Full Show Podcast: 18 February 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Price of Summit as Europe's grand Also our migration numbers
and how many of us are actially less in the country.
The pm on boot counts, retail crime investigations, the crooks
and blowing up the public service. Graham Norton back for
a catch up after a Catherine Field is in Christ's Central.
Rod Liddle joins us from the Mighty uk Hosky. So
we're underway for Tuesday morning, seven past six. Can I

(00:32):
join a couple of dots here? Firstly, congratulations to the
Public Service Commissioner Brian Wrote, who, in his first report,
after wandering the corridors of public service them for a
couple of weeks, has come back with the observation it's
not fit for purpose. I think I will repeat that
it's not fit for purpose. I think most of us
probably suspected that, and its further evidence that what the

(00:52):
government did last year and trimming numbers was well and
truly overdue. Not that losing your job as any fun
of course, But the cold hard truth of it is
government's especially left Lee, never think about that as they
fire up the hiring and bloke the place into sedagnation.
What Roach says as there are too many meetings and
that's a reason not to make a decision. So let
me ask you this, is it possible that part of
what the government is copying at the moment i e.

(01:13):
Too many announcements, not enough results, lies in part at
the feet of the public service. Do the government expect
that when they get a department to do something, they
actually think something is going to happen, and mainly from
Brian's reporting, it doesn't. Or how about this, Do the
public service hate the government and are determined to course hapoc?
Is the public service not neutral at all? They like
labor because labor hires lots of them, gives them all

(01:34):
pay rises, so they can make the right leaners look useless.
They can get labour back boost the unions, get more jobs,
more money, more morning teas, and it's back to the
good old days. This is not to say there aren't
excellent people who found everywhere, because there are, of course,
but the public service has a different sort of culture.
I remember I learned this when I worked for radio
in New Zealand many years ago. It's not like any
other radio operator I ever worked for. Next step, it's

(01:55):
one thing to observe. It's not fit for purpose. What
now it feels like a very big ship, and big
ships are hard to turn.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
News of the world in ninety second.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Now we're going to get to Catherine shortly find out
what Europe's deciding at their emergency summit while they ponder
Trump and Coy moving on.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
They have a big, powerful machine, you understand that.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
And they defeated Hitler, and they defeated Napoleon.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
You know, they've been fighting a long time, they've.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Done it before.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
But I think you'd like this.

Speaker 7 (02:26):
I think you would like to stub fight.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
S game out of Russia, seeing a way back in
from the cold. He's putting the knife and.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
If they're going to wheezl out some cunning ideas about
freezing the conflict while actually intending, as is their custom
nature and habit, to continue the war. So why should
we invite them at all?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
So Germany, they're worried about any of us and all
of this, but they've also got this week in what
may well be a defining moment in the democracy I've
come from.

Speaker 8 (02:51):
It is a Jewish heritage, so I'm really worried about
about the safety of my family.

Speaker 9 (02:57):
I don't want to believe that's twenty percent of German
copy is extremis.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
And that's why it's worth watching. A couple of things
in Britain they refer to the AfD. Of course, a
couple of things in Britain are one. They have an
Iranian hostage scenario. Craig and lindsay we're arrested last month,
pressures on star at a hustle. Anna, who's been a
hostage in Iran, knows how it all feels.

Speaker 10 (03:15):
I would have hoped that the Western governments would have
come up with a viable policy to counter Iran sausage
to pomacy. However, we kind of keep giving into it,
and it's just sad to see that another lovely couple
has become a victim of all of this.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
They might want to not go to Iran in the
first place. I just wonder if any when they booked
their ticket to Iran to just drive their motorcycle across
the countryside, whether they wonder to themselves there might be
better places to go and two are the forremuntion. Pm
as having a decent day, claiming victory of sorts of
the nags.

Speaker 11 (03:46):
I said that we would get two million extra appointments
done in the first year of the government, and I'm
really pleased that we've done that. We've hit the target,
and we've done it with seven months to spare.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
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This is doctor David sincleir Is from Harvard Parloured, an
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So after the age of thirty, nail growth drops off
by about half a percent per year. So if you're
cutting your nails more frequently than others, very good sign

(04:21):
that you're aging more slowly. It's news of the world
and good grooming. In ninety before, we got some growth
in Japan. Boy do we ever, Well, it's a third
or fourth I currt remember what happened. I think it's
third largest economy. Still, GDP grew zero point seven percent
quarter on quarter, and they also expanded a revis zero
point four percent of the previous quarter. So annualize you
got two point eight What did routers think it was?
What there was going to be? One came in at

(04:42):
two point eight. We'll take that. Eleven past six.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
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Speaker 2 (04:56):
Just give you an insight. We'll go to Castro and
we'll get into Europe. Aaron Darmon's back with us after
run seven o'clock this morning, But just to give you
an insight into what geopolitical upheaval does for some business.
Germany's Rent Group overnight they're up fifteen percent, shares Ryan
Metal nine point seven percent. They're people who make stuff
for war. Swedish defense manufacturer SAAB up fifteen percent overnight.

(05:16):
UK's BAE up seven percent. Unsettlement and disruption is good
for some Fourteen past six. Seek in the wood from
JMI Wealth for Andrew Klaherguru morning, Good morning, Mike. He's
run a bit of a rival with this good news.
Service sector expansior airy I reckon.

Speaker 12 (05:36):
It's been unusual to say this too, hasn't it, Because
the service sector is showing signs of life if we
use the measure of the Business New Zealand b and
Z ED monthly Survey of the service sector, which was
released yesterday, it is an expansionary territory reading it fifty
point four for January, so fifty is the cutoff for
the sector expanding on contracting, so it's there just a

(06:00):
it's up two point three points from December, so it
complements the manufacturing sector numbers which are also in expanisory
territory which we saw on which we've.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Got out on Friday.

Speaker 12 (06:10):
Now, the services sector the long term average is fifty
three point one, so at fifty point four, it's still
sort of a little bit weak on a relative basis,
but we will take it. Looking at the sub indexes
activity sales is at the highest level of Senate since
March twenty twenty three, the forward looking sort of New
Water's new business that's that's still quite static. So look

(06:32):
it's not it's not surging, but it's encouraging to see
the survey stabilize. Still a little weaker than global comparatives.
They're sitting at fifty two point two, but might you
take this with the manufacturing survey and it's a positive
signal for growth. The combined index the component index suggests recovery,
which is consistent with some of the data we're seeing.

(06:53):
As I said, it's not a broad based surge though.
The employment sub index still low at forty seven point
one one, which suggests there is still sort of contraction
in services sector employment. The authors of the survey are
suggesting this one's outcome is hinting, hinting, Isaiah a turning
point in the economy. Now Arbienz's up to the plate
this week. I don't know whether they this will come

(07:15):
into their comments or whether it happened too late, but
bit interesting to see if they mention it, particularly in
light of that a little bit of strength that we
saw in those selected prices into the food price index
at the end of last week.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Wet wait are you calling fifty yep? Okay? Migration, next
question for you is this a bottom? Is this as
bad as it gets?

Speaker 12 (07:36):
I think I think so on the annual basis, it's
still falling, But yeah, in the short term, I think
we can validly ask the question are we finding a base?
So just looking at the numbers, not permanent long term
migration for the month three hundred and ten. That's the
seasonally adjusted number that will get revised. The raw figures
roughly one thousand the previous month seasonal adjust to two

(07:58):
one hundred and forty. Above that, look at the annual numbers,
they're still falling because of course you've got numbers dropping
out the other side of twenty seven thousand, previous was
thirty thousand, three hundred and thirty one. But the key here, Mike,
is your arrivals one hundred and fifty six thousand, call it.
That's down thirty two percent, but departures one hundred and

(08:19):
twenty nine thousand, up twenty seven percent. So provisionally that
departure under the highest on records. So we're looking at
the lowest levels of migration since late.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Twenty twenty two.

Speaker 12 (08:30):
Remember it peaked it over one hundred and thirty five thousand.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
So the key here.

Speaker 12 (08:35):
Annual arrivals slowing, annual departures still hitting record high. So
there was a bit of speculation Mike that we could
see negative migration this year, but if you look at
those monthly numbers, they seem to be stabilizing and the
revision seem to be trending upwards. So you know, think
I think we are. I don't think we'll see a
negative a negative migration. Larger source of rivals excluding returning

(08:57):
key were China, Philippines in their quipments, and tourism is
looking more positive. Mic You got that visitor Levy Caman
in October doesn't seem to be impacting visit numbers yet.

Speaker 13 (09:06):
There should be a lag there.

Speaker 12 (09:08):
But we're running at fifteen percent of pre COVID numbers,
so it's slowly getting better.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Thank But good lord, what are the numbers? The numbers now?

Speaker 12 (09:17):
The US market not trading because it's President's Day. But
if I look at the futures markets which are still
trading for the US indices, they are in positive territory.
So that's good read for our market. This morning, the
foot see one hundred eighty seven six seven, it's up
thirty five point four percent. The NICKO was up small
thirty nine, one hundred and seventy four. Shanghai Compost also

(09:41):
up small three three five five. The ASEX two hundred
lost nineteen points yes day eight five three seven.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
The ends of the NEX fifty up eighty.

Speaker 12 (09:48):
Pointser point sixty one thirteen thousand and sixty eight, helped
by an almost twenty percent surge in the a too
milk price. So we can talk about that later on
this week when we cover the New Zealand results. Kiwi
dollar point five seven three six, so it's getting stronger
against the US point nine oh one oer Ozzie point
five four seven three Euro point four to five four

(10:09):
nine pounds eighty six point eighty seven. Japanese yen gold
is trading at two thousand, eight hundred and ninety eight
dollars Brent crewed seventy five dollars and eight cents.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Go well, see you tomorrow, Andrew kellaherjmiwels dot co dot
m zas Greatway's net profit bid over forty four million,
revenue bit over six hundred and sixty two million, things
broadly speaking, going very well. Indeed, looking ahead, they're weary,
but then they always are. That's the old Brisco's line.
Put out a fantastic result and going on what I
know about the future. A two got cash to burn.

(10:40):
They up their first half net profit by seven and
a half percent. Andrew mentioned A two revenue grew ten percent.
These are good stories. Cash They got a bit over
a billion dollars. It's nice isn't it six twenty You're
at news Talk, said boot.

Speaker 14 (10:54):
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Speaker 1 (11:00):
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Speaker 2 (11:04):
That'd be morning. Mike Trump's rapid fire peace talks have
shown up the rest of NATO. NATO's massive belief that
the US is part of the WW two agreement to
protect and support whilst on average contributing less than two
percent of their individual gut piece towards defense. It's so true.
He's basically they've been caught with their pants down. Catherine
Field's going to have more on this very shortly. As
regards those numbers that Andrew was talking about the tourist arrivals,

(11:26):
they are loving us in the United States, So more
visitors from Australia, China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the UK,
and the USA or good news. Not where we should
be obviously, increase of three hundred and fifty seven thousand
from December of twenty twenty three, so we'll take it.
Are the US though a record for December from that
country second largest source of overseas visitors now behind Australia.

(11:50):
We're at eighty nine percent. Not good enough on twenty
nineteen eighty nine percent all these years and we're still
not back pre COVID. Good news for the government, though
Willis is claiming wins for consultants money. The amount paid
by MB to Deloitte, ey, KPMG and PwC is down
sixty three percent in the space of the year. You see,

(12:10):
you can save if you work at it. They used
to pay out to those four a loan over seven
million dollars a year. It's now down to two point six.
It's not bad ad by the way. I will come
back to it because it's interesting tomorrow Adrian as Andrew
mentioned everyone, and I mean everyone sees fifty points. There
ain't a person I can find that doesn't see fifty points.

(12:32):
From then on though, it gets super interesting. Some say
he piles on the twenty fives to get to a
neutral level for the cash right. Others say he's going
to freak out and just pull the pen and go.
Don't worry about it. We've reached it because when you
look at inflation, inflation seems to be fine. So there's
a story six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
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Speaker 2 (12:55):
Suits as in the TV show Big Hit. Then it
was a head all over again, and it arrived on
that because a hole of young people went, hey, have
you seen that show Suits? It's incredible number of young
people come up to me, so have you heard of Suits?

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Anyway, so they talked about a spinoff, the spinoffs here
Suits La. Somebody called Stephen who even when I look
at him, I don't recognize him. He's the new hot
shot lawyer. First episodes this Sunday. It may or may
not answer the speculation as to whether some old characters
would turn up, you know, like Harvey and Mike. Trailer
has been viewed over twenty million times.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
See her Respector.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Is that the coolest music go? That is the coolest
music going? There's actually more than's Gop down a rabbit
Hole as three or four different trailers that are much
longer than that, and they all look beautiful and they're
all fantastically dressed. Most of them overact, but they never
held back in the first place. Difficult to watch because
it is an NBC show, So they run it on Peacock,

(14:04):
which is their streaming service. You can download I'm assuming
can you download Peacock here if you had to. I
don't know, who knows.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
There'd be a complicated set of would you VPN it's involved.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
We don't want to complicate that. Can't you chrome it
and VP in it and stick something in the back
of your tell you so, I don't know anyway that
means it will eventually, I don't know, come to TV
and Z Plus like every other program made in the
nineteen eighties, the speaking of which I watched Stanley Tucci's Knew.
They called it the new series on the Living Channel,
the new series about searching for Italy and if you're

(14:36):
into food in Italy, you can't go wrong. It's absolutely
magnificent and despite him being slightly pompous, but then again,
aren't we all, it's brilliant anyway. At the end of
the program, because they're all wearing masks, I think, when
the hell was this made? So the new series of
Stanley Tucci fresh to the Living Channel. I look at
the end of the programs made in twenty twenty two,
there's three years old and they're calling it new. I mean,

(14:58):
someone somewhere and Television Land has got to work out
that we can actually get shows expressed from you know where.

Speaker 15 (15:05):
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Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yes, all the economists se fifty bases points tomorrow from
Adrian or but don't be sure. We need to remember
that Adrian doesn't necessarily do what everyone else knows needs
to be done. He has make grunt Robertson and the
real reason our economy is in so much trouble. You're
one hundred percent right on that, and he's still in
control of the Reserve Bank. Don't ask me how most
people that stuff up that badly get removed.

Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
It may well be one of the great regrets of
Christopher Luxem. But I will come back to you because
the business of where we go post the fifty is interesting. Morning, Mike,
I see you were quite positive about the youth camp yesterday.
TV and Z. On the other hand, Yeah, I actually
have some sort of thing. They had to go at
lux and they made an uncomfortable post CAB. I thought
they had a reasonable point, and I'll come back to
that as well. In the second twenty three minutes away

(15:56):
from seven, Chatman's watching What's going on as Macron and
Co meltdown, and Europe will get the update on that
shortly back home. Past week or so. We've done kiwi fruit,
we've done apples and pears, we've done the red meat.
All sectors growing breaking records, generally contributing positively to the
New Zealand economy. Well today, the marine sector because Westpac
SA's expension there as well exports could bring in an

(16:19):
extra four billion in the next ten years. Currently ocean
Resources contribute three point nine percent towards our GDP. The
Aquaculture New Zealand CEO is Gary Hooper as well as
Gary Morning.

Speaker 16 (16:29):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Do you see what the bank sees?

Speaker 16 (16:33):
Yeah, I had a glance at the report late yesterday
and I generally agree that specifically they highlighted aquaculture as
an area for significant growth. And of course that's a
story of pict trying to tell for almost the last
twenty years. And I think we are right on the
cuts and it was made terrific gains I rolled back to.
I think it was back in Hall and Clark's government

(16:54):
towards the end there was a strategy of a billion
dollars by twenty twenty five didn't.

Speaker 17 (17:00):
Quite get there.

Speaker 16 (17:01):
We're eight hundred million, a bit over eight hundred million.
But I sort of reflect back and look at the
things why didn't we get there, and things like consenting,
the difficulty in getting consens new consents, the uncertainty of it,
the time taken, and the extraordinary cost. Of course, what
that does is damp in both interest and investment.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Correct do you hold out hope with the reform that's
going on under the current government or not.

Speaker 16 (17:28):
Well, it's the best thing I've seen in my time.
We've got a champion in Minister Jones. He's a champion
for oceans and fisheries and that obviously involves aguaculture, but
he's also a real champion for regional development and that's
where aquaculture takes place, and things like last year we
saw the extemer durations of a coastal premise for marine farms.

(17:52):
Towards the end of the year was the fast track approvals.
And I look at the fast Track approvals and say, well,
that almost takes us back to the first I don't know,
fifteen odd years of the roma, where there was a
more balanced, nuanced view and assessing things that unfortunately, there
was a court decision in the early teens, and that

(18:15):
made it a very binary view. Mere fact that something,
you know that something could have an adverse effect, you
didn't even get to the chance to demonstrate how you
could mitigate and adapt was simply a hard no. And
I think I have a hope in the fast track approvals.
One obviously the shortened time frame, to the certainty so

(18:37):
you know where they're on you're after, and three a
more nuanced approach that could be the circuit breaker to
unless the opportunities for aquaculture fantastic.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
So eight hundred million, so you're confident because eight hundred million.
There's a big gap between eight hundred million and another
four billion over ten years. So if you get the
regulation out of the way, your foot's on the pedal.

Speaker 17 (18:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (18:59):
Absolutely, And of course the Westpac report talked to other
aspects of the marine economy, but look, I'm on Bolish
for aquaculture. We can get an extra two points something billion,
I say, relatively easy. It will still take some time,
and of course you still need the investment and the
confidence that the demonstration.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
But the one thing I'm.

Speaker 16 (19:22):
Very confident on is the market demand for our wonderful products.
And we currently we're the King Salmon, the Champagne of salmon,
popular all over the world, and Sacre I've got this
chef in America is organizing a symposium, a very influential
guy and he's desperate to feature New Zealand salmon our productions,

(19:45):
so constrained that we're struggling to be to meet his needs.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Good problem to have. Let's hope Shane gets on with
it and we can get you back on the program
when you crack the four billion, Gary, appreciate it, Gary Hooper, Aquaculture,
New Zealand. Ce you ine ten minutes away from seven
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Speaker 2 (21:53):
In the middle of it all the center of a
changing geopolitical force Field Catherine Field, very good morning to you.
Good morning Mike. That really does sum it up, doesn't it?
Does it feel like that it does? It really does.

Speaker 18 (22:08):
I know that this current Russian invasion of Ukraine started
three years ago and it's been you know, we've talked
about often enough, it's been on the doorstep for a
long time. But I think today we really do get
the feeling with what we've got eight heads of governments
of European nations, plus the head of NATO, the head
of the EU. Here in Paris, talking about how the

(22:31):
future road map of European security will pan out without
the Americans.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Being on their side.

Speaker 18 (22:37):
So really, Mike, I've seen a lot of my career,
but this is the first time I've really thought, gosh,
the ground is really changing and no one knows where
it's going to go, simply because there are so many
confused remarks, opinions, and ideas coming from the Trump administration,

(22:58):
not only in Washington, but also what Europeans heard over
the weekend about not just America's involvement with securing Europe's security,
that commitment to europe security, but also your other things
like what's going to happen to Ukraine, what's going to
happen with Russia, whether the Russia is going to be
allowed back in so many confused messages, and to have

(23:21):
so many heads of government get together and say, wow,
this is important, We've got to get together and sort
something out.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, it's all very well to get together and say wow,
what actually are they going to do? This is the
big question? And can they do it? Do they have
the money to do it?

Speaker 18 (23:37):
Here's what they're going to try and do. We've heard
what just in the last twenty four hours. The UK
kes Starmer has said that if there is a ceasefire
then the British would be happy to deploy troops.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
In some manner.

Speaker 18 (23:51):
We don't know how that would be. Let's think back
last year. That was exactly the same idea that French
President Emmanuel Macron came up with. He was taught talking
about not having French troops actually in Ukraine, but having
seen French troops along the borders with Ukraine. That would
free up some of their border patrol personnel to be

(24:12):
able to go and be on the front line. So
we're looking at that.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
What else could they do.

Speaker 18 (24:17):
The big thing they've got to do, Mike, is find money.
They need to be able to spend and spend big
on European security. So what they're going to talk about
there is how do they do it. Do they raise
the debt ceiling? Do they really antagonize the Americans by
upping all the procurement for just European firms. All these

(24:38):
are on the table, but certainly the big thing they
need is they need to come out and they need
to say very clearly, we know we're in a difficult position.
We're going for clarity.

Speaker 17 (24:48):
This is what we need.

Speaker 18 (24:50):
And the other big point, of course, is these talks
that are going to be going on in the Middle
East between the Americans and the Russians. They're going to
stand there and hopefully within the next couple of hours
they will say Ukraine has to be part of those talks,
and the EU has to be part of those talks.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, well, good luck with that. John Major on watching
him yesterday, America's isolation was creating a power vacuum that
would embolden nations like Russia and China, and that there
was no doubt Russia would invade elsewhere before long. Are
that all the people in the room you just talked
about going here? Here to that broad sentiment.

Speaker 18 (25:25):
Absolutely, there really has been a feeling since that phone
call between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin last week, there
really has been a feeling that the US is moving
away from Europe. It's no longer going to regard Europe
as its security priority. The focus will shift to China.

(25:46):
That will give Russia a chance to actually carry out
more of the type or at least threaten to carry
out the type of invasions that they've been doing in Ukraine.
When you look at what Putin and Trump were talking about.
Putin was talking about limiting native forces in Eastern Europe,

(26:09):
saying that Ukraine couldn't join NATO. These are all the
old talking points, Mike. And it's interesting that Putin is
only talking about his view of Eastern Europe, those countries
that are alongside Russia, alongside Vilarus, and he wants them
to be within the Russian sphere of influence.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Right, Hey, listen, I'm out of time, but I'm deeply
interested in Germany this weekend. What chance the AfD wins,
What chance the AfD wins and conform some sort of government.

Speaker 18 (26:38):
They will win big according to opinion polls, they will
get at least twenty percent of the votes. But again, Mike,
it's coalition government, so they won't have enough to possibly
it looks unlikely anyway, they won't have enough to be
the lead in the coalition. But certainly we're looking at
possibly May before they get a coalition agreement before with
the parties that will go in, which is a bad

(26:59):
time for Germany to be with our government.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I reckon talk next week. Appreciate it. Catherine Field. Literally
history unfolding before us. It's such an interesting time. The Irish,
by the way I'm reading this morning, speaking of Europe,
they're goods. Exports to the United States search thirty four percent.
Under normal circumstances, that will be fantastic, except when you've
got a president who doesn't like that sort of business.
Because the flip side imports from the US fell, so

(27:22):
that's called a surplus. He doesn't like it, so they
can stand by for some terrif action as well. Nine
away from.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Seven the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vita Retirement Communities
News Togstead be Mike.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
What's wrong were their own coal? The answer is it's
not right for Huntley. Huntley comes from a time where
you need the Indonesian style. We use a bit of
our own coal. That just doesn't suit it. Mike's taking
Trump to get involved, to finally get the EU off
their asses. Poulock to be frank, I couldn't agree with
you all. Rutter sort of called us out the other
day at one percent of GDP, but the number of
countries that never promised two percent, they never paid it

(27:52):
until Trump last time Trump won came along and said
start paying some dough and they finally got them into action. Mike,
how refreshing to hear someone actually being op to mystic
on your program. Go mister Hooper, love hearing about king salmon. Yeah,
the aquaculture. There's a lot going on this economy. Unfortunately,
it's the same stuff and they're all doing the heavy lifting.
It's the other stuff. It's the tourism, the productivity that

(28:13):
we need to get our act together on five minutes
away from seven, all the ins.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
And the outs. It's the fizz with business favor. Take
your business productivity to the next line, the newest.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Part of the problem, like the old coalface, and we're finding, unfortunately,
even more disengaged workers and more lack of productivity warnings.
This is new research this morning from the consultancy firm amped.
It found that career growth was apparently high on the
agenda for our current workforce, not a lot of companies
offering it. Allegedly forty percent of workers so they've got
no clarity about their next career step from their employer.
Fifty eight percent so it was only somewhat clear. Half

(28:46):
so they don't feel supported by their employer to watch
reach what the next step is. They're also overwhelmingly rating
their organizations poorly on development, lack of tools, lack of
framework to grow, lack of coaching, having minimal mentoring potentially lead,
they say, to thousands of workers looking for new roles
to get that level of growth they want, and it
could mean an even bigger migration of talent. Before the

(29:08):
lack of job opportunities, these workers were disengaged and that
of course brings the business down. Study show a disengaged
worker in terms of productivity, only works to the level
of eighty two percent of their salary and can reduce
the productivity by thirty four percent. Yes, everyone's a mona, right,
we need to get back to Europe. Paul wood XBBC.

(29:29):
Of course he's having a look at what's going on
in France. Literally as we speak, we'll talk with the
BBC's Russia correspondent. What do the Russians want out of this?
They're in Saudi Arabia with a little Marco. What do
they want? What are their red lines? Where are we
heading here? Brad Olson's got some numbers around this migration.
How bad it is? Is it reached bottom or were
still losing them left, right and center? What does it

(29:50):
mean for the country? God I wouldn't want to be
running the country. Hey, who's running the country, chrisph Lax.
And yet that's right, he's in as well, so he's
got a whole bunch of stuff to answer. And Graham Norton,
old friend of the program, he's coming after raid as well.
Up at the News which was next to TheBus talks.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
The only report you need to start your day on
my casting breakfast with the range rover bela designed to
intrigue and use talks.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Dead be seven So Europe on the brink, Jade advance
rolls into town, gives them a few home truths. The
talks as regards peace and Ukraine appear to possibly involve Europe.
Possibly not so the emergency Summitt hillbb A Night, former
BBC Foreign correspondent Paul Woodsbeck, whether that's Paul, good morning,
good morning. You've seen a lot. Is this history in
the making?

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Well, if history has a lot of panic and scrambling
and trying to make yourself relevant, then yes, this is
Europe completely alarmed by President Trump telephoning the Russian leader
Vladimir Putin, apparently without consulting European allies. And you said
in your introduction, will Europe be involved in the talks. Well,
apparently they won't, but certainly not as they are getting

(30:58):
underway in Saudi Arabia. Now, what's happening in Saudi Arabia
is much wider than just a Ukraine piece effort. This
is about the US resetting its relations with Russia. But
the Europeans are worried that this will have huge implications,
not just for Ukraine but for European security. They're trying
to make themselves relevant. We'll have to see what they
come up with.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
The JD Van's comments the other day, the fear within,
the problems within. Did he have a point?

Speaker 5 (31:24):
I suppose it depends where you stand on issues of
free speech in a reigne of European countries Britain, Germany,
And he was making a point about Europe's worries over Ukraine. Well,
hang on a minute. He's saying that the enemy is
really within and it's your own weakness. So these are
the kind of almost trolling comments that President Trump succeeds

(31:49):
in making. Very well, it's an attempt to throw the
board up in the air and reset the pieces. But
certainly doing that, it's very hard to distinguish what is
a negotiating tactic on the behalf of the US government
and what is a really heartfelt position, but certainly it's
having an effect. That's why they're meeting in Paris.

Speaker 17 (32:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Does this potentially in bolden Europe and NATO to go.
We've been caught badly out here. We need for the
future to do something more substantive than what we've been doing.

Speaker 17 (32:16):
Or not.

Speaker 5 (32:18):
Well. The Polish leaders said that that the countries of Europe,
and I suppose that the UK is well, UK's geographically
in Europe still but not politically. In Europe they will
go up their defense spending. But President Zelenski, for instance,
says it would take two hundred thousand troops to police
the fifteen hundred mile front line if there was a
peace agreement. And by the way, the Ukrainians say they

(32:40):
can be no peace agreement without them, and they're not
at the table. In Saudi Arabia, the former head of
the British Army, Lord Danet, says it would take one
hundred thousand. Well, Britain's got a pretty hollow army now
of seventy six thousand, and Britain, along with France, they're
the most effective armies in Europe. Where are these hundred thousand,
two hundred thousand going to come from? I saw one

(33:02):
estimate from one analyst saying that three brigades or fifteen
thousands all that Europe could come up with. And then
if Europe does have these troops, is America going to backstop?
That is this essentially NATO membership for Ukraine and all
but name. These are all questions which I think show
the huge mountain the Europeans have to climb, But at
the moment they're just scrambling to become relevant by offering something.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Paul, good to have you on the program, as always
appreciate your time form a BBC Foreign correspondent, Paul Wood.
It's tim minutes past seven. Pas these you know, so
called piece talks in Saudi Arabia. It's the US and
Russia And at this point that appears about it. So
who's there? What comes out of it? Olga Imschina is
with the BBC and is well, it's a very good
money to you. Is she others or not? Is there anything? No,

(33:48):
she's not. We'll get the phone sorted out. Let me
come back. It's ten minutes past seven. Find out whether
the we'll find out whether the paskiing even begun and
who's actually there the Reserve Bank just quickly. That'll be
the big talking point for tomorrow. Everybody says. As I
mentioned earlier on in the program, fifty basis points. No
one's arguing about that. But where we go from there

(34:11):
is the interesting bit. The ASB have got a couple
of twenty five pointers, so fifty and then twenty five
and twenty five A and Z say fifty to twenty
five and then that's it. They think neutral is about
three and a half. Kei we Bank are the most strident.
The track forecast of three and a half percent cash
rate by the end of the year. The track being
the Reserve Bank that implied seventy five basis points this year,

(34:33):
which is fifty points in A twenty five. They're forecasting
three percent cash rate to arrive in twenty twenty seven,
so they Kiwibank have disagreed with the track from its
very inception, where it's two percent target inflation rate virtually achieved.
We believe the RB needs to take their hand off
the handbrake and put policy into neutral. So they thought

(34:55):
that from November last year, far too hawkish. So we'll
will be something we talk about tomorrow on the program. Right,
let's hopefully think that old with Us will go good morning,
you with us morning. Yes, I'm here, very good. Indeed, Levrov, Marca, Rubio,
who else is there? What's the expectation from Russia?

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Do we know?

Speaker 19 (35:16):
Oh, that's the I guess the question which is everyone's
mind at the moment. What we see from Labal's public
statement he made briefly before boarding the plane to soud
Arabia is that he feels quite imboltant, quite pleased with
the current position in which Russia is. So he made
a few scenic and bold comments, sort of quite provocative,

(35:39):
but you know, that's the usual state of affairs for him.
So publicly, Russia presents itself as if it has like
almost up a hand on those negotiations. But what Warrov
is not mentioning is that there are a few issues
which are very important to Russia. For example, Ukraine still
controls the part of Russian territory in the coast region

(36:00):
which he has gained as a part of last year's
incursion into Russia, and this is something which borders put
in a lot, but which he doesn't like to be
talking about so and in order to achieve Putting the objectives.
In order to achieve that, Russia still needs to give
something in to trade something off and what they will
be ready to give and train that, you know, which

(36:22):
will show how really these negotiations are developing. So they
tried to put on a grave face, but it's not
all nice and funny for them.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I'm leaping a hitch slightly. But the way I see
this unfolding is Russia gets some territory, Ukraine gets some
guarantees about future invasions, America gets some rare ersts and
some minerals, and that's about it. Is that possible?

Speaker 19 (36:47):
Well, it's possible, but details a crucial here. You know,
what are the security guarantees for Ukraine? What Russia calls
security guarantees for itself. We have already heard that Britain
is suggesting to put its troops on the ground in
Ukraine as a part of a security guarantee. And that's

(37:07):
something which can be a nightmare for Putting, because he
claims he started this war, this invasion in order to
push native forces away. And now he's you know, half stuff.
He's a half step away from having native soldiers exactly
on the border of the territory he is controlling.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
In Russia itself, do people want the end of the war?
Are they following this closely? Do they see this as
the conclusion?

Speaker 19 (37:37):
Yes, of course people in Russia are following this closely.
And it's hard to say what the mood is because
Russia is an auster retaliant country and if you speak
too much or speak against the government line, you easily
end up in prison for seven eight years. But all
the posts are showing that the majority of the population
are eager for this war to stop on the one hand.

(37:59):
On the other hand, well at least ten twenty percent
of opulation are quite hawkish. So for them, but you
will need to somehow show a nice face, so he
will need to sell them this piece deals so not
so easy. I mean, Putting doesn't have to worry about elections.
Of course it's an also Italian state, but still he'll

(38:19):
need to find a way to sell it to the
Russian public.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Oh, I'm good to talk to you. Appreciate it very much,
olga Ipshina, BBC Russia correspond to fifteen past seven.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
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Speaker 2 (38:35):
Chris Lux and Graham not and still the come eighteen
past migration numbers. Broadly things are settling down. Still a
lot of people leaving there a lot of them thirty
eight percent in factor eighteen to thirty year old. So
what do we make of it? Inframetrics principal economist Brad olsenback, Well,
this morning, mane, good morning as well. Migration numbers. How
does this all in? Are we're going to end up
exporting people or have we reached the bottom? Do you reckon?

Speaker 20 (38:55):
Well, it's a been hard to tell at the moment. Certainly,
up until recently, the head being fair that we would
have more people that we would lose than would come
in over a year. The trends were certainly shifting back.
If you look back over the twenty twenty three year,
we had nearly one hundred and thirty thousand more people
moved to New Zealand then left on a long term basis.
Come through to the twenty twenty four calendar year and

(39:18):
that number was only around twenty seven thousand, So its
still positive, but you know, one hundred thousand people different
the more recent monthly figures are suggesting that although there's
a much lower number of people coming in month by month,
it's starting to pick up just a slight touch, which
feels a little bit odd given that the jobs market
is still pretty weak, the unemployment rates up, it's harder

(39:41):
to find work. But I suspect talking to a few
businesses that there are some parts of the economy where
we need some more skilled workers. And so although we
haven't got just you know, this huge info, there does
seem to be a little bit more activity happening there
where we're trying to sort of fill the gaps.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Here's what I worry about, beyond the numbers they may
coming from China, the Philippines, et cetera. Are they filling
the gaps? And just because it's one out, one in,
are we replacing what we've lost.

Speaker 20 (40:09):
It's a bit tough to make that last assessment. Because
we have a pretty good idea of who's coming in
and the skills that they bring, we still don't have
really any good tracking on the sort of skills that
we're losing. There's a lot of anecdote and anecdata, but
sort of none of the sort of cold hard facts
that would normally rely on I suspect that in general
we are probably seeing most of those who are coming

(40:30):
in are coming in.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
To fill the gaps.

Speaker 20 (40:32):
It's unusual that we'd be sort of at the moment
that New Zealand businesses would be struggling with roles across
the board, and so generally they won't try and issue
a visa for that. But I think there's also a
question at the moment around particularly our young people. We
know that there's a big flow out over to the
likes of Australia and similar and so although we might

(40:53):
be seeing the right or sort of similar trends at
the moment for where the economy is at in terms
of sort of reduced some of those below the surface trends,
the fact that we're losing a lot of New Zealanders
and also the fact that we've sort of seen such
a huge shift around in that foreign migration does make
you wonder about sort of where we go in the future.
Do we have sort of sustainable population growth or do

(41:16):
we just have these sort of massive, you know, huge
peaks and troughs in our migration system. And who knows
how to plan for that?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
All right, bra I appreciate the expertise. There's always deportation.
There's a tricky old situation. More on the moment seven
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(42:37):
The minister in charge of making the callers to whether
to deport people. And in a way, this is a
singular little example of what the Americans deal with millions
of times over there seems no dispute. Eighteen year old
Darmand's parents are overstairs. Darman was born here, it's his home.
So does he get deported? And do his parents get
deported if you follow the law. The answer seems simple,
yes they do. It's not Darmond's fault. His parents broke

(42:58):
the law, and that's the birth's debate. Of course, in America,
the illegals come across the border, they have a child.
The child is an illegal, and yet it's not their fault.
It is their home, it's the only country they know.
A democratic administration gives you leniency, a republican not so much.
There are as there always are questions around how you
can be here as an overstayer for many, many many years. Also,

(43:18):
I assume these are decent people I mean if they
were criminals or reprobates, the decisions would be a lot easier.
Of course, So family who work, contribute to the country
call it their own. They want to stay. No shortage
of emotion in the old argument. Now I'm sure part
of their issue at some point once they technically became
overstay as they feared getting caught. You know, after I
don't know, a week, a month, a year, do you

(43:39):
come clean to your tidy year affairs up? Do you
plead for leniency, hope for the best, do you try
your luck? Surely in doing what they did, they must
have known the game at some point for some reason
would be up. Or maybe after eight years or nine years,
or fifteen or twenty one years, maybe they put it
to one side. Maybe they would never be found out,
they thought to themselves.

Speaker 17 (43:58):
So what to do?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
The section is three seventy eight of the Immigration Act.
The Minister can apparently do anything he likes. Easy to say,
go on, let them stay. But you set the precedent,
don't you. And that's the trouble with powerful jobs and
big decisions, hardly ever simple. It may well be the
hardest thing to think ever does unless you get well
unless he lets them stay. Of course that would be
easier make you feel good and probably with minimal pushback

(44:24):
me Mike, I see you're quite positive about the youth
camp yesterday. TV and Z. On the other hand, yestvs
had a crack at the Prime Minister post cab yesterday.
In fact, they're all piled and it's funny to watch
a press gallery pylon because one starts and then everyone goes,
oh well on a piece of that action, and Luxem
becomes increasingly uncomfortable. They made, I thought a not unfair point.
It is true to say that Karen Shaw in the

(44:45):
early days were spreaking the good news around the military
style boot camps, and one had a job and some
were going into education. The story, if you've missed it,
there seems to be a claim summer back in the
justice process. But of course Luxeon's in a difficult position.
I defend him to the extent of you. You are
in the justice process. You are innocent until proven guilty,
and you can't go around bandying names and crimes and
accusations and fingers and all that sort of stuff. So

(45:07):
I get that bit. But it does seem that the
government were happy to talk positive and not so happy
to talk about the negative. But in the reportage yesterday,
and this is where the media is so slack, not
one story I saw mention the report that I mentioned
on this program yesterday. There is actually a report, an
official report, and the official report says the scheme actually

(45:32):
is good. And no one remarkably appeared to mention that.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
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Speaker 1 (45:41):
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Speaker 2 (45:45):
Graham Norton's making the program after eight o'clock this morning,
twenty three minutes away from it. Chuesday Morning primeans to
Christoph luxeendo joins us, first, good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (45:53):
Good morning Mike.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
How I you today? Very well? Indeed, did you do
anything for Valentine's Day?

Speaker 13 (45:59):
You know what? I didn't?

Speaker 9 (46:00):
Actually, because every day is Valentine's Day and the luxe
and household.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Your wife is sick of hearing. It's a reason for no.

Speaker 9 (46:10):
We sat down, I think we had dinner on our
on our laps, and I think we started watching there
was some Netflix show we started getting into, not the
Brian Apple side of vinegar that that terrible story about
social media influences and misleading people.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I've heard that crap. Brian Johnson, you are into Do
you think he's mad or not?

Speaker 13 (46:31):
He's intense.

Speaker 9 (46:32):
I mean, I just think you've got to enjoy life
as well somewhere along the way. But there's something that
he's doing that's at the edge, and that's always interesting
because he's obviously body hacking and trying to find a
way to age negatively age. But he'd be an interesting
guy to talk to if you could even get him
on your show.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
But I think, well, Sammy's on and you talk to
Sammy every week, and no one's better at getting people
on the program.

Speaker 13 (46:55):
He can do it. Sam will do it.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Either that or will sack him. Brian roach. He appears
to be very very good at what he does because
he's worked out the public service isn't up to scratch
and he's looking at blowing up departments. Is this doge
in Z style?

Speaker 9 (47:12):
Well, I mean, first of all, he's an excellent hire,
and I've known Brian for a long time. He's going
to be great at this job. What we really want
is a much more efficient, effective public service. I want
him focused on a few things. We've got to get
the right leaders into these big agencies and big departments,
the big organizations, and when you get the right leader
at the top, it makes all the difference through the organization.
I also want them working hard on talent development. So

(47:34):
like you know, we've got probably two hundred and fifty
imagine fantastic public servants that you want to develop and
give them bigger jobs, give them opportunities to do stuff.

Speaker 13 (47:42):
I think you're right.

Speaker 9 (47:43):
We manage a lot of complexity and government. Is my
observation a year and a bit into this job. We
need much more simplicity and if that means sort of
sharpening up agencies and portfolios and simplifying all of that,
that would be great. And I think the other thing
I've asked him to focus on is, you know, we
need to think about the the media. Give me if
when I say this, but I think it's right, is
that the public is my customer, and you know, we

(48:04):
need these to be service led organizations that have customers,
which is the new Zealand public. And I think digitization
actually thinking through the customer issues as to what it's
like dealing with the government agency and how we use
digital skills in particular to do a better job of
better customer service is important. So you know, I think
we're really aligned, and I'm really excited about him because in.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
The public service community see him and or you blowing
up some government departments they no longer may well.

Speaker 13 (48:33):
Be the case.

Speaker 9 (48:33):
I think, you know, where we've got a lot of
small agencies that lack scale is probably too many of
them at times that I want every agency really focused
on what its core business actually is. I want them
to be curious. I want them to actually be creating value.
I want them to be very customer focused. And so yep,
that's one of the things I've asked them to think
through is you know, how do we get things simpler?

(48:55):
So that and then we've when you've got things that simple,
then you can hold people to account for what they're
there to do and deliver.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Okay, So now that sort of answers my question to
the extent that the Kumar case, which is interesting, somebody
text me and said they can't have been contributing income
tax for twenty four years if they were overstars. My
argument would be, I bet you they could have they
ran their own business, because ird wouldn't share enough information
with the appropriate people and that's how you stay in
the country illegally for twenty four years.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
Yeah, look, I think there's a whole bunch of questions
that that case will never be thrown up on. I've
got to be careful because as you know, illegally, I've
got you know, Chris Penker's associate me and it's just
reviewing it all and it's not.

Speaker 13 (49:31):
Appropriate I talk about the specifics of that case.

Speaker 9 (49:33):
My bigger point is that it's really important given we've
had so many New New Zealanders come in to New
Zealand over the last twenty years who have actually done
the right thing and followed legal immigration processes right. And
it's unfair when people don't do that. And that's why
I do want us to be much more vigilant on
making sure we uphold legal immigration. That's really important. It's

(49:56):
a fairness point. That's a key principle of being a
key we as that if you've worked hard and you've
actually done the followed the process and come to this
country because you believe in it and you've followed the
law and the rules, that's that's fantastic. And actually those
people they are often the people that are most vociferous
about the folk that have gone around it illegally. So
you know, we've got to do a better job obviously
making sure that we are on top of it. And

(50:17):
you know, I know, Eric Stampa's got resources to look
into some of that as well to make sure that's
been It might.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Well be for Pink the hardest thing you ever does,
because how do you boot a country? I mean, they
deserve to be booted out because they're legals, but the
kids it's not his fault.

Speaker 17 (50:29):
So what do you do?

Speaker 9 (50:30):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I mean these are classic cases of
illegal immigration you see all around the world, and it's
a really difficult case. There's massive amounts of emotion in it.
There'll be, you know, you know, a whole bunch of
considerations that he's got to do. It's a really tough job,
really tough job. But you know, the immigration officials have
come to their view. Norek finally comes to the Sacian
minister to make a.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Cause because he's got all the information, hasn't he. I mean,
there's nothing stopping and making the decision literally now, is there?
Because he can do anything at once? What else does
he need to know? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (50:59):
He's got a chart to go ask some questions of
the officials and understand the case well and to make
an assessment. But you know, he got handed I think
at the end of last week. So you know, he'll
move through it as quickly as he can, but he's
got to do it fairly. He's got a you know,
there's a whole bunch of implications that come from whatever
decision he makes, obviously, but you know, I trust him.
Know it's a difficult job weighing up these individual cases
because everyone's you know, if it was easy, it would

(51:21):
have been sorted.

Speaker 13 (51:22):
And ultimately the buck stops with him.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I sort of I understood your defense yesterday post cab
on the boot camp thing, and you did spook it
and Chure especially spooked it and told us about all
the kids that we're going to do well, and then
suddenly we clam up shut. So I sided with the
media on that. But what they didn't do yesterday is
talk about that report and the report having read it
by and large as positive good stuff. Yeah it is,

(51:45):
it is positive.

Speaker 13 (51:45):
I mean there was.

Speaker 9 (51:46):
I mean, you've got kids here, Mike, who are most
serious sort of young persistent offenders, and now they are
toughest kids and they end up in a facility like that,
and that's how they got deemed to put onto this pilot.
There was lots that we did really well on the
residential facility. You know, there was lots of support around
the kids. Yes, you know, it was some really good
things that happened. But the bit that we need to

(52:08):
work harder on is obviously the transition back into community. Yes,
there will be some reoffending, for sure. I'm not going
to comment on that, as I said yesterday, because I
think you know, there's issues before courts and kids going
through processes, and it's a relatively small number of them.
But it's not fair that promise to comments on it.
But there were positives in that, and I'm sorry, you know,
people keep being on saying it's you know, it's not
working well. Actually, these kids are getting a breath and
an intervention and a choice about how they might want

(52:30):
to live the rest of their life. And if they've
got people around them for the first time that are
actually building them up and getting them focused and actually
spending time with them.

Speaker 13 (52:37):
The new legislation we're putting.

Speaker 9 (52:38):
Through the House very shortly on the serious Young offender
will just mean that we've got the flexibility to extend
the time and residential care, and for some of those kids,
they probably could have benefited for more time and residential
care before they come back in the community.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
The reports, I said, though that I thought was obvious.
It didn't it doesn't have enough stuff?

Speaker 7 (52:55):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Well it does.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
It did have a heap of stuff. I mean, specifically,
there's not enough one on one support. And the people
who were doing it, I felt under pressure. And who
can blame them because old world's watching it felt under
pressure to perform. They need more support, So why't Why
wouldn't you stack it up at the front. Well we did.

Speaker 9 (53:12):
I mean we put a lot of people and a
lot of resources in there, and I visited that.

Speaker 13 (53:16):
But I appreciate the staff.

Speaker 9 (53:18):
You know, we had expectations and intensity about that. There
were some really good things that happened. I don't think
we had any incidences of kid on kid violence, which
is you know what happens in a lot of those.

Speaker 13 (53:26):
Youth justice facilities. So there's some really good work going on.

Speaker 9 (53:29):
I'm sure there's more that we can do to support
the staff in particular, and I think there's a lot
more we could be doing and making the transition back
in the community, which is always the hard part, right,
But you know, I'm not giving up on these kids, Mike,
because actually we want them off community and we want
them to take it out with a chance to reset
and also make a choice about what they want to
do for the next twenty years.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
It's the things that's worrying me about this. So I
know it's all politics and everything, but the amount of
energy that's been put in by some people to pile
on this thing and to sink it before it starts
is upsetting. And now, listen, this is a lot.

Speaker 9 (54:00):
Of you don't like it, but actually I don't care
because you to do the right thing by these kids,
and you give them a shot to churn their lives
around and then you make the choice.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Now speaking which this committee that Goldsmith set up back
in September to look at retail crime with old Sunny Koschl,
who you hired to shut them up? Where the hell
was this? I'm reading this last night six months in
they what's been done? Well, just just just rewind a
little bit, Like retail crime has gone up one hundred percent.
It's cost us over a billion dollars a year. As
the reality of it, Goldsmith's formed a ministerial advisory group.

(54:31):
He's got people from the front line. I just told
you what's happened. Tell me what you're going to do
with six months? How was it? They're going to surface
with some ideas. I'm going to surface. How have they been?

Speaker 9 (54:43):
You watch for the rolling thunder, Mike's coming. But in
all seriousness, they've actually got some pretty pragmatic common sense
sort of ideas and as we get two or three
out of that group good and are dealing with a
billion dollar problem, that's going to be good. So watch
this space rolling Sunday, stortly, very shortly, Michael, there.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Days or weeks, because I've got the headline Government of Pleasures.

Speaker 9 (55:06):
Yep, there's some very provocative things in there, but I
think some very pragmatic common sense actually from the front line.

Speaker 13 (55:12):
That would be useful.

Speaker 9 (55:13):
And frankly, if we get two or three things out
of that group that actually we can put into the
system to get the settings tighter and actually cut down
on retail crime and the same way we're cutting down
on violent crime, that's good.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Would you put peacekeepers on the ground in Ukraine?

Speaker 13 (55:26):
Look, I mean I think we've got a long way
to go.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I mean we're yeah, no.

Speaker 13 (55:32):
I get it, But I mean from our point of view,
we're very supportive of Ukraine.

Speaker 9 (55:35):
We are actually in lockstep with the Brits. Actually, were
we with them training Ukrainian soldiers in the UK.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Why ask the question, because that's what we do. Well,
we'd be open to that, would be open to it.
We've got a number of peace keeping missions around the world.
But for us, we stand with the Ukraine.

Speaker 9 (55:50):
It's important, you know, we have these values about nation states, sovereignty,
you know, rule of law. We've seen a big power
I just use its power and coming over the top
of a small country. And most importantly we need Ukraine
or Russia. Well, we're talking about in general across the
geopolitical landscape at the moment. You know, the rules based system,
as we say, is breaking down when you've got big
countries that are acting out of power, not out on

(56:12):
the basis of rules. And for small countries like New Zealand,
we care deeply about that stuff because those are you know,
from the grace of God, that could be us.

Speaker 13 (56:19):
So actually that's why we have real affinity with Ukraine.
But you know we'd be open to that.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Stop eating dinner on your knee, It's not healthy. This
is the body hacker. Yeah, that's right. Chris Luxe and
the Prime and still Christopher Luxon twelve minutes away from Mate.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
The Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
by the News.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Talks at be Myke Prime in Selection hit the nail
on the head with talent development within New Zealand. Too
many of our key management role roles start with an
important ten years later. Eighty percent of the entire department
comes from a suburb of London, made up of schoolmates
and next work colleagues. It is not a bad point, Mike.
Jury's out on lux with me, but today I found
them very impressive. I said nothing I would disagree with
his comments. Do show how poorly MSM are treating them.

(57:04):
I tend to agree. I watch a lot of it
all live these days, and what you see unfold live
and what you get later on in the day are
two completely different things. We should be more interested, Mike,
and what's occurring in our doorstep than in the Ukraine.
The Cook Islands have just been taken from under our nose.
I only partially agree with you what Brown's got to
say over the next twenty four hours. I assuming at
some point, having got back to RaRo yesterday, he's going
to unveil what he actually signed up to and it

(57:26):
will take it to the Parliament. There was a boat
of no confidence lined up that's been delayed, and at
some point he might want to pick up the phone
and ring, oh, I don't know, somebody like Winston and
tell us what's going on and whether or not we
need to And I'm reading yesterday we're going to have
to sort of change the way we write the agreements.
Australia did it a while back with places like Tabalu,
but whether we're going to have to change and harden
up on the agreements with the way you know, it's

(57:49):
all very well handing out money to these people, but
all of a sudden he's wandering off to China and
no one knew what was going on and we didn't
need to be in the room. I think we just
need to we need to tapen up a little bit there.
But we'll need to hear what he has to say
and what he signed up to. Eight away from it, the.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Mike Hosking breakfast with the range rover Villa news talks
Dad b.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
But generally I'm a hard ass. But in this case,
the boy was born here. The sister as well, but
she fits the old Laurence stay. Surely, sending a single
chart to a foreign country all the loaner is in humane. Well, yes,
and that is part of the argument. But then again
the parents are illegals, so do you see in them
as well? I think I was right about that ird
business when people go, well, how do they pay tax? Ird?
Don't you know when they get the tax, they don't go.

(58:30):
I wonder if it is overstayed. Put the decision on
the overstayed, Mike back on them pay a large final leave, James.
That can't work. Think about it. What that says is
if you're an overstay with money, you get to stay,
versus an overstay with no money, you don't get to stay.
So that doesn't work for a moment.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Is it just me am I snob and thinking that
sitting there with your dinner on your knees a bit weird.
It is a bit weird, isn't it. It's me we
were not because you are, so I don't know. It's
just that it's got a sad, lonely Hello, man, was
your night, Amanda?

Speaker 5 (59:03):
Was?

Speaker 6 (59:04):
How are you supposed to watch Netflix?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
We don't watch while you're eating dinner for a start,
is my thing? And then maybe I don't know the tape.

Speaker 6 (59:12):
This is where you've gone completely wrong.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Check to your chat to your partner. I mean it's
not like he hasn't got interesting chat. I mean, the
guy's running a country, for God's sake, And even if
you don't like him and wouldn't have voted for him,
he's still got interesting chat.

Speaker 21 (59:23):
There's travelers, though his day has been quite widely covered
by the time he gets I probably watched it on
Yeah exactly, he's got nothing new to tell her.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Well, though she could say I've seen I saw your
post cap. Yeah, what'd you think? Tatoes are nice? Aren't they? Well?
I thought you were a bit slow on that one
from Jina. Oh was I okay? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
Maybe the real story behind who's running this country?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Eh?

Speaker 5 (59:45):
What?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I got to get to White Lotus, which I did
watch yesterday, and I wasn't doing it with dinner on
the knee.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
The mikeskame be in stateful then gaging and vitally the
mic asking breakfast with a Vita, retirement, communities, life your way, news,
togs Head been.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Dinner on his lap, Tim the Luxeon's not a forward place. Oh,
we've started a thing here, Mike. You're a shocking snob,
and so it goes anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
We'll out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
We'll come back to that when there can't be news.
Nod in agreement there, nodding yet, Yes, you are seven
minutes past day time for catchup? Whether I will make
Graham Norton who No, it does not a book or
a television show. It's a tour. Norton has headed our
way for what appears to be a growing number of
shows in this country. Arrives next month anyway, Graham Norton,
good morning, Hello sir, how are you? I'm extremely well

(01:00:41):
and happy New Year to you. Quick question. I had
been Elton on the program last week and I asked
him about Christmas New Year. He said he cooked two turkeys,
a roast pork vegetable options plural plus roast vegetaies for
the family. Can you beat that? Or is he a
show off?

Speaker 14 (01:01:00):
Elson John?

Speaker 17 (01:01:01):
Did that?

Speaker 20 (01:01:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Not Elton John being Elton wrong?

Speaker 17 (01:01:03):
Elton, Oh, Ben, I was thinking, I really can't imagine
Ben Alston or Elton john Brook two turkeys. No, we
we struggled with one here. And actually it was really
my Christmas dinner was very, very bad this year. I
miss timed in all that uports were close to raw.

(01:01:24):
Everyone was quite polite because they didn't have to cook it.

Speaker 13 (01:01:27):
I did.

Speaker 17 (01:01:27):
But yeah, it was not not my finest.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Allaity fantastic you're back into it from my wife, by
the way, who's just finished Frankie. Two questions. One she
can grat She said, this is your best yet and
by some margin. And I don't think she she's a
big fan of yours, so she's not saying you were
useless and now you're brilliant, but she's just you, you've
hit your stride. Do you feel that way?

Speaker 17 (01:01:51):
It's my favorite one of them so far. I mean,
I suppose you're you're you know, you're young. It's always
your favorite, but but I do it kind of it
felt different, right, and it has kind of landed differently
with readers and stuff. So yeah, I'm really I'm really peopable.
Thank your wife. That's very kind of her, not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
And having said that, I mean I read the books
as well, but but she was particularly effusive. She says,
and here's I hadn't thought about this, she says, Do
you write in your voice? Because she can't read it
without hearing you say it.

Speaker 17 (01:02:23):
It's a weird thing, isn't it, Because normally when you
read a book, you don't know what the writer sounds like.
But of course when it says great Norton on the cover,
you do. So I don't know, I mean in my
I don't. I mean I'm writing it, and I do
do the audio book, and I'm able to read it,
so I suppose it feels comfortable for.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Me to read.

Speaker 17 (01:02:42):
But I'm not aware of my voice as I as
I write. But yeah, I'm sure it's been there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
The next part. And can I congratulate you on these shows.
I don't think it started out nine shows you're bringing here,
but it has grown to nine shows, and I think
I think they're all sell That surely tells you something
about the love of New Zealanders towards you.

Speaker 17 (01:03:06):
It's listen because you know you put these things on
saying you're kind of dear God, let me come and
see me. So when they felt that so far for
the ask for exidates. That's great, So I think they
are all sort of. I think there's a couple of
tickets still left for the extra one in christ Structured
town Hall on Wednesday twenty sixth and in Wellington at
the micro Filer Center of the twenty eighth that be

(01:03:28):
being organized. So I think those are the only ones
that's still a ticket left if people would like to
come and see me.

Speaker 18 (01:03:36):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I mean, you must have had enough success so far
to be comfortable within your own skin, but do you
have that nervousness when you talk to an agent or
a manager or whoever's organizing the stuff going? How many shows,
how big a haul, how many tickets? What's it going
to do? Am I popping?

Speaker 19 (01:03:51):
You know?

Speaker 17 (01:03:52):
All that stuff you do, you do because this is
a kind of you know, most of the stuff I do.
It's quite a passive thing to consume. You know, you
turn on a radio, or you turn on a TV
or this, you know, a clip from the show just
pops up on your Instagram. This you've got to actively,
you know, go online, pick up a phone. You've got

(01:04:14):
to reach into your wallet, you've got to get actual cash,
you know. So it's a much bigger commitment. You know,
you could quite like me without thinking I need to
leave my house and spend two hours with him. So yeah,
I I, I. Yeah. You're always nervous when you do
something that requires people to take action. So I'm really

(01:04:34):
pleased that people have decided to come out. And you know,
I did some shows this show before Christmas in the
UK and it is it. I did have a good
time doing I'm looking forward to bringing it down there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Good. The business of leaving your television program to do
this tour strikes me as a large one, was it?

Speaker 8 (01:04:56):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:04:56):
No, because in fact I'm only missing one week, is
that it? Yeah, the press of the press is slightly
restorations my abandonment of the TV show. No, I'm just
missing one week and the lovely Claudia Winkleman is sitting
in for the for the week I'm missing. But no,
then then we were off anyway, So yeah, it's it's

(01:05:18):
not so dramatic. I think the BBC would not be
very pleased by just said, Oh, by the way, I'm
traveling around Australia at New Zealand while my show's supposed
to be on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I'm so glad you explained that because I literally, because
I know what I you know, love I put into
my show, and I'm assuming it's yours. And your show
is not just a show. I mean, you know, it's
people on a couch and you talk to people, but
it's what you bring. And therefore, if I was employing you,
I'd be thinking, well, hold on, mate, the show is
not really the same if you're not there, And I thought,

(01:05:48):
what a big call to make. So it is just
one and I take it. She's done it because that's
been done. Isn't Because I was looking at the list yesterday,
there's a couple of shows we haven't seen here in
the country yet. But she's done the show that you're missing.
Is that correct?

Speaker 17 (01:06:02):
No, she's She's been on the show earlier this year,
and she'll be recording the show. So I'm doing my
final show this coming Thursday, about the Friday, and then
she does the one after that when I'm getting on
a jet. Fay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Okay, got that all right? Well hold on because one
of the shows I think you have done, which is
coming up but hasn't been seen here yet, has got
an interesting guests. So I want to talk about that
in no moment. More from Graham Norton shortly thirteen past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on I had
Radio Coward by News.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Talks it be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
It's news Talks have been sixteen past. Graham Norton's our guest,
these nine shows. A couple of these tickets we refer
to our I'll give you those details in just a
couple of moments. Anyway, back to the show. So I
was looking at the lineup. Have you done the Nero yet?

Speaker 17 (01:06:47):
Yes, that has happened, And as advertised, he's a lovely,
very nice man, but not a chattie.

Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:06:57):
He's he's been nominated. He's been nominated for eight hours
and he's won two.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
As far as the the Neighborhood, I've got to talk
to you about as well. Have you done that yet
or not?

Speaker 18 (01:07:08):
No?

Speaker 17 (01:07:08):
God, you're good, Mike. You're keeping up following my career
with interest. Yeah, we're doing that in June. And it
won't actually be on Telly Bill twenty twenty six, Wow,
because it'll be it'll be a huge editing job. It's
all these families and households living in houses and are
filmed twenty four to seven a Lah Big Brother, and

(01:07:31):
then it's a bit like I know it must be
a New Zealand version of goggle Box.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yes, well there's not a New Zealand version. We see
google botxl okay, so there's a.

Speaker 17 (01:07:41):
Bit of goggle Box about it. And then they do
these challenges but one of the households will win a
quarter of a million British pounds. Wow, which is you
know that's a prize worth getting. So yeah, we're filming
that in June. But like I say, it'll be mostly
kind of be put together in the edit and then
it'll all be on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
And do you have a seat that it's going places
in terms of reality television? Does this a format? You
think there's a bit of magic here? I?

Speaker 17 (01:08:07):
Well, this listen, I went, I don't like working. I
know it seems like I do, but I don't. And
so I went to this meeting where they're going to
tell me about this new show, thinking oh, fine, all
right to the super meeting, but I'm going to say no,
And actually that does sound quite good. So I thought
I'll be annoyed if I'm sat at home watching someone
else hose that. So I said, yeah, and you know

(01:08:31):
it's and also it's that weird thing. You know, I'm
sixty one, about to be sixty two, so the idea
that someone's offering me a kind of a hot ticket
big job in TV is kind of amazing, so it
would seem churlish to turn it down. So yeah, I've
got another job.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Fantastic. Well, listen, we're looking forward obviously, we're looking forward
to seeing you because your virtually shows are all solid out.
But if you get time pop by and say hi
to us, is always a thrill to kill up with you.

Speaker 17 (01:09:01):
All right, take care, sir, Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Nice to talk to sir Graham Norton in the country.
Let me give you the date. Apparently you're telling me
there was a goggle box google Box here a local
version obviously not a raging success for probably went for
the one season twenty six and twenty eighth of March
year two. Left that everything else is sold out. So
christ Church at the town Hall at the little Burn Auditorium,

(01:09:23):
so there's a couple of tickets available there, the twenty
eighth at the Fowlers Center. Small number there, so you'll
need to be fairly quick. So Graham Norton, always good
to have him on the program, and all the people
who've read the book and texted and obviously very very popular,
which is great.

Speaker 15 (01:09:37):
Nineteen past eight The Make Asking Breakfast with Bailey's real
estate news dog Zibby.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Twenty eighteen. Goggle Box the local version TV three came
and went. Morty, my twenty four year old bought me
a ticket for Christmas. Is Graham Norton. He's taking me
for dinner in the show. It's our thing. We've always
watched Graham, and I'm beyond excited. Best person ever, isn't it.
I'm cited for you. It looks like Mike. The three
hundred and eighty seven dollars ticketonian Christ just big bucks

(01:10:04):
and a three hundred and eighty seven. I'd pay three
eighty seven if I had at four or Graham, but
three eighty seven. There was a time when if he
cracked one hundred for a concert, people go, geez, one
hundred bucks, Mike. We listened to Frank mind you. I
bought some olive oil the other day. We bought our annion.
This is not to dismiss our supplies of the olive oil,
because we love them. They happen to be our neighbors,

(01:10:25):
and they make the best olive oil. In the country,
but we buy in bulk in our fusty. Don't ask
what a fusty is, Glenn.

Speaker 21 (01:10:31):
I've already didn't that exactly and so explained it and
I've forgotten anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
It's a big metal container that contains a lot of
oil once so we buy our annual supply of oil.
And last year I paid seventy dollars a liter, which
is a lot, but it's exceedingly high end. This year
it was one hundred dollars a liter. So that's what's
happened to the prize of olive oil all over the world.
So three eighty seven for a concert's nothing, Mike. We
listened to Frankie on the audio book read by Graham.

(01:10:57):
It was brilliant needs his accent tell Graham read his
bok frankly last month's London, So plenty of Graham Norton fans.
By the way, as regards a bean bag tray, it
turns out I'm quite possibly a snob, which will who
saw this coming? So Sam virtually every night because he

(01:11:18):
got a bean bag tray for his thirteenth birthday from
his mum, and so he sits in front of the
telly every night and with his bean bag tray eating
his dinner. So a lot of people do just to
be fair.

Speaker 21 (01:11:30):
He's not sitting there, you know, ignoring his partner because
she's not home from work at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
So he's just by himself, little SAMs, by himself with
little bean ba.

Speaker 21 (01:11:40):
And also he doesn't actually have a table to which
he doesn't have a table in the city living, you
know how it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Only an outside table sitting outside, so he's got to
sit inside in the corner on his lap. There's little
bean bag tray. He's a little producer who could And
then but then Glenn at that point, Glenn at that
point said, we've got bean bag trays. Here we go.
So anyway, for all I know, Luxon and Amanda have

(01:12:09):
got bean bag trays, and the whole country's got bean
bag trays. Twenty eight bucks for a bean bag tray
on Timu, but I wouldn't buy it because it'll have
been made by slave labor. So you need to go
to Mighty Ape. You have delivery problems with Mighty eight.
Here's my last story with Mighty Ape. We went and
bought a perfume at Mighty Ape on Mighty Ape and
they designate perfume as is it a poison or and

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it's dangerous dangerous goods. They call it dangerous goods because.

Speaker 21 (01:12:40):
We ordered this, isn't it because they know what you're
going to do with it when you get it, You're
just going to douse yourself in it, thereby becoming a
wipin of mess destruction for your colleagues.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
It took weeks and we thought where the hell's has
come from? And it goes, oh, it's because of dangerous goods.
Since when did perfume, cologne, after shave, whatever you want
to call it become dangerous goods?

Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
Well let me know next time. Because I just live
around the corner from my hoe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
I was going to say, very pleasant, you are I
just just pop in and grab some. Anyway, we eventually
got it. I thought it was a bit stupid, which
brings me to White Lotus and I watched the first
episode last night of season three and I'm a massive
We are a massive, massive White Lotus watches. Now, we
had our meal at the counter and when we're first

(01:13:27):
wait at the counter, at the counter at the counter,
so you haven't got a table either, got a table?
And we interchange we can go to the table, or
we go to the counter. Last night, we're into the counter.
So we sat at the counter, sat up at the
counter with knives and forks, having it at the counter
any bitter than imonstrated as it's at the counter anyway.
So we sat at the counter and we finished our meal,

(01:13:50):
and then we sat down we watched White Lotus.

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
If I hadn't said, you're sitting side by, you're still
sitting side by.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Son, not snow by side. No, I'm at the end
of the counter and she's at the left hand side.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
That is actually I don't like being opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Could No, you don't want to be opposite.

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
I feel like i'm judge from couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
And so I'm at the head of the counter and
she's at the left hand side of the counter. Anyway,
works out well. So after she dismiss me to do
the dishes, finish off the washing for the day, we
sat down to White Lotus. Now, if you hadn't seen
White Lotus before, you'd go God, this is slow burn,
but it's set the table. No pun intended. Given the
discussion of all the characters. This is set in Thailand.

(01:14:27):
They're sort of the same. They're different people every time
are one. They're completely different people, but they're the same
characters if you know what I mean. You know one
so you don't like them. Yeah, and someone's going to
end up dead. So anyway, it looks good. I came
away thinking, oh yeah, it's lost none of its magic.
All the reviews don't speak well of it. But I
speak well of it, and I have my dinner at

(01:14:48):
a counter, so that's got to count for something.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
News is next, news, opinion and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
The Mike costing breakfast with the range Rover Villar designed
to intrigue and use.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Togs, that'd be Mike. It's rather the couint that you
and others still refer to kitchen services as counters. Unless
you're running a business from your kitchen. There's not much
counting of money going on an you more, but the
term remains well, it's a it's a fair point you make.
I don't know what else to call it. The kit
To my mind, the bench is the bit that you
are doing the kitchening in. So in other words, you've

(01:15:23):
got your sink, you've got the area around it, that's
your kitchen bench. That's when you're doing, you're cutting, your chopping,
you're cooking, your preparation, all that sort of stuff. What
you quite often have these days, and what we have
is a thing that sticks out the end.

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
Is that a return? Maybe a return to me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Is something that's round at the end. And for some reason,
I don't know why, but no, And so what's the
bit that sticks out the end? If it's not a counter,
you're your bar? Yeah, it could be breakfast bar. Yeah, no,
fair cool break but exactly, and so it's not the dinner.

Speaker 6 (01:15:56):
Bar, it certainly is it, or the lunch bar, or
the brunch.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Bar, or the sit down check with your wife bar.
It's the kitchen breakfast bar. And so therefore I'm stuck
with counter. But I take your point. Twenty two minutes
away from.

Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
Nine International correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance, Peace of
mind for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Business, Right, Britt, we go a run a little morning
to you.

Speaker 7 (01:16:16):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
If you ran a pole on Starmer's idea of putting
boots on the ground in Ukraine on the peacekeeping force,
would that have much support or not? I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:16:28):
That's a really interesting question and not what i'd considered.
I've been looking at it, you know, for the Podsdew
of the USA and Britain in poll in terms, people
aren't keen on us getting involved in the wars, which
we're not directly connected to. So I would have thought
it would be fairly unpopular immediately. And don't forget there's
a great ground swell of liking for Donald Trump here

(01:16:53):
at the moment of people who hitherto probably didn't like
him very much. So I would have thought it would
be a negative rather than a positive. But at the
same time it does shows Starmer in a kind of
the other use of the word positive light, in that
you know, he is proactive light. He's doing something and

(01:17:14):
countering the fusilade from America that we've had, particularly the
Munich Security Conference, which has really blown open a huge
gulf between the USA and Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Can you explain this to me, Rod, because I can't.
So this is the advance speech. He came in and
said what he said. Surely at some point somebody in
Europe said, I'll tell you what this Trump guy gets back.
It's all on because we saw it all being on
in sixteen through twenty. How has it possible Europe's been
taken by such surprise at what I would call the obvious.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
Arrogance AND's stupidity. That's the answer, and it's still going
on in America right now, regardless of a lot of
what was relevant to the heurity issue, which of course
down the line it is the Van was absolutely correct
in everything he said you know about Europe, and the

(01:18:12):
polls in Europe would suggest that it was absolutely right.
And indeed, the way that Europe has been moving in
the last five or six years, there is no question
that you know that there is a two tier policy
when it comes to dealing with people, and people who
are on the right of the political spectrum get banged

(01:18:32):
up and they get in they treatment, and parties on
the right excluded from governments and so on and so on.
All of that is absolutely true. That may not have
much to do with whether we should be supporting Ukraine
or not, and I think there are problems with the
way which the USA is proposing to go ahead with that,
But it should come as no surprise to the EU itself,

(01:18:57):
given that a good three quarter of the countries within
the EU at the moment believe the same things themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Yeah, exactly, I should have mentioned Lord Dennette, who the
other day was telling us that, you know, I mean,
you haven't got the troops anyway. It's too far rundown.
Is that all true? That the military and Britain is
so far rundown you can't do a lot even if
you wanted to.

Speaker 7 (01:19:19):
Yeah, well it's true now. But the one good thing
that may have come from from the Trump and Advance
and the various other US State Deparliament people who've spoken
about this is that it's a wake up call to Europe.
You know, for seventy years we have franchised our support,
our security to America and paid them next to nothing.

(01:19:43):
You know, thirty percent of that whole bill is paid
by America. Why should they do that, especially when they
have nothing any more ideologically in common with us? What
is a link to that? So it has become a
wake up call. I was talking to a liberal Democrat
Mpeer at the weekend, and the lib Dens have been,

(01:20:04):
you know, pretty much anti military expenditurisy, but actually a
liberal Democrat to be on the left and so on,
and this was Mike Martin, and he said, we've got
to move to three point five percent of GDP and
perhaps up to five, you know, so it is suddenly
concentrated the minds of these people who for years have

(01:20:25):
been underpaying their fair share in NATO, and suddenly to
we better do this ourselves because he's not going to
do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Yeah, exactly. Hey, listen, can I ask you a couple
of things while I've got you that are unrelated to them?
By the way, has anything tangible come out of this?
I know we've been banging on about the so called
you know, urgency and all that. Have they seen anything tonight?
I mean, has anything literally come out of this?

Speaker 17 (01:20:48):
Or not?

Speaker 13 (01:20:50):
Not yet?

Speaker 7 (01:20:51):
Though I'm still waited much as you are. I mean,
I disagree with him, but that's not point he has that.
You know, Ukraine, we stand behind Ukraine, we will put
boot to the grad, all that kind of stuff. And
David Lady has said that Ukraine is on an irreversible
path to native membership. Well, David, it doesn't look very

(01:21:13):
irreversible from where I'm spending. But there we are. At
least they are remaining true to to to what they've
said in the past. All that Europe is doing is
just it's just putting its head in the sand and screaming,
which means no one can hear it because their heads
are in the sand. It's it's it's a unique occasion.

(01:21:35):
And I think we looked back upon quite historically, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Yeah, I think this is a moment in time. I
couldn't agree with you more. Just quickly on Rachel Reeves
domestic matters. One was the expenses thing, but more importantly
when she was at the Halifax Bank of Scotland, this
CV thing where she claims to have been at the
Bank of England a lot longer than she actually was.
Is this a thing or can you just go around

(01:22:01):
saying you were at places you weren't.

Speaker 7 (01:22:05):
It's had a lot more traction than firstly I initially
thought it would, because more revelations have come out, such
as the expenses stuff. And I do wonder that we've
kind of got ourselves a custom to the CB business.
And we now know she lies. She has a problem
with the truth. Okay, that's one thing. But the more

(01:22:29):
detail that comes out about the expenses scandal, the more
precarious her position is. Because without costumes, she played fast
and loose with rules and with someone else's money.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Super uncle, all right, might go, well, catch up Thursday,
Rodin Little in Britain. By the way, there was a
poll out this morning for Sky done by YouGov Sky TV.
Torris Trial reform a whole bunch of indicators only temper
seed of voters currently see the toy is as strong.
Sixty one see them as week more than twice as likely.
See reform as having a clear direction only eleven percent.
So the toy is a trustworthy sixty five percent say

(01:23:04):
they're untrustworthy, so that's interesting as well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
And Justin from Fontierra. New incentives for farmers to reduce
some missions. So from the new season which is June one,
you got some payment for farms that achieved certain mimissions
related criteria. New cooperative difference payment one to five cents
per kilo of milk solids, New customer incentives. There's funding
from a separate agreement with Mars and Nesle, who they've
been working with for a while, so farmers will be

(01:23:37):
interested in that. Very good time to be a dairy
farmer in this country, not a good time to be
in the media. As I'm sure, you're well aware. And
one of the things that we're looking to do in
this country that's going nowhere. And I've been telling everybody
who asked me, is this going anywhere? I've said no,
it's not the idea that we somehow cut a deal
on behalf of the government too with Google, Facebook, any

(01:23:57):
pecketed big tech grant that they pay us some money
for the material they steal and put on their platforms,
news stuff like that. Now we were looking to Australia.
They had the deal that was going to work allegedly,
and now they don't because what happened yesterday is that
that's off because that would come under the broadheadline of

(01:24:19):
reciprocal tariffs. So the government has reportedly the Australian government
reportedly stalled plans to begin publicly designing its news bargaining incentive.
There will be no incentive. There is no bargaining confirm.
The delay is due to fear as the policy will
be seen as being unfairly targeting towards US companies because
of course Google, Facebook, et cetera, they're all American, result
in reciprocal tariffs on Australian experts set seeing into that

(01:24:41):
so this idea that somehow we were going to bring
big tech to the table and they were going to
be super excited about paying us some money. It was
always fancible in my humble opinion, and it's proved to
be so. Breakfast bar is a raised counter in a
kitchen that has room alongside for seating. Is used for
eating light meals. To find a like meat love the
show Mike counter Chat. Since we have kitchen islands, could

(01:25:05):
we call the counter a peninsula? That's quite good. A peninsula,
it's quite good, the isthmus. But the isth it appeals
to my sense of grandiosity?

Speaker 6 (01:25:17):
Shall we shall we adjourn to the to the supper isthmus?

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Yeah, that sounds good. It's called a waterfall, No, murray,
it's not called a waterfall. The waterfalls the other end
of it. When you've got a marble top and the
marble falls over the end and matches the vertical along
with the horizontal.

Speaker 21 (01:25:35):
As does all your crockery and stuff that you tried
to put on the end of the bench. I find
it overbalances and goes over That is that what it does?

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Do you have stuff you can't put in the dishwasher? Crockery. Yeah,
I hate that. Do you have a wife that says
you should know the difference and not to do it again?

Speaker 6 (01:25:54):
You don't want to exactly might be taken down and
use against me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
I could see that, see that colony faces. I said
that nine away from nine.

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it's going to be thirty. They're going to spend sixty
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telling you. New Clear is where it is going, and
we're going to miss the boat five to nine.

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Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
There were so many videos of the SNL fiftieth anniversary
over the weekend. Everyone who was anybody was there. The
jokes were generally funny, the skits were generally brilliant. And
this is the performance. This is Paul Simon. He first
sang at nineteen seventy six. Here's the joke. Let's get
the joke out of the way. So he first sang
at nineteen seventy six with George Harrison, but today's got

(01:27:55):
Sabrina Kappander's.

Speaker 14 (01:27:56):
Song with George Harrison on Saturday Night Live in nineteen
seventy six.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
I was not born then, and neither were my parents.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
I'm glad they're getting a chance to hear it tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
There the song itself. If you listen to watch nothing
from the fiftieth anniversary, listen to this. She particularly is brilliant.

Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
Tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
I'll send my songs again, play the game and pretend.

Speaker 11 (01:28:47):
But all.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
That to me, she's met.

Speaker 14 (01:28:55):
Aunt. I need someone to fruit me. WI share Wold,

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Let's escape.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
One music, explain solely, Please, solely, Fool.

Speaker 14 (01:29:35):
Silently, Fool, super.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
And I Love You, I Want You Sorry back tomorrow
from six Happy Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
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