Full Show Podcast: 19 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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welcome you.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Rail boats, one with a phone call, one with the ceasefire,
and tatters we got the rental market debate. Can the
middle class really not afford rent? And if so, how
come we handing out grocery vouchers to entice you? In
Mark and Jenny Politics, Wednesday, Richard Arnold, State Side, Steve Price.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
In Australia Posky.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Middle of the week, welcome to it, seven past six,
So a question for you to start off this morning.
Who's right? The rental market is like musical chairs. There's
a headline from yesterday, the rental market is like musical chairs.
Landlords are offering grocery vouchers and incentives to sign up
for rentals. But headline number two, even the middle class
are struggling to pay rent. But story number three, a

(00:49):
report I read by JB. Weir about wealth transfer, which
is actually a story in itself that upshot is we
are the seventh wealthiest country on earth. If you do
the media, I e. Half above, half below with the
fifth wealthiest. So if we're so wealthy, how come we
can't afford rent? And if we can't afford rent, how
come they're offering grocery vouchers to luris and none others?
Make sense? The answer, of course, lies in the specifics

(01:10):
of each story. The middle class line came from a
unionist they called an economist in the story, so a
man with an agenda. Obviously he cited a teacher on
sixty thousand dollars a year. Now, teachers don't earn sixty
thousand dollars a year. Will only the new ones do,
the young ones. But let's be frank, if you are
new and young and starting on those early wages, you
should be flatting. As for the voucher's story, well, that's

(01:31):
a reflection of the good news. Rentals are not rising
the way they were because of supply. Thousands more houses
are on the market. There are some more houses than punters.
So that sort of supply demand equation is good, of
course for the consumer. So if you drum up the
worst case scenario, guess what you'll find a problem closely
followed by a headline. But what of this wealth transfer
wealth interesting report. Billions is changing hands as the boomers

(01:55):
die and the kids get the inheritance. Women are disproportionately
benefiting over men. It will carry on, apparently well into
the twenty forties, and is a reminder that we are
not in fact a squalid, broke backwater that many would
make us out to be. Yes, we may well be
a low paid or low wage economy, but we are
not as economically divided as many would make out. We
are not broken, and through things like housing, vast sums

(02:17):
have been amassed and it's currently being bequeathed and left
to others. The trick is to read the detail, not
fall for the headline. Of course, can some not afford rent, Yes,
of course, but it's not the norm. That's your story.
But then that doesn't make a good headline.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
News of the World in ninety seconds, World.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
War Talk this morning. It is one in the afternoon
in Washington, eight at night in Moscow, and in the scenes.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
In fact, it's the quiet stuff that Donald Trump has
been saying out loud, is that Ukraine will have to
concede some land to Russia if there is to be
a peace deal. Will that be crimea. Will it be
more than that.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Then the other war, which isn't going so well, enter
the United Nations.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
First order is fired to be fully respected. Second for
humanitarian aids to have access to Gaza in an unimpedied
way and serve for the unconditional release of ostriches.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
The Israeli is not really buying into Antonio's thinking.

Speaker 7 (03:17):
Let me be very clear as well, We'll not stop
until all of our hostages are back home.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
On the ground, it's hard work in Gaza.

Speaker 8 (03:26):
I did six operations overnight. Half of them were in
small children, probably six in the level. Most of them
are going to go on to die unfortunately, but.

Speaker 9 (03:36):
Yeah, it's just utter carnage as usual when you drop
on sometimes.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Then a Britain dyd arrived for the government and the
welfare reformed. Billions that have been saved and fingers needed pointing.

Speaker 10 (03:45):
The consequences of this failure are there for all to see.
Millions of people who could work, trapped on benefits, denied
the income, hope, dignity and self respect. That we know,
good work.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
She's a labor minister. Toy's not impressed.

Speaker 11 (04:02):
They walked into the department with empty notebooks, all that
done in opposition is a pose.

Speaker 10 (04:09):
Instead of the hard work of coming up.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
With their own answers.

Speaker 10 (04:13):
That's why the country has had to wait another eight
months for this announcement.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
And that is news of the world in ninety seconds.
Speaking of the British politics, Sir Kimmy Badnock gave a speech.
It is her words, impossible, impossible for the UK to
meet its net zero target by twenty fifty without quote
unquote a serious drop in our living standards, or by
bankrupting us. When you're that explicit and that deliberate, one

(04:38):
wonders if the whole nit zero thing is slowly but
surely and that's before you get the Americans involved. It
is slowly but surely coming to an end. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
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Speaker 2 (04:54):
Zippy phone calling it at about half an hour ago.
We'll get the details as soon as we can. Richard
Arnold on standby. Of course, German Bundestarg voted in favor
that big debt break thing's gone. They've got the half
trillion dollars they did the deal. The vote was five
thirteen to two oh seven, half a trillion dollars a
lot of money and they don't actually have it, so
it's all debt. They needed two thirds of course, because

(05:16):
it was constitutional. Now goes to the Bundesraut, which is
the parliament that sorts out these states. That's in Germany
this morning, fifteen past six, but open am I Wealth
Andrew Callaha, good.

Speaker 8 (05:27):
Morning, very good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Dairy auction. The dairy auction looked okay but flat but okay.

Speaker 8 (05:33):
Yeah, it's no news good news.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think it is.

Speaker 7 (05:36):
So the global dairy trade auction overnight and precisely no
movement at all in the global dairy price in zero
point zero percent. The thing is, Mike Key, you've now
had three auctions in a row of relatively stable prices,
so in the middle of February minus point six, early
March minus point five and last night zero points aera.

(05:58):
But I think the key point there is exact actly
that stability. The overnight it really boiled down to a
little offset between skim milk powder which feul point four
percent and whole milk powder which was upper point two percent.
The smaller commodity players motsrella looking quite strong up five
point one percent, but up one point one percent. I
think market players or people in the industry here will

(06:20):
happily just move on. This won't impact I wouldn't have
thought on the farm gate milk price. And we've talked
regularly about the aggre sector leading us into economic recovery,
and from the out of this numbers, there's no reason
to change that story.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
No good stuff. B y D Chinese ev maker. This
charger of five minutes for four hundred k's.

Speaker 8 (06:41):
It seems fantastical, doesn't it. So we're talking electric cars now.

Speaker 7 (06:45):
I'm sort of looking at this also through the lens
of Tesla because it's been under a lot of pressure.

Speaker 8 (06:49):
The fundamentals on.

Speaker 7 (06:50):
The business, they're a little challenged at the moment in
terms of sales. You got this consumer backlash against the
company or probably more pointedly Elon Musk. They've got sale challenges,
particularly in Europe and in China, And of course it
trades on a very very extended valuation, and when you're
trading on an extended valuation, sentiment becomes very important because

(07:11):
that's the really only thing holding it up. But the
really important factor, Mike is also competition, because the competitive
environment is really heading up and yesterday clear example of this,
So build your dreams. BYD announced this key development yesterday.
As you say, Chinese listed multinational company that makes electric cars.
They have now trumped Tesla with a new system for

(07:32):
electric cars that they says will allow them to charge
your car in about the same time as it takes
you to fill your petrol car.

Speaker 8 (07:39):
So this is the super E platform.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
They say, four hundred commeters arrange in a five minute charge,
which just seems you know, seems amazing, doesn't it. But
you do need cars that support this technology. They're going
on sale next month, so you can't rock up in
your Preas or your miss and Leaf and do this.
Tesla's now Tesla's Chines shipment fell forty nine percent in

(08:02):
February from a year earlier. That's the lowest there've been
since July twenty twenty. So I don't think this is going.

Speaker 8 (08:07):
To help that. Let's have a quick look at the
share prices a year to date.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
It's Tesla down forty three percent, BYD up fifty one percent.

Speaker 8 (08:15):
There's your contrast.

Speaker 7 (08:16):
The only thing I would say, Mike, are we're just
doing the same thing again, is BYD that it's now
got a market cap of one.

Speaker 8 (08:22):
Hundred and sixty two billion US dollars.

Speaker 7 (08:25):
That's more than the combined value of Ford, GM and
VW combined. So are we just repeating the same exercise
with a different company.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
We'll have to wait and see.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
All right, bring us on to the land. The rural
confidence that's got to be up, doesn't it.

Speaker 8 (08:39):
Yeah, Look as this is back to the farmers.

Speaker 7 (08:40):
And so we've seen the good prices for dry general
and a key issue here, look really looks that they're
going to get two seasons at though high high prices.
So you get this wonderful boost of confidence rather back
producer rural Confidence Index. The third consecutive quarterly lift in
rural confidence.

Speaker 8 (08:57):
Ain't no stopping them now, Mike.

Speaker 7 (08:59):
And as said agrisector leading us into economic recovery, which
is a wonderful thing. This confidence is lifted on the
back of improved sentiment though here's the key point among
sheep and beef farmers, so they're feeling the love as
well so of the positive farms out there. This optimism
being driven of course by higher commodity prices and also
falling interest rates. Look, farmers expectations for their own businesses

(09:22):
they were backed slightly from last quarter but remained pretty strong.
So then that's plus forty four from plus thirty four,
second highest reading in the last decade. Fifty two percent
of farmers are now expecting the performance of the broader
agri economy to prove to improve in the year ahead.
The only point of interest I saw in the survey,
mic is that dairy farmers are getting a little worried.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
They're just getting a little worried about this is.

Speaker 7 (09:46):
About their own performance, and it seems that dry where
the tariff's government policy of their tempering confidence.

Speaker 8 (09:52):
But the good times just keep rolling on out there.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Mike, I like it, give me some numbers.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
So we're sitting around waiting to listen to Jensen Ung
talk who's the bottle of Nvidio? And that could be
pivotal for the short term confidence in the mag seven.
But at the moment, the Dow Jones is down three
hundred and seventy nine points. That's point nine percent forty
one thousand, four hundred and sixty three. The S and
P five hundred down just over one percent, five six

(10:17):
one five. Then that's like under more pressure. It's down
just under three hundred points. One point six seven percent
seventeen thousand, five hundred and nine the mark there Overnight,
the forts one hundred gained point two nine percent eight
seven oh five. The nick was up over one percent
three seven eight four five. Shanghai compset gained four three
four two nine. The AUSSI yesterday gained six points quiet

(10:39):
day there seven eight six. Unfortunately, we lost three coars
of percent on the NSCs fifty down eighty nine points
twelve seventy six. Kiwi dollar continues to be strong above
fifty eight cents against the US dollar point five eight
one three point nine one four four Ossi point five
three one five uro point four four seven three against
the pound eighty six point eight Twosian.

Speaker 8 (11:00):
Gold three thousand and.

Speaker 7 (11:03):
Thirty six dollars more that glitters is definitely gold at
the moment and breakthrough seventy dollars and forty nine secs.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
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as airbnbs, and the government, which is socialist of course,
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(12:09):
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Montenegro runs the place. He's the Prime Minister, Louis Montenegro,
so they thought he was a bit dodgy. Announced a

(12:31):
parliamentary inquiry, so the government put forward a confidence vote.
They lost at one forty two to eighty eight, so
they are now heading for elections in May six, twenty five.

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she did. Chris McDonald, Lire all back as Happy Virginia
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(14:01):
Bryson de Chambeau, John Daley, and Travis Kelcey. And it's
out on Netflix on the twenty fifth of July. Now
disturbing report, although probably not a surprise, and we'll talk
about education in just a moment. Eleven percent of sixteen
to nineteen year olds are not in training. And now,
why in this country we allow people to leave school.
Nothing wrong with leaving school, but to leave school not

(14:24):
to go into training or be an education or a job.
How we allow this to happen. I've got no idea,
but we do so anyway, the eleven percent of sixteen
to nineteen year olds are in that particular position. There
are more of them than there are that go into
work based training. So how insane is all of that?
So a new report from the New Zealand Initiative out
on that. Michael Johnston will be with us directly after

(14:45):
the news which is next Winston Peters later in the morning, Posters,
Marco Rubio meeting as well here at newstalks. It'd be.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
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Speaker 2 (15:04):
Be but the phone called and sound great movement to
peace will begin with an energy and infrastructure ceasefire. Only
there will be technical negotiations on the implementation of a
maritime seaesfire that's in the Black Sea, and negotiations will
begin immediately in the Middle East. So initially they've agreed
to just infrastructure and energy that's from the US from
the Russians. They've expressed mutual interest in normalizing relations. There's

(15:28):
a prisoner swap one hundred and seventy five prisoners on
each side was also agreed. They've agreed to hand over
twenty three gravely wounded Ukrainian soldiers. The halt strikes on
the Ukrainian energy infrastructure have been agreed as well. That's
about it. So what Trent does is either sell it
as a success, which it isn't Ori imposes something on

(15:49):
Russia to get them back to the table. But Richard
Arnold Shortley twenty two to seven, being time back here
a new report this morning that suggests we need overhaul
of the apprenticeship system. Nearly twice as many school leaders
fall into unemployment compete to those in the workplace learning.
I mean, how on earth did this happen? New Zealand
Initiative Education Research fellow Michael Johnston's whether it's Michael, very

(16:10):
good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (16:11):
Good morning Mike.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
So eleven percent sixteen to nineteen year olds not in
training or anything, six percent go to work based training.
How does that work? Why do we allow that to happen?

Speaker 13 (16:22):
Well, it's not so much. What we allow to happen
is what we incentivize and what we put in front
of young people. The fact is that university education has
much higher status in New Zealand than apprenticeship training. That
can trusts really strongly with countries like Germany, which has
half of its young people leaving school going straight into apprenticeships.

(16:45):
We need to do much more at various levels of
the system to bring together apprenticeship training into a coherent
system so that young people are aware of its existence
and also see it as a high status option.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
When I was at school, and it's a long time ago,
the Dunce class, or what we called the Dunce class,
they were the kids who were identified as they weren't
going to university, they traped off to the local factory
to look at factory work. Is that the sort of
thing we need to go back to. In other words,
give them options and open doors for them to see
what's out there.

Speaker 13 (17:16):
Well well, seeing apprenticeship training as a being for the
kids who don't cope for the academic part. As part
of the problem. We need to rearrange the system so
that young people, regardless of their background and propensities, look
at apprenticeship training as a viable option. It shouldn't just

(17:38):
be for the kids who are judged not to be
good at a kind of normal schoolwork.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
And so how does that work. Does the school need
to change the ratitude, or does education need to change
the ratitude, or does industry need to get into schools
and go here's what engineering is, and here are all
the availabilities to you.

Speaker 13 (17:55):
Yeah, kind of all of the above. So you know,
one thing that we can do is bring together existing
schemes for secondary school into a coherent system. And I'm
talking about the provisions under Youth Guarantee. So there's great
stuff there, like trade academies that allows young people to

(18:16):
have a dual enrollment at school and at a tertiary institution,
the gateway funding and the vocational pathways that give kind
of assessment options for pathways into apprenticeships. So that's kind
of school level stuff. And then we have to look
at the way apprentices are paid to incentivize businesses to

(18:39):
take more of them on. So I'm talking about a
graduated apprenticeship wage so that they get less at first
and more later. Maybe a bonding system to encourage employers
to take more.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
See what you're telling me, Michaels. I mean, with all
due respect to you, it is fairly obvious. Do we
want to do this? Is that part of the problem
we haven't thought about it, or we have thought about
it but can't be bothered, or I mean none of
this seems hard.

Speaker 13 (19:06):
Well, it requires joined up thinking from secondary to tertiary
and for the training institutions to the businesses to the schools.
So it's a matter of coordinating bringing the pieces together,
and I guess that is politically difficult. It requires moving
some funding around probably, and in times as we have

(19:31):
at the moment where the government has no spare money,
they have to do it in a budget neutral way.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, interesting. All right, Michael, appreciate your time. Michael Johnson
the report by the New Zealand Initiative. He's an education
research fellow. Let's go to the States in just a
couple of moments. Get the update nineteen two.

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for God's sake, we're still talking about the lack of
a centralized apprenticeship program that's well resourced and coherent, buten
literally talking about it for years. I agree. I couldn't

(20:56):
agree with you more, Mike. The EtCO apprenticeship programs a
joe it incentivisers set up to not qualify them and
to make money for them as long as possible. Might
check out the Trades Academy at one Tree Hill College
that's in Auckland. All SCHO schools should be doing this Gateway.
I liked one of ours went to Gateway or through
the Gateway program, thought they were going to be an
early childhood educator, spent some time in a preschool, decided

(21:18):
they didn't, which is a shame for preschool. But nevertheless,
at least it got you out there, so it's not
like we haven't done it or tried it. It just
doesn't appear to be working.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
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peace of mind for New Zealand business, which.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Did oudside morning. What do you make so but underwhelming this.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Call so far?

Speaker 15 (21:40):
Yeah, President Trump course talked up this telephone chat with Putin,
said Trump before the call took place.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Good to see if we can work in peace agreement
to ceasfire and peace, and I think we'll.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Be able to do well.

Speaker 15 (21:52):
This was the call where Trump said he would get
the criminals' response to the seafire plane that Ukraine already
under pressure, is signed on for with Ukraine. Zelensky accusing
Putin of storing how long does it take? Putin say yes,
he said, so, it's not that, is it. The first
readout says an initial ceasefire would be for energy issues.
That'd be a starting point. The two then agreed there
would be benefits from renewed US Russia contacts. The extent

(22:16):
of that, well, that's unclear as well. So far, there
is also talk of a prisoner exchange involving some hundred people. Aside,
further negotiations would take place through continuing diplomacy so these
are not the security and territorial issues.

Speaker 16 (22:30):
Are they?

Speaker 15 (22:30):
Putin was late for the phone call, which began nearly
two hours out of the expected time. Putin, of course
notorious for such diplomatic games. You know, back when Ungela
Merkel was German Chancellor, she was terrified of dogs at
Putin brought his dog into the Kremlin meeting room to
scare her, said Merkel. Nothing of the kind, said Putin.

Speaker 16 (22:48):
Sure.

Speaker 15 (22:48):
Meantime, Putin is said to be demanding that the US
stop will armshipments to Ukraine, along with other big conditions.
So the question is what will Trump do if Putin
repudiates the Trump effort on those main counts. We are
yet to find. Trump also busy on another front. As
the head of the U. S. Supreme Court, Chief Justice
John Roberts has slammed a Trump calls for the impeachment
of judges who rule against him. The Chief Justice saying

(23:11):
in a rare written statement, quote impeachment is not an
appropriate response for disagreement concerning a judicial decision. He says,
the normal appellate process exists for that purpose. This relates
to the Trump move to expel some one hundred and
thirty Venezuelans that the US claims, without a lot of
evidence being given, claims they are gang members. They were
sent to El Salvador, which is established some of the

(23:31):
most severe prisons on earth. A federal judge ordered a
whold of these deportations, but three aircraft went off to
El Salvador anyway, two or in flight when the judge's
order was given. Trump is doing this using a seventeen
to eighty eight law that applies to wartime conditions, and Trump,
in a social media post called the judge a quote
troublemaker and agitator who should be impeached. Trump aids also

(23:54):
are railing over this, says Trump's borders are Tom Homan.

Speaker 12 (23:58):
Or not stopping.

Speaker 13 (24:00):
I don't care what the judges think.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I don't care the lap thanks were coming.

Speaker 15 (24:03):
Don't care what judges think. Really, while Trump, inside of
Stephen Miller also is ranting about the judge.

Speaker 8 (24:09):
He didn't know what damn thing.

Speaker 16 (24:10):
He didn't care about the lives of those officers.

Speaker 13 (24:12):
He didn't care about the national security of this country.

Speaker 15 (24:15):
So that's the fire storm the Chief justice is entering
in the so called democracy. When just the other day,
when Trump was addressing the Congress. He patted the head
of the Supreme Court chief and thanked the Chief Justice,
adding he wouldn't forget what he has done. That seemed
like Trump thanking the highest judge in the country for
writing the immunity decision that saved Trump for potential jail

(24:35):
time in the federal election interference case. Trump now says no, no, no,
he wasn't referring to criminal immunity for US presidents, but
was merely thanking him for delivering the oath of office
when Trump was sworn in.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Okay, a win splashed down a bit.

Speaker 15 (24:50):
Over four hours. We're talking about this crew, these two
American astronaut Sunny Williams and Butch Wilmore, who had their
original eight day mission extended just a little right nearly
nine months. They've been up on the International Space Station.
There was a problem with their SpaceX capsule. Now they're
coming home on a SpaceX dragon ship and set to

(25:10):
land in a short time. Sonny Williams short sounded relieved
when their rescue ship arrived earlier today. Here's what she
had to say. It was a wonderful day.

Speaker 10 (25:20):
Great to see our friends arrive.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
So thank you so much.

Speaker 15 (25:24):
You could hear it in the voice. They climbed aboard
the dragon craft, which then began it's seventeen hour return flights.

Speaker 17 (25:30):
Sonny Williams and Butch Wilmore began their pleaded trip.

Speaker 15 (25:33):
You know, when they get back, they'll undergo a lot
of medical tests before they can reunite with families. That's
because zero gravity effects almost every part of a human body.
You get one third less muscle after just two weeks
up in space. With long stint like this, you lose
some bone mass, Your eyesight gets blurry, your head balloons
a little bit, You get what they call chicken legs.
Your heart and immune system are affected. Also, NASA's saying,

(25:55):
after some time back on Earth, you recover mostly.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Okay, Richard and Onnild back on Friday on the program.
By the way, very good piece reprinted in the Herald
yesterday from the New York Times by Kristen Salters Anderson,
who's a polster, looking at why Trump's and trouble pole
wise and concludes that basically the number one issue is
the economy. It was always the economy, and they don't
understand what he's trying to do with tariffs, and all

(26:18):
they see is everything going up in price and also
around expectation. What they thought he was about and what
he is about appear to be increasingly two different things.
So that's well worth a read if you're following such matters.
Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
The Mike asking breakfast with Alveda retirement Communities News Togs
had been.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right, so Trump is a bit stuck on this. It
was emphasized. This is the readout from the Kremlin. It
was emphasized that the key condition for preventing escalation of
the conflict and working towards its resolution by political diplomatic means,
et cetera, should be the complete cessation of foreign military
aid and the provision of intelligence information to keep it.
In other words, turn off the intelligence that's not happening.
I'm assuming it's not happening. In connection with Trump's recent

(26:57):
appeal to save the lives of Ukrainian serviceman surrounded the
Curse region, this is what Trump was talking about yesterday
when he was at the Kennedy Center. Putin confirmed that
the Russian side is ready to be guided by humanitarian
considerations and in the event of surrender, guarantees the lives
of the Ukrainian Armed Force soldiers and decent treatment in accordance
with Russian laws and international law, which I think are

(27:19):
probably two completely different things. The call was concluded, and
this hasn't been widely reported. This is why the show
is so good at what it does. Donald Trump supported
Vladimir Putin's idea to organize hockey matches in the US
and Russia between Russian and American players and the NHL
and the KHL.

Speaker 8 (27:36):
Oh, there you go.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
It wasn't a vast after all. It was exactly so
they got the hockey sort. Thank god for that. Five
minutes away from seven.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
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Has common since finally come to streaming. From today, if
you've got Amazon Prime, you'll be able to access Apple
TV as an add on. So you're on Prime, you
go straight to Apple. You're still going to pay for
it fourteen ninety nine a month, but it means you
don't have to download another wrap on your TV or
switch between screaming. So what Amazon now offer as well
as Apples all that other streaming stuff they put up
a couple of months ago. They got MGM plus and

(28:11):
Lionsgate and Hayu and crunchy Roll and dock Play and
all that. It's also slightly weird, and I'm going to
confuse myself. Here's a little bit weird because Prime links
from the Apple TV home screen, so Apple I actually
did it first, but Prime of copy them. So whatever
that means, it doesn't really matter. All it means is
you get Apple on Prime. So there is a free
v Also they're offering at the moment to tempt you
New Zealand customers get seven days free trial for any

(28:33):
Amazon add on subscriptions. Although having said that, I tried that.
I went to watch Over the Summer, the Paul Simon documentary,
and that was on doc Play, But then to get
onto dock Play, I had to then start signing up
and giving details of my name and address. And I've
got stories about.

Speaker 16 (28:49):
That for you.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Before seven thirty this morning. I had a run in
with one New Zealand yesterday, which isn't really a streamer.
They are a telco, but they are to do with tech,
and anything to do with tech really gets up my
nose and head and does my head in and it's
sort of ruined my day. But more on that later,
but anyway, so if you want the three trial b
where be worn, four warned is fore arms, rolling stone,
gathers no moss and all those other things. Now the

(29:12):
war times too, So first of all, what do we
make of this phone call as far as they can
work out to bust for Trump, he's not delivered on
this or anywhere close to it. What happens next? Then
the Middle East the ceasefires off. But then again didn't
we say that was going to happen, because it happened
about one hundred and fifty times over, So we'll deal
with that. Then we've got politics Wednesday with Mark Mitchell,
who is in India by the way, so he'll be

(29:34):
coming in from India in the early hours of the
morning along with Ginny Ands. And that's after way on
the my hosting vision.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
The only report you need to start your day the
mic casting breakfast with the range Rover, the LA designed
to intrigue and use.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Togsda'd be seven past seven. So a couple of days
ago on the Air Force one back to Washington, we
were talking about land power plants and debiding up certain assets.
That was going to be the phone call where the
phone calls come and gone, it seems to who have
had limited success. A non resident senior fellow at the
Center for European Policy Analysis said, with Lucas has with
us on, they said good morning to you, Good morning mate.

(30:09):
What do you make of what we've heard so far?

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Well, it's pretty thin pickings. Really. The thing that struck
me most was not the call, but what happened beforehand,
when Putin was on some live panel as a conference
and the moderator said, aren't you meant to be having
your call with Trump just now? And the sort of
widespread laughter because of Putin's famous weaponized unpunctuality. So I

(30:35):
do feel that he's showing the respects to Trump that
Pump shows to Putin, and perhaps the rather thin pickings
out of the call reflect that in.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
The sense of what we've got specifically, in other words,
until they cut off for intelligence, until they cut off
aid we're not talking or going any further. Was that
always expected from Russia and therefore we shouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I think that the what we expect from Russia is
to spin things out and to try and and then
bog things down. So the thing that leaped out at
me was the idea of a maritime ceasefire in the
Black Sea. Now, is that cover for Russia being able
to get its neighbor out of its navy out of
the little corner of the Black Sea it's retreated to

(31:19):
because of Ukrainian drones. That would be quite a bad
thing if it means that Russia won't attack grain shits
coming in and out of a death So that's a
good thing. The second thing that really struck me was
the need to stop proliferation of strategic weapons. Now that's
presumably a reference to the way in which European countries feel,

(31:41):
pretests scared about the loss of the American neutral umbrella,
and there's a lot of discussion in Europe about what
we could do with British or French nukes and whether
other countries are going to need nukes too. So that's
a sign that Russian's notice about that. And the third
thing that struck me was this idea that there was
a huge upside to an improved bilateral relationship to the

(32:02):
Americans and Russians. And that shows me to me that
the Americans are willing to cut the Europeans loose and
go for what they think is a good deal with
Russia and hang the rest of US.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
I was just going to ask about you, where does
that leave them? And can I now argue that Sea
told you Putent doesn't want peace.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
I think it leaves the E on the sidelines really
for now, because it just shows that the dynamic is
what we've always feared here in Europe, is that the
negotiations will be about us, but without us, and that
really is what's going on. This war in Ukraine isn't
just an invasion of Ukraine. It's a kind of an
attempt by Putin to be set the whole idea of
European security and the idea that European countries can choose

(32:47):
who their allies and alliances are going to be, and
that's now being decided over our heads. So I think
that the next thing probably is that the Europeans are
going to be pushing back on this and saying to
the Ukrainians, look, we've got your back, dir't be bullied,
don't be bullied. And the gap across the Atlantic, then
he's going to get wider and wider.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Okay, it would appreciate the insight very much here, but
Lucas non residency and you fell out at the center
of a European policy analysis. Will get him back on
the program, because this thing's going nowhere fast. Ten minutes
past seven last one time the other war, of course,
as well as launched these new strikes and Gaza negotiations.
For the past couple of weeks, we've gone nowhere. Of course,
the international geopolitical analyst Jeffrey Miller is back with us.
Jeffrey morning, Good morning. Mind. This does have the same old,

(33:30):
same old feel about it, isn't It wasn't very hard
to predict that Phase two probably wasn't going to be
a thing and the bombs would start falling again. Where
does this go? Do you reckon?

Speaker 18 (33:39):
Yes?

Speaker 19 (33:39):
Look, the surprise really was that the cease file lasted
as long as it did, almost two whole months, and
it was a success. It took Gaza off the front
pages for around eight weeks and we started looking at
tariffs and back to the war in Ukraine. But now
we're back at square one and it was the deadiest
twenty four hour period in the war since November twenty
twenty three. We have a four hundred kil It's a

(34:01):
desperately sad situation and we absolutely need to keep applicating
for that ceasfire to be resumed, because it's now looking
increasingly grim. Israel's Defense minister is promising the gates as
hell will open if Hamas does not release the remaining
twenty four hostages, and it could go from bad to words.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Is Israel right, give us the hostages and we've got
a deal and they haven't handed over the hostages.

Speaker 19 (34:27):
Well, look, the devil is always in the detail. There
has been some real success with the CSIRE since January,
you've had twenty five hostages released alive. I think the
correct approach would have been to continue negotiating and the
talks we're on going. The official first day of the
CSIRE ended in the start of March and since then
we've been in a holding period. But negotiations broke down

(34:49):
and Doha at the weekend over the extension of the ceasfire.
Hamas wanted to move into phase two, Israel wanted to
extend phase one. And now Israel has just gone and
with military approach. It's been greenlit by Donald Trump. So
Donald Trump deserves a lot of the credit for bringing
that ceestire about in January, but he also deserves the
blame now for allowing this to happen, and ultimately the

(35:11):
only way through now here is through Donald Trump. Donald
Trump was incredibly powerful. We saw how Joe Biden was
very impotent when it came to Gaza and Nettagnard, who
did what he pleased. Trump does hold all the cards,
as he might say on Gaza at the moment.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
All right, Jeffrey, appreciate it, Jeffrey Miller, international geopolitical analyst.
But he won't be feeling particularly good about the phone calling.
He might be a bit stretched. I mean, there's only
so many things you can promise and eventually you got
to deliver. Thirteen minutes past seven tasking Lornie, Mike, I'm
a trade employer. This is a good conversation. Back to
our six thirty interview this morning about the number of
kids sixteen to nineteen year olds. Eleven percent of them
just leave school to go nowhere. I'm a trade employer.

(35:48):
There was an apprenticeship boost, but that was cut last year.
There's not enough employers taking on apprentices It's the same
employers taking on the apprentices then they get poached by
another company in the fourth year. Four more money, Mike,
I'm sixty four. If I had my life over again,
I'd be a pastry ship. Being at a private school
and supposedly bright. I was automatically streamed into the Latin
and French, which I was good at, but it didn't
help me plan a career. It's so true, isn't it.

(36:10):
The education system does need to change, the apprenticeship system
needs to change, industry needs to get into schools, and
so it goes quickly. New rental information. We've been talking
about that as well this morning Fairbon feb. This is
from trade Me. Rents are down in Auckland two point
nine percent. They're down on Hawks Bay, they're down in Wellington,
they're down in Northland, but they're up in Canterbury, up

(36:31):
in Otago and up in Southland. So it gives you,
once again sort of nothing seems to look up, a little, down,
a little, depending on where you're looking. Six six sixty
is the average in Auckland. Six point eighty is the
average in the Bay of Plenty. I'm just looking for
Wellington because they're claiming to be the most expensive place
in the country, but they haven'tlisted Wellington. Oh here it
is six sixty five, So those are your that's your

(36:52):
rental update for this Wednesday morning, fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
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Speaker 15 (37:02):
A'd be.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Mike, what is Canterbury's average rent? Please? The answer is
five hundred and eighty dollars and it's up fairbon fab
by two point seven percent. Mike. I think it's been
you being a bit tough on Trumpet because they have
a form of ceasefire. That's true. Biden certainly couldn't get
anywhere close. That's also true. But the point is, if
you're going to play the Grant Robertson game of I
found somebody just spectacularly useless, so I'm a little bit

(37:25):
better than them. I don't play that game. He said
he'd fixed the war day one. He hasn't done it,
and this hasn't gone well for him seventeen past seven. Now,
as we said at the start of the show, depends
on any given day who you listen to and who
you believe to. On housing, see one unionist yesterday telling
us the middle class can't afford rent, while an agent
tells us grocery vouchers are being offered to get renters
into houses. No shortage of houses. Rentals in Auckland alone

(37:48):
are up thirty four percent on last year. Now. The
Residential Property Managers Association chair is Tony Mitchell is with us. Tony,
very good morning to you. Good morning Mike. Is it
a renter's market right.

Speaker 19 (38:01):
At the minute?

Speaker 16 (38:01):
Yes, there are more properties on the market than there
is for our demand.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
The level of variation depending on which part of the
market or the country, or the city or the suburb
you're looking at, is it vast or not.

Speaker 16 (38:12):
Well, Look, I do think you need to take into
consideration not only the part of the country, but also
departs of the city because whilst rental prices have come
back probably from August twenty twenty four through to now,
it hasn't come back in some areas within Auckland. If
you look at some of the suburbs just on the
city fringe, they are still strong. But if you look

(38:34):
at it out west, if you look at out south,
those prices have certainly dropped. But we are seeing that
throughout New Zealand as well. But we do expect that
to only be a temporary thing because the underlying factors
for demand are quite strong. So you've still got strong
immigration as well. Coming through are.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
The rule changes around being a landlord, helping or hindering broadly.

Speaker 16 (38:57):
Look, I think in general they're a very positive things
and it will help making properties available. But the underlying
factors that have caused the oversupply, it's not due to
the changes that the government's put in place. It's mostly
due to the large number of new builds that have
hit the market.

Speaker 13 (39:15):
Plus also tends.

Speaker 16 (39:16):
Have been a little bit more conservative with making changes
because in the cost of living has gone up and
they are being very cautious about committing. We've also seen
some layoffs. I know you mentioned Wellington before you know Wellington.
The feedback from rental property managers and businesses down there
is that the layoffs within government has had an impact
as well. So it does vary. As you said, christ

(39:39):
Church is still strong, but they have had a good
supply of rental properties since the earthquakes, since the rebuilds,
so they haven't had the spikes in price inflation.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Great stuff, Tony, appreciate your insight. Tony Mitchell, Residential Property
Managers Association Chairperson. We've been doing a little bit of
work on a rental at the moment and we're going
to put it on the market again shortly, and the
person who's in charge of the renovation, who may or
may not be a member of my family, decided not
to put the new doorknobs on. She's not up saving money.

(40:12):
There's no new doorknobs. So I'm just saying, if you
you know, if we don't let it could be the doorknobs.

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Rents reflect a two speed economy recovering in the country.
Can it be an Otago Southland on a tear rents
going up, Wellington Auckland foundering rents going down. It's not

(41:33):
a bad pointed so we don't think you might have something
there right seven twenty three I dealt with one New
Zealand yesterday. I wouldn't recommend it. In the dealing is
a lot of what's wrong with the modern world, which,
due to its incompetence, actually isn't all that modern at all.
I'd received a text saying a payment was overdue. This
will have been I thought impossible, given the payment is

(41:54):
automatic and it's linked to my credit card, and it
has been this way for decades, so I thought that'll
be a scam. There's a lot of scamming going on.
I get another text today or so later. Ah, definitely
a scam. Then I get a call from an eight
hundred number. I ignore it. I don't answer numbers. I don't
recognize it's one New Zealand. They leave the message. They
tell me to ring back. I ring back. I'm put

(42:15):
on hold. If you don't have time. They tell me
to be on hold, hang up and we will text
you all the details. I hang up. There is no text.
I ring back, I'm on hold. Finally a person a
person in another country using English, but only just are
you owe us money? I say it's automatic, It's been

(42:37):
automatic forever. I don't know what to do, she says,
I see, the payment is due the eighteenth. Today was
the eighteenth, so it may be paid today. Why are
you ringing in text to me? Then I say, she
does know what to say. I ask whether the solves
the problem. She says it might do if the payment
is made. I ask what if it isn't. She says,

(42:59):
I will owe her money. I say, I don't know
what you want me to do. Can you see my
account the bank I use. Can you see anything that
is going on? She says she can't. So I ask
why are you bringing me and texting me? She says
because I owe her money. I ask if she is oversea?
She says, yes, she is. The call I was informed
at the start of the call is being recorded for

(43:20):
training purposes. I assume that must have started yesterday, because
there is no evidence of training anywhere at this particular
point in time. After several pauses, she says, Okay, thank you,
I said for what. She says goodbye? Is my bill paid?
I don't know. Will they text me again? I don't know.
Is it possibly a scam? Could be? Will it be

(43:42):
a better experience because someone got trained? I doubt it was.
That fifteen minutes of my life I will never get back.
What do you think? Pasking now? Very good news. We
had Peter Gordon on the program last week and he
bought his balls in and I tasted one, absolutely del
there was We had a discussion off here. I probably

(44:04):
shouldn't say this, but he's a little little side scoop.
The point of me telling you the story is that
he was going to the meatball Festival and Hastings over
the weekend and he won it. Now, he was a
special guest at the meatball festival, so immediately the question
is was it rigged. You ow't avite special guest rigged

(44:24):
contest walks away with the best ball.

Speaker 18 (44:26):
And you know what they say about meatball festivals.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I certainly do, glend and I can't repeat it on
the radio. Anyway, I'm glad he won because it was
a fantastic meatball. But he told us the ingredients, and
one of the ingredients was nutmeg, and I tasted it
and they had a little bit of the yogurt and
it had some some pickle and had a lot going on.

(44:50):
And he said, I said, I said, I can't really
taste the nutmeg. He goes, it's interesting you should say that.
Because we were doing the taste testing the night before,
we can do the nutmeg. So he's gonna up the
nutmeg by the time he got the hastings. So anyway,
it all worked out well and Peter Gordon makes the
best meat balls in the country, as tasted here first
on The mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
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Speaker 1 (45:15):
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Speaker 2 (45:22):
If you want to get ahead of the rest of us,
read Richard Prebble's piece this morning in the Herald about
the lunch program. It is so funny and yet so true. Also,
if I get time, I'll get this. There's a building
that Chris Bishop's got involved with as the minister. But
a building was denied permission and the reasons. It's everything
that's wrong with New Zealand. Meantime, Mike A meatballs the

(45:45):
same as results. Good question, Mike. Normally I agree with
your opinions and congratulate you for voicing them. But today
your comment about the dumb kids leaving school while the
smart one's going to university was short sighted and maybe offensive.
I don't think I said it that bluntly, but and
I certainly didn't mean it. If I didn't, I apologize
for that. But what I meant was when I was
at school, we had the Dunce class, and that's what

(46:06):
it was called. And the Dunce class wandered off, and
I was the only reason I remember it so distinctly
is I was sure I was in the Dunce class,
and I couldn't work out why I was to yeh,
why I wasn't going down to the local factory because
it was the local Muns factory down from Limbood High
and the Edmunds factory was just literally down the road.
And I thought, man, what I would give to go

(46:27):
down to the Edmuns factory and have a look at
the Inmuns factory because I was off doing something other
that I didn't want to do. So they sent them
off to give them an insight into what life was
like in a factory or a trade or working and
I thought that was a good way to do it,
because all the rest of us were told that unless
we got UI, we couldn't go to university, and if
we didn't go to university, we'd amount to nothing, blah
blah blah. So it's just an ongoing, long standing thing

(46:49):
that's been stuck in education for years that somehow your
channeled automatically into university and if you don't go to university,
there's something wrong with you. So I'm the antithesis of that.

Speaker 18 (46:59):
My one was called the Tree Transition to Work Class,
Yeah exactly. And so for four days of the six
day school timetable. You actually went out on.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Work experience and look what happened to you.

Speaker 18 (47:10):
And so they asked me what I would like to
do for my work experience because other people in the
class were doing things like cleaning out the inside of
septic tanks, you know, helping out it old people's homes,
that sort of thing. And I said, I'd like to
be a musician, please.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
And did you yes?

Speaker 8 (47:25):
And are you no?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
No? Twenty one minutes away from mates Mark Mitchell's and India,
staying up late and Jimmy Anderson is not in India,
and we'll be just getting up at the normal time.
But that makes it sound just a little more exciting,
doesn't it. Politics Wednesday coming shortly. Interesting picture is emerging
around retail crime. Speaking of Mark Mitchell, overall reported incidents

(47:50):
are plateauing, but there is a fourteen percent rise and
threatening or intimidating behavior and eleven percent jump and serious
and violent behavior. It's more brazen and organized. Apparently this
data comes to is from a raw I hope I'm
saying that right. The retail crime reporting software. Anyway, the
co founder and bosses Phil Thompson said, we'll find out film.
I saying that, right, Good morning, Mike. It's Aura Aura

(48:12):
as in the Ring.

Speaker 8 (48:15):
Sure, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Know the Aura Ring. Haven't you got Anura ring? Everyone's
got Anura ring with you?

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, Now that what I've taken from your stats is
that this is the hard core. So in other words,
all the opportunists, the people who just you know, take
their starlet and smash it into a window, they've gone.
Now because the government's cracked down, what's left of the
hard core? Is that fair or not?

Speaker 8 (48:37):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 9 (48:38):
We're seeing you repeat offenders are still causing the majority
of crime and retail stores, and those people are four
times more likely to be violent or aggressive in carrying
out those senses as well. So yeah, it's it's concerning
because this is our frontline. Retail workers have are being
abused and threatened with weapons day and day out.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
What's your breakdown and term if you've got one in
terms of industry, geographic location, that you've got any patterns
there or not.

Speaker 9 (49:05):
Unfortunately, it's right across every retail store.

Speaker 12 (49:08):
You know.

Speaker 9 (49:08):
This is just what our retail workers have to deal
with every day. And now we're talking about our kids,
families and friends who are actually working in these stores.
It's not the faceless supermarket giants or retail conglomerates. It's
actually our frontline retail workers who are being threatened with weapons.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Are we in a sort of a stuck position now,
because part of the answer was, you know, you'd have
an alarm or you have a body cam or whatever
the case may be. Are these the sort of people
with their knives and stuff that don't really care about
that stuff.

Speaker 9 (49:37):
Yeah, retails and places to do a great job at
really focusing on those repeat defenders and retail crime generally.
But you're right, it's people who are using this now
as a tactic to get out of stores. And you know,
one of the most recent examples, you know, someone when
they'll stop said, I'm just going to reach into my
bag and pull out a knife, you know, and you
don't want that when you're dealing with that as a
security god, a retail worker. But you know, this is

(49:59):
a trend with se globally as well around violence.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I'm also assuming the police are rounding them up. And
the last time we had this major discussion post COVID is,
of course, you know, the police resources were an issue,
and you know, rounding them up and doing something with
them judicially was an issue. Is it a small number
of people getting smaller or not?

Speaker 9 (50:18):
Yeah, Look, there is the highlights I suppose is that
retailers are capturing this information and reporting it through to
the police, and so there are is action being taken.
And to your point, it is you know a small
number of people who are doing this, but unfortunately that
doing this as their full time job, often going store
to store and like I said, using violence now as

(50:38):
a tactic.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Okay, good on your feel nice to talk to you
appreciate it. Phil Thompson, who's Aura CEO and co founder,
I would look, I would ask him whether he's got
some sort of you know, issue with the Aura ring.

Speaker 18 (50:53):
Well, when you say that everybody's got an Aura ring,
everyone's got an Aura ring. I know that. I know
that you know one person who has no, No, he's
the one person I know who has no no.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Look look at ESPN, Look at ESPN internationally. Everybody's got
around in New Zealand there they're a bit cutting edge, still,
you reckon.

Speaker 18 (51:11):
Well, no, it's just that there are lots of different
brands of small.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Aura was the original though wasn't it, And they updated
in the interesting thing I found out about the Ura ring.
And I may or may not be speaking from personal experience.
Here were a person I know, but the thing's.

Speaker 18 (51:27):
The same person was responsible for the interior design of
the ring tool that left the knobs off the doors.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
But the thing about it is is that you become
reliant on the information in the morning. So if you
don't know what we're talking about, which wouldn't be the
first time on this program, in the morning you get
just endless amounts of data as to how you sleep went,
how your day went, and your blood pressure and your
heart rate and your sleep patterns and your deep sleep
and all that sort of stuff. But it's developing technology,

(51:53):
and what happens is that people become very reliant and
they go, oh, I got to ninety two or I
got an eighty seven, and oh my god, my day's
over and I can't function anymore because the number is
not right and the line is read and it's not blue,
and I need to change my life, and so it
goes on. So I think we're becoming slightly slavish to
technology that may or may not be because my understanding
of the Aura Ring. The original material around it was

(52:15):
you were supposed to be a sort of a thirty
five year old, So it's all leveraged off a thirty
five year old and a bit of an athlete. So
if you're a thirty five year old athlete, you'll find
yourself doing remarkably well. If you're not a thirty five
year old athlete, it'll be giving you information that you
may or may not find beneficial or useful.

Speaker 14 (52:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (52:30):
I mean, I've tried the Samsung Galaxy Ring, which is
a similar sort of the thing.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Did it tell you to what and move faster?

Speaker 18 (52:37):
What happens is you wake up in the morning less
and you think, oh, that was a terrible night sleeper,
and yet's terrible, and then you look it up in
the app and it goes, yep, no, you're right, that
was terrible.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Here is your energy score sixteen to.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
The Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Power
by the News Talks It Be.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Earlier this week, I was opining what labour used to
be many years ago under the David Cagles, Richard Prebble's,
Mike Morresfield gofs et CETERA completely different labour Party, and
Prebble still writes for the Herald, free school lunches are
a solution looking for a problem. There's this opening line,
which is what I've been trying to say on the
program for ages. You could have saved yourself all the
morning or the wining gay. You don't like it, You're
not having it. It's canceled. Trump would have done it. Treasury.

(53:22):
They did a report rights Richard Prebble this morning in
twenty twenty three. Program had no effect on attendance and
provided a little benefit for MARI students, both reasons given
at the time to introduce it. Only the looney left
could think free food is the answer to obesity. This
is the other point he makes most kid sales. Too
many kids are obese. We have one of the highest
A b CD rates in the world. I live in
one of the poorest neighborhoods in New Zealand, he writes.

(53:44):
My neighbors, despite financial struggles, feed their children. We have
increasing child poverty because of a cigarette taxes, paid almost
exclusively by the poor. The middle class of quit smoking.
A packet of twenty cigarettes cost thirty seven dollars fifty seven,
enough to buy a breakfast in school lunt for a week.
The number of pupils who are hungry is tiny compared
to the number of people who are overweight. Free school
lunches were never for the pupils, but to buy their parents'

(54:05):
votes by having the taxpayer finder chore. My nine year
old grandson brings home some uneaten lunches to test. I've
eaten the returns. Both Labor and David Seymore's lunches are
bland but edible. A hungry child would eat them. An
outrage school principal complaining the lunches were the same for
eleven days. I had the same lunch for eleven years.
Every mass free lunch program will be blanned and have

(54:27):
enormous waste. The only difference will be the cost of
the pig food produced. I mean, come on, why didn't
David Seymour say that about three months ago and say
don't worry about it's canceled. Quick poll by the way
out yesterday in Australia that I'll talk to Steve about
are really interesting because it's going to be a hung parliament.
The balance of power is going to be held by

(54:48):
these teals, these independents, and the poll out yesterday and
all the individual electorates of these independents said overwhelmingly anywhere
between seventy six, seventy seven seventy eight percent. I want
to know who you're going to support if you're holding
the balance of power. What's interesting about that is one
they've not dealt with us before. We have. It's called
New Zealand First. The Peter's ants has always been we'll

(55:11):
let the voters speak first. In other words, we'll hold
you in abeyance and hold you to ransom. So Australia
is now dealing with this for the first time. So
more with Steve Shortley, tend Away.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
The Mike Hosking, Breakfast with the Range, Rover, Villa.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
News Talk Dead b excuse me, just finishing the last
of the artichokes. Seven away from eight. We've hooked up
with Minecraft New Zealand. This is it's apparently as the
world first. Players can now explore our country on this game.
You'll see the White Timer, caves Able, Tasman, Techapo, They've
all been given the Minecraft treatment. It's expected to generate
fifty million bucks in equivalent advertising value. It reaches seventy

(55:46):
million people allegedly, Tourism New Zealand General Manager of Marketing,
Brady McLeish's well, u's brody morning.

Speaker 20 (55:52):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Whose idea was this? How does this stuff come about?

Speaker 20 (55:56):
Well, we had an opportunity through the New Zealand Film
Mission to partner with Warner Brothers and Mojang on the
release of their new Minecraft movie, and that's essentially how
it came out. Through the screen production rebate program, we
were able to work alongside them to create this brand

(56:17):
new If you say world first destination New Zealand Minecraft world.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Does it look like it? I mean it disabled Tasman,
look like able Tasman or not?

Speaker 20 (56:25):
It does. Obviously Minecraft is a pixelated world, but we
have been working to make sure that it looks as
beautiful as a representation of those destinations that we have
here in New Zealand, and working in collaboration with eleven
month of Fenawa groups, the tourism industry and obviously the
developers of Minecraft, which are most Mojang studios, to make

(56:49):
this a really exceptional experience.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Again, if you're playing Minecraft, you will come across this.
This is how I understand it.

Speaker 20 (56:58):
Basically, if you're playing Mind of which there is a
huge a number of people monthly, about one hundred and
seventy million people across the world monthly. Play this game,
you will be able to download the New Zealand world
for free into your Minecraft game.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Would you want to do that? Would you go, oh,
this is good, I'll do that. Is that the sort
of thing that would you would do?

Speaker 20 (57:20):
Well, it's a pretty impressive game. I'm not sure if
you've had a chance to jump in this morning and Mike,
Mike can have a play with it, but it's a
pretty impressive game. And as I'd say, it's free to
all users, so it's something that people would want to
jump in and download and have a play around with.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Where do you get your numbers from? Or is I
mean fifty million dollars in equivalent advertising? How do you
work that out?

Speaker 6 (57:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (57:44):
So basically we are really looking here to drive growth
to New Zealand's economy right through through tourism. So we
look at what it would take for us to spend
this and paid advertising equivalent advertising value essential to get
this sort of reach.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
So yeah, well super excited. Have you played it?

Speaker 16 (58:06):
I have?

Speaker 18 (58:07):
I have.

Speaker 20 (58:08):
Yeah, it's an awesome game, features, you know, lots of
our most amazing places across New Zealand, my time at Caves, Tapulia,
Kapiti Island, Abele Tasman and Tikapo. So it's just an
amazing representation of New Zealand. Essentially, you know, we want
people to play the game and then come and play
for real in New Zealand. Yeah, so that's the that's

(58:31):
the whole premise of what we're doing here.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Fantastic go well with appreciated Brodie McLeish's with tourism New Zealand.
I got the reason I didn't go on the Minecraft
this morning is I got a big box of the
qbis from the Walworths because they heard you how much
you love them. Yeah, it's the stupid style you I've
ever seen. So they sent me at all for free,
but I have passed it on to is it is.

Speaker 16 (58:52):
Believe it might?

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Andwers on the hot desk next to me And.

Speaker 18 (58:57):
Is there a collector's case in there?

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I heard them does everything in there?

Speaker 14 (59:00):
I think the.

Speaker 18 (59:00):
Idea was because you were complaining about what a mess
it had made of your hot desk. Yeah, he can
now bung them in the case and then it won't
be such a mess.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I had to stop. What Sam said, was let's click
it all and put it on trade me And I said, Sam,
I think, I said, I think, I said Sam, I
think that's probably illegal. I don't think we can take
free stuff that we get and sell it. And Sam goes, no,
it's a really good idea, Let's do it. And I
said no, Sam. So therefore I couldn't get on Minecraft
because I was too busy posing Sam the oh, you
didn't have a chance to jump into micraft no chance.

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Flat acting politics Wednesday next.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
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Speaker 2 (59:44):
Tog said, be su quick in developing. Who's just addressing
the Israeli people. The strikes quote unquote just the beginning.
Combat is now resumed with full force, and we'll continue
with full force until Hamas quote unquote no longer posed threat.
So that's the ceasefire. Peace deals blown to a million pieces. Meantime,

(01:00:05):
Trump on truth Social My phone conversation today with Putin
of Russia was very good and very productive. Were agreed,
we know what it is agreed to. This war would
never have happened if I was President blah blah blah.
The process is now in full force and effect and
we will hopefully for the safe of humanity to get
the job done. So he's spinning hard because a partial
ceasefire is not a false fire. So they will go

(01:00:26):
to the Saudi Arabian region and have a word. Now,
this coy fair, this is really any birdy care I
would have said that's way long Jenny's when it's not
because he's dead. Jason Boland and the Stragglers and the
old one is called the Last Kings of Batlon. It's

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the eleventh record, Little classic Country, little blue Grass, little
Southern Rock. It's retrospected. This a reflection of everywhere we've
been in everything we've learned out of the past twenty
five years on the road. We have ourselves ten songs
and only thirty seven minutes and twenty seconds of music,
which is I didn't learn a lot then, did they really? Time?

(01:01:11):
Now for politics Wednesday? Mark Mitchell's with us from India
and Ginny Anderson's with us from the Hut.

Speaker 17 (01:01:17):
Ministeriesger good morning, good morning money mate.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Am I correct in saying Mark, you are there in
your role Indigenous communities Minister.

Speaker 17 (01:01:28):
Of Ethnic Communities and also sport and Rex So sports
been a big part of the discussions over here. We
signed a memorandum of cooperation and Prime Minister Modium himself.
We had lunch with him yesterday and a big chunk
of our conversation was around sport.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Have you won on one with them?

Speaker 8 (01:01:50):
Yes, yeah, we had.

Speaker 17 (01:01:51):
I had lunch.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
I was very lucky.

Speaker 17 (01:01:53):
I came out in twenty sixteen with Sir John Key
and had lunch and said at the same table as him,
and the same thing happened this time around with Chris
so No. I had some really good time with him.
And like I said, he's very interested in sport. He's
trying to roll out sport and get a big focus
on sport in India, and he sees that there's a
lot that we can do that they want to do

(01:02:14):
with New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Was he getting some tips from the Black Caps? I
would have thought they already had that cricket. Pretty good
at cricket.

Speaker 17 (01:02:21):
They're pretty good at cricket, but he wants to broaden
that base and get them And funnily enough, they had
the captain of the Indian rugby team there and rugby
something that they really want to focus on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Interesting. He has a they say an X factor of charisma.
Is that true?

Speaker 17 (01:02:37):
Yeah, without a doubt, Absolutely without a doubt, And that
has grown the first time that I met him back
in twenty sixteen. He is a relatively new leader. He's
been doing the job for a while and I noticed
a big difference, you know. But without a doubt, he's
got a real presence about him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
All right now, Jenny, as far as you're concerned, I
can cover off a bunch of stuff. Barbara Edmonds who
spoke to the investment conference last week, and there's very
good piece of you, the piece in the Where Was It? Newsroom?
If you read the piece labor and PPPs, your stance
on PPPs seems to have come and gone change, twisted
up and down, black and right and wrong. Do you

(01:03:11):
have a definitive position on PPPs or not?

Speaker 11 (01:03:16):
We do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:03:17):
We don't like them for things like schools and prisons
and also hospital so areas where these public services provided
not a big thing. But we have been pretty clear
about the fact that if National goes into a deal
and does one, we won't wind it back. As it
happened over the last year or so, because what we

(01:03:38):
saw was a whole lot of construction workers leaving New
Zealand thirteen thousand and that's not good for economy, not
good for jobs in wages. So we won't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Okay, so, but part of it also says if there
is a benefit to New Zealand, what if they can
say I don't know a school and they can show
a benefit to New Zealand. Does that negate the nose
schools thing or does the or not?

Speaker 11 (01:04:01):
No, we don't think. We think there are some basic
things like schools, prisons, hospitals where we don't agree with PPPs.

Speaker 17 (01:04:08):
Okay, well, what if you had an e we come
forward and say that they wanted to do a PPP
with the government on a school.

Speaker 11 (01:04:15):
Look, there are there. We think there are some fundamental areas.
We don't like charter schools. We have charter schools already.
If people do that, but in our view that there
are some basic public services we're making a profit out
of them doesn't help them. School lunchers would be a
great example where you had something that was being provided
by locally. You've got a big provider coming in making

(01:04:36):
a profit from it, and a lot of those times
they fall over when you're providing a public good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
I'm glad you raised the charter schools because in the
hip hocn speech the other day he said, we're not
going to be a government that just goes in and
cancels everything like this current government has. And yet he
was the bloke who, for ideological reasons, only went and
canceled the charter schools last time. So has he changed
his mind on that stuff or clearly not.

Speaker 11 (01:04:58):
I think we've new Zealanders are tired of flicking back
from one thing to the other.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Yes, every three years.

Speaker 11 (01:05:04):
Yes we have some fundamental ideological problems, but it's also
important that we keep making progress as a country. And
we're just going to be helped back if we keep
flicking back and forwards. So if there's a big project
that's in play, that is working okay, and there's some
good things there, we're not going to undo it just
for the sake of saying, well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
So you could say this morning, so the charter school's
up and operating now, So they'll be up and operating
for at least two years by the time if you
got to government, for example, in twenty twenty six, So
you would leave those alone.

Speaker 11 (01:05:35):
I'm not going to make education policy on news talks.
You'd be, But my understanding is the way we want
to proceed. If there's a big thing in place and
it's working, okay, we're not going to unearth it.

Speaker 17 (01:05:46):
And this is the exact problem that we've got with
you at the moment, because we've tried to send you
really clear messages to.

Speaker 11 (01:05:53):
Mark, don't even start you. Look what you've done in
terms of the infrastructure projects that you under.

Speaker 17 (01:05:58):
Let me finish, really finish me, let me finish, Ginny.
You can't even be unequivocal about whether or not charter
schools are going to Stone. You're just giving us some
big lecture that we can't keep dropping back and forward.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
No, you didn't.

Speaker 17 (01:06:09):
You just said that you're not going to get into
education policy. We'll get into it. You just said that
you're not going to flip flop, and now you're saying, well, actually,
you can't say whether you will keep charter schools.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
And this is the problem, not the problem that we have.
You're all over them.

Speaker 11 (01:06:23):
Stood up pretty clearly and stated that if there's big
projects that have gone ahead, and that's why we sent
labor MPs into your into the big infrastructure talk with
investment firms that if New Zealand needs some big investment,
and we've sent people there to give a strong message
out to those international partners that we support of if
they give us jobs, if they give us wages, and

(01:06:45):
they're good for New Zealanders, but we need to keep
an eye on the fact that if big companies are
just going to come into New Zealand, carve off large
bits of infrastructure own themselves and charge keywis for using
them forever in a day, we need to be cautious
of those details and how I play it, all right, just.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Brief break more in a moment, Mark Mitchell and India,
Ginny Anderson more shortly four Team Past the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, cow it
By News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
B Used Talks, seventeen Past Day, Ginny Anderson, Mark Mitchell
Politics Wednesday. Mark, You'll know the answer to this. This
is on social media. You know Ben Thomas, the guy
who used to work for the National Parties. It was
out right. So he's on the he's on the X
and it says incredible credible effort reports bish this is Bishop.

(01:07:31):
Christopher was handing out medals at the week Box Kids
Triathlon Sunday morning in a New Zealand Month T shirt,
Music Month T shirt and jeans. He may not have
even been home between home Grind and Mere New He
sets is Chris Bishop, the sort of person who would
stay out all night having watched a bit of music
to hand out medals the next morning.

Speaker 17 (01:07:54):
He loves he loves seat, I know that, and absolutely
he'd turned up the next for the week Books Kids.
It's such a great event. So you know he's put
a lot of work into this international investment summit as well.
I just want to say one thing really quickly, like
we should be really proud of our Prime minister. He
has done us proud up here. We've still got a

(01:08:15):
couple more days to go, but we are back at
the table for an f t A with India, which
is huge for US as a country.

Speaker 8 (01:08:21):
With there's lots of global headlines.

Speaker 17 (01:08:23):
You know, our Prime minister is getting on with solutions
and getting things done, whereas the other side, labor are
just confused about what they want to do. And we're
not even.

Speaker 11 (01:08:32):
Come on, we got we're not even UK big.

Speaker 17 (01:08:36):
Deal, not even we're not even paying much attention moment.
We're just we're just getting on and getting things done.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
All right.

Speaker 11 (01:08:43):
I would like to respond to that if I could
free trade deal with the EU and the UK. They
were fundamental and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
We all see you to be fair journy as crap.
But but the UK ones a winner. There's no that's
gold stand, no question.

Speaker 11 (01:08:58):
I don't have to say. On top of that, China
took a long time, but the deal with Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
You labor for forever, got got in bed with the Chinese.
That is true. By the way, do you need to
be she had fan to be successful and you're part
of the world, Jenny as a local MP is that
part of the uh help?

Speaker 11 (01:09:12):
But there are many other excellent bands as well as
she had, which I would vouch for.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Mark, can you stop muting yourself? I mean, for goodness sake,
it's every week he's on he's on his cheek, his
cheek on his phone, he goes Hello Hello. He's sitting
there as an Indian Hotels going Hello Hello. Muted him myself, Genny,
while we're waiting for him to unmute himself. In a
boomst and a boomer type moment, it's white to tea
and this he ut Sorry, sorry, sorry, it's mad. It's embarrassing, Chubby.

Speaker 11 (01:09:48):
I don't even get to talk about that Indian Free
Trade agreement. He cot me on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Anyway back home, But Jenny, back home, White to Tea,
giving Seymour a good effing hiding, is it? Do they
get a free pass? If you'd said that, would you
be in more trouble than hy t t appears to
be well.

Speaker 11 (01:10:08):
I think they've got a fear bit of coverage style.
I don't know if they did get into trouble from
what I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Well, they don't. That's my point. It seems that if
you're in the Maori Party you can do anything, say anything,
and nothing comes out of its useless, isn't he absolutely hopeless?

Speaker 17 (01:10:28):
Definitely, the WI keeps dropping out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
So what have I missed? Probably not speaking to be honest, Thanks, Mark.

Speaker 17 (01:10:38):
I'll just just be honest.

Speaker 8 (01:10:40):
It's always vigorous.

Speaker 11 (01:10:41):
No, we're talking about David Seymour and and the Maori
Party and the the lawns, so that often I told
you what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
You're on hold, Mark, Sorry, carry on, Jenny, I'm not disappearing.

Speaker 11 (01:10:59):
Look, I would never have said that, and I don't
think it's a great idea at all, but I think
they've got a fear bit of coverage and people genuinely
thought that that was unacceptable. So I don't know if
he got away with it.

Speaker 12 (01:11:10):
I think not.

Speaker 11 (01:11:10):
Dave David Seymore pretty much waded straight in there. But
it gets to the point when it's those two I
think most people kind of just switch off because it's
those two.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
Editor again, what.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Do you say just quickly before?

Speaker 17 (01:11:23):
Well, no one likes No one likes bullies, do they,
Ginny so? And this is bullying behavior without a doubt.
And I think that in this country at the moment
where in our country we've got too much violent crime
to deal with and people should learn to keep their
hands themselves, and to have a member of Parliament coming
out and saying they want to give someone a hiding
to me and my view, is just totally unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Is part of it mark that we don't take them seriously?
It's just it's them again? Is there a bit of
that about it?

Speaker 12 (01:11:50):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:11:50):
I think well that's a big part of it. I
can tell you now that if a national MP came
out and said something like me, you would be all
over it they'll be calling for resignations. But for some reason,
because it's the married part either yet given a free ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Super quick, Jinny given Chris was on the radio with
our Wellington people saying you couldn't find a Wellington candidate
for the mayor. Should parties in general this is the
act story. Should parties in general be involved in local
body politics?

Speaker 11 (01:12:15):
Oh that's a tough one. At the pros and cons.
There are some good reasons at it because it actually
helps me more organized on the ground, and I've seen
that in the hearts. We've done quite well having good,
strong candidates out here. But it needs to fit. They
need to that you know that they want to be
part of that party and the party needs to want them.
So if that's all working well, it can go really well.

(01:12:35):
I don't think it's essential. I think you can do
it without it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
So all right, Mark, you off to bed.

Speaker 17 (01:12:42):
Yes, yeah, I'm up in a bit four us. We've
got a very early start yet to get up to
Bomboy today.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Good on you go. Well, we'll catch up next week.
Appreciate it, Mark Mitchell, Jinny and is in eight twenty.

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Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
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I was watching Jim Charmers yesterday giving a speech. Part
of the speech was a build up to the budget.

(01:13:59):
The cycle loan of a week or so back a
couple of weeks back has stuck a one point two
billion dollar hole in that particular budget, and so he's
going to be running a deficit of about twenty seven
billion dollars, which is going out to forty six billion dollars.
So they are swimming in a sea of red, and
they've got an election campaign coming up. So we'll talk

(01:14:20):
about that and more with a Stephen Price after the News,
which is next. Here are the my casting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Rooms, news opinion and everything in between, the mic hosting
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Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
By the way, in reference to Jinny Marke, a couple
of mimes ago a newsroom article on on Labour's PPPs
in their relationship with PPPs. She's a lengthy old number
because that's sort of what newsroom do. But it quotes
Barbara Edmonds, who was at the Big Investment conference the
other day the party's position on PPP's nuanced. She says,
so it is communicated at different ways to different audiences.

(01:15:06):
The party, she says, could have been clearer with different
communication tools. You use different language, do you anyway well
worth reading to try and sort of fathom as to
where they may or may not be. On PPPs twenty
three minutes away.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
From nine International Correspondence with Endsit Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand, Business and Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Stephen Price, very good morning to you and you. I
was watching Jim Chalmers yesterday. I can't remember where he was.
He was in Queensland, but anyway, he had some protesters
come along and interrupt them, and he was talking about
Elfred and how much damage that's done to the budget
and this budget. And they're having this budget because the
election's late, and it's late because of the weather, et cetera.

(01:15:46):
But the deficit they're running surely that makes them look inept,
doesn't it or.

Speaker 12 (01:15:50):
Not well, governments around the country running huge deficits, and
I think the public has been largely shielded from the
fact that if you've got a government that can't have
a surplus, then it's a bad government. I mean what
Anthony Alvenz in Jim Charmers wanted to do prior to
Alfred was to not have a budget and go to

(01:16:10):
an election on the twelfth of April and they could
then say, well, look what we've done over the last
two budgess A had a surplus. Now those surpluses are false,
false surpluses. They've come because there's been a massive amounts
of immigration and be mining royalties have exploded, and so
they had a huge amount of money and so they've
managed to sneak through it with a surplus that they

(01:16:33):
would not have otherwise. And so the chickens have come
home to roost. For this budget, it will be in deficit,
will be handed down next week. But the general public
are just interested in ways to stop the cost of
living hurting them week by week with their age packet.
They're not concerned at all whether the government has debt.
They're worried about their own debt.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Thistton idea on a referendum. Is this going to happen
or it might happen? And how many people, as I
written one article yesterday from his own party, is saying
this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Kill it now, Well.

Speaker 12 (01:17:07):
I think they're stupid, because I think it's very clever
because what there will never be a referendum. We will
not have a referendum on whether if you are a
dual citizenship, so born overseas come to Australia, retain your
overseas passport and get an Australian passport. What Peter Dutton
wants is the ability to throw someone with two passports

(01:17:28):
out of the country in simple terms, if they commit crimes,
taken out of the hands of judges and given to
the Minister presumably of Immigration. Now this is all over
that High Court decision last year. We've got a bunch
of really bad crooks, rapists, murderers, child molesters who are
out in the public because the court decided that they
could not be held indefinitely in tension. So that's what

(01:17:50):
Dutton's talking about. The reason I say it's clever it
allows him over the next four or five six weeks
to talk every day about the issue of people breaking
the law, who are migrants to this country, who he says,
hate the country and don't want to become true in
law abiding Australians. Now he's going to wedge labor on it.

(01:18:11):
I mean Labour's already screaming we don't want another referendum,
we can't do this, and you've got judges and you've
got professors in universities coming out and saying I don't
think Australia wants to go down that path. Bona fide
is of the court of being questioned because lawyers and
judges hate power being taken away from them. I think
it's very clever or Dunton. The referendum will never happen,

(01:18:32):
but it allows him to keep that question on the
front page day after day after day.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Appary Shades of America, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:18:39):
Absolutely? And when you see planeloads of Venezuelans in the
hoods being flown out of the country and dropped in
the third country on the way back to wherever they
came from. I think a lot of people in suburban
Australia who are at the moment in the group of
a crime crisis sitting there saying to themselves, well, why
can't we do that?

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Speaking of crime, I was watching the Kayla Cash. Dutton
was there, but MICHAELA. Cash. She's an interesting visual treat,
isn't she.

Speaker 12 (01:19:05):
Yeah, that's a very polite way to put it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Yeah, So anyway, she's doing this thing the other day
about this corruption. I mean, are they wedging the government
on this as well? This racketeering legislator. This is the
mafia that runs construction in Australia and they want to
do something about it. And I just can't work out
why the Labor government wouldn't say, yes, we're boots in
it all other than the fact that they're funded by
these very crocs.

Speaker 12 (01:19:30):
Well exactly, the CFM you are the major donus to
the Labor party in state and federal politics, write out
checks to them every election and that's why. And so
the CFMEU and their connections to labor run very deep.
And we have had the Age newspaper and Channel nine
to sixty minutes doing a fantastic job on actually spelling

(01:19:50):
out how bad this corruption is on building sites around
Victoria in particular, but also around the rest of the country.
And so when people read what the union's been up
to and they're using biking gang members as standover men,
people are being abused on work sites. But more than that,
they're extorting money out of governments, particularly state governments, to

(01:20:13):
ensure that building projects are unionized. And the build goes
on without disruption. But the union then decides, Okay, we're
only going to work full days. We're going to shut
down for this week. We're not going to do that,
and as she pace more money. It is basically old
style mafia that are running the building sites. And you know,
do we want to copy American laws? Well if they work,

(01:20:34):
yes we do because at the moment all of these
building projects are over budget and over time now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
But to remind people, because this was the story, it
started last year and the Labor Party at the time,
including just Ciner Ellen, who's the Premier of Victoria, said,
will you know where we'll put them into administration? Problem solve?
Don't look anymore. And yet nothing seems to have changed.

Speaker 12 (01:20:54):
Nothing's changed, The administrator can't get to the bottom of it.
He lives in a house which is now surrounded by
armed guards because through his life and the bad old
tactics of the union continue. I mean, anyone who thought
that this was all just going to go away by
sacking the union boss John Sector is completely naive. If
it's not happened, and it continues to this day. CFMU

(01:21:15):
flags fly across building sites right around the city that
I live in, and I know how corrupt they are.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
It's amazing. Hey, how'd your sling deboo go on, Telly?

Speaker 19 (01:21:24):
Not?

Speaker 12 (01:21:24):
Well, they didn't like the color of it for a star,
what color was it? It was a fuck a marone
and white, which I can understand why they wouldn't have
liked that. It had the name of my orthopedic surgeon
on it. So this is a bloke of charges five
grand o your shoulder operating? But what's free advertising on TV?
So Channel ten has stuck Channel ten stickers all over

(01:21:46):
his name. That would have disappointed him. So when I
go back to him, I'm in for trouble. Obviously it
looks ridiculous and stupid, so I'm going to have to
come up with another solution.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
All right, we'll keep you posted. Go well this weekend
and we'll see next week Casteve Price Out of Australia.
By the way, worth reading the CFM you think, essentially,
I mean, apart from what Steve All said, these guys
get jobs on the site. These union Slash Game members
get jobs on the site for ten thousand dollars a week.
They paid ten thousand dollars a week. Forty thousand dollars

(01:22:15):
a month, five hundred thousand dollars a year and what
do they do for that money? Nothing? They don't turn up.
They're just handed the mate. The level of corruption in
Australia in the construction industry is eyewatering and well worth
reading and following sixteen to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Well, I'm mentioning things to read. In the spinoff yesterday
by a guy called Liam Ratner covered off in excruciating
detail the absurdity of the Funarrai District Council and their
ongoing battle with the government over fluoridation. They went for
a judicial judgment yesterday that's been reserved, so will stand by.

(01:23:01):
They have backtracked. Originally they were not going to fluoridate
their water, but then they freaked out at the cost,
none of which they'd put aside, of course, because that
would take planning and foresight, but they didn't have any
of us. So anywhay. On Monday, one of the un
quoting one of the most chaotic and heated council meetings
in recent memories. The result more division, a mere fighting

(01:23:21):
off accusations of predetermination and councilors throwing around accusations of
government rape. So two pm before the councilors get to
the matter at hand, they had to untangle the mess
left by their previous attempt to discuss fluoridation. A scheduled
meeting last week was blocked when seven councilors refused to
allow it to be held behind closed doors. Mood was tense.
Ten past two the meeting quickly descended into a procedural

(01:23:44):
minefield as Councilor pauled Jovich attempted to add an amendment
that would immediately halt all legal proceedings in the associated costs.
By this point tensions be high. Councilor Marie Olsen was
visibly frustrated. Councilor Simon Reid talked about compliance and would
take make council as complicit with this aforementioned governmental rape.
By two forty five, what have we got? The Council

(01:24:07):
was already spending or had spent ninety three, four hundred
and sixty six dollars excluding GST on legal fees. There
is no budget allocated for the costs of the Crown's
legal team at the WDC Losers in court on top
of that, the council risks losing four point five million
in government funding for fluoridation infrastructure, and estimated nine one
hundred and fifteen hours of work, which is the equivalent

(01:24:29):
of one hundred and twenty two working days, had already
been spent on the issue. By three pm, A side
controversy emerged, accusations of predetermination against mister Cockrulo vince our
previous meetings, Cocarrula had stated quote I would go to
jail to stop the fluoridation of water. Council's legal team,
pops Up, ruled that the mayor's previous statements did not

(01:24:51):
legally prevent him from participating. Three twenty the final vote,
after an hour and twenty two on the debate, voted
on the original motion to comply as in the Director
of from Ashley Bloomfield, Director of only until the court
ruled otherwise, which they haven't because they've reserved it as
I've just said. The amendment to drop legal proceedings was
defeated seven to six. Cocka ruler, using his casting vote
to break the tie, meaning the WDC will begin floridation

(01:25:13):
preparations but will stop if the interim relief is granted
in the court, so we stand by there. So that's
the sort of crap that's going on in the local
body politics at the moment, and you're paying for it.
And you wonder why no one wants to stand and
you wonder why the Labor Party can't find a candidate
in Wellington, and you wonder why nobody turns up. Don't
make it up. Nine minutes away from.

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Zealand extremely political and lacked professionalism. They argue. They now
join christ Church, Auckland, West Coast, Gray District, Kuipra and Westland,
leading me to ask the question just how many councils
have to leave local government New Zealand before one local
government New Zealand doesn't need it anymore because there's no

(01:27:06):
one left. Or before that, it actually becomes a bit
of a problem. It's a lot of people and the course.
It's the fee that local government New Zealand charges is
based on size, so the big of the council, the
bigger the fee. Christ Church and Auckland are massive obviously
in Western by a plenty of arm as human really
large as well.

Speaker 8 (01:27:24):
Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Trending now with chemist Well's keeping Kiwi's healthy all year right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Look was this time yesterday? Trump was at the Kennedy Center.
He's now chair of the board, and they're a little
bit upset because he's made appointments to the board. He's
put some Fox News hosts on the board, He's put
his press secretary on the board, he put his press
secretary's mum on the board, and generally the Kennedy Center
is a sort of a bit a political anyway. Part

(01:27:51):
of that he said, we need some better shows. He's
never a fan of Hamilton, needs some better shows. And
he suggested one of his better shows that he's immediately
suggested is, of course, Paul You're having My Baby. I mean,
is that one of the great songs of all time? Anyway?
What the other thing he did? I think it was
the one hit wonder, wasn't he Paul Anka you having
my baby. He also did my way, but this way.

Speaker 14 (01:28:15):
I bet you can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
To renovate.

Speaker 14 (01:28:22):
That oval, that Oval office.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
With your vast knowledge.

Speaker 8 (01:28:31):
We can bet.

Speaker 14 (01:28:34):
You could wipe about the national debt if plans go alrong, Hey,
what happened? You just sit down and write a chat.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
We're all relay.

Speaker 14 (01:28:55):
Don't hurt this time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
When we vote. You're it's not bad. You can see,
like said, can't you. So that is Paul Anka, who
will be coming to the Kennedy Center before long. By
the way, do you remember on the program the other day,
I said we should get Bruce Hornsby on the program
because I'd never interviewed Bruce Hornsby. I thought, why don't
we interview Bruce Hornsby? Where we ring Bruce Hornsby? And

(01:29:20):
he will be appearing on the program tomorrow after eight o'clock,
because that's how we rove happy days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
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