Full Show Podcast: 17 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's home for trusted news and views. The Mike
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Dead be well, you welcome today. New stats around well,
A lot of stuff, our lack of nurses, the size
of our creative sect, of the price of food, the
number of people in jail. Will also talk to the
black Caps coach ahead of the chapel had Lee Mark
and Jimmy Politics Wednesday after eight Richard Arnold, Dennis Shanahan
to the business as well. Pasky looking forward to Wednesday
seven past six. I tell you what I've only nostalgia
paid the bills a but when it comes to peaches,

(00:29):
clearly it doesn't what he's routers. I'm sure you're well
aware by now. PAMs. PAMs do a good line of
imported stuff. Those who buy peaches and tins like cheap
A lot of us like cheap. Cheap has never been
more appealing in the cost of living crisis, of course,
And if I was in the business of patriotic purchase,
I would close my door and go home. It does work,
and I was looking this up yesterday. It does work
to a degree. Overseas Australia's running a buy Aussie campaign

(00:51):
which has had some traction. Canada, you might be aware,
gave it a good push post that tariff debarcle. French
are into it. But a place like New Zealand, despite
the rhetoric, has never really excelled at being good at
buying local hasard. I mean, PAMs do peaches at ninety
nine cents? Whaties are doing them at three point ninety?
They would have to be some pretty spectacular fruit for

(01:12):
that price. And that is why what is they told
us yesterday are out. Demand is down. People are simply
not buying that stuff anymore. Who needs Brian down the
road in the Bay when you can have fruit from
Lord knows where at a fraction of the price. Peaches
are also out of favor, as Greg, my hairdresser, and
I were talking about yesterday afternoon. Who buys cans of
peaches anymore? Anyway? It's school camp food, he said, But

(01:33):
he might just be one of those trendy urbanites. I
walked him down memory Lane with my childhood canned fruit salad.
You remember that day at peaches and then pears and
apples and two cherries, the cherries with a prize. I'd
happily burn a whole can of syrupy crap to land
those two cherries. Love the cherries. But here's the thing.
One of the tricks in life is honesty. When we
face these issues, we burn a lot of energy and
time on things we know aren't going to work or

(01:55):
a past they are used by date, or are indeed
a waste of time. Marching, for Gars is not saving
the seat lifele stopping the war. Turning up at cop
thirty isn't going to get us an inch closer and
at zero helling Clark is never going to think more
constants of Eden Park is good and we don't like
local anything if we pay more than some cheap crap
from Vietnam or Timu. It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
News of the world in ninety seconds, right.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Double war coverage for you. War one Middle East un
reports is genocide Israel eight buying that.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
It belongs in the ben It is rubbish.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
It completely distorts international law, distorts the Geneva Conventions, distorts
the facts, and distorts common sense about the war that
Israel finds itself in.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
War number two Ukraine Trump to meet Starma Vlod's watching
I very.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Much hope that Prime Minister Starma will be able to
have a very specificic discussion on the security guarantees of
the United States for Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
And of course Trump will meet Starma at Czechs, which
means he's in Britain, which is not all that popular.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Humiliating for the British public. Our protests you can expect
to see people from all walks of life joining together
in unity to say that we stand together against this
rhetoric of hate, against this divisiveness that we're seeing from Trump.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Man him self, life phizing, prit.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
Charles and Camilla, the friends of mine for a long time,
long before he was king. And it's an honor to
have this thing.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
And you know he's I think he.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
Represents the country so well. I've watched he sets an
elegant gentleman.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
He's right on that now. Then back in Washington on
the Hill, the scene, the Senate Judiciary Committee, the pliers,
Dick Durban, top Democrat, Cash Battel and battle deaf beyond Directed.

Speaker 7 (03:39):
Director Patel again sparked mass confusion by incorrectly claiming on
social media that the six shooter was in custody, which
he then had to walk back with another social media post,
he violated one of the basics of effective law enforcement
at critical stages of an investigation, shut up and let
the professionals do their job.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
To be the ninth director of the FBI, I'm not
going anywhere. If you want to criticize my sixteen years
of service, please bring it on.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Finally, one of the greats has died, Robert Redford eighty nine. Yes,
the movies, of course, but also the festival named after
the character.

Speaker 8 (04:15):
The reason I started Sundownce was because I felt that
the mainstream was completely controlling exhibition, and I just felt
there were a whole lot of other people out there
who were counented, who had stories to be told, but
they were undisciplined because they had not had a chance
to develop themselves.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
He was, of course right, wasn't he News of the
world In ninety second Lisa Cooker win for her. She's
the one Trump wanted to fire, so she will be
at that meeting this week to vote on potential rate cuts.
We think the rape cuts are coming. That's separate, by
the way, to Mirrorn Stephen Mirren, who is his current
pick to get on the FED, but for different reasons anyway,

(04:51):
that's just been ticked off by the Senate. He got
through confirmed at forty eight to forty seven, twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Mike asking Breakfast Full show podcast on iHeartRadio, how off
My News talks.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Evy utah Da is just announcing charges against the kirk
killer or alleged kirk killer. Richard Arnold's all over that.
He'll be with us very shortly. Meantime, a woman called
Maria Corfield who's a former health minister in Britain. She's
the latest to defect to reform this morning. If you're
a conservative, right minded, then the future has reformed. The
same people who thought that Brexit would not happen think

(05:26):
that reform will not happen. They are in for a shock.
So another day, another desertion of fifteen pars six from
JMI wife Andrew Keller had good morning, very good morning, Mike.
It's okay. I mean it's not up, but it's okay,
isn't it.

Speaker 9 (05:39):
This dairy auction, yeah, so I think there'll be a
little bit of relief around the traps actually after this
outcome overnight. So yeah, global dairy trade auction ran last
night and the price index has fallen zero point eight percent,
which is a far better outcome I think than had
been feared, and particularly when compared to the four point
three percent fall. And that was quite the sort of
unexpected for in the price at the last auction on

(06:01):
the second of September. So what sort of happened to
here Micas Since that last auction, we've seen further weakness
in these these futures contracts, these derivative contracts that trade
on the INSIDEX Futures Exchange, so you can trade futures
contracts on whole milk powder, skin miik powder. They've been
they had fallen so which led to fears we may
see another chunky fall in the auction over I would say, Mike,

(06:23):
these futures, the futures price action hasn't always been a
great guide or an indicative of what happens in the
global dairy trade. Auction tends to be useful directionally, so
if it's weaker, it tends to you know, you see
that directional lead, But the magnitude it doesn't always it's
not always a great read.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
On the magnitude.

Speaker 9 (06:41):
Those key contracts in the auction last night, skin milk
powder are pretty much flat down zero point three percent,
whole more powder down zero point eight percent, which both
of which are really I guess holding steady buttered down
zero point eight percent, but mozzarella big fall in mozzarella
down nine point six percent, So the pizza manufacturers will
be chairing. So all in all, the outcome a little

(07:04):
bit better than I think had been feared.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
A lot of emphasis on food yesterday, but they weren't
the only numbers, were they.

Speaker 9 (07:10):
No, No, no, that's using Yesterday released the monthly Selective
Price Indexes, which measures the inflation approximately fifty percent of
the items that make up the Consumer Price Index. Key
takeaway from the DADIA yesterday is that the total combined
move in the items represented was a little weaker than expected,
which suggests Mike that the peak in CPI inflation could

(07:33):
there's a possibility that will be a little bit lower
than had been forecasts. The context there, we've got the
one point three percent sort of band, that's the target band.
That were the concerns that we were going to flirt
with the upper level of that band. The outcome we've
got yeshs maybe we don't. That's good news for the
RB and Z and all certain let doesn't stand in
the way of the expected OCR cuts. Were still expecting

(07:55):
a couple of cuts before Christmas. That'll get the OCR
to two and a half percent. I think that's still
a valid assumption. The interesting thing Mike here is that
that outcome yesterday on those selective price indecks opened the
door to a conversation around do we need more? Do
we need to get that OCA below two and a half?
I think that's premature, but it was being discussed. Food

(08:17):
prices tend to get the most attention, don't They might,
and that's understandable. We will ultimately have to eat and
it represents eighteen and a half percent of the CPI
basket rose zero point three percent in the month. That
was running at zero point seven last month. Year on year,
though food price inflation is still running at five percent,
that's the highest percent at since November twenty three. Your

(08:38):
fruit and veggies, Mike, I know you're like your fruit
and veggies eight point nine percent year on year.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
There, give it that sword that was cabbages, though cabbages
were eighty five percent. Look skew the market, Hendrew.

Speaker 9 (08:50):
There's some crazy numbers in here. If you're a dedicated
carnival beef prices up up over twenty percent, and lamb
even higher than that. So but doesn't this all represent.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Inside those noom represents this conundrum.

Speaker 9 (09:03):
This is wonderful for the people making it, not so
much for the people using it. So unfortunately, it's great
for the exporters, but just not so much for the consumers.
The only other thing I want to mention in that Mike,
Yesterday's rents rents as eleven percent of the CPI basket.
Good news yesterday for renters, not so much for rental
property owners. Annual rent inflation running at two point one

(09:23):
percent is the lowest we've seen it in fifteen years,
and there's no real catalyst for that to push higher
at the moment as well.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Oh exactly, And having said that, these these house price things,
so you've got more listings and fewer sales, which I
thought was interesting for August.

Speaker 9 (09:36):
Yeah, the ari I and Z house price index are
still very subdued house price movements. House price index at
zero foo point four percent year and your NAT nationally
I sort of take a step back five year compound
growth rate three point two percent, which on a real
basis take inflation off, that be close to zero, wouldn't it.
Auckland unchanged over the outside of Augan zero point seven percent.
Sales declined year and year a month and month for

(09:59):
both of you, and more listings, so new listings up
nine percent. The only thing here might median days to
sell did for that's a positive sign, and I do
want to highlight medium days to sell in Auckland fell
four days, so you never know. Something may be stirring
in New Zealand's biggest city.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I think it's spring. I think it's springing. The Viber's
back Andrew for now, though, what are the numbers?

Speaker 9 (10:21):
Are the numbers? So it's all pretty quiet leading into
the FED. Everyone's hanging out waiting for the FED. The
dal Jones forty five, seven hundred and fifty eight down
one hundred and twenty five points, that's about a quarter
of percent. The s and P five hundred down five
sixty six h nine so not much changed there. And
the Nastack down eight points twenty two thousand, three hundred
and forty one forty one hundred lost point eight eight

(10:44):
percent overnight nine one ninety five. The Nick up point
three percent forty four thousand, nine hundred and two small
change in the Shenghai composite three out sixty one and
the Australasian markets small gains the A six two hundred
up point two eight percent eighty eight seven seven, the
Interex fifty up point two percent, thirteen thousand, two hundred
and thirty four Keywi dollop point five nine eighty eight

(11:06):
against the US point eight nine five six against the
Ossie point five oh four six, euro point four three
eight four pounds eighty seven point sixty five Japanese year
and the Gold three thousand, six hundred and eighty seven
dollars and break crew sixty eight dollars and sixty four cents.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Have a great day, Andrew kelliherjmiwealth dot co dot m
z coskmes. From the recent fashion week here, ticket sales
were up twenty percent, so we'll take that. HOSPO spending
in the downtown area misus Auckland, of course, increased by
thirty two point one percent. On the Wednesday they had
a bump of nineteen point six percent. Apparel and HOSPO
spend in the central waterfront area, which is where it

(11:41):
was was up seven point four percent, and on Queen
Street up eleven point six percent, So that backs up
the whole build it and they will come. Theory doesn't up.
Six twenty one Herod News Talk ZBO.

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Speaker 2 (12:01):
It be yes talking to an Asian speaking of real estair.
It's talking to an Asian. Yesterday, four houses coming on.
I don't think you want to underestimate the number of
people about the place who were sort of getting their
property ready for spring. I think there's something good coming
on there. And Katie was at the hairdresser. I was
at the hairdresser yesterday, a massive hairdressing day yesterday at
our house.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, I was going on because you're normally a Thursday here.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, but I've got the dentist Thursday. And they couldn't
move the dentist Thursday. Because I've told you about the
dentists Thursday. Once you go to the dentist, you can't
move her, and you can't. You can move the hair dressing,
but you can't move the dentistry. If I went to
move the dentistry because it was a clash, and I thought,
hold on here, if I go and tell her, I
can't come, she go, no problem, I'll see you in
March next year. So I had to then move the
hair dressing. But so we look good. But we both

(12:41):
ended up having a good explanation about well, obviously fruit
salad and canned peaches. But Katie was at the headdresser
and that hair dressing. Those people who are putting their
housing houses on the market as well, several people, So
I think the.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Suspen to be able to afford peaches well.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
And that's the next thing Katie said, how is it
with bitching about butter? We don't want to pay any
more for butter, but we're more than happy to pay
more for features. There's no logic to it, the argument,
I thought you made a very good point six five.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Trending now with him as well Spring Frenzy sale on.

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Speaker 2 (14:15):
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(14:37):
who's going to play you? Jeremy Allen White is Springsteen? Well,
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Jeremy Strong from Succession, he's his manager, John Landau. So
that's out in theaters on the twenty fourth of October yeah,
these food prices cabbages aside. We'll crunch a few numbers
for you in just a couple of moments and see

(14:58):
where we're at.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
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Speaker 2 (15:11):
Surven charges for Tyler Robinson are the most serious one
aggravated murder, but we go down to committing violent crime
when children are present office, the witness tampering alleged directing
a roommate to stay quiet, witness tampering telling a roommate
to delete text messages, obstruction of justice, deposing of clothing,
obstruction of justice, moving a firearm, disposing of clothing, not
disposing of disposing of clothing, felony charge of a firearm,

(15:33):
et cetera. So the main one is count one. Of course,
they're after the death penalty Richard Arnold more shortly twenty
three to seven boot price in next one of those
numbers we're the reading of it is the key as
far as they can work out, I mean annualized, yes
it was five percent, but the key to it, I
would have thought his month on month and didn't actually move.
Other words, the ongoing issues seem to have stopped. Deary
continues that Juggernau Act milk cup sixteen, cheese twenty six,

(15:56):
butter thirty two, meet and poultry in fishup eight. John
Stephenson as the Fontira co Operative Council chair and as
will as John, morning to you.

Speaker 12 (16:03):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
What's your understanding of the dairy story. What's your vibe
around this discussion we've been having in the country. Everyone
hates paying more for cheese and milk, but I mean,
do you think people finally understand why?

Speaker 11 (16:15):
I hope so, and certainly understand, you know, having three
grown kids ourselves, the cost of going in the said
market is really uncomfortable. But you know, hopefully the message
that it's a direct reflection of global markets is as
getting through. And just for a bit of context, you know,
Weport ninety plus of our product overseas, so we feel

(16:36):
those sides, but both for those really sharply.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Indeed, is there any actual issue when we come to
look at these numbers? Is there any issue for your
guys in your area with supermarkets either supply transportation, supply
chain markups any Are there any issues around that.

Speaker 11 (16:51):
Or not, not that we're aware of, Mike, And look,
you know, we are further away from it being farmers
and representatives of farmers. But you know what what we
see is a pretty clear correlation between current prices and
global markets. It's a good news story obviously for us
as farms strives their profitability, but you also really good
for our regional economies as well.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
And I think, great, you can't we I mean if
you look at coffee, and you look at olive oil,
and you look at chocolate, I mean that these are
climatic things as opposed to market driven things. But nevertheless,
food goes up and food goes down, and that's just life,
isn't it.

Speaker 11 (17:26):
Yeah, definitely, And from us out to speak of his farmers,
you only have to go back to the twenty three
twenty four season where we had a headline milk price
that was below the cost of production. So it's an
acture of the business and it's a good time to
be a farmer now may not always be the case.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Exactly. How bullishing you guys feeling at the moment, I mean,
are you beside yourself or not?

Speaker 13 (17:46):
Really?

Speaker 11 (17:47):
There's definitely a really strong sense of optimism. I think
we saw a couple of days ago the Rabobanks survey
come out showing the confidence and they're all sect their
second highest in the last ten years. There's certainly a
lot of optimism out there at the moment. I think
farmers taking the opportunity to invest in a bit of
deeper payment, but also invest in some technology and the

(18:08):
food repairs and maintenance to get ourselves in a good
position for whatever the cycles may deliver in the future.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Great stuff, John, appreciate your time, as John Stevenson, who's
the Fonterra Cooperative council chair. Just to run you through
a couple of the numbers. Keep you for it. For example,
down nine point three percent. You see that stuff doesn't
make the headline, does it? We want go on up
five percent? I mean, no one likes paying more. I
fully get it, but you got to understand the numbers.
Restaurant meals ready to eat food up two point four.
Non alcoholic beverages that's fuzzy crap. Don't buy it. Three

(18:36):
point nine percent up, don't buy it. Non food are
rent prices increase two point one that's pretty reasonable. Cigarettes
and tobacco up four point eight, petrol prices down two
point four, domestic air transport down eight point six, international
though up eight point three. Electricity prices and this is
where the real scandal is. This is the stuff. Forget
your butter. This is the stuff we need to be
focusing on rates, insurance and electricity. Electricity up eleven point

(19:01):
four percent. Ask yourself why supply and demand? It's the
old story nineteen two.

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(20:20):
Pasking Mike, how do I put this? We pay premium prices,
but we don't get the premium product here in New Zealand.
If we got the premium product, maybe it wouldn't be
so about. That's crap, complete crap. You can buy the
very best export quality meat, lamb beef, fruit bitch. I
mean obviously you can don't. It's not everywhere, but if
you want to shop around, you cam food doesn't go
up and down in New Zealand Mike our seemingly preferred

(20:41):
measure as it goes up. Well, I just told your
key we fruit's gone down, so it does go down.

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Speaker 12 (20:56):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (20:56):
Soon?

Speaker 15 (20:57):
He is just present. Trump on his way to the
UK so won't be so long as Europe is looking
for help to support Ukraine, and as Britain's PM is
facing tough challenges as well. Trump of course not so
popular in Britain, but flattery is a way that many
have found effective in dealing with him. So Trump will
make history as the first elected leader to receive not one,
but two state visits courtesy of the royal family. He

(21:19):
will stay over night at Windsor Castle as the guest
of Charles and Camilla, and will join them in a
carriage procession. But unlike the one arranged for French lead
to mccron this year, it will not be through the
streets of Windsor but on the private royal estate, so
away from any protesters. Right there will be thirteen hundred
military personnel and one hundred and twenty horses taking part,
with Hurricans noting that Trump will get more horses than

(21:42):
Macron did. They're counting seriously. Trump leaves behind the chaotic
aftermath of the murder of Trump supported Charlie Kirk, as
you've been noting his accused assassin now now being charged.
Utah's Jeff Gray charging twenty two year old Tyler Robinson
with seven counts, including aggravated murder. You've you've listed them
just moments ago, along with various charges of obstruction and

(22:04):
witness tampering, where the accused killer is charged was trying
to get his roommate to delete potentially incriminating texts.

Speaker 16 (22:10):
Grace is also I am filing a notice of intent
to seek the death penalty. I do not take this
decision lightly, and it is a decision I have made independently.

Speaker 15 (22:22):
That, of course, is something that Trump had called for.
The case also was a focus of a rowdy Capitol
Hill hearing a short time ago featuring the FBI Director
Cash Patel, who was grilled over the Kirk investigation and
his purge of top FBI officials that brought well lots
of heated exchanges. That's pretty much what the lawmakers do
these days? They shouted each other, including this exchange with

(22:43):
Democratic Senator Corey Booker.

Speaker 17 (22:45):
I don't think you're fitting on the bureau. But here's
the thing, mister Patel, I think you're not going to
be around long. I think this might be your last
oversight hearing it's.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
My time, not yours, my god, my god, to talk about.

Speaker 17 (22:58):
Biding this country. It is you on your social media
post is come to asy all your.

Speaker 18 (23:11):
Time for?

Speaker 15 (23:12):
So you're at the time times like this, you wish
he had a gavel right meantime, Trump, as he left
the White House, announced a fifteen billion US dollar defamation
suit against The New York Times Now for allegedly disparaging
his reputation as a political candidate and businessman than Trump
slamm Jonathan Carl who was with American ABC, as he
asked this question, and what do you think.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Camp Bondi says she's going to go after a hate speech?

Speaker 6 (23:36):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean prot of people?

Speaker 12 (23:37):
A lot of your ally say hate.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Speech is free speech.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
You should probably go after people like you because you
threep me so unfairly attained. Do you have a lot
of hate in your heart?

Speaker 15 (23:46):
Trump saying he should probably go up to people like
the network host. Then he slammed Australian reporter John Lyons
with the Australian ABC, who asked about how much wealth
Trump has gained wild in offers.

Speaker 9 (23:57):
Privately to then in office, could be engaged in so
much bit of activity. Well, I'm really not.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
My kids are running the business.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
I'm here.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
You know what the activity.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Where are you from?

Speaker 11 (24:09):
I'm from the Australian broad Catholic rite and pull porn and.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Provide the Australias.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
You're hurting Australia right in my opinion, you are hurting
Australia very much right now. Now they want to get
along with me. You know your your your leader is
coming over to see me very so I'm going to
tell them about you. You said a very bad tone.
Go ahead, John, you can set a nice deal.

Speaker 15 (24:32):
Wasn't quiet, says Trump as he walked away without answering
a question about where them there's any link between a
two billion dollar deal with the United Arab Emirates and
the Trump family related crypto company. Soon after, the White
House back giving the Amorantes access to highly sensitive AI chips,
with some critics arguing that could damage US national security.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
So you're in front of my appreciate it very much.
Richard onstight Side just an odd pole, Oldish pole. Speaking
of Trump and the aforementioned alban EASi, ty two percent
of Australians believe it's important for alb and easy to
meet Trump fifty seven percent supporter except August twenty two
percent actively support the acquisition of nuclear powered submarines. The
read from Australians on Trump is it twenty two percent

(25:13):
positive view of Trump twenty two percent. That's actually up
four points believe it on not fifty eight percent of
Australians think they've got a negative view. As far as
Palestine's concerned, no one cares. Essentially, should they recognize Palestine?
Twenty nine percent say yes, The rest either don't know
or say no. Turn away from seven.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Should the make hosking breakfast with rainthrow fer news Tog's
dead vs.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
By the way, rude Trump standby for huge. I alluded
to this yesterday as a couple of major, massive nuclear
deals going to be signed off in the next couple
of days between Britain and the US. Also overnight, Google
are putting in five billion pounds, so about eleven twelve
billion yew Zealand dollars into data in that particular part
of the world, Malawi. I also told you about yesterday
or the day before, can't remember. They finished, poles have closed,

(25:57):
they're standing by for the counting. It was everybody was
up for grabs, local councils, MPs. What everyone's wanting for
is the presidential race. The incumbent wants a second term.
The other guy, who's super old, he wants to fix
the economy. The economy is a mess, complete not a mess. Anyway.
If no candidate gets the fifty percent, they will go again.
The top two contenders will go again. I think they're
about seventeen actual contenders. And let me come back to

(26:19):
this later, because I knew this was going to happen.
And good on Rob McDonald for saying so contact Energy.
He's the independent chair Shane Jones. In this business of
renationalizing power companies, David Seymour I noted the other day,
and this is where the tension in the coalition comes
to the fore. David Seymour said the other day what
business needs is consistency. What it doesn't need is people
saying a whole lot of random stuff that may or

(26:40):
may not come to pass. We welcome, says Rob McDonald.
We welcome the government's initiatives to improve resource consenting. This
is around power calls for fundamental undefined market reform and
its potential impact on investment confidence is of concern. So
hopefully Shane Jones has got the message ive away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
All the ins and the outs. It's the biz with
business fiber, take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Dope, you old meat. We had the new Apple launch
this time last week, right, the iPhone seventeen, the iPhone Air.
They were the big drawer cards. What I didn't realize
is you couldn't get one of these because the launch
is not launch day, so they just tell you about
it and then they it's like the announcement of the announcement.
They've been watching just cinder, So pre orders launch days
this Friday. So the most popular model, here's the interesting thing.

(27:30):
The most popular model is the seventeen pro Max. What
cost of living crisis. Obviously these people have given up
the features and they're buying cheap cuts of meat so
they can afford the seventeen Promax. So popular in the US.
You're not going to get yours until mid October. This
is the oldest trick in the book. This is the
Apple trick one to oh one. It's the oh I'll
tell you what. We're running out of Apple. It's incredible

(27:50):
the demand we've got when you only make three phones,
when you've got a queue of seven people, guess what
you can say. The Pro Max model starts at twenty
five hundred and forty nine dollars. You get two fifty
six gigs. You can pay as much as four thousand,
one hundred and forty nine. You do, of course, get
two terabytes, which, as I mentioned the other day, allows
you to I think it's four suburbs of Hamilton. If

(28:13):
you plug it into Hamilton, four suburbs will light up
with that sort of storage. They're starting to run out
of the early stocks of the base iPhone seventeen and
the seventeen Pro got old. We're starting to run out
apparently people put off by they're not put off by
the reports of low battery life and aless so the
Apple haven't done enough marketing to show it doesn't crack

(28:34):
any easier if you don't drop it.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
This is the air now that you're talking about it
who cares?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
So they're just phones made.

Speaker 19 (28:39):
The point of that information is that the air is
not apparently all sold out, even though it's the new product.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Oh I see. So what you're saying is people aren't
getting well. They're t too gripped by the top of
the line, aren't they.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
They don't want the skinny one.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
They don't want the skinny one, they want the top
of the line. They're up selling themselves, so they're not
peach buyers. So we can't afford peaches, and we can't
afford the cost of living, but we can afford the best,
most expensive phone on the market. How do you explain,
don't want to buy butter, can't buy Butter, but we
can buy the most expensive phone on the market. How

(29:14):
do you explain this idiocy?

Speaker 1 (29:17):
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Speaker 2 (29:26):
Be seven past seven, So new insight into our crime story.
Latest data shows jail sentences at record highs. We've got
seventy four hundred and fifteen people sentenced to prison in
the year to June, which is up fourteen percent. Robbery
led the way imprisonment rate there of sixty one percent. Meanwhile,
cannabis and meth possession charges their back back at twenty
nineteen levels. Steve Cullen, criminal lawyer, back with au Steve,
morning to you, good body. So we're either committing a

(29:49):
great deal more crime or the guidance from the government
to put them in jailers working.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Is it the latter, Well, we.

Speaker 12 (29:56):
Could speak a latter, so Ladder that could be contributing
to it. I'll tell you one thing that struck me.
I've been talking to one of your reporters, Jordan Done.
There's been a more than doubling of people violating their
em bail, and of course the judge's view will be
if you violate your bail, violate electronically monitored bail, then
you're not going to be set up for an electronically
monitored sentence. So people have been writing their own prescription

(30:18):
to go to prison. That could well be contributing to
it as well.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Indeed, what about the gang population. Is it full of gangs?
We had some gang stats the other day, I mean
huge numbers of people in gangs. So we're just essentially
we're locking up more people more often, aren't.

Speaker 12 (30:31):
We as we are? And that it seems that people
we're locking up are the ones that need to be
locked up.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
The discounting part, are you seeing any change in that?
In other words, with the law suggesting you can't discount
as much, would that lead to more people going behind bars?

Speaker 12 (30:46):
Well it has had an effect undoubtedly. Because we've got
mandatory reductions and the discounts available, judges aren't able to
perhaps be as benevolent the people as they want to be,
So yes, that is having an impact as well.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Overall, fifteen percent get a prison sentence, which strikes me.
We have a tremendous number of people who commit crime.
It's eighty five percent of people don't go to jail,
so hell of a lot of crime. Is there something
wrong with us?

Speaker 12 (31:16):
Well, it can be due to a wave of young
people coming through. It can also be due to social media.
It could be due to gang influences and drug influencers.
We'd need some sort of information about what's causing it.
But it's really worrying when you see such a large
proportion of people involved in illegal activity.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, we're going to need to build more prisons, aren't
we if we keep putting fourteen percent more in jail
each year, we're going to be full before we know it.

Speaker 12 (31:41):
That's right. I see one of the countries i'm sure
is now building a prison that's a floating island so
that people can't jump over the side and from back
to shore. Goodness knows. I hope we don't get to that.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
No, but we've got the politics versus the rehab story,
haven't we. The politics of this probably plays well to
middle New Zealand, doesn't it. I mean, there is a
sense that people want people put in jail for crime
that we don't want to deal with well.

Speaker 12 (32:04):
Aging population, everybody gets fearful. They want everybody locked up
to keep them away, so they all feel saints.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, all right, so appreciated its step. Callen criminal lawyer
with us this morning, coming up ten minutes past seven
and seemingly never ending battle over healthcare in this country.
Later stat show on average we were five hundred and
eighty seven nurses per shift short last year. This is
some infometrics work done for the Nurses Council now. Rob
Campbell is of course, the former Health New Zealand chair.
In his back with us, Rob morning, to you, you

(32:31):
can do a lot with numbers this morning. Yeah, you
can do a lot with numbers. Count you one point
sixty nine million shifts. So what does that mean? I mean,
being five hundred and eighty seven short on average out
of one point sixty nine million shifts between twenty two
and twenty four. Is that a disaster? Is it a
bit short?

Speaker 16 (32:45):
Is it?

Speaker 12 (32:45):
What is it?

Speaker 18 (32:48):
It's more than a bit short. It's probably on its
own short of a disaster. But it's just something that
we've known. Everyone working in or around the health system
has known that a lot of shifts were short staffed
for nursing staff and other staff. So it's proving something
we knew and they're only having to prove it because
the management and politicians have been denying something that we

(33:09):
all knew was true.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
So it went from six point eighty four on average
down to five eight seven. So is the changes announced
and more nurses being employed. Is that slowly but surely
improving the scenario?

Speaker 18 (33:21):
I think it's been in blocks, Mike. There have been
some pretty big recruitment campaigns. There's also obviously some leakage
to Australia and out to the private sector, but there's
been I think a minor improvement, but the problem is
that the demand side is also increasing, so you know,
this is a difficult issue for everyone involved. To me,

(33:44):
the issue here is, we know that's a big issue
for everyone involved. We know that staffing is a problem.
We've got to be able to deal with it openly
and honestly. And I think the thing that disturbs me
is not so much the numbers, because they were really known.
What disturbs me is that Health New Zealand ministersm mystry.
We're all trying to deny that this was happening when
we all knew it was true. It doesn't help.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Is it a dispute over numbers? In other words, they're saying, no,
these numbers are wrong and we're not short. Or is
it simply about money, Yes, we can employ hundreds more,
but we don't have the money to do it.

Speaker 18 (34:14):
Well, I think they obfuscate. At the end of the day,
these numbers within some range of being accurate at this time,
because of course they look back historically. So there is
a problem. The first thing you've got to do is
to admit there's a problem and then sit down and
work out what the solutions are At the moment. What
the nurses and others have had to face is people

(34:34):
saying there's not a problem, you're wrong and they knew
they went wrong, and now everybody knows they weren't wrong.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
And the other part of the question, even if we
did have the money, is there, is there the supply
there or do we have to tap the international market
or if we tap the international market to exhaustion.

Speaker 18 (34:49):
I think we know we haven't tapped it to exhaustion.
But it's also not a long run answer. That you
need to be able to plan these kinds of workforce things,
and so we do need more train of these sorts
of skills and we need to be able to offer
secure employment to those people. So it's a long term issue.
This is not something that's going to go away by

(35:10):
employing a few hundred more nurses in one block. It's
an ongoing issue that we've got to address openly.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Good Insight. Rob Prescure at Rob Campbell, who is the
former chair of Health New Zealand thirteen minutes past seven
past the media's re launch of Chippy. This is quite funny,
the media's relaunch of Chippy, And I'll come to the
poll in the moment. The media's relaunch of Chippy off
the back of the snail pace economic recovery makes me
vomit in my mouth. It's a little bit exaggerated, Warren,

(35:36):
isn't it? Nowhere is it placed in these media reports.
The absolute fact, the known failure is fake news that
Chippy either presided over or was complicit to. This coming
election is defining for New Zealand. If Facebook sound by
voters come off the picket lines will take a break
from their handlooing and chain shackling to vote, we have
a problem. Charlotte and chipping is mostly in competent cohorts

(35:57):
will consign New Zealand to economic purgatory. To be fair,
I think there is a sin that the last government
were responsible for the plight were.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
In or is there?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
And that's where yesterday's poll makes for fascinating reading. More
on a moment fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
by News Talks that.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Be Mike, unions are the problem for the nurses once again,
I tend to agree that was a classic one of
those union hires and an economists to crunch some numbers.
I mean, isn't every workplace shorter people on any given day?
And if you look at all the hospitals and all
the units and all the wards all around the country
on even get a day, and all the people who
ring and sick, you're going to be short, aren't you mean?
This place will be short today. I don't know who
hasn't turned up yet, but there will be short today.

(36:39):
We're not hiring brad Olsen to come up with numbers
and tell us how miserable the whole thing is. We
get on with life. Seventeen past seven. So here's an
insight along with some good news. New numbers out of
the country's creative sector shows it's our fourth largest export industry.
It's worth thirteen billion, supporting one hundred thousand jobs. Also
made more productive than It's also more productive than agriculture.
Apparently there's a claim. Claire Robinson's the CEO of the

(37:01):
Workforce Development Council and as well as clear Morning Morning, Mike,
you change jobs?

Speaker 12 (37:08):
I did? I did.

Speaker 20 (37:09):
I joined a the toy my Workforce Development Council four
years ago to lead it. Unfortunately, we're being established at
the end of the years that I'll be back to
political commentating in no time.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Oh okay, well has it worked out? Well, that's been
a nice job. While has lasted, it's been great.

Speaker 20 (37:26):
We've had such a great time. We've done such a
lot and we've done some really amazing research. As the
ads you're talking about today.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yes, indeed creative. What's creative? I mean do you put
tech in there? I mean tech's huge, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (37:39):
Oh yeah, text huge by itself, But there are industries
that crossover. So you thinking about game development, post production, music,
technology design, So there's creative, creative tech, digital tech. It's
kind of all one big family. The problem is that
the New Zealand economy doesn't measure them specifically. So yeah, yeah,

(38:00):
you join them together.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
And you also need a voice because I mean, no
one's got a louder voice than the farmersn't good on
them and if you grow key we fruit or grapes,
everyone knows what's going on there. But I mean you
need a voice for the sector because it's booming, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (38:12):
It's booming.

Speaker 12 (38:13):
It's booming.

Speaker 20 (38:13):
So as you said, it's our fourth biggest commodity market,
so that export commodities tourism is bigger than this, but
it is bigger than It's bigger than wine, it's bigger
than fruit, it's bigger than seafood. Those are the industries
we still think are part of our economic narratives. But
actually we've got this other part of the country which
is smart, digital, creative, and it's just yeah, it doesn't

(38:37):
have a voice, it doesn't have a seat around the
cabinet table. We've got Paul Goldsmith, who's a pianist, who's
the Ministry of Arts and Culture inheritance, but he's not
supporting the industries.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
If we say, no, three point six billion in exports,
so it's good numbers. Is it a sophisticated industry in
terms of it has its act together and there's a
feed through program and kids are aware of it, and
it's got a pipeline and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 20 (39:01):
Well, I think this is one of the problems that
we've highlighted in our reports that we released yesterday. We've
got a pipeline going through, but it's broken in many places,
and there's a lot of investment going into education and
creative qualifications, but the industries themselves don't need the form
of qualification that's currently being invested in by the taxpayer.

(39:22):
So we've we've got ninety thousand people working creative jobs
and about one hundred and ten thousand people with creative
qualifications working outside creative industries. Now that's good for those
other industries because you know, it's good to have creativity.
But only fourteen percent of the people in creative industry
jobs have qualifications. So there's something going wrong in the

(39:43):
system that doesn't enable people to get qualified to get
jobs in those industries.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Well, that's no good. We'll need to follow this up. Clai,
appreciate your time for now. She's the CEO of the
Workforce Development Council Wison and it's already seven twenty one.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
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much Foski seven twenty four. Already now, if it's any
help to those to Nicola Willis's office. There is a
decent piece of ready yesterday about whether Israel was heading
towards a South Africa moment. A further in an interview

(41:07):
this week, Netnyah, who seems to accept that some sort
of isolation was the price's country was and is paying
for as a result of this particular war, but none
of that. None of that has been brought about by
people chaining themselves to door handles, nor would the cause
have been advanced in any way, shape or form by
a nicola taking communion with them, nor indeed by the
march that wandered through parts of Auckland over the weekend.

(41:28):
What has led the war to this point is several foults. Firstly,
Hamas started. This is an indisputable fact. The raid of
two years ago was entirely on them. What happened next
has happened numerous times in one form or another. Hamas
starts at Israel respond that responded the way they have
this time once again for a couple of reasons. One
it was particularly brazen attack, and two America has a

(41:49):
president that doesn't mind the sort of retaliation that's taken place.
Never before have we seen drawings of a new Middle
East with millions of gardens living in a trump lightful
Iridian utopia. Now it is fair to suggest events of
the last few days, i e. The attack and guitar
has pushed the Americans to the limit of not beyond.
But you will note that Rubio is currently in the
Middle East and still shaking hands with Net and Yahoo

(42:10):
and still happy to be seen in the photo. Meantime,
back here, nuns are chained, door handles, people away, flags,
and the angst and the media over whether we will
recognize Palestine next month in New York is palpable. But
to reiterate, at no point do any of our actions
make a jot of difference, And once this particular chapter
is over, in whatever form that takes, we will go
back to a relative stable period of coexistence until someone

(42:34):
does something stupid all over again, which of course they will.
This story has been told many, many, many, many many
times over. When hate drives the narrative, nothing ever really changes.
Asking nurses late twenty twenty four, Friend and Dunedin told
us they normally employ approximately fifteen fifty newly trained nurses annually,
but a KAPA twenty five has been applied. Why are

(42:55):
these young folks being trained? They're not given a job
when the country is short of nurses. It's quite simple.
It's no money. They haven't got money. Why they don't
come out and just say, look, we've got no money
and that solve their problem. The other thing, it's an
interesting point you make. It's the psychology of work. Traditionally
nurses into training with the view to getting a job.
In other words, if you train, you will get work,
which is true, it's just a more global equation these

(43:18):
days than it is a local one. So in other words,
if you train locallynails and nurse, you may or may
not get a job, but you will get one internationally.
So it's just that mindset that if I train, do
I automatically get work doesn't apply to many jobs in life.
A lot of people go to university or to training,
or to tech or whatever with no guarantee of work.
And so this idea that if I'm a nurse, I

(43:39):
therefore deserve to be instantly employed probably needed to change anyway.
But in a country that literally has no money, you
can't just keep employing people for the sake of employing.
We spend inordinate amounts of money in this country. Thirty
billion dollars we spend on health in this country. How
much more do you want? And there is a very
good and I think one of the best points lux
is made in this time is this country, is that

(44:01):
it's not the money the amount, it's how it's spent.
You cannot tell me we spend the amount of money
we do on health and yet somehow magically we still
need more aviation. James Meagher, head Pilot, had a look
at this yesterday. Is with us shortly, Zarnie.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
It's your source of freaking news, challenging opinion and honors facts.
The Mike Hosking breakfast with Rainthrover, leading by example news,
togs dead be with the new.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Black Caps coach Rob Walter side to name the Chapel Headley.
Thing's gone TE twenty because no one's interested in one
day cricket anymore. It's you see a pattern here, no
one's interested in test cricket, so they go to one day.
No one's interested in one day, so to go to
T twenty. What do we do when no one's interested
in T twenty anyway, that's shortly twenty three minutes away
from aviation thirty million for originally Allies told you about

(44:51):
that the other day. Of course, now we've got the
Big Aviation Action Plan twenty five areas to grow in
future proof the sector, reducing certification waiting times, expanding drone use,
boost in regional airlines, making wide a use of a
hockey at airbase. James Mega is the Associate Minister of Transportant.
This is back with this James Morning, Morning Mike. Is
this a fix, a revolution or a bit of a prod.

Speaker 19 (45:10):
I think it's somewhere in between the three. If that's
a thing, it'll fix some issues, but it also a
little bit future looking about advanced aviation. How do we
get better use out of drones. How do we make
use of our brilliant innovators to make sure we grow
and have a really successful aviation sector. So it's a
little mix of the three.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
You were concerned about all you've been told to be
concerned about the rising cost of doing business in New Zealand.
Does this change any of that.

Speaker 19 (45:35):
There is a section in there around actions that the
government and industry can take to look at costs and all,
of course all those costs get passed on through the
airlines through to customers, so there's a costs piece in there.
There's a review of CAAA, how it's funded, and there's
also a review of airways levies too, So there is
a part in there when you look at the certification rules.

(45:55):
If we can make things certified more quickly, that's going
to reduce costs on operators and eventually that will flow
through the consumers as well.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Okay, the workforce and retention of pilots, will things change materially.
What's the whold up with pilots that people don't want
to be a pilot? Is it too expensive? Is what's
going on again?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
It's a mix of both.

Speaker 19 (46:14):
It is quite expensive to be a pilots about a
hundred thousand dollars to train. It takes slightly longer to
train here in New Zealand and say some of our
comparable jurisdictions overseas. So we're going to look at how
do they train their pilots. Is there anything we can
do to change our qualification framework to make it easier
and faster to train maintaining safety. That means those pilots
can get out in the workforce, pay off your loan

(46:34):
more quickly, and have the opportunity to work.

Speaker 18 (46:36):
So that's part of it.

Speaker 19 (46:36):
There's also engineers other service delivery aspects as well.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Is there a loan cap somebody told me this morning
there's a loan cap on training to be a pilot.
Is that true?

Speaker 11 (46:44):
Yeah, there is.

Speaker 19 (46:45):
It was put in place I think over a decade ago,
and it reflected the fact that there was a large
cost furden on barring to the commercial pilot, and there
are statistics that showed that it took quite a while
for those loans to be paid back. Hasn't changed in
a few years, and the industry has called for that
to be looked at, and that is part of the
action plan.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
But are we looking or are we doing or realistically.

Speaker 19 (47:09):
That as a financial cost and there's always trade offs
when you've got those financial costs. If we can amend
the way that the training is delivered and train more
pilots here and think those training pilots into the workforce,
they can pay down their loans more quickly.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
It's in the mix.

Speaker 19 (47:22):
It's probably not the solution to the overall problem though.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Okay, oh, harky, what's that about being open for business
twenty four seven? Was that not available to us anyway?
I mean, what's it doing? When do they close it
like five o'clock or something.

Speaker 19 (47:33):
Well, it's primarily a defense for space, but every airline
that comes into the country has to have a backup
or a sort of an alternative runway. In case say Auckland,
the airport is close. Now, the wide body aircraft such
as like the likes of Qatar Airways would like to
use O'haky as a backup because it's not available twenty
four seven, and because a lot of their flights come
in so early hours of the morning, they couldn't use that.

(47:56):
Therefore they had to go down to christ Church, which
meant they had to.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Reduce the size of their planes hopeless.

Speaker 19 (48:00):
Yeah, and so we're looking at what can we do
to convert O'hakia to be available twenty four to seven.
That's really around air traffic control and accessibility to foreign
emergency services. It's a big opportunity because if we can
get more big white body planes in here, then we
can boost our tourism and gra our economy.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
In New Zealand. Will assess what it's needed or what
is needed for a fleet expansion, jet fuel demand and
electricity for next generation aircraft? Why is that included and
here given that they'd already do this anyway, wouldn't.

Speaker 19 (48:28):
They Well, were part of the Aviation Council, and I
think they wanted to emphasize the fact that they are
doing this work and they will continue to do this work.
It's one of their big challenges is how do they
get more planes, more parts and how do they make
sure that they've got a fleet that is fit for
future travel and that includes I guess electric aircraft at
some point. So it really was just a reinforce what

(48:49):
he engineer going to do.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Crab, do you honestly believe James is going to be electric?
I mean, short of a four person plane that can
fly from Auckland to Corrimandul, maybe no one's flying to
London on an electric plane.

Speaker 19 (49:01):
Yeah, so I mean in nineteen oh three when Richard
Pierce first flew down into Murger, I think no one
really thought that the planet are up in.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
There in the first place. So look, time will tell, and.

Speaker 19 (49:09):
If it only ends up being that it's something that
we ship freight on, or if that it's uncrudey aircraft,
and so be it. But it's worth looking into. And
they are trialing a few flights across the cook Straight
at the moment for freight purposes, so it's something that's
in the mixt But I think realistically the future of
aviation over the next couple of decades is going to
be better, faster, quieter and more sustainable aircraft.

Speaker 12 (49:30):
So that's probably Jipfield.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
All right, mate, nice to talk to you appreciate it
very much, James Meger. I like the cut of his gyven.
It's not just because he's from Canterbury, Associate Minister of Transport.
I mean, I don't necessarily agree with this, and I
don't know that anything's necessarily going to come of it.
I hope it is, but he seems to be on
top of his portfolio. It did remind me of the
story very sof but got angry with me. He was
many years ago. He was shipped off with Air New
Zealand to Hawaii because of a looking at nut oil.

(49:53):
I remember the famous nut oil story. And Near New
Zealand is going to start flying planes on the nut oil,
and so they needed to fly Barrier along with the
whole cacophony of other journalists, to go look at some plantation,
a few palm trees and write some stories about the nuttile.
Where's the nut oil? Hey, where's the nut oil? Right here?
Was that teen years ago? Fifteen years ago I said,
a berries on a junket, and he goes, it's not

(50:13):
a junket. There's absolutely not a junket. Where's the nut oil?
He ain't, no, and flying on nut oil seventeen to eight.

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Speaker 2 (50:29):
Did I tell you or did I tell you? I've
been telling you for the last couple of weeks. This this,
this polling thing, it adds up to nothing. As long
as the Murray Party aren't going to be part of
the government. Of the Murray Party, you're not going to
be part of the government under labor. And even Chris
Hopkins worked that one out yesterday when angry John John
Tammaherry joined the Fairest Party and said, basically, he's right.
These people don't want to bet. They're not cooperative, they're
not interested. Asked Shannon Helbert. He had some interesting things

(50:52):
to say yesterday about the Murray Party. We'll talk to
Ginny about that later on. But the problem is they
don't want to be part of government. And the only
way they would ever be part of government is the
most outrageous requests and demands, and they're never going to
be met. So suddenly the polling is not what it
is because the polling companies, of course add these things together.
There go center left, center right as a block. There
is a center right block, and that's called the government.

(51:13):
There isn't a center left block. We've never had a
center left block like this, never, and we're not going
to have one. But here's the problem for the government.
This polling of this was interesting polling yesterday, and to
say it surprised me is probably overstating the case. But
I went, hmmm, so who do you blame for the
state of play?

Speaker 21 (51:31):
Now?

Speaker 2 (51:31):
People who listen to this program, unquestionably would come up
with a number. I reckon it be eighty twenty. They
blamed the previous government, and they blamed the previous government
for an economic state, because it's a fact they buggered
the place, Adrian or Chris Hopkins, Jasindra Adern, Grant Robertson,
they stuffed the place and we're still paying the price
for that. So that would be the score of the

(51:53):
audience of this program. But if you do it around
the rest of the country, thirty seven percent blame the
current government and thirty one percent blame the previous government.
Now argue that all you want and go, well, what
are they thick? Yes, clearly thick as a post. But
there's still voters, and every vote, no matter how thick,
gets a vote. Twenty four percent blame both equally. I

(52:13):
could go down the twenty four percent route myself to
the extent that you know my rule, my rules. You
get one term, do whatever you want, so whatever you want,
but that's it. After that you no longer blame the
previous administration. So these guys have got about eighteen about
twelve months left until we go to the election, and
they've got to be able to go we did this,
this and this, here's the fruit, here's the fruition. Here

(52:34):
are the good times rolling re elect us. So I
could go down, but they haven't been as good as
they could have been. They haven't been as effective as
they could have been, haven't been as balls to the
wall as they could have been. So I could be
in that twenty four percent and say, you know what
a little bit of it. We're not as far ahead
as we should be because these guys didn't go at
it as hard as they could. So I could be

(52:56):
in that twenty four percent. But there is no question
in my mind that the bulk of the trouble in
this country is directly at the feet of the dune
Robertson Hipkins et al. And But you can't argue with
those numbers. If this is where this government's in trouble,
if genuinely a large portion of people go to the

(53:16):
election next year and go it is this lot's fault
and they had three years and they didn't fix it.
Therefore they didn't know what they were doing. They lose.
You won't be able to get a grab a seat
from me in New Zealand to Australia eleven away.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
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Speaker 2 (53:36):
They'd be by the away from make cricket seasons Here
Australia arrive in a couple of weeks for the Chapel Hadley,
both sides naming the squads and the series marks twenty
years since the first ever T twenty international between the two.
Can you believe it's twenty years? Anyway? Rob Walter's the
black Caps coach and he's with us. Rob morning, What
do you, Mike? How are you very well? Indeed, how's
the job so far?

Speaker 22 (53:55):
It's been saying to he as been awesome? So are
very short in the you know, in the trip, but
it's it's been great so far.

Speaker 11 (54:01):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Is it everything you thought it would be thus far?

Speaker 12 (54:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (54:04):
I guess obviously being fortunate to have you been in
the system for a fair bit beforehand, you've got to
have a sense of how everything operates. But great to
have the feet in the shoes now and really be
part of it.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
What do you make of this Chapel Haadley T twenty thing?
Is this just the sign of the times?

Speaker 19 (54:18):
That is what it is?

Speaker 22 (54:20):
Yeah, I mean obviously you got back twenty years. You
know the first one is a bit of an exhibition
really and you look, our father game has come now.
So look, any competition between Australia and New Zealand is massive,
So the Chapel Hadley, I knows is important to the
guys irrespective of the format.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Now, we haven't won the Chapel Hadley since twenty sixteen,
so if we lose it again, do we call for
your sacking?

Speaker 22 (54:43):
Rob's that's the way the world works. It could be
the case, but look, hoping for a different result and
you know, suddenly get our names on that troops will
be important.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
See how does it affect your selections? By the way,
and the T twenty thing, do you do you have
a different mind and sit now for the Chapel Headley
than you might have done at one stage.

Speaker 22 (55:03):
No, obviously that you know this is all part of
the build up to the T twenty World Cup next
year as well, so missing a couple of players for
various reasons, but you know, all of it is you're
scared towards that. But in the same breath, you know,
ultra competitive series and always competitive against Australia. So we're
sort of taking one series on game at a time,
but with an eye on what's happening in the future

(55:24):
next year.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Do you like tea Twitter? I still see it as
an element of crap. Shoot, you know, so weird things
can happen on weird days.

Speaker 22 (55:33):
Look, it certainly is unpredictable, that's for sure, and brings
teams together. But the game is advanced massively and you know,
the stats and the work behind the scenes to play
the game, well, this has grown massively and the skill
sets of the players as you see it has gone huge.
So you know, we had our first three hundred score
and tail one teams just the other day safety against England.

(55:53):
So the game is moving quickly and we sort of
have to move with it and our skills with it.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yet, well, kids come through, who do you reckon in
future years that will have played nothing but T twenty
that will be their entire existence in the sport.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
It is possible.

Speaker 22 (56:07):
I hope it doesn't doesn't turn out to be the case,
and it's still the purist of the game, so I
still believe all three formats of the place, So I
hope that stays the same.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
The Bay OVAL's beautiful, though, wasn't it.

Speaker 22 (56:19):
That's a nice place, wonderful, wonderful cricket ground, great place
to play cricket and obviously the support for the game
there is.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Good and will be in the school holidays.

Speaker 22 (56:27):
We're looking for a great look forward to a great turner.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Have we got that about right? In this country? We
tend to fab you know. You look at the christ
Church Field, you look at the Bay Oval, Queenstown Central.
You know, there's there's certain places where cricket looks good,
the crowd looks good, it's the right size, it just
sort of vibes nicely.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Absolutely.

Speaker 22 (56:45):
I think New Zealand has got some of the most
spectacular cricket grounds and wonderful traditional cricket grounds as well,
you know, so that cases for for a smaller ground
given our population, you know, so you can get really
close to the action and really feel part of it,
which is awesome.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
You're nervous by the way you and first all that stuff.

Speaker 22 (57:04):
Nah, certainly not. No, There'll be times along the way
that I will be, but it's just a joy.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, good on you go well. Rob Walter, the black
Caps coach T twenty at the Yeah, I'm not sold
on T twenty to be frank, five minutes away from eight.
I like a game of skill, you know, one day.
One day struck me as just just about right. You know,
five days. Who's got time for five days? That's just crazy.
I mean, as a snooker fan, I fully understand that
people look at Snooper and going, oh my god, how

(57:30):
tedious is this? And I fully get that. So you've
got to be in the weeds. So that's that's test
cricket for you. But the one day struck me is
there's enough there for the genuine skill to come through
T twenty. It's like I could play T twenty and
you know I'd be brilliant, then I'd be useless. Zuckerberg
yesterday said people without smart glasses may one day be
at a significant cognitive disadvantage. You reckon. That's true. I

(57:53):
think he's an idiot. But he's relaunching the glasses. That happened.
None of the glasses have really worked, so he's relaunched
some more glasses. So now he's making you feel bad
about yourself. That's his latest marketing campaign. Like you if
you haven't got these glasses, Yeah, you look a bit
thick on my word, look at that guy without the glasses.

Speaker 22 (58:13):
And if we don't have broccoli here, like him as well?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Yeah, exactly, because I'm looking at a photo of him
and he looks incredible in a set of smart glasses.
No one rocks a set of smart glass better than
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fictive hard rockers. Anyway, This is a soundtrack to the

(59:24):
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(59:47):
thirteen of these tracks and they total thirty seven minutes
and twenty nine seconds of Spinal Tap. A man as
past a Politics Wednesday, Jinny Anderson's will Us and Mark
Mitchell both good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (01:00:00):
Good morning Mike, Good morning Ginny.

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
Mike.

Speaker 24 (01:00:01):
Can I oset Government House yesterday for an amazing investiture ceremony.
We get to acknowledge an incredible key. We was doing
incredible things you are in your day. No, we no,
we didn't get to the lawn yesterday, but we had,
but was there for a really good friend of ours,
our newest name, Dame Julie Chapman and her husband Kane.

(01:00:22):
They have twelve cats, two dogs, goats, a cow that
I referred to as Hamburger, and a sparrow. She has
got and of course, she's the founder of Kids Can
and Pitt Refuge. I won't go into the heartbreaking cases
that Pitt Refuge have to deal with almost on a
daily basis, but a huge shout out to her and
all our other recipients.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Did he take all her animals to government House or
was that not part of the ind No, it would have.

Speaker 13 (01:00:45):
Been female do little turning up to a government house
good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Well, I'm glad, I'm glad you had a I take it.
This was an Auckland as opposed to Wellington and Wellington.

Speaker 13 (01:00:54):
Oppost so this was Wellington year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I think of the two government houses, how many government
houses have you been to Ginny?

Speaker 21 (01:01:02):
Just the main one in Wellington?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
You haven't been to the Auckland one. Very nice, but
it's not as nice.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Have you been to the Auckland one? Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:01:11):
I was at the Auckland one last week for a
new program that's been launched by Active to get to
young kids that don't have access to sport and rick
and then I was there about a month before that
with Dame Cindi Kiro, who helped me get a Peace
and Harmony Agreement accord signed between our Jewish and wis
and leaders to say that we can agree to disagree,
but we're going to do that in a peaceful, intolerant way.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Would you say the Wellington one's better, I would say
the Wellington one's better.

Speaker 24 (01:01:35):
Yeah, the Wellington one is much bigger. It's a lot
bigger than the Auckland one. Beautiful, but you know they're
both beautifully kept in it and it does act.

Speaker 13 (01:01:43):
It does add to that. You know, you feel like
you're there for a special occasion.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I was almost I almost bought a house next door
to Government House in Auckland and my rationale for that
was it would never get built out, and I thought
I'd sort of regret that now because I mean it
could be high rises under the new Unitary Plan, couldn't it.
But going in government how you'd have to think would
be there forever.

Speaker 24 (01:02:02):
I think, well, yeah, I don't think we need to
keep both government houses. I mean they've they get used
a lot, and like I said, having those when you
go to an vistas Ceramide like I did yesterday, a lot.
Every single one of those persons people receiving their award,
they don't ask for it, but it's nice for us
as a country to be able to have a formal
way of being able to recognize them and the work
they've done for us as a country.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Ginny, has anyone ever chained themselves to your office?

Speaker 21 (01:02:29):
Chris Breshop took a media crew out front and I
chased him down the street and that made TV. That
was quite exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Did you did you look good when you ran?

Speaker 16 (01:02:40):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:02:40):
He ran.

Speaker 21 (01:02:41):
I just kind of stood next to him and said
do you want to be in a photo with me?
And he said no, only ran away and they got
turned into a meme on Twitter that was that was
quite quite good. I think it's still doing the rounds.
But he didn't change himself when he was doing a
story outside my office.

Speaker 24 (01:02:55):
Well, in all fairness, there's probably a few people that
would run away from having a photo with the Gindy
Z can't be too tough.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
That's rather made.

Speaker 21 (01:03:06):
This's not very gentlemanly of you at all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
There's something that happens to you, guys, in terms of
like the billboard, the Act billboard that was shot up
over the weekend. There's something sort of people go feral
once you become a public figure, you know, and you're
publicly accountable, don't they I mean, you know, chaining yourself
and gluing yourself and shooting up billboards. There's something weird
about this country at the moment, don't you think?

Speaker 21 (01:03:29):
You and I think things are becoming more extreme, that
something's changed. You know, you do see these things happening,
not just in New Zealand but overseas as well, that
people's reactions are becoming more extreme. I think that is
a real concern for democracy because it puts it risk
that ability to connect with politicians and talk to them,
and that's what we should be able to do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Couldn't agree more.

Speaker 13 (01:03:50):
I just think that I've always stood by this.

Speaker 24 (01:03:53):
There's one lesson I've taken through life is at the
minute you stop talking and communicating, then it's going to
end up one place, and that is violence.

Speaker 13 (01:03:59):
And that's boy.

Speaker 24 (01:04:00):
It's so critically important that in our country were able
to protect the rightful the right to peaceful protest and
the freedom of speech because we just got to keep talking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Let me come back to that in just a couple
of months, because I've got a question about the bridge
for the police and New Mark. But Shannon Helbert, Jenny,
do you agree with Shannon Helbert the murray party are
starting to create an exclusive bunch of Maury. Is that true?

Speaker 12 (01:04:20):
Is that fair?

Speaker 7 (01:04:22):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:04:22):
I think it was in relation to to wiki or
tell Maori, and I think it was in relation to
the fact they were only giving media interviews interell Maori.
And I feel like Shannon's point that to wicked or
TiAl Maori should be for everybody to court it all
intereal Maori, no matter how much Malori language you can say.
So I support in the sense that if you can

(01:04:43):
speak a bit, you can speak a lot, it should
be for everyone to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, and what are you going to do about Tamaheri
and Ferris?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
I mean, this whole thing's turned feral, isn't it. I
mean I told you, I mean you're never going to
be able to deal with these clowns.

Speaker 21 (01:04:56):
Well, I stand by what we've said in the past
that that there is no a place for comments like that,
that we do not agree with them at all. And
it just seems a bit more confused because you've had
You've had the leadership come out saying they can dem
Tuckety's comments, and now it seems to be a different position.
But our position hasn't changed. It's the fact that those
comments have no place in New Zealand. We don't agree

(01:05:19):
with them. We think that it's a place for everybody
and you should be able to campaign no matter what
color your skin or ethnicity.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Got to take a brief break more in a moment,
Mark Mitchell, Jinny Anderson thirteen Past the Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
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It be U Talks. It'll be seventeen past Day Politics Wednesday,
Jenny Anderson, Mark Mitchell. Trump's literally just arrived by the
way in the UK and they just rolled the steps
up to Air Force one. Mark real quick. On the
bridge the protest over the weekend, We're being told the
police called it. In other words, they called the closing
down of the bridge. End ZTA apparently didn't. I don't
know whether it's true or not, but here's my simple question.

(01:05:55):
Who calls that a bridge gets closed or not? Who
literally does that?

Speaker 13 (01:06:00):
Do you know well that the NJDA have the powers
to do that?

Speaker 24 (01:06:03):
From what I understand, they didn't have the requests from
the organizers, had not been protest and not been processed
in time. My own personal view of this is that
Harvard bridges should not be getting closed. There are plenty
of places to go and have a peaceful protest. We
are not going to interrupt members of the public there
and cause inconvenience and members of the public that are

(01:06:24):
trying to go about their daily business crossing the Harbor Bridge,
and my view is dangerous. You could end up with sittings.
It's not a controllable situation. You're a long way above
the water. If someone goes over the edge, they die,
and so you know, I'm dead set against having the
Harborbridge closed at all.

Speaker 13 (01:06:39):
Just really quickly, Mike, you just allow me.

Speaker 24 (01:06:41):
As Minister for Ethic Communities, I completely totally condemn what
the comments coming out of to Party Mary Party. I
don't think they're all joined up on that messching. But
we live in one of the strongest open democracies in
the world and anyone regardless of when you arrived in
New Zealand, what your faith is, what your ethnicity is,
you have got the right to be able to join
and apply to join your political party and get out

(01:07:03):
there and campaign and also use your right to vote,
depending on you know, whether it's a general election, a
local election or you know, a Mary seats election, and
I just think that the messaging is awful and Labor
Party can come out condemn them, but ultimately they should
be saying we will not go into government, we will
not work with a party that holds views like this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
See and that's your problem, isn't Jinny? I mean, you know,
you try and distance yourself, but at the end of
the day, you're gonna this is going to be your
headache next year, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:07:33):
Well, there's there's still a lot to happen before that
point in time, but it's been pretty clear from us
and from our leadership that we are we're not prepared
to work with those points of view. So so that
is that is something that will have to be addressed
at some point. But it does seem that they are
a little bit confused in terms of the messaging.

Speaker 13 (01:07:54):
So you've clearly discounted them. Then as a future coalition.

Speaker 20 (01:07:57):
Partner, Well have you Mark?

Speaker 21 (01:07:59):
Would you like to do that as well?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Absolutely run a mile from decision.

Speaker 13 (01:08:06):
Will you discover them? You discover them?

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I said, I'm sorry, and.

Speaker 13 (01:08:12):
This and this and this is the and this is
the problem. This is the problem that you've got.

Speaker 6 (01:08:15):
Is that?

Speaker 16 (01:08:16):
Is it?

Speaker 24 (01:08:17):
Number one, and National actually has got a history of
working very well with to party Mary. We did a
lot with them when Tory, Anaturia and t Flavel were leaders.
And but you know, you've now got a party Mary
Party that are coming out and attacking our ethnic communities,
and you've got a Labor party that say, oh, well,
maybe we need to keep our options over.

Speaker 13 (01:08:35):
We might still go into government with them.

Speaker 21 (01:08:37):
We similarly, National have got a significant problem with climate
change in the Paris Agreement with act A, National saying
quite different things that have a huge impact on our
trade and our farmers and their ability to export. How
National are going to work with act when they have
completely opposing points of view on them?

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
The problem is the problem is that that we know that.
So I mean they've got those three together. They some
tensions periodically. That's a coalition, we understand it. It's got
a working model. What we don't have as a working
model of the left. And the more weird the Mari
Party get, the more difficult it is for people to
see a working model of the left. I mean, that's
the problem for you, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:09:14):
Well, I think as we get closer to the election,
there's a very strong like clihood, you'll see either New
Zealand First or or the Act Party in a similar position.
Is we get closer, we know they kick off and
you could see a very similar situation with right, just
real quick.

Speaker 24 (01:09:28):
That's that's that's our democracy and parties will get to
run on in campaign on what their policies are. But
the one thing I would say, we've proven to be
a very stable government where we can agree to disagree,
but we can advance the country's interesting.

Speaker 21 (01:09:39):
And very would strongly disagree with that. I think New
Zealanders would strongly disagree with the more. In fact, you've
got too small well you talk about let me you've
got too smaller parties.

Speaker 13 (01:09:54):
You only ever condemn a party that's out there taking
now if.

Speaker 21 (01:09:56):
I'd like to finish, if I'd like to finish, please
just quick. You've got you've got two smaller parties with
Winston Peters and David seymore completely running rings around Christopher.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
But that's a political perception and you're right. But here's
here's the problem. At the end of the day, it's
a coalition that will hold for three years. It's worked
reasonably well together. You may not like their politics and
that's fine, you don't have to. But as a grouping
they've worked pretty well together. I mean, that's for the
voter to see, and we can see that. But what
we don't see is the possibility of the three on
the left doing the same thing.

Speaker 24 (01:10:27):
Well, you've got the Dreams that want to defund the police,
you've got the Greens at want to defund the police,
and you've got their other partner who they were, who
they weren't rejected, say we won't going to go saying
that attacking ethnic communities.

Speaker 13 (01:10:37):
How is that good for the country.

Speaker 21 (01:10:39):
We've been very clear, Mark and I have been clear
that that is not acceptable, and we've said strongly that.

Speaker 13 (01:10:44):
There is you're going to government with them to not acceptable,
But you're going to government.

Speaker 21 (01:10:48):
With them, so you aren't going to go if you're
making a joke yourself. To be honest, you know that
I don't make this. I really want to repeat yourself
again and again.

Speaker 13 (01:10:59):
Were the ethnic communities do not think this is a joke.

Speaker 24 (01:11:02):
They take it very seriously. And at the moment they've
got a Labour Party who's very keen to yet there
and condemn the comments, but won't say that they won't
go and in government.

Speaker 21 (01:11:11):
It's good to hear that you feel that strongly about
that much. But let me be very clear. We will
lay out exactly who we can and who we can't
work quit with ahead of election next year and that
will not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Be doing this and that is what it will make
it so interesting. Got to go, you guys appreciate it.
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Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Here's a problem with the skimming championships. They've been holding
the World Skimming Championships, the World Stone Skimming Championships. Now,
who among us have not done that? In our childhood,
I actually thought I was quite good. I was a
lefty and I still argue to this day that lefties
have a certain skill around skimming stunts.

Speaker 22 (01:13:35):
Anyway, it's a petty that you're, you know, poyssessed by
the devil.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
That's true. West Coast of Scotland, Easdale's where they hold it.
Twenty seven countries, twenty two hundred people, a lot of people.
Twenty two hundred people, twenty seven countries, that's almost Olympic size.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
What does be your best?

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
How many seven or eight?

Speaker 22 (01:13:52):
You reckon?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I don't reckon, I know seven eight, But then we
get there. That's pretty good. It got to distance. We
used to go on holiday to lakes in the South Island,
so you would get the flat water and The problem
was lake Methicine is something like that. But once you
got Lake Ider, I found it. But we went to
Lake Ider in winter and there was ice and stone
skims for pretty much everyon on the ice.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
But I don't think that counts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Didn't stop us anyway. But once you got past six
or seven, the distance of the stones, it became debatable.
And so I'd go ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, and my
sister would go, you're lying again, and I go, I
don't lie, and she goes, yes, you do, and then
there be a fight. Where was I?

Speaker 16 (01:14:29):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
At the World Stone Skimming Championships cheating, the offenders have
held up their hands and apologized. You choose your own stones.
Judges use a measuring device it's called the ring of truth,
to ensure that they're no bigger than three inches in diameter.
Each Competitors allowed three skims. Stones must bounce and listen

(01:14:50):
to how pathetic these rules are. Stones must bounce at
least twice before sinking.

Speaker 13 (01:14:56):
So is it just distance that we're going for?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
No, it's skims, But I mean the rule. I mean
that's I mean to enter you, I would have gone twelve.
It's got to skim twelve times or else you're not entering.
Then you wouldn't have two thousand, two hundred people, would you,
because most people can't do it that right. Anyway, these
people had got their stones and they'd shape them, they'd
drilled them, they'd reshape them, they'd manipulated.

Speaker 23 (01:15:17):
Go and join the Australian cricket team.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
A bunch of sheets twenty one away from.

Speaker 14 (01:15:21):
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Speaker 25 (01:15:32):
It's very interesting on the stone skinning. I'm fascinated and
that's the sort.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Of thing that makes the show number one NUS. You'll
be thinking to yourself, how on earth did this show
get successful? With There you go now listen, P and G.
Last time we talked, was it was brewing?

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Is it done well?

Speaker 25 (01:15:47):
It seems to be that the puck pack the Crocodile
treaty agreement. He's turning in a tech peck. The Prime
Minister ants in the Albanet is obviously very embarrassed. He
went up there talking up this deal with PNG saying
we're going to combine our military forces was all about

(01:16:10):
trying to fend off China. He was going to be
signed today and unfortunately the PNG cabinet a whole lot
of people skyped off and there's no Susan. But there
are now real concerns invoiced by the opposition and single
sages in the PNG who are saying, look, this could

(01:16:30):
have real constitutional problems for us. There are real problems
about the legal idea of having Australian forces in the
INNPNG operating in PG with some immunity from local laws,
and there are real concerns about this. I think this
has been rushed towards it. Prime Minister Maratha PNG has said,

(01:16:53):
oh yeah, look we'll We're still working on it now.
This was announced on the weekend by the Deputy Prime
Minister and the Prime Minister of Australia that was going
to be signed. It doesn't look like it's going to be.
And this is coming only three days after Vanihuatu rejected
a five hundred million dollar big from Australia for a

(01:17:17):
security agreement, clearly because of the Chinese influence in Daniawatu.
So this is mounting to be a real problem for
Anthony alban As in the question is is it actually
going to be signed and how long.

Speaker 13 (01:17:32):
Before it does?

Speaker 25 (01:17:33):
And the longer it goes on without being signed, the
longer and the more trouble there is in the p
in PNG it looks like it could even fall over.
So this is a really big problem for Australia in
its efforts to try and limit Chinese influence in the pace.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
What a mess watching early in the early hours of
our morning, this business of Trump standing there before he
took off the London the head of crack at John Lynes.
You know John Lynes. Is he a decent bloke?

Speaker 25 (01:18:00):
Yes, Look I've made light for many years. Look he's
doing a job for four corners on Trump's business affairs.
He took the opportunity to ask the questions. Trump reacted,
you know, and told him how he's going to damage
Australian relations. But in that he actually said, oh, you know,
I'm meeting your Prime minister. This is the first confirmation

(01:18:20):
that indication at all that the meeting is going to
take place. The Australian government has been very careful. Antony
Albinet's office been very careful not to say there will
be a meeting, because I think, as I said on Monday,
if they say there's going to be a meeting and
there's not, that'll be even worse than what's happening on TNG.
So you know, these are continuing problems are all related

(01:18:43):
on defense spending and Australian US relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Exactly does carbon emission's target today? The expectation is what
and politically how does it sit?

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Well?

Speaker 25 (01:18:53):
Look Chris Bowen as a missions minister, has he've really
tried to set the scene for an aggressive target. He
seems to be out of a step a bit with
what's happening around the world. People are starting to rain
in targets. He wants to push them out. We've seen

(01:19:14):
a very scary report on economic impact of six hundred
and ten boogion dollar cost to Australia if nothing is done.
But a lot of economists are saying this is a
dodgy modeling, that it's got full of gaps and it
goes through twenty ninety. So you know a lot of
it is going to be saying, well, hold on what

(01:19:35):
is going on here? So Chris baren trying to set
a very aggressive target, but already people saying, look, he's
probably basic and on some false assumptions. And also the government.
We found out yesterday from Treasury the government did not
ask for a range of targets, you know, it didn't say, oh, look,

(01:19:58):
you know, we want to resist between seventy five percent.
It just gave them one number. Interesting and that is
the number we're going to see today. So that's that's
a problem for Chris Bowen, how hard he goes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
On related matters. Andrew Hasty and has interview the other day,
and Susan lay and this is net zero and their
ongoing scrap and the coalition about you know what to
do about that?

Speaker 25 (01:20:20):
Is she?

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
And Troup?

Speaker 11 (01:20:21):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Is he building towards something leadership esque?

Speaker 25 (01:20:25):
I think so. I think that it may even be
broader than a leadership esque problem. I alluded in the
Weekend Australian to the fact that there are members of
the coalition seeingior members of the Coalition who are starting
to say that after the defeat of the Coalition, the

(01:20:49):
massive defeat at the last election, and the fact that
they're not seeming to change wanting to change their policies,
that there could be the time for the establishment of
the Conservative Party. Now I'm not going to say that's
necessarily going to happen, nor is there necessarily an imminent
threat to Susan Lee. But there is clearly and we

(01:21:12):
saw Centa Dott Dunman saying yesterday that there will be
a mass exodus from the Coalition front bench if Susan
Lee and adopts a net zero policy at all costs
by twenty fifty. The sort of get out phrase here
is at all costs. So Susan Lee can say, oh, well, look,

(01:21:36):
well we're going to adopt a twenty to fifty target,
but we're going to say you can't do it if
it means this. So there is still room for Susan
Lee to operate. But things are getting very bad over
this particular issue, and still ongoing problems on migration targets
and what's happening there. So I don't think Susan Leeds

(01:21:57):
bringing a big speech on the economy today try and
shift the debate. I think she's still in a lot
of troup.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Right and Sid dinnis ketchup next week. Appreciate it very much.
Dinner Shanahan out of Australia. The aforementioned Trump and the
Australian journalists if you missed it earlier.

Speaker 22 (01:22:11):
Appropriate President Frank that a president in office.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Should be engaged in so much bitter's activity.

Speaker 19 (01:22:17):
Well, I'm really not.

Speaker 6 (01:22:18):
My kids are running the business and you know at
the activity.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Where are you from.

Speaker 11 (01:22:22):
I'm from the Australian Broadcasting Operation.

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
Full corn and pro right the Australias. You're hurting Australia rates.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
In my opinion, you.

Speaker 6 (01:22:30):
Are hurting Australia very much right now.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
But they want to get along with me.

Speaker 6 (01:22:34):
You know, your your leader is coming over to see
me very so I'm going to tell them about you.
And you said a very bad tone.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
That's probably the worst part of it. I'm going to
tell them about you. It's like primary school fourteen to two, the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
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News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
It'd be Mike my brother did seventeen one time. Seventeen
is good. I didn't get to the it and it
was a fair question from Glenn. Is it distance or skips?
I'm assuming it's skips. I mean distance is pathetic. I
mean distance is throwing. Skipping is a skill. I would
have thought, by the way, from the United nations this morning.
This tells you the state of the world. Germany is

(01:23:14):
no longer in the top ten of the most innovative
nations in the world. Isn't it weird to think that Germany,
the home I would have argued the home of innovation
for most of my lifetime, is no longer in the
top ten countries most innovative in the world. Switzerland's number one,
and they've been number one for about ever. US is
up there. China's now moved into tenth place, bumped Germany
off one hundred and thirty nine Economy seventy eight indicators.

(01:23:35):
Are we anywhere?

Speaker 7 (01:23:35):
And now?

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Of course we're not ownership of patents all that sort
of stuff are and d growth set to slow this
year two point three percent from two point nine last year,
lowest since twenty ten. So people aren't that, you know,
flash on innovation anymore. But Switzerland's the best, China's growing
growing fast, and Germany ain't what it used to be?
Can we bump ourselves up if we got into the
smart glasses game?

Speaker 19 (01:23:55):
Do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
The New Zealand are very much He's National Act in
New Zealand first working together the thought of labor and
the rebels that are the Murray Party in the Greens
would be enough to make me move to Australia. Yep,
you say that every time, Carolyn, I mean not you personally,
but everyone says that every time. Don't they tell you
what if this happens, I'm moving to Australia. The funny
thing this last three years, it actually happened like it
used to be, everyone said they're going to Australia. Sadly,

(01:24:20):
this time it happened. Next year's election more important than
the last. That's probably true. New Zealand doern need to
pay more attention, take a good hard look at ourselves
to the nonsense and a visib rhetoric coming out of
the left that they get in New Zealand. Will definitely
not be the same, But Vincent, that's democracy, isn't it. No,
it won't be the same, and the Democratic Act will
have provided with something different that we allegedly seemingly chowse

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Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Robert de Niro dead at the age of eighty nine. Retired,
of course from acting in twenty eighteen. But what did
I say? Oh, for goodness some zero apologies Robert riefit
mass and Zeo apologies anyway, retired in nineteen or did he?
I'm always looking. That was a mistake. I should never

(01:26:13):
have said that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
If I'm going to retire, I should just slip quietly
away from acting.

Speaker 8 (01:26:18):
But I shouldn't be talking about it because I think
it draws too much attention in the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Keep the mystery alive. So are all the changes in
Hollywood there made to movement? You know the fact that
women now have a voice.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
It's going to be heard and they're going to raise
it louder and louder, I hope, because they've been pushed
aside for so long. And I'm very happy to see
what's going to be happening with women in terms of
leadership roles, you know, executive roles, acting roles.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
It's time, yes, an active but also a direct where
he got his biggest eco life.

Speaker 8 (01:26:50):
I'm always looking what's beyond or behind what I'm looking at.
And I also I love using my imagination. I exercise
that because that's what storytelling's about.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Loved Utah Sundance and all of that. Environmentalists for many,
many years. Of course, they tried not to hire him.
In the Butcher in the Sundance, they were des but
not to hire him. One of the directors said, look,
he's just another blonde kid from Melibu. Throw a stick
out a window. You hit six of them. But the
other bloke, who was quite established at the time, said
you got.

Speaker 12 (01:27:20):
To have him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Here's your man, and he was right back tomorrow from
six Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
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