Full Show Podcast: 17 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Welcome today, the Mowbray's and their online legal issues, new
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as well? Friday morning, seven pass six, Doctor Hosking would

(00:32):
diagnose a kind of funk as a result of some
observations for you this week. So three I thought, three
very clear examples these past few days of good news,
of uplifting events, of indisputable progress, and yet for too
many it was not a reason to acknowledge or accept
or congratulate, but rather moan a bit more or find
a reason as to why it can't be. So are
the most obvious the ceasefire and hostage come prisoners?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
What now?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
As I said, peace in the Middle East is only
ever temporary, but the bit we witness Tuesday is an
indisputable win. And for now there was much and as
much to be celebrated. And yet the main character the
US President for some was not to be thanked or recognized.
The Greens here went as far as to suggest we
actively don't acknowledge them. They argued. The tireless ground operators
i e. Them are the people who wore the scarfs,

(01:13):
and health press conferences were somehow more responsible. So a
mix there of complete delusion and lack of grace are.
There were no shortage of obsessives who contacted me raging
about the Palestinian treatment of pro Israeli coverage, even a
cease fire for some as a reason to peckholes, apparently
above celebration and or relief. And then education, very clear,
specific and indisputable progress and phonics this week, as well

(01:35):
as English and maths in our primary schools. We changed
it up. It's working, but oh no, A lot of
pushback on that as well. It's only a small sample,
how do we know for sure? A number of interviews
on this very station with Unions Principles teachers about as
reluctant as you can get, possibly acknowledging. We might be
onto something. But let's see, let me dial up the

(01:56):
skepticism just a bit. Heaven forbid you catch me being enthusiast.
Then the hospo sector record income. Oh but Mike, that's
not profit. What about the bills? Yes, yes, yes, I
get it. But I'll tell you this for nothing. When
the good news arrives, if you can't see it, all worse,
you don't want to see it. You're destined for a
life of well existence of misery and woe in myopia.
I mean, as the nation's funk set in has dual

(02:19):
replaced rugby as the national pastime. Good grace is not
that hard. Sometimes the news is good, Sometimes the outlook
is better. Sometimes the future is bright. Give it a go.
It won't kill you.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
News of the world in ninety seconds, right.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
The UK first, where the Chinese spy case collapse still
haunts the government NEARI fiber and the public domain this morning.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
When it comes to China, the UK needs to defend
itself resolutely against threats and seize the opportunities that demonstrably
sour of our ownation. Our five Eyes allies share the
same pragmatic approach.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
That's US. Chinese, by the way, doing what the Chinese
do when it comes to China. Kimmy knows she's onto something.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
The witness statements Shoe that it was labor policy that
was in there. He's claimed that there was no political
interference in those witness statements. What we see is words
from the Labor Party manifesto are.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
The Chinese metters, namely the rare Earth policy.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
You can't win every investment decision, but there's plenty of
investment coming to the UK, whether that is in critical
minerals or indeed where it comes to things like AI
and technology, or indeed on energy investment.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Now, as regards to cease fire, when Hamas is still
shooting people, that means they've not disarmed.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
Eight bound in, blindfolded men are dragged out and forced
to kneel one by one. Armed Hamass militants take up
their positions behind them, aiming rifles at their heads before
opening fire.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
I'm back in Britain. Big night for some new names
in the British music scene. It's the Mercury Prize, held
for the first time tonight in Newcastle about the.

Speaker 7 (04:04):
Production of the album What's gone into it? How original
is it? How much is it stretching the boundaries of
British music. So all of those different types of criteria
things that they don't matter for sales or how many
festivals you've played.

Speaker 8 (04:16):
It's about the.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Music, okay. Finally, Tyra Banks, she's launching hot ice Cream.
She's got a shop in Australia. If you go to
Australia recently, it's wheat Robes here Imax duelling hard but
they had to pop up in January, flagship in July.
Why she launched it there, I got no idea. Because
they're excited. The most called spires and dream. She described
it as not ice cream, not hot chocolate, but your
favorite Scoop's transformed into liquid hot in sippable hot Mama

(04:39):
hot ice cream. Anyway, the reason they're excited this morning
is heading to America. So good luck to her on that.
That's news of the world. In ninety Trump problems two problems.
Judges ordered the layofs have got to stop. So yes,
the place is still closed down. He's using that as
an opportunity to lay Americans off. That's got to stop
for now. Other problem was yesterday he was claiming you
talked to Modi or Modi had promised him he wasn't
going to be buying any more oil. Mody this morning's saying,

(05:02):
I don't know anything about that, so we'll see where
that goes.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
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Speaker 9 (05:13):
It by.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Economic growth for the UK zero point three for the
second quarter, not as good as the first court at
zero point seven. Third quarter is going to be out
mid November, so they're still growing, so that's something. Switzerland's
got problems though, that thirty nine percent tariff thing that
Trump dumped on them. They can't seem to get out
of it, and they're revising their forecast down one point
three this year, which is not good. They normally grow
more than that, and they think something like zero point

(05:36):
nine percent next year, so they got troubles. Fifteen past six,
right from Sure and Partners Andrew Callaheer, Welcome to Friday.

Speaker 9 (05:44):
Very good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
These price indexes food in there as well, So we
angst about food, don't we.

Speaker 9 (05:49):
Oh, we can answert about everything, aren't we.

Speaker 10 (05:51):
Yeah, yesterday we got the monthly dump from Sets New Zealand.
Of this is roughly fifty percent of the components that
make up the CPI, and particular relevant at the moment
given the view that inflation is sort of nudging the
three percent boundary of the Rby and zena target range, creating.
So we are told Mike Nerve racking anxiety on the
terrace in Wellington. So, yep, these are the selected price indexes.

(06:15):
There's various elements to these indexes. Food prices get the
most attention. The good news is that the annual change
has fallen to four point one percent. That was running
at five percent. It was interested to listen to Cambagrey.
Ryan had Cambagrey talking earlier on. He made the very
valid observation that for most people, inflation feels like it's
running higher than three percent because everyday stuff that you

(06:38):
notice is dwarfing that three percent, and food's a classic
case of this. There's some staggering numbers in the detail
here which I thought I had to share. I would
mention that food prices have been trending higher since the
middle of last year on an annual basis. This is
the first significant reversal in that trend. So let's sell
it that the grocery group is up three point nine percent,

(06:59):
meat pulp and fish six point four percent. But here's
some of the stats quoted in the release yesterday. The
average price for two liters of milk that's up fifteen
point one percent, cheese thirty one point four, beef, mints
seventeen point seven, but a twenty eight point nine. Here's
the one that I didn't actually realize because I don't

(07:19):
buy it, but a loaf of white bread is up
forty nine point six percent. That's wheat prices I think
are behind that. Never buy it, wouldn't have noted, but
you can see. If someone tells you inflation is running
at three percent, you're going to think.

Speaker 9 (07:31):
About these daily sort of.

Speaker 10 (07:32):
You know, the consumables are going to go three percent
my eye. Rental inflation quite soft in the monthly numbers
are that's good news for rent it's not so much
for landlords. Administrative prices, so rates and fees they're still problematic.

Speaker 9 (07:45):
The thing is, mite we've.

Speaker 10 (07:47):
Now got three months of selective price in it's representing
the third quarter, so July, August, September, so you can
have a really good cracket estimating Q three inflation. That
figures due for release on Monday, So we're very exciting
way to start the week. Consensus forecast zero point nine
percent for the quarter, three percent year on a year,
It could very easily print at three point one.

Speaker 9 (08:08):
You wondn't be surprised to see it there.

Speaker 10 (08:10):
The thing they might hear while that number is important,
that the real key is actually how quick it falls,
because everyone's expecting it to fall so Q four first
half of next year, that's probably way.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
More important, okay, which is where the Informatric's forecast is
interesting this morning, So we'll talk it to Garth Gareth
about that later on. Now four point three to four
point five. This is material, isn't It's a that's a bump.

Speaker 10 (08:32):
Yeah, yeah, we're talking about employment across the TASM. So
we look across there are lots of people, lots of
New Zealand people heading over there looking for that greener grass.
They had release of employment numbers yesterday, but of a surprise,
employment markets are a.

Speaker 9 (08:45):
Bit weaker than expected.

Speaker 10 (08:46):
So yep, unemployment rate has lifted to four and a
half percent. That's the highest unemployment rate that they have
had since twenty twenty one. Employment actually increased, it was
up fourteen nine hundred people, but that was a little
bit the low market expectations. There was an unexpected lift
in the participation rate, so this sort of mixes up

(09:06):
expectations what the RBA will do with the cash rate
in November. It's you've got a week labor market, but
things like consumer spending holding up pretty well. They have
an inflation print on October the twenty ninth that will
be pivotal. The market did react to this market move
suggests now a cut is expected. There was a big
drop in the Aussie dollar, which has seen the Keiwossie cross.

Speaker 9 (09:28):
Left quite a bit.

Speaker 10 (09:30):
Bond rates foul share market liked it up seventy seven points.

Speaker 9 (09:34):
I think when I last.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Checked, okay, infertill and in video, anything within video. I
mean I could sign a deal with an in video
and get rich overnight, couldn't It. Isn't that how it
works these days?

Speaker 11 (09:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (09:42):
Dead right.

Speaker 11 (09:43):
AI.

Speaker 10 (09:43):
It's you know, just text that, but that one box
and anything needs to tick at the moment, which is AI.
So Infertil Internet's listening infrastructure investor has a very substantial
investment in.

Speaker 9 (09:53):
A business called CDC. They owned data centers.

Speaker 10 (09:56):
Yesterday they annunced a strategic partnership with a credit called
Firmas teach.

Speaker 9 (10:00):
Chnoledge and Nvidia.

Speaker 10 (10:01):
They've got to deliver forty megawatts of CDC data center
capacity to deliver innovative AI factory capacity the CDC site.

Speaker 9 (10:10):
It's coming from a Melbourne that's expected to deliver by Eightpril.

Speaker 10 (10:14):
Delivered by eight Pril twenty twenty six, and it prompted
a five percent lift in the flour share price yesterday.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
All right, mate, numbers please.

Speaker 10 (10:20):
Yeah, from US market day sixteen, on the countdown US
government shutdown. We have got the Dow jones forty six thousand,
one hundred and sixty nine. It's down eighty three points,
which is zero point one eight percent. The S and
P five hundred sixty sixty four to two, it is
down twenty eight points, which is point four percent. And
we'll call the Nasdaq flat. It's down point zero three. Well,

(10:43):
it's flat. Twenty two thousand, six hundred and sixty five.
The mark there forty one hundred overnight gained evan points
nine four three six. The NICK bounced six hundred and
five points. That's one and a quarter percent four eight
two seven seven small left in the Shanghai compert three
nine one six. As I said, the A six two
hundred gains seventy seven points. That's point eight six percent

(11:04):
nine oh six eight. The close there and the ins
of nets fifty are helped by infratal up to point
six one percent eighty one points thirteen thousand, three hundred
and eighty nine. Ki Ossie on the whole sale mate,
sorry kus on the wholesale marketser point five to seven
three oho point eight eight three oh so that's lifted
against the Ossie point four to nine oh seven euro

(11:25):
point four to two six seven pounds eighty six point
one four Japanese yent gold just continues to surge four thousand,
two hundred and eighty two dollars, and we were wondering whether.

Speaker 9 (11:37):
It could get to four thousand by the end of
the year. Gone straight through that and Brent Crude, here
you go.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Mike, come on, give it a five, give it a five.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
We'd be great. Not quite sixty one dollars and twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Cen Okay, we can live in Hope.

Speaker 11 (11:50):
Go well.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Andrew Keller has sure and partner's pasking. United airlines are
better than expected, so people are still traveling. CNN is
this a thing. They've announced night and all access subscription,
live and on demand video, full article access. And you
for that you pay six ninety nine a month and
sixty nine. I mean, I understand Netflix and movies and entertainment,
but you're paying seventy bucks a year to access C

(12:14):
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Speaker 1 (12:17):
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Speaker 2 (12:31):
Funny as old Trump, he's just finished his phone call
with Putin. He starts off as communicab by saying that
Putin was busy congratulating him on the Middle East, and
he was thanking Milania for a letter about the children
all the usually, I don't know what Putin's got over Trump,
but it's something I can't work it out. Anyway, He
reckons Trump that the Middle East success is going to
be leading to a success with Russia and Ukraine unless

(12:52):
we forget Alaska. Of course, spend a great deal of
time talking about trade between Russia and the United States.
Blah blah. Anyway, the upshot of all of this, at
a high level, advice is going to meet next week.
This is Rubio and Co. And then Putin and Trump
are going to get back together, this time in Buddha
Peste Zelensky tomorrow at the White House, but Trump and
Putin back together in Budapest in the next couple of

(13:13):
weeks six twenty five.

Speaker 8 (13:14):
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Speaker 2 (13:19):
Speaking of which he's also been busy this morning. Trump
going back to his roots in real estate development. So
we told you about the White House ballroom that he's
busy with at the moment. Now he wants to celebrate
America's birthday next year, two hundred and fiftieth birthdays. Lining
up what they're calling the Arctor Trump or the Actor Trump,
which looks like the Arcta Triumph. It's going to sit
opposite the Lincoln Memorial on a traffic circle near Arlington.

Speaker 9 (13:39):
Going to be really goodful.

Speaker 12 (13:40):
I think it's going to be fantastic.

Speaker 9 (13:41):
There's a rendering of what I will look like.

Speaker 13 (13:44):
That's Lady Liberty.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Lady Liberty. He's apparently come up with the design himself.
It looks like he has go look up the pictures.
That looks like he did it himself. You know when
you see drawings kids drawings and you go, you can do.
He looks anyway, he's got a couple of eagles on
the side, and he's got the aforementioned Lady Liberty in gold. Obviously,
he suggested, the funding might come out of overflows from

(14:07):
the ballroom.

Speaker 13 (14:08):
You have one hundred and twenty five people in here
approximately now, which I've never seen before. I've always heard
it's last than one hundred. You've been so generous in
your contributions, very substantial money fully finance. It's fully taken
care of now, and in fact we'll have money left
over and we'll use that for something. We'll use that
probably maybe for the arc or something else that will.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Come it, said the Ark. I'm more interested of all
the things that a couple of things. The Scots is
coming up, a couple of cases. He said, He's probably
going to go and look and be there for the
Scouts case on Tariff's first sitting president ever to sit
in a Scouters hearing. The other thing you want to
follow is this business with Venezuela and what they're doing
in there. The CIA don't just go into countries because

(14:52):
of the abroad, so something is brewing there and well,
worth watching. Other exciting developments this morning, we've got a
climate adaptation oh more.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Shortly the newsmakers and the personalities, the big names talk
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Speaker 2 (15:14):
So they're going to round up John Bolton apparently today's
Richard Arnold on that another matter shortly and meantime back
here at twenty three to seven, we've got more climate
use how longer waited? I use that term loosely. Our
long awaited climate adaptation plan is out. Councils now have
to draw up thirty year plans and the National flood
Mappers due in twenty twenty seven. Simon Watts is the
Climate Change Minister and is with us morning.

Speaker 11 (15:34):
Good to hear you, Mike.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
How much of Watson this reporter is rock solid science
and we know what we're doing and where we're going
and how we're going to do it versus guesswork.

Speaker 14 (15:43):
Well, a lot of the reality of what we face
right now is we don't have a coordinated approach to
deal with the floods and the cyclones and the impacts
we have from natural hazards. It's pretty uncoordinated. We don't
have good data to make decisions. We don't have clear
roles and responsibilities. Next year's a country if you compare
ourselves to like Japan. We don't have a clear framework

(16:03):
to deal without reality. So this has been a big
piece of work. We've released our findings yesterday and this
is going to be the bed rock in terms of
moving forward around how we deal with these events in
a more coordinating manner. Primarily Mike. The challenges is that
we need to make sure that you know, kiwis have
the right information to make informed decisions in terms of

(16:24):
where they live and where they build, and that responsibility
needs to be moving from away from government to be
the last resort every time something goes wrong, to make
sure people have got the good information to make good decisions.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Does it counteract the post code scenario? I mean some
of the things we're talking about don't effect some part
I mean the earth quake scenario the other day was
your classic example, wasn't it? I mean, does it cover
the whole country or is it postco dish?

Speaker 11 (16:49):
No.

Speaker 14 (16:49):
We looked at said it's got to cover the areas
that are actually high priority and at risk. It's not
covering everywhere and I think that's the challenge with the
status quo. There wasn't necessarily focus on the areas which
need it, and that has a cost related So we
said focus on the priority areas, make sure they've got plans.
If other areas want to do stuff, then that's fine,

(17:10):
but you know, the priority is the areas that we
know get hit a lot. But the information sphere is
the big one, and that's the blood modeling recommend plan
that we're going to have there. We don't have complete
information for people. It's not necessarily independent. But actually when
you look behind, government actually has a huge amount of

(17:30):
data through Earth Sciences for all of our government departments,
and a lot of that information isn't available two kiwis.
And if they had that, the reality is I think
they'll be able to make better informed decisions.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
How reliant are we on local authorities and their ability
and if they're a bit useless, we're in trouble.

Speaker 14 (17:49):
Well, they play a big role. And one of the
major challenges that we've seen through events is we've just
had lack of clarity of who does what and even
in the post event, you know who actually is responsible
in of who pays and how do you share the costs.
So what we've done in this in line with the
work that Minister Bishop's doing on RMA, were said, for
those priority areas of the country, then local government needs

(18:12):
to take a responsibility for that planning and coordination role
in central government will support them in that task. But
that means that it's really clear on who's responsible, and
that's not the case at the moment.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
No right, have a good week and Simon wants the
Climate Minister with us this morning. Justin from Trump and
Truth Social If a mask continues to kill people in Gaza,
which has been a problem, not surprisingly, which was not
the deal, we will have no choice but to go
in and kill them. Thank you for your attention on
this matter. More from the stage. Shortly twenty two.

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Speaker 1 (20:07):
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mind for New Zealand business excited?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Mind you good one in mind? I think we see
this last week, didn't we? John Bolton? Is it today today?

Speaker 11 (20:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (20:20):
It's coming up just in the next few hours. It's
been rumored for days, of course, but this whole process
is being stepped up as the Justice Department is set
to call on a grand jury in Maryland now to
criminally indict Trump's form of national security advice. Of course,
John Bolton just the latest and the Trump enemy's less
to be targeted for retribution. The Bolton move follows the
indictment of former FBI Director James Comeat New Opportunity General A.

(20:42):
Tisha James. Since leaving his post in the first Trump term,
Bolton has become a harsh critic of Trump, and so
the FBI of course searched his home found some older
documents might classified, so the changes are expected to relate
to the handling of classified documents. Of course, before his reelection,
Trump was charged over mishandling of classified documents sims off
after those images of boxes of papers piled up in

(21:03):
a bathroom at Mary Lago. The case was delayed by
a Trump friendly judge at the time, then finally dismissed
since by that moment Trump again was sitting president. And
now Trump is signaling that this is not the end
of his bid to get even with some of those
who have opposed him. With his FBI director Cash Ptail
and Attorney General Pam Bonding standing behind him and simply

(21:24):
smiling and nodding, Trump laid out even more names.

Speaker 13 (21:26):
Jack Smith, in my opinion, is a criminal, and I
noticed his interviewer was, I think there was Weissman, and
I hope they're going to look into Weissman too. Weissman's
a bad guy, and he had somebody and Lisa, who
was his puppet, worked in the office really as the
top person, and I think that she should be looked

(21:49):
at very strongly. I hope they'll look at it. Shifty Shift.
I hope they'll look at it. All these people and
I'm allowed to find out I'm allowed to, you know,
I'm in theory the chief law enforcement officer.

Speaker 15 (22:00):
Not that falls to the Attorney General, who again was
just shuffling in place as Trump was speaking. Meanwhile, for
the first time ever, the Pentagon is without reporters right now,
and all the major journalists from the Pentagon packed their
bags left the place, refusing to sign a demand by
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that they would publish only what
the government tells them. Those refusing include Hegseth's former bosses

(22:20):
at Fox News, along with well every major outlet ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NBC,
The AP, The Atlantic, Huffington Post, the Los Angeles Times,
New York Times, Washington Post, Reutters, the Wall Street Journal,
on and on only the one America News Network, a
Trump supporting group, signed that Pentagon Pact. In making this

(22:41):
outrageous demand for limits on free speech, Hegserth has gone
into hiding pretty much in a way that is quite
different from his boss, of course, speaks to the media
almost daily. Tek Seth has appeared to be politically isolated
since his troubled confirmation, his phone chat scandal, and his
firing of top Pentagon associates.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Now, what is Trump to in Venezuela.

Speaker 15 (23:01):
Yeah, good question, could be a major escalation ahead. Trump
has taken the unusual step of openly confirming that he's
authorized CIA action in that country.

Speaker 13 (23:10):
He says, we are certainly looking at land now because
we've got to see very well under control.

Speaker 15 (23:15):
Trump says also that he's considering US military strikes on
Venezuelan and soil. He says the US military carried out
attack on another boat in the Grivian which he says
was carrying drugs bound for this country. This is one,
of course, in a series of attacks on such boats
that we've seen in recent days. But Republican Senator Around
Paul says there's been no evidence that those involved actually
are drug smugglers.

Speaker 12 (23:35):
So there's a one in four chance, statistically speaking, that
one of these boats may not have had any drugs
on it. We will never know because they were blown
to smither ring well.

Speaker 15 (23:46):
The NBC network has reported that Pentagon is drawing up
options to target drug traffickers inside Venezuelan. Trump was asked
if the CIA has authority to quote take out the
president of Venezuela and Nicholas Maduro.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
His reply, was diculous question for me to be given.

Speaker 13 (24:02):
Not really a ridiculous question, but wouldn't it be a
ridiculous question for me to answer?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
So take that as you will, all right, mate, So
you Monday appreciate it. Richard Arnold state so peace in
the Sidney Morning Herald if you want to read it today.
He's an interesting bloke. He's Goya called Mark Bryant. He
lives in Lexington in Kentucky, and for reasons best known
to himself, I suppose he thinks he's doing some sort
of community good but he monitors gun violence in America.
It's quite an in depth article. He's got a team,
quite a team actually, that monitors every single shooting in

(24:29):
America and on gun violence. It's on average. Well, so
let me give you so far. This last year, six
eight hundred and eighty one people were shot dead in America.
Sixteen thousand, eight hundred and eighty one they're dead, and
there were thirty one thy seven hundred and ninety injured.
So that's a typical year on average. And it's right,
he argues. It's remarkably consistent. It varies day to day,

(24:53):
but overall it's remarkably consistent. There is one hundred and
fifteen shootings each and every day, every single day in America.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Tender way for the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vita
retirement Communities news togs had been.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Just UIs related the cane. I told you Stalentis yesterday.
Massive injection into production in America, thirteen fourteen billion dollars worth.
No one could work out and we still hadn't been
able to whether or not that was pre announceder whether
or not they're trying to suck up to Trump and say, hey,
look at us, we're putting those money back into America. Anyway,
the Canadians are ropable because part of that announcement involved
them moving the compass. The model comes, you know, the

(25:32):
Jeep compass. That's a rubbish car. I bought one of those.
That was a mistake. Couldn't get rid of it fast
enough anyway. No disrespect to Stalantis or Jeep or anyone
listening this morning, but.

Speaker 16 (25:41):
I disrespectful to be honest.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, no, I bought it. I paid with my own money.
Katie and I were out walking hand in hand and
we decided we needed a car, and we were walking
literally past the shop and we said, why don't we
buy one of those? And we literally walked in and
we bought.

Speaker 16 (25:57):
This reminds me of the time that Sir Paul Holmes
drove past the miniature horses and decided he wanted a
bunch of those.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I'd rather have a miniature horse than jeep compass. Because
we bought in there. It was all these jeep compasses there,
and I said, which way, I said, this one looks nice,
I said, and he goes, oh, you're Lucky Day. And
I thought, oh, you sucked him, good Michael, Ye're Lucky Day.
They're on sale, so I bid them down. But anyway,
no disrespect. What was wrong with it specifically, It's just
when you got in it, you felt, I mean, they're

(26:26):
a bit cheap, to be honest. And I got in
it and I thought, this feels like it's a bit cheap.
And we drive it up and down to the country
for a while and we thought, well is this US
and she said no, so we got rid of it.
Didn't not good resol value, though not bad resoel value.
I'll give you that. So for all the JEP people listening,

(26:47):
and I mean it didn't.

Speaker 16 (26:48):
Mean Harris and Ford was probably queuing up for one mimute.
It wasn't the electric one, I.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Take it, certainly wasn't the electric one. I got to
use the electric one because the engine and it barely worked.
You put the foot down. There's a brand new car.
The Jeep people thoroughly pissed off with me now, So
it's just I can say that because I paid my
good money and I bought the thing. So I'm entitled.

Speaker 13 (27:13):
People.

Speaker 16 (27:14):
You know, they listen to you talk about these things
and they go there, guy's got no taste.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I'm going to go out and buy one of those
sales will go through the roof of Hosking hates. It's
got to be good. That'll be what that's about, isn't it.
I was going to give you. I've got some very
good stats on jobs. The job market, by the way,
is coming to life. National job numbers. I have to
do more of this after eight after seven sometime this
morning on the program, because I've got no idea what
any time it is. Anyway, job listings are up thirteen percent.

(27:38):
This is good. South Island leading the way as Southland
to Targo, Canterbury, absolutely fantastic. Tourism is good anyway, let
me come back to the number shortly five minutes away
from seven.

Speaker 8 (27:49):
Well, the ins and the outs, it's the fizz with
business favor take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Is that a record for me? I've told the time
wrong twice in one hour. There's gonna be some sort
of nowhere here. It's just I'm aware of it. I'm
not aware of it. Norton report this morning looks at
how we're advertised to how many of us are willing
to give away personal info for a couple of bucks off.
It's all part of the Norton Gen Threat Report. So
thirty one percent of us say we make purchases, especially

(28:16):
for holidays like Christmas or Easter, through social media ads.
The scam is not too because fifty percent of all
scams on social media are links that take you to
fake online shops. But that doesn't stop us apparently, I mean,
how dumb are we? So, according to Norton, fifty one
percent of us so we've given away our personal info
to receive a discount. Millennials are the worst, aren't they always?

(28:37):
I mean, isn't it that's just a general statement, isn't it.
Millennials are the worst doesn't matter what the topic is.
Millennials are the worst sixty five percent of getting sucked
and gen z forty eight percent so that they'll take
unconventional and risky methods to get high demand gifts. Twenty
two percent will buy from questionable ads. Fourteen percent will

(28:57):
buy from strangers online. Do you know we mis pronounce
burken stock? It's burken stock. ID a very interesting article.
It's like Schoder, isn't it. It is like Schoder and Steinlager.

Speaker 11 (29:14):
Mess.

Speaker 16 (29:14):
You'd be saying it's pronounced jeep exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
We aren't convinced chat GBT is going to help us either.
Twenty three percent say we use chat GBT to generate
gift ideas. I mean, what a bunch of losers.

Speaker 16 (29:26):
Is it true that some generations will drive halfway across
Auckland for a bar of chocolate?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
That is so true, It is so true, straight to
tacking any in the NICs and gtr SAM, go see
Sally for the Dubai chocolate. Put it in the boot.
Wonder why it's melted when you get home. Fifty seven
percent say they're worried they'll fall for an Ai shopping scam.
No kidding. Quarter past nine, by the way us for

(29:52):
you in a couple of moments. This business of the
Mowbrays and the laws and the I mean the horse
has bolted, hasn't it when it comes to online and
the court reistiction. So we'll have a look at this
after the news which is next year of news.

Speaker 9 (30:02):
Talk A set a plasten on me twice.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Credible, compelling, The Breakfast show you can't bess it's the
Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Defender Embrace the Impossible news
togs dead b seven.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
So the old what you can say online sigers back
for another round. This time it's the Mobray family of
Zuru fame issues around name suppression rumors on TikTok. Isn't
that a weird saying for the aja rumors on TikTok? Anyway,
they wrongly named Nick Mobray as the man from a
wealthy Kiwi family jailed over child sex abuse material family
says the rumors of damage and convicted child sex offenders
shouldn't get their names suppressed now Auckland University Senior Law

(30:39):
lecture in Nicky Chamberlain's But it's Nicky.

Speaker 17 (30:41):
Morning, Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I find the seedlessly fascinating, don't you. I can't work
out a way round this. I mean, the horse has
bolted when it comes to jurisdiction and online hasn't it.

Speaker 17 (30:52):
Yeah, it's it's a real problem. I mean there are
various competing interests at play. You know, if you're wanting
to go after the actual online provider for defamation, say,
for example, are under the Harmful Digital Communications Act, the
online providers such as TikTok has a reasonable period of
time after they receive notice to take down the offending content.

(31:16):
Because obviously an platform like TikTok or Facebook or Twitter
or x as it's now known, you know, how are
they going to know what's there? You know, people who
are on those platforms are posting if it's true or false, right,
so they need to receive notice before they can take
it down. And as you said, the horse has already
bolted to some extent because it's already been up for

(31:36):
a period of time and probably shared by by various people.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
What about the line of being convicted. Now I haven't
followed this case, but my understanding is they're appealing. So yes,
you're convicted, but you're appealing. I would argue that you
still deserve name suppression in case something happens, and therefore
you'll not ruin for life reputationally.

Speaker 17 (31:55):
That's right, that's absolutely right. So you know, while proceedings
are still on foot, the name suppression will will I
imagine stay in place so that there's no no prejudice.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
What if you're in charge of everything legally in the world, Nikki,
what we do do?

Speaker 17 (32:13):
Well, that's really a really good question. I mean the
first the first thing is that obviously if the person
who the statements are being made falsely about knows who
the people who are the primary instigators, right, So the
person who's actually posting the allegation on the platforms, you
would go after them because you can definitely see them

(32:34):
in defamation for example, and civil law. You've got the
Harmful Digital Communications Act, and in fact there are criminal
senses under that act if people make comments which are
false allegations.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
And Nicky, that's fine for the Mowbrays, But for the
individual who doesn't have the money, doesn't have a lawyer,
and the persons in Louisville, Kentucky, you know, there's nothing
you can do, is there.

Speaker 17 (32:57):
It's really hard, No, it's really hard. Look, you can
go to net safe and try to get net Safe
to get them to remove the content. But you're going
to have jurisdictional issues.

Speaker 11 (33:07):
Right.

Speaker 17 (33:08):
Anytime you have an order in New Zealand, it doesn't
necessarily take effect somebody overseas because you're going to have
to get that order recognized in the foreign jurisdiction for
it to then be able to take effect. And so
you're absolutely right, it's at that stage going to be very,
very difficult for the average Joe blog to be able
to be able to get any sort of assistance other

(33:29):
than to go directly to the internet provider. But again
with reasonable notice. It's not going to come down immediately, right,
and the damage may already be done.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Appreciate your expertise as always, and you have a good weekend.
Nicki Chamberlain, another of the Oakland University. Ten minutes past seven,
Pascal Wow, fascinating you fore castpar Our Economy Infometrics thinks
the Reserve Bank's going to count next month. Well, hopefully done,
we all, but that impact won't flow through until mid
next year. Right by that time, they argue your expert
raturns and earlier rate cuts they'll have kicked in growth

(33:58):
will have fired up and all of a sudden we
face the prospect of a bit of overheating. So Gareth
Kennan's the infometrics to forecaster of course, and it's back
with us. Gareth, Morning, morning, Mike. Haven't talked to you
for ages. You're feeling good?

Speaker 18 (34:11):
Well, I've been taking them happy pills, haven't I It's
been a little while since we've talked about upside risks
to them.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Bring on some overheating. I'm looking well. Whins it arrived?

Speaker 18 (34:21):
Well, yeah, probably the sort of middle to the latter
part of next year. We think the growth will be
pushing up towards over two percent. I mean that's not
rapid growth, but we're still looking at a picture where
population growth is relatively weak, and as you say, over
the last couple of years we've had nothing going backwards.
So it is looking like better times coming through. But
the warriors you get through to twenty twenty seven and

(34:42):
then the bank probably need to start hiking rates up again.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Now we're talking. Next week we get to read on
the inflation, which may well breach three. Is that part
of this or do we look through that? But for
now and still wait for some real growth to come
through in twenty six.

Speaker 18 (34:55):
Yeah, I don't see a lot of concern around that
sort of inflation number next week, although you're right it's
close to the top of the target band for the bank.
When you look past the sort of electricity, the insurance,
the rates, right through most of the rest of the CPI,
there's not a lot of price pressures there. It reflects
the weak demand across the economy, so quite different to
what we were seeing three or four years ago.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
How confident in this forecast are you?

Speaker 19 (35:19):
There's still a.

Speaker 18 (35:19):
Lot of uncertainty out there, let's be honest, and that
does factor through into the reserve banks thinking and their
decision making at the moment.

Speaker 19 (35:25):
You know, you've still got.

Speaker 18 (35:26):
The international situation rumbling on with tariffs and you know
what Trump is doing.

Speaker 19 (35:31):
In that space.

Speaker 18 (35:32):
You've had a little bit of weakness coming through, not
a lot, but just a little bit of cautionary signs
in terms of dairy prices and horticulture prices recently as well.
And you know, anyone who listens to economists over the
last eighteen months will have been told several times that
the economy is going to be improving, and they've yet
to see it, of course.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, exactly. Cash rate you say back two three, So
remembering it's low twos, cash right back to three by
the end of twenty seven. So what you're arguing is
we're down and then we're going to fire up, and
by firing up, we're back up to three. So it's
it's down, then it's up.

Speaker 11 (36:03):
That's right.

Speaker 18 (36:04):
Then let's be honest, three percent doesn't really concern us.
That's kind of getting back to neutral. The risk for us,
and this is not our central forecast, but the risk
that we're increasingly starting to become concerned about is that
rather than going to three percent by the end of
twenty twenty seven, you're back up to four percent and
then you've got mortgae tracks up over six percent.

Speaker 9 (36:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Interesting, all right mate, go well, appreciate it. Gareth Kernan
out of Infometrics, Brenda mccullums in the country. Of course,
we've got the t twenties and the one ODI ice
to come ahead of the Ashes. Who we think is
he thinking about the ashes that is concerned you know what? Anyway,
he's with us up to seven thirty this morning. The
Alliance meat Works story yesterday got super fascinating if it
wasn't fascinating already. More shortly thirteen past.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
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Speaker 11 (36:48):
At b Mike.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
So we've gone from survive to twenty five to Heaven
and twenty seven. You can own that. By the way,
if anyone else steals it, remember where you heard it
for sixteen minutes past seven. Now tell you what this
next week is going to be fascinating if you're following
the Alliance story. So Dawn Meets out of Ireland have
offered big money to take a major stake in the
meat works. They've lifted their offer yesterday from two fifty
to two seventy million, still for the sixty five percent slice.
Now the votes Monday. Jeff Grant is the spokesperson for

(37:13):
the Alliance Shareholders Group and is with us on this.
Jeff money to you.

Speaker 11 (37:17):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
So here's the interest. Here's what it really got interesting
for me yesterday two fifty to two seventy Why suddenly
profit Whoop's profit wasn't the argument. We're not profitable, we
can't make money, We're never going to be able to
pay it back. So we've got to sell. That's the
company's argument, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (37:32):
Yes, And they have a history of being a profitable company,
and then two years where they had some abnormal, predictably
losses caused by arrange of factors, and then went to
the market ferously. You bumbled what you could describe as
share raise within the current co op that failed, then

(37:56):
went to the market through crags to find an alternative
and the solution.

Speaker 11 (38:01):
Would have probably got survived. That have been fifty to fifty, but.

Speaker 20 (38:05):
Fifty five percent of the profits going off sure has
probably stirred a lot of the farmers. And on the
basis of that, in the eighteen months since they Cruz
started to raise the cattle, the company has turned around
substantially from a seventy million dollar loss to looking like
you know, turned around at least ninety twoe hundred million
dollars in the last twelve months.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah so yeah, See, this is the thing I can't
work out. If you're telling me they're not going to
be able to get a deal with the banks the
debts due in December, they say they can't get a deal.
Do the people are against it? Do they believe that
or not?

Speaker 20 (38:41):
Look, two things one is that the proposition put up
by the group of five effectively showed between a small
amount of debt, some capital sales, and on the basis
the shaarholder investment, they could turn it around in three years.
You'd have to ask the question though, on the nineteenth

(39:01):
of December, with the bank's closed six days before Christmas,
just at the start of the major flow of kill
both and beef and sheet meat. It makes you wonder
in terms of the thinking. Yes, there is a two
hundred million dollar loss one hundred and eighty million dollars
in debt. There is a one hundred and ninety one
million dollar tax loss which will only be able to

(39:23):
be used by thirty five percent of this year holding
if they went through with the duals. So there are
options there and we have explored those as well.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
And the other thing is what a dorn meets want.
Do they want to strip it or they want to
grit it? I mean they say they want to grow it,
but I mean, how can you grow it If the
company's bag it, then it's in so much trouble. What's
the magic of Dawn Meats to come in and wave
a wand and suddenly do something that you guys can't
do anyway.

Speaker 11 (39:46):
Well you even know what the iris.

Speaker 20 (39:47):
Might the real scale.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Do they have access to Europe and tea?

Speaker 20 (39:51):
Look, there are some synergies for door meat. They are
good operators in terms of the European market, have a
higher history be for lesson sheep meat, and I think
there are some synergies they could bring. But does that
effectively say well, well, actually you've given them the opportunity
buy the company at the lowest point of its history

(40:12):
and on the basis of the profits projected forward in
terms of the reports, will you say, well that was
a good deal for them?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
You reckon? You got the numbers or not.

Speaker 20 (40:23):
It's like any election in terms of the democratic process.
Farmers got a choice of yes or no. We'll know
on the day.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Fantastic, Well, the day is Monday, so they'll be a
bit of talking over the weekend. Of course. I think
the meeting opens at eleven a voting at eleven forty five,
and it's the next day that election. New Zealand is
involved in the county. I found that interesting, but nevertheless
it's the next day, So Tuesday we'll find out. Mark
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and current events that has seen a twenty three percent improvement. Actually,
now that's written with windows eleven. Matt Payne nine game
highlight of the week didn't just win, but one one
of the best dreams coming true. A two hundred and
eighty Conrad. Doesn't get any better than that. The cease

(42:03):
fire eight.

Speaker 13 (42:03):
At some point, that at all, that whole thing has
to start.

Speaker 11 (42:07):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
The rest is yet to unfold, of course, but Tuesday
was a win for a lot of people. The methane
target seven common sense move of the week crippling the
economy while others do little of anything, makes literally no sense.
Migration to worry of the week, The fact it's ongoing,
the fact that they're still leaving while those arriving drop
off is a long term recipe for disaster. Gail Parata eight,

(42:30):
my hero of the week. Standing on principle and speaking
out is increasingly rare these days, So good on her.
HOSPO seven never made as much money as they have
this past year. Surely we can celebrate that the Reserve
Banks LBR move this week six the right thing to do.
But ask yourself, what's changed? Apart for one bloke leading
the building Hey education seven surely apart from Matt Paine,

(42:51):
the week's big winner material gains and maths and English
and phonics hashtag on the right track fung array heads
seven biggest turn out for the local bodies at fifty
eight point nine percent. Almost like you kind of like democracy?
Are the BSA two interventionist sticky beak traying it on
full of their own self importance? Picker term the cold

(43:12):
hard truth is very few and broadcasting. I can tell
you give a monkey's given their a relevancy. Brian tammocky
eight good got turned down on closing the Auckland Harbor Bridge.
Are the bridges for transport, not politics? Are the well?
The All Blacks naming seven first stop Chicago. Now the
Mike Hosking book is open. It's got all four wins
to the All Blacks with the proviso if we lose one,

(43:35):
it'll be the first one to Ireland. And that's the
wet copies on the website and nows so yesterday, by
the way, marking the week is still covering the Pentagon.
Hosking right back to those job numbers from trading this morning,
National job market. This is good promising signs of a pickup.
That's their words, not mine. Listings up thirteen percent compared
to the previous quarter. South Island off and running south
and up twenty five A Tigo seven canterboraries six Canterbariyes

(43:59):
had are court. Number of job listings in the court
largest volume two overall quarter to quarter increases. That's up
twenty two percent. What can I tell you? A hospitin
tourism up sixteen, construction roading up thirteen You've got to
be pleased about that because somebody texted earlier on saying
that until construction moves, the economy is not moving, which
is probably at least partially right. But I mean construction
and roading up thirteen percent. Trades and services up eight

(44:21):
and a half. Nationwide average pay now sits at seventy
two eight hundred and twenty dollars. A number of industries
reached average salary. What have we got banking and financing
into that one hundred and three thousand, healthcare seventy eight thousand,
manufacturing and ops sixty six, admin sixty seven in the office,
property one o three, Trades and services seventy three. Our
top three highest paid roles. If you want to look

(44:42):
at that, it which is programming and development one thirty five,
Finance Managers and controllers one thirty two, in business and
systems analyst one twenty six. See I'd live if you
were on an average seller. I've said this a million times,
but the average salary around the country is remarkably similar
no matter where you are. Seventy five in Auckland, where's
Wellington Accountcy Wellington, you probably dropped off the list. He

(45:03):
go seventy five, and Wellington seventy five, on the West
coast seventy three and Otarga. Basically it's seventy one, two
or three thousand dollars. So if you're on the average
wage in this country, then why don't you live somewhere cheap?
Why don't you pick somewhere nice with some sun, go
near some beach or some land farmland. See you go
for a walk in the countryside, earn your average salary

(45:24):
in a place that's left. It's less expensive than that.
Makes seats news for you. In a couple of moments,
then we'll talk cricket with Brendan McCallum. You're at Newstalk zedb.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
No fluff, just facts and fierce debate. The Mike Hosking
breakfast with Bailey's real estate finding the buyers others can't
use togs.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Edb between min from being a Friday intimidating did the
work after Murray Oldton from Australia. Their unemployment numbered yesterday
is Andrew alluded to earlier in the program. Doesn't look good.
So for all the people looking to leave New Zealand
for Australia, thinks Angels flashy economically over there as you
might get you ate that school to come. Meantime, Summer
of Creditor is here. The team twenty with England Hagley
able tomorrow which is probably one of the most beautiful

(46:05):
grounds going ahead of the the ODIs as of next week.
England's coaches, of course Brendan McCullum, who's back in the
country and as well as Brendan morning, good morning. I
are you enjoying it all?

Speaker 19 (46:17):
Yes, absolutely, I am feel very privileged to be in
a position of men. Obviously England as a sizeable cricketing
nation and we've got obviously a lot of passion and
behind the game, a lot of history and behind our
team and then we've got some some wonderful talent and
some great series that we're a part of. So yeah,

(46:38):
very privileged in the position of men especially. I guess
I've been out of playing too long to pick up
this job and get to work with these guys. Been
a real pleasure.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Do you feel at home.

Speaker 19 (46:50):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 11 (46:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (46:52):
Yeah, Well I mean in New Villain now.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
No, no, no, within the England environment.

Speaker 19 (46:58):
Yeah, yeah, so I think. I mean, it's very similar.
The guys are very similar to the KII boys. I've
now been in that job, what three years or so,
and I feel like I've got a really good relationship
with all the guys who have been around the side,
whether that's some of the fellows who have moved on,

(47:20):
all the younger members who have come in. I love
being a part of sporting teams I've been. I'm a
social sort of guy and I enjoyed being surrounded by
a company and trying to give guys opportunities to realize
their talents. Yeah. I certainly enjoyed myself and Phil at home.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Cricket isn't the same as some of the other sports
in terms of nationality. Was it a thing that you
got appointed the England coach and did that need to
settle down.

Speaker 19 (47:47):
Look, it wasn't too bad, to be honest, I think,
you know, I think when I took over the job
it was a clear thirst for change in a different
direction was identified required for then when set up, and
you know, I guess my skills were kind of suited
and my approach was suited to the direction that my boss,

(48:08):
Rob Key and Cricket wanted to take at the time,
and hence hints why I was put in that position.
And you know, I think more I've tried to do
over the last three years, it's been in thick and
how to. I think that was the style that I
bring to the job and try and get the very
best out of all the guys that sit with the
mat Inland dressing room. I think one thing have which

(48:28):
is is quite a sizable difference to New Zealand. As
much as there's there's noise around the performance of the
New Zealand cricket team, I think we will probably admit
that the performance of the All Blacks has slightly more
importance in this country. And if we look at the
English cricket there is a huge following and behind the
team and a lot of spotlight. And one of the

(48:49):
things that I try and do with with this group
of players is try and quiet and down some of
that noise so that their skills can come out on
the biggest stage.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I'm glad you raise that because I follow I'm big
into the British media and it is a thing, particularly
the tabloids. Is that a pain in the ass.

Speaker 19 (49:08):
It can be if you want, if you want to
let it get to you. From our point, I remember
walking into the first press conference I had and after
being appointed as England coach at Lord's and I remember
going when I was captain at Gizellamal can only be
three or four journalists there. I'm always thinking, as much
as this spotlight on that and this pressure that comes
with playing at this level, wouldn't it be great if

(49:29):
we had a lot more following and we're always trying
to inspire and trying to put out performances which would
would make cricket more relevant in this country. And when
I walked into lords, I mean remember there was about
sixty five journalists there and I thought, a right, shit,
this is a bit different. So this is what a stage?
What an opportune then you either let that affect you
or you see it is what a great platform to
be able to try and do something special and know

(49:53):
that this the sport and these guys are going to
be followed and if you can get it right then
you've got a great opportunity to try and inspire the
next the next generation of cricketers, well, the next generation
of athletes. So I say to choose cricketer over other sports.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, because the interesting thing is, of course, even though
we're excited to have you here and this is going
to be good and all that sort of stuff, if
you I'm sure you're aware the Australian media is already
busy talking up and down the Ashes things, so it's
it's with you for that period of time. Are you
aware of that? And how do you distance yourself from
the Ashes right here, right now to concentrate on what
you're doing.

Speaker 19 (50:29):
Yeah, I think. Look, the Ashes is clearly going to
be a massive series. It means so much to both
countries and we've followed all all around the world and
there'll be spotlight on our team and the Australian team
like these guys have probably never had before. Excuse me,
but from one of the things we try we try

(50:51):
and do throughout the time that we were in this
role as trying to try and keep the boys firmly
grounded on what's in front of us. And we know
we got to steal a line from Gilbert and Oka.
We try and stay with our feedal and we want
to We want to make sure that we treat this
series against New Zealand for a very strong home with

(51:12):
the absolute respect that it deserves, and try and not
only get perform toos on the field, but try and
create some memories and some experiences for some guys a
tour in this country for the first time as well.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
We had Gilbert and Oker on the program the other day.
Isn't he awesome?

Speaker 19 (51:27):
He's brilliant. He's a good maid of mine as well.
And I was lucky when I lived for a period
of time in christ Sheitch. I've actually lived across the
road from Gilbert and I've got to know him really well.
I've worked with them throughout the New Zealand cricket throughout
money Owen cricket career when he's employed in that job,
and consider him a good friend. He's a wonderful human being,
truly humble, and high performed person in his life, and

(51:50):
he's got wonderful ethics and integrity and he's recently come
on board as a bit of a consultant with US
England as well. I asked him to join us in
the small capacity and he's made a sizeable impact on
what we're trying to do and he's the best in
the business of what he does, and we're very lucky
that he's agreed to help us.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Fantastic. The all formats thing that you're now in charge
of didn't start that way. One was it your plan
to be in charge, hopefully of all formats? And two
is that the way to go?

Speaker 19 (52:25):
Well, it wasn't my plan to be in charge of
any formats because I was pretty happy sort of thing
the life that I had. Had a little sports breakfast
show with Israel Dag and we were sort of having
a bit of fun doing that on the radio, and
I was doing a bit of cricket commentary, and I
was coaching over in India with Colcata Night Riders and
over and the Caribbean with the Trimbagger Night Riders, and

(52:47):
I was enjoying the next stage of life. But sometimes
in life, opportunities are too good to turn down, and
the size of the job and the opportunity to try
and make sizeable change with the talent that England possesses
was too good to turn down and ease. When it
first came up, most people probably thought that I was
more more suited to the white Ball job. But for me,

(53:12):
my skills aren't really taking teams from good to great
per se there. That's where I need to bring in
some help, and someone like Gilbert's perfect for that. But
my skills are probably more suited to try to big
a team a bit of soul and to try and
strip out a lot of the external noise and the
extra stuff which goes on. And I looked at the
test site and saw that as a team that had
won one out of seventeen tests and were clearly clearly

(53:35):
keen to change how they approached, and with Ben Stokes
as captain, who was very aligned to how I like
to do things, and we've become very good mates since
we've been in this job, it just seemed like the
logical choice and the bigger job at at hand. And
then obviously you know, since then the White Will side,
after winning two been double world champions, went through a

(53:57):
little bit of a lull too, so that probably that
then allowed the opportunity for me to step into this role.
And I know it's a big role and it was
quite demanding, and it does mean that there is a
long time away from home. But I'm very lucky that
you get the support of those close to you and
and they understand that this is a great pleasure and

(54:17):
a great opportunity to try and do something while you're
while you've you're you're wanted by an organization. So it's
good fun. There is challenging days, but the other fun
days too. It was easy then you know it wouldn't
be as much fun. So we're very very helpful, humble
to be in the position that we're in.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Good on you. I know you're away for a long time.
I get all of that because it's cricket. But I
mean you're sitting here talking in the middle of October
and the dashes aren't over till January. You're away from
this seems longer than normal. Is that true?

Speaker 19 (54:47):
It is quite Yeah, this would be one of the
biggest stretches. It's pretty good, pretty good fun, and I
mean you sit around watch some of the best players
in the world go about their business. You get to
play in front of fool houses the whole time. There's
plenty of eye on the team that you're in charge of,
and you're playing a bit of golf and having a
couple of beers and watching guys grow in between. And
it's a pretty good gag. I must admit it's good.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
That's not the Are you gonna beat us?

Speaker 19 (55:16):
I don't know, we'll find out. I think John's a
good side. We've bought a strong side here, hopefully no
early season and you've gone. We get conditions which allow
us to play both teams playing staining cricket. I think
in the shorter form of the game. You know, we've
seen how resourceful news On are, so we we know
what they're going to bring. Mitchell Satton has done a

(55:36):
great job since taking over the cap and say as well.
He's resourceful with his own game, but but also on
the way it goes about things, and they're in a
bit of transition. Then he's on side, but we certainly
respect him and know that we're left to be at
our best to feed him good stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Nice to talk to you, mate, I appreciate your time
very much.

Speaker 19 (55:52):
Pleasure, enjoy listening to you.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Good on you. Nice to talk to Brendan McCallum. It
is thirteen minutes away from.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
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Speaker 2 (56:05):
It'd be I turn away from a great interview Mike Love,
hearing from another key at the top of his game,
chasing the dream on the international stage. It's inspiring. Couldn't
a dream more? If I had time, and I didn't,
I was going to ask him about the flint Off
documentary specifically, and if you haven't seen that, it's I
Was Torn. It's on Netflix. There's a couple of them
about that. I'm talking about the original one though we
first spoke about his accident and sort of you were

(56:26):
looking for information on the accident because he hadn't spoken.
But probably the most one of the most moving parts
in the documentary was when he went back to his
old cricket club and they gave him some work and
got him involved. And what the game of cricket and
the friendship and kinship of fellows sports people did for
his rehabilitation was really quite moving, and so I was

(56:48):
interested in what Brendan had to say about that, but
we didn't have time morning, Mike. It's great to hear
he was doing well overseas and growing their own brand
while being very humble. It's true, Andrew Brenda mccollins one
of the sharpest minds in sport generally. He's a very
likable guy, which brings me ironically to this text, and
I wasn't going to raise it until this text. How
is it Brendan McCullum, Mike is coming on your show
as he doesn't like you? And in that there is

(57:10):
a story nineteen.

Speaker 16 (57:11):
I come on every day and I'm not a bigger fan.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
The Mike Hocking, Breakfast with the Defender and us Tom
saed B Mike.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Don't we have some awesome people representing our country. What
a nice, humble guy Brendan McCullum and Matt Paine. Yeah,
we've had a very good week in that particular department.
But back to the text. Now here was the story.
One of the great sadnesses of my life was the
fact that Brendan McCullum allegedly wouldn't talk to me. And
so this was especially back in the days when he
got the job, because everyone wanted to talk to Brendan

(57:38):
mcullum when he got the job, and the reason he
wouldn't talk to me allegedly, And I got this through
a guy called Garth Galloway, and I'm sure he won't
mind me using his name, but Garth's a good guy.
And Garth and I go back away because Garth's dad,
Ian Galloway, is a legend of New Zealand cricket and
Ian and I would sit in a caravan too long
a story to tell while he did the commentary Central

(57:59):
Otago eating cherries, and I mean just the Galloway family,
the nice people in the world. Anyway, Garth was I
think i'm writing saying, Brendan McCullum's manager for a while.
Garth's a lawyer, well known, he was his manager. Anyway,
it all got complicated because they perceived me to take
the side of Chris Ken's. So if you don't know

(58:19):
the story, I won't bore you with the detail. But
Ken's got himself in tremendous trouble legally speaking. A number
of years ago I observed that when Ken's went to court,
and I happened to be in England at the time,
and it went along to the South at court, and
I watched the trial. It was the most fascinating thing
in the world. Anyway, I observed that judicially speaking, I
didn't think that Chris Ken's would be found guilty for

(58:40):
what he was charged with. Now, McCullum allegedly took that
as a slight against him, because it was Ken's v. McCullum,
if you remember it, and McCullum took that as a
slight against him, and it was never a slight against him.
But because I don't know Brendan, never talked to Brendan
about it, but he just sort of didn't like me
because of that, And so I wasn't siding with taking side.
I was just making a judicial observation. As it turns

(59:00):
out judicially, if you followed the story, it turns out
I was right because Ken's did get found not guilty.
So I wasn't casting Hissberuss on any individual concern. But
as a result of that, Galloway once time he said,
Brendan's never talking to you again, and so the iron
I thought, well, that's life. But that's a shame, because
Brendan's a hell of a nice guy and I wouldn't
mind talking to him. So anyway, I tuned up three

(59:20):
o'clock this morning and Brendan mccullums on the program, and
I think, what the hell's happened here? Something we has
gone wrong here? Does he know who he is talking to?

Speaker 13 (59:28):
Do?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Did they say when you're coming on ZIB this morning,
it's guy Hosking's going to be on the other end
of the line. Was it a surprise when I say
morning Brendan and you go, it's this Hosking? What happened there?
But he, you know, maybe maybe the waters of life
and time have passed enough for him to come on
the show. My next dilemma was should I raise it
with him on air? And I thought, no, better or
not because things went well. I thought things went extremely

(59:51):
well and I thoroughly enjoyed talking to him, and I
thank him very much for it.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Who's the perfect me?

Speaker 21 (01:00:11):
I'm not do it?

Speaker 9 (01:00:13):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Really in there before? What has happened?

Speaker 11 (01:00:17):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Quite and I think he's likable too. Now the album
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is otherwise about temptation, seduction and longing. Actually not unlike
this program, do you think about it? He co authored
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in the writing, not in the performance. Ask garf uncle,
he went at the hard way sixteen tracks of Khalid,

(01:00:59):
fourteen nine minutes and fifty nine seconds. I see, I
would have taken the track and not ended it cold,
gone over the fifty minute, mate, I mean fifty so
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Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
A week in review with two degrees fighting for fair
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Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Is Khaleig your mate? Tim?

Speaker 22 (01:01:19):
I might have beenter viewed him once, swed to the
concert when it was spark Arena.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Pretty good, so interesting. I remember you telling me the
story about you interviewing Khalid and how much you loved him,
And yet hear such a short time, lady, you can't
even barely remember the guy.

Speaker 9 (01:01:34):
Here's the deal.

Speaker 22 (01:01:35):
Our first kid took away ninety percent of my memory.
The second one took away ninety percent of the ten
percent that's left.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
What's your name again, exactly, Cadie, how are you?

Speaker 21 (01:01:45):
I'm excellent, Thank you very much. And I just I
would have asked Brendan McCullum about that on it because
he might have actually forgot I had forgotten about that,
and he may also have forgotten about that.

Speaker 9 (01:01:57):
It's like Khaleid.

Speaker 21 (01:01:59):
Until he raised it, I was like, oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
I remember Garth tellouis I hope Garth is a problem
with me telling him stories about Garth Galloway's Garth's lawyer
is probably going to assume me. But I remember Garth
telling me he goes. His words were, and I was
really heartbroken by it, And he said, you realize heartbroken? Well, no,
I was, because do you know you context?

Speaker 22 (01:02:22):
No, exactly Exactlyause here's the thing case I thought we
were going to get, you know, when he's like Brendan
mcullum wouldn't speak to me. I thought we were going
to get a plumbing of the depths of Mike's heart.
But it just turned out to be another I was right,
are you familiar with those?

Speaker 11 (01:02:40):
It was going.

Speaker 21 (01:02:41):
I knew that's right, this is going to end, and
I was right. But what I think I was right
story was he started it with one of my life's
great sadnesses, and I thought, well, if that is an
over egging something, I'm not sure what it's a great
life sadness that Brendan mcullum wouldn't talk.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
To you of this, it's no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
So I think about it from my point of view,
from a professional point of view, right, there are certain
people in the world that you enjoy talking to, or
you want to talk to, or you'd like to think
that would talk to you, or you get you know
what I'm saying. So from a job's point of view,
and so there are a lot of people who could go, look,
I'm never talking to you again. I can give a monkeys,
if not completely celebrate the fact they'll never have them
on the program again. But he was like, he's a

(01:03:20):
bright guy, and he's insightful, and he's successful, and you
think I'd like to have a relationship with him, you know,
so that because there will be a point down the
track where he does something substantive and wouldn't it be
good to be able to touch base with him, and
that was curtailed, and so especially when the British thing
came along, I thought, I'd love to be able to

(01:03:41):
talk to him about that. But you know, Garth said,
you realize he's never going to talk to you again,
and I thought, so, anyway, it seems to have come right.
He's moved on, You've moved on. We all forgot about
it until he remembered it.

Speaker 21 (01:03:55):
Did Sam give you any insights when you turn up
at three o'clock and said, wait, what's he doing on
the show?

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
What I've found out? Yeah? No, that's funny. You should
say that, because Jason, the boss, was and he reads
the set up the night before and he go, he
was surprised. You just told her. He was surprised that
he was on. Sam was away yesterday and didn't have
any inkling of what was going on the show. And
so I said to Sam this morning, I said, what's
the story of the McCallum And he goes, wouldn't have
the slightest idea I've been away. You know how people
go away for a day, they take a day off,

(01:04:20):
and they come back and pretend that nothing's happened, and
there's a lot of that.

Speaker 9 (01:04:24):
He was getting the dogs fades eight and a half
hours in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Let me tell you about the story about the spain. So, okay,
sam Sammy, Now this is what is Katie? What is Sammy?
Sammy's a millennial? Is he a gen Z? To Jennelfa,
what is he?

Speaker 21 (01:04:39):
I think he's a millennial?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Yeah, okay, So that's the problem with millennials.

Speaker 22 (01:04:44):
Yeah, it'd be at the top, it'd be at the
bottom end of millennial almost gen z, I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
And this is the problem with these people. So he
counter afford a dining table, count afford a dining table,
but he can afford nineteen thousand dollars for a crockadoodle do.
And so he goes and buys a pure bred dog.
And so part of the deal was he has to
take the dog back to the special vet that they
had requested, which happens to be in another town hours away.

(01:05:10):
And I said to Sammy, I said, you do realize
it's the Ponzi scheme, don't you that the breeder flicks
the money off to the vet and the whole thing's
dodg Yes, because the dog's getting spaded. It's not brain
it's not it's not brain surgery. He's not having a
heart transplant. He's just getting spade. So so he sets
off at four thirty yesterday morning, and then it and
GTR and all the way, hours and hours and hours

(01:05:30):
in the traffic, and then of course you dropped the
dog off and the dog's going to have a several
hour operation, then several hours of recovery. So Sam's just
wandering around the mountains, and the cafes and the beaches
were just filling in time, and then he's got to
pick the dog up and then he's got to take
it all the way back to walking. So he was
on the road yesterday sixteen hours. It was a sixteen
hour day in the GDR, along with the operation just
for this die dog and the Ponzi scheme you bought him.

Speaker 11 (01:05:52):
Couldn't he have done?

Speaker 9 (01:05:53):
Couldn't he have done?

Speaker 22 (01:05:54):
I mean, what seems a bit slack here, Mike. I mean,
if he's why is he wandering around the mountains and
drinking coffee?

Speaker 9 (01:06:00):
Little bit of set up for you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I couldn't agree that there was phone coverage. He could
have set Brendan McCallum up exactly, but anyway, we had exactly,
we had the villains, we had the Fillin's doing. And
what a great job the fillins did. They got me
Brendan McCallum, the greatest interview that I hadn't done yet I.

Speaker 22 (01:06:15):
Wanted to do about forget about peace between Israel and Gaza.

Speaker 9 (01:06:21):
Brenda McCallum, I asking.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Say no more.

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Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Sixteen hours and the GDR Mike, how can you afford
the fuel Jupiter? Buy a dining table? That's what I
keep telling him. For goodness sake, Sam, Is there a
warranty on the dog or something? Just go to an event?

Speaker 9 (01:06:47):
What to keep telling it?

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Young ones won't listen to all they guys, I've.

Speaker 21 (01:06:52):
Got a You might have Brendan McCallum on side, but
you don't have me, because this week I might need
to hire your garth Yelloway, I might need to hire
a lawyer because I notice, Actually I didn't notice because
I was on court at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
But the boss in court on.

Speaker 21 (01:07:08):
Court rackets, and the boss sent me a link to
an interview you did with the head of the BSA
where you threw me right under the bus and said,
you're taking up a shue with Sean Plunketts whatever platform.
What if I want to take issue and go to
court over my wife's Instagram And she said, well, that's interesting,

(01:07:28):
And you said, what if she's out in the field
saying what Sean's saying, which car suspersions that I would
ever do such a thing. And she goes, well, that's interesting,
that's something we would have.

Speaker 17 (01:07:37):
Why would you flag the same my Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Mediation required here to what I'm saying. What I was saying, Tim,
and I think you'll agree with me on this is.
I wasn't suggesting Katie would go down the Sewan Plunkett track,
because who does, and look where it's got them. What
I was suggesting is Katie's big on Instagram. She's got
a very large Instagram following, and therefore is that is
you do and there's that a radio show or the
equivalent of a radio show and sort of thing they

(01:08:04):
would look at as a radio program and therefore potentially ping.

Speaker 22 (01:08:08):
Her because but says she was about whether the BSA
has jurisdiction over the Internet or just telecommunications based communications,
and that's yeah, yeah, and Glenn, I think yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Glenn makes a very good point if they did look
at Katie's Instagram as a radio program a lot. There
are two things on Katie's Instagram that would be problematic
for the BSA. One of the nudes of me, and
the other one is the Warriors. Is the Warriors video
of me swearing and swearing and so exactly, well, it's well,
it's also the drinking. It's the drinking, drinking and we're

(01:08:43):
blind a lot better.

Speaker 19 (01:08:45):
And the nudity.

Speaker 21 (01:08:46):
Yeah, a lot there that it would be upheld. But
I think the best part of that interview actually was
when she said she knows how intimidating it is for
people to receive a.

Speaker 19 (01:08:53):
Letter from the BSA and you burst out laughing rightly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
So at that point she got carried.

Speaker 11 (01:08:58):
Away with how important they think they.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Might be and they're not. Do you know, we sat down,
we're in the in the news break and we would talk.
I asked, I said, when was the last time this
company had one of those decisions in the BSA that
actually counted for something, you know, in other words, somebody
here did something egregious and they had to come back
with a fine or something. And when there was silence
in the room, we couldn't think of one. They suggested
that there was a year ago one of the stations

(01:09:21):
down the stairs did something stupid and that was it.
So I mean, you've got to ask the question whether
the BSA is actually fit for purpose of any use
to anybody. And by and large, we regulate ourselves in
a very professional manner, and there's no need for some
sort of overlord to tell us what to do and
how to act.

Speaker 11 (01:09:35):
Is there.

Speaker 21 (01:09:36):
Well, they certainly can't start policing the Internet. That's not
going to happen. And I don't know that's the thing
about wearing out, but it's like it's going nowhere.

Speaker 22 (01:09:43):
Surely no, is it, Because there's not much to do
in the telecommunications media. They are sort of looking around
into the Internet.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
But I reckon they're playing politics. I think what it
is to him is they're playing politics at the moment.
I think they're making a play for some sort of relevancy.
It's like the Mowbrays with this business of the you know,
the name suppression and the reality of online stuff. You know,
when TikTok is outing somebody allegedly, whether legally or not,
while it's illegal, but whether accurately or not. I mean

(01:10:11):
the horse bolted, there's there's no there's no one Kin
Wellington with a clipboard. Who's going to stopping at that?

Speaker 11 (01:10:16):
Are they?

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:10:18):
That's exactly because it.

Speaker 21 (01:10:19):
Is tiktoks of wash with misinformation, and that's where young
people get a lot of their news. So that is
actually really distinct. I feel so bad that people have
to come out and defend themselves against that.

Speaker 9 (01:10:29):
But but here's this is all premise.

Speaker 22 (01:10:30):
This is all premised on the fact that people actually
believe what they need to do on social media.

Speaker 23 (01:10:35):
Tim, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not convinced
and trust at twenty twenty four, he always have one
of the highest levels of distrust of social media in
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
No, and let me give me the example, Katie, was
it you that was telling me the other day Reba McIntyre,
Riba McIntire came out the other day how Old's river
seventy something, seventy one or two, whatever it is. Riba
McIntire came out the other day to deny the reports
on social media that she was pregnant. Because people believe
she was pregnant, that's.

Speaker 21 (01:11:05):
Because they did an AI video of her holding up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
That's what I'm saying. It's how stupid some people are.
And when you're dealing with that level of stupidity, how
do you fight that?

Speaker 22 (01:11:15):
There's always look, there'll always be examples.

Speaker 11 (01:11:18):
But I do I do?

Speaker 19 (01:11:19):
I have?

Speaker 22 (01:11:20):
I have I guess the confidence that New Zealanders can
because we saw we're pragmatic. People would sniff out byes
just like just like Brendan McCullen did.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
What sort of Macavelli you laugh? Was that at the end? Actually,
I tell you what, I'll give you that.

Speaker 22 (01:11:35):
Actually it was it was a pause because I thought, actually,
that's not a very good line at all.

Speaker 9 (01:11:40):
It wasn't Macabellian.

Speaker 22 (01:11:42):
It was a recognition of one's own lameness.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I'll give you a counter, Brendan McCallum, and that was
John Mayer. John Mayer was in the studio and he
said to me, you know, there's it's just talking about
relationships and people. You see again, you like it, John
Mayer said to me as he left the studio as
I tell you what, Mike, I know we're going to
meet again, and I thought, no, we're not. No, I
can see, I can see, I could see right through it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:03):
See.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
I felt like saying, John, that's a line. You know,
it's a line. You're never coming again, And to this
day he never has.

Speaker 22 (01:12:10):
Don't give me, don't give me your cheap, muscular American conviviality.

Speaker 9 (01:12:14):
I know I'll never see you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
But see, I felt bad about that because when I
watched him in the concert for the raising the money
for the Fires of Los Angeles, he was the highlight
of the show. And you just stood on stage, three guitars,
three songs, and he was phenomenal. And at that particular point,
I felt, yeah, he is telling it. And I felt
at that point I'd like to see John again, and
I hope he was honest, but I don't think he.

Speaker 21 (01:12:36):
Will wellular one of particularly sadness is for you that
you might not get to see John, which wok it
up as another great sadness of life.

Speaker 16 (01:12:43):
Setting it up now, setting it up now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
He can't do it today because he's got the afternoon
off and a bit of a slash ol on Monday.
But Apart from that, he'll get to it as soon
as he can next week. Nice to see you guys,
Tim and Katie. They'll be back next week, will you.
I'm sure they will.

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the older I get a bit emotional. So you think
about life and times and things that you think, oh yeah, no,
that'll be nice to do and okay, just she's hard.
Home cake makers, this is the weirdest story of the week.

(01:14:12):
Announced yesterday, the government government are loosening the rules for
home based cake makers. They want to reduce compliance costs
and paperwork for low risk businesses like home based cake
How many home bake home based cake makers are there?
If you are a home based cake maker, what are

(01:14:32):
the rules and compliance issues that you face and do
you have any indication as to what David Seymour and
Andrew Hoggart will be doing to make your life easier.
This all came out dozens of tips, apparently on the
red Tape tip line. So let me know and we'll
talk about it in the next half hour of the program. Meantime,
stand by were across the Tasman to Australia and the
Mighty murray.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
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the Defender, embraced the impossible news togs dead b micha.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Ah home baker must comply to MPI restaurants standards at present,
including fees, inspections and paperwork. Mike, the quintessential New Zealand
home baking is so hard to offer to anyone because
you must have a food safety approved kitchen with all
the bibs and bobs.

Speaker 11 (01:15:22):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
I haven't heard that phrase for years. Bibs and bobs
just to make about your biscuits. Getting rid of this
regulation's fantastic standby for better baking. It a stall near you. Well,
Seymour can tindly that up. That's encouraging. I'm pleased to
hear that. Twenty three minutes away from.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Mike murray Old is will to tell are you man?
Are you on the are you on the old cell phone?
That's right? Because your your WhatsApp doesn't work? How are
you hey?

Speaker 11 (01:15:47):
Good morning, Mike? Pretty well after a busy week. Thank you,
pray Have you been busy?

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
What have you been doing?

Speaker 11 (01:15:52):
Playing a lot of bad golf? Have you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
What are you on these days?

Speaker 11 (01:15:55):
Twenty two? Still I can't get me lower even birdies.
The other day in the round three birdies, three birdies.
I also had about eight to three parts and three
wipes a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
So what was your best booty? Was a birdie on
the path three? Or a part four?

Speaker 11 (01:16:11):
Or I've burted a part three and two. I've blurted
apart four and two part three and got closest to
the pen of the second.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
See here's the thing. Here's that when I was playing
golf many many years ago, I've played like off a
sex right now. My problem was. My problem was I
couldn't drive, so I got no distance, so I had
to use a three wood, and I couldn't put, and
so to get a birdie was like seriously unusual. So
to get three birdies, you must be you must have
the real potential to be quite a good player.

Speaker 11 (01:16:41):
I had three birdies in the one round for the
first time in my life. In my life, that was
on the Wednesday, in the Wednesday camp Wow. But but
as I say, I had a better white and I
was three patted dreadful.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Jeez, unemployment you still got have you still got job?
Is cleaning? Many other people inn't well.

Speaker 11 (01:17:02):
Four point five percent in September. That's the highest unemployment
rate in four years, a surprise result of all the
economists are expecting pretty much as she you know, steady
as she goes at four point three percent. The stat
that has emerged it's more than a thousand people a
day became unemployed in September. It was modest job growth,

(01:17:22):
but you know that's what that says. There's a lot
of businesses out there that are trying to save money.
They're trying to strip out costs, and you do that
by getting rid of staff. I mean, have a look
at at the A m Z Bank, I mean the
new boss. There is sacking of people. So and also
there are people out there now actively looking for work

(01:17:43):
in a way that perhaps they haven't done in recent times.
What Boos does, of course, is put pressure on the
Reserve Bank that meets again on Melbourne Cup date November
the four and and you know that they are expecting
that interest rates will be you know, the cash rate
will be cut once again. So it could be a
Christmas present.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
So it's a funny old it's funny old economy of yours.
I follow it very closely. So the problem with the
cutting of the rates is, of course it fires up
the housing market, and a housing market was already fired off,
so you're off to the races on that. But at
the same time and the same economy that people can't
pay enough for a house. If they can afford a house,
they can't get a job.

Speaker 11 (01:18:20):
Yeah it's I hadn't thought of it quite that way,
but there you go. That's why you're the King Analyst
of Australian economics. In the same week, you've got consumer
sentiment at a twelve months low. People are a bit
bleak about, you know, where the economy is going. And
you've also had the government a pretty dramatic backflip on

(01:18:40):
its plans to shake up a superannuation sector. So look,
the government's listening and it's still enjoying massive, massive support
compared to the you know, the Liberal Party over here
is just pulling itself to pieces. The speeches this week,
Oh we have to unite, and I mean the instant
response from both wings, the moderates and the Conservatives we're right, Rah,

(01:19:02):
follow us Rah. No one's listening to them, and Susan
Lee has crashed In one month. She's gone down by
fourteen percentage points in terms of people enjoying the way
she's running her place. The party itself was still only
ten points different in terms of the two party or
third vote over year. It's fifty five to forty five

(01:19:23):
Labor over the coalition. But Susan Lee's personal rating has
just came straight down through the cellar. It's terrible for her.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
So how long before someone has a cracketer?

Speaker 11 (01:19:35):
Well, no one's doing numbers apparently, and it would just
be a terrible look. Mike. I mean, you know, you've
got a woman who clearly is trying very very hard.
I mean people could see her. She's out there every day.
Whether they're listening to what she has to say is
another thing, but she's clearly out there every day doing
her best. Are you really going to replace a very busy,
active woman who's got a terrific backstory with some bloke

(01:19:58):
like Angus Taylor. But he's sharpened a blue suit and
it's far too soon for a guy like Andrew Hasty.
He's got a young family he's not going to make
that five hour trip over the Perth, you know, going
to the party room, pick some bums and then hop
on the plane back to Perth again another five hours
and the play. It's too soon for him, maybe ten
years time if he's still around. But he is regarded

(01:20:19):
by his own colleagues, by some of them anyway, as
a goose sitting in front of a big Ford muscle
car saying we're going to build stuff again. Well, hello Andrew,
No mate, no, we don't build those things anymore. This
is silly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah, Arion titmus. I assume people who know her here,
but she's it's hard to it's hard to overstate how
big a deal she isn't swimming in Australia. But I
watched her interview yesterday in retiring, which had correct me
if I'm wrong. It did come out of the blue,
but she seemed at peace with it. She wasn't. It
wasn't one of those times where they sort of break
down and know it's been one of it. She seemed
just sat there and very calmly said, no, that's me done.

(01:20:55):
She's only twenty five.

Speaker 11 (01:20:57):
That's the way she's conducted herself ever. Since she's been
competing at the elite level. And she's been compared this
morning to Ash Barty, who retired, as you may recall,
as the world number one of tennis. And she said,
that's it. I'm done too. I mean, Tipmoss has done
it all. You know, a two Olympic Games. She's got
eight Olympic medals, four of them gold, Paris and Tokyo.
Nine World Championship medals. She won four times as a

(01:21:19):
world champion. Now she had a breakouf to Paris and
she says, you know what, that's it. Ash Barty quit
tennis and went away and had a baby and who knows.
I mean, Tipmoss has made no you know, announcements along
those lines. She's going to get she'll get married and
have above and so on. But she is a weapon
and she's been really in many many ways the heart
and soul of the Australian swimming teams. She's full of beans.

(01:21:41):
She gets out there. She's just dropped this determination. She rapped.
Katie Ladecki is the goat right and Ariy you know
the American swimm of the distance women. Ari and tipmas
cleaned her clock twice. That's really, really good and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Once she Yeseda, she's obviously had some, she said, she's
had some healthy you. She didn't elaborate on what there were,
but as she said, if I'd known Paris was it,
I would have enjoyed my last race more so. I
think there's a tinge of regret. But I wonder if
there's just a new generation. You talk about Bartie, you
talk about timmus because you know swimming, You swim from
the age of four or five, and you're in the

(01:22:18):
poll at four in the morning for god knows how
many hours your hear goes yellow because of the chlorine,
and at twenty five to just say that's me done
must be something powerfully psychological, mustn't it, Because I mean,
you've given you literally your life to this, and I
would have thought you'd want to eke out every last minute.

Speaker 11 (01:22:37):
Oh for sure, there's no doubt about that. I've been
many swimmers over the years. They talk about that, you know,
you hear a white line fever on the roads. They
talk about black line fever. You're swimming up and down
the pool and you got that black line at the bottom,
and that's your life. Yeah, you mentioned health issues for
tipmos My memory serves me correctly. She had some sort
of a varian cancers something along those lines. It was

(01:22:57):
pretty serious, but treatment and she came back from that.
And you know, and she's an all round great guy,
a great field, no doubt about it. She's popular, she's
a hell of an athlete, and she's she's quit at
the top of a game. Well done, hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Yeah, just real quick. This Airbnb cap see, I thought
this was for socialist nations like Spain and stuff. But
how are you going to how are you going to
catch chunks of Sydney Airbnb? I mean, if I own
a house and I want to let it out to people,
I mean, who are you to tell me I can't.

Speaker 11 (01:23:25):
Well, no one's going to say you can't. They're going
to put a cap on an amount of days you
can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Who the hell are you to tell me what I
can do with my house?

Speaker 11 (01:23:34):
No, that's true, it's true. It's going to be a
delicate balancing act. But they've got to do something. This
is it's been, It's already in place, I think up
in fire and bars. If you go to bar and bar,
you've got the Glipsey Beach frump with all these zillionaires
and their man buns sitting around serving fifteen dollars buddy beers.
And you only have to go back two blocks and

(01:23:54):
you've got row after row of empty shops. There's nothing there.
All you've got is the little crust on the pie.
The rest of the pie is dreadful. So they haven't
posed a I think it's sixty days a year you're
allowed to, you know, to put your property on AIRB
and B sixty days. That may be a little bit short,
it may be eighty, but in any event, you're right.

(01:24:16):
They are trying to impose caps on people letting out
their properties. The idea, of course, is to encourage longer
term rentals, but smarty pantss with man buns can make
a hell of a lot more on three weekends. And
they can and you know, three months in actually renting
out their properties. How you fix this?

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
I have no idea, Mike, No, But that's why we're
on the radio, not running places. Mate, go well, but
we enjoy it though, and at least you're quite good
at it. Murray Holds Out of Australia fourteen to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
That be Mike, you couldn't drive, or part you down
to a six. Seriously, six handicappers Mike on average one
to do birdies each run, though berdies. So what you're
doing is you're questioning my with a six handicap. I
can feel how that's coming through what I was to
be fair When I say I couldn't drive, couldn't part,
I was being I was being modest, which is my want,
and so I was actually exceptionally good. But what I'm

(01:25:11):
saying is that I didn't have a tailor made driver,
not the brand. I didn't have a fitted driver. I
had one off the shelf, so being slightly shortish of stature,
or maybe I bought a very long driver, I don't know. Anyway,
I couldn't couldn't swing it. So I ended up with
a three. So I used my three and three was accurate,
but I didn't have the distance. So when you don't
have the distance, say on a par four year, seconds
always longer than it needs to be. Fortunately, because I

(01:25:33):
was on a six handicap, I was quite good. So
I put the ball towards the green, so I was accurate,
but it was always a long part if not a chip,
So instead of going for a birdy, realistically, I was
looking to save par Hence I spent most of my
time saving par and not getting many bodies. And that
was my difficulty. And then the other problem with not
being able to part particularly well when you get you know,

(01:25:55):
when you're half decent, you get with an ite and
I say, twelve feet year ago, that's easy, but I
wasn't like that. Twelve was like could might not? That
was my problem.

Speaker 16 (01:26:03):
Shall we ask the listeners what they find more interesting?
You're boring golf stories, or you're boring dart stories, or
your boring snooker stories, or just city?

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Are you still here? Pen morning, Mike, great to book
end today without standing our Tigo performers McCallum and tonight's
MPC semi final in Dunedin. Sam, you enjoy that tonight
because next week, when you're in the final against Canterbury,
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Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Mitch McConnell's back in the news for all the wrong reasons.
Remove this bit. This week it's been good by Barris
and cooperation and a strain of Manlissy just FROs. People
couldn't work out whether he couldn't remember what he was
saying or he was frozen in the Pistons game. You

(01:28:11):
used to go back to the office meant anyone then anyway,
but not just that. There was this one what am
I taught about?

Speaker 9 (01:28:22):
What running for re election in twenty four?

Speaker 11 (01:28:26):
Oh so.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Yeah, frozen again business?

Speaker 20 (01:28:33):
Did you hear the question, senator?

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
And she was only two inches away from it? Did
you hear the question?

Speaker 11 (01:28:39):
Senator?

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
And then this morning we've got this listening. He was
literally walking along and he fell over.

Speaker 16 (01:29:01):
Which was quiet achievement because he seemed to have a
person on each side of him, sort of almost holding
him by the elbow.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
They failed in their job. They've failed in their job. Miserable,
They picked him up, he turned around, he raised his
hand and that was the sound with some sort of
indication that he might still be alive or all right.

Speaker 16 (01:29:20):
He's got a week into Bernie's and you've got to
do a better job than that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
I thought they'd closed the place down and they would
have sorted that out with him. But hey, the Circuit
of the Americas this weekend one of the obviously the
best of the circuits as far as the f one's concerned,
because Miami's a joke and Vegas as a shambles. So
the Circuit of America's at least is a proper racetrack.
And it's a big track too, with lots of fast corners,
and you have to I think you probably don't know

(01:29:45):
about red Bull red Bull seen back. I don't know
normally bade them McClaren. But anyway, we look for Liam
to have a very good weekend and hopefully we can
talk about it when we rejoin you on Monday. As always,
Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
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