Full Show Podcast: 22 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The breakfast show you can trust the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential, commercial
and rural news togs had been.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Adding and welcome today the free strike to Agine gets titans.
We're fast tracking more medical people. Are motar is back,
but not in a good way. I'm afraid the PM
pops and are Stephen Frye pops in? After eight? Catherine
Field has the French staff, and Roderick Little covers the
Mighty UK for us Husking. Here we go for a
Tuesday morning at seven past six. A question for you?
Is there too much self interest in the Auckland Airport

(00:32):
upset over increased visitor levy fees? Auckland Airport bosses worried
about flat line tourism spending That was your headline yesterday?
Are they? Why now? Why not last year or the
year before that? Why not went on this program? For
over two years now, we've been crying out for someone
to listen to the fact that it was becoming increasingly
clear that we had managed to butcher our second or

(00:54):
first biggest foreign income earner. For years it was dairy tourism, tourism,
dairy back and forth dueling for the title of the
biggest foreign income earner for this country. Where were they then?
A small irony? Also, if the airport are worried about
increased charges, ask the airlines whether the airport has shown
the same concern over their charges to fund their expansion anyway.
Is the airport worried about tourism because we should all

(01:16):
be worried about tourism, or is the airport worried about
tourism because it affects their bottom line and ability to
funnel money back to the shareholders and are worrying about
the visitor levy? Is that something that genuinely affects tourism
numbers anyway, or simply a scapegoat for much larger problems.
I would argue the latter. Yes, any increased cost is
to be avoided if we can. But when you're coming
to New Zealand from London or Washington or Beijing, another

(01:38):
seventy bucks isn't going to break you. And if it
is the difference, you wouldn't be traveling long Hall in
the first place. The real issue is New Zealand inc.
The closed borders, lack of international contact, our inability post
COVID to get out there effectively enough and hustle. Nothing
is more expensive if you want to look at travel
than London, Paris, New York, or the med in the
peak of the European or northern summer. But people and

(02:00):
they pay, and their stats aren't our stats. Not to
mention our dollar makes everything cheaper anyway, The cold hard
truth is our fundamentals aren't right, our settings are off.
Our reputation is in need of major repair, if not overhauled.
Worry about seventy bucks is to miss the point.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, they've been voting in Moldova. Two things to think about.
We've got a presidential race and whether to join the.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
EU hunble to thirty thousand Moldovan voters got bank cards
are from Russians banks, and they were paid through these
cards to vote in a way that was demanded by
Russian supported candidates.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
And only cards exactly. And so that's why it's suspicious
our crunch the numbers for you in mind, but also
voting are those particularly eager. In the u United States
of America, the Dems have worked out their policies aren't
hitting home, so they're now resorting to trying to freak
the voter out.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
He's becoming increasingly unstable and unhinged. I think the American
people are seeing it, witnessing in real time, and I
think the American people deserve better than someone who acts
actually seems to be unstable.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
If you're an NFL fan and you watch Pittsburgh take
on New York yesterday, and New York played abysmally, but
that's another anyway, you might have heard this small clue
that's not for Harris. The war the Israelis aren't finished

(03:23):
with by route yet.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
The force of the explosion has completely pancaked this building.
Now in the upper levels you can see people's possessions.
I'm seeing a kitchen cupboard, a washing machine, even the
building opposite. The walls have been ripped out on people's homes.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
And an Australia, the King was out and about.

Speaker 6 (03:43):
In my many visits to Australia, I have witnessed the
courage and hope that have guided the nations long and
sometimes difficult journey towards reconciliation.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Unfortunately, so were some of the lower hanging fruit from
the Parliament.

Speaker 7 (03:59):
Calling Global Truth, telling about the royals who cause so
much devastation to not only our people in this country,
but indigenous people around the world.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Brian Late pediatricians are worried teenagers are consuming too many supplements.
We've got some new numbers from the US National Upholes
revealed forty percent of them they're taking protein supplements, boys
more likely than girls. Of the forty six percent of
boys who were taking them, more than half said it
was for muscle. Girls said it was for weight loss
or for replace a meal when they're busy. The dietician
saying that it's really advised that teams need any form

(04:34):
of supplement at all and could put them at risk
of dehydration and kidney issues. And that is news of
the world. In ninety seconds, China, we can't stop talking
about China. Another twenty five points. People's Bank of China
one year loan prime rate down to three point one,
five year LPR trim to three point six. The one
year influences the corporate loans and a lot of household loans.

(04:55):
The five year does the mortgages, so it's not like
they're not trying. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
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Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, mold over fascinating. So two bots, one for the presidency.
There is the claim of interference from the Russians. The
Russians not particularly keen on the Moldomens joining the EU,
of course, so they're going to a second round and
the presidential race because it's one of those if you
don't get fifty percent, you go again. Then when it
came to joining Europe, fifty point one six percent seed yes,

(05:29):
so some question mark's ober where that goes. So we'll
talk to Catherine about that. In half an hour's time.
Fourteen passes, they haven't funds management. Greg Smith, morning to you.
More into Mike, Glad you raised this because this fascinates me.
So we're going to need to get over our fixation
in this country with our attitude to you the old
nuclear because if you look at Amazon and Google and Microsoft,
this is the future. And if you want to run

(05:51):
a data center, this is whay. Probably we're going to
have to go, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (05:54):
Yeah, that's right. I'm sending a big signal. See look
at some of the deals in the past week. So
if you look at appose, you know that the woods
demand for sort of clean energy. You know, the proliferation
of AI, in particularly gener of AI is really accelerating.
And say, look the typical Google search, it con chums
a few watts of energy. A generative AI model that
might use several hundred. So that's pretty much. So you

(06:14):
had a big technolok and to get ahead of the
game preps because they see that, you know, renewables will
be your battery paw don't doesn't cut it in terms
of other ord teramative. So look at Amazon, they are
cloud computing business. They are investing more than five hundred
million and three nuclear power projects in the US, so
they've got a deal with Virginia's utility company and so
they building these small module and new Kiley erectors, which yeah,

(06:35):
seeing as being more efficient obviously cheaper than larger nuclearrectors,
and they'll still take a few years to build, so
you've got to plan for them. Google they've announced that
they'll purchase power from and developer Chiros to develop similar
small module in nuclearrectors. And you look at Microsoft, so
they've got a twenty ideal of constellation purchase pair from
three Mile Island in Pennsylvania and that's set to reopen

(06:55):
in twenty twenty eight, just on that point three mile
that was actually the start of the worst nuclear accident
history and had a melt down back in nineteen seventy nine.
So I suppose that's been part of the thing holding
back nuclear power, those safety concerns. Obviously we had fuck
Shima that was back in twenty eleven. Now that was
caused obviously to a tsunami, so uranium that was shunned
in the aftermath. But yeah, needs must as you say,

(07:16):
and I think our attitudes are changing. So the World
Nuclear Association lack in nuclear CAPACI is going to grow
nearly eighty percent in demand for uranium. That's going to
double by twenty forty. So I've actually got four hundred
operable reactors globally, sixty under construction thereabouts and over one
hundred plans. So it still takes a long time to
build them up to ten years. Uranian prices they have

(07:38):
been volatile, but yeah, sheares in nuclear energy companies and
companies that build reactors, I've been running up to record levels.
Constallation Energy, They've got the largest fleet of reactors in
the US. They've seen a cheer price up one hundred
and thirty percent this year in uranium minor chemico that
was up again overnight record high. So yeah, times are
a changing mic and needs masks.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yes, indeed. And then we come to Genesis, which is interesting.

Speaker 8 (08:00):
What was their update, Well, their update was was a
pretty good one from their perspective. It just shows you,
you know, obviously we've got fantastic hydrogeneration, but that can
be problematic when lake's low, when the weather is dry,
and obviously we've seen that in recent months. So they've
had their update and they said showing that Huntley was
kept very busy. So Huntley it's gonna be around about
eight percent of national electricity supply, so that stepped up

(08:23):
during August to around twenty percent. So they literally kept
the light sign during the drive with them, particularly in
particular in ukham White, so a lot of coal going
on the fire. They have looked at trial and biomass
and they want to do that, but you know, for
the moment it's largely coal, so that a third unit
going there. So one thousand and eighty one Gigat's prayer.
It was up fifty two percent on a year ago
generation up eighteen percent and getting a good.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Price for it.

Speaker 8 (08:46):
As well. If you look at the average price, it
was three in the thirty eight bucks and meg go
it out and it was up from one hundred and
thirty one a year ago. So it just shows you
the tight market, but that they did know how New
zeal needs to work on. You've alluded to this our
energy security and you look at Huntley, she said that
it's going to be an economic beyond twenty twenty eight.
So what happens if you don't have a dry spell
in a few years time. They said, that's going to

(09:06):
require a lot of investment and they and they need
to have some sharing in it. And then they in
this coupe, they've got forty six percent of that production
down eighteen percent there and our guests supplies are also
running out, and of course the previous government put a
band on new expiration, so or bit of a problem. Yeah,
wind and solar are great, but not so good when
wind's not blying and the sun's not shining. But you

(09:26):
have got this push into renewables. Obviously the deal of
t Wise helping their genesis is also on that journey.
They've got a solar farm at Lauriston that's on track
for December. But yeah, overall good update and they should be. Yeah,
they made a good start to hitting y twenty five
innion skyes torn than sixty million.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
All right, give me some numbers.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
Yeah, okay, So the use inders have actually stepped back
from their record highs, taken a bit of a breather.
The Dow is down point eight percent four nine four nine,
some people five hundreds down a half percent five eight
three eight, NAAR's deck down point two percent. For one
hundred down half a percent eight three one eight, Nick
down point seven cent. CSI three hundred that had had
a good reaction to those into straight cautch you mentioned

(10:06):
in China up point two five percent, SX two hundred
up points seven cent, NZ fifty Have we got close
to thirteen thousand, Mike, we haven't been there since December
tween twenty one. We're up ninety nine points on the
NZ to fifty twelve ninety two three, Gold staying around
record highs pretty flat two seven two two announced oil
seventy spot fifty nine, up two percent. Currency markets, we

(10:26):
were down slightly against the US sixty spot three Qui
flat against a DOL ninety points six, and we're down
slightly against stealing forty six point five.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
You have a good one. Make ketchup tomorrow. Appreciate it
very much. Devin Funds Management, where you will find mister
G Smith asking, speaking of which, if you wanted more
reading a very good piece in the Herald yesterday by
mister G Smith, why the RB has to cut the
OCR by at least zero point seventy five percent at
its next meeting. Now Greg said this before. He said
it last time and he wasn't going to get it,

(10:56):
and he didn't get it, but he's arguing this time
you need to. And it's well worth reading. It's a
very good piece and it's it's summarized very well by
says our economic data is dire and the RB and
Z should probably be pushing the panic button. Inform yourself.
It's in the Herald yesterday seven, twenty six, twenty eight,
twenty nine, twenty fifteen.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
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Speaker 2 (11:25):
B Another day. Now the poll the Australian Financial Review
freshwater strategy pole. What does it tell us? Elbow and
Dutton a locked head to head forty four to forty
three as preferred Prime minister. Once upon a time, not
long ago, it was fifty five to twenty nine. Remember
this is Albanese's first term, fifty five to twenty nine
down to forty four to forty three. Two Party preferred
fifty one to forty nine to the coalition. So Elbow's

(11:47):
troubles continue. Sex twenty four.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
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Speaker 2 (11:55):
Still feeling awfully good about what Liam Lawson did in
Austin this time Yesterday started nineteenth as I'm sure you
well aware, and now finished night, so that's in the point.
He also beat Snoda that's critical and Tooda knows it.
After the pitstop, Lawson came out in front.

Speaker 9 (12:07):
Of him.

Speaker 10 (12:10):
This hap you CODEO.

Speaker 9 (12:11):
The couples then expected and we picked up our five
second's penalty for forcing Alborn off the truck.

Speaker 11 (12:17):
Still discussing, and Liam Lawson was.

Speaker 9 (12:20):
Also about four tenths of a lap quicker on older
tires as well, down.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
To you you can't argue well then after the right
everyone wide and including Will Buxton. He was on the
show last week.

Speaker 9 (12:28):
Where he really shone. This weekend for me in two places.
Q one yesterday because that lap was sensation, and then
the race today it was just the consistent racecraft, the
constant pushing. He was on it every lap. It was composed,
it was measured. You don't expect the guy to step
into the car on a track he's not driven before.

(12:49):
We're just talking about you and not just raced through
and race brilliantly. Now its score points, mister Lilliam Lawson exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Here's what he had to say, nineteenth to ninth.

Speaker 11 (13:02):
Yeah, I mean it was cool, it was cool.

Speaker 12 (13:05):
It's obviously there's been a lot of talk coming into
this weekends in my position, and I've really just tried
to ignore all of it really and just focus on
driving this weekends. I know these races are important. Nobody
needs to tell me that, and I know that for me,
my goal is just to be in Formula one next
year and these races are are a ticket to doing that.

(13:25):
So plenty more to come, a lot more to learn
as well.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
We're really mate. It was Christian Horner who had just
been answering questions about how museless careers is and what
they need to do about that, and needed this.

Speaker 13 (13:36):
It's a sample of one, and I think I thought
he jumped in and he looked like a veteran. To
be honest with you, I mean he's a great racer.
I think he can be very happy with that drive today.
I thought he drove a great Grand Prix. I me,
he's starting nineteen, finishing in the points, some great overtakes,
so I mean he should be pleased with that.

Speaker 9 (13:52):
He upset Fernando a lotso so you know he's a
feightsty character.

Speaker 11 (13:54):
I tracked, don't you.

Speaker 13 (13:55):
Yeah, when you're upsetting Fernando, you know you know that
you're doing something right.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
So he's a tough, hard racer. Yes, he is. Helmet
Marco was full of praise as well, which is also
very important. It was suggested to me by more than
one person within the racing community that watch Mexico, which
is this coming weekend if Perez continues to underperform, because
you've got to remember, at this particular point, it's the
constructors that's at play. Red Bull were going to bolt
home with the constructors. This is where all the money is.

(14:21):
There's no prize money for winning the drivers, so the
Stap and Mail may not win. The driver's no prize
money for that. The money is in the constructors and
Red Bull. We're winning. Now they're losing. They're not only second.
They've got Ferrari breathing down their neck. And what they
need in Christian Horner was busy saying this yesterday with
the Delta is what you need is two people hunting together.
The Ferraris were one and two, Red Bull were three

(14:41):
and seven, and so Perez is not holding up his
end of the bargain. And if they think they've got
a driver that can get the more points between now
and the end of the season. This is where my
two contacts came in and said, do not be surprised
if Perez is jettison out of the car after Mexico
and Lilliam's in a Red Bull before the end of
the season. News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
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Speaker 2 (15:15):
Trying to work out whether I'm interested in consultants. The
promise was that we need to spend less on consultants.
We're spending well, we are spending less. Overall. We've gone
from one point two seven und nine hundred and forty,
so that's about three hundred million dollars, so that's a
lot less. This is a good sign. But some, of
course are spending more. I can inform you that doc
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(15:37):
on consultants as well. Crowned Law and the Independent Children's
Monitor are all spending more. Social House the Prime Minister
about this in a hour's time, twenty three minutes away
from seven Muldover. And the importance of Moldover is whether
Russia interfered with the election, because Georgia, which is also
reasonably close to Russia as well, is voting next week.
Catherine Field all over this and so we'll come for

(15:58):
that in shortly means on back home. First of the
seventeen major roading projects is underway. Roads of National Significance,
or RONS as they were calling them yesterday in the
postcab press conference. Rons the hawks by expressways the first
cab off the rank. With work being brought forward at
least twelve months, twenty nine thousand vehicles a day. It's
going to go from two to four lanes. The Hawksbay
Chamber of Commerce CEO Calor Leeds with us Carla.

Speaker 14 (16:19):
Morning, Good morning Mike.

Speaker 15 (16:21):
How are you very well?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Indeed? I love a road. Do you love a road?

Speaker 16 (16:24):
I do love a road.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I've driven. There's one north of Auckland. Have you driven
the north of Auckland to pooh Hoy? The new road there?
The road of National significance?

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Or no?

Speaker 16 (16:34):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
No, it's life changing, believing it is. It's literally you're
on that road and you're thinking, God, I wish we'd
done this twenty years ago. My life is so much
easier because of it. That's what you're in for in
the Hawks Bay.

Speaker 16 (16:47):
Oh, I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
It's exciting. What's the vibe in the area.

Speaker 16 (16:52):
Oh, we are all very excited about this road going.
This has been a really long time coming and it
has been hard going through that expressway. I personally drive
it every single day. So it's going to make a
massive difference to many many people in the region.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
For people who have not been on it. When they
called it an expressway, is it express Is it a
good road as it stands? Or passed its use by?

Speaker 16 (17:18):
No passa use by. It is not an expressway at all.
That word should not be used for that road. It
is quite the opposite, especially at peak times, and it's
been like that for a long time, but considerably worse
since Cyclone Gabriel.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I was going to say, so unique set of circumstances
in your particular part of the world. Is the Gabriel
experience reminded you of the value of good efficient roading.

Speaker 16 (17:42):
Absolutely, we were reminded that we aren't as resilient as
we should be, and we need to improve that so
that we're never in that position ever.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Again, what sort of use is the road getting for
people who have not used it? Is this will improve
mainly for trucks and transport that sort of thing, or
is it a commuter bit of roadway as well?

Speaker 16 (18:02):
It's both. It actually spans across many things, so a
lot of tracks come through there to go to our port,
which is incredibly important for our freight. But our commuters
that go between Napier and Hastings every single day is.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Huge, fantastic. What's the vibe in the bay given I've got.

Speaker 16 (18:21):
You, Oh, the vibe in the bay. We are really
looking forward to summer. Good, So it's here, it's not
pretending to be here. Obviously we come from a primary
industry region that we're growing our crops is incredibly important.
So the summer's coming out and things are looking really

(18:42):
good for Hawks Bay and this news is exactly what
we need going in summer.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Very good to hear. Kinda go well with a Karla Lee,
who is the Hawk's Bay Chamber of Commerce CEO, twenty
minutes away from seven past consultants are an issue. We've
also got the payments. We had the news yesterday about
the for the first time ever, the average wage in
the public services cracked one hundred thousand dollars, and then
yesterday we got the list of who's earning the most.

(19:07):
It is, of course, the Public Service Commission that earns
the most on average. The average salary in the Public
Service Commission is one hundred and fifty five thousand dollars.
Second is the Social Investment Agency, which as far as
I know doesn't even exist yet. That's the one that
cost is going to. But the average wage there is
one hundred and forty nine thousand, two hundred and then
third is the very new David Seymour Ministry of Regulation,

(19:29):
where you will earn on average there one hundred and
forty eight thousand, eight hundred dollars. Does this bother you?
Is this another thing I should be raising with the
Prime Minister? Or do we have bigger fish to fry?
Nineteen to two.

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Mike doesn't bother me. If you want the level of
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for it. That's why I raised it. It's very easy
to sort of pack on that sort of thing in

(20:53):
all that sort of stuff, so I'm just getting a
feel for it. Will the new hawks By Expressway might
be a toll road. Probably are not made an announcement officially,
but they have hinted strongly enough. I suspect that somebody's
going to pay for it, and we don't have any money,
so it's probably going to Most of the national roads
of significance are going to end up that way. Six
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(21:15):
Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business in France. Catainfield
A very good morning to you.

Speaker 18 (21:20):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
So muld over the two votes one for the president,
they're going to have to go again and the other
one for this joining the EU thing. How much is
Russia involved and how worried are we that Russia's potentially involved.

Speaker 18 (21:33):
We are worried, and it comes at a time when
there's just really is no good news coming from the
East of Europe. Yes, it is pretty much being said
openly here now that Russia was very heavily evolved in
disinformation and possibly even vote buying and to influence not

(21:53):
just this referendum on closer tied to the European Union,
but also in the presidential election. It had been assumed
that the incumbent president that she would get a second term.

Speaker 15 (22:06):
She didn't.

Speaker 18 (22:06):
She fell well short of that, got only forty two percent.
And this means she now goes up against the pro
Russian socialist candidate who campaigns in Russian, who really appeals
to the Russians in Moldova. Extraordinary that we're talking about
the small, landlocked country might two point six million people,
but it's where it is so strategic. It's because it's

(22:29):
sort of sandwiched there in between Romania and also to Ukraine,
and the real fear is that if Russia gets more
of a foothold there, then it really does not only
seem as though Russia's closer to NATO's border because it
would be on the other side of Ukraine, if you like,
but also would mean that there would be that great

(22:51):
stretch of Russian occupied territory coming right through across from
Crimea right up to the Romanian border.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Jeez, it's interesting geopolitically at the moment, which does I
suppose to I've tail into this business of North Korea.
Are the North Koreans rolling into Ukraine to fight on
behalf of the Russians or not?

Speaker 18 (23:09):
A good question, Mike. The South Korean National Intelligence Service
says that around fifteen hundred special troops from North Korea
have gone to Russia.

Speaker 14 (23:20):
Now.

Speaker 18 (23:20):
The reason that they have gone is because, let's not
forget about a month or so ago, Russia and North
Korea signed a partnership treaty which includes military assistance of
either country is attacked. So what we're hearing from the
Ukrainian side is, boy, there better not be because this
would take everything to another level of escalation. It would

(23:42):
not just violate you in resolutions, it would not as
violate international law, but it would escalate it even further
because it would mean that there are growing military cooperation
from outside the region. It would also mean there's more
arms transfer and actually soldiers' boots on the ground. So
the concern is will they be sent to Ukraine. Well,

(24:03):
it could be that they would just go and defend
that Russian border region which is to the east of Ukraine,
which Ukraine is firing missiles into all the time. Would
those North Koreans be going there to train or to fight?
There have been some North Korean offices seen in the
east of Ukraine, but there's nothing like that large number

(24:26):
of actual troops there. But certainly this is the big
concern at the moment, is that this would widen the
conflicts so be so much that you know, where do
you go from here exactly?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't know if you're following this at all, but
I'm semi fascinated this Bricks meeting that starts today in Russia,
hosted by Russia and Putna noted the other day said
most of the world's christ coming out of the Bricks organization.
I mean, do you guys sit in Europe wonder about
all of this? And they seem to be growing And
then the North Koreans are involved and the war's gone
on for years now, and Trump might win the election
and that's the end of the money. I mean, there's

(24:59):
a lot to think about.

Speaker 18 (25:00):
There is a lot to think about. Yes, we have
heard in the last last couple of weeks that there
is a special unit now being set up in a
sort of London Lions office the head of the European
Commission this what do we do if Trump has re
elected that learn lessons from the past, build everything up.

(25:20):
I think what a lot of people are talking about here,
Mike is and now it finally is being said that
there is a Cold War II now happening, and you
can't you can't just hide it away anymore. That we're
right back to where we were in the sixties, where
you've got these two big blocks. The difference, of course is, Mike,
are the other players in the neighborhood. Now you've got China,

(25:41):
You've got North Korea, You've got these countries that have
got mini more weapons that we saw in the in
the first Cold War, and they're also looking at areas
much further away. You hear all the time here now
all the time people talking about Taiwan. Is Taiwan going
to to be the flashpoint? Is it going to be

(26:02):
what Berlin was in the First Cold War? Is that
what Taiwan is going to bee?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Is that interesting? All right? Nice to talk to Catherine.
Go well, catch up next week. Catherine Field in front
and my ongoing fascination with India. We are desperate to
do business with India, I mean not China's bad enough
at the moment. China's at the bricks meeting, and India
is at the bricks meeting, and we can't fall over
ourselves enough to do business with India for obvious reasons.
And yet they're sitting there in the middle of Russia.

(26:27):
So on, completely the opposite side to us. Speaking of which,
Assange's father, who's at the bricks meeting in Russia. Assange's
father says, he's grateful to putin for the long standings
of for all you lovies who loved Julian Assange. He's
grateful to putin for the long standing support of the

(26:48):
son and his ongoing persecution by Western authorities. As a
John Shipton rived in Moscow Sunday for the bricks meeting,
Putin was the quote unquote the first head of state
to defend Julian's interests. Just the sort of person you
want on your site. Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
On my costing Breakfast with al Vida Retirement Communities News, togs.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Hed be like, Nope, I don't think those wages of
the public servants are out of step with where they
should be. Most of those positions will need to be
held with university degrees. If I had agree, I would
expect one hundred thousand dollars. I think there's probably fair enough.
By the way, speaking of universities, there's a growing angst
at the moment of the number of people applying to
go to university in terms of halls and residents and
stuff and missing out. So I'll come back to that
later on in the program. Mike, how many public servants

(27:30):
get paid more than MPs? My guess is thousands? Are
I think you guess would be wrong. It would be hundreds,
but certainly not thousands, which doesn't seem right. Surely members
of Parliament should be at the top of the public
salary tree. Why because they're so brilliant, Because they are
little individual pieces of genius that we can't pay enough.
I don't think so. Five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Well, the ins and the outs, it's the fizz with
business favor take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
But some are idiots. According to the House of Travel
cooations are trending. We're just making up words these days.
Is this is what the travels as cool cations cool caations,
So that hashtag see it says, is that what it is.
You travel during the shoulder season, so that's the period
between peak and off, and you travel to places that
are cooler weather, fewer crowds, good deals. But for the
first time ever, callcations to Europe are expected to match

(28:24):
summer volumes of travel next year. Isn't it incredible? They're
already seeing a fourteen percent increase in caucation travel bookings
to Europe next year compared with this year. The numbers
up thirty six percent on twenty twenty three. They expected
to keep climbing as the ocr cuts fuel the travel demand.
The moment we get a bit more money.

Speaker 11 (28:40):
Let's go somewhere.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Italy is the top caucation destination, followed by Spain and France.
In Spain, you'll be met at the airport by person
spraying you with a water pistol, saying go home, go home,
But you won't you'll go on your calcation. The majority
of us are also booking about nine months in advance
to take advantage of the early bird specials once we
land in Europe. What we like to do? No one
loves a river cruise more than a good old kei.

(29:04):
We callcation river cruise. And if we don't want a
river cruise, we want a small group tour. Sounds fun,
isn't it a with old Janis and Brian small group tour?
And if we don't want to do that, we want
a big ocean cruise. Walking and cycling is gaining and popularity.
We are so dynamic as a group, aren't we. We
go for a good walk in a cycle with Brian

(29:25):
and Janis in a small group tour on our calcation
before we hop on a river cruise. Caucation's the most
popular with boomers. No kidding, ha ha, no kidding.

Speaker 11 (29:36):
Hashtag host take exactly if.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
You're looking to enjoy a beach. The most bookings have
been to Croatia, followed by Greece and of course France.
So these you run there, caucation update and when you
say where you're going this year, don't use the word
ever again. Caucation are you going out of caucation. Don't
say that stuff because it makes you look rude. So
the business of well, the Prime Minister's coming in and
Stephen Frye after eight other methods after the news, which

(30:01):
is next.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Demanding the answers from the decision makers. The mic Hosking
breakfast with the range rover villa designed to intrigue can
use tog zed b.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
It is seven past seventh morning. Change coming to the
three strikes rais human jails is going to be allowing
at the threshold entry point currently based around the two
year sentence that'll be have to won. The Law Association
Vice president Julian Kincaid's with us on this Julian morning
to you, good morning. Make you're disappointed? Will that be
a fair emmation of your view?

Speaker 19 (30:30):
Very disappointed. We did make submissions to the committee about
the issues that we saw with the three strikes as
it was currently drafted prior to the United slant yesterday
by Nicola McKay. And this is just exascerbating a problem
that will exist anyway.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Is it the three strikes or is it the trigger point.

Speaker 19 (30:51):
It's a combination of it all. First of all, there's
no evidence that this actually works in the way that
people want to work.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
It's not a.

Speaker 19 (30:59):
Deterrent and fortunately what we want all of us want
less crime and less serious crime. But this is actually
going to capture all sorts of people who shouldn't necessarily
be there. For example, sentencing is very nuanced and difficult,
and some people might be sent to jail simply because
they don't have a house in which they can do
an electronically monitored sentence. It will lead to unfair and

(31:20):
unjust outcomes.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Is it nuanced because they've made it nuanced, and it
doesn't have to be as nuanced as it is.

Speaker 19 (31:27):
No sentencing must be nuanced. There are so many factors
in human beings that apply. We look first at the
offense always in sentencing, and the judge takes a starting
point based on the offense, and then they look at
factors that are unique to that offender. And there's a
balance that has to be performed with all sentences. And

(31:48):
it's complex, and that complexity might not always come across
in a newspaper article, which I think is where a
lot of the people who see problems get their information.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Those people have a vote as to you and this
is where we're at. We're at the intersection of public
opinion versus the legal fraternity, aren't we.

Speaker 19 (32:08):
Yes, one would expect that any changes are based on evidence.
And if they seriously want there to be a difference
made to serious offending, they need to put more money
into mental health and other rehabilitation processes which help to
keep make sure, take away the causes of crime, and
that will impact on the people committing crimes.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
True to say, if you're in jail, you don't commit crime.

Speaker 19 (32:34):
Actually it's not true.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
You're not breaking into my house while you're in jail.

Speaker 19 (32:41):
No, you're not breaking into your house. But there are
other crimes that people commit allegedly at the moment, there's
a few cases before the courts whilst they're in jail.
That is not the issue. I'm also very very concerned
about the lack of parole. Parole is an incentive for
good behavior and it encourages people, incentivises them to do
engage with psychology, just and take programs, understand the trigger points.

(33:03):
And this under this regime, the most serious offenders will
be not allowed any parole, they won't be given any rehabilitation.
We can say that now and then they'll be chucked
out on the street without this strong support that parole
the parole system puts around people to make sure they
transition back.

Speaker 14 (33:21):
Into our society.

Speaker 19 (33:22):
This is actually going to achieve exactly the opposite of
what they want to achieve, and that's what concerns us.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Julien kN Kay, appreciate your time very much, Mike. We
don't want a deterrent. We want more bad people in
prison for longer.

Speaker 20 (33:33):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
The reason we have so many recidibus criminals is because
of that defense lawyer're making excuses for them and why
they offend. And so neither party shall agree. Ten minutes
past seven, tasking another chapter in the convoluted, highly confusing
world of medical jobs. From next month, applications for certain
roles from certain countries will be fast tracked, the targets
twenty days. Australia has just implemented a similar policy last week.
Royal New Zealand College of GP's president Cement the Mettens

(33:55):
will a Samantha morning.

Speaker 14 (33:56):
To you, good morning.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
How are you are we paying basic wells? Are we
basically playing catch up with Australia?

Speaker 21 (34:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (34:04):
Well, the conversations about this have gone on synchronously, so
we knew that they were doing the same sort of
thing that we also were doing, and we do work
sort of hand in hand.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
It's not ketch up, right are we actually do we
have any jobs? It's just last time I looked, there
was about a thousand nurses that turned up in the
country and that couldn't find a job. It seems to
be a convoluted mess.

Speaker 14 (34:25):
Yeah, and complex is exactly what health is. I think
we do have jobs in certain areas, and so in
general practice, there are plenty of roles available. In psychiatry,
there are in some of the antcevitics. There's plenty of
jobs available. So it's just a matter of being able
to have someone who's coming, not wait for months on

(34:47):
ends to get your registration.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
So it's in a hospital, I need an anesthetist, there's
one in Australia and Sydney wants to move. So in
other words, what we're tidying up here is the joining
of the dots and the paperwork, and we're going to
get that done more efficiently. So there is a job,
there is a person. We're just doing better administration.

Speaker 14 (35:05):
Yes, it is a much better administration.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
How is it possible that we're sitting here in twenty
twenty four having this conversation. We didn't do this about
I don't know one hundred years ago.

Speaker 14 (35:14):
I think the thing about medicine is we want people
to come in to our services that are safe, and
we have slowly got better and better systems at looking
at each other's clinicians and saying, yes, this is what
safety looks like for a commission clinician. We can have
it on paper, but it doesn't mean that that person's
not a rogue. And so the joined upness of the

(35:35):
Medical Council's globally has started to happen. So it helps
a lot for us to know exactly what other jurisdictions
are doing so that we know what we're getting when
they come in.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Are we attractive?

Speaker 14 (35:46):
We're attracted because we're a great country and we are
a little way away but much better than some political
environments that other people live in, and so there are
a lot of people who do want to come. And
we have forty one percent of our medical professions are
overseas graduates, so we do attract a lot. Good hid yeah, good,

(36:08):
but positive.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I almost had a health and positive conversation there were here, Samantha,
So that worked out well, Samantha Merton, Royal College of GPS,
because I am worried about the health system the way
it doesn't seem to be functioning at the moment. Thirteen
minutes past seven sea, should we all be speaking of
jobs training? Job applications are up thirty let's call it
thirty five percent, thirty four point eight thirty five percent
in the July to September quarter. So the applications are up,

(36:30):
the listings are down. So while the applications are up
thirty four percent, the listening to down thirty eight. Fresh
material coming to you this morning. Agriculture, fishing and forestry
is where the worker is up ten percent. Government and Council.
I'm disturbed to read that they need more people, but
that's up five point six percent. Hospitality and tourism up
two point six percent. Regionally, six of the fifteen regions

(36:52):
are going up. Good West Coast booming up twelve, o Tigo, five, Nelson, Tasman,
four South and four North, three, Taranaki two and a half,
Auckland and Wellington basket cases, the capital down nine and
a half. Auckland fell. It's called thirteen so the regions
is where the action is fourteen pasted the like.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
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Speaker 2 (37:18):
US Talks have Stephen fried by the way after right,
Christopher Luxon in a couple of moments seventeen past seven,
are you remember ire Motel, Fletcher Building's occupation Adern and
Willie Jackson's intervention Since then, Well crickets. As it turns out,
we've got new documents from the Marray Development Minister's office
shows a group that was supposed to get it sorted
obviously hasn't and the bill for not really doing much
as half a million dollars and climbing a former treaty negotiations.

(37:40):
Minister Chris Finlason back with us. Chris, morning to you,
good morning. Where should this go?

Speaker 15 (37:46):
Well, I'd fire the lot of them immediately because the
hopeless effect they qualify to be Wellington City councilors. And
then what I would do is talk to muk Honick
of Naetimado Heiri. He and Rick Kane worked together on
the Ti golf Course development. You could develop a beautiful
golf course there. You could get took a Morgan to
build one of his hotels opportunities for employment for young people.

(38:10):
It's not a new idea. I colloated it with Duncan
of Art four years ago on his Breakfast program.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
And why then hasn't that happened? Seeing it's such a
piece of genius, Chris.

Speaker 15 (38:19):
Because some people all are capable of doing is talking
and talking incessantly and pulling in a P A DNC.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
And so what is it this group? When you set
up a group like this, are they supposed to have
some meetings very now and again report back to a
minister and say we had a meeting and they said this,
And so you say that is that what happens?

Speaker 10 (38:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (38:39):
But these guys, I mean, I've had four years of
just talking incessantly. I've achieved nothing. I wouldn't give them
an ultimatum. I just boot them down.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
And as he hermota, I mean that was That's a
good example of politics, isn't it? Basically? I mean, was
it ever the issue it needed to be? No, it
was a.

Speaker 15 (38:56):
Fucking decision in twenty twenty and where reaping the benefits
of a dumb decision.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Now, all right, nice to talk to you, Chris. Appreciate it.
Very much, Chris Finless and form a treaty negotiations. Minister
will sack them? Should we sack them? And who's Duncan
mentioned Duncan's program, Mike, give me one of those things
that you passing, well, give me one of those, Mike.
We just heard everything that's wrong in our justice system,
the Bee kind. It's not your fault. Justice system. Never

(39:22):
once was there an acknowledgment of the victims of crime.
The first strike is a warning only. The second strike
is for slow learners. Mike, that lawyer's reckons fall on
deafy is she has no evidence either to point to.
I'm not sure that's actually true. She just wants to
believe it's a land of rainbows and cupcakes. Mike. Breaking
into your house while you're not there is not the point.
Actually it is. You need your house broken into and

(39:43):
all your ship wrecked. I don't think you can say that,
but I mean, you know well said the phrase we
need to put money into mental health, or we need
to put more money into anything should be banned. And
that's the problem, isn't it. As I was trying to say,
it's the intersection between what the legal profession and most
of it. To be fair to the legal most of
the legal profession are not fans of three strikes. It's

(40:04):
just us of rest of us out here in the
real world. Anyway, we'll come back to talk medical insurance
in just a couple of moments and problems around that.

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is my hearing flawed? Or did I hear Finlason drop
the F bomb? Your hearing's floard those glims Actually because
he thought did he just drop the F bomb? And
he went and checked and he didn't, he said, shocking.

Speaker 22 (41:18):
That's why I'm here, because I investigate these things on
behalf of people with.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Bad hearing, precisely seven twenty three now there are. I'm
here to tell you more people than ever with private
medical insurance. Let me give you some numbers, and the
so called costs a little bit crisis. Over fifteen thousand
more people joined Southern Cross last year. That's just one company.
They've got almost a million customers now. So having dealt
with my company, which isn't Southern Cross recently over a

(41:43):
series of issues, I can inform you I pay over
four thousand dollars a year and I've never made a
claim in my life. So so far they're winning. But
I know a person who had an OP the other
day that had a value attached to it. A forty
thousand dollars. Wasn't a big op, wasn't a major op.
Forty thousand dollars. The surgeon did seven of them that day,
seven times forty thousand dollars operators. Seven ops had forty

(42:04):
thousand dollars. That's a lot of business for just one surgeon,
one day, one clinic, which would explain why Southern Cross
are paying out six million dollars a day last year.
Think about that, six million dollars for every business day
last year. So my obvious question is what's wrong with us?
I mean, half of members made a claim last year,
there were over three million actual claims. How's that possible?

(42:27):
As a result of all these claims, Southern Cross ran
a deficit, no kidding. They also had to deal with
increased costs of claims. That's fifty percent, the fifty percent
of them. By the way, that's gone up from thirty
three percent. Used to be a third of people making
a claim. Now it's fifty percent. That was in twenty nineteen.
So in the past handful of years there's been an
explosion in medical claims. Why knees are up seventeen percent.

(42:47):
Colonoscopies are up seventeen percent, hips are up eleven percent.
I mean is that age? Are we all that now?
Just literally falling apart? The simple reality is this can't continue. Well,
I mean it can, but at a price. And is
it any prize your price is going up. Part of
the reason the numbers are getting in it's going up
in terms of insurance, I've got no doubt is because
the public system is under pressure. And who would want

(43:08):
to deal with the public system if you've got the
wherewithal not to So a public system not working well
on anything outside of emergencies, and the private system under
pressure from ever growing numbers of claims. Is it possible
we are not well as a country? How come so
many people are actively engaged with the health system? Are
we worse than Australia for example? And if so, why
how long can a private model go for? Whereby the

(43:28):
prices just go up and up and up and up.
Along with the claims, we seemingly are getting sicker and sicker.
Why is this not the cold hard truth that when
they say health is a bottomless pit, it is in
fact true, because these numbers show it is asking as
sort of pleased yesterday. I don't want to rain on
Golera's garrim and she's had a tough enough time as

(43:50):
it is. But she appealed, as you're well aware her convictions,
she pled guilty and then appealed it. And part of
the reason around her appeal appeared to be that she
may or may not have applied to the International Criminal
Court for a job as part of the lack of
information in the case that day, she may or may
not even have her license to be able to apply
for the job that may or may not be in evidence,

(44:13):
and she may may not have applied to a job
that may or may not have existed. Her lawyer also
argued that it could be a bit difficult for the
old mental health now, all of which are coach and
arguments I'm sure I heard in court every single day,
and I was hoping to myself that she wouldn't get
let off because there's then no point of the justice system.
Then we come back down to the beginning of the
discussion we had before. If you're going to start committing

(44:34):
crimes and pleading guilty to crimes and then go, please,
can I have some sort of excuse to get out
of it. So I personally wish a well. I don't
know her, I wish her well. She's had a hell
of a time and I hope she gets on with
a life and does okay for herself. But I am
pleased the justice system stood its ground and you can't
do what she did and then start laying out some

(44:54):
sort of mayor culp for that you're special or different
or unusual. But then again, speaking of crimes in the
mailbox yesterday addressed to mister m n J. Hosking was
a speeding ticket and the first that I have had,
and I couldn't remember, but it would be I mean,

(45:16):
certainly a decade, possibly longer. But there's some problems with it,
so we'll have to get into this in the next
half hour of the program. Actually, I might ask the
Prime Minister to fix it for me and make it
go away. We'll see how that goes. Chris Luxon next.

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And rural news.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Togsendb I've got my hands on the members of the
esteemed Ehemota Steering Committee, so I'll work you through their
credentials in a couple of moments. Stephen Fry by the way,
after eight o'clock this morning, meantime being a Tuesday, the
Prime Minister's with us. Christopher Luxeon, Good morning, Lawton. Is
he there or not?

Speaker 14 (46:00):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
He is there? Are you with us?

Speaker 17 (46:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (46:02):
I am? I just say how good is Liam Lawson?

Speaker 2 (46:04):
He was absolutely fantastic And you won't have spent some
time watching it because you've got a country to run
and I just run a breakfas show, so I had
more time. But what he did was just just exceptional nomenal.
And do you get frustrated because as I watched yet
again slavishly to your post cabinet press conference, you opened
with that very thought that you know, New Zealand had

(46:27):
a fantastic sporting weekend. What's the point of doing that
given you know that none of those people sitting in
front of you deal with any of that and will
never ask you a question about it ever.

Speaker 20 (46:37):
Well, like I'm also talking through the media to people
across his own so I always think it's a good
chance to acknowledge, you know, what was a great weekend,
and you know that's how I opened this one yesterday,
And we had some good news yesterday around the roads
of national significance. We've actually kicked off one, which is
the Hawks Bay Expressway.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
They didn't ask about those either.

Speaker 20 (46:56):
No, but we'll upbelded that for about twelve to fifteen
months sooner. And that's pretty progress I reckon in the
first year to get going with that. So there's a
lot more to do. Obviously there's a big program will
work on roads, but you know that was the focus.
But then obviously it goes into general topics of the day.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Right, what did they ask you about?

Speaker 20 (47:12):
There was conversations around Andrew Bailey.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
There was conversation, So the conversation is going to be
around Andrew Bailey, just just for my edification, correct me
if I'm wrong. But the coverage of the story has
been convoluted to the extent that nobody actually knows what happened.
Do you know specifically what happened.

Speaker 20 (47:33):
Yes, you know. What happened was he visited a business,
he engaged with staff there. He thought he was making
some lighthearted comments and bentter and he clearly got it
very very wrong and unintentionally made someone feel pretty hurt
and insulted, and so as a consequence, you know, he's
a knowledge that he got that wrong. He feels quite
mortified about that, quite rightly. So he's apologized most importantly

(47:56):
to the complainant, but also to me, and then assured
me that that's the behavior that won't happen again, because frankly,
that fell short of the senas I expect from my minister's.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Did he know the person?

Speaker 20 (48:06):
No, not that I'm aware of. No, he was just
visiting a business.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Which to my I assumed he knew somebody, because I
cannot fathom in my mind if I'd known. Oh good
out there, Chris, how are you?

Speaker 8 (48:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I haven't seen you for five years? What are you
still doing here?

Speaker 15 (48:21):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Oh god, what a loser? Are you still working here?
Et cetera. I get that, not just make it right,
but I get it. How do you explain a minister
of the crown going up to a person that he's
literally never met in his life in going why don't
you get some wine and f off you, loser? How
does that evolt?

Speaker 20 (48:40):
I mean, he got it very very wrong. I mean
there's you can sort of dispute stories on both sides
as to what exactly was said or wasn't said. But
the bottom line is from his perspective, he owns it
completely and that's why you saw him front it very
strongly on can you father? Well, I mean again, no,
I can't. I mean that's I said to him. It's

(49:00):
pretty disappointing because it's very disappointing because they aren't the
standards or the language or the behavior that I would
expect to my ministers. You hold the position twenty four
to seven, as I've said to the cabinet from day one,
and the reality is, you know, he caused hurt an
insult to somebody. He's acknowledged that. You know, he has apologized,
it's genuine. He's reached out I think twice he's offered

(49:21):
to meet with the individual if that helps. It's ultimately
up to them as to whether they do or don't
want to do that, and most importantly, to assure me
it won't happen again.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Is there something underhand in the bloke or the company
alerting all of the political parties?

Speaker 20 (49:34):
Well, look, I mean the bottom line is, you know,
he's got to own it, in front it because regardless
of what people think about the actual circumstances. The reality
is he caused hurt an insult, and he acknowledges that
as soon as it was raised with me. He wrote
immediately to apologize to an individual. He's apologized again. He's
offered to reach out, talk on phone, go meet in person,

(49:56):
do whatever's needed, and he genuinely, you know, it feels
like he was he was trying to engage in some
light handed, lighthearted banter, which I.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Just don't see. If he'd known him, he got so
so wrong. If he had known him, if he had
met him, if he had some connection with the company.
I take there's no connection with the company either.

Speaker 20 (50:12):
Not that I'm aware of it.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
So it's just just a random minister turns up and
tell somebody to off, go home, grab some wine and
what I'll lose. I just it's totally totally got it wrong.

Speaker 20 (50:22):
Yep, totally got it wrong, and you know really understands that,
which is important to me, but again cannot happen again.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Okay, have you seen the advice that sim has seen
on Wellington.

Speaker 20 (50:34):
I haven't seen the advice, but we're in conversation about that.
He will, he will obviously work his way through that
and come to a decision shortly.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Has he told you what the advice is roughly?

Speaker 20 (50:45):
Well, I mean, again, it's sort of obvious to us
that there's some dysfunction going on on the council. There's
obviously been a big gap with respect to the long
term plan. And frankly, when I've looked at the balance
sheets and the financials, you know that you know there's
there's there's there's a balance sheet there that should be
managed in a much better way. So those have been
at concerns coming through this process. He's taken advice on it,

(51:08):
he's considering that right now. It's important he gets it right.
But he'll have more right, I'm sure, surely. Well, I
mean he's got to make sure that he's actually you
know that there's a basis if he's going to make
any intervention that that's you know, well.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
The basis is what you've so clearly and publicly stated
over the last couple of weeks, you will as Browning
wrong with the council.

Speaker 20 (51:28):
Yeah, well that's why that's not exactly why we are
where we are today, because he's asked for further advice
on that. Well, what specifically, as a Minister of Local government.
He has a series of powers, and he just wants
to make sure that he understands those powers well before
he pulls the trigger. Yeah, but before he makes a
decision on one way or the other.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Well, pulls the trigger and makes a decision, or has
he already made his decision.

Speaker 20 (51:51):
Well, he'll heaven what to say about that shortly.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I just can't work out why it's so complicated. A
government can't go round threatening councils without actually following through
with the threat.

Speaker 20 (52:00):
Well, I think we've raised our concerns pretty consistently and
clearly not that long ago. He's got to make sure
he follows proper process so that he does that well
and right. And he's got to take that advice and
consider a few things. And so you know, I'm rest
assured he'll be moving quickly through it and he'll have
something to say shortly. But for now, he's still considering

(52:20):
that advice.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Who got did you go and told her to fall
on a sword?

Speaker 20 (52:24):
Sorry? Say that again?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Who got to the solicitor general and told her to
fall on his sword?

Speaker 15 (52:28):
Well?

Speaker 20 (52:28):
Look, I mean we welcome her independent decision to withdraw
and further review those prosecution guidelines.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I mean, have you got that written down in front
of you. That's what I said. Who got to us?
You shouldn't wake up one morning and change your mind?
Who got to it?

Speaker 20 (52:43):
Well, I mean that the Journey General made it very
clear that we expect all New Zealanders to be treated
equally under the law. The law should be colorblind, and
she articulated that to this list of to General and yeah,
that's a core principle of law in New Zealand. So
it's good to see that she's come to a decision.
She's withdrawing that guidelines and she'll have another go at it.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
So the age you can get to the SG is
the SG actually independent.

Speaker 20 (53:07):
Well, I mean the AG this she is appointed by
the AG. And it's actually important that you know, she
made it very clear to her that, you know, we
expect all these Islanders to be treated equally under the law.
That's that's exactly how it is. You should be held
to account for your actions, regardless of what your background is.
And so it's a core principle of the law. It's
a core principle of our government obviously, and I suspect

(53:28):
all governments. And so she got this one wrong and
quite rightly. I think has made the right decision to
withdraw it and to resubmit it.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Oftimately, we had Chris Finlayson on earlier on in the program.
He said, you should sack the people at her motel.
This group doing nothing, earning half a million dollars, are
you going to sack them?

Speaker 20 (53:43):
Well, I know Toma Potaka had some remarks about that
over the last twenty four hours and he's looking into
that very carefully because clearly it's taken.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Getting the same advice an getting before he says anything.

Speaker 20 (53:54):
No, No, We're just important that we make sure that
we take the advice and then ministers will make decisions.
And you know the ministers have strong views on things,
wh as they should do. They can take advice. There's
a range of advice. We don't always take it, and
it's just important that we get all the process clean
and sorted and quickly delivered. In the background. But you know,
as you've heard Thomas ay, he's got concerns given the length,

(54:16):
the time it has, the amount of money that's been
spent in the absence of a result.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Can I take from your comments yesterday is there a
game being played between you and Grant Dalton that he
can ring you, but you ring him. And if it's
not you, it's Chris Buship, but Chris Buship can't ring him.
And who's ringing hard? Does anybody ring anybody?

Speaker 20 (54:32):
Well, we're very happy just to engage in a conversation.
It's not about who sends what and who does what
to who. I guess the thing is ultimately just recognizing look,
it is the team New Zealand's decision. We are very
open to a conversation and having that conversation. I do
want to say upfront, as you well understand, it's difficult
economic times.

Speaker 15 (54:51):
You know.

Speaker 20 (54:51):
I think last time, Mike, it was one hundred million
dollars the government almost put forward as an offer. We've
got a lot of priorities, you know when you're looking
at hospital, school, roads other things that we're in hell
of a mess. We've got to sort some things out.
So but what I do want to be is really
clear in that conversation, which is let's have the conversation,
but let's get clarity up front, and then let's not
of course one hundred million. You look at SHA experiences.

(55:13):
Oh look, I think I think the New Zealand public
would find that quite challenging, to be honest. You know,
I think and I don't know what that cap would be,
and I really want to understand what they would be
thinking and happy to engage in that conversation.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
So so if it's more than one hundred million, forget it.
If it's less than one hundred million, we could do
some business pop mode.

Speaker 20 (55:29):
You could see last You could see last time, as
I owner said, it got to ninety nine million dollars
from memory, and it was all you know, that was
the government obviously massively stretched at that point in time.
What I just say to you are worse. Nations are
even worse, and it's incredibly challenging. And the reality is,
I think the New Zealand public, if you say to them,
do you want a hundred million dollars spent doing this
or do you want a hundred million dollars spent doing

(55:50):
something that improves education or healthcare law in order, that's
probably where they'd be at the moment, quite rightly. So
you know, I just in fairness, but I also don't
want to know. I've watched and you would have watched
to Over the years, there's just been these ongoing negotiation
experiences that I think I don't want to repeat. Let's
just get clarity upfront, so everyone's got clarity and can
move on one way.

Speaker 15 (56:10):
Or the other.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Did those punks on the roof worry get some chicken
and some car.

Speaker 20 (56:15):
No, we've got six still up there. I think thirteen
went up there late last night. Six are up there
as I came to onto your call. And you know,
we've got police and OT doing a good job actually
talking them down. But no, they're not coming down for KFC,
but they you know, these are some of our most
serious and high coore young offenders. You know what I
just say is what's interesting, Mike is there was fifteen

(56:37):
rooftop instances last year in twenty twenty three. This is
the first we've had this year. We've got more work
to do on hardening the infrastructure post the Mike Bush report,
but the Minister and the team are working through that.
So yeah, the key thing is let's get these kids
down safely and then move forward.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Appreciate your time, Primate as Chryso Blacks and twelfth away.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Cool the mic Asking Breakfast a full show. I have
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Speaker 2 (57:03):
It'd be what do you reckon about? The Bailey thing.
I wasn't interested in the Bailey thing other than up
until this particular point in time. It's been shockingly explained
to the wider world by the media because there were
more questions and answers as I tried to outline yesterday,
and all you have to do in the media if
you don't know the detail that you know that people
want to know, just say, hey, obviously at home, you're
asking this question, this question, this question, and this question.

(57:26):
We don't know the answers to that hints It seems
a bit convoluted and complex. But the development this morning
that he didn't know the guy seems astonishing. For want
of a better word, how a conversation develops from I've
never met you, I've never seen you before in my
life to why don't you f off with your wine

(57:50):
and go home? You loser? And calling him a loser
several times. How does have you ever been in a
scenario when someone you've never met telling you what a
loser you are, how you need to wef off and
go home.

Speaker 22 (58:03):
It happens to me all the time, actually, now that
I think of it, But that's because you're you. I
just need to make a bad first and so it
is it or is it not the weirdest thing in
the world anyway, Listen, I've got to get to this
business of the Motow Steering Committee. What luminaries preside on
this auspicious gathering and committee more in a moment seven

(58:25):
away from it.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
The my costing breakfast with the range rover.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
The la use it be Dr Charlotte Severne, Senior Leadership
with te Te Temu Payota professional trustee organization for MARI
is on the committee. Bernie O'Connell described as an Urban
Mary advocate. He's also on the District Council and New
Plymouth and Augil director of the EWE Partnerships. One of
Willie Jackson's mate, Ruko Mowana Schafshausen, a lawyer and quote

(58:53):
unquote influential member of her EWEI. Three representatives of the
Ahi car groups. Those with connections to the land can't
find their names, cannot find them for love nor money. Also,
the Auckland Council provides an observer to attend meetings. What
a job that would be half a million dollars later
they've achieved literally nothing. How many questions for you? How
many meetings I mean, I asked you the question before,

(59:16):
how many times you've been insulted by somebody you've never
met before and told to take some wine and go
home and f off? Second question, how many meetings would
you have to attend and achieve literally nothing before you
ask yourself, I wonder if I'm wasting my time, and
or I wonder if I'm wasting the time, energy and
money of the people who are paying me to turn

(59:37):
up to these meetings over and over again and do nothing.
What would the answer that me are to be one
like one meeting of nothing happens? Ago, bugger this, I'm
done some people, Glenn, you'd be three, I reckon you'd
be three or four?

Speaker 11 (59:49):
Do I get to take wine home with me? Then
you can't?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Why don't you f off? Take the wine and if off?

Speaker 11 (59:54):
Sweet deal?

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Yeah, done, simple, It's doesn't have to be that complicated,
does it you? Shortly then Stephen Fry.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Sitting the news agenda and digging into the issues the
Mic Hosking Breakfast with Alveda, Retirement, Communities, Life your Way,
News talk, sad.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Been Stephen Fry, who's been talented and lucky enough to
share comedy for a generations on his way here for
a show, author, reconteur, actor of course, Blackheaded, Gosford Park,
Brian Lauren, The Hobbit, and then you get to the books,
the latest of which is the final part of his
four partner on Greek myths. This one's called Odyssey. Anyway,
Stephen Pry is with us from Britain. Good morning, good

(01:00:32):
morning to you to make I tell you what, I'm
very disappointed I haven't interrupted you at the Garrick Club,
you know, with a small glass of something of an
evening you're stuck in a hotel.

Speaker 17 (01:00:41):
I am. It's not all glamor and old fashioned English
gentleman's clubs.

Speaker 12 (01:00:46):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:00:47):
There is the occasional need to do work. Event on
doing some work for Australian Well in two days time.
I'm currently recording a second series of Jeopardy, the American Quisho,
which I do in Britain, and I do a version
for Australian television as well. And so I'm doing eight
shows for Australian Jeopardy starting on Friday, Saturday, Saturday and Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
What is your attitude given you raise that you know
to work generally? Because I've never seen a person work more.

Speaker 17 (01:01:16):
Yes, I mean the sort of lazy thing I say
in messages and emails and in conversation when people say,
is that really what you're doing this week or whatever?
When I explain why I can't get to a party
or whatever, and I always say, well, I suppose I
must like it, or I wouldn't do it. And I

(01:01:37):
think that's true. I am fortunate in that I don't
need to work that hard just in order to put
bread on the table, so it must just be some desire.
It's like I suppose. I mean, you know, I've got
a big waistline because I'm greedy and I really like food,

(01:01:59):
and I've got a fat diary because I'm greedy and
really like work. That's the best I can do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
The flip side of that, I guess you're in demand.
And that's a wonderful thing.

Speaker 17 (01:02:10):
It is. It's incredibly touching, and you know, we all
have I guess I don't know a human being that
doesn't have a touch of imposter syndrome somewhere. Sometimes too much,
and sometimes you feels isn't enough in some people. But
we all wonder whether we really deserve it, and we
have to pinch ourselves and that doesn't go away. Even
after nearly five decades of doing this, I still kind

(01:02:34):
of think, can it be true? I still think of
myself as the little boy watching Parkinson interview comedy stars
and film stars and so on, and just dreaming of
the amazing idea of being famous and you know, working
on in television and you know, it's extraordinary. I think
after all these years it would have lost its luster,

(01:02:57):
But actually it hasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
About the breadth of work, which sort of you know,
brings me to your show, which is why you're coming
to the country. When you put a show together for
your life's work. I mean most of it isn't even
in there, because I mean otherwise it'll been not like
nine hours long.

Speaker 17 (01:03:12):
Yes, yeah, and most of the course it's very dull.

Speaker 21 (01:03:16):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:03:16):
You turn up an on the appointed date and do
the job and then go away and there's not much
to say. There aren't stories, you know, And then hilariously
Ronekinson exploded. You know that actually hasn't happened. We just
sort of get on with things. But as it happens,
I have had a life of some interest. Particularly when

(01:03:40):
I was young. I was constantly being expelled from schools,
and then I went to prison. And I'm sort of
aware that I have an affect, I suppose it's the
smart word for it. A demeanor, a look of feel
that is confident, English, old fashioned.

Speaker 18 (01:04:00):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (01:04:00):
And and so this this wild frankly Australian kind of
or in the New Zealand kind of slightly more Laraquin
or whatever you wild colonial boy sort of. I wasn't
exactly ned, Kelly. I mean, I essumed violence, but but

(01:04:20):
I was a rebel as a child, and so much
so I went to prison. As I said, so there's
some strange stories about what rescued me and and so yeah,
and even once I was rescued, I had an extraordinary
run in with my own mental health and drug use

(01:04:43):
and things. Again that as I don't come across as
being like that, but so for you know, for all that,
for all that I work on, and I'm very lucky
and very fortunate, I also sometimes feel I'm always ready
just to tip over and do something incredibly stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Interesting. There's a whole on a couple of moments, Stephen
Fry coming too the Country. I give you the details
on the show in just a couple of moments. More
from Stephen Frye shortly twelve past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on I Heard
Radio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
It be News Talks fourteen past eight. Stephen Frye is
with us for it. Now you're talking about your frailties, Stephen,
just before the break, but without putting you on the
psychiatrists counch. I mean, I remember distinctly it was the
nineties you disappeared. I mean, you went off to Europe.
You just vanished, and I thought, what the hell has
happened there? And yet the funny thing is you put

(01:05:36):
yourself out in front of people, you ask for applause
or acceptance, or you know, whatever the case may be,
and yet there's a fragility there. How do you explain
all that?

Speaker 17 (01:05:46):
I mean, I've become more confident in explaining it, not
necessarily in unraveling it and giving reasons, but in understanding
that it is a part of a lot of people's lives,
that I'm hardly alone in having this propensity to lose
faith in the purpose of existence. That's sounds so dramatic

(01:06:07):
put that way, but that phrase that one can utter,
what is the point you know we're right to. You know,
it's like, if you want to get an intellectual about it,
it's like sort of existential or as Sam Beckett or
you know, this sense that the absurdity and the meaningless
of life, the fatuous nonsense of existence that is born

(01:06:29):
to decay and ruin and you know, just oblivion generally
to the v l VI, the nothing, and mostly we
sort of don't mind. We know it. We know life
is pointless, but we find meaning in relationships. We find

(01:06:50):
meaning in self fulfillment. I mean, goodness, I haven't really
thought this through, so I don't know how I'm going
to end saying this, but generally speaking, I've fine fulfillment.
And maybe that's why I work so hard what we
began with that I'm trying to delay the realization that
it's all meaningless and pointless. I've got to the age

(01:07:12):
now where people actually that I was at school university
where some of them have died of natural causes and
you know, cancers and things that are early perhaps in
the mid sixties. In these days, it's quite I don't
expect to die necessarily, but you know, people are starting
to and see my face, I see you know, every year,

(01:07:36):
my nipples go another three inches further south. The mechanisms
of age, and you know it's so crazy when someone dies,
how quickly they've forgotten. I don't want, of course, I'm
trying to sell my show now. I gather tickets are

(01:07:59):
going very well, so nice, But but if people come,
I'm not going to I'm not going to bring the
whole evening right down by talking like that. But though
I'm very open to talking about things like that, because
the second half of the show, I'm not quite sure
having in to do it. I've done it before with
QR codes in the beginning and at the interval, so
people point their cameras and then that takes them to

(01:08:20):
a site where they can ask a question. And then
in the interval I triarge the questions and answer them,
because I don't like stage shows where there's someone with
a torch going up the and a microphone going up
the rows and passing the microphone and it's always disaster
and it's sort of eggy. So I'll have a nice
basket full of slips of paper with the questions of

(01:08:42):
which we've been written on during the interval, and people
are free to ask questions as serious as they like,
but also as frivolous as they like. But as you've
discovered your despair. I'm not someone who finds it difficult
to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
No, no, not at all. We're loving every moment. Can
I ask you just quickly to explain the Austrian situation
of people don't know you now have full Austrian citizenship.
Does that mean you can vote? And did you vote
in the recent election?

Speaker 17 (01:09:14):
Yes, I do have Austrian citizenship. It's a you know,
they have this fast track for descendants. I think up
until great great grandchildren, I did think great great the
great grandchildren. I'm a grandchild of an Austrian citizen, but
particularly Jewish descendants whose ancestors were expelled, that persecuted, killed

(01:09:39):
in the case of my great grandparents, and they offer
citizenship and it's done quite quickly. And I spoke to
my mother about my mother's still with us and to say,
and she obviously was her mother and father who were
from Central Europe, and she has no bitterness towards Austria

(01:10:00):
and the Austrian people in one particular Austrian citizen adult obviously,
but so she thought it was a nice idea, you know,
she loves the culture as I do, and I was
pleased that they're doing it, and I like the idea
of having another passport, which just sort of struck me
as appealing. But currently, yes, there is this worry of

(01:10:21):
the the fdo that I appear, and that which is
the far right party that has gained quite a lot
of seats at the recent election, in which I verteds
as I have the full right to do now, and
it struck me as a you know, it's always a
duty and the democracy, isn't it, And so I, yes,

(01:10:45):
it seems a strange time to choose if there are
anti Semitic elements in that party, and I'm not fully
informed enough about it to know, but I wouldn't be surprised,
because far right parties attract even further fringe people to them,
some of whom have really revolting views on race, and
so it may seem a strange time to join. But

(01:11:07):
on the other hand, I think it's also a kind
of commitment to a belief in people that one wants
to belong to their country, and this is the country
of Mozarts and Heighten and Schubert and Freud and Mather
and Senberg and Spike, you know, the most unbelievable artistic

(01:11:29):
center in the world for certain periods, and you know
you can't. You know, if if you make a mistake
of thinking this culture and these people are rotten, then
you're making the same racist mistake as those who say that,
you know, all Jews are rotten, are all black people
are rotten. The point is we're all all sisters under

(01:11:52):
the skin, as Radio Kipling put it, And so I
don't know, it's it's I mean, some people find it
mysterious that I would do that, and maybe it is
part of my trying not to be the quintessential Englishman
that people always accuse me if it is an accusation.

(01:12:13):
And also, you know, I suppose you realize life is
short and the longer you live, the more experiences you have,
and so a fresh and new experience is all the
more welcome. So suddenly belonging to a new country, it's rather.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Exciting, exactly. I'm not surprised. Listen. Been lovely to talk
with you, and I appreciate your time very much, and
we'll look forward to maybe catching up when you're in
the country and for the show, and we'll fill the
basket full of interesting questions.

Speaker 17 (01:12:40):
That would be wonderful. I really look forward to that.
Thank you so much, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Great Pleasure Odyssey is the book, the last of the
four and the Greek myths the shows. There are three
of them. Details in a moment eight twenty two, the.

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There's no better practitioner of the English language. I think
you're probably right. He's here in a couple of weeks time.
I'll give you the day. It's how good Stephen Fry

(01:14:03):
at a dinner party. So it's a fascinating intelligent guy.
He's very erudite, isn't it great into be? Why do
people say far right but never far left? I don't know.
Go to dinner with him and ask him. It's called
an evening with Stephen Fry. It's two weeks this coming Monday,
eleventh of November. And Auckland then got a couple of
shows in Wellington the twelfth and thirteenth of November. If

(01:14:23):
that's what you're into. Gus fremenious amount of feedback on
Andrew Bailey. I didn't want to get bogged down on that.
But a couple of quick things. A lot of you
suggesting he might have been drinking. That's been dismiss he
said he wasn't. We must take him at his word.
A number of you also suggesting that he might have
in some way, shape or form been racked up. We
don't know that to be the case either, so it's
it's a mystery, as they say use in a couple

(01:14:46):
of moments, it's unfolding as we speak, the Chris cart
thinking you don't know about the trial and the case.
We'll give you the detail when we catch up with
Rod to end the UK in a couple of moments.
After the news which is next here on the my
Cosking Breakfast.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
You're Trusted Home the News for Entertainment's opinion and Mike
the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover Villa designed
to intrigue and use.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Tog SEDB small criticism of our news service this morning
I have, for reasons best known to themselves. I haven't
got the latest one because I was busy doing something else.
But earlier on this morning they were reporting on these
youths on the top of the facility, and they demanded,
according to our new service, fast food and cigarettes, why
they didn't include the getaway car. I've got no idea,

(01:15:31):
because everyone else is they want a getaway car, and
that to me just makes it that little bit extra
comedic because you don't take them seriously in the first place.
So fast food's bog standard, cigarettes bog standard, But a
getaway car puts it into the realm of being moderately insane,
if not just a little bit.

Speaker 22 (01:15:50):
That's understanding themselves because most of the hostage movies I've
ever seen it, you ask for a helicopter, don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Yeah, well, yeah, they won't have thought about that, And
that's the unfortunate position that they find themselves. And they're
not hardened enough.

Speaker 11 (01:16:02):
And I guess they're only keeping themselves hostages.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Well exactly, and so you know, maybe next time they'll
think of a helicopter, but certainly they will if they
get a getaway car. I wonder if they've had a
conversation as to what sort of getaway car. By the way,
the average wage in this country, just going back to
the public servants and the one hundred thousand dollars in
our exercise about that average wage. It is official this morning.
The stats have been published average wage in this country

(01:16:26):
for twenty twenty four and seventy two, eight hundred and
fifteen dollars. But you want to be in other areas,
I'll come back to those in the moment. Twenty two
minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
International correspondence with ends an eye insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand business because we must.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Get immediately to Britain. We're our good friend Rod Little
as well as Rod. Morning to you.

Speaker 10 (01:16:45):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Keba or Carba. Chris the story and most of us
won't know it. So he got shot?

Speaker 21 (01:16:51):
Why well, this is one of those stories which could,
if it turns out the wrong way, end up as
being the cattle for enormous protest, enormous changed, enormous anger,
and it was a catalyst for enormous anger.

Speaker 10 (01:17:06):
Initially, Chris Caver was twenty four years old. He lived
in North London and he was shot by the Metropolitan
Police when he tried to evade them trying to stop
his car, and he was supposedly unarmed at the time.
This caused outrage in the black community of North London

(01:17:27):
and calls for the Metropolitan Police officer to be charged
with murder, which is what happened, and today we have
the verdict from that from that charge and the officer
was found not guilty. And gradually, of course, the backstory
came out that Kava had tried to evade the car

(01:17:48):
on numerous occasions. He had several previous convictions, including being
linked to gun crime at a drive by shooting. He'd
been arrested for possessing a false firearm. He'd also been
arrested for domestic abuse. So this picture which we had

(01:18:09):
painted by his local community of Chris cabrasby an absolutely
top bloke, upstanding member of the community who had a
lot of potential, slightly modified by the time we came
to hear what happened, and pleased to say that the
Metropolitan Police officer will now resume his duties immediately tomorrow morning,

(01:18:30):
having been accelerated.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Having watched the video, they obviously knew who they were chasing,
and they knew his gun crime background, and therefore, because
it seemed to escalate extremely fast, that was their defense
in court.

Speaker 10 (01:18:42):
Yes it did, Yes it did, And I think that's
what came out in court as well, much as did
testimony from other police officers who were at the scene
and who said that had had this particular officer I've
shot him, then they would have done because they feared
that he posed a diar res threat to the life
of other police officers and indeed to other people in

(01:19:04):
the surrounding area. And you know, this was twenty twenty two,
this happened, so we were just coming out of the
tale of the Black Lives Matter movement and George Floyd,
and there was a lot of high feeling at the time.
And as ever was that sort of high high feeling
and fury, it turned itself into a witchhunt against this

(01:19:28):
particular police officer. Obviously it's a tragedy that Chris Caver
was shot. Obviously he had something to do with that,
shooting himself.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Yeah, exactly. How much covered you have you got with
Charles and the Senator Lydia Thorpe yesterday in Australia.

Speaker 10 (01:19:43):
Yeah, we love Lydia Thorpe. She's great. Everywhere Charles goes.
Now there are protests about colonialism, they are rarely as
shrill or as illiterate as those which were revealed by
Ludia Thorpe in Australia, and I think is what has
actually gone down incredibly well with the British public is

(01:20:07):
a degree to which the Australians kind of gathered together
to say, look, this really isn't on. And that included
a large number of people, of course, who want Australia
to be a republic rather than a monarchy of the King.
Charles and I think the Prime Minister summed it up
when he said, you know, this man has been suffering

(01:20:28):
from cancer, travels all this way to talk to us,
and that's not the way to talk to him. That
that kind of common decency scene goes down very very
well indeed with the British public. And I think that
has been a bit lapped up. And Lydia's orbe is
it is playing quite widely. It's it's you know, the

(01:20:48):
front pages of two or three of the newspapers at
the moment, though we are in a peculiar kind of
late summer here where nothing much else.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Is happening interesting do they? And it was before he left,
But this whole business of a broad based apology for
slavery many years ago, is there a thing that will
ever come to anything more than a headline before he
goes and travels anywhere or not.

Speaker 10 (01:21:15):
I think not. I think not. And the Foreign Secretary
David Lammy, God, it still causes me pain in the
heart to say those words. But the Foreign Secretary David
Lammy lasked six years ago for Britain to pay reparations
to the Caribbean countries for slavery, and indeed, in two

(01:21:36):
thousand and nine called for the British government to apologize
to all black people in the country, which would of
course involve David apologizing to himself as he is part
of the government. And it's not got any traction and interestingly,
it hasn't got any traction with Sakia Starmer, who is

(01:21:57):
a man who was prepared if you remember to go
down on one knee with Angela Rainer. I don't think
there is any appetite for it, and in a way
I'm quite in favor of it, because if you have
to dig down and look at the causes of slavery
and who was particularly culpable without slavery, I think you

(01:22:18):
would on earth a can of worms, which perhaps those
who are demanding it to happen I wouldn't expect.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
I think you're quite right well then Mike will catch
up on Thursday. As always Roderick Little out of the
mighty UK for us this morning, sixteen to night the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
It'd be cannot tell you thirteen away from that, by
the way, can't tell you how many texts we've got
this morning along the lines of as regards the guys
on the roof, hosing them, leaving them there, not giving
them food, not giving them cigarettes. Certainly no getaway car,
latest one helicopter with a monsoon bucket. Interesting approach. Back
to these wages. Seventy two hundred and fifteen is the

(01:22:57):
average wage in this country. This is out this morning.
Executive in general management, you'll get an average of one
hundred and twenty one thousand, six hundred and fifty three.
This is just in comparison to the public service. If
you got yourself a bit exercised about it, all it
one hundred and nine thousand, Banking, finance and insurance ninety
seven thousand, So you're below the threshold, the six figure threshold.

Speaker 15 (01:23:16):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Customer service wages below the average customer service sixty grand,
HOSPO and Tourism sixty two, Manufacturing Operation sixty four. Average
Capital once again wins the prize at seventy six thousand
Smidje over seventy six thousand nine average, So you earn
more in the capitol than you were in the country
Auckland seventy five thousand and four and twenty. See the
capital is if you look at the cost of housing,

(01:23:38):
so your biggest cost in life is your cost of housing.
The cost of housing in Wellington is but a fraction
of the cost of housing in Auckland, so not only
are you earning more, you're paying out less, so in
other words, you quids in and that's before you get
to a targo, which is the third highest average wage
in the country at seventy two thousand. And the cost
of housing in Dunedin is nothing. Transported nothing because you

(01:24:00):
live close to town, so you're close to town, so
your transports nothing, you're housing's nothing, and you're earning good coin,
which goes back to my age old argument. If you
can earn that sort of money on average and doing
one of those jobs where you could do it here
where you wanted, why wouldn't you go to a place
like Otargo and earn good money and pay little and

(01:24:21):
feel wealthier and more satisfied than you would elsewhere around
the country. Mike, disappointing. You haven't got around to talking
about Trump talking about Nicholson's penis for thirteen minutes straight,
and this, unfortunately is the problem with the dissection of
the media these days. Alan, thank you for your text.
When you say Nicholson, do you mean Nicholas.

Speaker 11 (01:24:39):
Or do you vet mean Anol Palmer?

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
And when you mean Nicholas, do you mean Arnold Palmer,
which is in fact what Trump was indeed talking about.
I don't know whether it was thirteen minutes long or not,
but we did that yesterday. So wrong name, wrong golfer,
wrong day.

Speaker 22 (01:24:59):
Wrong penis, the glen, the speeding ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
So I got a ticket yesterday. First one boss comes
straight and goes. I think it was the only teen
years I remember, And it's not true. We couldn't find
a single time I've got a speeding ticket anyway, so
I think it's at least a decade since I've got
a speeding ticket that arrives in the mail. Yesterday it
was from a camera and I was doing in a
one hundred k zone. I was doing one hundred and

(01:25:28):
seven one hundred and seven k's And to get me
on now, the significance of the one hundred k's is
this was on a road of national significance, the very
road that they are going to about to have already
announced they want to make one hundred and twenty, So
the very same road that it could be tomorrow, they

(01:25:49):
make the speed limit one hundred and twenty, and yet
at one hundred and seven on one day now, obviously
at the moment it's one hundred, I was breaking the law.
I will pay the fine. I'm not complaining about that
because the finds that dollars. It's a joke. So does
the fine make me want to go less than one
hundred and seven? No, because the difference between a one
hundred and one hundred and seven is so fin it

(01:26:10):
happens in such a split second. I might have been
going ninety seven to one hundred and seven, to one
hundred and two to one hundred and one to one
hundred and three, just bang, bang bang. That's how speed
works on the road. So does it change anything, does
it achieve anything? Not at all? And on a road
that will be very shortly one hundred and twenty k's. Anyway,
I'm doing thirteen k's less than what the road should do.
And yet they still have the resource to have a

(01:26:31):
person by the side of the road with his camera
pointing at the cars and then sending me out a
thirty dollar ticket.

Speaker 11 (01:26:37):
I don't think he's a person involved.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Yeah, there was. I saw him. He was standing at
the back of the car, and he had his gun
and he was staring at people click click click click click,
And I thought, I wonder if he got me. As
I drove past him, I thought, I wonder if he
got me, And sure enough he did. At a full
hundred and seven k's, I hit the brake.

Speaker 11 (01:26:55):
Wow, it's too late then, isn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Clearly I've got the piece of pay. But I mean,
come on, surely we've bit of things to do with
that time. Night Away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
The Mike Hosking breakfast with Vida Retirement Community News togs
had been.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
No Hermass suggested this morning, it's not going to reveal
the name of the new leader for security reasons. Probably
wise they're going to I don't know why they're waiting
till much They're waiting till much next year, or they
put an ad on SIK or something like that, and
just see who see who applies. Mike, does your car
have cruise control? Yes it does, but no one uses
cruise control? I know you do, Glee. Yes, I keep

(01:27:29):
forgetting that.

Speaker 11 (01:27:30):
When you say no one you mean me exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
I mean Glenn sits it at ninety seven just to
piss everybody off. Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Trending now with Chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's.

Speaker 20 (01:27:42):
Healthy all year round.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
McDonald's Trump huge coverage. Jim Gaffigan from the Elsmith Dinner.
If you're Fox or Musk, then it's great publicity. CNN, MBS, NBC.
They think he's done himself a lot of harm. The
left wing podcasters they're trying to claim it's the actual
photo of itself was phony.

Speaker 18 (01:28:03):
The policy arguments he's making our phony. It wasn't actually
McDonald's that was open.

Speaker 11 (01:28:09):
They'd closed it down. Here's the message that they had
on the store letting customers know they're to be closed
that day to have Donald Trump come through.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
So there you go, it's closed. McDonald's not real, Well,
it was real. It was a real McDonald's. Anyway, carried on.

Speaker 23 (01:28:26):
They did rehearsals, before it took place. They brought in
all of their magas supporters to pretend that they were
actual customers at this McDonald's which was closed down. We
also identified that this specific McDonald's is actually owned by
a franchise owner who has fought against raising the minimum wage.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
You realize they're all franchise owners. They were all individually owned,
and of course it had to be closed. Former president
was at the frying machine and you can carry guns,
open guns, and Pennsylvania they didn't want somebody shooting the
presidential candidate as they ordered their big mac. Actually on
television one last night, that got up my nose as well.

(01:29:09):
They said, quote unquote Trump used the campaign appearance to claim,
and this is where they went wrong, without evidence, that
Carmla Harris lied about working at the fast food change
during college. Now the problem with that, and they fell
back into that age old thing. Let's cover ourselves off.
If you haven't done anything like Krmala hasn't worked at McDonald's,

(01:29:31):
there is no evidence to be gathered, is there. You
can't find evidence on something that didn't happen.

Speaker 11 (01:29:37):
So okay, let's get into this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
No, we're going home now.

Speaker 22 (01:29:41):
Glenn Trump's facing it on the fact that she didn't
include it on her her law degree resume.

Speaker 11 (01:29:47):
That's why he thinks that she didn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
So do you reckon she did well?

Speaker 22 (01:29:50):
She says she did. He says he wasn't drinking and
nobody racked them up.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Are you a left wing podcaster? Go home at nineteen
seventy Yeah, I think every days.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
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