Full Show Podcast: 17 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Dead be morning and welcome. Coming up, we are going
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You'll be with us after eight must Heather Duplicy elan, Look,
I might be being hopelessly optimistic, but I have got
some hope that we may soon be able to turn
around our abysmal participation in local council elections. Local government
is releasing a report today on how to get us

(00:56):
voting and their idea is pretty simple. Basically, ditch the
postal votes, switch to running council elections like we do
central government elections. It'll be much more expensive, but it
will probably work if we do it, because you are
more likely to be reminded to vote if you see
the Orange man on a booth in your supermarket than
if you lose your voting form in the pile of
papers that's sitting on your kitchen bench. Now, I like

(01:16):
that idea, and I hope we do that idea, But
actually I don't think that this is the game changer.
I reckon the game changer costs us nothing. It's the
fact that ACT is standing candidates and council elections for
the first time this year. What I think really stops
us from voting is not how we vote. It's that
we don't know who the heck the people are who
want us to vote for them, and we do not
have time to research them. But if they say that

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their ACT, or they say that their Labor or the Greens,
it gives us a shortcut and we know roughly what
they stand for. And this, I think is why the
Greens and Labor do disproportionately well at council elections. It
go somewhere to explaining why they constantly take out Wellington
council elections even though they're hopeless at it, because they
are already doing this and ACT is now going to
do it. And I think that's a game changer because

(01:59):
it starts with the pressure on National. The National has
to do it. If National is the last big hold
out here. If they do it, it's on and that
I think will get us voting because then we know
who these people are and also we know who to
hold accountable.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
News of the world. In ninety seconds, Trump.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Had the Bahrain crown Prince on the yellow chairs, but
that pesky Epstein guy just kept on coming up.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
I know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats. It
started to actually look at the Steel Darcier that turned
out to be a total hoax. The fifty one Agency
intelligence so called intelligence agents was a hoax. It's all
been a big hoax.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Trump apparently also polled his lawmakers as to whether he
should fire Jerome Powell or not or is that also
a hoax.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
You need a very smart person for that job. I
think it's one of the easiest jobs in government. You
show up once a month in your banker statement about
where the economy is going and we're going to raise
our lower interest rates. It's probably the easiest job I've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
The Bahrain Crown Prince who to watch all of that
theater was asked about the Middle East after the Iran
Israel conflict.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, I definitely believe that the volatility.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Of the situation has been reduced, and we.

Speaker 6 (03:11):
Didn't know where it was going to go on the Sunday.

Speaker 7 (03:13):
We were very glad when we found out on the Monday.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Let me put it that way, a US citizen has
been caught up in Israel's attacks on the WIS Bank.

Speaker 8 (03:20):
We protect all American citizens anywhere in the world, especially
they're unjustly murdered or killed. So we're gathering more information.
But I hope you saw yesterday, ambassador, how could be
in Israel? Asked the Israelis as the authorities to produce
an investigation and concrete information about who was responsible.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Over in the UK, Kiyostama has had now now had
a guts full of some of his in party revolters.
He suspended four of them to.

Speaker 9 (03:42):
Re further labor MPs have had their roles as trade
envoys taken off them and they are Rosanna Alan Kahn,
Bell Ribero Addi and Mohammad Yassin. They were also active
in the welfare rebellion.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
One of them was Rachel Musquete Mesco, but she doesn't
look like she's going to be taking the suspension lying down.
We've got to.

Speaker 10 (04:03):
Protect those people in our society. I believe that, so
I could not have on my conscience something where we
know that people would take their own lives if they
had insufficiency.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Now, finally, the people of Thanet and Kent are annoyed,
and that is because the Thanet District Council is trying
to completely ban swearing. They're trying to introduce a public
Spaces Protection Order that would see anyone using foul or
abusive language in a manner that is loud or could
cause distress by finding them two hundred and twenty five.

(04:35):
I was going to say thousand, but it's two hundred
and twenty five is enough. Two hundred and twenty five
VIW Zealand dollars on the spot. They also tried it
this time a year ago, but they pulled out their
bid when the Free Speech Union threatened a judicial review.
But an alleged rise and anti social behavior on the
seafront has meant that the Thanet Council wants to try
again and apparently they do not care about the Free
Speech Union this time around. And that is news of

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the world in ninety now. On that business with Trump
and Jerome Powell, what's happened is there's a New York
Times story that says that on Tuesday night he met
with a dozen or so House Republicans and he had
a draft letter in which he fires Jerome Powell. And
he holds this draft left her up to them and
asks them whether he should go ahead and do it.
And when he's polling them, I'm probably going to do

(05:18):
it anyway. So he's sort of, you know, like he's
got the letter there, he's asking their opinions. He's indicated
he's going to do it anyway. He was asked about
it in the Oval Office Wednesday, their time, so you know,
the following day he denies that there is a letter,
but he did confirm that the rest of it basically happened,
and he did poll their thoughts on whether he should
fire Jerome Powell, but he said it's not happening imminently.

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Thirteen past six.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
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Speaker 2 (05:51):
Prince Harry has just been photographed quite unoriginally walking through
Angola's largest minefield, trying to be like his mum. Quarter
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Speaker 3 (06:03):
Is with US Morning, Greek Morning.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Heather've got some more earnings from some of the banks.

Speaker 11 (06:07):
We certainly have them. Some of the banks again bit
of a mixed picture. So Bank of America they had
profit climbing around about three percent from a year ago
to seven point one billion. That was ahead of estimates.
I have a four percent game and revenues twenty six
point six billion. That was actually below expectations. But they've
been the only major US bank thus far is fall
short there just really for that they were talking about

(06:27):
and just threats being lower than a year ago. They
did say the consume was in good shapes. That was
good news, and bad debts are low. She is down
around about one percent. And then we had Morgan Stanley.
They were well ahead of expectations. High trading revenues benefited
there and even come that was up thirteen percent. She
is we're actually down two and a half percent, but
they've had a pretty good run of late and they

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were trading around record high as recently in gold and
sacks they also came out as well, and much like
Morgan Stanley, they've benefited from high trading amidst all the
volatility with a certain person from the White House and
uncertainly over an ever evolving trade situation. So their trading
operations generated eight hundred and forty million dollars in revenue,

(07:09):
more than expected, profit up twenty two percent three point
seven billion, revenues up fifteen percent fourteen point six billion.
That was around about one point one billion more than expected.
Stock trading wise, their revenue sawed thirty six percent. Investment
banking fees they are also up to twenty a deal
making around twenty six percent surge there. She has topped

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slightly lower but up around twenty three percent year today
and just away from the banks here, as I thought,
it was a really interesting result from healthcare giant Johnson
Johnson now as she has soared over six percent. That's
their best day and over a year, very strong result.
Revenues up six percent twenty three point seven billion. Strong
sales are cancer treatments, medical devices earnings up nineteen percent.

(07:54):
They've actually also lifted for your guidance for earnings and
sales growth to investors like that.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, and what about the US producer price inflation numbers?

Speaker 11 (08:03):
Yeah, that's right. So we talked about the CPI, you say,
and it will showed that tariffs are starting to work
their way through the US economy and then impacting some
consumer categories. So what we're looking at overnight is produce
the price inflations. That's prices that are paid at the
factory gate and mettle and we will be pushed down
the lines. This is pretty important as well, some calls
for encouragement here. Wholesale prices are actually unchanged in June

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and that defired forecasts for a bit of a lift
the core CPI that strips out food and energy prices.
That that was also flat as well, and that was
against expectations for a bit of a rise. Good prices
they rose, but it was offset by fall and services.
Although we did see tariffs, sense of the areas impacted
a bit more than others, so there was quite strong

(08:46):
lift in communication equipment for as an example. On annual basis,
the headline PPI is two point three percent. That was
actually down from two point seven percent in May and
for the lowest level since September tweeny twenty four. The
good side called PPI two point six percent. That's the
smallest gain since July twenty twenty four, so actually shows

(09:07):
along the CPI that there's a fairly marginal impact of
the tariffs at this point. But yeah, that could change
the months ahead and often also worth looking at the revisions,
which sometimes is overlocks. You look at MAZE numbers actually
were revised upwards to a point three percent gain, and
that was triple what was initially reported. But you mentioned
Donald Trump, He'll be, no doubt pushing for more, pushing

(09:28):
the line of sort of more rate cuts and sort
of putting the pressure on Jerome Pal. Yeah, it's sort
of he's keeping and guessing, isn't He sort of told
a bunch of Republicans who was going to fire him,
but then he sort of come back and said that
that was highly unlikely. So I suppose your Pal's term
doesn't expire till May next year, so I suppose it's
uncertainly something he's going to have to live for them

(09:48):
and the months ahead, and looking over his shoulder. But yeah,
to his credit he said that decisions will be based
on the data, which is what we like to hear.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Now, fair bit of news from the Kiwi electricity sector own.

Speaker 11 (09:57):
Yeah, that's right. So gosh, it's sucking down outside of
the moment, Warren, But yeah, it has been a very
dry year which has impacted the gent tailors. So we
saw we've seen this over the course of the last
or six months. A sober earnings. There was a couple
of our updates at yesterday, so really NATed the monthly updated. Basically,
the lakes are filling up again after what was a
dry year. So National Hydro storage the year there's it's

(10:20):
gone from ninety four percent one hundred and four percent
of historical averages, South Islands running at ninety five percent,
nor Fine running at one hundred and fifty percent. Dune
inflows are pretty strong and price as though we've picked
up there actually five zero point two percent higher than
a year ago. The customer numbers are almost ten percent are higher.
But look, it was a dry year, and you know,
when our lakes are running low, the sort of gap

(10:41):
has to be filled elsewhere and that was done by
buying more expensive guess calling on hunting and basically asking
the TI smelted to buy less Mirkley. They also had
an update out again this reflected a very dry year.
So the why Katto scheme is saw the lowest annual
generation since nineteen eighty. Lake Taupo has been very low.
That will have been changing of late and also win

(11:02):
generation lower. Both these year prices tick lower and they
have it a tough year. I suppose it's a bit
of a myth. I think that yeah, when mother nature
doesn't play ball, that's this is pushed down the line
to retail customers. Mean, retail electricity prices have been, despite
what you might think when you look at the electricity bill,
relatively stable and this has basically been warned by the
Gentis and you can see this in their ending statement. Nonetheless,

(11:25):
they continue to be in focused regulation wise, and we
had announcement now you see either from the Electricity Authority
and what that basically means is that they're going to
have to offer off peak electricity rates by the end
of by June twenty twenty six, So perhaps not particularly material,
but yeah, it will be good news for those wanting
to take advantage of cheaper off peak power and also

(11:47):
pertains to supply as well, so any of those with
rooftop solar systems will potentially be able to benefit. Orthoy
would still sort of a low level really at around
about three percent of households, but yeah, potentially some good
news for customers there.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Hopefully he give us the numbers.

Speaker 12 (12:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (12:01):
So at the moment, the Dow is up point three percent,
forty four one three nine is P five hundred is
up point one percent, Nazek is up point h five percent,
foot see stepping back from record highs down point one
percent in the UK, and nickuy is flat. ASEX two
hundred down point eight percent in sex fifty we had
a good actually up point five percent twelve seven five

(12:21):
four and Freud a really strong session up three and
a half percent. They've and it added to the ASEX
two hundred index, which basically means we should see more
by nearby institutional shielddels who are focused on the ASSEX
two hundred. Gold gets up thirty dollars three thousand three
and fifty four an ounce, all up eleven cents, sixty
six spots sixty three just in the currencies, Ky flat

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against the US dollar fifty nine point five, down a
bit against the eight dollar ninety one point one, down
point three percent against the British pound forty four point
three against the Japanese year eighty seven point eight with
down point eight percent.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
There good stuff, Greg, Enjoy your morning. That's Greg Smith,
Devon Funds Management. By the way, Greg talking there about
the off peak price of We're going to talk to
the Communs Commission about that after seven. Coming up six
twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
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Speaker 2 (13:11):
I'll tell you what they are really not loving the
tourists in Europe. Portfino is implementing some tourist restrictions. Joe
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Speaker 1 (13:21):
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Speaker 2 (13:26):
Loving the conspiracy theories at the moment. For about a
year ago, the right leaning American ex Brigade have been
convinced that Barrick and Michelle Obama are separated. You'll have
heard this all right, They've broken up. They were both
busy and attending various events without the other person, and
that was enough to set off the rumor mill. So
when Barack was a guest on Michelle's podcast, it was
the first thing mentioned when he walked into the room.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Wait, you guys like each other?

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh yeah, really, that's the rumor mill. Now, don't start.

Speaker 13 (14:02):
I can't.

Speaker 14 (14:03):
It's so nice to have you in the same room.

Speaker 13 (14:08):
I know, because when we aren't, folks think we're divorced.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
These are the kinds of things I just miss.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
So I don't even know this stuff's going on.

Speaker 12 (14:17):
Brad.

Speaker 15 (14:18):
There hasn't been one moment in our marriage where I
thought about.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Quentin, my man. I have become a better person because
of the man I'm married to.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Okay, don't make me cry, now, that.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Is a lie. That is a lie. Everybody who's ever
been married has thought about whether you still want to
be married for just one hot minute, haven't you come on,
Michelle anyway? Never mind that conspiracy. That's over. Now we
can get back to talking about the Epstein One. Also
going to talk about the National Library, beenning a bunch
of religious texts next.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Setting and talking the biggest Thank use Heather dupathy Allen
on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vida Retirement, Communities, life,
your Way News, togsa'd be just give you a little.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Update on what's going on with the vapes in Australia,
because we've got such a problem here it might be
worth looking at what they are doing. They reckon that
their vape ban is going really well. It's a year now,
slightly more than a year actually where they decided to
ban the stuff from being able to be bought over
the counter. You have to go get a prescription and stuff.
They reckon it's working. They have seen a big drop
off in the number of school age kids using the vapes.
Fourteen to seventeen year olds. The rates were about seventeen

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and a half percent. They've dropped down to fourteen zero
point six percent. This is from the start of twenty
twenty three to April this year, so over a couple
of years. Officials have seized more than ten million illegal
vapes as well, and they say they're now turning a
corner twenty two away from.

Speaker 9 (15:49):
Seven Cowboys Out.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
The National Library is planning another color of its books
this time. What's making it a bit controversial is that
quite a few of the books a key religious texts.
You're talking the Bible, around the Torah, the Book of Mormon.
They're among about half a million books being dumped to
save a million dollars a year in storage costs. Peter
Lynam is a professor emeritus of Religion and History at
Massi University and with us.

Speaker 16 (16:11):
Good morning, Peter, good morning, how are you.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I'm very well, thank you. Do you mind the shredding
of the religious books?

Speaker 16 (16:19):
Well, I don't mind particularly, but my goodness, religions do mind.
You know, there is a whole set of books talking
about how properly to dispose of worn out religious texts.
And for example, Muslims who suspect that somebody has destroyed

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a Quran are likely to kill the person for their misbehavior.
And Jews have a special part of the cemetery in
which properly you should bury the books with a set ritual.
And for the Sikhs, it's a very remarkable story. They

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believe that their sacred scriptures are the living leader of
the church, so you must not on any account I
suppose of them.

Speaker 15 (17:13):
You know, I could go on.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's quite a story, okay, in which case should the
National Library be offering them to the religions themselves, these
books and say you can rehome.

Speaker 16 (17:22):
Them yes, I think that's essential. I mean I am
scandalized by the whole behavior of the National Library treating
our National Library effectively as a sort was second rate library.
It doesn't need to have everything, and I think it's
essential to preserve the books anyway, but for sacred texts

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they must be treated with great care and reverence. And
I mean the attitude of book van de Belden who
made the comment, what was it that, oh, well, this
is a secular country, so we can do what we
want too with them. Well, that's that's the source of
all the problems of tensions between religions, when we fail

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to recognize we may be secular. That doesn't make us
careless about other people. Very good, strongly, hopefully good point.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
But just on the idea that we need to hold
every kind of book that we have currently, I mean,
it's a global world now, right, should we not actually
be specializing in New Zealand books? And if you really
really want to get your hands on something that is
available elsewhere and you're research and you travel elsewhere.

Speaker 16 (18:31):
Well, for start. The amazing thing is over the Generations
Financial Library compiled a remarkable set of books that made
us an international library By saying that we're only going
to preserve New Zealand books, we're saying that all that
we care about is our own culture and failing to
recognize that in most cases we're a derivative culture. You know,

(18:55):
we are depended upon other things. Yes, I quite agree
that a great thing that has happened in recent years
is the scanning of texts so that they are very
readily available to the scholar and the researcher. But there
is nothing.

Speaker 15 (19:12):
Like the real book.

Speaker 16 (19:12):
I can tell you. I love the National Library.

Speaker 17 (19:15):
I just love.

Speaker 16 (19:16):
Going in and drawing upon its huge resources.

Speaker 18 (19:19):
Yeah, brilliant.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
It's lovely to talk to you, Peter. You look after yourself.
Peter Lyne and Professor Emeritus of Religion and History at
Massive University. Incidentally, I actually think that I may have
about three of Peter's books at my house and I
don't know where they are, so I'm not going to
discuss it with him. I had to borrow some religious
texts from him to do a bit of study, and
then I don't think I gave them back anyway. Maybe

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he'll get in touch with me after this. Are we
really that first?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
By this?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Come on? I mean, look, I don't want to be.
I don't want to be dumping on anybody else's religion.
I'm speaking from a Christian point of view, right, But
I mean the other day one of the cousins turned
up with a kid's Bible and I looked at it
and it was tatty, and I thought, when you turn around, mate,
that's going straight in the bin, right, Because I mean,
I just go down the road by another Bible if
I want one.

Speaker 7 (20:06):
Anyway, I quite like the idea of a fifty story
building full of books. That's that's quite cool.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah, it's very modern. That off the table now eighteen
away from seven the Mike.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
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Speaker 5 (20:22):
It be.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Goodness. I don't know if you've been following. Look, I
know the answer I was going to say, I don't
know if you've been following the local Government New Zealand conference.
And the answer is obviously no, because you've got a
life and you're not a nerd and you don't hate yourself.
But it is my job too, so I did it
for you. And let me tell you, things got tense
there yesterday. I'm going to run you through those details
at some stage. I don't know if they love Chris Bishop,

(20:45):
but I would say probably not. But anyway, one of
the things that's come out is that they're basically saying
to councils, now, stop all of your regional and district planning.
We're changing the laws. Don't waste your time. Were and
talk about that. After seven, it's quarter.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
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mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Joe McKenna is with us out of Italy. Halo Joe,
good money, Heather. So, would you say the last thousand days,
which is obviously Maloney in office, have been the best
days of your life?

Speaker 19 (21:14):
Well, Georgia Maloney, the Italian Prime Minister, might say that
it's been a harrowing, intense time for her, but I
think she's done a pretty good job because her popularity
really hasn't waivered that much. I was looking at her
party popularity. It's still quite strong at twenty eight percent.
She's almost in office now for three years. She's published

(21:34):
her biography and it's now available in English. It's called
I Am Georgia, and that's also an interesting look at
her life. She's had a very rough childhood, she's grown
up with a single mother, she's now a single mother,
and I think Italians seem to think she's doing a
pretty good job.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, and what are they basing that on. Well, I think.

Speaker 19 (21:55):
The fact that their stability is a great thing in
her favor. She's managed to hold together a government coalition.
They love the fact that she got rid of government
subsidies for unemployed citizens and what was called the super Bonus,
which was a tax benefit for home renovations that boosted
the economy, but it also boosted the government debt. So

(22:15):
she got rid of things like that and people saw
that as a great.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Move, a tough gesture.

Speaker 19 (22:21):
But of course now she has to negotiate the tariffs
with the US President Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
I can't imagine people are going to be thrilled about
the idea though, that ten thousand prisoners get released.

Speaker 14 (22:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (22:33):
I think that's also a very controversial issue for this government.
The Justice Ministry said that it might release up to
ten thousand people from prison. A lot of controversy here
about overcrowded prisons. The rate seems to be one of the.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Worst in Europe.

Speaker 19 (22:48):
A level of occupancy of around one hundred and twenty
two percent, which means there are a lot of prisoners
with not a lot of space in there. So I
think it's going to be a controversial issue if they
do allow serious offenders out. They say that they won't,
but let's wait and see, and I don't think it's
going to happen tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Okay, So what's port Afino actually doing.

Speaker 19 (23:12):
Port Afino is one of visually's most exclusive resort towns,
very popular with the ips and Hollywood stars. It seems
like every summer they introduce a new move to stop
people from having a good time. It's now forbidden to
walk around barefoot, shirtless or in swimsuits. You're not allowed
to beg camp or drink alcohol on the street. It's

(23:37):
not a lot of fun, is it. They say that
it's important to introduce these prohibitions to make it easier
for everybody.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
But then on the other hand, okase, so hating the tourists,
but then also trying to protect the tourists from the pickpockets. Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 19 (23:51):
This is a big issue, as many New Zealanders will
know if they've traveled to Italy. Many of the big
tourist hotspots like Rome, Venice, Milan Naples are targeting the pickpockets.
The mayors want tougher laws, national laws to stop them
from recruiting the young kids under the age of fourteen.

(24:12):
Now they do that to try and escape prosecution because
the younger ones have are less likely to be ending
up in jail or prosecuted in the courts, and the
mayors want to do something about that to clamp down
on these pickpockets, which are having a bit of a
field day at the moment.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, and have for such a long time. Joe, thank
you very much, appreciate it, Joe Head, Italy correspondent. So
governments decided, thank the Good Lord for that, to kill
the open open plan classroom thing that we've been doing
for unknown reasons. We have been persisting with this ridiculous idea,
and they've decided we're going to go back to the

(24:49):
single classrooms like the old days. Shirley Boys High has
already done this. Now Shirley Boy's High. Was am I
overstating it to say they're wanted the poster child children
of this, but I feel like they were back in
twenty nineteen being damaged by the earth quake and they've
got the rebuild going in twenty nineteen, and the Ministry
of Education said, if we're going to do it, let's
do the open planet and went ahead with it because

(25:10):
the Ministry of Education was shoving it down everybody's throat.
Did it for six years and then we're like, hm,
this is not working. They asked, They asked the kids.
They did like a bit of a survey of kids
and teachers and parents, and everybody hated it so overwhelmingly
that they decided to put the walls back up, and
it cost them a small fortune for a school. Eight
hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money. Immediate results,

(25:33):
hugely positive feedback, said the principal staff. On the first day,
absolutely thrilled. One of our teachers was hugging the walls
in her classroom because she was so thrilled to have wolves.
The boys are just much happier going to speak to
that principle after seven o'clock. I mean, who would have
thought that silence promotes concentration to hang on?

Speaker 7 (25:50):
When I was in Space five at Fendlton Primary in
the seventies, when Robert Muldoon was Prime Minister. Yes, whose
fault was that that I was in an open planning classroom.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Then well, the Ministry of Education, because everything is the
Ministry of Education's fault, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
So I'm just trying to figure out which bit of
the past we're going back to. Obviously you won't know how.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Old school this is. Oh, this is pre glen Old School,
this is nineteen fifties, this is this is the good days,
the healcion days of Winston Peter's type.

Speaker 17 (26:20):
You know.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
So we're going to be giving people the strap again.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
And we're going to make make New Zealand education system
great again. Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
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Vida Retirement Communities News Dogs head be.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Heather, We've just pulled our two girls out of an
open planned school. Was so relieved with our decision, even
had teachers at the school we were leaving telling us
we've made the right choice. We are now at a
private school, but it's money well spent, Heather. I just
want to clarify for people that open planned schools are
nothing new. I taught in one in nineteen seventy seven
and I couldn't wait to leave because it was it
was absolute chaos Back then probably teaching Glenn actually six

(26:58):
away from seven.

Speaker 7 (26:59):
I think that's more related to me than I thought,
so robably, all.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
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Speaker 1 (27:07):
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Speaker 2 (27:11):
Hey, here's a quick look at our real estate market
and who's buying thanks to the cotality buyer classification data
for June. Over the last three months to June I
EQ two, the trends that we were seeing in Q
one have mostly stuck. First home buyers make up twenty
six percent of property purchases in Q two, so that
is staying at around our record high levels, which is

(27:32):
brilliant for them. It's actually our major cities leading the
way for the first home buyers as well. In Wellington,
thirty six percent of all homes bought in Q two
were by first home buyers. That's despite Wellington's exorbitant prices
historically Hamilton thirty two percent, Auckland twenty nine percent, christ
Church and Dunedin twenty seven percent. So who make up

(27:53):
the rest of the buyers will MPOs are back on
the rise. That's mortgaged multiple property owners. They bought twenty
three percent of homes in Q two, which is up
slightly on Q one and just behind the long term
average of twenty five percent. And looking at the MPOs,
it's those with a portfolio of less fewer than four
properties that are contributing the most to the rise. That's
the category where typically the mum and dad investors sit,

(28:14):
those who buy a home for their kids, so technically
it's on their housing portfolio. How good is that? Brilliant news.
Just a quick update on Emma Walt Watson. I don't
know why I'm telling you this. I think it's because
I'm surprised that Emma's a bad person. Well sort of.
She's the one who played Hermione Granger in the Harry
Potter films. She's lost her license for six months because

(28:35):
she was speeding, got herself a Blue Houdy, went too
fast driving around Oxford. She's driving around Oxford. That's how
many demerit points she already had, so then she got
another demerit point, then took the license off her. Anyway,
she's driving around in Oxford because, just like in the movie,
she's very clever. She's doing a master's degree in creative writing.
Well done her. Now, Chris Bishop, so he turns up
at the local geeze. That looked uncomfortable. I mean imagine

(28:57):
going to somebody's conference and then just standing on the
stage and telling them are crappy. They are, But this
is what the Nats are not afraid of doing this
at the moment. Second year in a row, they've gone
hard on these guys. So Chris Bishop goes to the
Council yesterday the Council's conference yesterday, gave a speech. He
says to them, we are getting our house in order.
It's time you saw to jaws out. It's okay to

(29:17):
build a local road without spending hundreds of thousands on artworks.
Not everything you do has to be an architectural masterpiece.
The only awards that your project should be winning up
for cost, efficiency and effectiveness. The time for excuses is over.
The culture of yes starts now. They did not love it.
In fact, I think one of them might have piped
up and given them a bit of lip over that.

(29:38):
But we love it and that's what matters right where
the people paying their bills, paying the rates. And I
loved hearing that. Anyway, we're going to talk about that
after seven. Also Sunny Koschel, he runs the Crime Advisory
Group for the counts, for the government. It is costing.
It's been around one hundred days, cost us half a
million dollars already. He will explain soon. News Talk zb.

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Speaker 2 (30:12):
Good morning to you. In another education revent, the government's
announced open plan classrooms are gone and we're going back
to single classes. At Cheerley Boys High School, they spent
eight hundred thousand dollars changing their open plan spaces back
to single cell rooms after poor performance. And Tim Grocott
is the headmaster and with us now morning.

Speaker 13 (30:29):
Tim, oh, good morning here that.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Why didn't it work for you guys?

Speaker 13 (30:34):
I think for us we just found the distractions were
too great. It was too noisy, too much going on.
Boys struggle to focus on the learning that was in
front of them, and our teachers just found the same. Basically,
it was hard to keep the boys engage in those areas.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Have you seen a turnaround since you put the walls
back up? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (30:54):
Absolutely, people are just much happier you know, we we
haven't had enough of an opportunity to sort of measure achievement,
but certainly we're seeing some really good engagement from the
boys and people just really happy to be in spaces.
Our teachers have just been able to set up their
own rooms. I've got a bit of ownership over their space,
look after it better. All of those sorts of things

(31:16):
have been really good, along with really positive teaching, the
student relationships, you know, which is really key for us
in the Boys school.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I see that some schools are not entirely happy with this.
They still want some flexibility. They want to be able
to have the open plan. Why would a school want
open plan at all?

Speaker 13 (31:37):
Look, I'm not one hundred percent sure why that would be.
I guess that the flexibility of how you use spaces
and doing different things. I guess that's what they're looking for.
If I think about our context, you know, we're a
secondary school. We teach individual subjects. Therefore, having individual rooms

(31:59):
to teach in is with one teacher, that's absolutely crucial
and for us, particularly with the way the curriculum is developing,
that's going to be even more crucial. So that for us,
that was just an absolute no brainer.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
I mean, I know that boys really really need to concentrate.
Is it different at co ed schools and girls schools.

Speaker 13 (32:21):
In terms of the classrooms?

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (32:24):
How look, there will be a max I mean christ
Chuch is probably different because of the christ Church rebuilt.
There will be a mixture of spaces. But for schools
that were designed and built around that twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
twenty seventeen period, most of those schools will have elements
of modern learning.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
What I was asking Tim, is it I know that
boys need a single classroom to concentrate, right, They really
need to be able to not be distracted. What about girls?

Speaker 13 (32:55):
I think probably there is a difference, a slight difference,
but a difference between the way that boys and girls learn.
I think that in the teenage years, the girls certainly
have that stronger ability to concentrate and to focus on
the task in front of them. Boys need far more structure.
Girls are able to learn better independently, And what we're

(33:17):
finding is that the boy that structure that can be
provided in an individual room is really helpful. But having
said that that, there will be a mixed ride across
boys and girls. There will be girls who would be
loving being in individual spaces as well.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, totally, Tim, really appreciate your time to look after yourself.
That's Tim Grocott, headmaster at Shirley Boys High School.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Heaver do for CELA.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Government has ordered counsels to stop working on their regional plans.
They say it is pointless given that the plans are
being made under the current ROMA and the RMA is
about to be rewritten. Janet Campbell is the chair of
the RMA Expert Advisory Group. Morning Jeanette, Good morning, Heather. Now,
I know it's going to likely vary from council to counsel,
but on average, how much of a council's work is
wrapped up and designing the plan and then holding the

(34:00):
hearings and so on.

Speaker 20 (34:02):
Oh, there's a very large workload that councils hold to
advance plans. So this will remove a lot of unnecessary
work from council's books.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
What would you reckon ten percent, thirty fifty percent?

Speaker 20 (34:17):
Oh I'm not one hundred percent sure, Heather, but my
gut feeling would be that it would be at least
fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Wow. Really okay, Well, in which case we're going to
have people sitting around like a lot of people sitting
around potentially twiddling their thumbs for the next couple of years,
aren't they.

Speaker 20 (34:32):
No doubt that very much. We've got a reform coming
that's going to require a lot of work from councils.
It's going to be a big job to get ready
for and implement the new system that is coming. And
I think councils will certainly not be twiddling their thumbs.
They'll be doing a lot of thinking and work.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Are you into the idea of having twenty zones that
are used around the country and councils can pick from
one of those zones?

Speaker 20 (34:58):
Look, I love the Minister's optimism about twenty zones. I'm
not sure whether we can pull it off, at least
perhaps not in one hit we've got I can't remember
the number, but over a thousand at the moment, and
that certainly can.

Speaker 15 (35:12):
Be very much reduced.

Speaker 20 (35:14):
I'd love to see twenty zones or something really close
to it.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Ye, why can't we have as few as twenty zones?

Speaker 20 (35:20):
Oh, maybe I'm just unambitious this early in the morning, Heather,
It just I don't know.

Speaker 15 (35:28):
We did have a big reduction.

Speaker 20 (35:30):
In zones when we had the Auckland Supercity come together
and we had a lot of wrangling over, for example,
different residential zones, and that I think has ultimately been
really successful in his really simplified things.

Speaker 15 (35:41):
So maybe we will. Maybe I'm just not.

Speaker 20 (35:44):
Yet, since he's not well caffeinated enough with you wanting to.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Get yourself a cup of coffee and start to feel
the vibes. Jeanette Campbell, RMA, Expert Advisory Group che If
you don't know what I'm talking about with the zones,
I will explain very shortly. Thirteen past seven ether do
for cels dart out this morning shows that if you
you've got a job, you're probably earning more than you
ever have. The national average salary is now seventy three thousand,
eight hundred and twenty three. That's up one point five

(36:09):
percent on last year. Wellington is Water Surprize given the
public Service. The highest paid region average salary seventy six,
eight hundred and fifty one, so that's about three three, yeah,
three thousand more than the average. All regions have been
pretty flat or going up in terms of their salaries,
except for Taranaki which went down. But here's the thing.

(36:32):
If you're looking for work, you are fighting over some
of the lowest number of listings ever. Job listings on
trade me in the quarter were down seventeen point seven
percent year on year. That's for every region that experienced
Every region experienced a decrease worse than the main centers,
particularly in the CBDs. Auckland went down five point eight,
Wellington down two point seven, Canterbury down two point three.
It was Hawke's Bay though, that went down the biggest,

(36:55):
biggest decrease thirty six percent decrease in listings. This is
the second lowest number of job listings on trade me
ever recorded. Basically, what it means is if you score
a job, you're going to be earning more than ever.
But good luck scoring one.

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Speaker 2 (37:15):
There is a rumor from across the ditch that RTS
is going to sign with the Saudi Rugby League and
that he is going to double his pay packet. He's
paid about five fifty or something like that, five hundred
and fifty thousand dollars by the Warriors. But if he
goes over to the saudis it might be over a million.
So we're going to talk to the foot and he's
not the only league player they're targeting. Apparently, we'll talk
to for m keew. He's captain Richie Barnett. Closer to
eight o'clock, it's seventeen past seven. Now there's a bit

(37:38):
of heat on the government's Retail Crime Advisory Group, you know,
the outfit. It's made up of the retailers who are
giving the government ideas on how to tackle the crime
that's going on in the stores. Turns out the group
has existed for one hundred days and it's cost the
taxpayers around five hundred thousand dollars. Sunny Caucil is the
chair of the group with us.

Speaker 18 (37:55):
Now morning Sonny, Really good morning head Now.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Sunny, this is a lot of money for one hundred days,
isn't it, Heather.

Speaker 18 (38:04):
Actually, we are under budget.

Speaker 11 (38:06):
You know.

Speaker 18 (38:06):
The great thing about our group is that we are
funded out of the Pursuits of Crime Fund. That means
we are funded by the money seized from the criminals
and gangs. So we are spending day money.

Speaker 17 (38:19):
You know.

Speaker 18 (38:19):
Our group Minstial Advisory Groups of budget for the full
year is one point eight million dollars. So we are
we are we are truly under budget. You know, year ending,
we have under spent and saved over three hundred and
sixty one thousand dollars, so we are well under budget.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
To be fair, if you if you spend every month
at the rate that you're spending at the moment, you
will come over budget because it will hit it will
hit two million when your budget is one point eight.
But let's have a look at what this money spent on.
Personnel costs of what three hundred and thirty thousand dollars,
what's that?

Speaker 18 (38:53):
So the majority of our costs come from the team
of legal policy and policy experts have engaged and we
need to deliver evidence based and professional advice. If we
have uh, we are going to get the government to
listen to our proposal. And I'm really part of the
rook that we done.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Who are these people?

Speaker 18 (39:13):
So the people are the the legal team, the the
the policy people. Yeah, so we have to you know,
we have to deliver the proposals which are evidence based,
which are independent, well, which are international.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Part Here's the thing. We pay people already in various
departments and minister's officers to be these policy people. So
which policy people are you paying?

Speaker 18 (39:40):
This is for the Ministry Advisory group we have. We
have a separate entity, you know. Otherwise no need to
set up a ministerial advisory group if the existing agencies
and all were able to deliver what we have deliving.
Now you know we we are you have see this
is the Administry has said the this Mistrial Advisory Group

(40:01):
is the most productive group in New Zealand history.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
You know, you're getting off a bit off track here.
The question was who are these people? Can you tell?
Can you give me a name?

Speaker 18 (40:11):
Yeah, not the names, you know. I mean we have
the the policy manager, we have the policy team you
know who go into those policies. They're experts in their
various fields, like the criminal law specialists. And then we
have the the consultants.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Sonny, I love your ideas, and I think your ideas
are good, but they are ideas that have been that
you have been pitching for a long time. I just
feel like this just feels like a money go around,
doesn't it. It's it's people just getting some easy coin.

Speaker 18 (40:40):
No, Heather, I wouldn't agree on that one. This is
money well spent.

Speaker 17 (40:44):
You know.

Speaker 18 (40:44):
A tail crime in New Zealand is costing two point
eight billion dollars. You know, shop listing itself is costing
New Zealanders one point four billion dollars annually. Then there's
a human cost to retail crime. These are the costs
I'm worried about. You know, if we have to deliver
the quality reports, if we have to get the law
change which have not been changed as old as from

(41:05):
one hundred and twenty seven years, we need to come
up with quality reports. And hither I encourage everyone to
look up the reports to see how comprehensive they are.
They're all available online.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Sonny, thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Sunny Corcial,
Chair of the Retail Crime Ministerial Advisory Group. It's not
nice to talk about people's pay packets, but I'm going
to do it anyway, Sonny. Sonny has been paid ninety
thousand dollars I think, which is over one hundred days.
Not bad, not bad because it's nine hundred dollars a day.
So and if you carry that on, that's three months pay.

(41:38):
You carry that on four times, three hundred and sixty
thousand dollars a year. Seven twenty one.

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I've said it before, I'm going to say it again.
Erica is this government's MVP most Valuable player for once
again taking an inexplicably stupid thing that we were doing
in schools, ditching it and going back to common sense. Now,
this is something very close to my heart at the
moment because I have to make a decision in kind
of roughly the next six months or so about which
school we send our son to. But it really isn't

(43:19):
a decision at all, because it's going to be the
one school in the area that has single classes instead
of open plan modern learning spaces. It is the school
that his best friend from KINDI is going to. It
is also the school that another parent I know has
just sent their child to, And all of us are
doing it for exactly the same reason, which is we
want to avoid those open planned learning spaces because we know,

(43:40):
like most parents do. I would say that if you
stick a hundred kids in a big room and tell
them to pay attention to the teacher in front of them,
they can't. They get distracted by the loud noises coming
from the other kids over there, or the TV over there,
or what the teacher is saying over there, or why
someone's laughing over there. There's just a hundred distractions all
the time. Why the Ministry of Education forced this on
schools will probably baf me for the rest of my

(44:01):
life because there's no logic to it. No one who
has kids, will spends time with kids, can really believe
that kids can concentrate and learn when there are a
hundred voices chirping around them. Which idiot came up with this?
I'd actually love to know. Just to settle me, I'll
tell you what the legacy of this government could well
be that it finally turns around. Are up to now

(44:21):
decades long decline in education stats with that ban on
phones in schools, with the hour a day of reading,
writing and maths, with the expectation that kids must pass
existing standards, and actually gives our kids a chance to
learn as well as other kids in any other developed
country like we used to. And if that happens, then
Erica Stanford, given how crucial education is to a country success,
Erica Stanford will remain as I see her, the MVP

(44:43):
of this government if not of the decade, if not
of her generation, I ever do for see have slightly
run out of time to deal with his zonees thing,
but I will do it with you shortly, can I
Is anybody else as surprise as I am to find
out that we don't have off peak pricing for the elector.
I thought if you put your dryer on it midday,
you're paying less than seven to nine. Apparently not anyway,

(45:05):
We'll talk to the Commerce Commission about that very shortly.
And Lockie Hayes. If you love country, the boy from
Tokanui might be something that you enjoy. He's with us
after eight.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
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Speaker 2 (45:42):
Be Hither the open playing classes is another experiment that's
cost the country hundreds of millions of dollars in cost
student learning, which is far worse. I'd agree that hither
the sunny Cocial deal does not sound like the best deal. No,
it does not at all sound like a fantastic deal.
I just I bristle at the idea that free. I
bristle at how we do this?

Speaker 15 (46:00):
Right?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Free ideas are free? Why are you paying for them?
These were ideas that were around before. Anyway, Now zones,
let me quickly run you through this. So how this
works in this country is under the RMA. You've got
a bunch of zones, right, and the zones determine how
you build in each zone. Each zone has got its
own rules for how you build something or what you
do with resources or whatever. We have got one thousand

(46:22):
plus zones in New Zealand. In Japan, which is a
similar size and geography to ours and a population twenty
five times bigger, they have thirteen zones, thirteen versus our
one thousand plus. The idea is that we pick twenty
zones and then we say to councils, here's twenty zones.
You choose which one you want. You stick with? That
that sounds to me like a really good idea, much

(46:44):
less confusing, don't you think? Twenty two away from it?

Speaker 15 (46:47):
Come back?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
There are changes coming that might bring your power build down.
The electricity Authority is forcing big power companies to offer
cheaper prices at off peak times and also pay better
prices to solar users who feed power back into the grid. Now,
this comes after a report involving the COMMUS Commission. In
the chair of the ComCom Dottor John Smallers with us
Morning John, Good morning Heather. I was under the impression

(47:09):
that we pay less off peak. How is this not
the case.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
Well, the wholesale market prices are cheaper off peak, but
retail prices are different. They're determined by what retailers offer.
And what this is really doing is saying all big
retailers have to offer plans that.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Look like this, okay, and how much less do they
need to charge us off peak?

Speaker 6 (47:33):
That's not specified. It's just all of specified is that
every retailer has to have a plan that varies by
peak and off peak. And that's then obviously it's not
compulsory for people to use that. People will pick those
up if they want them. But the idea is that
they have to be offered.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
But what if they do something tricky like they offer
it at two percent less or something like that.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
The theory that is thelying this is essentially that they'll
they'll compete with each other and people will look across them.
You know, if If this doesn't work out as planned,
then obviously regulators have to think about what comes next.
But that's the basic idea. Give them an opportunity, make them,
make them compete in this way and see how it goes, and.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
How much do you anticipate people will be able to.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Save we I don't have that modeling. The Outrist Authority
has some modeling of that. But look, it's just directionally
the right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
I think either I would agree with that totally. By
the way, how much are they going to pay the
solar that the people who are feeding electricity back through
their solar power.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
Again, that's not that's a that's a principal based regulation
that it has to be done. This one is actually
running through the lines companies, so they're the ones who
have to put a negative price through to the retailers
were something gets passed on, So a little bit of
of supply chain there. But again the idea is you

(49:04):
have to do this because it is saving you capital,
so you must you must pay for it.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Listen on the supermarkets and the and the charges that
were laid earlier this week, Can you explain what you
guys are alleging happened between Gilmore's and the supplier.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
Uh yeah, I'll have yes.

Speaker 15 (49:23):
Sure.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
Look the supplier, uh And there's a supplier and a
customer and both of them have trade with first Us
and Gilmore's. The the supplier and the customer struck a
direct deal. So it was just you know, i'll sell

(49:46):
directly to you. And and when Gilmores and bird Stars
found out about that, they weren't very happy and they
wanted the trade rooted through them. H And that's what
ended up happening.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Well, how did they manage to get what they want?

Speaker 6 (50:05):
They have ways of persuading people about these things.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Did they threaten allegedly?

Speaker 6 (50:11):
Well, I mean, look that this will come out in court.
But the phrase have produced in the media release is persuaded.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Okay, what what? Why did you use the phrase persuaded?
I feel like there's more to the story, John.

Speaker 6 (50:24):
Oh, there is, but it's before it is. You know,
it's a really interesting case. It's a very important case
for us because you know, it's one where the interaction
between supermarkets and suppliers is going to be ventilated. So
it's a landmark case, but it is before the courts,
and so you know, I think we'd better just let

(50:45):
those facts converge at that point.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
This is the allegation that has been made now by
suppliers for some time, right that there is a lot
of heavying going on by the supermarkets and so they
basically have their businesses screwed. And would you say that
if this is proven, This is what we're talking about.
This is what the supply as a saying.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
This is exactly what the suppliers have been saying to
us for a long time, and we've been we've long
been concerned about it.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
And does it affect what I pay at the supermarket?

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Not this particular case, but in general it could do.

Speaker 21 (51:16):
Okay, so well, it's restriction of competition perfectly. So if
this conduct was widespread, then it would be it would
be restrictive.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Okay, looking forward to seeing that hit the courts. Really
appreciate your time, John. That's John Small, the Chair of
the Commerce Commission. Yesterday this time we were speaking to
Sonny Bill Williams. He was pretty he is feeling pretty
cock I hope wasn't he he was?

Speaker 15 (51:41):
You got it.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
He got smashed. Paul Gallon won the fight. To be fair,
actually to say he got smashed is not fair because
it was close. One judge gave it to Sonny Bill
Williams seventy four to seventy seven. The other judge gave
it to Gallon seventy four seventy seven, so at that
point they matched. Third judge is the tiebreaker, gives it
to Gallon seventy six to seventy five, one point difference.
One point difference because in the seventh round, Sunny Bill

(52:04):
Williams is doing a bit of clinching and that's what
lost it for him.

Speaker 7 (52:07):
Yeah, he's just a man who hugs too much.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Just is a lover, not a fighter. Sixteen away from
eight The Vice.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Asking Breakers Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
At Me, Heather, I have off peak power, Heather, I
get fourteen cents from twenty what fourteen cents to twenty
eighth fourteen cents to twenty eight percents per unit for
peak power. Lord, how about just understanding how to read English? Heather,
You're absolutely making steffup stuff up for sensationalism. Actually, by
the way, on that to the various Texters who have

(52:41):
over the last two weeks taken special time out of
their day to text me to tell me that I'm
a know nothing bozo hoose. Interview with the Minister Scott
Simpson got quoted in the Banking Select Committee yesterday Heather diplicy.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Ellen, is it not the affected period rather than it's
not over the life of the whole own it's just
that period when the information is incorrect, Minister Simpson, No,
who was right? Sadly this highlights a lack of understanding.
The interviewer was right and the Minister was wrong.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Just have that put on the record, right, Thanks, That's right.
It turns out I do know one thing about one
very technical thing, which is a piece of legislation that
may be retrospectively what I know. You're not interested, but hey,
listen by the way, if you are interested in this,
because this is important. What is going on here is
that the government is passing some legislation Scotsimson obviously passing
some legislation that will probably stop a case a class action.

(53:35):
The class action is being taken against two banks A
and Z and ASB because A, n Z and ASB
stuffed up some things and they owe people in this country.
They haven't actually ruined your life, but they have broken
the rules and so they are obliged to pay these
fines and the class actions coming after them for the fines.
Government's going, let's help the let's help those Aussie banks

(53:56):
out and stop the class action by passing the law.
And it's really weird and people people sort of people
can't quite understand why the government wants to do this,
because that law was there for a reason. But anyway,
Yesterda at the Select Committee, the new development on it
is that the plaintiffs have offered a settlement to the
banks of three hundred million dollars or thereabouts and the
banks have called a distunt and declined. Ever dopers Now,

(54:19):
I am pretty hot on having the social media band
for kids under the age of sixteen because it's rotting
their brains and I think it is. It is one
of the worst things that we're doing to them at
the moment. One of the strongest arguments against that is
that it is impossible to ban kids from that. You
cannot ban people from stuff on the Internet because you
cannot verify ages. Well, actually you can, and this has

(54:41):
been around for a long time. Reddit is now doing
it in the UK because what's happened in the UK
is they have passed the law. They now require websites
showing mature content like pawn or whatever to verify ages
of people before people can look at it. So Reddit
has employed a third party. This group is co Persona,
and Persona is going to do the age checking for them. Basically,

(55:03):
if you want to use Reddit in the UK, you
go online, it sends you to Persona. You then show
Persona your selfie or a photo of your government ID
like passport or driver's license or whatever, and Persona then
goes yep, absolutely, Glenn is over the age of eighteen.
Glenn can look at the stuff Bengo. Then you go
back to Reddit. You've got the token verifying you as

(55:24):
being an adult, and you can use Reddit. Reddit never
gets to see your photo. They never get to hold
it because obviously there are security concerns around like Bozo's
around Bozos, like Facebook having your details and then getting
hacked by somebody. Persona the third party only keeps it
for about seven days and then they get rid of it.
But you are verified, your on recorders having been verified,

(55:45):
and that is how you do it. It is totally plausible,
it is possible, and we can do it in this
country if.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
We want to or even easier, just ban it completely
so nobody has it.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
That's why he doesn't write the laws. Ten away from eight,
do you for see.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Allen on the mic Husking Breakfast with the land Rover,
Discovery News Togs dead By.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Can you find out why the bank bill case is retrospective?
I don't understand the rationale for that, and I will
refer you to the text from Connell here that the
fines are ridiculously punitive. The banks found the error of themselves.
They're compensated customers without any regulator involvement. That's why they
just think it's too harsh. Six away from ete now
there are reports from across the Tasman that Roger Tui
Vasashek is on the verge of signing with Rugby's new

(56:29):
Rebel three sixty R three sixty competition. The deal is
said to be worth around a million dollars that is
double what he's currently earning at the Warriors. Joining us
now is for mer Keiwei's captain Richie Barnett, Richie.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Good morning, good morning, Eric.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I mean, if you can double your income, it's a
slam dunk, isn't it?

Speaker 17 (56:45):
Mad not too, wouldn't they yeah, thank complexity and of
course the opportunities now for players to move even when
they're contract that actually to get some I guess some
benefit now and depending what age they are, they've got
options now to consider.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
How much of a three toes this to the NRL,
because there are about four players at least who have
been approached apparently.

Speaker 17 (57:07):
Massive, it's huge. It's something that they've always had to
contend with. You look at Joseph Mona, you look at
Joseph Sale who's playing for the Australian rugby union team
at the moment. So there's always been there. It's been
there for a long while. But the money and the
consortiums that are coming up now it's just too big
a pull of money to say no to. And it's

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another challenge that they face and always has bill and
they always will.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Why do you think the Saudis are coming after rugby
league players rather than rugby union players.

Speaker 17 (57:37):
I guess it's profile. You know that the profile of
players is extraordinary. And if you look at Roger and
you look at Joseph Sale and you look at they're
also targeting the soft of Solomona. He's a rugby background
as well, so they're targeting people they've got a name,
but also they've also played rugby, which majority of my
cross code is anyway, So the opportunity to go and
play with a branded name who's been around is going

(57:59):
to be It's going to be interesting and challenging for
the NRL, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Do you reckon that any of these players would be
put off by the fact that it's Saudi money.

Speaker 17 (58:09):
I don't think so. Personally, I don't think so. I
know that's been branded around with Live golf and so
on where that money is actually coming from. But I
think ultimately they make their own decision and money talks,
I guess, yeah, hope as much as you can say
and go through all and be mindful of it all.
I think money talks, and it's a big it's a

(58:31):
big poor.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Hey I am. I'm kind of into this idea. I
don't mind them doing a rebel league.

Speaker 17 (58:36):
What about you a ruble league. We had it with
Super League with the NRL and it's it worked for
a little while, but it's were and the same with
the golf. It's the same thing where it's pulling apart
international footy club football, so you're draining resources from New
Zealand and Australia, and that means it's going to impact
what's happening in this country as well. I know financially,

(59:00):
the news rugby union are under pressure, the game's falling
away from innovation in the eyes over the game. So
this is going to have a massive impact on what
that could look like in the next year or so.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Richie, good to talk to you. Enjoy your morning, Richie
Barnett for mc keewis captain. Do you know what I
would be into this if the Saudi's changed rugby rules? Right,
so they take rugby and then just change some of
the things that are really irritating to us, like the scrum.
Just get rid of the scrum. Why are we doing that?
I know rugby players love it, the rest of us
looking at it. Go it's just a weird thing that
you're doing. Anyway, This is lockey, Lockie Hayes. If you

(59:36):
love the Blues, if you love the country, if you
love the Bob Dylan, you might love him. He's with us. Next, what.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
The news and the news makers?

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Heather Dupericy Hellen on them, casking Breakfast with Avida, Retirement, Communities,
Life Your Way, News dogs Head.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Be Septcast eight. Our latest musical talent comes to us
from the Catlan's not something you can say very often,
is it. Lockie Hayes has been in the music game
for over a decade now, started with a couple of EPs,
then an album based on the live performance. He finds
a lot of inspiration from Bob Dylan, which you can

(01:00:27):
actually hear in his music. He's got out his sophomore album.
It's called sub Satellite. It's a mix of old country,
blues and soul. And Locke has is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
With me now Morning Lockey, Good morning.

Speaker 15 (01:00:38):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I'm very well, thank you. Oh man, I've got to
talk to you about Delaney Davidson. How did you find
working with him?

Speaker 15 (01:00:45):
Oh? Delaney is like he's a mixture of an enigma
and a chameleon, and you can't always tell if he's
joking or not. But it was a hell of an
experience anyway. I learned a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Did you learn a lot from him? Because he is
I mean, he makes some beautiful music, doesn't he.

Speaker 15 (01:01:03):
Yeah, he's really incredible to watch work. You can sort
of see he's got this calculating way of hearing the
music and you can almost get the sense that there's
these cogs turning in his head every second of the
day thinking about it. And then he will go in
the studio do some things, make some noises, and you'll
think what is he doing? And then when he plays

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it back to you, you're like, oh wow, how did
you hear that in your head before you before you
went in the studio. It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Where were you based? Are you based in Vicargo?

Speaker 15 (01:01:35):
I'm actually based in a small town out of in
the Cargo called Wyndham. I'm a school teacher here and yeah,
so so yeah, some of the some of the morning
chat has been interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
But yeah, well do you want to wear all the
open playing classes?

Speaker 15 (01:01:53):
Then I don't know if I want to weigh in
on it too much. Yeah, tell me the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Reason I ask you? Asked you where you're based? As
obviously Delaney comes from Littleton, right, They've got a fantastic
little country music scene going on there.

Speaker 15 (01:02:06):
What about Wyndham, Well, Whindom's pretty close to Gore, So
country music's pretty big around these parts, to be honest.
It's one of those It's a strange thing because country
music was very much the music of my grandparents' generation,
and then popular music came along. My parents' generation was

(01:02:26):
more into popular music. But the young people now, and
a lot of the students I see coming up through school,
are just mad about country music. It seems to be
the biggest thing. I really can't put my finger on it,
but I guess when you're living in rural New Zealand
and your aspirations are to drive directors, and the really

(01:02:48):
America and the country music would speak to you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
But you know, I mean, I would agree with you,
and I think you're onto something. But I would agree
with you that if it was just a country thing.
But it's not just a country thing, is it. I mean,
city kids are loving it as well. Is it maybe
that we've got over the vacuousness of pop music and
we're looking for something a little bit more deep and layered.

Speaker 15 (01:03:09):
Well, I would sure hope so, to be honest with you,
that I would think that would be that would be
a gift from God if we could get over any
vacuous kind of popular music setting. I do know that
kids don't care as much about the chats anymore. That
seems to be something that I notice they seem to
just pick up on what their friends listen to, what

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their parents listen to, what they've heard on a movie,
what they've heard somewhere else where. As it used to be,
you could say, what's number one in the chats? Now,
you know, we all used to listen to top forty
and wait to hear the number one. They don't seem
to care so much about that anymore. So perhaps you're.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Right the age of Spotify, Lockie where once you? Because
I mean the thing about radio versus Spotify, obviously is
radio gives you what it thinks you should hear, but
Spotify gives you more of what you already like. So
if you're liking a country song, that starts to feed
you more and it just opens up this world to you.

Speaker 15 (01:04:02):
Yeah, you do get really sort of lost down that
rabbit hole on Spotify, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
It's a good rabbit hole the way, not a bad one.

Speaker 15 (01:04:09):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah, totally. Now, is that you playing harmonica on your album?

Speaker 15 (01:04:14):
Yeah? Yeah, that's me playing harmonica.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
On the area Going to play harmonica like that, Locky,
because you sound like like a sixty year old man
sitting around a campfire.

Speaker 15 (01:04:24):
Well, as you mentioned, I'm from the Catlands. I grew
up in the Catlands and it's pretty dark and rainy
and there's not a lot to really do. And my
parents are both musicians, and my grandparents are musicians. So
there was kind of this, you play us a tune
and you don't have to go to bed right now?
Ye do that to you in a way in a sense. Yeah,

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there was a lot of I'm from quite a big
extended family as well, but there was a lot of
gatherings and there was a lot of just tunes and
sing alongs around a few drinks, and so there was
a lot of you come and your song now, you know,
And harmonica is quite a It's an economical instrument because
it can fit in your pocket, right, So you give

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it to a little kid, which was me, and say,
you're going to play along with us when we play
these old country songs.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Do you like as a musician?

Speaker 15 (01:05:16):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Do you really love your parents for that? Because they
must have listened to some god awful harmonica playing from
you while they were trying to play their song.

Speaker 15 (01:05:25):
Yeah, I'm sure they. I'm sure they did. They must have.
I do often think how patient they must have been
with teaching all of my I've got four siblings as well,
and we all sort of play an instrument to some degree,
so they must have been pretty patient.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, how long do you reckon? You got to like,
how long did you extend your bed time by?

Speaker 15 (01:05:45):
Well, indefinitely, I think sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Yeah, Oh my goodness, your parents are good people. Locky,
stay there. I want to come back and talk to
you and just to take us Locky Hayes, thirteen past
eight the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio howard By
News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Quarter past eight. You're back with LOCKEYE Hayes on his
second album, sub Satellite Lockey. I have got a text
from Jamie McKay that says, asked Lockey about his dad's
rugby exploits.

Speaker 15 (01:06:13):
Okay, my dad's rugby exploits. Yeah, he Well, my dad
was a self and representative in the nineties for the rugby.
Is sort of a weird part of my family. Not
that I play rugby. I was never any good at it,
but yeah, my father represented South on, as did my grandfather,
and my auntie and my sister have all represented South

(01:06:36):
on the rugby and my auntie, Carol Hayes, was one
of the original Black Friends, so it's a weird sort
of rugby link in the family.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
You guys are just a family of overachievers, aren't you.
And then as well as so your your dad's a
farmer and he's playing rugby for Southland. And then you
also say your dad, your parents used to drag you
around to gigs? Were they playing gigs?

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:06:58):
Yeah, they were in a sort of a bit of
a southern institution in the day, was their bluegrassy country
men called the Progress Valley Possum Tiggers, which is a
name and a name in a heart.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
That's a good name. And so what they would take you?
Where would they play gigs? I mean there's it's not
as if you're living in the middle of a city
where you could just go to any number of venues.

Speaker 15 (01:07:18):
Well they believe it or not, they played a lot
of woolsheds. Woolshed parties were a big thing. So we
were dragged along to a lot of wolf sheheds and
a lot of pubs, a lot of rural pubs. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
And what do you do now? Where do you tour?

Speaker 15 (01:07:31):
If you tour, well, anywhere and everywhere that we can.
We obviously traveling is a big part of it. You've
got to get used to traveling if you want to
live in a rural community and perform places. But I mean,
we've got a lot of good venues in central Otago,
Dunedin and the cargo's coming along now with some really
good venues. So it just means a few hours driving.

Speaker 11 (01:07:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
And what about because you've got a family, haven't you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (01:07:58):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
How do you do that with kids?

Speaker 15 (01:08:03):
Well, very patiently and we tray a best.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Do you take them along? Do you schlep them along
to the pub with you?

Speaker 15 (01:08:12):
Well? Sometimes? But the I guess the culture around them
has changed, do we But we used to be dragged
as children to pubs without people betting an eye. But
I think now nowadays people give you a bit of
a sideways eye if you if you're dragging your kids
everywhere like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Okay, I want to ask you. I've been thinking the
last few days. Have you heard of this band called
the Velvet Sundown.

Speaker 15 (01:08:34):
The Velvet Sundown is somebody mentioned this to me the
other day. I still I've never heard them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
They Okay, so they're actually not a band. They're AI
and they do music that's a little bit sort of
nineteen seventies folk. Well, I mean, obviously they'll be like
a musical director, there'll be a human behind it. But
they do nineteen seventies folk music, it wouldn't. It's a
bit CCR, you know, bit credence. And what I'm finding
really weird about it is that I don't hate it.
I actually kind of like it. Should I be ashamed

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of myself? Do you worry about the AI?

Speaker 15 (01:09:04):
I don't really worry about it too much. I did.
I think I read an article about them. The guy
said it was kind of a prank, right, Yeah, Well,
I pilfer and steal from all the pop culture I can,
and I'm a big fan of hip hop and how
they sample music. They steal sort of wesections from other

(01:09:25):
songs and turn it into something new. I mean, if
I were to stick my neck out and say that
people using AI technology is just awful, you know, how
far back do I have to go before I'm then going, Well,
I'm stealing music from basically from America, from a long
and rich lineage in history that I have nothing.

Speaker 8 (01:09:45):
To do with.

Speaker 15 (01:09:46):
So how far back am I going to go before
I have to look at myself and go Yeah? Well,
you're not much better.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Yeah, this is true. I'm comforting myself with the idea
that AI cannot be creative, right, AI just takes what
we're already doing and then replicate it, kind of a
copy of it. Whereas if you really want something completely
different and never been done before, it's only a human
that can come up with that.

Speaker 15 (01:10:06):
A Well, yeah, AO is not actually alive, you know,
we sort of we talk about it as this living thing,
but it's it's just a language model and and a
little computer, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Yeah, By the way, what do you teach?

Speaker 15 (01:10:20):
I'm actually a primary school teacher. Well, I teach it
an intermediate school called Menzies College, But so I teach
the U seven students, so that I always had the
three hours the reading, writing, arithmetic.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Is it working? Is the hour a day working?

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Is that? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
The hour a day of reading, writing and maths working?

Speaker 15 (01:10:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
You back to politics?

Speaker 15 (01:10:41):
Sorry, that's all right, it's fun. I would say we're
doing our best as well in that in that area. Yeah. Good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Hey, listen, what's the plan. You've done? You've done some EPs,
you've done a couple of albums. Now you're touring. Where
do you want to take this.

Speaker 15 (01:10:57):
Well, you know, as always the way with people creating artists,
just to keep doing it and hopefully, you know, put
it out there and if people like it, they like
it and that's great. And if they don't, well who cares.
I'm going to keep creating it. So pretty going to
be there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Yeah, Lockie, thank you for your time. It's been absolutely
lovely to talk to you, and best of luck with everything.
Blockie Hayes KIWI singer Heather. I love listening to the
interview with Lockey. The Hayes family was part of the
Possum Pickers played at a local fundraiser. They were supposed
to plans for one am, but they were having such
a great time they played till four am. Fantastic night here.
I am thank you. Su sad, so sad and such

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sad light.

Speaker 15 (01:12:02):
Sad, sad, sad.

Speaker 8 (01:12:11):
Sad.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Hither dupery Allen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's
Real Estate News Dogs, they'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah, everybody's loving Lockie.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
What an amazing young man and he teaches. How lucky
are those kids in his class? Absolutely? I hope he
does a bit of guitar stuff. Hey, there is a
school in the UK which is in trouble because it
had a cultural day and one of the kids turned up.
One of the girls turned up basically dressed like Ginger
Spice with a with a union jack dress and she
was put into isolation for that was not okay. Rod

(01:12:48):
Little will talk us through that when he's with us shortly.
I've got to get you across this. Eight twenty five.
There is a spat that is, there is a spat
that is happening at the moment about campbell A bacter.
So what's happened is that our dear friend Michael Baker
is part of a group called the Public Health Communications Center,
and they have released some figures today showing that that

(01:13:09):
too many of us are getting sick with a Campbella bactor,
which is what you find in the chicken, right, It's
often in the chicken. And the number of us who've
got infected in the last seventeen years has gone up
by seventy percent, which they say is not good because
they think the government is it fault for being complacent
about Kampbella bacta. The Ministry for Primary Industries has hit

(01:13:30):
back at them, not happy at all, is accusing the
researchers of scare mongering and says that the figures are
not nearly as bad as what the researchers say they
are now regardless, I don't know, I mean you predominantly,
I don't know. Can you tell the difference between CAMPBELLA
bactor and salmonella unless they're testing your poop? You probably can't.
And don't you just kind of write it out? Who knows?

(01:13:50):
It's probably worse than they think it is. However, can
I tell you this. I once was at a Christmas
party back in Wellington when I was young and used
to go to parties all the time. I went to
this Christmas party and Michael Baker was there and I
got chatting to Michael Baker about it and I the
one piece of never mind COVID. The one thing that
Michael Baker has told me which has changed my life

(01:14:12):
is that if you want to avoid getting cambeller back to,
what you need to do when you get your chicken
into the house from the supermarket is chuck it in
the freezer. So before you do not cook your chicken raw,
chuck it in the freezer. Freeze it to death, because
you're basically freezing the bacteria to death, well kind of
most of them, and then you whip it out. Then
you don't have a problem with the Campler bactor anymore.
And you can always stuff it up because there will
be a little bit left in there somewhere. But there's

(01:14:33):
a tip for how to avoid being one of those
people who ends up in hospital. And just how brilliant
is it that we're having fights about science again? It's
a bit triggering, isn't it. Anyway? As I said, Rod
Little with us shortly, News DOGSZB.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
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Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
Heather duper c Allen on the MIC, asking breakfast with
the land Rover discovery, never stop discovering news togs deadv.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Lord As if it's even possible. There are more allegations
against Mark Latham over in Australia. I'll run you through
those shortly. Hither what's this?

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Just?

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
In USA? Wholesale rates remain stable? Now, what were you
saying about Trump's beautiful tariffs lead? The TDS spin begin
actually actually interesting. I'm going to come back to that
because not everyone thinks that he's losing the tariff war.
Twenty two away from.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Nine, International Correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Rod Little is our UK correspondent higher Rod, Hey, good morning,
ha that okay. What's been the reaction to the news
of this Afghan rey location scheme.

Speaker 12 (01:15:40):
Absolute apoplexy on the part of the press, which in
any case hates superinjunctions. It's reasonable enough, you know, we
don't like superinjunctions when they apply to the celebrities. When
it's applied by the government to important information, then it
infuriates us. There's been a degree of apoplexy from re Form,

(01:16:00):
the party which has no skin in the game. But
of course politically it's been quite quiet because both Labor
and the Conservatives coped some of the blame for this.
What I think most people are questioning is to what
degree was this thing made secret because they feared for
the lives of the Afghan people who would due to

(01:16:22):
come here, And to what degree was it to keep
it well away from the eyes of the public who
would be infuriated that one hundred thousand Afghan refugees would
be coming here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Yeah, so right, good question. I mean, obviously, the cost
of it is enormous. It's about seven billion pounds. Have
you guys better. Yeah, have you have you affected it in?
Can you pay for it?

Speaker 6 (01:16:44):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:16:44):
We can't pay for anything though, so it doesn't really matter.
I mean, you know it's this this economy is it
looks a bit like Argentina about five years ago. No,
we can't afford to pay for it, and no we
want one hundred thousand Dafghans. It isn't really true that
one hundred thousand Dafghans helped the Brits out when we

(01:17:06):
were over in Afghanistani. It seems stretching it to me.
You could win a war with one hundred thousand people
and we of course lost too, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
I mean, how many of them have actually come over
so far?

Speaker 12 (01:17:18):
I think it's something like eighteen thousand, and with another
twenty three thousand more due to come. I don't know
if that's another twenty three thousand on top or if
it's another five thousand, if you see what I mean? Yes,
but are there are many? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
To answer the question as to whether it was to
protect their lives or to keep it from the public,
the fact is that the Taliban have said they've always
had the Killlesston they're working their way through it, so
presumably it was to keep it a secret from the
British text Bayer.

Speaker 12 (01:17:46):
Presumably that's the answer. Yes, and that's certainly where I'm going.
And I mean various MPs of both parties have come
out and said, no, Heaven for fed Nothing could be
further from the truth, whether it be John Eedy for
Labor or Ben Wallace for the Conservatives. But no, it's
it's It came at a time, you know, twenty twenty

(01:18:06):
three when we were sick to death of being lied
to by the government. And here's another example of it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
You know, now, do we know why that school put
that girl in it well, got her in trouble for
the Union jet dress.

Speaker 12 (01:18:18):
Yes we do. They were having a celebrate culture day,
but the only cultures we were allowed to celebrate were
those which were British. She didn't know that. She went
along in a Union jet dress and prepared a lovely
little inclusive speech about British values and caring for everybody
and so on, and was immediately segregated and sent to

(01:18:41):
sit in reception because she was told it's for other cultures,
not for Britain. This has enraged the country. It is
a perfect example of what's happening in schools up and
down out country, which is a loathing for Britain, for
its past, for any identity, cas with Britain, and eulogizing

(01:19:02):
of all all incomers, no matter where they're from. And
it's running very, very heavily over here. The school has apologized,
it says, it's apologized unreservedly and it's trying to work
out how we might have handled things differently, But they
still haven't sacked whoever it was who segregated this little girl,

(01:19:23):
and we wouldn't have heard about it, and if her
father hadn't gone on Facebook and told us all about it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Rod, it is good to talk to you. Thank you
for your time, You have yourself a lovely evening and
we'll talk to you in soon. That's Rod Rod Little,
our UK correspondent, writing, let's talk about what's going on
with the Trump tariff. So there's a piece in the
Wall Street Journal which makes the point that actually, forget
about calling Donald Trump names like tarco. You know, Trump
always chickens out. Actually he is not losing the trade war.

(01:19:51):
We're all hung up apparently wrongly, says the Wall Street Journal,
on the fact that there aren't that many deals right,
because what we seem to have seem to have fallen
into the illusion that why Trump is putting the tariffs
on is because he wants to force countries into striking
deals to get around the tariffs. That's not at all
what he's up to. Apparently, what he is doing is

(01:20:11):
he just wants tariffs for the sake of tariffs. Quote.
He has been clear and single minded about his goal.
He wants tariffs. The higher the better, whether that has
achieved unilaterally or via deals as secondary. And the point
they make is he's been saying this since the nineteen eighties,
which he has in June. Loans is the Wall Street
Journal Treasury collected twenty seven billion US dollars and customs revenue,

(01:20:32):
up twenty billion from a year earlier, a pace that
would imply two hundred and forty billion more a year.
That isn't enough to eliminate most families income taxes. Trump
wants promise, but it can still play pay for plenty
of other priorities. Seventeen away from nine for the Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Heather Salmonella can kill you. You don't simply ride it
out like other bugs. I've got salmonella nearly thirty years
ago while I was living in a student flat where
a chopping board hadn't been cleaned properly. After having raw
chicken cut on it. The salmonella state of my system
for four months, I was extremely sick, and second the
after effects lasted for about fifteen years. I've overcooked my
chicken ever since. Well, it's probably smart. Well, you can

(01:21:17):
also just stick it. Well, I wouldn't. I'm not a
doctor or a scientist, so you know, probably ask ai,
but you could consider sticking it in the freezer as well.

Speaker 7 (01:21:26):
I got salmoneller on my honeymoon, did you Yes? And
I wish that it had killed me. It was not pleasant.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
I'm gonna be honest. Since you clean, your wife probably
wished it it killed you as well. Having to deal
with you in that state. Lord above thirteen away from
nine Mark Latham, however, crap, you're weakers. It's a lot
better than Mark Latham's week. And I do use the
word crap quite deliberately because if you've been following the story,
that's part of it, isn't it. He's now accused, not

(01:21:57):
only of everything else, which is the pooing and the
bullying and the harassment and the intimidation and the driving
the car and the girlfriend. He is now also accused
of hooking up with her on the desk of his
office in New South Wales Parliament and going to full base,
whatever that base is, and then filming it on video

(01:22:18):
as well. This is not illegal obviously to do whatever
you want in your office if it's consensual, but it's
not being painted. It's being painted as not appropriate. To
suppose we could all say he hasn't denied this outright,
by the way, so he's made it sound like that
very much to get up to this. Also, he has
been accused of sending her dirty texts while he was
sitting in parliament. He confirmed that he did do it.

(01:22:41):
He says the reason he did it was because, quote,
sitting there listening to Penny Sharp droning on and then
a woman who looks like Natalie Matthews sends you a
message which one would you pay attention to of the
other more niche things that he's accused of doing with her,
He denies some of it, but he does say she
actually in instigated a lot of it. He says, the

(01:23:02):
big news is that I had a private life. I
had a sex life that I've got to say was fantastic.
Now another detail, which I think is relevant to this case,
because we're going to find out more and more, is
that she, Natalie Matthews, is taking the private case against
him because she went to the police and the police
wouldn't charge him, right, so she decided to go privately

(01:23:22):
against him. But also she's taking a private case against
her ex husband as well, for calling her two hundred
times between April and June this year, which she said
left her feeling shaken and scared. So she's going to
go later this month to court and deal with the
private case against the husband, and then a week later
she's going to be taking private case against her former lover,
Mark Latham. Also also in unrelated but slightly related news,

(01:23:46):
he could lose. This is Mark Latham. He could lose
his place in the new South Wales Parliament because he's
facing a defamation case and if that defamation case bankrupts him,
then he gets kicked out of the parliament. So keep
an eye on that because that is every time the
allegations aren't bad enough. When he opens his mouth and
talks about it. He just sort of makes it slightly worse,
doesn't he by just the choice of words. He had

(01:24:08):
a fantastic sex life. Yay, Well, how do I pronounce
this chap's name? Please? Sam, this footballer? You mean Lamin Yama.
I've got it right, That's fantastic because I'm not a
huge I don't have a huge knowledge. I mean, I'm
great when it comes to very technical retrospective law when
it comes to banking. But you get me on what
the Barcelona star is called, and I have no idea anyway.

(01:24:30):
Lamina marl is in trouble. Lamina marl Is.

Speaker 11 (01:24:33):
I do know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
He's a superstar and he's very very young. He's just
turned eighteen years old, and so he threw himself as
you do an eighteenth birthday party. But because he's got
loads of money, he didn't do it himself, and he
got the organizers in and the organizers went absolutely gangbusters.
They just went mental on what they were going to
do for his eighteenth birthday party. He is now under
investigation because they hired people with dwarfism, and if you're

(01:24:55):
going to hire people with dwarfism in Spain, if this
is what you're thinking of doing for your party, solely
for the purposes of entertainment and attractions, you will be
breaking Spanish law. You're not allowed to do it. So
he's in trouble for that. Ten Away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Heather duper c Allen on the mic asking Breakfast with
a Vida Retirement Communities News dogs head.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Be Heather, that's absolutely nuts. The people with dwarfism must
have been available for him to have hired them. So
wouldn't people with dwarfism also be up on a charge
because if they had made themselves available, he wouldn't have
been able to hire them. I reluctant to get involved
in this conversation. I feel like, having drawn it to
your attention, I'm on the precipice of potentially getting in

(01:25:37):
a lot of trouble here, do you know what I mean?
Like you can sort of talk about it, and then
you could talk about it to the point where you're
in trouble. But I don't know who it is. It
is a somewhat consensual relationship, Will I will take your
point there, but remember there are other consensual relationships that
we have punished before. Prostitution, for example, one party got
punished in the other knot and that and that was consensual.

(01:25:59):
So anyway, maybe the Spanish have just taken the kind
of that theory to another level. But I take your
point six away from.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Nine Trending Now Warehouse your home of winter essentials.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Okay, this clip is going viral from Fox. It is
from the show The Five. The Five is Fox's most
popular show. The host is Greg Gutfield. He decided that
calling someone a Nazi actually isn't a criticism anymore, and
he wants to reclaim the word.

Speaker 14 (01:26:28):
This is why the criticism doesn't matter to us when
you call us Nazis, Nazi, this Nazi that you know,
I'm beginning to think they don't like us.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
You know what, I've said this before.

Speaker 14 (01:26:39):
We need to learn from the Blacks, the way they
were able to remove the power from the N word
by using it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
So from now on, it's what up my Nazi?

Speaker 15 (01:26:49):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
What up my Nazi?

Speaker 15 (01:26:51):
Hey?

Speaker 18 (01:26:51):
What's hanging my nazi?

Speaker 15 (01:26:55):
Nazi?

Speaker 18 (01:26:55):
Please?

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Thank god you did a hard eye there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
I don't really know, I don't know, I don't know.
I feel like he's but here I was worrying about,
you know, talking about the financial transactions between the Barcelona
football star and people with dwarfs and the sky is
just never mind what I was worried about. He's taken
it a hold to a whole different place, isn't he.
Good luck to him.

Speaker 7 (01:27:16):
I mean, if you're going to get in trouble for
a joke, at least make it a funny joke.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Totally, totally. Yeah, I'd never never understood why that show
is popular, as I just look at that man's face
and it irritates me. He just looks at his face
is aggressive? Do you know when a face is aggressive?
And you probably don't have it if you're a man,
but if you have a woman, if you're a woman,
you have it. We have women's intuition and we just
have to look at a face and then we know
already whether that person's a good person or not, whether
we want to bother out, you know, using our time

(01:27:42):
on them and Greek No not really, Now I didn't
know this, did you know this? On the grounds of Bellemoral,
there are pyramids hidden in the woods. Apparently Queen Victoria
had a real ponchanp for the pyramids, and she built
them to commemorate various milestones in her in her life
life and people that she lost. She built the first one,

(01:28:02):
which is more of a can really to celebrate the
fact that she'd actually had They got their hands on
the Bow Moral estate. I think Albert had bought it
for her, and so she was like, oh, that's lovely,
let's build a pyramid. So they did. They built a
little one, and then she built them to mark the
marriages of her one thy five hundred children, and then
she built one to mark the death of Prince Albert
in eighteen sixties. And that one is the biggest one.

(01:28:26):
It is eleven meters high, which is a testament to
the fact that she loved the man very deeply, but
also quite an odd thing to do. So I don't
know is there a rule. There may be a rule
that in the UK you're allowed to sort of wander
around on people's estates or something like that. And I
don't know if you're allowed to wander around on a
royal estate. But if you are and you find yourselves
around and you find yourself in that part of the world,

(01:28:47):
go have a look at the pyramids, because they have
pyramids and bew morals.

Speaker 7 (01:28:51):
And also presumably she would have had to get the
aliens and to build them. But I guess smaller aliens
in the original aliens.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Yeah, well, some of the aliens were obviously not very good,
because the first Ken does look it's not a it's
something it's like, it's not an architectural masterpiece. But later on,
by the time she got to the death of Albert,
those aliens were doing fantastic jobs.

Speaker 7 (01:29:13):
Thinks I hope she wasn't exploiting.

Speaker 6 (01:29:17):
Aliens.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Stop it, we're heading down the Greek path again. All right,
you enjoy yourself, have a lovely day. I'm going to
be with you tomorrow, and then Mike is back on Monday.
So if you have been bottling up your desire to
see Mike, you willbear. It's been a long time. It's
not long ago. Now enjoy your day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
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