Full Show Podcast: 17 September 2024

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Minister on all of that and other matters, autaned the airport,
the capital raised there after a shedload of money. Ryan
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is in Wetting Flooded Europe and rods in the UK.
Four Fosky Welcome to the day, seven past sixer. Beyond

(00:32):
Meat are about to launch a whole muscle steak alternative
that mimics the taste and texture of philet. A small
warning it won't work. The other products they've produced haven't
worked either. They're an example of the so called modern age,
using new tech and a theory to convince themselves we
are ready for change. People often underestimate how slow we
are to change, or indeed, how we really don't want

(00:53):
to change at all. Beyond Meat is an interesting story
and worth reading. About if you haven't followed it over
the last couple of years. Essentially, they were a form
or another form of these ideas that got plenty of
seed money behind it based on what really is a
whim Farming, they argued, is too intensive, so let's make
your stake in a factory. Let's save the world. Raising
capital doesn't seem hard if you've got the right story.

(01:14):
Whether the story ever makes money doesn't seem to bother people.
Solar is another industry currently falling apart but still raising
a fortune. The electric car industry is a headline act
in the art of getting ahead of the curve. So
this time Beyond Meat are trimming their product list and
selling you on fake meat based on health. Forget the planet,
this stuff's good for you. Of course, what fake anything

(01:34):
does is make up for the fact it's not real
by inventing something that might make it seem real. Soft
drinks that are sugar free, are you post a child?
Look at what makes it sweet? Oh it's not sugar,
so it's sugar free. But the replacement you don't want
to know about it. Fake meat is the same. It's
stuff full of things that aren't good for you. Because
one of the health lessons you learn fairly early on
if you study these things. Is natural as better processed

(01:57):
is bad. Fake tends to be processed if not, in
fact ultra processed. If meat is a worry for you,
moderation is your answer, not fake. I also have a
theory that complicated and troubled times, which is the sort
we currently live in, leads us to want less upheaple
and less change. We want comfort and surety fake meat
isn't that? And beyond meat are about to find that out.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
News of the world in ninety second.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Now the pigs have laid some charges against mister Rath,
but a lot of questions remain.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Is this good part of a conspiracy? Is he a
lone gudness? He's a long gardner President Trump? Is that
much saved because we haven't. But if it's part of
a conspiracy, then this whole thing really takes on a
very arm in this tongue.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Rath seemed exercised about a bunch of stuff, as they
so often are, was vocal on social media.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Why world leaders are not sending military is beyond me.
We're going to have to elect new leaders the next
go around that have a backbone and you have the
afforded to to say, hey, we're not going to tolerate
this type of behavior.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Trump put out a statement of blame.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
Former President Donald Trump told Fox Digital Today, it's rhetoric
from President Biden and Vice President Harris that is leading
him to be shot at.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Both candidates will carry on with his schedules, though once
again the calls go out for something to be done
about the divisiveness of it all.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
It's unconscious of that a president of this United States
be shot at twice publicly, and people know it, and
yet we are still confused in fighting. Let's stop the hate,
Let's stop the violence.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
That's Martin Luther King's niece then, and Brittan Hugh Edwards
as a lucky man. Given as sentencing involved in not
going to jail.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
Almost always, if not always, these cases are committed to
the Crown Court for sentence and a sexual high prevention
order is imposed. This hasn't happened in this case. It
must be different for some other reason, hopefully other than
the fact that he is the celebrity that he is.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Meantime, Sakia, who may or may not be in a
suit paid for by others, has turned up in Italy
to have a word with Georgia about migrants.

Speaker 8 (03:58):
I'm very interested the work that the Prime Minister here
in Italy has been doing, and that's what this is about.
It's about the politics of pragmatism. The British are very
good at pragmatism. It's what we're known for over the years.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Finally, doctors have found a third state, this is between
life and death. You suggest you've being It could redefine
the legal term of death. It was discovered by some
modern biologists in Washington. Third stages when cells of something
that has died continue to function. They say, in some
instances those cells are gaining new capabilities that didn't happen life,
like being able to repair damage tissue. They say it's

(04:33):
an unexplored frontier, but to not expect Frankenstein or any
of the other weird stuff that's news of the world
and frets discoveries. In Nargeti seconds, I'm sort of I'm
trying to work out whether I'm interested in the Ocean
Gate Titan submersible, as far as I can work out
so far on the hearings. The US Coast Guard have
started their hearings and the Titan this is the one
that was run by Stockton Rush went down imploded. That

(04:54):
was the end of that was going down to see
the Titanic. As far as I can work out, Overnight,
so far they found nothing new. They've confirm the whole
operation had troubles, but everyone seemed to know that. And
the problem appears to be that the market isn't regulated.
So in other words, if you've got enough money and
you've got a few guys, we want to take you
down to the bottom of the ocean, there's nothing stopping
you doing it. So where they head with us are
not entirely sure. Twelve past six.

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Speaker 2 (05:24):
It'd be and one of those ironic things. Having told
you about the titan and the fact they were going
down to see the Titanic, Harland and Wolf, which is
a one hundred and sixty three year old company who
built the Titanic, Overnight declared itself and solvent, so they're
going to begin administration. They requested a couple one hundred
million pounds about four hundred million New Zealand dollars a
facility from the US UK Export Finance people it's a

(05:47):
government arm got rejected. That's the end of the m
fifteen parts six. Enough money, I'm Jay, my wealth Andrew
callaher good morning, very good money, Mike. You're going to
be having a word with carry from the airport very
shortly after. A lot of dough, a lot of money.

Speaker 9 (06:02):
Everyone loves.

Speaker 10 (06:03):
Everyone loves talking about the airport, don't they.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
They love talking about it. They don't like the airport itself.

Speaker 10 (06:08):
Everyone's got a story or a view and experience and
they are often in the news, be it for traffic
or queues or airline chos. And yes, it carries on
because you're right. They're raising a sort of money, and
a heck of a lot of it as well. One
point four billion dollars in fact, So that's one of
the largest capital raisings we've seen on the internets in
quite some time. So one point two billion, that is, Mike,

(06:28):
is what we call an institutional placements. That's the big investors,
So that is or has been going on through the
last twenty four hours, and then the balance two hundred
million is going to retail investors. So that will happen
over a more extended period from the nineteenth to September
to October the fourth if you're a shareholder, so you've
got time. If your retail investor out there that owns

(06:48):
airport shares, look, the airport's sort of potential requirement for
future funding has been talked about quite a lot, and
we now know that they are spending six point six
billion on the what they call the Planned Aeronautical Capital
Investment Program. A key ELMS with that is the new
domestic jet terminal. That's part of the terminal integration program.

(07:10):
For those of you that aren't familiar with Auckland Airport,
the domestic and international jet turnals aren't in the same place,
so they're going to bring them to the domestic jet
ternal and the international jet turnal together. So Hawkins, which
is a subsidiary of down at EDI, it's now's yesterday.
They've been awarded an eight hundred million dollar contract to
deliver the build on that new terminal. Now what's happening here, Mike,

(07:32):
is that the airport needs funding and if they want
to retain their current credit rating, and they've got a
credit rating of a MINS from SMP, which is a
very good credit rating, they've made the call to bolster
the amount of equity they have, so this is share capital.
They could have done it with debt where they just
go out and borrow money, but if you do that,
you weaken the balance sheet. So, as expected has been

(07:55):
talked about for some time, they've gone for a share
capital raise or equity raise, and the shares are being
offered at six dollars ninety five for share in the
institutional placement that it's underwritten, so they know they will
be successful. Now on Friday the share place codes it's
seven dollars forty eight, so it is little bit of
a discount. The retail offer is slightly different, but the
share price won't be over six dollars ninety five. And

(08:19):
there's a lot of details around the eligibility which are interested.
You can go to the websites all on there look
lifting of aeronautical char charges that's been a subject of
real debate, and I did note that yes, a couple
of other airports have attracted a new international routes and
they can read into that what you will. And whether
or not I suppose the airport would need to raise
the ECADO was previously also a subject of debate. Well,

(08:41):
now you have your answer. Another sort of topic lurking
in the background. Mark is the council is still a shareholder.
If they do not want to be diluted, they will
need to decide whether or not they want to stump up,
which would it's quite a lot. I think it's over
one hundred million dollars to keep their current position. That'll
be a story. They don't need this money or for
the work straight away. They've gone a little bit earlier

(09:02):
than had been expected. So that's I suppose another point
of interest as well.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Okay, so manufacturing services, what's the read? What do we
look like?

Speaker 11 (09:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (09:11):
Well, high frequency data like this might They were commented
on quite prominently in the recent RBNS monetary policy statement
in the sense that they'd all to negative quite recently
and that sort of support of the decision to reduce
the official cash rate and the PMI and the PSI
Manufacturing Services index. They were specifically noted. So we pay
attention to the data manufacturing released on Friday.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
There was a small improvement.

Speaker 10 (09:34):
There is conceivable might that we've seen past the low
point in the cycle there for manufacturing, but I expect
the recovery will be slow. That was forty five point
eight from forty four point four. Long term averages fifty
two point six, so it's still well below, but the
sub indexes are moving in the right direction. Performance of
Services index was released yesterday. Forty five point five is
the headline number. That's plus point three, so that's a

(09:56):
fairly anemic rise, still firmly in contraction the long average.
There's fifty three point two new orders at forty six
point six that actually dipped slightly from July. Employment did lift,
so there's a little bright spark in there, as at
its highest level since March. The services sector, as for
this starter series, MIKE is in the longest continuous period

(10:18):
of declineal contraction since the GFC, so that includes the
COVID period. We all are also still very much a
global outlier. The global average it was at fifty three
point eight. So I guess if you remain focused on
the sort of what the RBNZ is going to do next,
the twenty five or fifty point move probably the I
guess the pm ips I if you're in the fifty

(10:40):
point camp, they probably support your case. GDP there, I
think that's going to be key Thursday.

Speaker 12 (10:45):
We wait for that.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Cannot wait.

Speaker 10 (10:46):
Numbers please the dal Jones is up one hundred and
eighty one points zero point four four percent to start
the week four one five seventy five. The S and
P five hundred is flat five six two six, and
the Nasdaq is down point six percent at seventeen five
hundred and seventy seven as we speak. Overnight, there was
a small lift in the forty one hundred, just five
points there, the nick A fell point six eight percent,

(11:08):
thirty six thousand, eight hundred and fifty one Shanghai composite
down just under half percent twenty seven oh four, about
a quarter percent lift in the A six two hundred
yesterday to eight one two one, and then ZEX fifty
lost one percent, falling one hundred and twenty eight points
twelve thy seven hundred and four key point sixty one
nine to one against the US point nine one seven

(11:28):
six OZSI point five five six five against the Euro,
point four six eight seven against the pound.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Eighty seven point eight Japanese.

Speaker 10 (11:36):
Yen is what one dollar will get you. Gold still
up there at all time hist two thousand, five hundred
and eighty two US dollars, and Brentkret unfortunately has bounced back,
sitting at year seventy two dollars and eighty four cents,
but it still sort of low ener.

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So France is the usual mess for another seven days
on Catherine Field with the update shortly meantime at twenty
three minutes away from seven Auckland Airports launched at one
point four billion dollar capital raised. The money is for
the ongoing Redube, of course, which has a bill of
about six and a half billion. As Andrew was telling

(15:35):
us a few moments ago, round a third of that's
going for the domestic terminal alone. The CEO at the
airport's Kerry Huda hung aUI of course and is with us.
Good morning, Good morning mate. What was your assessment of
the risk in going to the market for such a
large amount of money?

Speaker 11 (15:51):
What's been interesting Mark at the point we announced the
program back in twenty twenty two. You know, it was
signal that was a key question. The market was asking
is there going to be a need for equity and
at the time we said, well that depends on business performance,
the rate and pace of the capital, et cetera. So
it had been signaled to the market and we were pleased.

(16:11):
We've we've had a very positive response so far. We
looked to wrap up the institutional placement this morning and
then we'll move on to the retail office.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
So no question is going to be filled and filled
successfully and easily.

Speaker 11 (16:24):
Sorry could you repeat them money?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Would it be filled easily?

Speaker 11 (16:28):
Well, certainly through the positivity we had Yes, yesterday, we
think it. We think it will be. We're going to
wrap that up this morning. But yeah, very very positive
soundings came back.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
So if you've got a story to tell, there is
plenty of money out in the New Zealand economy to
be collected up well, in the.

Speaker 11 (16:44):
New Zealand economy as well as Australia. You know, there
is absolutely investment money out there mic and they are
looking for opportunities or the right opportunities for them.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Tell us about the timing and the connection with the
economics story in this country currently and whether that had
any connection at all.

Speaker 11 (17:05):
Well, I think, as I said, we'd signaled the need
for it. I think you have an environment where we
do know that we've got a more muted economy of
Actually our figures last month, even just from a traffic perspective,
you had domestic passengers five percent down, you had international
passengers three percent out. So we've kind of got the
split split market at the moment of what we're seeing.

(17:27):
But investors are looking to say, well, can look through that.
They're generally not looking at the next four quarters for
investment like an infrastructure company, like an airport. They are
looking long run over the coming years.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Given you're an international monopoly of sorts, does that help you.

Speaker 11 (17:46):
Well, generally for investors when they're looking at infrastructure related stocks,
you know, and whether in the Australian market you've got
trans urban and other airports they are looking for. I
guess the factor is to say, is there investment being made,
Is there atent growth pathway here that they can see
that makes sense that that investment that they're making that
they expect to see a return in medium to long term.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, the discount you went to the market with who
comes up with that. How literally does that work?

Speaker 11 (18:16):
Great question? I mean there's a lot of time and
effort that's spent in obviously going through the due diligence
process as well as understanding the market expectation comparable raises.
So yes, many an evening has been spent on that, mate.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
And what literally happens? You go, let's go seven sixty five. No,
I reckon seven fifty two. And then is it literally
that simple or not?

Speaker 16 (18:38):
No?

Speaker 11 (18:39):
You generally look as f as the discounts from an
next dividend kind of adjusted. You've got the last close,
so the day before for example, or in this case
it would have been last Friday, the thirteenth of September.
You also look at things like a five day view
Apple volume weighted average. So there's a number of things.
It's a well worn path in terms of looking at
what that performance has been. And certainly we've gone to

(19:01):
the market at the discount that we did. You know,
it hasn't been sub seven dollars since back during early
COVID time.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
The Hawkins deal, this is my ongoing and fascination with
infrastructure in this country. How tight's the Hawkins deal or
the Hawkins contract? At eight hundred million dollars. Is it
eight hundred full stop or it's eight hundred and we'll
see where we end up.

Speaker 11 (19:22):
So the contract is structured as a construction management agreement,
so it's you know, in the New Zealand market you
don't tend to get sixed price contracts per se. That
means we've engaged them to manage the construction process, methodology,
sequencing for curement. We have a role where there is
shared risk in that. My particular, when you look at

(19:42):
a twenty four to seven operating environment like ours, that
our contract is not going to have influence on some
of the decisions. They're not going to take all that
risk on. But we've got milestones and various things in
place to ensure that we can manage and mitigate those
risks along the way.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, I've got you the Hamilton thing yesterday with Jetstar
along with Dunedin. Is that part of you charging too
much any airlines are now going to tell you what
will go elsewhere?

Speaker 11 (20:10):
It's an interesting one. I mean, I think there's been
a kind of some supposition on that. I think there's
two things. One that if I'm on us from an
envetting perspective. Additional international capacity and connectivity between New Zealand
Australia is a really good thing. I think last time
you and I spoke, we talked about tourism sitting in
about eighty percent recovery. Australia is one of the slowest
markets to recover, so if we can stimulate that, that's

(20:32):
a great thing. In terms of the pricing, frankly, I
don't buy that we actually are cheaper than comparable airports
in New Zealand at the moment. And if you look
at Jetstar, they've grown twenty nine percent domestically out of
Oakland in the last year and actually thirty three percent internationally.
So I guess the question you might ask is to say,
is are we seeing airlines actually identifying opportunities for them

(20:54):
to grow in a market that's got relatively muted competition.
Right now, you've got two airlines they have ninety percent
of the market across the tabment.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Always good to have you on the program, Appreciate it
very much. Kerryhuda Hangganui, who's the CEO at Auckland Airport,
seventeen minutes away from seven Just quickly, sin Lay speaking
of raising money a different story, of course, but they've
had a world of pain and we've covered a lot
on this program. They finalized their four hundred and fifty million.
It's a credit facility and it's all sorts of things
with all sorts of different banks, and there's a lot

(21:21):
of banks as the A and Z Bank of China,
Bank of Communications, China Construction Bank, HSBC Industrial and Commercial
Bank of China, Kiwibank and Rabobank. But they've got them
so they're still alive, which is good. Seventeen to two.

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Speaker 2 (22:53):
Morning to you, mister Barney. He's having the time of
his life or that's a ten one. He wants to
shoot himself and run back to the countryside.

Speaker 18 (23:03):
I think at the moment, you know he's putting a
brave face on it.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Mike.

Speaker 18 (23:07):
You know, he took over this job as Prime Minister,
promising to bring in, you know, a wide range of experts,
wide range of politicians, to give the country a new government.
We still don't have one. What's actually been happening is
that every time he sort of thinks he's getting somewhere,

(23:28):
the far right come along and say, wow, we don't
quite like that. We're not quite sure. So he's lost
a lot of time in that, and of course that
you know, the question is can he even survive Mike.
He says he may well have a government by the
end of this week, possibly early next week. But of
course we've already been hearing from the left wing parties

(23:49):
in Parliament that they're going to vote against it, and
they're going to vote against Macaron try and bring on
a center motion against him. And of course we have
the figure of Marine Le Penn. You know, she doesn't
have that many MPs in this parliament, only one hundred
and forty two, which, yes, it's more than she had before,
but it's quite small compared to the other parties. She

(24:09):
is now saying that she will support Michel Bagnier, while
ever it is in her interest. So she's essentially, even
though she came out, you know, third and did not
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they met her. So she's sitting there mic wanting to
look as though she's the great statesman, the great person,
holding France in her hand, having the future of France

(24:32):
in her hand. Meanwhile the rest of the population saying, well, hey,
you know most of the Parliament has gone come from
the left. What's going on here? So it's an absolute mess.
The Prime Minister was meant to hand over to the
officials the budget for next year, that was meant to
happen on Monday, that's supposed to start being debated on
the first of October, and Parliament and Mike it's just

(24:55):
a mess. They're looking at what GDP dared her five
point six percent. The people who don't like that are
the EU and the ratings Agency. They've got to find
something like sixteen billion euros and savings. So a mess,
like a mess.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Speaking of the EU, this guy Britain who's quit. Is
is Vandalyon a problem or is it just Britain v
Vandalion that's the problem.

Speaker 18 (25:23):
It's a bit of both. Actually, I mean there was
no personal chemistry at all between a sort of on Delon,
who's the President of the Commission that's the executive arm
of the EU, and Terry Breton, who came from France.

Speaker 15 (25:37):
He had a.

Speaker 18 (25:38):
Pretty heavy portfolio, Mike, he had industrial policy, he had strategical, autonomic,
he had a really heavy portfolio. He did not get
on with Vandalian she did not get on with him.
But France supported him because France was a founding member
of the EU and it's Europe's second largest economy. But
then apparently it's all sort of.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Broke out into the open.

Speaker 18 (25:59):
First thing Monday morn him when Terry Britton just threw
in the towels that he wasn't going to work with
Roonderline anymore. There new parliament, there's new executive that spends
me up and running. Is now sort of scrambling around
looking for commissioners. I need twenty six of them and
they've all got to be vetoed by the Parliament. So
that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
That's a shambles as well. Hey, by the way, just
a quick word, I've got every I've got everyone by
you underwater in Europe it is it subsiding. Is it
sorted yet or not?

Speaker 9 (26:27):
No, it's not sorted.

Speaker 18 (26:28):
If you're in eastern Europe, particularly in Poland Czech Republic,
it is not going away. And towns, particularly in Poland
have already been asked to move. So yeah, it's your
autumn has come pretty early for parts of Europe.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Okay, dinner at the restaurant of your choice, paid for
by either you or me. Take the bet. Now do
you have a government by next week?

Speaker 18 (26:51):
I'm not going to bet on that.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
No, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 18 (26:57):
With someone else.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Now we go gatherin field in France. It's nine away
from seven on.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
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Speaker 2 (27:05):
eNB bringa text, Mike, shout out to Wayne Brown Ork
the mayors of the eight hundred million or seven percent
of the council airport's stake at eight dollars eleven or
four percent premium to the close a year ago, think
interest cost savings. Today we have the airport raising one
point four billion at six ninety five or seven percent discount.
They're punchy and of course, if Wayne had had his way,
he would have sold the lot. Now speaking of money,

(27:27):
turns out that the full flourish of Treasury's view of
the economy is being released this morning on the great
tax package and the great debate of the National Party.
Did the tax cuts fuel inflation? That was the big debate.
Did the tax cuts fuel inflation? Answer? No, So several

(27:48):
different scenarios that Treasury ran. The government cuts spending without
cutting taxes. Are the government cut spending and cut taxes
at the same time. The government funded tax cuts with debt.
The government funded the tax cuts through debt and additional
tex is the verdict. The tax package would not have
made much of an impact on inflation either way. The
package was found to have a net negative contribution to inflation.

(28:12):
So there five minutes away from seven all.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
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Speaker 2 (28:22):
Apple News first start showing how many people are lining
up to buy this new iPhone sixteen. During the first weekend,
there were thirty seven million pre orders for the various
sixteen series phones. That's a drop of twelve point seven
percent year on year compared with the iPhone fifteen S
first weekend of sales is that the economy could be
theory as it's because though the big new thing that
was coming with the phone, this is this AI thing,

(28:44):
the Apple Intelligence, that's not actually on the phone yet,
so they launched the phone without the bit that they
said that's on the phone. So the standard version and
the Plus version they're up in numbers of units sold,
So that might be an economic thing. People are buying cheaper,
but they got minimal excuse me, impact on overall sales.
Most people apparently go for the Prayer with the Pro
Max compared to the iPhone fifteen Pro and Pro Max

(29:07):
sales are down sixteen and twenty seven percent, respectively. So
could be economic, could be the lack of a I
news for you in a couple of moments, Sonny Kosher
last time, he's on the business of the Crime Prevention Group, right,
that was the big group that they were going to meet.
Last time we had, Sonny on seven weeks after the
committee had been formed. They hadn't actually even met. So

(29:27):
I understand they have met. They've had their inaugural meeting,
and of course we get the information yesterday that we've
got some troubles around some of the government's targets on crime.
We also get the announcement that the sentencing is going
to Parliament this week. They're going to toughen up on
the old sentencing. We will talk to Christoph Luxin about
that after seven three. But Sonny Coacher is with us
in the next half hour and people we like who

(29:48):
do interesting things overseas from that particular series which I
literally just made up. Ryan Fox is back for a
catch up after.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
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Speaker 1 (29:59):
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Speaker 2 (30:04):
Head being seven past seven, So got one of the
government's quarterly reports on their targets they set for themselves yesterday.
One of the areas of concern appears to be this
violent crime. So the target is a reduction by twenty
thirty or twenty thousand incidents to twenty thousand fewer incidents.
The latest number hasn't in faked up by thirty thousand.
Crime Prevention Group President Sunny courtials were a sunny morning.

Speaker 19 (30:22):
To you, very good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
You finally met. Did you meet and solve the problem?

Speaker 19 (30:28):
We have introductory meeting and I won't steal a Minister's thunder,
so he would be making an announcement this week with
the more details. But I can tell you why we
are going to work on some of the very important
pieces on the reforms, including the legislative reforms you know
that might include you know, these security guards empowerment and

(30:50):
how do you using those face expedition technology and some
crimate reforms which need to be done. So you would
be hearing quite a lot more from us.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Looking forward to it. Should we be worried about this?
I mean, thirty thousand, that's obviously a problem, but when
you're looking to cut it by twenty thousand, and it's
by twenty thirty and we're sitting here in twenty twenty four,
it's hardly an emergency right here, right now.

Speaker 9 (31:12):
Is it, Mike?

Speaker 19 (31:14):
There's no question New Zealand has become more violent. This
is survey Crime and Victims Survey targets July twenty twenty
two to July twenty four, which is the last two years.
So there's no surprises here what we have witnessed in
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, the level of

(31:35):
crime that have increased, and also you know, stopping crime
is not difficult, Mike, provided you want to do it.
The messes that we are getting the police and the
ministers they want to do it. While it may take
time to change, but it need to be dealt with
unapologetically and urgently. You know what we have seen recently,

(31:57):
for example in operand CBD my personal experience, I own
a business over there, so increased patrolling has shown a
promising results in op on CBD, exactivity is getting cleaned up.
You know we are going to see more reduction. So
change has come. It's coming a vanlates are down, but
you know there'll be the change in police philosophy if

(32:20):
we have the changes in the legislative, you know, the
reforms that would make a whole lot of difference. And
that's what is required because the accountability, the consequences that
have been missing from years and that's what needed urgently.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Seems to be on the same page. Where everyone seems
to be on the same page because they're heading to
Parliament this week. As I mentioned, Sonny, good to catch
up with you appreciate it, Sunny Coscha. The Crime Prevention
Group of President nine minutes past seven past games. We
have another look this morning at the side of our
kid's health. This is the Qure Kids Annual Child Healthcare
in New Zealand report. Hospitalizations are up, inequities are growing.
The CEO is Francis Suitor, who is with US France

(32:57):
this morning to you.

Speaker 9 (32:59):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Let me ask you, Janna, let me ask you the
controversial question. Take Maria and Pacific Islanders out of it.
What's the state of New Zealand kid's health.

Speaker 15 (33:08):
It's still challenging. We still have sixty thousand kids a
year being admitted to hospital for completely preventable illnesses. Yes,
Mariam Pacific contribute a lot to that number, but we're
talking about children who are facing inequity. The material of race.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Okay, So when I look at the it's the usual stuff, respiratory, rheumatic, heart,
all of that. It's this crappy damp housing people on
benefits in certain socioeconomic areas that are the issue. Is
that fair or not?

Speaker 15 (33:43):
No, that is fair, you know. And what we need
is national actions to reduce child poverty with deliverable you know,
delivering equitible access to all of those things that you mentioned,
healthy and nutrition and appropriate housing. These are the most
important ways to positively impact the health and reduce the
risk factors across these five areas of health.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Here's my concern, I love them or not. The labor
government of the last three probably six years, through an
astonishing amount of money at people in trouble. It didn't help, clearly,
did it, if your reports accurate.

Speaker 15 (34:17):
Look, the thing is what we need is a national,
a New Zealand approach to these things. And it means
it doesn't matter what government's inn We've got to look
to the future of our pamriiki and say what do
they need? Irrespective award, what they.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Needed was, according to the last government, more money, and
so they got lots more money and it didn't buy
our way out of it. I just can't see. But
all I mean, I'm not attacking you France. It's all
I'm saying is this problem is not new. We've had different,
different poll approaches to it. It doesn't seem to be
getting any better. And all we can come up with
now is, oh, we need a sort of a holistic
comboy our whole hands and we might fix the problem

(34:55):
kind of solution.

Speaker 15 (34:57):
Look, I think what we really need is a targeted
investment into the health of children which will generate long
term population health benefits. So you know, one of the
one of the things that I love about this report
is that you know, it answers some of the big
research questions, and if the questions aren't answered, then then
the research will help us develop an evidence based approach

(35:21):
to solving these problems for children, I mean YO Kids.

Speaker 12 (35:24):
Has tapped into some.

Speaker 15 (35:25):
Incredible researchers, you know, the brains trusts of pediatric care,
and it's a collaboration with that group of people who
understand and who know where the health problems lie. But
also taking it taking a leaf out of lessons from
the past. We saw how the slow our COVID immunization

(35:47):
program was. You know, it took a long time for
some of those most at risk communities to pick it up.
And it wasn't till we took a culturally appropriate community
based program of immunization that we really moved the dialogue, getting.

Speaker 12 (36:00):
Everybody and we know it's for COVID.

Speaker 15 (36:02):
That's the approach that we need to take with childhood
immunization generally, and just you know, achieving those targets, reducing
the barriers like increasing pharmacy providers, those community based solution.
Now we learned a lot from that co exact thing
roll out, So you know, so let's you know, let's

(36:23):
let if we want to make a real change, even
next winter, we need to be providing this immunization to
all children age five and under.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
All right, well, I look forward to the time when
you write a report, Francis, and you can come on
and tell us that things are improving. Appreciate your times
always France as suitor cure kids. It is thirteen minutes
past seven, Mike. Developing trend when the opposition says the
government policy will be bad, it is in fact good.
A g tax cuts not impacting inflation, cell phone banded
schools is working, starting to make any opposition claim less credible.
I'm glad you raised that because it brings us to

(36:53):
the poll yesterday, the Curier pole, the Taxpayers Union career pole,
which I've got a complete copy of and all come
back to the finer detail in just a moment. But
if you missed the headline news the government are traveling well,
which is my overarching theory I've been thinking about for
the last couple of days. It started over the weekend
when Luxon and Mitchell made that announcement on crime in
downtown Auckland. I thought, those are the tangibles you're starting

(37:15):
to see now. Then we interviewed Eerica Stanford yesterday and
we saw the Mount Albert Grammar, cultural change in schools,
tangible change to what's going on in this country. And
that's a government that gets re elected. So the poll
yesterday National on thirty nine percent, they're up a bit.
New Zealand first six point eight, they're down a smedge.
It's all within the margin and where it makes no difference.
The upshot is the government are doing well. They're sitting

(37:36):
on sixty seven seats. Hepkins is in trouble and I'm
officially starting the conversation this morning that he needs to
be rolled now. The difficulty because his negativity rating is shocking.
The net favorability rating. The guy's tanking like a tanking thing.
His net favorability as dropped sixteen points. He's Christopher no mates,

(37:58):
He's at minus ten. Luson's at plus seven. Remember when
we had the conversation that Luxon wasn't popular no and
got Luckson. Luxon was a nerd. Luxon was a weirdo.
Luxon came from the airlines, Luxon was a corporate luxon
on too many houses. And I said, you wait till
he gets to be Prime minister and you'll change your view.
And sure enough we are meantime old chipster who all

(38:20):
can all he can do is winge about everything, and
he's wrong on most of it. We've suddenly worked him out.
So the question for the Labor Party going forward, and
it's an important one, is this a guy who can
get his party back into government? Answer? No, So then
the question is who do you replace him with? And
there's your real trouble. Because that party is so devoid
of any real obvious talent, he wins by default, name

(38:44):
me a single Labor MP. And we've done this exercise
on this program when we get people on after eighte
you know, with Mark and co. Over the years, we
go through and look at the list, their entire list
of MPs, and we go, who's normal? And my god,
that's a hard that goes on. That meeting goes on
too long because it's one of those meetings we go

(39:04):
who's normal and they go what about eh? And I
go really and they.

Speaker 20 (39:09):
Eventually everybody just looks as their watch and goes.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Prisisely and so we ended up with Ginny Anderson. Now
I love Ginny, A lot of you don't, but she
was the most normal labor MP we could find. Once
Tewet left, that's it. There's no one else there who's
remotely normal to replace Case Sipkins. But when you got
that level of favorability, he's toast sixteen past.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
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Speaker 2 (39:37):
I'll get back to that poll because I've got the
the in depth stuff later on. By the way, trade
me property and news. This morning in August, we're still
not I mean asking prices. I'm a bit suspect on
this what you ask for your property. I mean, obviously
you got an idea, you don't just make it up.
But you know the fact that they reported as data
or not a one hundred percent convinced on anyway. In
AUGUSTA in Auckland, it was down to nine hundred and

(39:58):
eighty six thousand, seven hundred fifty do as the significant
being it's one point three percent down on July and
the first time is it's September twenty twenty that it's
less than a million dollars and Auckland. Actually, if you
look around the rest of the country doesn't look that
expensive anymore. Nationally, the average asking price is down zero
point eight percent to two point three two point three
percent down on a year ago, down at eight hundred
and eighteen thousand dollars. So that's the national average eight

(40:19):
eighteen versus Auckland at nine eighty. You see how they're converging.
Fifteen regions, only five have seen year on year increases.
They are Marlborough, West Coast, are Tigo, Southland and Gisbon's.
You're only North Island area that's seen any positive movement.
Christoph Luxen on all of this, Ryan Fox still to
come after eight o'clock at seven twenty.

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get enough coverage either. Most telling part of the release
of the draft of our Critical Minerals List, which came
out yesterday afternoon, is that we have never as a

(41:54):
country developed a comprehensive picture of our mineral needs and weakness.
As obvious question there why not. Part of a strong
resilient economy is when you do things yourself, see as
a small country. We can't do everything. We don't have
sort of domestic heft. We don't have a natural domestic
market for a lot of large scale operations. Now, in
some cases where we do do things at scale, we
sell it off. Sure, of course we're quite good at

(42:15):
some of it. Farming would be an example, But it's
why we don't make cars because when we did it
didn't work financially. We are better bringing them in. But
one of the great economic quandaries we have is a
thing called a current account deficit. We buy more stuff
from the world than we sell to it. This is
not good. We could mine more than we do. The
fact that there are thirty five minerals on the list,

(42:38):
and by the way, that list doesn't include cold or gold,
means we have a lot of minerals. Are we taking
full advantage? Obviously not? Could we? Why not? Well, because
a lot of people get angsty about mining, But as
the miners will tell you, it's an increasingly sophisticated industry
that cleans up after itself in a completely different way
from the olden days. And here is the simple truth.
The world needs minerals. We need minerals the same way

(43:00):
we need power to turn the lights on in our
current predicament around generation and supplies all the evidence you
need to know we should be prioritizing jobs and cost
of living over the ideology of renewables and conservation land.
And those opposed are often opposed no matter what. They
aren't for turning a fern and a snail beats a
job in power, and that's just the way they are.
They are allowed to be obsessed, but they shouldn't dictate

(43:22):
economic travel. Minerals are an income stream, a job stream,
and a sensible, viable answer to a lot of economic problems.
Husky Karen macinnulty Mike more normal than Ginny a next
labour leader. Well, he says in a way that I
believe him. He doesn't want it, he's not interested. He
could be all shy and coy like Jess in her
and going with no idea. So I suppose that's a possibility,

(43:45):
but he seems genuinely disinterested. Like Barbara Edmonds goes, I've
got eight kids, it's never going to happen, you sort of,
You know, when people say that, you believe them. Carmel Sepalony, Mike, Really,
that's mainstream you're calling Carmel Sepaloney like. Think Mike Moore, right,
think Mike Moore, Think David Longie, think Norm Kirk, think

(44:05):
middle of the road, working class New Zealand. Is Carmel
Sepaloni any of those things? No, she isn't it. But
they've got any sort of future. It's never going to happen.
Can I just congratulate please, David Buckingham. David has gone
straight to the Privacy Commissioner. David is a Queenstown employment
consultant and he's laid an official complaint about the IRD

(44:26):
and their business of taking all of our information and
not telling us and flicking it off to the social
media companies. He claims the hashing process. So what happens
is the IRD will tell you, Dar Warry, it's all
hashed up and so the social media companies can't tell
whose information is what that, he claims David, and I
don't know enough about this because I'm not a hashing

(44:47):
expert is not accepted overseas as adequate to anomalize personal data,
which is the first time I'd heard that. So that's
a genuine concern they've got a He also, David points
out the social media platform's got a reputation for having
a disregard for the jurisdictions of sovereign nations like New Zealand.
Quite right, and he's urged the Commissioner to investigate if
it was legal and consistent with people's right to privacy.

(45:10):
I can tell you right here, right now, as a
they may afflict my information off. I'm not happy. I
don't like it. They shouldn't have done it. They've overreached
and we need to do something about it. So David,
you so far, and it's early in the week. You
are my hero of the week.

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Speaker 2 (45:35):
We'll get the cash up our parade of clock this
morning being time of twenty three minutes away from ok
the Prime ministers with us for this Tuesday morning. Very
good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (45:42):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 14 (45:43):
How I a you today?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Very well? Indeed, I've got a scandal for you. Are
you ready for a scandal?

Speaker 9 (45:49):
Help me with it.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I'll hit you with it in just a moment. I
need to ask you first about about yesterday's You're sentencing
and all that sort of stuff. Lead's story in the
Herald this morning is about the pushback on gang patches.
Does it amaze you that we can't stop whining about
the problem and the damage gangs do, and the moment
a government does something about it, we whind some more
about their civil rights. What the hell is going on?

Speaker 12 (46:10):
Yeah, we don't care. It's actually, you know, we make
no apologize for being tough on game members. The stats
that I always think about is, you know, game members
are one quarter of one percent of the population. As
I tried to say yesterday, you know that almost a
fifth of all serious violent crime homicides, I think they're
twenty four percent. Almost a Quordable Arms Act defenses meaning
illegal guns and kidnapping an induction. So you know, if

(46:32):
you want to be serious about having a twenty thousand
people a fewer victims of violent crime, then you've got
to start there. And that's exactly what we're doing. So yep,
people are giving us some grief about it, saying a
lot we pass a bill through this slick committee, which
we did. Police actually identifies an additional tool that would
help them, which was around these wearing patches inside cars
and or houses and Frankly, it's consequences for a small

(46:54):
group of people. But if that also enables police to
have separate legal activity, that's a bonus. And frankly, we
want an asymmetric and we want to be harassing gangs
and that's what we're going to do.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Do you worry one of the suggestions is you will
encourage your words, not mine the cumulative concurren thing with judges.
Do you worry about the judiciary pushing back.

Speaker 12 (47:15):
Well, again, that's why in Parliament we're going to say
that those rules. You know, that's what we're trying to
do with these same thing laws that we want to
pass as a result, and Parliament is sovereign in New
Zealand and that's why we're we're not leaving it to
judges just to set their own discounts for a number
of reasons. For why, we've seen some pretty horrific cases
where offenders are god off for quite serious crimes with

(47:36):
what I think the public would say and victims would say,
don't feel fear, And there's been some very hectic discounts
that doesn't reflect the harm cause. So you know, that's
why we're capping what judges can do at forty percent.
We're we're getting rid of repeated discounts for young people
and also remort You can show remorse ones, but you
don't get to go it multiple times. And frankly, if
you're going to be hurting people who are sole charged workers,

(47:58):
are on a home own business, you know where they
live above the shot, all that that you aggravating factors
that the judge has taken consideration. But we want to
encourage use of chamber. They're not concurrence sentencing and to
the people, actually that all stacks up, and then the
other bit might be I think is important in that
sentencing all pieces that you get a lot of people
who only pled not guilty at the very end of

(48:18):
the court process and you've read traumal size the victim,
but importantly way through this huge amount of court time
and floid the process up. So we're going to say,
right the sliding scale for early guilty please, you know,
so you can get up to a twenty five percent
discount within that forty percent cap, but you know, if
you want to do later on, it's going to be
five percent. So all of that is sort of designed
to say, look, yeah, we've got to go tough on

(48:39):
the gangs because our big driver of violent crime year,
we've got to sort out the serious own offend. Then
we've got to approvenal police officers. We've got more corrections
officers and prison beds coming, and we've also got changes
to our thingcu laws as well.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeh what I'm getting around. I'll give you another example
in the miment. I've been surprised and surprised at the
number of people in this country who seem to be
apologists for all that's wrong with it. And the White
Tangi Tribunal is a very good example. And then I
come to the public service, the Ministry of Justice and
the League on the Treaty Principles Bill. You haven't gotten
to the bottom of it apparently as to who did it.

(49:12):
How do you function as a government if you're getting
pushed back from the judiciary, pushback from the White Tangi Tribunal,
and a public service that isn't adhering to what you're
wanting to do.

Speaker 12 (49:23):
Well, you have to be you have a responsibility in
government and I don't think you know sometimes cabinets and
ministers have been chrystal clear at the center about what
they are here to do what there are three things
in their portfolios are as fixated and focused on to deliver.
And as a result, I think the public service has
often had sort of not enough clarity. So that happened
with the last lot a lot, and you know there

(49:44):
is lessons of the courts. So that's why you've seen
us move on things like make legislation, for example, on
customary rights, because we actually want that to be reflective
of what Parliament intended that legislation to be back in
two thousand and eleven. What's got the balance right? Likewise,
you're seeing us here it was discounting. We're not leaving
it to judge just to just you know, people sixty
sixty five percent discounts. And in fact, if people want

(50:06):
to contribute in the sectimitty process for this legislation on sentencing,
you know, if they want to harden it up, will
harden it up. So I think, you know, we just
have to be clear Parliament since the rules we need
to Yes, we respect the judiciary, we need to respect
the public service obviously need here as well, but we
have to have clarity at the core, at the center
about what we're here to do, and we're here to

(50:28):
improve the joint and get it sorted and turned around.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
So yeah, on the reply utribunal, marine and coastal areas
are characterized by a blind adherence to pre existing political
commitments at the expense of fun out blah blah blah.
Are you telling them they're wasting their time?

Speaker 12 (50:44):
Well, we'd be respectful, But the bottom line is we
are returning that legislation to what was intended in twenty eleven.
That was the legislation that recognized the Maori customary title
but also got the balance right with legitimate interests of
all News Islanders on the coastline. And so I appreciate
the way taking a tribunal has a view about that,
but we also have a view, which is that Parliament

(51:05):
is sovereign and Parliament wrote on more than twenty eleven
the standard and the threshold had been loved and as
a result, the intention of what was happening wasn't consistently
what we had in the end. So that's why we're
moving it back. And I think, you know, that's just
having the clarity to do that, you know, And again
on the gang legislation, it's the same thing. It's like
either you are seriously talking about tackling a fifth or

(51:25):
a quarter of your violent crime problems with one quarter
of one percent of the population, or you're not and
you keep talking about it or you do something about it.
So I wanted us to do different things to get
different outcomes. And that's the conversation. And when I push
my ministers and the CEOs of the agencies is you know,
when we have a problem on mathematics, for example, it
turns out you can actually bring in the minister, bring

(51:47):
in the CEO, bringing the executive team of the Ministry
of Education, and within a week determine that you are
going to introduce a Singapore Australian style maths treatment the
beginning of next year because you choose to do it.
Otherwise you sit there saying, we're just talking about four
out of five our kids not being with anything at
high school on mathematics. So I think my approach in
government was, I know we're doing it differently, and I
know that's a change from what the public service has seen.

(52:08):
It may even be a change from what the judiciary
or the way Tony Tribune off for that matter, has
seen as well. But we are clear about what we
are here. To do. And I've been transilling that from
a position we're transmitting it in government, which has rebuild economy.
You're saw there a lot of better health and education.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
So then you put out the edict on Friday, the
cabinet edict around race. So you want a color blind
public service. And yet here's my standal this morning. This
is aut AUT get their money or the bulk of
their money from the state. Correct. Yes, right, So when
you want to travel as a staff member of the
aut you've got to fill out a form, and they've
taken too various considerations, prestige of the conference you're going to,

(52:44):
how far it is, what the cost is, risk of travel,
blah blah blah. Then we come to the final box,
which is what they call equity consideration. So if you're PACIFICA,
you get an extra twenty percent multiplier, if you mar
you get a thirty percent multiplier. How's that color bline?

Speaker 12 (53:00):
Well, that doesn't sound consistent with what we're talking about,
which is that we deliver public services like education, like
healthcare on the passive need, not ethnicity. So that's the
first I've heard of it. I don't know why that
would be there.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Well, it's near because they're wont and they're wasting everybody's time.
This this is my overarching problem. It's you, to my mind,
you can't be clearer in what you're trying to do.
You don't have to agree with it, but you couldn't
be clearer in what you're trying to do. These people
are literally taking the pass. Why well, well, it's.

Speaker 12 (53:31):
A question you have to say, U T But I
mean I think and that's something will follow up on.
But the point is, you know, as I said, all
I can do is make it crystal clear. We had
a long standing position and opposition. We've made sure that.
You know, when you've seen issues like Hawk's Bay last week,
which you raised within hours, you know Shane Ready had
it resolved. And this policy piece in this Cabinet circular,
which was just as formalizing all of that to say

(53:52):
that we expect all public services on the basis of need,
not ethnicity. And frankly, you know often people say to
me or what about Maori inequality and equitting and you go, yep,
Mary will get the support they need based on the
level of needs as well, and I'll get captured through
that leads. So yes, I appreciate. There's been a different
management over the last six years and it's a change
and we're under new management. But I think the message

(54:15):
will start getting through.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Do you And I know you don't comment on poles,
but the poll aren't yesterday, and I've gone through it
in great detail. I look at all the issues. For example,
you lead labor in every single issue now bar poverty,
and they only lead you in that by one point.
Could that indicate perhaps that you might be sending a
message that New Zealand appreciates. But all the wonks in

(54:37):
the public service and the judiciary and the White Tangi
Tribunal and all the bloody universities around the country don't get.

Speaker 12 (54:44):
Yeah. Well, I think people appreciate we inherit a hell
of them is. I think they see that we are
genuinely focused and we are working hard, and we're trying
to fix the things that need to be fixed and
realize the opportunities that are sitting there. So I think, yeah,
I think they can look at our team and go
okay from US has put good ministers and good portfolio.
You've got them really focused, they're accountable, they're driving really hard,

(55:05):
and I think people you know, they want us to try, right,
they want a government to show up and actually try
and actually do things differently. And I appreciate, you know,
I get pushed back on a lot of things that
people can disagree with me, but I do not care.
We are here to do the mission, which is to
actually turn the country around. And the only regret MICS
I say to my team from day one, is the
only regret we'll ever have when this comes to any end,

(55:26):
one way or another, is that it didn't went bold enough.
We can go fast enough. So I know we're putting
pressure in the system. I know we're working hard at it.
But whether I look at law and order, whether I
look at what we're doing on the economy, our long
term growth prospects in the economy, what we're doing on education,
what we're trying to do on healthcare and fixed broken systems. Housing, Yeah,
we've got a great story on emergency housing. Right, We've

(55:46):
moved over eleven hundred kids out of motels into social
transitional private rental markets.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Rights though it's true.

Speaker 12 (55:56):
I mean, like, yeah, I at the bottom Linze, Yeah,
I can tell you we're eighty percent of them. I've
gone and the good news. They're in a better place
than where they were now. That didn't That just required
us to organize differently, to do different management and to
have clear expectations. Are clear targets one of the nine targets.
But the conversations about well between some of Poltarka and
myself and Chris specially as well. Guys, Now we can

(56:16):
keep talking about this thing will just get worse and
worse like it has over the last decade, or otherwise
we do something different about it. Mart Mitchell was done
a kick ass job rankly and Aukland CBD, and he's
gone about that job in a different way. He's understood
the problem, which is complex and difficult. He's worked with
the agencies. And when you see you know, crime down
thirty five percent, in serious assaults down twenty two percent,
of retail crime down fifty cent. Yeah, we've got a

(56:38):
long way to go, don't get me wrong. And I'm
not declaring victory by any stretch, and I'll be constructively
dissatisfied to the end, I suspect. But the point is
at least we're doing things different. We're trying things, and
the public just want us to try and they want
us to focus on them and delivery and why.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I'm seeing see next Juesday. Appreciate it. Crystalper Luxan twelve
away from.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
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Speaker 2 (57:04):
It'd be a lot of feedback on the obviously he's
Prime Minister. You get a lot of feedback anyway, but
a lot of people seeing him as increasingly confident, which
is encouraging. Wow, brilliant, He's the man all of that
sort of stuff. I did say see you next Tuesday.
I had never heard of it originally when it came
up as just into adourn I don't subscribe to it.
It's just one of those things I say. It means nothing.
Don't text me about it, Harold, don't need to write

(57:25):
a story about it. Mike love and will hate him.
At least he turns up on the country's largest radio show.
That is true. Chris Luckson. I think he was the
best ever interview I've heard with a politician. I mean,
it's nice if you just say, I'm not sure that's
actually true, Mike. If you're both enlightened and angry, go
Christopher Luxon and your government with your change is to
fruitless policy of olden stay strong to keep the winging dumpties.

(57:45):
As I've said all along, the thing about a first
term government like this when you've inherited the mess they have. Yeah,
you don't want to second guess yourself. Go for broke.
No one will ever vote you down or count against
you for going broke. And if you hadn't known about
that aut I'll come back to that in a moment.
But we need to thank one of the listeners who

(58:05):
texted us with that detail. We followed it up yesterday.
It is a scandal. It is real and if you
miss the nuance and subtlety of it, I'll go through
it for you in just a moment. Steven away from
mate on my costing breakfast with But this is the
sort of indefensible nonsense it's going on at universities around
the country. AUT. So it's a point system to determine

(58:28):
if you get the chance to go on an international trip, right,
So anytime you want to travel further than Australia, you
have to fill out this particular form. So they look
at the prestige of the conference, how far are you going,
what the cost is the risk of travel? Who the
trip would be funded by, blah blah blah. And then
you come to the final box, which is the equity
consideration box. If you're not MARI or PACIFICA, the highest
score you can get to twenty nine. That's all you

(58:51):
can do. If you are PACIFICA, you've got a little
bonus there. They give you twenty percent for being PACIFICA
because they quote are committed to proactively supporting equity in
improved outcomes, or if you're MARI, So that's twenty percent
for PACIFICA. If you're MARI, it's thirty percent because they're
committed to proactively supporting mari aspirations in tertiary education. So

(59:13):
as a non MARI, you get twenty nine MAC score.
If you're a Pacificer from the Pacifica Ireland thirty four
point eight, or if you're Maory thirty seven point seven,
So thirty seven point seven versus twenty nine based on
literally nothing more than race. Government issues are very very clear, edict.

(59:34):
Why then is that nonsense? Still? Continuing?

Speaker 1 (59:40):
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It is seven past eight. The new PGA Tour season
is underway. Other reason I mentioned this is golf and
a seasons are a little bit tricky, especially playing the
PGA and the dp world too. Like Ryan Fox does anyway,
is a fun fact. The off season is eleven days long,
shortest of any anyway. The Fox comes off the back
of the Irish Open over the weekend. He's planning what's
next for the rest of the year and into twenty
twenty five. So it's time for to catch up. Ryan

(01:00:13):
foxes with us. Good morning, morning mine.

Speaker 17 (01:00:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
In preparation for this, I tried to work out where
the season's at, the PGA, your tour, Europe America live,
and what you need? How many cards, how many points?
It's so damn confusing what's actually happening the season wise?

Speaker 14 (01:00:31):
Season wise, I'm in Europe at the moment, defending Wentworth
this week, which is pretty cool, and then I'm heading
back to the States after that. I've got a little
bit of work to do to keep PGA Tour card
for the year. You know, I probably ninety five percent
of the way there, based on the PGA Tours projection
so yeah, a couple of good weeks and I can

(01:00:54):
sort that out, and then I kind of got a
decision to make at the end of the year where
I'm going to play from there, whether I keep playing
in the US or come back to Europe and play.
You know, I'm pretty keen on taking a little bit
of a break. I'm fighting a little bit of a
hip injury at the moment, so that needs a little
bit of rest and some attention at the end of
the year, but it's not nothing serious and just need

(01:01:16):
to manage it at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Excellent information, So a couple of things out of that,
the PG and chasing a card on the PGA Tour.
At your level of experience, do you feel the pressure
or not?

Speaker 14 (01:01:30):
Yeah, a little bit. You know, it's especially probably because
I'm close and I don't need much. So the idea
now is to not actually think about it that way
and go out and actually try to win tournaments. And
that's the easiest way to deal with it, actually not
think about where you are. You know, golf's a funny one.
You're always at some point trying to fight for your job.

(01:01:51):
I've been lucky in Europe to have a couple of
wins and take that stress off. But I'm going to
fight for my job on the PGA Tour year and
year out without.

Speaker 9 (01:02:00):
Without a win.

Speaker 14 (01:02:00):
So you know, it's in that space. It's kind of
a normal scenario to be and so while there is
a little bit of pressure, it's you've got your little
ways of dealing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
With it, okay, And then the decision as to whether
you go PGA or Europe, how do you work that through?

Speaker 14 (01:02:19):
It kind of depends on how I've gone of this
week in Europe, if I've got enough to play in
our final events in Abu Dhabi in Dubai, which I've
got a bit of work to do there, whether you know,
coming home and having a rest and sort of might
hop out of the better option, or you know, if

(01:02:39):
I play well in the US coming up, I've got
a way to play my way into some of the
bigger events at the end sorry the start of next year.
So yeah, there's a whole lot of permutations to work out, basically,
and it's basically very dependent on how how I play
in the next few weeks. But you know, kind of

(01:03:00):
got to look at it as an opportunity to give
myself a better season next year, depending on how things
go the hip.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
How does that unfold, Who do you seek advice from,
and who makes the decision as to whether you play
on or get it treated.

Speaker 14 (01:03:17):
I think the decision to play on and get it
treated is basically on me. You know. I've basically just
got to torn labor them in my right happen and
some kind of impingement going on there, which is actually
relatively common in sport, especially in golf, and it's it's
been giving me a little bit of grief all year
without really knowing what's going on. So I've had the scans.

(01:03:38):
I kind of know what's going on now, so that
actually makes things a little bit easier. I've you know,
I have been managing it relatively well for most of
the year, so I can continue to do that. But
it's obviously needs It's not ideal, so it needs a
little bit of time at the end of the year,
potentially some treatment. But I've got to probably have a
couple more scans and inputation with a specialist to kind

(01:04:01):
of work out what that plan is going forward. But
now I've got a bit of time at the end
of the season to kind of work that out. Now,
so I've been told I can't do any damage. I'm
getting treatment by physios and stuff like that to make
sure everything else around that has working properly, and the
golf game actually feels like it's in half eat and
shape at the moment. So we'll just keep going until

(01:04:27):
I feel like it's time to stop for the year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Basically, that partially answers the question, so that doesn't play
with you psychologically. You don't start adjusting swings and stances
and stuff like that to compensate.

Speaker 14 (01:04:39):
I have a little bit this year subconsciously, and it's
probably called some issues, but it's almost it's flipped the
other way now that I know that there was there's
now an issue there, and some of the stuff I've
been struggling with hasn't necessarily been my fault, so mentally
it's probably a little bit easy to deal with, and

(01:04:59):
now we know what the issue is, I can sort
of work around it with mobility, with some strength and
the exercises and hopefully take all the pressure off that
and then sort of get back to where I have
been the last couple of years golf swing wise. Because
it has called some issues this year, but at least
now knowing what's going on, it's a lot easier to
manage in that respect. So I've got to manage the

(01:05:21):
workload a little bit as well, so you know, not
grind too much and not do too much on it
week to week. Like the walking and stuff like, that's
no issue. It's just the golf swing is the one
that can put a little bit of pressure on it.
So you just manage that a little bit. But for
the most part, I can't do any more damage to
it than what it is there now, and you know

(01:05:43):
I can. I can work my way through it with
some with some exercises and potentially a couple of anti
inflammatories here from there, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Listen, hold on, I'll give you some details too on
Chasing the Fox if you're interested. This will be the
third edition of Chasing the Fox, which is coming up
mid December and when Ryan's back in the country anyway.
More from Ryan Fox and just in Moment Down of
Ireland thirteen Past the.

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Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Have me catch up with Ryan Fox who's in Europe
at the moment. Chasing Fox will give you the details
in the moment, as I say, but sixteen past day.
By the way, how much Ryn, how much of this
is fun versus how much of it's a grind.

Speaker 14 (01:06:21):
It's about fifty fifty at the moment. I've done a
lot of travel the last couple of years. You know,
the US has been difficult this year in that respect.
I think we've spent thirty weeks traveling around out of
a suitcase with no base, twenty of that with twenty
of those weeks or with the family and two young kids.
So there was definitely a fair bit of a grind

(01:06:43):
in there. But you know, I still get to do
what I love for a living. We've had some great experiences.
I've still played some decent golf this year as well,
so I've still had some fun. But some of it's
been been very hard, and in that respect's probably been
a little harder than previous years and that in that respect,
but also, you know, I've got to play on a

(01:07:03):
PJ door. That's been a dream of mine for a
long time. And yeah, I certainly wouldn't swap any of
the experiences I've had, you know the last couple of years.
Been able to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
How much of the PGA tour is like full swing
if you've seen that.

Speaker 14 (01:07:20):
I haven't watched a lot of it, to be honest,
I find it kind of weird watching people that I
kind of know.

Speaker 9 (01:07:28):
It's.

Speaker 14 (01:07:29):
The episode I did watch was the Joel Damon one,
and that's probably much more what it's like week to
week for most people. You know, the top guys are
flying private and stuff like that, and there's a little
bit of that, but you know, for the most part,
guys are taking a couple of connecting flights a week,
going week to week, staying in hotels, you know, just

(01:07:52):
grinding and working pretty hard to try to keep their
job out there. Obviously it's pretty lucrative if you do well,
but you know, there's a lot of pressure on week
to week to make sure you're still out there and
being able to provide for your family going forward. So
I'd say it's it's probably a fair representation both ways.
A fear it present representation for the absolute top guys

(01:08:14):
we have kind of feel like they have nothing to
worry about, and then a fear representation for someone like
Joel Damon for everybody else out there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
So the grass is greener in America and there are
palm trees and lots of sunshine, whereas you're in Europe
you're often dealing with wind and links, courses and stuff.
Does it make any difference to you personally?

Speaker 14 (01:08:35):
Personally, I probably prefer Europe. We've got a bit more
variety in the golf course we play. I've got a
lot of really good friends over here. I've probably struggled
with that in America and that respect. This year, you know,
first year, and it's kind of hard to get to
know people. But it was probably the same in Europe
if I look back, you know, eight nine years ago

(01:08:56):
when I first came over here. So maybe it's just
a bit of getting used to it over there. But
I've enjoyed it for the most part. In America. There's
definitely been some things that were tougher than expected. But
as I said, I dreamed of doing this for a
long time and it's pretty cool to actually be able
to do it now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Good without being too crass about it, I know, in
the last couple of years you pulled in excess of
about five million a year. This year it's a bit
over one million. Does that affect you psychologically when you
think jeez, that's a hotel bill and a rental car
and a trip, and I need to earn more money
or it doesn't matter.

Speaker 14 (01:09:34):
To be honest, it doesn't matter. I mean, obviously the
last two years have been pretty good in that respect,
but I don't. I don't play golf for the money. Obviously.
I'm in a pretty pretty good place in that sense,
So you do think about it. If you miss a
few cups in a row, it is a pretty expensive

(01:09:54):
way to make a living if you're not making money,
and golf's pretty brutal and mat if you missed a
cutt make anything. So you know, in the US it's
probably been in an excess of six or seven thousand
dollars a week spending to do it. And if you do,
if you're not making money, it is it does get
expensive quickly. But you know, you kind of got a

(01:10:15):
trust in the end that I'm there for a reason.
I know I'm good enough to compete and at some
point it's going to turn around, and you know the
rewards are there, and I've been lucky enough, you know,
this year I've still had a couple of really good
results and covered myself quite easily in the US, and
obviously the last couple of years have been very good
in that regards, so yeah, it's it's still been a

(01:10:36):
good experience and I'm not worried too much about the
money side of things. It's more about trying to compete
and trying to win tournaments.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Good on you and go well.

Speaker 12 (01:10:43):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
We'll look forward to catching up Ryan Fox with us
out of Europe. We wish him well for the weekend
and I'll give you the address for if you're interested
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Oh sorry, I was just being distracted by the acting
director of the Secret Service.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Okay, we'll still hit one because it's like still worth
doing you sure, yeah way, So otherwise people are going
to wonder what you do here?

Speaker 20 (01:12:18):
Oh I wonder that every day?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
All right, here we go pasking. So just to update
you on what's going on in Palm Beach West, Palm Beach,
No less is Ralph. Seems hard to believe we were
just talking about this off here. Seems hard to believe
that some of the news organizations got his name wrong.
R U T H is different from South simply by

(01:12:40):
putting an R in. Therefore, if you say South, you
would say Ralph, which is, as it turns out, what
his name is. They somehow managed to mangle it to
something completely different. He's sitting there for a sustained period
of time in the bush with some lunch and a gun. Now,
it didn't take long for them to work out he's
not all a few sandwiches short of a picnic, despite

(01:13:02):
the fact he had a picnic with him. So anyway,
he's seemingly obsessed about Ukraine, spent a lot of his
life in North Carolina, moved recently to Hawaii, obsessed with Ukraine.
And the problem they've got at this particular point in time,
as far as I can work out, is he didn't
do anything. So being weird isn't a crime, and it's

(01:13:22):
certainly not a conviction on an assassination attempt. As far
as I know, he didn't fire his gun. The pop
pop pop that was heard that was the Secret Service
who discovered him.

Speaker 20 (01:13:32):
Yes, and we can confirm that here.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
As former President Trump was moving through the fifth fairway
across the course and out of sight of the sixth green.
The agent, who was visually sweeping the area of the
sixth screen, saw the subject armed with what he perceived
to be a rifle and immediately discharged his firearm. The subjects,
who did not have line of sight to the former president,

(01:13:55):
fled the scene. He did not fire or get off
any shots at our agent. With reports of gunfire, the
former President's close protection detail immediately evacuated the President to
a safe location.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Right and wisked them away. My question is this that
not to condone nutty behavior in American normal, it's various problems.
Serial number was wiped off the gun, of course, so
that's suspicions. That's why they've charged them with some gun crimes.
But sitting outside a golf course with your picnic and
a gun having not fired, it is not an assassination
attempt in legal terms. And until they find something like

(01:14:30):
a confession, I don't know where they actually go with this. Anyway,
News for you in a couple of moments. Then we'll
go to the UK and Rock.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
So they're going to lay those charges. I find that
hard to believe. So anyway, they're just wrapping up in
West Palm Beach and the new head of the Secret Service,
who is the new head because the previous head who
was in charge when the kid climbed on the building
and shot him in the ear, then had to turn
up in front of a whole lot of people in
Washington who asked a lot of unfortunate questions about her
a competence, which led to her resigning. So he's the

(01:15:12):
new head. So he's pleaded for a bit more money.
They need a bit more resource. But in totality they
regard yesterday as a success, which I think you probably
got to conclude it was. I mean, the guy sitting
there behind a fence with his picnic and as AK
forty seven, waiting for the president, and two holes before
he gets there, they've rounded him up. He's run away.
They've got him. So now they're going to allegedly I

(01:15:34):
just don't know how they charged somebody with an assassination attempt.

Speaker 20 (01:15:39):
Well, the FBI, that's exactly what they've said they've said
this was an assassination attempt, so they got to prove that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
And unless they've got something that we don't know about
on his phone or as whatever, there was no assassination
attempt because he didn't discharge his gun. So how they
make that stick legally is interesting. Twenty two minutes away
from nine.

Speaker 17 (01:15:59):
International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance the peace of
mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Super can we go on Little Morning.

Speaker 9 (01:16:05):
Mate to you mate?

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Hewitwards is not in jail? Are we surprised?

Speaker 9 (01:16:11):
No, not remotely, and in many cases for good reasons
that you know, he should be treated the same way
as everyone else charged with the same offenses should be treated,
which is that you know he downloaded appalling stuff on
child pool from the internet. But by and large the

(01:16:34):
sentence for people who do that is a suspended sentence
if he hasn't had a previous conviction. And he's had
no previous conviction, so I don't think there's much worry
about that. There's more worry about the way the BBC
handled it. There's more worry about the way the BBC
bummed him two hundred grand and he's still got it

(01:16:58):
and there's a general worry about the way the BBC
conducts its affairs. I don't think that the actual sentencing
on the judicial procedure through which Hugh Edwards sadly went,
And it is sad because he was, you know, a
bloke I knew quite well. Never liked him hugely he

(01:17:23):
says now obviously, but didn't. But it's there is still
this suspicion, more than a suspicion, that the BBC crowds
around the people who it values and refuses them to

(01:17:46):
be subjected to the same scrutiny that would happen to
other people in society, which is what happened of course
with Jimmy Sepple.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Exactly does anybody ever quote, I mean outside of you obviously,
but at a higher level, given at all publicly funded,
does anyone at government lebel Liby guy actually that that's
not a bad point, Rod or whoever else. Maybe we
need to have a look at the BBC and the
way they operate.

Speaker 17 (01:18:07):
No.

Speaker 9 (01:18:08):
I think a few Tories probably did, but I don't
think they do anymore. And I certainly don't think the
current government, which is about to make some sort of
alliance with the BBC I think over its continued license fee. No,
it will continue to be this vast organization which does

(01:18:29):
many many good things, you know, but which nonetheless lives
its life in a bubble and against to The accusations
of bias grow by the day and are almost in contestable.
It's a real problem the BBC, and it's a problem
I think not just for you know, the right, which

(01:18:51):
hates it, but also to the left, which thinks it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Starmer and Maloney. I don't know that you could get
two more current politicians who would have less and common
apart from the migrant is Is there a deal to
be done here in some way, shape or form or not.

Speaker 9 (01:19:07):
Well, yes, I think there is. This is important because
this is Starma reaching out to Europe. So Starma's vision
is to reach out to Europe in a way which
obviously the Conservative Party didn't do because we left the
European Union. So if you follow that kind of logic,
it means that you have to reach out to people

(01:19:29):
who really don't share your point of view. And basically
Georgia Maloney, who has been described in the English media
and the BBC particularly today, is far right, which is
what they described as anyone who is actually entering a
hole towards Satan is actually basically a satur rate. And

(01:19:53):
there are some similarities between what Starma may feel about
the way which the economy is ordered and the way
which Georgia Maloney fields the economy should be ordered. He
has gone to great lens to say, look, I don't
agree with Maloney about loads of stuff, but there are
things we can learn from her, and there are you know,

(01:20:14):
Italy has cut its immigrant quota by sixty four percent
in the last year. You know, it's done a really
really good job, partly through jubious deals and everything that
sorts this out will be dubious with Libya, Algeria, to
Tunisia and Albania. And I think, you know, if if

(01:20:36):
labor can grasp this and move forward on it in
a way, they can do it more easily than the
Tories could, who were always seen as being persecuting the refugees.
There is some future for it with Kiars Darma very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Just quickly, Rod to wrap this up, how much did
the doctors get in the in the junior doctors.

Speaker 9 (01:20:56):
Twenty two percent? Exactly what they asked twenty two You know,
it's just at a time when they are telling us
that there is no money in the economy to give
the junior doctors who were already very well paid twenty
two it's people will wake up and they will see

(01:21:19):
how absurd that is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
I reckon, go well, mate, we'll catch up Thursday, Rod Little.
The problem for Kearstamarund of the other story we didn't
have time to cover off today is this this bloke
and it's not just him. Over the year has been
many people. But one of the people who gives money
to the Labor Party is Lord Wahi Dali. Anyway, some
of the money he gave tuned up to be clothing
for Sakia and his wife, Lady Victoria. And who's lady Victoria?

(01:21:44):
Turned up in Italy today they said, is that one
of yours, Lady Victoria, is it? And the problem with
that is, of course that's going to haunt them forever.
Sixteen to two, the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
While we're just in Britain, a very interesting case that
got culminated over the weekend. So there's a teacher, her
name's Hussain Mariah has sayn she's thirty seven, carried out
a placard at a probe Palestinian protest depicting Rishis Snak
and Seuella Braveman as coconuts. So she's been found not
guilty of a racially aggravated public order offense. Her defense

(01:22:20):
said the placard was not racist, but it was satirical
and humorous. Prosecutor said coconut was a well known racial slur,
suggesting someone was brown on the outside, white on the inside.
The defense described the decision to bring the case as
a disturbing attack on the right of freedom of expression
and peaceful protest. Image on one side was Rishi, on
the other side the Home Secretary Kruella Braveman. I find

(01:22:41):
it astonishing it could be conceived as a message of hate.
This is her cac in defense of all people, as
being prosecuted for a racially aggravated defense, while the likes
of Seuella Braveman, Nigel Faraj and Tommy Robinson seemingly free
to make inflammatory and devisib statements on the net, Which
is not a bad point I would have thought anyway.
Hussein is a woman of impeccable character. Apparently judge agreed
two day trial. Placard was part, said the judge, part

(01:23:04):
of the genre of political satire who names but nessa
Lloyer the judge as such, the prosecution have not proved
to the criminal standard that it was abusive. The prosecution
is also not proved to the criminal standard that you
were aware that your placard may be abusive. So she
gets away with it. Somebody texted me before and it
wasn't an unfair point either. So Hugh Edwards gets no
jail time. But somebody goes out and throws a chair

(01:23:27):
through a window. Not that we're condoning any of that,
of course, but during the riots and the protests, they
get locked up for a very long time because the
government decides that that needs to be stamped on in
a major way. So the prisons are now overflowing with
people who went out and caused trouble. I would have
stuck them in jail too, and for a very long time.
But then again I would have stuck Hugh Edwards in
jail as well. But then this woman goes out with
a placard with a couple of coconuts, and you think,

(01:23:48):
hang on, in this day and age, is that acceptable.

Speaker 20 (01:23:50):
Could they not have argued that it was actually a
bad look for coconuts.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
And then and then it may have heard coconuts. Then
we'll give the address to the BSA in just a
couple of moments. And his name is not Mike. It
is eleven away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Called the mic hosting Breakfast with the Jaguar Airbase News
Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
I just put the very thing I was going to
talk about away. But what it was. It was about
Tiano Airport. And they've come up with an idea and
the council runs Tiana Airport. This is in Manipurian Fjorudland,
so the council runs and this goes back to the
house I was talking about last week in Monaco drive
at Highlands in Central Otago. So Tiana Airport's got a

(01:24:31):
couple of things. The costs are high, the numbers of
customers are low, so they're losing money. So what do
they do. Well, what they do is they employ some
people to say, come up with some ideas for us
to see how we can do it. So one of
the ones was boost domestic tourism and all that sort
of stuff. All of that's fine, but one of the
best ideas they've come up with is sell houses with hangers.

(01:24:53):
Now there's a house for sale with a hangar somewhere
in the North Island. I think it's north of Auckland
at the moment. In fact, there may well be two
houses for sale with hangers associated and one of the
properties is being a lifestyle block has its own runway. No,
I don't need it. I'm making the same look, it's
all on my mind. I don't need the paperwork, mate,
don't worry about it. What else do you do around here? Actually,

(01:25:16):
now that we raise it, have the rest of the
day off. And where was I? So there's two houses
and they both got hangars for people who love planes
as opposed to houses with people who love cars. So
not only that, one of the houses got its own runways.
So they came up with the idea at Tanna Airport,
why not build some houses that come with hangars. So,
in other words, if you've got a holiday home and

(01:25:38):
then you could buy a house with a hangar, and
you could then buy yourself a plane and you can
go on holiday with your plane in your house.

Speaker 20 (01:25:46):
Well that's what we were talking about, wasn't it a
Paranoi the same thing. There are houses with hangers.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Well, there are houses with hangers, and there also houses
with wharves and boats. So you've done it with a
wharf in a boat. You've done it with a house
and a hangar, and so why wouldn't you do that?
The only thing about Tiana is slightly remote, of course,
but then again, if you've got your plane, not as
remote as it used to be. Very good idea. Congratulations
six minutes away from nine trending.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Now quit chemast warehouse praise it would sal on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Now what's that piece of paper? Semmy? You want to
bring it in now? So Netflix latest offering on a
docco series of one of those great sports stories. You're
ready for us? Very good game yesterday Kansas City Chiefs
and the Cincinnati Bengals. Of all the games yesterday, that
was the best game, and by some considerable margin, and

(01:26:36):
by the end of it you wanted the Bengals to win,
but unfortunately they didn't. You Also, if you're like me,
how I have a growing antagonism towards Taylor Swift, I admir.

Speaker 20 (01:26:49):
Are you and tramp well so far as to say
you hate it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
No, not remotely, because I like Watch Years in terms
of a musical piecing.

Speaker 20 (01:26:57):
Because I'm just trying to think, did he say I
feel and agonistic?

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Lord Taylor Swift, her ongoing faux excitement and hugging people
is just annoying and if they could just get the
cameras off room.

Speaker 20 (01:27:10):
Well, that's what I found it annoying about her as
her faux everything. I find everything that she like her music,
I've seen it right from the beginning. I find everything faux.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
There's a story of her in the British press this morning.
She's had something done with her back because she had
one of those hunch things. She had a sort of
a hunchback and now she doesn't. So this got anything
to do with what I was saying about.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Next trending now with chemist weelluse the home of big
brand fight ements.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
But God's sake, Sammy, can you get that paper in here?
It's called the Comeback. It's about the Boston Red Sox
two thousand and four. They were the first team in
Major League history to come back from three nil down
to win their first title since nineteen eighteen.

Speaker 13 (01:27:50):
I have a vivid memory of sitting trying to play
with THEO in that game, and when the face started,
he jumped out of a sea and he was like pumped, like, ah,
finally we like show some energy this year.

Speaker 16 (01:28:04):
I couldn't believe Tech put his hands in his face
like that, have a perfect angle when he goes down
to scoop him mop and I thought for sure he
was gonna like under the giant holcoke and his body
slam of every barroom and household.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Used to be like Cardinal Cushing, John F.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Kennedy.

Speaker 10 (01:28:20):
Even now it's Jason Varitek stuff in his midt into
Alice Rodriguez's.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Face, partaking hit him with his mask on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Yeah, that's what you think of in the moment when
he plays it to play at whatever you do, like, oh,
time out, I forgot I have my mask on. I
wear this all the time. I'm gonna go put this
over there. And that's what it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Is, is what it is. Anyway, it gets better. They
weren't just three Niel down to the Yankees in the
second round. They were also trailing in the ninth inning
of Game four.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Out on Netflix, October twenty three. By the way, best
story yesterday from the Football the Center before he snaps
the ball in the Green Bay game, vomits on the ball,
snaps it back to the quarterback. Quarterback goes, my god,
there's vomit on the ball. Do I pass the ball?
And he doesn't, and the coach said, why don't you
pass the ball? He goes, because the guy just vomited

(01:29:15):
on it. Cool story Back tomorrow, Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
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