twenty eight, Kenny.

Speaker 17 (01:20:50):
He can't. And so you know, I know I flippedlop
on this, but it's increasingly looking like the old adage
you only go to an election when you think you
can win it. I don't think they can win it
on twenty eight. I don't think they can win it
with a pending interest rate rise. And so we might
be now looking at sometime next May.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Exactly do you reckon Jack Black was really blindsided or
do you think that's just the best he can do
in a very difficult set of circumstances.

Speaker 17 (01:21:15):
He wasn't blind sided him. And you look at the
vision this bloke, Kyle gas Gas is a very appropriate
surname for him. Easy one who said, you know, I
don't miss Trump next time? And Jack Black laughs, So
the Newcastle concert was postponed yesterday. Now we know the
whole tour has been canceled. Jack's going, Oh, it's terrible,

(01:21:36):
It's horrible. We should never have said this. I don't
endorse hate speech. I mean, please give me a bloat break.
The bloke was one of the kyaks at a Joe
Biden fundraising event where George Clooney organized a few weeks ago.
I mean, the sooner Jack Black and his mate Gas
get out of the country, the better will.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
All be see next week? Make Phil steep Price out
of Australia. This morning, I am speaking of music in
the middle of reading articles handed to me by Glenn
who's at headline. How did Fish become so popular? What
kind of person pays to see the band Fish one
hundred and fifty times? So I'm more on that for
you in just a couple of moments. Sixteen to two,

(01:22:16):
the Myke hosting Rexfast thirteen away from nine. By the way,
can I recommend I assume they'll replay it because it
was on Sky Television Australia and I watched it yesterday
and it was a sort of a celebration of the
Australian Newspaper sixtieth anniversary, started of course by Murdoch sixty
years ago, is now ninety three. And he looks I
was looking at him. Was being interviewed was the point

(01:22:37):
of it. And he's very rarely interviewed these days. And
he looked to my eye pretty much every one of
the ninety three years. He's very well groomed, obviously, but
there's something wrong with his voice. And I'm not sure
whether he had a Joe Biden esque type I've been
on a plane, jet lag cold type voice or whether
he's losing his voice. Anyways, at times he was pretty
difficult to understand what he was saying. But one of

(01:22:58):
the artworkings, apart from going through the history of the
Australian newspaper, which is sort of interesting if you follow media,
he reckons newspapers have got fifteen years left at best,
with a lot of luck. He says, fifteen years and
no one, no one knows newspapers better than Rupert Murdock,
with the side with them politically or not. So how
do fish become so popular? They're one of the bands.

(01:23:19):
According to the article by Mark Runyon of concert tour
dot Org, one of the bands who seem to hold
fans in a trance with no hits on the radio. See,
that's my problem. I'm a hit man, I'm a go
to hits guy, and so they got no hits on
the radio. They never had a hit.

Speaker 15 (01:23:32):
Yeah, I just looked up our system here, you know
where we have who plays? Who plays all the music
on all our stations?

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Yeah? Who not?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
So found their fame entirely through the Fish sanctioned exchanging.
The bootleg tapes in the eighties often been compared to
the Grateful Dead in terms of their place in popular culture.
Laid back yet rabid fan base. That's what you want
to be, you want to be rabbit. And yet at
the same time.

Speaker 15 (01:23:56):
I believe they referred to as fishheads in the same
way that Great Pool did. Fans are dead heads.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Okay, it's pretty difficult to settle on one genre for
the It's right, it's not even impossible, says Mark Runian
Top concert to a bottle?

Speaker 15 (01:24:10):
Yeah, I mean, what would you call this.

Speaker 16 (01:24:12):
In in a Viking?

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
I think what kind of person plays to see the
band fish one hundred and fifty times? That was an article.
Another article, this one written by armand Rosen. But it's
not an article You've given me a Glenn twenty nineteen,
so it gives a context. I suppose this is there
is a photo of a fishhead outside Hampton Coliseum in
two thousand and nine, Hampton, Virginia. He appears to be naked,

(01:24:38):
but I.

Speaker 15 (01:24:38):
Had to know. I mean, the photo only goes down
to it does go quite and it goes right now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
It goes down far enough to think he's got no
pants off. He's holding a cup of drink. He's holding
a sign and need tickets please. And he's got a
moose hat on and sunglasses, very poor sunglasses, sort of
dirty dog sunglasses and a moose hat. And he's got
a sign saying need tickets please. And on the other
hand he's got a cup which maybe to he may
be homeless and he's collecting money at the same time,

(01:25:04):
or he maybe it's the thirsty I don't know. Anyway.
The man from whom I bought my ticket had seen
fisho over one hundred and fifty times. Encouragingly enough, he
was an excellent physical shape and had a business and
a wife and multiple kids who were spending the rainy
closing hours of twenty eighteen, a safe and conspicuous distance
from Madison Square gup. So in otherwise, what he's trying
to tell you as they're normal, although they appear not

(01:25:26):
to be normal, they are normal there.

Speaker 15 (01:25:28):
I mean they're playing medicine squeare Garden.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
So doesn't everybody doesn't everybody nine minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
The mic Hosking Breakfast with Jaguar News togs eNB good
news and bad news.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
The good news is in New Zealand got a very
good review. I'm always interested in international reviews of Air
New Zealand service because it's outside eyes looking in. So
this was a flight from and if you take this flight,
by the way out of Australia, you fly from Australia
to Auckland. Auckland to New York. New York is a
very long way away, so you're talking eighteen nineteen hours
worth of flying. Anyway, this person was writing the Sydney
Morning Herald yesterday gave them five out of five stars,
and you think this is incredible. But I'll come back

(01:26:08):
to the bad part of it in a moment. I've
never flown with a crew who seemed to enjoy their
job more than this particular crew, So that's it. I mean,
you can't ask for more than that, can you. And
so so for all the criticism of in New Zealand
gets and I noticed Greg Fornan was quoted yesterday as saying,
some of their delays and all that sort of stuff
need to be tidied up and sort it out. And
I get all of that, but there are people from

(01:26:28):
outside and who suggest that they are the best in
the business at what they do. But then having said that,
this person, Utta Yunka, gave the airline five out of five,
but she was done graded from Australia because the plane
that she was supposed to be on wasn't because they
swapped the plane out, so there's no premium economy for her.
So how it remains five out of five. The entertainment
was okay, her starter on the plane wasn't that good,

(01:26:49):
but it was all right. So with all of that,
is that still I mean, you know, a come old
five out of five is perfect. So when you're downgraded
and the food wasn't that all that flash, that's no
longer perfect. Give it four if you want, because the
service was so fantastic. I don't care. But it's not
five out of five. Do you believe reviews on planes?
I mean, because half these people fly for free anyway,
It's not like they work like the rest of us

(01:27:10):
and pay for it all. Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Trending now with Chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
All year's really famous for, isn't it the service anthem performance?
I've got a good anthem for you this morning. This
is Ingrid Andress, who's doing the world of country music,
a world of fun, power of good. She's at the
baseball home run derby yesterday and she does.

Speaker 15 (01:27:30):
This good broad shape so.

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
Bad for the pairs, fine, oh the re but we
we're so gays.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
And yet's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
That's that partly the pison.

Speaker 26 (01:28:00):
Say yaprol do the night lot of flags?

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Don't go there, don't go there. So she of course
was drunk.

Speaker 26 (01:28:18):
Oh saysto spread.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
She's going for the high lights again?

Speaker 19 (01:28:34):
Or there?

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Was she going to go for the high lights of
the f Was she feeling good when she did in Europe?

Speaker 23 (01:28:45):
A see?

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Do you think she was saying to herself, I am
annahiling this or anyway this morning in what could well
be in overreaction. I don't know she's said, well, she's
obviously apologized to the people, and she's checked herself into rehab.
So it's one thing to have a couple too many
and just cock up the national anthem, but it's it's
to say I'm off to rehab as sort of kind

(01:29:10):
of like Jack Black saying I was completely taken aback
and I didn't see any of that coming, isn't it?
But that showers for your folks. Back tomorrow morning at six.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
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