Full Show Podcast: 22 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's voice of reason is Mike the Mic asking
Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate altogether better across residential, commercial
and rural news talks, head bending.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
And Welcome today, the new med School, The Sounds Air,
reality of making a buck on regional roots in this country.
Netball they've gone and changed their mind on overseas playing rules.
Eric Topole, here's the guru when it comes to longevity research.
So he's with us after. It's fascinating stuff. Catherine Field
lines up from France and Rod Little does the verse
from the UK for US, pasking right, oh, seven past six,
Welcome to the day. Let's deal with the good news,

(00:32):
shall we Inflation not as bad as they thought. They
thought two point nine, it was two point seven. We're
an interesting company. I mean the US, for example, at
the moment, is two point seven having just gone up
like us? Is that good? Well, they feel a bit
like us. I think a lot of people don't like
the economy. A lot of people think things are getting
more expensive. So here's your real story. Tradeables, stuff we

(00:52):
can do something about, is at one point two percent,
very low decent sort of figure. Non tradeables, though, stuff
we can't do you think about three point seven? Three
point seven not good and well outside the Reserve bank
zero to three band? What's leading those non tradable numbers,
I hear you ask, Well, the answer is, of course,
councils and rates. They are the robber barons of the

(01:12):
New Zealand economy. Their cost plus accounting is wreaking havoc
all over the countryside and there isn't a thing you
can do about it. Electricity prices too, by the way,
are also in there. They fall into the same category
in my view as councils. But because the Reserve Bank
only looks at some things and not others, they're not
doing what they should be doing, which is helping the
economy grow. Though they will tell you have a look
at the latest official GDP figure that was zero point

(01:34):
eight percent, So what are you complaining about? Are the
latest quarter on live reading is tracking at zero point
four percent, so that's halved, and that annualized doubt is
still leaving us going backwards. You might, I mean might,
with those numbers cobble together the ongoing argument that slowly
but surely things are coming right. But the real question
is what's right? Inframetrics adjusted their growth forecast for all

(01:58):
of next year two two percent. That's two percent. It's pathetic.
That's the rebound. As long as all this persists, the
funk will continue. It'll be easy to feel downtrodden and
it will upbeat. This is a slog and the Reserve
Bank view of the world fails to recognize that. And
the vultures who keep charging more because they can don't care.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Why News of the World in ninety six.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Now Among the million very problems currently facing the British
Prime Minister is water teams. Water in particular is a shamble,
so they're creating a new water regulator.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
We have those eighty one criminal investigations under the way.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
They will work their way.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Through the court system as they should do, and judges,
not ministers, will decide any sanction that should follow. There
needs to be accountability back in a system where there
was no accountability.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Not everyone's convinced.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Until we look at privatization and the end of it,
we will never see true transition. We need to look
to Europe and America, learn from them and then put
this industry back into special administration if you like, Starting
with Thames Water and removing the profit motive, replacing it
with public benefit and environmental performance.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
K has also been thinking about the Middle East.

Speaker 6 (03:07):
We need a cease fire, and we need it straight away,
because that will create the space for the remaining hostages
to be released. We'll create the space for AID to
get in at speed and at volume.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
State sided off duty border patrol offers a good shot.
Homeland Secretary blame sanctuary cities.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
I'm calling on every single mayor in sanctuary city and
sanctuary governor to change their policies and to change their tactics.
Right now, their job is to take an ulster, protect
the public other matters.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
We had a payment company called ear Wallacks. They've turned
out to be a new sponsor for Arsenal. Now they're
into football because they love sport. Wider they love sport
because they've gotten the sport through if one.

Speaker 8 (03:49):
If then the McLaren deal was anything to go by.
Hopefully we see this sort of immediacy in success for
Arsenal as well.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yes, the reference being at the moment they started sponsoring
Mclair and McLaren started winning, and then the girl guides
have come up with some new badges, quite a lot
of them.

Speaker 9 (04:04):
My ultimate favorite is be rescuer where you can become
a hero looking after bees. If you're written boy Brownie
and you want to create your own toys, you can
create toys that you can play with your girlfriends.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, seventy two badges and all bad for everyone, which
might just be the problem. Finally, another I ate banana story.
This is this jammer, this atty canto, but that the
duck take banana of art work. Another banana got eaten.
That's news of the world of ninety Now. Commas Secretary
Lutnik has said that August one's the hard deadline for

(04:41):
tariff So we New Zealand are still standing by for
the small country letter from Trump and we think now
the tariffs are going to be higher than ten percent,
so that's going to be a new story. Remember where
you heard it first. And Lutnik now says August one
is the deadline for reciprocal tariffs, and Besson this morning
says that is going to put pressure on every He
is probably right. Twelve pass six.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
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Speaker 2 (05:12):
There's a bit of a scrap been brewing for a
while because they started the investigation in January. But the
French rafter x as an elon and they are suggesting
that the company's algorithms being used for the purposes of
foreign interference. So they've asked for a bit of information
here this morning said you're not getting it, so we'll
see where that goes. Talk to Catherine shortly fifteen past
six from bed and Funds Management Tuesday on in Greg,

(05:33):
welcome to it. How are you morning? Take you two
point seven? You're happy with that.

Speaker 10 (05:38):
Yeah, you're pretty happy that.

Speaker 11 (05:39):
Obviously something expected. It's in line the ANSDS forecast in
the main and PS. So yeah, obviously you talk about
the challenges our economy is facing.

Speaker 10 (05:49):
It you're quite right.

Speaker 11 (05:50):
So it shouldn't stop them from cutting rates next month,
particularly as you say as well, a lot of stuff
driving inflation won't actually be influenced by O see our changes.

Speaker 10 (05:58):
So let's look at a few of the highlights.

Speaker 11 (05:59):
Rates contribute thirty percent of the annual inflation rates they
were twelve point two percent, so you know about that.

Speaker 10 (06:05):
But other stuff is softening.

Speaker 11 (06:06):
Petrol prices down eight percent, rent you know that's been
obviously a bone of contention. That three point two percent
rise is the smallest Daniel increase in four years, and
that's eleven percent of the CPI. So you know, Wellington
soft we know that, but so as Aucklandon. You know,
net migration is obviously a fact and non tradables still
quite high, but that's the lowest since twenty twenty one
at three point seven percent. And you look at the

(06:27):
quarterly figures as well, Mike, so yeah, they were lower
than expected, zero point five percent. That was down from
point nine percent in June. Food nineteen percent of the CPI.
That was the biggest contributor. Ten percent increase in vegues.
We've talked about that food prices, but yeah, people, it
would be nice for people. We're charged least of course
for our broccoli, but you know, people so have to eat,

(06:47):
whether we cut the OCR or not. Energy prices that
was twenty five percent of the rise, but you know,
people still have to keep the lights on either way.
And MEANWI obviously we're in the worst downturn since the GFC,
and that's brings the deflationary pressures.

Speaker 10 (06:59):
So to building a new home.

Speaker 11 (07:00):
That e's point one percent annual increase herees are smaller
since two thousand and nine, but Yeah, it's a lot
of stuff we just can't control. Its interesting one I
thought as well was cultural services. That's twenty six percent
of the rise in the CPI, and there was a
ten percent lift in streaming subscription prices, So I think
people are still going to tune into Netflix where we.

Speaker 10 (07:22):
Cut the ACO or not as well.

Speaker 11 (07:24):
So I think we're getting a number rate cut next month,
and there's going to be extra spice because the Aussies
go the week before and giving their weak job numbers
last week.

Speaker 10 (07:32):
That'll probably provide a bit of air of pressure.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, the US, what I looked at Verizon, they were good.
Dom that was good. Good, Everyone's good.

Speaker 10 (07:41):
Everyone's pretty good. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 11 (07:42):
So yeah, text leading away in TIMZSMP hitting a record high.
But I've had some good results so Verizon obviously big Telco.
Five percent increase in the revenue thirty four point five billion,
that was a head of estimate, says was net income
of five point one billion. They're didn't better from their
high price plans. They lifted broadband subscribed as twelve percent
to twelve point nine millions.

Speaker 10 (08:02):
That was going pretty well.

Speaker 11 (08:03):
They lifted their annual profit forecasts also getting good of
help from Trump. Actually, so this new tax law which
allows the ride offs of certain equipment that is expected
to boost cash flows for Verizon by as much as
two billion dollars this year, So that's helping out. And
you also had a good result from Domino's Pizza as well.
Same still sales growth of three point four percent, that

(08:25):
was ahead of estimates of two percent. Number of sort of.
I suppose it's still pretty competitive in the pizza market
over there, but they are continuing to open stores in
the first.

Speaker 10 (08:33):
Ever stuff crust pizza.

Speaker 11 (08:35):
And how about this Mike Parmesan pizza went pretty well
and it's been a big hit, and they're really targeting
low income customers amidst cost of living pressures. That had
this nine dollar nine to nine beast deal. Ever, that's
set pretty well. They missed expectations slightly on earnings, but
they took a twenty seven million dollar charge from a
China licensee. Revenues one point one five billion, they were

(08:56):
in line with estimates. They also reacon the roll out
on doordare platform twice the size of Uber for pizza
salves will be a major growth driver, so I can
imagine that as well.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Runner and how right, Ryan eded well as well.

Speaker 10 (09:10):
Year I've done well as well in Europe.

Speaker 11 (09:11):
So these years are up five percent, up nearly thirty
percent year to date and up over seventy five percent
over the past twelve months.

Speaker 10 (09:18):
So they had a result overnight as well.

Speaker 11 (09:20):
So first quarter profits they more than doubledf he is
arising profit eight hundred and twenty million euros in the quarter.
That was up in three to sixty million a year ago. Tommy,
it needs to help, but also high prices passion to numbers.
They rose, revenues swored twenty percent. That was a pretty
good story. And I suppose speaking to the sort of
the low cost model, they get a lot of their

(09:41):
revenues from ancillary stuff. We're charging for seat selection, food, drink.

Speaker 10 (09:47):
And additional baggage just by the bye.

Speaker 11 (09:49):
They've also been getting making a bit of news for
paying bonuses to staff who catch passengers not able to
fit their hand luggage on. So stuff actually gets that
charge seventy five years of time and start for getting
a dollar or one year of fifty of us.

Speaker 10 (10:03):
So they stand by that policy. The game pretty well.

Speaker 11 (10:06):
There's lots of competition in the low cost space, but
they are taking market Shiba like. They did make a
point about the Boeing deliveries. How that was a bit
of a constraint. I guess that's affecting the airline sector generally.
They've actually threatened to cancel the orders for buying planes
worth more than thirty billion dollars depending what tariff's do.
We know Trump is maintaining as tariffs obviously on.

Speaker 10 (10:28):
A lot of sectors. So the issue for Ryan heres.
They haven't got anywhere else to turn.

Speaker 11 (10:33):
So Chinese plane maker Comic that's not certified, and Bone's
main rival Airbus, they reckon. They sold out of planes
for the rest.

Speaker 10 (10:40):
Of the decade.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Unreal. What are the numbers?

Speaker 11 (10:43):
So the Dow is up point five percent forty four
five to five nine. This is in P five hundred
is up point six percent. Na's deck up point sevenercent
five hundred record high. By the way, footy one hundred
up point two percent, Nickey down point two percent, A
six two hundred down one percent, eight sixty six eight.
We had a positive session. Inseex fifty up points six percent,

(11:03):
twelve nine sixty one. Gold up forty five bucks three thousand,
three hundred and ninety four US announced oil down twelve
cents sixty seven spot twenty two eight barrel, and the currencies.
The Kiwi was high against the US fifty nine point
eight flat against ozzie ninety one point six British pound.
We were down point four percent forty four point three,
and we were down point nine percent against the Japanese
yen eighty eight even.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
All right, mate, you have a good day, catch up tomorrow.
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Speaker 1 (12:06):
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Speaker 2 (12:13):
Mike, thinking of medical school decision, is it a coincidence
that the bit its chancel of the Whycata University as
the chairman of.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
The r V.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Thanks Chris Hopkins. I'll come back to that in a moment. Morning, Mike,
do you know how the new medical school can reduce
the time it takes to get a degree from six
years to four years? Great question, sensational question. As I
watched the postcab press conference yesterday, I'm open to correction
again and I will issue the appropriate apology. But as
I watched this press conference yesterday, a couple of things

(12:43):
became clear about the New Zealand media. They don't have
a clue. They went on and on and on about
the where have the money coming from? And he said, well,
the money is coming from the government and also from
the Wycata University and some donors. What if the donors
don't pay? And they asked that question about nine thousand
times as though it was relevant anyway. I'll come back

(13:03):
to that later in the program as well. But what
the obvious question. Surely, if you're offering a six year
medical degree at Auckland and Otago and suddenly you say
and this one's a four year medical degree, does no
one in the room go? How did you pull that
trick off?

Speaker 13 (13:20):
How many years is a journalism degree?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Good question?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
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Right.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
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Speaker 5 (14:03):
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Speaker 4 (14:12):
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Speaker 2 (14:23):
Joy first El Fanning as your lead. She's the android
in Cinema's November seven, and that's before they got They
then started asking Luxon about the price of butter. How
much is a pricer? But that tired old game from
the eighties, and he said eight point fifty which of
course is correct, and then they started arguing with him,

(14:45):
going night night, eleven dollars. I found one for eleven,
and all that proof was the person went and got
ripped off. Chooser news for.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
You're gonna spoil the fun, Mike. The Waikata Med School
as a graduate degree, so you can only get it
if you've got the really relevant undergraduate degree. Of course,
I think some of you can actually explain that yesterday.
So he'll be with us in an hour's time, Mike
yr old mate Heather was banging on and on and
on about what of the benefactors don't pay? I mean
that was covered off as well, for God's sake. I
mean they've got the balance sheet, they've done the due diligence.

(15:31):
If the benefactors or the donors don't come to the party,
the balance sheet with the white to Kata University, they're
not sure of a bob would cover it. They've got
it covered, no problems, Mike. The other question no journalist
asked is what is the plan to retain these new
graduate doctors. Good question, and I don't think that was
us answered either. They were waxing lyrical, as though there
were some sort of scandal, and poor old Luxon was

(15:51):
just standing there saying, make my words, in a decade's time,
you won't regret this decision. I mean, we've been banging
on about the need for more doctors, we've been banging
on about the need for a new medical school when
they actually announced it. All we want to do is
mone twenty two minutes away from seven Gatherine Field and
France shortly for you a reminder that flying in this

(16:12):
country can be hard work. Sounds here are selling some
of their planes and acting Richmond Blendham Christ You're to
Wanaka as later this year. Andrew Crawford's the CEO of
Sounds here and as with us. Andrew, very good morning
to you, very well. Indeed thank you, just for clarification's sake,
and not to insult you remotely. You're a good business model, right.
This is not about you. This is about the economy, punters, numbers,

(16:33):
et cetera. In other words, you're not a dodgy operator, not.

Speaker 15 (16:36):
That I'm aware of. It's not about punters and numbers.
There's plenty of people flying that that's not the issue,
and so air numbers have been the best they've ever been.
The issue is the cost, the costs since COVID out
of control, and that literally.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, but that's my point. That's why I'm asking, because
everyone bangs on about air New Zealand going, oh, they're
ripoff merchants. And it's what we're learning is flying regionally
in New Zealand is hard work.

Speaker 15 (17:01):
Very very and I've actually got a bit of defense
very indw Zealand and Man, they've got some problems and
we've got the same problems, just on a smaller scale,
and it's very, very difficult, and at some point you've
just got to say no more.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Is doing something about it. Your civil aviation bill is
three hundred thousand dollars a year. You're a small operator,
and suddenly it's three hundred thousand dollars. Who's doing something
about that?

Speaker 15 (17:25):
No, it's not three hundred, it's gone up three hundred.
It's gone up one hundred and forty five percent. That's
the increase.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (17:33):
I find it absolutely astounding that the civil aviation can
give themselves one hundred and forty five percent pay rise
and it's approved by cabinet and that's just supposed to
be imposed on the traveling public. It's staggering.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
It's no wonder, it's difficult. Are you one of the
airlines involved in some councils around the country. There was
one I can't remember who it was that went to
a council for a little bit of help on a route.
Do you involve yourself in those?

Speaker 15 (17:55):
No, but we've certainly we haven't had any loans from councils,
but we've certainly had support, you know from the airport companies.
Marlborough and Wellington have been hugely beneficial to us in
support and the same as christ Church that they get
that regional aviation is critical of his country and you know,
in terms of crisis and it's happened in the past,
they come to smaller airlines like US, Barrier Chathams and go,

(18:16):
you know, you've got to do something to help the
roads and the Kaikoura Earth quick as one example. But
when it's gone, it's gone, like and it's a sad
day that these roots are gone. The blended to christ Church.
Christis to Wanica are big healthcare roots and they're going
to go.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
It's just well, James meag is apparently onto it is
he does. Have you talked to him? Yes? And what's
he doing to visit us?

Speaker 15 (18:38):
And well, we haven't say anything. We've been talking to
government for six years.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
It's no more, no more, because we got the problem.
I mean, I'm a sort of a libertarian and I'm
one of those people who goes, look, if you can't
make a business work, you can't make a business work.
And I'm not sure we should be running a social
welfare agency for air lines. But connectivity is critical, and
I suppose it's for the Why good isn't it?

Speaker 15 (19:01):
Listen, I'm with you. Why shouldn't the text they be
supporting airlines? Well, because of those reasons. We support trains,
we support roads. How much is being spent on that
train from Hamilton to Auklan It would cover regional aviation
and a heartbeat. But you know they're happy to put
money into roads, they're happy to put money into the fairies,
they're happy to put money into New Zealand when required

(19:23):
that the regional connectivity nothing Andy, I'm with you. Maybe
that's just the answer and we've just got to move
on and get over it.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
All right. Well, I wish you were with it, mate,
appreciate it very much. Andrew Crawford, who's the soundser ceo,
and James, I'm going to save regional New Zealand. Mega
was standing mine for him. Katie jumped on a plane
the other day, just once again to defend a New Zealand.
I can't remember what day it was, but let's say
it was Thursday. It was Wednesday or Thursday. She jumped
on a plane and bought a ticket to fly on

(19:51):
Sunday and she got a Friday nine bucks. I thought
that's not bad going it nineteen away from seven.

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they'd signed sort of a net zero banking alliance, a
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Speaker 2 (21:34):
You only worked out all right, didn't it at the
end of the day, and that sort of that kind
of we make it up as we go along and
had got no clue what happens next kind of way.
Catherine Field, don't shake your head at me, Catherine morning, Hey,
good morning. Make I've got them back, thank you. I've
got the headline Deadly storms hit France, do they Ah?

Speaker 10 (21:53):
Yeah, they're pretty bad.

Speaker 16 (21:55):
Yeah, it's bad. You know, if you're walking around Paris
today and you get a big downpour and that floods
the metro and people have to take chairs and from restaurants,
that's pretty bad. But it's not as bad as it
has been in the past.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Okay, good answer, Is that clear enough? No, that's very good. Indeed.
Now so because I'm sory. I'm in France and I
paid a fortune to go there, and I'm sitting in
my cafe because in my experience in Paris. You can't
get a table outside anyway. So you finally get your
table outside and you paid your nineteen euros for your
small glass of chip shabblis and the next thing you know,

(22:33):
it's raining on you.

Speaker 15 (22:34):
What do you do?

Speaker 16 (22:37):
Go inside and rubs shoulders of the whole ploy.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Mate, I guess. So now this Elon Musk thing and X,
where do we go with us? This started back in January?
Have they got something? Does this actually go somewhere? Is
this all about headlines?

Speaker 16 (22:50):
They are really gunning for Elon Musk and they are
gunning for Twitter. What they or as we now call
it X, what the investigators have found or suspect to
have found, is this what's so called algorithm bias. That
means that Twitter X is alterating its operations, that's allowing

(23:11):
them to highlight themes favorable to the company, to Elon Musk,
for example, giving greater visibility to certain political candidates. And
also this fraudulent extraction of data, which is taking data
from users and allowing them to have advertising tailored to

(23:32):
their personal options such as sexual orientation, political opinions, religious
the sort of information that these companies are not meant
to have, but they extract it allegedly by looking at
what bits of Twitter you're looking at. So this was
actually put forward earlier this year in MP put forward

(23:52):
an official complaint. He said that there is just so
much less diversity of views on that social media platform
and says that democracy is now too fragile to let
one man, one digital platforma to tell people who to
vote for. We've also had a second cybersecurity network say

(24:14):
that there is just so much more hateful, racist, homophobic content.
For his part, Elon Musk just a couple of hours
ago said that his company was not going to cooperate
with French investigators. He said it was politically motivated completely
fold and it was a threat to free speech.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
How does this if it does? Given this as French
dovetail with the EU. Look at the AfD and Musk's
connection with them.

Speaker 16 (24:38):
It absolutely dovetails perfectly with them. Aside from the fact
that the EU takes a very long time to get
going on these sorts of things, like they have been
looking at Elon Musk's operations since about late twenty twenty three.
Again that was breaches of data. That was also saying, look,
you know, you cannot just operate these blue chain it's

(25:01):
deceiving now, it's not what it was. You haven't been
doing the proper checks. So it does sort of push
that bit further. Let's not forget. Also back in February,
the EU said they were going to investigate that live
streaming interview that Elon mus did with the leader of
the far right Germany just ahead of the federal elections.

(25:22):
There there are question marks and there's still our question
marks of whether that's interfering with the legal laws in
each country around time that each political candidate has allowed
on the thing. So they're still investigating that. And of course,
just a couple of weeks ago, Poland the Digital Affairs
Minister asked the EU to do a check on the

(25:45):
AI chatbot that comes up on x apparently that had
been spewing out a Nazi propaganda and also views favorable
to the Nazi Party.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I've got to go. But this by what a hero
I mean? Have they has France finally got a prime
minister who will tackle the fact that you don't pay
your way and you haven't for about a million years.

Speaker 16 (26:11):
It will be hard watch this space because when they
come back from holiday and just under two months time, Mike,
they're going to be thrashing out this budget. He needs
to save eighty five billion New Zealand dollars next year.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
It's going to be a tough fight.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Amazing. Nice to catch up, Catherine. Will see next week
Catherine Field and France for us at ten to seven.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
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Speaker 2 (26:35):
Here's my point with the Commos Commission and the Commos
Commission have a look at the banks and the fed
farmers go oh, collusion, collusion, collusion, and the Commos Commission
have a look and goes, no, there's not there's nothing
to see here. Then why is it suddenly different when
you talk to somebody like Nikola Willis, who goes the
banks are ripping us off? How come there's no collusion
to be found when it comes to farmers and United

(26:56):
Nations deals, but there is in the general market. A Nikola,
how's that butter meeting gone for you? Interesting to note
from the Prime Minister yesterday that Fonterra called it, which
surprised me. What's Mile's going to do about it? You're going, well,
here's how it works. How much is a pack it

(27:17):
a butter, Prime Minister. And see back in the days
when they asked those questions. That was back in the
day's New Zealand, and the New Zealand government ran everything,
and there was only one pack of butter, and there's
only one bottle of milk, and there was only one
bag of cheese, whereas now there's millions of them. And
so the reporter who claimed it was eleven dollars was correct,
because you can of course find a bit of butter

(27:37):
for eleven dollars. Equally, the Prime minister was correct, you
can find a bit of butter for eight dollars fifty
because there were prices for everything all over the place. Hence,
we don't ask stupid questions anymore. Five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
The in and the outs. It's the fizz with business fiber.
Take your business productivity to the next link.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Now, from our studies that tell you nothing, file we
find a four day week has got good results. So
this has been done by a US and Irish research team.
They published it in Nature Human Behavior. They've looked at
almost three thousand employees from one hundred and forty one
organizations across six countries, including US as in New Zealand
and Australia. Six month trial reduced the working week from
five to four days, kept the paid the same first trial.

(28:19):
According to the experts, everything has been controlled and we
actually get longitudinal data out of all of this. They
compared the results of the six countries to twelve other
six companies to twelve other companies that kept the work
at five days. So they evaluated well being before and
after burnout, job satisfaction overall, psychological well being and physical health.
Those who participated saw did improvements and burnout or lack

(28:43):
of they weren't burnt out. In other words, physical health
saw the biggest benefit because people got more sleep and
they had time for physical exercise at their leisure on
their day off. Job satisfaction went up. They because they
they have three day weekends. I mean, why wouldn't your
job satisfaction go if you go Friday, Saturday and Sunday off. Anyway,
those participating this white rigged. Those participating in the four

(29:06):
day week trial got coaching in the weeks leading up
to the trial as to how to be more efficient
to work in hand call with changers. Meantime, I note
by the way that Starbucks. I don't know if this
is international or just America, but Starbucks have been ordered
back to the office four days a week. How on
earth are you and barista at Starbucks if you don't

(29:28):
turn up anyway, So you've got to turn up at
the office now or take a payout. They're laying you off.
It's amazing how that sort of continued to be a thing,
hasn't it. After seven o'clock, which is very shortly, we'll
have the Vice Chancellor of the University of Waikatto on
the med school. We'll talk to the Health Minister Simming
and Brown about that later. Then Longevity, the global guru

(29:49):
on longevity, living well Long. He's with us after eight.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
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Speaker 2 (30:03):
Seven past seven, So the long away to Waycat and
medical schoolers go. The Government's in for a bit over
eighty million. One hundred and fifty million comes from the
university and donors. The doors open in twenty eight with
an initial role of one hundred and twenty students and
focus on GP training. Neil Quigley as the University of
Wycat has vice chancellor and is with us. Very good morning,
Good morning, Mike's been a journey.

Speaker 12 (30:22):
It has been a journey.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yes, you're right.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
How much of this is about regional prestige for your organization?

Speaker 12 (30:30):
Oh, we are just interested in delivering for New Zealand
and we've got involved in this project primarily because of
the observation that we've fallen behind what's happening in other countries,
particularly Australia, in terms of medical education. So this is
our opportunity to help New Zealand get into the twenty

(30:50):
first century one hundred.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
And twenty with a view to more or one hundred
and twenty, is.

Speaker 12 (30:54):
It No, one hundred and twenty is a starting point,
but obviously we need to build the program and make
sure we've got all the clinical placements in place before
we look to go beyond one hundred and twenty. But
I would hope after a few years we would be
able to build up.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
How do you tell people to be a GP because
you can't, really can.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
You, No, you can't.

Speaker 12 (31:16):
People have tried bonding schemes and other places and things
like that, but they're really difficult to make work practically.
And legally, what you have to do is select people
for the commitment that they show to being in general
practice and in primary care. And it's possible to design
your selection mechanisms so that you identify those characteristics and

(31:41):
people rather than just well because they will come from
places where there are shortages of doctors and where they're
committed to going back to those places to practice, and
we'll select them based on their demonstrated involvement with the

(32:02):
community rather than just their academic grades.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's guess work. Look, I'm all for this, congratulations, I
think it's going to be ahead all that sort of stuff.
But what I know from medical school is you can't
force people to do what they don't do. You can't
force them to go to the country, and you can't
force them to be a GP. They will do what
they do in anything. Any other argument is fencible, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (32:24):
Well, Mike, what you have to do is look at
the record of our partners that we're going to be
working with in Australia, so they get fifty or sixty
percent of their graduates going into general practice, whereas at
the moment here in New Zealand it's only fifteen or
twenty percent from Auckland or Otago. So the evidence from
Australia says that implementing the selection mechanisms that our partner

(32:48):
institutions over there use, you do get a markedly different
workforce outcome.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Okay, were you surprised at yesterday's reaction in the Prime
Minister's press conference and the conspiracy theory about your so
called conf like dementia. I mean, for a good news story,
there was a lot of weird behavior yesterday.

Speaker 10 (33:03):
I thought.

Speaker 12 (33:06):
I was a little surprised that people weren't interested in
engaging with the real issues about, you know, the need
to improve medical education in New Zealand and the way
in which we can shorten pathway with a four year
graduate entry program to get more doctors through more quickly.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, exactly, yes, yes, yeah, I was very surprised. It
was me too well and Neil appreciate it. Neil quickly,
who's the University of Waikato vice chancellor. It's everything that's
wrong with this country. On a good news day, there's
not about politics on a good news day, and irrefusably
good news day where something was actually going to happen.

(33:46):
All we could do was find reasons to bitch and
mine eleven past seven. So the washer up on inflation
seems to be this two point seven wasn't the two
point nine they thought it might be. The non tradable
stuff like rates is still a real issue. Of course
in the RB will this and basically I'm assuming locked
in another interest rate out next month. Mike Jones is
the ben Z's tip economists and as well as Mike Morning.

(34:08):
What a the band is still going to be breached,
isn't it eventually? Sometimes this year they're going to go
above three, aren't they.

Speaker 17 (34:14):
I think it's a real chance. But I think the takeaway,
as you said from the numbers yesterday, was that bet
reduces now not only breaching three percent, but also getting
stuck above three percent, which which might have been an
issue for inflation expectations. That's self perpetuating aspect of inflation.
So yeah, I think it's a green light or the

(34:34):
bank they can probably feel more comfortable in getting cracking
on rate cuts again next month.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
And so what have they learned then? Given they this
month they didn't and next month they will, and then
maybe they'll go again later on this year. What's changed
material in the last week or so.

Speaker 17 (34:51):
Well, I mean, one is your headline inflation's a little
bit lower. I think is we've seen the data come
in as well. It's it's still pretty soggy in uninspiring
sort of stuff as well. So I think that means
that or median term inflation that particularly focused on, they
can be a little bit more confident that once we
get through this burst of temporary higher inflation, that will

(35:13):
settle down to back to two percent or a bit
below because the economy has got lots of spare capacity
rights if the activity is racing away, and so lower
interstrates are probably required to try and boost activity and
insure inflation doesn't fall too far below two percent next year.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
But do you I mean you're the expert. I'm not,
But I'm looking at the low number of what was
at one point two versus three point seven? How low
does that need to Because the councils are not going
to stop charging, and the CIA is not going to
stop charging, the insurance is not going to stop going up.
So when does all that finish and then flow through
to a lower inflation number.

Speaker 17 (35:51):
Well, we think we've got another quarter to come where
you're going to get higher headliner inflation. So the third
quarter we think we might get a two point nine,
but our hope is that that is the peak and
thereafter we start to see things tail away. I mean,
one thing that really jumped out from the numbers yesterday
is this gap that's opened up between its essentials inflation

(36:14):
and non essentials. Not all inflation has created equal It's
hardly the sort of indicative of a of an accelerating economy,
sort of inflation that we're getting in and of itself.
The fact that you're getting these higher costs for the
lights of food and energy, pulling income away from households,
should actually slow things down even more, you know, retail

(36:37):
spending in the economy more generally. So I think we've
still got enough via I mean, it's pretty hard to
be confident about anything in the current environment, but there
are enough well there's enough evidence to suggest that this
is a temporary bout of inflation and we'll start to
set things cool off.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Boy, I hope you hope you're might appreciate it. Mike Giants,
who's the BENS it's chief economists. It's not often I
say this, but we have good news from the White thing.
Each renal. In fact, I think it's the first time
I've ever said it. We have good news from the
White Hangi Tribunal. More shortly fourteen past the like.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
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Speaker 2 (37:13):
Health Minister shortly by the way on the Medsicore seventeen
past seven, got more ankst in the greyhound industry as
they slowly but surely get closed down. The government's looking
into the feasibility now forcing the TAB to cover the
constant rehoming dogs. Industry wants taxpayers to put the bill.
The bill, by the way, is about forty million. Edward
Reyneld's the CEO of greyhound Racing New Zealand and as well.
They said, good morning, yeah, good morning, make good morning.

(37:35):
How much how much are you involved in this in
terms of you know where you go and where the
industry goes and what the government does. Are you in
contact with the government.

Speaker 18 (37:43):
We've had some meetings with the ministera as an advisory committee,
but we have had no meetings at all the Minister
since twenty three when he was appointed.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
And what's the irrationale behind the TAB and would the
TB be remotely.

Speaker 18 (37:55):
Interested well, I think the rest the intense the TV.
Even though new Zellen greyhound racing will be stopped, they're
still looking to bring in forty over forty six ers
and races from greyhounds in Australia and they will be
looking to use the income from that to fund the rehoming,
which in many ways that makes sense. We've never said

(38:17):
the taxpayer should fund it. We've always said that it
needed and needed to be addressed. However, what hasn't you know,
there's all this talk about rehoming, but there's no quick
consideration of support for our people and compensation for them.
You know, I've had people who have invested thousands into
upgrading their facilities at a trainer, a breeder last night

(38:38):
talking about how he had invested two hundred and fifty
thousand and frozen seamen that is now worthless. So at
what point is the government going to discuss Well, they
won't for our people.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well they're not going to because well, I mean their
argument will be they warned, you warned, you warned, you warned,
you warned you and warned you and you didn't fix
your industry, so get lost.

Speaker 18 (38:57):
Yeah that's completely wrong.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Well, I know that But that's their argument, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (39:03):
Yep, that's thereamn But we had an independent monitor, the
Racy Integrity Board, who from June twenty three was assesssing
a performance with injuries rates is acceptable in many ways
leading racy industry in New Zealand. Yet we know that
hasn't changed from June twenty three. They're still saying that,
and the government's saying that our injury rates unacceptable.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
What about a lawyer, If you talk to a lawyer,
I'm not depending. I'm not a big fan of greyhounds anyway,
but have you talk to a lawyer.

Speaker 18 (39:31):
Yeah, we are undertaking legal election, seeking a judicial review
of the decision because we believe that the process that
has been adopted and the decision itself is manifestly wrong.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
That'll be interesting to follow. I Appreciatedward Edward Ronell, who's
the CEO of the Greyhound Racing New Zealand, speaking of appeals,
that that this helicopter thing and all time, I've got
to get to that. I've never seen anything so bizarre
in my life. But more later, Mike, why can't we
offer write offs loan write offs for young graduate doctors?
That they said three to five years in New Zealand
where we can they don't work. That was a Winston

(40:02):
Peter's idea many many years ago. It was connected to
the rural sector, and people didn't take it up. When
given the opportunity when you graduate as a doctor, when
given the opportunity to go to London or Geneva or
Soweto or whatever, or having some of your loan paid
off to go to the middle of the North Island,
they didn't take it. So it's tried and it's simply, unfortunately,

(40:25):
for whatever reason, didn't work. Seven twenty.

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sort of theoretical nonsense you would expect from a bunch
of wonks like the Labor Party. But blow me down

(41:40):
if the nets haven't clambered on board as well. Camilla
Bellich has a Member's bill. Members bill don't normally get
to where's hers has given. If they did, the party
would have gone it's not a bad idea and run
with it anyway. But her Employee Remuneration Disclosure Amendments Bill
has passed its second reading and given the NATS has
now turned up. It seems it'll become law now. The

(42:00):
underlying I'm quoting here, the underlying reason for the bill
is to ensure that people who are discriminated against have
the ability relative to other employees doing the same work,
and allows them to discuss that, in other words, discuss
your pay. You serious? So this is how this is
going to go, isn't it. Jenny told me. Jenny told
me she earned seventy six thousand dollars a year, and

(42:22):
we all know she's useless. So how come I'm on
sixty nine thousand.

Speaker 18 (42:25):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Obviously, the room for interpretation here or misinterpretation is immense.
What you think of yourself and what the person handing
out the money thinks might well be very different things.
Jenny might have been there longer, might have been hired
away from another employer, hence they needed a sweetness to
get her across the line. Might have been employed by
a different person in the same company. None of this
leads anywhere productive. As far as I can work out,

(42:46):
this is basically sticky beat law that will lead to resentment, anger,
if not fury about who does what, gets what what
they're really worth. It'll be off as gossip. It'll lead
to people ganging up on people to rumor to when
you end backstabbing in a general sense of our needs
not to mention the fact that if you have an
arrangement with your boss, that's between you and your boss.
There's a privacy issue. Obviously, unionized jobs of mass pay

(43:10):
are different. But a lot of the world's on a contract,
and that contract is legally binding, and it's a legally
binding understanding between you and the other party. I'm not
sure Camilla or her party or now the NATS quite
get the fallout that's coming. Look, if I told you
my income, it'd be a headline and stuff in about
half an hour's time in a national debate would ensue

(43:31):
and ten thousand keyboard warriors would have a field day.
Under this new law, there's nothing stopping me. So watch
this space, Hosking right, the Waitangian Tribunal. So they've rejected,
this is the good news. They've rejected an application to
hold a fast track bid to mind the seabid of party.
This is Taranaki, of course, so trans Tasman Resources. They've

(43:54):
applied through the fast track. This is this new law
to mine for some iron and sign titanium. Some venat
South Taranicki bike whole bunch of harpoo and eue. They were,
that's not fair. We don't want any of this. So
of course, straight to the White Tangy Tribunal to seek
an injunction. Normally they'd get a special hearing, because that's
what the Tangy Tribunal does these days, because there are

(44:15):
a bunch of activists and they'll go, oh yeah, we'll
have a special hearing. It'll lead nowhere. None of them
leads anywhere because they've got no legal power whatsoever. They
just keep publishing report after report that gets ignored anyway.
So Judge Sarah Reeves agreed with the Crown. My god,
I wonder if I wonder if you needed a cup
of tine a lie doown? Sarah Greuts agreed with the
Crown that the fast Track needed a chance to be

(44:37):
proven to be fair. Blow me down. The Crown argued
a panel had not even been appointed and that he
we will contribute to that selection and get us say
once the decision making panel is working. So that almost
sounds like normal people in a room having normal discussions
and agree with each other. Wonders will never cease health,

(44:59):
Menace Simming and Brown on this med school and Eric
Turpel or Topel. He's he's the big man when it
comes to longevity, the study of longevity, what we need
to do to live long, not only live long, but
live well. And that's the key to all of that's
so fascinating. Discussion with him when he joins us after
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Speaker 2 (45:33):
Togs headb Mike, I had one pay relativity experience like
you describe in the nineties where I discovered a work
peer with the same role as paid one thousand dollars
more than me. It's absolutely did Maheaden. There are no
winners with pay relativity. I tend to agree most contracts
Mike Oben involved to have a clause stating that discussing
your remuneration with other staff is a warning offense. Considering

(45:54):
a contract clause cannot overrule the law. Will this new
law meanal contract clause as avoid That's a very very
good question, which is the weirdness about the law in
the first place. Twenty three minutes away from eight now
back to the medical school. There are a few questions
yesterday about the movement of funding figures. We as in

(46:15):
the taxpayer on the hook for eighty two million dollars.
Originally the government initially pledged two hundred and eighty million dollars.
Simming RHMS the health INDUSTRANI is with us on this
morning to.

Speaker 18 (46:23):
You morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Were you surprised yesterday as you stood there next to
mister Luxon and the theatreta of the sort of the
question line and the intensity of the question line and
the sort of the myopic nature of the question line
you were getting or is.

Speaker 13 (46:35):
That just me Well, from my perspective, I think a
number of the questions missed the fact that this is
quite a historic decision for New Zealand. Having a third
medical school, breaking up a duopoly and being able to
increase the number of doctors going into rural medicine and
GP training is really important. So this is a huge decision.
We're very proud of it. We campaign in it, and

(46:56):
we're delivering it, and we're very focused now working along
side all of our medical schools to make sure that
they're providing that future doctor pathways that New Zealand needs
for our healthcare system.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Part of the weirdness was the fact you came in
with eighty two and they come up with one p
fifty and that's less than the two to eighty and
so what you've done is look at something and done
at more cost effectively. And that seemed to be a
problem as well, which surprised me. Do we not like that?

Speaker 13 (47:21):
I mean, well, we're reducing there's less money being spent
by taxpayers, there's more being contributed by the university and
also by the philanthropic supporters of that university. Our focus
now is on delivering this institution. But look, but some
of those people you know who are looking at the
cost quite intently forgetting you know this. This is a

(47:44):
significant increase in doctor training place over a long period
of time. This is a small amount of capital going
into making sure we can train one hundred and twenty
doctors per year over the long term. It's a long
term decision that we've made about securing the future of
medical training in New Zealand. This is a small contribution
of capital money and yes, it's tax payers money. We
respect that, but we've gone through a rigorous process to

(48:05):
make sure that's as efficient and cost effective as possible
so that we can get that long term pipeline that
New Zealanders need.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
The post grad thing, you know, the four year corese
is is it going to be a problem in terms
of having people line up at that in that way
as opposed to what Auckland and the Target did well.

Speaker 13 (48:22):
I think this is the exciting part of this new
school is it's a different model for training doctors. So
instead of people starting and doing the first year health
sciences and then going through another five years at medical school,
these people will have already graduated in another area. They
may well have experience they are in terms of being

(48:43):
a nurse, or being or a paramedic. They may well
have a range of experiences and they'll be bringing that
to this degree and then going back into their community
and being a doctor. And so it's about actually, how
do we attract people who are already living in rural communities,
living in regional New Zealanders giving them opportunities to then
train in place and stay in place, so we can

(49:04):
attract and retain those graduates and that's what they're doing
in Australia. It's a successful model. We're bringing that model
to New Zealand. We're doing things differently because we need
to we need to make sure we're attracting and retaining
our medical staff over a long period of time.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
We had quickly on earlier on and he used the
same line you're using. I'm not convinced. I want you
to be right, but I'm not convinced a graduate will
go where a graduate will go. They might tell you
they want to go back home to the farm, or
they might tell you they want to stay in New Zealand,
but they'll do what they want to do well.

Speaker 13 (49:37):
The research out out of Queensland indicates a much higher
number of graduates will stay back where they're from, So
you get a lot higher numbers staying in there's more
regional communities if that's the model that you're using. And
also it's about the candidates selection as well, So the
candidate selection becomes really important. Make sure you're attracting people

(49:57):
who are already demonstrating a commitment to those communities, providing
them there and to train in those communities much more,
much higher chance than then staying there. That's we have
to do things differently on this MIC and that's why
this model is being supported by this government because we
have to do things differently to attract and retain medical
staff over a long period of time.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Are they going to run a model where if you're
of a certain race you get in more easily like
a tiger in Auckland.

Speaker 13 (50:23):
Look, the focus here is on attracting and retaining people
from those more rural communities regional New Zealand. They will
go through a process where they develop the admission criteria,
but we've been very clear at the same time, this
government is going to be progressing under the Coalition agreement
a review of that MAPUS criteria, which is a commitment
and the coalition agreement.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, but the review is not doing anything, it's just
a review. So will they or won't they?

Speaker 13 (50:48):
Well, their admission criteria will be developed.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, but if it's developed with a MARI person gets
in on seventy nine percent and everyone else's ninety eight percent,
are you going to do that or not?

Speaker 13 (51:00):
We're working obviously with the university. The priority here is
to make sure we're getting people from regional New Zealand
going through.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
This bus It's a simple question, swimming. If the regional
person happens to be Murray, will they get in with
a lower score than a non Murray.

Speaker 13 (51:11):
We want, we want people who have We want to
make sure it's a fear system. Is the current system
for it is, Well, that's why we're doing a review
of it.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
With a view to what fixing it or just looking
at it.

Speaker 10 (51:24):
They need to make sure.

Speaker 13 (51:25):
We need to part of the coalition agreement is to
review whether or not it is supporting people from Marii
and Pacific communities and actually those people are then working
in those communities to improve health outcomes. That's something which
we need to make sure is that actually working is
it not? And then we'll make decisions following that.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
What's your view as you sit here talking to me
this morning, Well, I.

Speaker 13 (51:47):
Want to make sure that we're giving more New Zealanders
opportunities to train to become doctors in New Zealand. And
that's what today's announcement's all about.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
See I'm left with the text now, Swimming, and you
haven't helped me out here. All you're doing is obfuscating
and you have not clearly answered a fairly simple question.

Speaker 13 (52:05):
As I said, today's about making sure that we are
committing to the long term pipeline of doctors. There is
a separate review underway into that and to the MARI
and pacifica admission scheme where we're progressing that as a government.
Ultimately that will then determine the next steps in regards
to those policies.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
I appreciate your time as always, Assuming Brown, the Health
Minister with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Don't have to think just like this sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
A the Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
It'd be thirteen away from it. So obviously I'm not
going to read all the text out. But here's once
again I read to the National Party's problem. I don't
know and this is not about Maori. This is not
race based. On whether you agree with it or disagree that.
You can agree or disagree with all you want doesn't
really matter. What this government or what this party said
is they would get rid of race based. That was
their policy, That's what they promised they would do. So

(53:03):
when I ask a question like will you have a
race based policy for this new medical school, the answer is, well,
we campaigned of course, on getting rid of them, So no,
we won't that would have been the answer, or well
we've changed our mind and know we're going to all that.
Well whatever, But this business of while we're having a
review and we're having how many reviews they're having, we're
still standing by for Tama Potarker's review into the electioneering

(53:25):
and that's going on. I mean, they're just every time
they want to obfuscate or stall, they just go, well,
we're having a review into that, and all that does
is leads you to believe they say one thing, but
they don't really want to do it, and hence they're
trouble in the polls. And that's the difficulty they've got.
And they can't keep hiding because this election is going
to be a bad business. If this is the way

(53:45):
they're going to continue operating, just take a stand and
stand behind your stand and believe in them. Then we
come to the Auckland Mayor's office. I don't mention Auckland issues,
or I try not to because it bores the rest
of the country. But in all, we've got a guy
called Wayne Brown who wants to be re elected. But
he's got a chief of staff and his chief of

(54:06):
staff is called Jazz. Jazz Singh is his name. Anyway,
Jazz ran a company and the company's gone into liquidation.
So Jazz is the chief of staff for the Mayor,
but he's also running a company that's gone into liquidation.
Was the council aware of Jazz's company, Yes they were.

(54:28):
Was the council aware of Jazz's company going into liquidation,
No they weren't. So this has come as a little
bit of a surprise. So then you ask the question,
does Jazz know what he's doing? So initially he was
the head of the Budget and Finance for the mayor

(54:48):
Budget and Finance. Previously, he's held roles as general manager
for Procurement, Head of Risk, manager of property and commercial
legal services.

Speaker 19 (55:00):
I likes them.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Let me quote your brown on Jazz. I'm pleased to
announce that Jazz Singh will be my new chief of staff.
As well as being a strong family man and a
father of six, he's got strong business smarts and will
be the first finance person in the role since the
formation of the supersity. Now, I mean, maybe something's gone

(55:25):
wrong and I don't want to kick a guy when
he's down, and there have been plenty of people from
plenty of companies that, for reasons and circumstances beyond their
own control, they found themselves in an element of difficulty.
In fact, they argue that to be a great entrepreneur
you need to have failed many, many times. But in
the light of him being in the public office, being
paid by the ratepayers of Auckland, but at the same

(55:46):
time watching a company of his go into liquidation and
not really telling the council about it, I'm just wondering
if there might be a few questions there. Turn away
from eight.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
The Mike asking Breakfast with the Landrover, Discovery News, Tom Send.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Fo siving away from Anitball New Zealand. Have you turned
on eligibility rules? The likes of Grays and Wiki who
ditched downleig of course, for the Australians will now be
eligible for the Ferns again. An exemption process will allow
overseas players to formally apply for selection. Matt winner Ray
is the chair of the New Zealand Netball and Nitball
New Zealand's with Us Matt Morning, Good morning, Mike. Did
this need to get as angsty as it did?

Speaker 19 (56:24):
Yeah, that's a good question, Mike Look, you know, we've
been working through it. We've had obviously some continued interests
via lead athletes to play overseas. You know, that's something
that's common across many sporting codes, and we've been working
through this to make sure that we balance, you know,
all the interests we've We've got to balance those players
estimations and their development. We've got needs in the high

(56:45):
performance system and the silk ferns, and obviously we've got
the strength of domestic competition, so we needed to make
sure that was right. I think people got frustrated that
it took us a while to work through those, but
we're very pleased that we're at this point now.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Could you not have foreseen all of this coming? In
other words, you weren't the first sport to face up
to it, and they've all dealt with it in their
own way. You could have gone, hey, when it happens here,
how here's our model, and then you know, met it
when it arrived.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (57:11):
I think all sports are dealing with this and dealing
it with it in their own ways, and this is
a slightly different way from how some other sports have
dealt with it. But you know, we're pleased that We've
got a process in place now which allows us to
balance those different needs and also to understand to really
understand how it fits in with the needs of our
system and our domestic league.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Your domestic league looks weak at the moment.

Speaker 10 (57:36):
Is that fair?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
And has that been part of the problem.

Speaker 19 (57:40):
Now, we've had a great season this season, had a great.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Season, but it's not what it was. You know what
I mean, You're not playing the Australians. It's not quite.
It doesn't quite have the fizz that it used to.

Speaker 19 (57:50):
It's got a lot of fids this year. We've had
great engagement. We've had bigger crowds, we've had more viewership
and everyone's engaged with that. I think we're continuing to
face into a pretty difficult commercial market, but we're committed
to being there next year. We've committed to the system
that we'll be. We'll be putting it on in twenty
six in the same in the same format with six

(58:11):
with six teams, and we're looking forward to continuing that
that growth and engagement that we've seen this year.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Good hey, put another hat on. Congratulations on that report.
Your right on insurance. Do you think it will ultimately
go anywhere.

Speaker 19 (58:27):
Well, well, I hope it does, because it's a it's
you know, it's just another one of these things that
if we kick it down the road that can get's
pretty big and then you can't tick it. And so
so you know what we're trying to do with that
is we look, we're providing advice to the m I
F E, m IF developing the policy. But I think
it's important that there's a conversation about this and we
start start, you know, grasping the editle. Essentially, these are

(58:50):
these are hard problems that there's no easy solutions to
them if we'd already have them. But but we've got
to have that conversation. So I'm hopeful that it does good.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Good nice to talk to you, appreciate it very much.
Matt Winnerray, chair of the Netball in New Zealand, and
I brunched I thought gracefully into another subject. He was
the ahad of the group that wrote the report. Was
it last week or the week before whenever? It was
basically saying, at some point, you've got to work out
that living next to a river is probably not for
you if you want somebody to come to your rescue.

(59:22):
Financially and it cannot be the government forever. And I
know how many years have been saying it on this
program that at some point someone's going to have to
harden up and make a few I reckon the National
Party for it. I reckon National Party. We should probably
do a review.

Speaker 13 (59:39):
Yes, it's a grind as we get the car out
of the ditch and turned up the right way and
into first the second gear.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Couldn't put it better myself anyway, but good on him
for fronting that report and at least at this point anyway,
asking a few hard questions living well, longer, longevity more shortly.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Setting the agenda and talking the big issues the mic,
talking breakfast with a Vita, retirement, communities, life your way,
news talk stead be.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
It a seven past stage. So let's get into a
little bit of health talk and specifically longevity. The king
of the hill is doctor Eric Taple, the cardiologist who's
been researching longevity for decades. Of these in the top
ten must iated authors in the history of medical research,
is also considered one of the top five voices of longevity.
His book is Superaging That's Must read in Doctor Eric

(01:00:25):
Taples wh us out of Lahoya in the states.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Good morning, Thank good morning, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
These exciting, if not historic times in terms of longevity.

Speaker 20 (01:00:35):
I do think so it's not exactly longevity or life span.
I do think it's extending health span. That is the
number of years of life with intact health.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Do you think most people get that, because we are
fascinated with numbers. If you can live to one hundred
and forty three, it's fantastic.

Speaker 20 (01:00:54):
Well, I hope that you get it, because if you
live to ninety and you're perfectly healthy throughout, that ought
to be the goal, rather than trying to live to
one hundred and ten and having many years of dementia
or profound frailty or poor quality of life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Told us through the bicics Solvent, how much of its genetics?
If it's genetics, how much can you do about that?
How young do you need to start? Can you retrofit
to yourself? All of those matters.

Speaker 20 (01:01:23):
Yeah, it turns out the genetics for health span isn't
nearly what we expected. We did a big study fourteen
hundred people, you know, almost age ninety whole genome sequencing.
We didn't find much. And also the patients in the
book I presented in Superagers they had, their relatives died
ninety eight year old woman, her parents, her brothers all

(01:01:45):
died in their fifties and sixties. So it isn't genetics.
That may be a small part. There's a small part
of luck, perhaps, but the big reason that people have
health span that's so extraordinary is because the immune system
is so intact throughout their lives.

Speaker 10 (01:02:03):
How do you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Yeah, so a lot of ways you can do that.

Speaker 20 (01:02:08):
The factors that you know, Mike and I'm sure all
your listeners, like diet that avoids things that are pro inflammatory,
that exercise both aerobic and resistance training, and good sleep health.
These things are fundamental to preventing an untoward inflammation in

(01:02:29):
the body and keeping your.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Immune system intact.

Speaker 20 (01:02:33):
But just more than that, we're learning lots of ways
that we can get the pace of aging in a
person through these clocks. So there's a science of aging
that's giving us these new metrics to assess whether a
person's immune system and their vital organs are pacing at
a fast or slow rate relative to their biological age.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
I suppose the problem we find that the more we
know is whether as averages, So a person like you, guys,
on average, the city, the society, whatever versus me, and
I'm thinking, well, I personally can live to naughty eight
and will So is it individual or is it averages?

Speaker 20 (01:03:15):
Well, really, what's important, at least to me is the
individual story. The averages are meaningless when it comes down
to the single person. So that's why these metrics that
have come from the science of aging are so helpful
because you can look at organ clocks, whole body clocks,
and you can see whether or not there's something that's
off track and get on top of it. Because the

(01:03:37):
big three age related diseases that interfere with our health
span are heart disease, ner general disease, and cancer, and
now they take twenty years to actually while they're incubating
in our bodies. If we can't get ahead of those, Mike,
we got trouble. We have to be smarter than that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
The medical intervention in being able to measure these things
in life. Are we advancing in that area as well?

Speaker 20 (01:04:05):
Yes, as you know, these golp one drugs like ozembic
have profound anti inflammatory effects in the body and the brain.
But that's just the beginning of this gut hormone revolution
in medicine. There's like fifteen of these hormones in combinations
and various doses in pill form that are going to

(01:04:26):
be very important because, as I mentioned, the immune system
keeping that intact and getting rid of bad inflammation. We've
never had good drugs to do that, and we're starting
to see that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
How experimental is this GP stuff that we're taking at
the mindment? I mean, the more I read about it,
I mean, I see what happens to people, but equally
I see potentially what will be seen to be side
effixed down the track. Are we still in an experimental
phase of this? Will not no no longer?

Speaker 20 (01:04:53):
You know, we're twenty years into this golp one story.
Every side of it it has been tracked down. Turns
out it's either not worrisome or it can be. For example,
the muscle mass issue can be counted by resistance training,
so there's no side effect that's going to hold this back. Surprisingly,

(01:05:15):
I mean, really, I'm never want to be supportive of
the pharma industry, but this time it looks like they've
really hit it big and it's just the beginning of it.
Because we haven't gotten these into pills yet, going to
make it much less expensive, and there's much more potent
ones coming, and of course there's other drugs that have
this strong anti inflammatory, pro immune system effect that we're

(01:05:38):
going to see. It's going to make a uge difference
in preventing these diseases.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Will we simply be in an age whereby you can
do whatever you want to do. The doctor eventually goes
you'll need to stop and take some of this. I'll
take the pill or pills, and my problem is over.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
You know, it's never going to be simple as a pill.

Speaker 20 (01:05:56):
There's still the lifestyle factors that we viewed and even
more and of course some of the things that we
have that are real problems, like air pollution and the plastics,
micro nanoplastics and forever chemicals, we're not doing enough to
get those down to control those because those are also affecting. So,

(01:06:19):
you know, it's a combination of all these things. We
have to get on better lifestyle behavioral factors. We have
to do something about our environmental toxins that's not helping
this at all. And of course there's going to be
better treatments and medications to achieve prevention. In the years ahead.
We're going to be able to prevent the Big three

(01:06:40):
diseases like never before, and in fact, we've never done
a good job of any any of them.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Well that's what's so exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I was going to say. As part of the problem, though,
the more we can treat, the heart of the messaging
will be around lifestyle, because surely if we've not looked
after ourselves well to this point, once you've suddenly got
what we would perceive to be a miracle, Cua, you're
not talking to me about exercise and slip because I
didn't need it because I got my magic pill.

Speaker 20 (01:07:04):
Yeah, well, this is a really good point you're making.
But what's different about the current situation is we used
to just tell people this is what you should do,
but there wasn't any specificity at the individual.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Level that a point you made earlier. But we're going
to be able to say to a person, you.

Speaker 20 (01:07:24):
Know, you are at high risk for Alzheimer's disease in
the next fourteen years, and these are the things in
your lifestyle, and we're going to be able to measure
whether or not we change your brain clock and all
these other markers, and they're modifiable, These markers like so
called petower two seventeen, and that's going to be motivating

(01:07:46):
for people as opposed to the general recommendations for the
entire population. So specificity at the individual level and temporal features,
saying when these are things we've never been able to
do before, that's what AI can help provide.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
All right, listen to hold on, Eric, come back to
you in a couple of moments, doctor Eric Topol, who's
out of La Jolla. This morning, fifteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
News Talks, seventeen past I guess is doctor Eric Tapele listen?
Let me ask you this, Eric, Is there still value
do you reckon and regulating sleep, eating well, exercising and
doing that for genuine enjoyment and longevity and actually trying
to avoid pills and potions and medications.

Speaker 20 (01:08:32):
Yeah, this is really important, Mike, because as I reviewed
in the book, if you started age fifty, no less earlier,
but let's say fifty, multiple studies show that if you
are doing the things you just mentioned, you get seven
to ten years of health span intact healthy aging. So

(01:08:54):
it's as you're saying, we don't get people to do
these things. But that in itself to provide a lot
of incentive. But we're going to get even more incentive
in the future by having individualized forecasting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
What's your view on the blue zones?

Speaker 10 (01:09:09):
Are they real?

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Is there something in those nothing at all?

Speaker 20 (01:09:13):
Their bogus? Unfortunately, it was a kind of you know,
affirmation confirmation bias. We all wanted there to be blue zones,
but no, these people it was mythical. They never had
documentation of their ages. And sure there are people that
have extraordinary health span, but that's not been proven by

(01:09:37):
the blue zones.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
What's your expectation, all things being equal, and when we
talk about longevity, you should be what eighty seven and
playing good tennis ninety six and playing excellent volleyball or what.

Speaker 20 (01:09:52):
Well, I would say a superager or what we call
the welderly has gone past eighty five plus and never
had cancer, heart disease, or neurodegenerative disease. It's totally intact,
you know, cognitivevilion physically. Now, if they're playing tennis or whatever,
that's fine, they don't have to. But you know the

(01:10:12):
point is they've reached that age and they've not they've
never had to be hit with the Big three. And
that's a really great goal that we're gonna achieve. And
we're gonna flip the elderly, which is what we have
right now, people at sixty five and older. They're mostly
the elderly with a chronic disease. We're gonna flip that
to the welderly superagers in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Is this western or global?

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Global?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Is Weston a problem? Is being wester In a problem?

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:10:43):
I mean we unfortunately, like for in the US, we
have the worst consumption of ultra processed food, and we
have the worst plastics and microplastics story around there. So
there are some problems Western and particularly US centric that
are really hurting us.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Yeah, isn't a funny. I've always found it fascinating the
more we know. I look at a place like America
or New Zealand's no better in terms of obesity and
food and stuff. So we know the answer, and yet
we don't want to. I mean, how do you explain
obesity and how do you explain how people eat what
they eat and all of that.

Speaker 20 (01:11:19):
Well, unfortunately it's not like a simple explanation, right, I Mean,
it's a lot tied into ultra processed foods and poor diet,
and there's factors that we still don't even understand about
how this has been this steady epidemic of diabesity.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
But you know, we have a counter to that. Now.
We have a class of drugs that.

Speaker 20 (01:11:42):
Help and they're going to be, as I mentioned, much
cheaper and in pill form. The problem we have is
we don't want them to be forever drugs. We hate
to have people taking these for their whole life, so
they could not be obese or marketly overweight.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
We have to come up with strategies that keep people
at a much better.

Speaker 20 (01:12:03):
Health status and body weight throughout their lives without having
to rely on pills.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Idealing two questions from my wife. One, you don't eat
red meat heaven for a long period of time. Where
do you get the stuff that you would get from
red meat from?

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Yeah, well, I love, of course, salmon and seafood.

Speaker 20 (01:12:21):
I love, you know, lots of things that are good
sources of protein that don't require red meat. You know,
I follow largely a plant based diet, Mediterranean type diet.
So yeah, I think red meat has been incriminated for
a long time. You know, I tell my patients you know,
it's fine to have red meat, but just don't do

(01:12:42):
it on a frequent basis.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
But there's some people who are.

Speaker 20 (01:12:46):
Very committed carnivores and I can't affect they're interest.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Second question from my wife. I have an espress, though
at two thirty in the morning every morning. I think
it's a gut cleanser. Am I right? Or am I
killing myself?

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:12:59):
No?

Speaker 20 (01:13:00):
Actually, the data for coffee is so good. It's one
of the only things I know that people love that
it's actually good for you. So all the data show
up to four cups a day or expresso like you take.
There's nothing wrong with that. It actually is an associated
with every positive health outcome you can imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
I've enjoyed the conversation. Maybe we'll get together in ten
years and see how we're going.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
It sounds good. I enjoyed it as well, all.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Right, Eric, go well, Eric Turple, Doctor Eric T. Tople
out of La Joyea this morning. His book is super Agent.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Did be microformer pilates is the bomb for healthy Agent? Craig,
I don't know it's a complete picture. But reformer pilarates
is certainly fun, there's no question about that. Unfortunately, the
food companies will never allow this, the so called heart
rate of food of full of sugar. Yeah, but that's
up to you. You don't rely on you know, companies
to do the job for you. If you want to
eat well and live well, you can. It's up to you,
not them. Sports advertising my has gone from banning alcohol

(01:14:01):
and cigarettes next to the KF said, it's very good
question that I do look at that every time I
see booze or and I just wanted, jeez, am I
getting a bit old on that, you know thing about
sponsorship and sport and elite athletes and fried food and
all that sort of stuff. But at the end of
the day, once again, it's up to you. If you
want to live well and live healthy, then you can.
I don't even know where to start with Britain at

(01:14:21):
the moment they were busy being bogged down yet again
in the Middle East. They've got the water problems teen
water and the disaster and a new regulator, and then
they've got the state age pitchure. Now the problem is
Rachel Reeves, how long she lasts as Chancellor. I got
no idea, but she's said, once upon a time there
were no tax increases, but they are going to be
tax increases. They need some savings. How they're going to
make the savings. Why they're going to up the retirement age,

(01:14:41):
aren't they? And you know how angsty the old retirement
age debates gets because we're having it, have had it,
will have it in this country anyway, Rod for you
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Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
So some debate failed to mention it with Greg earlier
on this morning at the start of the show, with
the business of the shares and the results and all
that sort of stuff. There is a sort of a
I don't know a fear is the right word, but
there's an element of concern in the American market at
the moment that the reporting season may not see any
sort of tariff effect. In other words, people so far,
you know, doing well, and everyone goes say tariffs aren't

(01:15:27):
really a problem. Well, you're starting to see it already Stilantis,
who make cars, and they're into everything from Jeep, Dodge,
fie at Chrysler, Pergo, Maserati, Alpha Lancia. They announced overnight
that the preliminary estimates for the first six months of
this year they're withdrawing their full yet. Gardens by the way,
because they don't have a clue what's going on anymore.

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The effect of US tariffs on their business is five
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similar overnight out of Europe as well. The cut they're
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Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Business Britain, we go on little morning to you mate,
Good morning to you mate. This pension age that you're reviewing,
that labour's reviewing. Is this all tied in some way,
shape or form of the fact that rightel's going to
need a bit more money or save some money here
and this is the next port of call.

Speaker 8 (01:16:27):
Yes, exactly, that's precisely it. Having given a promise to
the elector that they wouldn't raise taxes and then caved
into their own backbenches on saving money through welfare. The
next raid is on pensions. Now, in fairness to labor,
the Tories also have their eyes on pension and the
pension age has been increased. It's now sixty six for men.

(01:16:52):
It's sixty six for everyone. Now it's sixty six for men,
rising to sixty seven two years from now twenty twenty seven.
The idea is that they should bring in the changes
more quickly and also raised the pension age as well.
So they were going to win for if they just
raised the pension age and gave it. You know, the

(01:17:14):
usual thing is to say we're giving you ten years
to think about this. Now it's going to be you know,
two or three years, or they won't get any money.
They won't see the benefit of that revenue.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
How politically angsty is this of.

Speaker 8 (01:17:30):
The options which are on the table for labor, probably
towards the lesser end. I say that simply because the
pension age has already been raised. You know, it's going
to be sixty seven in two years time. It's sixty
six at the moment it was raised from sixty five.

(01:17:51):
So in a sense, it's sort of like boiling the
frog alive in Assurceman. The public is ready for it.
It won't be popular, but it won't be quite as
damaging as saying putting two p on the top right tacks.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Okay, Farajan has idea to have crime. I mean, I
assume it plays there the same way it plays pretty
much in every Western country. The politician who comes out
with the claim that they can do a lot of
good stuff with crime is a popular politician.

Speaker 8 (01:18:20):
Yeah. Well, it follows hot on the heels of an
opinion poll which was out last week which said that
the entire country is terrified or worried about crime, furious
that shoplifters don't get banged up, and doesn't believe that labor,
the Tories or the lib Dems will do anything about it.
So Farrell steps in and says, right, we're going to
build We're going to build a bunch of what he's

(01:18:40):
calling Nightingale prisons on mod Land, which will house sixteen
thousand prisoners. Every shoplifter who gets convicted should be going
to prison, and all this cinctus very very robust stuff.
Every mobile phone with stolen. We will track it down.

Speaker 10 (01:18:57):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:18:58):
It's it's it's great populist stuff. He's even suggested sending
foreign criminals and indeed some domestic criminals to help Salvador.
I know Donald Trump picked El Salvador out, but it's
a bit different for us. So there is it will

(01:19:21):
get him another two or three percent in the polls,
you know, and this will keep going. No way that
he can expert pay for all of this, but nonetheless
it's very very popular stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Speaking of answers, a couple of things I've been reading
while I've been a why that there was this protest
over the weekend. A thousand people gathered at the Bell
Hotel and ipping in Essex. This is this, this migration
immigration hotel bill. I know the government we're busy saying,
oh look we've cut the bill by thirty percent. Is
this ever going to end? Do you think all for
every summer for the next one hundred years there are
going to be protests, there are going to be boats,

(01:19:53):
there are going to be promises.

Speaker 8 (01:19:54):
Well, I don't know. I think it would end if
reforms are into power, because I think if reform do
get in power, then fairly swift decisions would be taken
on the future of asylum seekers. And that's what it
would seem again with reform that the public wants. The
people who were demonstrating in epic where an Ethiopian asylum

(01:20:19):
seeker is up in court for having sexually assaulted a
young or allegedly sexually assaulting a fourteen year old girl,
the people who were protesting, Yeah, there were the usual lot.
There were the usual lot in their cent George's T
shirts and their crew cuts, you know. But there were
also company directors and grandmothers and it's quite posh epping

(01:20:44):
and you know, very respectable members of the society. And
I have to tell you the whole communities up and
down the country feel exactly the same way.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Interesting the teams I know Tims water as you post
a child for privatization gone wrong. Is the water system
in Britain generally stuffed or is it just Teams water
and does as regulate to change anything?

Speaker 8 (01:21:08):
Now the whole thing's stuffed, mate, I'm afraid Thameswater is
merely the worst possible example of it. We have Victorian infrastructure,
that is true, not enough of it has been repaired
and brought up to date. But we are one of
the rainiest countries in the world, and you know there's
a hose pipe ban in force at the moment. Who

(01:21:30):
thirty or forty percent of our water goes down the
swammy and it's it's it's excruciating as well because they've
done so badly on issues of cleanliness. So there really
is again. You know, if you're a populist from the left,
you would say nationalize a lot of them now, and
you would have a lot of support for that from

(01:21:52):
people who more normally don't go in for nationalization. As
it is, the government may follow the suggestions in this
report on the state of British water industry by scrapping
off the com which is a regulatory body and which
is utterly useless. But there are a few other suggestions

(01:22:13):
in there which may or may not get taken up.
But the crucial one is it ought to be state owned.
People believe right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Go well, we'll see you Thursday. Rod little out of Britain.
By the way, I note last week that the German Chancellor,
on his first visit to Starmer, suggested this mets. He
suggested they're going to have a direct train between London
and Berlin. I believe it when I see it. They
sitting up a joint task force. But I believe it
when I see it. It's not a bad idea. Sixteen two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Taking away from Line Developing News and Philly significant. Sky
TV has bought TV three for a buck. So at
first blush that's exceedingly depressing because there's yet an the
media asset worth essentially nothing, and sky TV, god bless them,
have seen that, and so a dollar will change hands
and TV three will have a new owner. So Warner

(01:23:09):
Brothers are out of the country. The good news of
that is Warner Brothers, of course, given their various international problems,
I'm sure weren't remotely interested in being in the country anymore,
so they'll be grateful to get the hell out. Several
questions come out of it, whether the Commerce Commission will
need to be involved in that. I mean, can a
major player i e. Sky by another major player i e.
TV three without the Commerce Commission going? Can I have

(01:23:32):
some answers to a few questions. Another question would be
it's very bad news for TV and Z because of
course it will give Sky huge leverage on sport because
they'll be able to go to oh, I don't know,
let me think of a person of the rugby Union.
So they'll be able to go to the Rugby Union
and they'll be able to go give you all the
Sky channels, and we're going to stick you on free

(01:23:52):
to wear as well. I mean they've already got Sky
open of course, but they can stick it on TV
three and maximize that. So very bad news for TB
and Z, who, as far as I know, sort of
want to get back into the sports business or trying
to get back into the sports business. Will Sky be
interested in continuing to pay stuff for the six o'clock

(01:24:13):
news to run on TV three? Will Sky even be
interested in news? If Sky is interested in news, would
Sky want to pay stuff or would Sky want to
do it themselves. So there's some question marks around that
this will all unfold as of the first of August,
as in next week, and they've bought three as in
TV three three now in the Eden brands. Those Eden brands,

(01:24:34):
I can't even remember what they called. They're called you know,
they're like there was World, those weird programs, you know,
like the renovation programs and all that stuff and decide dollar.
So the lady from Stuff whose name I Bocher, she
know Boscher, she bought her stuff for a buck, and
Sky's bought TV three.

Speaker 10 (01:24:54):
For a buck.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
So two dollars and Welcometinuez. Two dollars buys you profound
amounts of influence control in the New Zealand media landscape.
Some of us sit here and make money. Others exchange
hands for pocket change. It's turned away from.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Night the Mike Hostal Breakfast with a Vita Retirement Communities
News togs Head been.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
I'm very excited to hear that Giltrap. Giltrap are a
big car dealership. If you watch any racing car driver
on their helmet somewhere will be the word Giltrap group. Anyway,
they had this thing and I started telling you about
it several years ago. And it's the third year and
our third edition of their Starship Supercar Show. It's a
charity show raises money for the Starship Foundation, and it's

(01:25:40):
they're putting it on in September. I'm just giving your
heads up on this. They're putting it on September twentieth
and twenty first, and it's the first weekend of the
school holidays. And the reason they've done that is smart
because it really is such a fantastic thing. It really
is profound. I've been both years and the cars they
put on for sh oh really are amazing, beyond amazing.

(01:26:03):
Not just I mean they've got all the all the
ones you think you'll see. Yes, the astons are there,
and the bent leads are there, and the lambows are there.
But the building itself, Giltrap's Buildings, beautiful, their headquarters, it's
over five levels. There are there are many many mini
many mini cars. So they raise money for the Starship Foundation.
In fact, all the money goes to the Starship Foundation.
So as of the twenty fourth of July, which today

(01:26:26):
being the twenty so in a couple of days time,
so let's call it Thursday, you can buy. Your tickets
are only twenty five bucks. So the point being because
it's in the score holidays, if you are out of Auckland,
I actually would recommend it in terms of if you're
outside of Auckland, it is worth the journey to come.
If you're a car nut or your kids are car nuts,
it is worth the journey to Travel, Supercar Show dot
co dot NZ, Supercar Show dot co dot INZ. The

(01:26:48):
twovs cars. Last time I saw was a dB five
Aston Martin dB five just just just unbelievable, just restored
within an inch of its life, be worth millions the
cars literally you never see. The other one I saw
that I'd never seen in the flesh before or in
the metal as they say, was a Lamborghini Miror, which

(01:27:08):
was sort of the first of the truly great supercars
at the time. And it's what you're reminded of is
New Zealand's love and passion for amazing cars and how
most of these you didn't even know were here, but
they come out for the show. So that's in September
something to note down. And Supercar Show dot co dot
MZ tickets on sale in a couple of days time.

(01:27:29):
It is well and truly worth it, mark my words.
I'll be back for a third year. Five Away from.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Hunter Biden So Channel five is Channel five in America
have done an interview with Hunter. The interview is three
hours long. They might be able to sell that for
a dollar. Yeah, I know he had a bit of
a pop at various people who treated as Dad poorly,
including somebody called George Clooney.

Speaker 21 (01:28:04):
Kim Kim Kim and everybody around him, I don't have
to be nice. And James Carville, who hasn't run a
race in forty years, and David Axelrod, who had one
success in his political life and that was Barack Obama.
Who's Jake Tapper's adience Jake tappert my mom or something. Well,
I don't know for real though, I don't even think

(01:28:24):
it's your mom anymore, because by the numbers, what influence
does Jake Tapper have over anything? Here's the smallest audience
on cable news.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Which is true actually because I was looking at the
writings funnily enough the other day and see you and
I don't know what c you need to do to
get out of the hole. Errand and when I watch them,
and I watch a bit of cee in, Caitlin Collins
is my favorite. I think Anderson Cooper looks like he
literally is about to die of boredom. I've never seen
a guy run his own show and look so bored

(01:28:54):
doing it in my life, but never those Kaitlin Collins
is a is a name you want to watch and
as a genuine talent, but they just have no numbers
when you look at the cable news numbers, they just
have no audience at all. And I just can't work
out how they dig themselves out of that hole. My
initial observation would be not to go down the track
of Channel five and interview Hunter Biden for three hours.

(01:29:15):
I'm not really sure that's a ratings winner, But then again,
what do I know well on that case, as far
as ratings did, I'm back to you know who's more
mud not to blow my own trumpet too loudly. Fortunately,
we're coming to a fairly rapid conclusion for the day's show.
Back tomorrow morning, as always, Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
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