Full Show Podcast: 25 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Breakfast Show You Can Trust, The Mic Hosking Breakfast
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Volume Welcome today one hundreds of millions rangs down on farmac.
We have a lesson in how many bolts you can
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Field and front Rod Little does the UK for us
Pasky underway for Tuesday seven past six. Small insight for

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you and to how at least some of the media works,
and in that is a clue as to why trust
has plummeted the way it has. Newsrooms have go tos right,
They have go tos people, they know it readily available
and will give them a quick line or two about
their area of so called expertise. They also rely on
press releases far too often in my view, but that
to a degree is an outworking of less resource and
a lot less experience. Often the two forces combine. The

(00:52):
press release has a duly attached person who's also the
easy go to, so very quickly you can see how
news is created. It's not found or dug up. It
pops up in an inbox with readily attached quote set
to go, and is pushing a cause. Media also likes
bad news. They like criticism. They would argue it's a
counterview a government announces, for example, in an idea or
a policy cure press release from somebody who doesn't like it.

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The newsroom sees that as balance, what the person says
is less important than the fact they are anti the idea.
The ongoing debate around military style youth camps as your
classic example. This week government has got the idea. We
then line up those who don't like it. Their line
is there's no evidence this sort of thing works. But
here is where the journalism stops, and that is the

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shame of it all. Firstly, who says it doesn't work well?
The opposition do, of course, and they go to people
like Aaron Hendry, who is a social worker and a
regular all over the place in the media in this country.
The unproductive bit is that they're allowed, of course to
think and say whatever they want. Of course they are,
it's a free society. But in saying it and having
all they say endlessly repeated in the media because they're

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so readily available. We forget a critical part of this,
and you idea is what their idea is. We invest
in the root of the problem. That's what we say.
We need to invest in the root of the problem.
In other words, carry on with what we've done for
years and has that worked?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Of course not?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
So why then are we one looking to carry on
with failed ideas and two not questioning why they're still
arguing for failed ideas? And in that is a small
part of the unraveling of news. The inquiry is largely
gone and replaced by the factory of he said, he said,
back and forth that essentially repeats the same thing ad nauseum.
We featured an Australian operation called Operation Yaki yesterday that

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claims a ninety percent success rate. That's new, that's news.
It's another angle. We need more angles. We need more inquiry,
we need more questions, we need more questioning why news.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
At Sartain, Britain, several things on the go. Princess Ann's
had a run in with a horse inners in hospital.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Heral Highness remains in Southmeat Hospital in Bristol as a
precautionary measure for observation, and is expected to make a
full and swift recovery. The King has been kept closely
informed and joins the whole Royal family in sending his
fondest love for a speedy recovery.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Holly Willoughby, who's a big deal on the telly There
here's a court couse to deal with an alleged NATA
who stalked him.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
The prosecutor Alison Morgan, and she has said that Gavin Plum,
he's the defendant. His plan to kidnap, rape and murder
Willoughby was very real. She went on to say that
what Gavin Plum didn't know in these online discussions he
was having that he was communicating with an undercover police officer.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
And then we had the election which is nine short
days awai and still bogged down on the Tory bidding scandal.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
But it's important to remember that the Gambling Commission investigations
are independent. I don't have the details of those, they
don't obviously report to me, but what I can tell
you is we have been in parallel conducting our own
internal inquiries and will of course act on any relevant
findings or information stayside.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
The Biden camp have hired a new spin doctor thing, ma'am.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
They needed to check the box. I guess they just
needed a radical and gender white male. This is because
this president has some twenty five year old boy. I
would colin with a man Bund that is advising him,
that has his ear.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Trump's firing up over their expectation the bun is going
to roll out of bortion as the big issue in
the device.

Speaker 8 (04:16):
The most democratic thing now has happened, and I think
that's what Donald Trump has continued to say. It goes
back to the States. I think you're going to hear
that from Donald Trump. It's what he has continued to say.
This is just about the only thing the Democrats think
they can run on this election cycle. I think Donald
Trump will have a great response for it.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
And from our priority's finally reminded that as bad as
Gaza is, it still piles compared to Saddan.

Speaker 9 (04:38):
And therefore I do understand that for very legitimate reasons,
all eyes today are on Gaza, on Ukraine and other contexts.
But I think we have to be heard loud and clear.
The situation in Sudan and the neighboring countries is so
catastrophic and somehow irreversible.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Finally, Tolpi Oscar's of the ib Action World's Got Track's Awards,
Kata Owns has come out as top World's best Airline
katar or cutter are they pep Singapore only just we
didn't make the top ten, perhaps not surprisingly, we didn't
even make the top twenty. Singapore Airlines had the best
cabin start, best first class service, air Asia as your
best low cost airline, all nip On has the best

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airport service. And I'll run you through some of those
other ones later on in the morning News of the World.
In ninety six, heat alert heat alert, yellow heat alert
in Britain, by the way, and this is the once
again the subtlety in context of these stories has missed
what countries deal with in terms of heat. Isn't necessary
because we'll go England is under a yellow heat alert?
Is that bad? Not really? Scotland twenty four. I mean,

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let's be honest, twenty four middle of summer twenty four
is going to kill you, don't think so? Southeast east
of England could go to twenty nine twenty five in Wales.
I mean it's pleasant, isn't It's hardly an alert? Thirteen
past the Mike Costing breakfast looks like it might have
been a way to trip for Macron a couple of
weeks ago. Look at New Caledonia and watch out what's
happening So far this week they've set the TI town

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hall on fire, the police station, several other buildings as well,
all over the boating reform, so that seems to be
flaring back up. Fifteen past six, Kay, my wealth Andrew
Keller had good morning morning, Mike ride. Oh, trade numbers
are good, good for May, a record for May.

Speaker 10 (06:17):
Yeah, there's some good stuff in there, and it involves
why Mike, So that's always got to be good to
talk about, hasn't it. Yeah, So this is overseas merchant'sized trade.
There's a lot of data in here. These are the
numbers for May. As you said, And I'm going to
have to change some of my pattern and some of
my narrative because to quote the inevitable Bob Dylan, times,
they are are changing, even if he did say that

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sixty years ago anyway, But look, there's a change in
the pecking order of our export markets. There's a new
number two for the moment.

Speaker 11 (06:46):
Anyway.

Speaker 10 (06:46):
We don't have a lasting trend, but the USA has
overtaken Australia as our second biggest export market. I'll go
into that in detail a minute, but just at the
high level numbers. Good exports rose by two hundred and
two million in May to seven point two billion. Imports
rows thirty thirty nine million, they're now it's seven billion,

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So we've got a monthly trade surplus two hundred and
four million. It's the first time that monthly exports have
reached seven billion dollar dollars. Now that's not adjusted for price,
so inflation does play a bit of a partner as well.
And April May they're typically the peak months for exports,
but still we'll take it. We've got a high on
the export number. So what's the US story. Well, we

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were over a billion dollars worth of exports to the
US in May, so that's the first time we've had
that mark. We've left in beef exports, that's a good thing.
So that's up thirty one percent from May last year.
The annual value of exports to the US is now
eight point eight billion, dollars and giving our trade profile
over there. A big boost is wine. So in the

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May twenty four year we exported seven hundred and eighty
nine million dollars worth of wine to the US I
suspect the bulk of that is seveny old because they
love the New Zealand savs over there, but that's more
than sheep meat natural milk constituents. It's by far the
biggest market for our wine now. The second spot is
the UK, which is four hundred and forty eight million,

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so long way ahead. China remains as ever at the
moment our key export market, so seventeen point nine billion.
That's an awful awful long way ahead of the other markets.
Just on those beef exports to China and May, they
fell forty five percent, so for May they were down
twelve percent.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
On last year.

Speaker 10 (08:30):
Total exports to China and Australia was down as well.
But just looking at the year mic annual goods exports
were down by three point eight billion, imports were down
by ten point nine billion. We still have an annual
trade deficit of just over ten billion dollars, but by
to sort of compare that, last May it was at
seventeen point one billion dollars. So look, all in all,
I think you'll probably take those.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
We will, got no question about it for a warehouse.
Yet more bad news yesterday.

Speaker 10 (08:56):
Another day, another retail downgrade.

Speaker 12 (08:58):
Mic.

Speaker 10 (08:59):
Yesterday morning, we talked about cat Mandu. During the day,
Warehouse joined that picture. So we're talking. They issued a
guidance for their operating profit. For simplicity purposes, we'll call
that earnings before interest in taxation. That's for the twenty
four financial year. Now, this is based on their retail
trading conditions they've experienced so far in the fourth quarter,
and to quote a word that is being used in

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almost every announcement, trading continues to be challenging. What's interesting is,
they say, increasingly subdued consumer demand, so it's actually getting worse.
Further compounded by mildwood weather that's resulted in lower than
anticipated fourth quarter sales. So they now expect those twenty
four financial year sales from continuing operations to be between

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six two seven percent lower than the prey year, So
their underlying earnings to be in the range of twenty
two to thirty million. Just compare that to last year, Mike,
So twenty two to thirty this year. Last year eighty
three point four, so it's a very large drop. It
looks like the second half the and I need to
look into these numbers a little bit more, but it
looks like their second half there will actually be a

(10:04):
trading loss. They expect conditions like this to continue through
to the year end. Share price down just over eight
percent yesterday. It's hundred dollars now started the year a
dollar sixty. So yeah, look tough times, tough times for retailers.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Numbers please.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
The Dow Jones, though, is not doing it tough.

Speaker 10 (10:22):
It's up two hundred and sixty one points. It's up
two thirds of percent thirty nine thy four hundred and ten.
The S and P five hundred down small five four
eight five, and the Nasdaq's down. It's actually down point
eighty six percent now one hundred and fifty one points
seventeen thousand, five hundred and thirty eight overnight. The footsy
one hundred game half percent eight to eight one. The

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Nicko was also up just over half percent thirty eight thousand,
eight hundred and four. The Shanghai Composite lost one point
one seven percent yes day, twenty nine hundred and sixty three.
The Aussies will weaker to start the week down sixty
two pointser point eight percent seven thousand, seven hundred and
thirty three, and the local market the ins of the

(11:03):
next fifty we lost fifty four points to close eleven thousand,
six hundred and twenty seven. One Kiwi dollar on the
wholesale foreign exchange markets will buy you point sixty one
two to one US point nine two zero zero, Aussie
point five to seven oh seven, euro point four eight
to eight pounds ninety seven point seven six Japanese yend
gold is trading at two thousand, three hundred and thirty

(11:25):
two dollars and breadfruit eighty six dollars and twelve cents.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Enjoy Melbourne's Melbourne, isn't it you going to? You've been
to a full house at the MCG. It is at
the MCG. Ever been It is the MCG.

Speaker 10 (11:36):
This is my first bucketler state of origin MCG. It's
by me and a few me and a few other people.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, it's always you and a few other people. That's
that's how your posse rolls. Andrew, Yeah, a good time.
We're seeing it a couple of days. Andrew gallaher Jmiwealth
dot Co dot m Z Moscow Whizz. Speaking of airlines
therefore cast higher annual profit. They're a low budget carrier
out of Hungary, but they've got a strong summer, they've
got robust travel demand. They're swinging your to a net profit.
Everyone in the airlines is doing well. Thank you. Six

(12:03):
twenty one on the Mike Costing Breakfast.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Over the Myke Costing Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Mike have just spent six weeks looking for New Zealand
products in the US supermarkets. Only saw two wine varieties
and hard Kiwi fruit, but lots of Irish butter and cheese. Marie.
That's the beauty of the American market is so large,
three hundred and twenty odd million people, they can soak
up a lot of new It takes a tremendous amount
of energy and time to saturate the American market, Mike.
Will the Northland power rautage become a pilon pilon. That's

(12:33):
quite good. That's quite good. And from our good friends
at n z TA this morning, the waste just rolls on.
Thirty six point three million dollars they've spent so far
on on the additional white matter harbour crossing and you go,
but what made That's right? There isn't one? Is there
ever going to be one?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
There is not.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
But that was a labor idea. They labor Remember when
they stood there, Hipkins and they was a David Parker
and they said it's going to cost somewhere but beween
thirty five and forty five billion dollars and we all
burst out laughing. Well ZTA wasn't laughing. They're all right,
we've better draw up a plan. Thirty six point three
million dollars later in Counting Agency claims the Auckland Mayor
hadn't bothered to contact the council, although the paperwork says

(13:14):
Inza have spent a one hundred and fifty grand with
the Council for Urban Development two hundred and sixteen thousand
with Auckland Transport. Incredible, isn't it. There's just no end
to the wasted six twenty.

Speaker 13 (13:24):
Six trending Now with chemist where House great savings, every.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Day horror trend continues. Hollywood's got what they hope is
their big Christmas hit. It's a revival of Nosferrato, the
infamous nineteen twenty two films.

Speaker 14 (13:41):
Come to me, come to me. Here, my coming to me,
He's coming, Who's coming to my child?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
We are here encountering the lamp here.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Cool sort of Christmas movie movie, Isn't it just what
you want? At Christmas time? Bill Scars, Guard, William Dafoe,
Lily Rose, dep Nicholas Holt, and Aaron Taylor Johnson, who
they keep insisting is going to be the new James
Bond in theaters all over the world on Christmas Day.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
They use bold opinions the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's
real Estate doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy three
news talks.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
He'd be like, big part of the w Houses downfall,
has to be part of the huge numbers key he's
using team be very interesting to see those numbers. Funnily enough,
as reading about that over the weekend, I've got a
bit on that on the program for you tomorrow. What
I do have for you now? Though, very exciting Chuddley Update, Chuddley,
Chudley Twoing and meryal Race. How exciting is this going
to be? In Chudley's part of it, Chuddley, Haggett, Towering
and Meryl candidate. Of course they had to meet. The

(15:20):
candidate's meeting last night, question was asked as to how
to revitalize the town, sent to nothing unusual on that.
This is Chudley's answer. It is not edited. It is
not This is the complete answer, from beginning, middle to end.

Speaker 15 (15:33):
But if you really want to get the CBD revitalizes,
very simple answer to that, car parks bring back car parks,
car parks, car parks bring back car parks.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Simple, not edited. What was he trying to say? Listen again,
I wasn't sure.

Speaker 15 (15:50):
But if you really want to get the CBD revitalized,
is very simple answer to that, car parks bring back
car parks. Cars, car parks bring back car parks.

Speaker 11 (16:03):
Simple.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
He's a self editor. He isn't one of the four candidates,
by the way, chosen by the Chamber of Commerce for
the first maryoral debate happening tomorrow night. It's Brownless, Drysdale,
Hall and Salisbury. I reckon Chuddley would add something to it.
Twenty two minutes away from seven, say Lord has been
a complete bust. This Olympic rehearsal didn't happen today either.
They spent billions on the river. The rehearsal was set again,

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none of it's happening. So what's going on with the Olympics?
Catherine Field for as shortly meantime, back to the good
news we mentioned earlier on Round our exports May record
month for returns. We cracked the seven billion dollar mark
for the first time. Advocacy Directed for Export in New Zealand.
Catherine Bird is with us on this. Catherine, very good
morning to you.

Speaker 16 (16:41):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
So a couple of riders. May's traditionally a high season, right,
generally we do okay in May.

Speaker 17 (16:47):
Yeah, May as a good season. It's the height of
the fruit season and it's strong for meat, dairy and
vegetable exports. So it is usually a good March.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
But a record is a record, and you can't take
away a record. What's going on with America? So why
are they suddenly gobbling down all our wine and apples
and beef.

Speaker 17 (17:04):
Look, they've always been strong for those those exports, and
they're getting stronger. So and that's fantastic. You know, a
high quality market, lots of people with money in their pockets. So, yeah,
beef's very strong, wine, sheep, meat, and berry. They kind
of dominate the exports to that market and the United
States says leap frog Australia to become the number two.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Export market, and how much of that is US going
into America and saying try key we versus them actually
having a reasonable economy at the moment. They got more
money anyway, and they've discovered us.

Speaker 17 (17:39):
Look, it's probably a bit of both really, because you know,
wine's been doing well in America for a long time,
so as beef. We sell a lot of beef into
hamburger patties. Actually, and I was looking at the stats
and beef is up a phenomenal thirty one percent the USA,
but on the downside, beef is down forty five percent

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to China. So they kind of counteract each other.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
That was my next question. It doesn't in totality offset China.
Where are we at with the China story? Are they
on the comeback? Will they be on the comeback? Are
we worried?

Speaker 18 (18:13):
Look?

Speaker 17 (18:14):
I think they will come back because they are so large,
but the growth is not going to be as big
as it's been over the past sort of probably five
to ten years. Their economy is sort of rebalancing. I
did have a look at the overall situation outlooks for
primary exports because they do dominate our export stats. And

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you've got to keep in mind one month doesn't make
a year, and so for the year to the end
of twenty four, so this June they're forecasting to be
five percent down and for twenty twenty five, MPI is
forecasting to be a six percent rebound. So I think

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overall the primary air re exports set to which is
so important to our stats, as kind of a bit
like the rest of theomy of the economy, and you know,
hang till twenty twenty five, really.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Survive till twenty five. Catherine, always good to catch up
with You appreciate it very much. Catherine Bear, the advocacy
director for Export New Zealand, nineteen minutes away from seven Laskig.
Mike could chutly be eight's next CEO. Very good to
bring back car parks, car parks, car parks and car parks.
By the way, vaping this morning. The Australians have backed out.
See this is a classic example of promising one thing.
They were willed leading and we all thought, well good

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on you. They couldn't get the numbers. They're not going
to deliver what they thought they were going to deliver.
On vapes, So we'll come to that in the moment. Meantime,
the FDA overnight, see I think we're losing the battle here.
They've authorized the first mental flavored vape. The flavors can
reduce the harms of traditional tobacco smoking, they claim, and
it lends new credibility, of course, to vaping companies long

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standing claim that their products can help blunt the toll
of smoking. Four hundred and eighty thousand Americans die of
lung disease each year in heart disease related with smoking.
Here's the point, we're making the same mistake we made
with smoking the whole Menthol. If you go back far
enough and read about the history of smoking and the
marketing of Menthol's fabulous, you'll be feeling better with Menthol cigarettes. Until,
of course we worked out we're going to we're killing ourselves,

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and now we're going down the stane. You never learned,
isn't it. It's amazing to think, decades later, with all
the information we have, we still haven't learnt the lesson
eighteen to two.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
The my costing breakfast date.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
As in Darline and Tanna, the never ending investigation, the
investigation that goes on literally forever stood down in March,
can you believe it? March, April, May, coming to the
end of June, all on full pay. Of course. Anyway,
Chloe's wanted along to have a discussion with the Parliamentary Speaker,
who's clearly gone, are you serious? How long do you
think we're going to be funding this nonsense, at which

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point she's decided to announce that the party is in
fact going to pay for the remainder of the investigation.
Obvious question is how long is the remainder of the investigation,
and of course there is no answer.

Speaker 13 (20:59):
Four five International correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance Peace
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Speaker 2 (21:06):
Time from Field morning.

Speaker 19 (21:08):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
How did that rehearsal go?

Speaker 13 (21:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:11):
What's it? Didn't?

Speaker 19 (21:12):
It didn't did it? No, it didn't go. Apparently the
river sand is currently flowing at more than five times
its strength and a normal summer days, so they couldn't
get that full rehearsal out there first thing Monday morning.
The other thing that we've found out, Mike is it's
not as clean as they would hope for. The coli

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is around twice the maximum that we usually have during
this time, and twice as much as it's supposed to
be for any Olympic swimming event. So it seems that
that what was it two point four billion New Zealand
dollars that the authorities have spent in the last decade
to clean up the storm and whitewater in the scent

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has not quite worked out as much as they would
have liked. And so the big question now, Mike, you know,
months ago before the Olympics starts, will will they be
able to get those boats down the sand for the
opening ceremony? And will the triathlon actually be a dual
a flon with only the running and the cycling.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Is there any level of panic at this point? Are are
we still far enough out not to freak out yet?

Speaker 19 (22:25):
There's a little bit of panic, but I think some
of that comes from the fact that we've got the
elections coming up and there may well be a completely
new government in place, which means there might be a
new Minister of the Interior. So the Ministry of the
Interior has said, look, you know, I'm just a figure head.
We've got this fantastic police force, got fantastic security forces.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Everything is ready to go.

Speaker 19 (22:46):
Don't worry about that. So I think that's where the
concerns are at the moment. A few other things. They
haven't got the little camp in the world of Ancenne
over to the east of Paris properly built for the
military to sleep, and that's a bit of a concern.
But I think the main concern that I've seen just
as last weekend has been the weather. Summer has finally arrived.

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We're looking at temperatures of thirty thirty five degrees and
you look at some of those stands that they're built,
plus de la Concord, the Port Alexander tours around the
Eiffel Tower. These stands might have no covering their metal stands.
People are going to be sitting in them for a
long time. And you know everyone's worried about the athletes,
What about the spectators?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
This is what I say, quite right, So where are
we at with the election and does ourfering mister Medella
play a big role in the coming days?

Speaker 20 (23:36):
What he does?

Speaker 19 (23:37):
You know, it's only been a couple of weeks that
we've had this election campaign. Going Mike and to telling
the trees. That's been a bit like speed dating, you know,
you get all this stuff thrown at you and you're
just not really quite sure where everyone's at. But yeah,
Jordan Mandala, who's been really making the running on this
election campaign, the darling of the far right. He had
his first press conference today. He didn't really shine. I

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have to say every now and then he was given
a question that for a seasoned politician would have just
battered about. He just every time went completely blank and
moved on to the next question. But we did get
a bit of a bit of flesh on the bones,
things like your preference for French people for jobs, prohibiting
dual nationals from serving insecurity and defense, another look at

(24:26):
how easy it is for children born on French sword
to get citizenship of their parents of foreigners. Cut energy tax.
Not sure how that would work given the current state
of the country's finances, and he's also said that there's
also going to be massive cuts in the cost of living.
So how that's going to work, no one's quite sure.

(24:48):
But it does seem to be that the person that
everyone dislikes the most, Emmanuel Macron, is just as detested
in the electorate, and so he's been paying a very
strange romike. He wrote a letter to the French people yesterday.
It's one way of getting it out there, isn't it.
And he said that he's heard the message and that
things will be different after these elections. But he's promised

(25:10):
to everyone that he will not resign. He will see
out his term until twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
All right, ketchups and Casmin appreciate it very much. Couple
of rounds in that election, by the way, just to
keep you off to be and I knowe Michael Barnier,
remember Michael Barnier exit Brixwit. He reckons that Macron's driven
them to a frixit. This is immigration. He's ignored an
immigration and it's going to bite him in the bump
just before we leave Europe quickly. By the way, the
European Union yet again says Apple is in breach of

(25:37):
its Digital Markets Act it does not allow customers of
its app store to be steered to alternatives. The fees
Apple charges developers for the initial acquisition of the new
customers via the app store go beyond what is strictly necessary.
Also opened a new probe into Apple over whether some
of its rules around allowing third party app stores are
apps to be downloaded from websites complies with the DMA,
so the old battle between the EU and Apple rolls

(25:58):
on for another day. Ten to seven on My.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Cost Gel Breakfast with Jaguar News, Tom zb.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Mike. How about a Pacific Island's news update a bit
more regularly, You billy know that's kicked off again in
New Caledonia unless you look at the international papers. Well,
I'm sorry, my friend. I gave the update a twenty
past six. If your alarm doesn't go, I start at sex.
In fact, I start at five. If you can't join us,
it's not my fault. I can't go around repeating everything
over and over again. Don't you tell me I'm not
covering the world best airline and the world Qatar cutter Cutter,

(26:29):
Singapore and Emirates all serving New Zealand. Fiji Yah beats
in New Zealand. What does that tell you? Fourteenth for Fiji,
best cabin Cruise, Singapore low cost Airline, None of them. Oh,
eir Asia comes here, best low cost airline in the world.
These are the Skytrack Awards Cleanest Airline, Weird category. Cathay
wins Most Improved. Saudi Arabian Airlines Egypt, Deya and neither

(26:49):
come here in New Zealand's twentieth What are they twentieth?
And I've forgotten the category best in flight Entertainment. I
find that hard to believe. Not that I don't love
that in New Zealand, but JESU have you seen their
in flight Try Singapore and Emirates Airline staff Asia Pacific
in New Zealand comes second, good stuff behind fijiir Interestingly
best Airport Services. Astonished to see that Auckland's not in

(27:10):
their Best Airport Services? How did they not make that list?
First class Singapore air France and Emirates. Two of those
airlines come to the country, which is good business. Qatar wins,
Singapore Emirates and they're also servicing the country. Best business
class lounge in the Asia Pacific region in New Zealand.
Premium Economy New Zealand comes twelfth, twelfth, The New Zealand

(27:30):
Premium Economy in New Zealand comes are the seats come fourth? Else?
Can I tell you that it's interesting? Family friendly in
New Zealand ninth. I don't know how they measure that
family freeline friendly air line and the Asia Pacific in
New Zealand wins fantastic best airline in the Asia Pacific Fiji,
follow Bay in New Zealand. Suppose of some awards there.
You know how awards go after you have won a few.

(27:52):
They're just in another award five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
All the inns are the outs.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
It's the fizz on the Mike Husking Breakfast on Newstalk.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
S b Ferrari all electric model. They've just opened a
four hundred and thirty million dollars e building in Marinello
that will for now produce traditional engines alongside hybrid's, but
it will eventually make electrics. All the electric cars are
in the early stages. The boss says they've done some
tests and the early results are quote has all the
driving traits and emotions of a true Ferrari. What crap

(28:23):
I happen to be lucky enough to have owned three Ferraris,
and I can tell you what makes a Ferrari special.
And it's not a battery. I can tell you it's
not a battery. Any whatever they produce isn't due to
be launched until Q four of next year. They're not
going to try and recreate the iconic sound of a
Ferrari through fake audio programs. That's good, they say, listen

(28:43):
to this. An electric engine isn't in fact silent, and
their new model will show it off in a unique way.
That's why you pay a million dollars for a Ferrari,
isn't it. They decline to give a price on the
all new electric model. They won't say how many sales
they've done so far. They also don't have sales targets.
Last year they produced under fourteen thousand cars demanded still

(29:05):
through the roof, as there's a three year waiting list.
Here's my top tip for Ferrari. When you're producing a
very small number of cars every year and the demand
is through the roof and there's a three year waiting list,
concentrate on what actually does well for your business. And
they are cars that go brumbrum, and they're not cars
that don't make any noise or make some sort of
weird noise in a unique way that you're going to

(29:25):
showcase at some sort of later date. Come on, wake
up and smell the fumes. So the cancer man, did
the money rain down on farmac or what Chris Jackson
is whether it's on this Chris de ber Luxen After
seven thirty as.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Well demanding the answers from the decision makers.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
The Mic Hosking.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Breakfast with Avida Live, The Age You Feel News Talk sad.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Be seven past seven. So when it finally arrived, it
had an avalanche feel to at over six hundred million
dollars worth of new medical funding for FARMAC and doing so,
the National Party, at least in part, put right what
should never gone wrong in the first place. Twenty six
new cancer treatments are part of the six hundred and
four million dollar package. One hundred and seventy five thousand
people are going to be better off. Medical on cologist
doctor Chris Jackson with us Good Morning.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Jilln and Michael.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
You were part of the list of thirteen, the original
list of thirteen. Should they have ever gone down that
particular route? In your view, absolutely not.

Speaker 21 (30:19):
The list wasn't ever designed to be a shopping list.
It was a snapshot in time which compared New Jill
into Australia. And what we've had here is an excellent
outcome from an terrible process.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
So that's good, isn't it? Because of the r As
much as you want to bag what they did, the
end result counts and boy did it count yesterday? It
looked enormous.

Speaker 21 (30:39):
Yeah, we've never had any investments of this extent, Mike,
in the entirety of farm accessory. I mean, six hundred
million is a very very very big number, and we
have never had this many cancer drugs funded at once
at any time. So despite the way we got here,
I'm absolutely utterly thrilled. There are still quite a few
fishops though, Mike. You know, when you dumped twenty six
cancer medicines into the system at once, the largest ever,

(31:00):
you do create a bit of a capacity demand issue,
And the cancer services are already pretty tight, and there's a
number of services around the country which have already got
waiting lists in place, and so if we don't fund
the infrastructure for them, the chemo units, the nurses and
the light, then you can end up with cancer waiting
lists in six to twelve months time. So we've got
to be careful about how we do this thing.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
That struck me yesterday, one hundred and seventy five thousand
people are going to be That's a lot of sick
people in this country, isn't it that weren't getting here?

Speaker 18 (31:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (31:24):
Absolutely, I mean we've said for a long time utils
behind when it comes to access to cancer medications, and
it's great to see the government recognizing this. I think
their intent when they did, you know, announce their policy
was to acknowledge that demand and acknowledge that need. So
as pleased that we're putting focus on cancer policies. But
as I said to you at the time, politicians shouldn't
be picking cancer medicines. They should get out of the

(31:45):
way and let fame do their job.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Has that been the lesson in this once and for all,
good or bad, right or wrong. Farmac is the model
and we should stick with it.

Speaker 18 (31:53):
Well, it's been a lot of problems, and there are
a few problems with.

Speaker 21 (31:56):
This announcement and how it's going to be delivered, but
it is the best of a bad bunch of all alternatives.
The last thing you want is Polly's picking drugs. You
certainly don't want a big farmer getting large blank checks
from the state, and you don't want those who tell
the biggest story through the media to que jump. What
we've had here is by lifting out farm X budget,

(32:16):
you've had cancer hasn't q jumped all the other medications.
It has been twenty six drugs plus fifty total. So
other areas have benefited too. It's cost them an awful
lot of money because of the political problem they've created.
It would have been cheaper to do it another way,
and I'm really really pleased how we've landed. We need
to make sure the implementation's done well now, because if
it's not, we're going to create another problem just down

(32:37):
the line.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Appreciate time. Chris Jackson on College just of course, and
the author of the original Thirteen Drugs christpher Luxen with
more on this after seven thirty ten minutes past seven OSCA.
It was indeed as comedic as we had feared. If
you take a lot of bolts out of something that
is anchored to the ground, it will probably fall over.
This particular Northland power cockup was the fauld of contractor
a maxim Their incompetence cost the region somewhere between sixteen

(32:59):
eight million dollars fung the redistrict may have Vince Cacilla
is with us. Vince morning to you. Hard to believe
we didn't write this as a comedy, isn't it. I mean,
you can't make this stuff up.

Speaker 16 (33:10):
It does become quite humorous if you have a look
at it that way.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yes, what are you going to do about the sixty
to eighty? Is there any way of getting that back?
I mean I was affected personally and maybe I don't
know what I would have lost twenty bucks or something,
So I'm not going to be bothered, and I suspect
most people are the same. Is there some way around
this or not?

Speaker 16 (33:28):
Look, I was one of what of questions went through
trends of our last or last week and also this
week with the business community. We've had a couple of
businesses well one in particular j now on Jupernicial delivers
it and they lost between four hundred and five hundred
thousand dollars. So yeah, it's the bigger guys, or just

(33:51):
say the big companies. Sometimes they can wear it, sometimes
they can't, and in this situation, it's probably to a
point where they company can't and a lot of them
are in that space. So Transpower basically said, look, you know,
we're going to have to take the brunch of this. However,
you've got to go through your own insurance company at
this present moment. So not all waiting to hear is

(34:14):
what is actually finding because I know that they've come
out and see it. Hey, it's the bolts coming out. However,
the actual investigation onto this on top of that will
actually come out and say, Okay, where does where the
insurance companies go to when they try to make a claim.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Well, that'll be the company. That'll be the company that
employs the people who take the bolts out, won't it,
given that the people who take the bolts out made
the mistake, And that's fairly obvious, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (34:36):
Well, I don't want to throw assumptions out there just
at the moment. I prefer to make sure we get
everything right first.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
But you talk about whether they can wear it or not.
They shouldn't have to wear it when there's this sort
of idiocy about the place. Somebody needs to pay the price,
don't they.

Speaker 16 (34:53):
Yeah, Look, there could be other sides for the story
as well.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
For example, something I mean that idiots came along and
took bolts out of the bloody thing and it fell over.

Speaker 16 (35:04):
Yes, Mike, but who was supervising?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh, for God's sake, don't be somebody in charge. I mean,
it's all it's it's the people from the company that
did it. It doesn't matter who's supervising them. If you've
got a contract to maintain a tower and you go
along take the bolts out and the tower falls over,
it's on you, right.

Speaker 16 (35:23):
So let's let's say you've got a young apprentices there.
He's been told to do a job. Now, he hasn't
been supervised, he hasn't been looked after. There could be
whole pile of scenarios that we don't know about.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Okay, so you know you compensations or do you want
to give the look?

Speaker 16 (35:40):
Look, the big thing is the contractors need to take
responsible absolutely. He turns out needs to take responsibility for
it as well, and they then they are. So what
we've got is we've got the helpful of businesses that
need to. Some of them need to have compensations. Some
of them, you know, as you said, you know, tweet
dolls for yourself, they don't. They don't need to. I
do know that some of the businesses in Sugatay and

(36:01):
Northland were actually okay, some of them were not, and
quite a few of them were not. Should I actually
say so those are the ones that really do need
to get some sort of conversation. Some of them have
got insurances and some of their insurance packages will not
cover NoHo.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Mean, the moment you claim on your insurance, your a
premium goes up next to you. Why are you putting
your premium up because some dick with a span it
went along and took too many nuts or bolts out.

Speaker 16 (36:25):
And that's exactly right. So it's what we need to
find out is we've come up with them saying the
bolts have come out, the contracts take done that fine, sweet,
Now they're doing their own report to cover who actually
takes the liability of it. And that's that's more the
bigger issue, because we need to find out who actually
takes liability so the insurances can actually make claim or
actually so the businesses can actually make claim to those

(36:46):
companies because Transpower, I know north Power and top Energy
they work out of the way to get Northam back
up and run again, and I know Victor did that
down in Auckland as well. Just keep them going. We're
very very thankful that we had Nassa up there which
was actually able to keep more from going. If we'd
had the fast tracking in place, we would have had

(37:07):
a battery back down at Mileston Point that would have
also helped up the situation. So the whole pile of
things that could have happened if we'd had the place.
Now we haven't, so we've got to take.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
It's another learning, isn't it, I guess? But I always
enjoy having you on the program. Appreciate very much. Vince Cocarilla,
who's the Fungarray District mayor Christine Rankin. There's another firecracker
coming shortly stand by fourteen minutes past seven. The hosts
Scott Robertson after right works you through the players in
the season. As the Robertson era begins seventeen past seven,

(37:39):
crackdown on those who take it a bit easy on
the old job seekers arrived. You will now have to
do a work check in after six months to assess
how that search is going. Started yesterday. It's part of
the wider welfare reset. The former Winsbass Christine Rankin is
whether it's Christine morning.

Speaker 22 (37:51):
To you, Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Is there subtlety in nuance in this under the current system,
of course, the market's tightening up. There are fewer jobs
about when you go in and go look, I know
I've been unemployed for six months, but here are my qualifications.
Here's what I've applied to there are no jobs. Does
that get taken into account?

Speaker 22 (38:09):
I think there'll be some kind of balance in there.
But most of the jobs that we are really talking about,
our entry level jobs, and wherever you go, there is
still a huge need. Like you're not expected to get
the job that you've normally had. Your responsibility is to
get a job that pays you more than a benefit,
and that is still not a hard thing to do.

(38:31):
There's a lot of need out there in certain areas.
So I don't think that's done to what You're not
supposed to get the job you had before unless that
is easily available to you. Your benefit is a privilege,
not a right, and I think that's been confused over
the years, particularly with the last government.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
So how much do you reckon of one hundred and
sixty seventy eighty thousand people on job seeker, what percentage
roughly do you believe are just trying it on?

Speaker 22 (39:01):
Oh, easily thirty or forty percent.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Their big numbers. That's tens of thousands of people.

Speaker 22 (39:08):
Yeah, it is. And you've got to remember, you get
on a benefit and a lot of things happened to
you. You lose any confidence you ever had you become complacent.
It's not an easy life. But a lot of people
do other things to prop up their benefit and we've
never faced that in New Zealand either. Well we have
in the past. You know, we had benefit crimes gods
which were seen as a terrible thing but detected huge

(39:31):
one hundred million dollars a year when I was there
twenty years ago. Tip of the iceberg, Tip of the iceberg.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Do you think this will actually work?

Speaker 22 (39:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (39:40):
I do.

Speaker 22 (39:41):
I think the program's going to get more and more comprehensive.
Was a bit worried to hear that it's a six
month check. I think that's giving them a long time
to get off of benefit. But I'm sure that that
will tighten up. This government and this minister are really
serious about this, and anyone who thinks it's going to
go away, the pressure is going to come off. I'm

(40:01):
absolutely sure the.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Role good stuff. Christine good to catch up, appreciate a
Christine rank and form of when's boss. Might touch on
this with Christoph Luxen in a couple of moments. Might
the contract to subcontractor should have public liability insurance. Sounds
like another example of no accountability. Let's make excuses. That's
I think why they're doing yet another investigation into it
to single out just who exactly they're going to ping
for this. But it looks like insurance is going to

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seven twenty four. It seems we've ended up with three

(41:26):
stories basically, doesn't it the same outworkings. We look like
a basket case of a country, but we got there
three different ways. One the plane that's on the government.
Various governments who failed to take defense expended too seriously
and it's caught us out. Like NATO member countries promised
to spend two percent of their GDP on it, but
they don't until put Putin rolls into Ukraine and then
suddenly they're panic. We talk military up here as well.

(41:48):
We see it as vital, but we make the same
mistake until it gets too embarrassing to ignore. Two the
fairies that seems on Keiwirail Keiwhirel don't seem to be
up to much. I mean, yes, they've been mucked around
over the years by various governments as well as I
said yesterday, read the paperwork between them and Grant Robertson
over what they were looking to do and what it
was costing, and how clearly they had no control over

(42:08):
what was going on and blowing out. Governments can't run
literally everything on a daily basis, and it is KiwiRail
who have let the government down on this one and
badly three the power tower. Inconceivable was the word, given
it took us about well three and a half minutes
to work it out, and given it only took them
less than a weekend to join a few dots. They
really shouldn't have been so defensive that the way they

(42:30):
were on this program Friday idiots were in charge of spanis.
I mean, why they've launched a further inquiry baffles me.
Once you've worked out thick people don't follow instructions, what
else is there to investigate? So basically a shocking week
for a country that's having a tough time of it. Anyway,
all of it was avoidable, but we arrived here through
different channels. Indifference, politics and lack of vision for a plane,

(42:52):
laziness and contempt over other people's money and lack of
discipline for a ferry, and people you wouldn't hire a
walk your dog over a tower, all of it avoidable,
all of it more expensive now because of the action's
not taking at other time. So the trick is, have
we learned anything? And if we have, do we put
it into action? Do we get better? Do we work harder?
Do we try harder? Do we want to improve fasking morning,

(43:17):
Mike Pete Here, Vince has a point. It's very rarely
the fault of the poor schmuck with the spanner. Where
was the project planned, job safety, assessment, training, supervision. You're
missing the point. My point is not Brian the apprentice.
It's the company whose job it was to do the
job who didn't do the job. I don't care who
individually it was. It's the company who didn't do it.
That's on them. We already know that. Mike Vince sounds

(43:39):
like he's angling for a job in the public sector.
Mike Farmack, give some credit to Paula Bennett. Maybe she
took over far mac mid May. A month later, Seymour
and Nikola Willis found six hundred million to join the dots. Well,
this here's the interesting thing that I'll talk to Krystall
Luxan Abu. They haven't found six hundred million at all.
What they're doing is they're putting it up against next years.
And this is the interesting thing. Two point five four billion, right,

(44:01):
the operating grant is two point four billion a year,
and they made much of that during the budget. They said, hey,
that grant Robertson at three point whatever, you look at us,
we're going to make it less and it was two
point four. They've already cashed up six hundred of the
two point four and the two point four was so
tight it was embarrassing at the time. Just remember, go
back a couple of months to the budget. We said,

(44:21):
are you serious, you're not going to be able to
run the country. This has got no room for weird
stuff you didn't see coming. Well, hello, weird stuff they
didn't see coming as a riot six hundred million dollars worth.
So we'll ask the Prime Minister about that. Mike, what
happens of Transpower? Told the contractor to undo the nuts.
It's a maintenance program. They were there for regular maintenance.
They were doing that. They cocked it up. Let's not
try and complicate something that doesn't need complicating. People who

(44:45):
were employed to do their job didn't do their job beginning,
middle and end and they're going to have to pay
for it. Isn't this a simple case Mike, of a
firm making use of the public liability insurance? Probably we'll
find out and see where it goes. Lux and next.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
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Speaker 2 (45:10):
Scott Robertson after eight o'clock the era has begun. We
want to work through so much of the boy. We're
not going to get into that debate of why didn't
you pick him? And you did pick him. We're not
going down that track. We got bigger, we got bigger
imagery questions to be asked and answered. I think after
eight o'clock this morning, meantime, twenty three minutes away from
a Prime minister chrystopa, Lux's with us. Very good morning
to you morning, Mike. How are you very well? Indeed?

(45:32):
So what we're going to do is continue with yesterday's
post cabinet press conference, and what I would like you
to do is apologize for the drug thing. And then
I'm going to ask you nine or ten more times
to apologize and keep apologizing me.

Speaker 12 (45:47):
Oh, look, I appreciate you Mike, that you've actually seen
through at all, which is I've delivered on a promise
and more than to pass what I promised. So yep,
there's a different process. Yeah, we've got and there in
a different way. But the most important thing is you
and I both people that are dealing with cancer and
hopefully give some people some hope, which is great.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I think at the end of the day, despite their
best efforts, what we got from it was the realism.
I mean, you shouldn't have done what you did in
the thirteen and that was a mistake and all that
sort of thing, but in the end we got better
than we thought and you can't argue with that. And
it's a lot of people being helped.

Speaker 12 (46:19):
Yeah, I mean it goes from several thousand people to
one hundred and seventy five thousand people and twenty six
new cancer treatments up to fifty four as part of
a package of fifty four more medicine. So yeah, look,
I mean I think it is president I think it's
quite a transferacial investment. I think it's something as a politician,
I Jammie feel proud about this one. Yes, it's different
from what we propose, but actually I'm more interested in

(46:40):
the outcomes, and I promised those outcomes and we've now
surpassed those outcomes, which is good.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Are you settled on farmac or were you trying to
do something different with the original thirteen idea? Another word
suggesting farmac, wasn't it.

Speaker 18 (46:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (46:53):
Look, I mean in opposition, we were looking at it saying, look,
bus these thirteen cancer drugs that we know would have
some benefit to New Zealand as there exist in Australia
more or less, they should be here. Let's find a
pathway to get them to New Zealanders. And then when
we came to government, it was like, well, yes, we
could go outside farming to deliver them, but actually we
don't want. You know, farming actually works quite well in

(47:13):
the sense of having to negotiate the prices for these
things as drugs as well as obviously determine the efficacy
of them, and so putting it back and making sure
it was in the parmac process was important. Ultimately we decided,
but it just took a bit longer than we anticipated.
But I've got there and I think we've got a
really good outcome, and I just you know, just say
to people, think about your friends and family that are
dealing with it. I'm thinking of three or four people

(47:34):
that I know going through cancer battles at the moment,
and this will make a big difference to them. So, yep,
the means is different. But most importantly, we delivered on
the promise in the commitment.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Exactly what you didn't answer to my satisfaction yesterday is
the six hundred and three million dollars you seem to
be thinking about. You'll find some savings here there. This
is your operating budget already coming under stress, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (47:54):
Yeah, it'll come out of budget twenty twenty five operating allowance.
There is some also contingency year that have been you
know that we have. You know, we use this year
as well. The other point I was trying to make yesterday,
which was that you know, people seem to think that,
you know, our ongoing savings drive here on government spending
when it's one hundred billion dollars. You know, there needs

(48:14):
to be an ongoing daily practice here of just making
sure that everything we're spending money on is making an impact.
And you know that is just an ongoing piece of
work I'm expecting to drive. You know, we're already starting
thinking about save more savings programs, you know, and I'm
expecting CEOs to manage those big budgets. You know, we've
put you know, sixteen point seven billion dollars investment into health.
You know, we've put big investments into education, into police.

(48:37):
You know, we want those organizations to make sure all
of that money is getting the results. That's what I'm interesting.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
But if you think about it in an ol fashion way,
technically speaking, what you announced yesterday, you don't have the
money for right here, right now, and you weren't planning
on that. That's correct, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (48:54):
Well, it's just that as we went through the budget process,
we realized we needed a bit more time to work
out the detail of how we're going to and it's
not unusual that we'd put the provision against budget twenty
twenty five. But we also have a contingency money that
will enable us to get up and going and moving,
and so it doesn't stop us from pushing forward in
October and getting these drug starting to come through. But

(49:16):
also we've got an ongoing savings program which we're determined
to keep driving. And that is it's a different mindset
that I'm trying to put into Wellington, which is you've
got a heap of government spending. You just can't you know,
because we've had a program that we've always spent money on.
If it's not working, un delivery results, stop it, knock
it on the head and put it into something else.
And so it's a very different mindset versus just let

(49:36):
me get some new incremental money to add on to
the money that I've already got. I want these agencies
to think about the total investment that they've got going
on and actually asked questions of how they get more
efficiency out of that, not just the new money they
get eat budget.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
If you were frustrated with that yesterday, what you were
frustrated at, seemingly were your comments on the youth camps
and this ongoing commentary that we just whine about the
fact that we need to do what we've been doing forever.
Is that a Beltway intellectual left wing it doesn't work thing,
Or have you missed something here and you're not convincing

(50:09):
New Zealander, is that a youth camp might actually have
some effective results.

Speaker 12 (50:13):
I'll just come at it looking saying, look the situation
wherein it's just unacceptable, right. I mean, I was at
a jewelry store last year, Pooja Jewelers Good got hit
with a hammer over the weekend. He's now in hospital
mature when I visited yesterday morning, and I just say, man,
we're sick of this, right, I'm.

Speaker 18 (50:29):
Sick of it.

Speaker 12 (50:29):
You're sick of it. We're all sick of it. And
you can't sit there and say, gammer about fifty percent
violent crime at thirty three percent, ram raids up, you know,
four times, retail climate one hundred percent and say everything's
fine and the Zealand it's not fine, and it's not
fair that New Zealanders are not safe from their homes
and business community. So I'm sorry. People can intellectualize and
give me their punditary and commentary about boot camps. But

(50:50):
I am going to try and do things differently because
we have to get a different thing of outcomes. Just
doing more of the same and intellectualizing, having lovely debates
and discussions interesting to a point that doesn't get the
job done. So I am going to do these military academies.
We're going to put a pilot in July. We've got
a blend of military involvement and principles as well as
obviously community support. We know we've got to do a

(51:11):
better job when these kids come out of these residential
programs that are on the right program, but then they
go back into the environments that actually take them back
into a bad pathway and I'm putting investment into that.
So you know, I just sort of like, you know,
people can say what they want, but at the end
of the day, you know, weirdly get the job done
because one of the set of three compments the mainers
men are a stored or an audit and we have
to do that because people need to feel safe, and

(51:31):
you know, you and I live in Auckland. Then you
go down to the Auckland CBD. Well, we're going to
have fifty one more costs by the end of July
down on the CBD on the beat doing what we
want them to do and be highly visible to crack
down on what is a pretty antisocial behavior going on
down there. And people don't want to go in to
the city anymore. So you know, you've got to do stuff.
You've got to try stuff, and I don't even care
whether it does or doesn't work. Oftenately, I am going

(51:52):
to try stuff to get a differency of outcomes. So
I thought of, yeah, bit of frustration this today is
you know, as people asking aroundo questions around it, but
it's like, well, I'm sorry, but we're going.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
To do stuff, can we rail? Have they let you down?

Speaker 12 (52:05):
Well, yeah, I mean it's sort of not a great
thing that when you see that our cherrier, you know,
strended like it was obviously a series of investigations as
to what happened here, and we've obviously got had a
big problem with respect to the irex project where massive
cost by and some practical considerations around import infrastructure that
sort of made that project untenable and just doesn't work.

(52:27):
What we have done and said, look, you know, and
you remember we picked this up in the first couple
of weeks in government is we've put a Minister of
the Advisory Group in just three folk that have looked
at all the options about the procurement of the new fairies.
That report's just come to Shareholding Minister at the end
of last week. They'll digest that and we'll get a
good option for that. But we need the right ship
on the right piece of water to deal with the

(52:47):
challenge that we've got.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Reported this morning that Nicola Willis went to them and said,
you're spending far too much on consultants. So you're aware
of that, yep. Right, So they're spending far too much
on consultants and they're still going backwards at a rate
of knots and stranding their ships. The chairman's already go
on the board. Why do they have nine board members?
For god's sake, how many board members do you need?

Speaker 12 (53:09):
Well, all I just say on that front is, you know,
we'll work with them to get a reliable cookstraight crossing,
and we're going to work with a refreshed board. And so, yes,
the chairman has resigned last week and we've accepted that,
and we need to refresh that board because clearly the
results aren't good enough.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
See, because part of the problem is so the plane
I blame on you and other governments. You didn't spend
when you should have because it's political blah blah blah.
This is their fault. Should they be called out on it.
You've been let down by a company that should be
doing better. Is that fair?

Speaker 12 (53:40):
Well, look, I think that's a fair challenge. I think
here we rail are responsible for the mainstonance of their
current fleet. The asset life for those fairies is out
to twenty twenty nine from what I've seen. And it's
about making sure is that if you're an airline of
other transport company or a faery company, you've got to
make sure you've got the maintenance programs in place to
support those assets. That's quite normal whether you've got trucks, planes,

(54:01):
or furies or boats. So that is what they're responsible
to make sure that they are maintaining those vessels in.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
The right way.

Speaker 12 (54:08):
What we've which, yeah, well, and we've got to you know,
there's a critical piece of infrastructure. We get it, we
understand it. We've taken action to try and get procurement
of those ships into a number of options that we
want to see presented to us. And we've got to
get the right size, right ship on that piece of
order to do the job at hand. And so I'm
confident we can do it. But we are, you know,
we're working quite hard.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
On that super quick because I'm almost out of time.
This medical hiring thing, so they claim as there's a
medical hiring freeze for front liners. They say, no, there's not.
What they're now saying is that it's so difficult to
get a doctor in a hospital that the criteria is
so high it's it's virtually a freeze. What's the truth.

Speaker 12 (54:47):
Yeah, look, I saw that sort of blow upse people
talk about that last week. I can tell you, like
the recruitment for clinical roles is continuing. It haven't actually
been frozen, as I understand because I was Shane Rigy
about that when I think you raise it at the
end of at the end of last week. But just
there is a moved assents from a national approval process
to one that's led by hospital leaders, which is actually
what you want because you want the individual hospitals actually

(55:07):
recruiting for what they need to meet local needs. So
there's it's a bit confusing that one as to where
people are coming from. And we've also even said the hunts,
we've made pretty progress on recruiting more nurses. I think
there's been about three two hundred people from Memory just
in April and May that have been hired to work
in Healthy Zealand. So yeah, it's a bit confused by
that one as to what the getual issue is and

(55:28):
what people are saying, because we know we've got workforce
challengers We've been moving at pace, trying and recruit more nurses.
In particular. We haven't frozen anything we might have. I
think healthy Zeon has changed the process, but it's a
better process anyways to get the right people in the
right role in the right place.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Appreciate time. Chrystal Lux and Prime Minister thirteen to wait
the mic hosting breakfast tend to wait high Michive correspondents
from the media, Mike, it's Rachel Thomas from the Post.
I wrote the story about the medicine's announcement last week,
which you proclaimed repeatedly to Nikola Willison all your listeners
was wrong. I didn't proclaim it at all. Long come
back to that yesterday. All the details in the story

(56:02):
were validated. You should correct the record with your listener's
patients have been missed around too long. Interesting line about
patients having been missed around too long. It's a very
editorial stance, So I see where you're coming from. I
never proclaimed the story was wrong. I asked Nichola Willis
where the announcement was coming on Friday. She said it wasn't,
so I said, is it coming today? And the reason
I asked whether it's coming today because your story also

(56:22):
said it had not been signed off by cabinet, so
there was a conflict of information. Was it coming on Friday.
If it was coming on Friday, it needed to have
been signed off by cabinet, but your story stated it
hadn't been And cabinet meets on Monday and it was Friday,
so if they hadn't signed it off, it was never
going to be announced on Friday. So I asked Nicholer,
is it going to be announced on Friday? She said no,
it wasn't, so we got that confirmation. We also found out,

(56:43):
of course it hadn't been signed off by cabinet because
they hadn't got to Monday, which they did yesterday, signed
it off and the announcement was then made. So hopefully
that clears that up. Nine minutes away from eight the.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
My costing breakfast with news Dogs.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Fe Mike que rail Board, like all sees or large corporations,
do have ultimate accountability, but there are on the executive
for the information of the being fed crap. They'll make
crap decisions when things go wrong. It's a good idea
to also look at changing executive management the defense. I mean,
you're right, obviously the defense to that is the border
point the CEO. So if you're not confident in the CEO,
do something about it. And so they've got no excuse

(57:19):
at the end of the day, big board nine people.
I mean, come on, we make things too complicated in
this country. You got to under why some people sit
on boards. Seinfeld. Last night I didn't go, obviously unfortunately,
more's the pity, such as the burden of my existence.
But some members of the family did, and I said,
drop me a little note when you get home. Wasn't late,

(57:41):
it was just before ten o'clock, and I said, dropped
me a little note. So he was on for an hour,
which that's the problem with comedians. They don't do long sets.
It's not like the Rolling Stones and two and a
half hours and a few on course, he was on
for an hour, absolutely sensational, ten out of ten. The
crowd loved them, Autumn lapped him up, and they wanted more.

(58:03):
When he rolled out after one hour, they just wouldn't
let him go. And he seemed it is reported to
me my family members that he seemed to genuinely enjoy
the audience. He seemed like it was more than just
a show. He seemed to get that. They got it,
and that was like it was a good vibe in
the night. So that was fantastic. So he came on
and did some more work. So I'm very very pleased
about that. More importantly, for this country's reputation, there were

(58:24):
no protesters, thank the good Lord. There are a couple
of losers hanging around outside, no one inside, so you're
not seeing the Sydney pictures or the Melbourne pictures. That's good.
He'd be relieved for some of that because of course
I don't know if you're aware of this, but the
war's not his fault. I just small point. It might
have escaped you. So anyway, fantastic night, couldn't they They

(58:44):
thought it was just the greatest thing going. So that
was money well spent. And of course I don't know
that there are tickets left. I'm assuming he sold out
in ages Ago, but he's got one more show in
christ Church which is tomorrow night. But Jerry Seinfeld went
down an absolute treat last night, and they come that
comes to you from the best concert reviewers. I know,
Scott Robinson, our big day yesterday. The Robertson era has begun.

(59:08):
We got England a couple of times over before we
pop over to San Diego. I think it doesn't play
the Fijians and we got Argentina, South Africa, Australia. So
the era has begun. What's the thinking behind it? Scott
Robinson is next.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
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Speaker 1 (59:25):
Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, doing real estate differently since
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Speaker 3 (59:33):
Gonna do when a duel gen Normous Steel? Senny Bill? Oh,
where's hey genorrmous Steel? Senny Bill?

Speaker 20 (59:39):
Oh, where's hey?

Speaker 2 (59:40):
General Stilson past eight? Well, the Scott Robinson All Black's
era has officially begun. To announce the first squad yesterday,
evening names Captain Scott Barrett. Of course, now the questions
turned to the starting twenty three The English loom in
a couple of weeks and Scott Robertson is with us.
Good morning, Good morning, Mike. How'd that feel yesterday?

Speaker 18 (59:58):
It was good? It was good to get on what that.
You know, it's been a while and we've been checking
the players for a long time. We had more steps
and felt like so we were just finalizing the squad
and actually putting it out there and addressing the nation
was good, so we can get it Handsteedy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Now good from the time you got appointed to this
particular point in time for the non rugby officionado, what
is it you do literally every day?

Speaker 18 (01:00:24):
And what have you done normally? To start with a
surf but we there's a lot of zones. It's there's
a lot of work. You do a lot of work.
And beside do you watch European rugby? You watch your
local rugby obviously super you check your players. But because

(01:00:46):
it back in the last year, remember you and I
high eighteen year staff or a new sorry management group
and this year has been focusing on getting a selection
right and how we're going to play. And then because
it's a new new start, new language, new terminology and
new mindset for everything. So there's been a lot of planning.
But you still you just want to get on the

(01:01:07):
rugby field.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
How different do you think it's going to be this
year under you?

Speaker 18 (01:01:14):
How different? Now?

Speaker 19 (01:01:15):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:01:16):
I haven't thought about that one. Like I think people
know who I am. I think don't get me. I
beat myself along the way. I just think big part
of what I was in our scene this year, for
four of the publics together we walk, I think they've
been a little bit more insights, a lot more connection
to who we are, how we do things. And you know,

(01:01:38):
a big part of what I have to do is
bring the past, the legacy with us. So that's what
you'll see off the field, but on the field somewhat too.
Nick can adapt played different ways, played the team in
front of us to win that game. You know, good
q DNA be connected and find ways to win.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Very good answer. A couple of things in that one,
because I I worry about and I've seen it over
the years. You will have to the pressure gets to
coaches and their personality changes. They get crushed. Are you
confident that you're not one of those people.

Speaker 18 (01:02:11):
I've got doctor Kerry Evans with a clinical psychologist and
forensic psychologist. I know he's the music good man to
have in your team. Oh look, look, look, I'm going
to be myself. I'm like, you know, you know, woldn't
lose your tow. I'll be honest, I'll be really clear
and open. I think gets one one of the things

(01:02:32):
that you know when you do your view with players,
they know that what they're going to get, and I'm
sure that or the nation will be the same with it. Look,
I love the roles and responsibility of the job, like
selection and stuff. So I'm looking forward, like I said,
to bring you one together and man, I'm sure you'll
keep me accountable.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Yes, no, I will.

Speaker 15 (01:02:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
The the other part of your answer was good that
the adapt thing, because I'm just a casual you know,
I'm just a passionate follower of the sport. But one
thing I've noticed over the years with the All Blacks,
when things go wrong, they don't appear to have a plan. B.
So was that comment deliberately at that? You see the
same thing we do that somehow on a field you
need to move and adapt when things unfold in front
of you.

Speaker 18 (01:03:14):
Yep. Yeah. Look what one thing when you lived in
and Cross, which is you know that when your neighbor's Antarctica,
the weather's going to changely and you're going to have
to adapt to it if it comes in the warm up,
So you have to have a couple of soles to play,
you know when to set there. The contems around. We
did a lot of worker ound how to beat those
big men. You know, even when were Japan, we had

(01:03:36):
lots of word key structures that we could adapt and
change and a lot of the messages that I'd send
down they're already doing it. So you know, he've done
your job as a coach. So the strategy is a
very important and look, it's not major stuff. It's just
clarity of what's in front of you and what and
how can you do it quickly? So everyone all even

(01:03:57):
the front row, right onto it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
The governance, the governance of the game and all the
stuff that's been going on since your appointment off the field,
has that affected provincial review, the debate, the vote, all
that stuff. Has it affected you in any way in
terms of what you're doing with your job or not?

Speaker 18 (01:04:15):
Arms lenks, mate, That's how I've done it. Like it's
actually that issue is not my problem, so I don't
actually have to solve But Robbie has been really good
at when it starts high performance realm that here it
becomes an issue. You know, I need to understand what's happening,
like I do. I have an understanding, but I have
anything to do with that hands on. Look, I'm a

(01:04:37):
when my role and he's a rugby and all the
perception of her orders. But that's a Mark's job and
he's been really good along with Dane dealing with it.
So at the moment, arms good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Hold on, mate, more questions in the moment. Scott Robertson
All Blacks Coach thirteen past.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Eight, the mic asking Breakfast new.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Subserv quarter past states we've got Robertson, Norm's coach is
with us. As regards Scott, the game itself, the rules,
the debate around at the pace, the slows down, stop starts.
What's your view of it?

Speaker 18 (01:05:10):
We could have made the game quicker. It's an entertainment sport.
People want every sport around there globally is doing the
same thing, same training them and make it quicker. They
want to use reviews, how they use the TV and
the cycle. It's getting better along the couple of the
law committee stuff that we talk about. So the first

(01:05:34):
thing is for safety but also speeded the game and
we can do it in the safety in conjunction. Well,
we're training in the right way, but we're moving you're
moving the right way.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Okay, Pace and fitness do you need to look at
that As far as the all blacks are concerned. Are
we a fitter fast aside?

Speaker 18 (01:05:57):
Wow, coming out of super rugby at good question. Look,
the one thing is, you know we chase the winter
and test footy and you get your guys coming off
the back of you know, super obviousy. You don't get
a period of time around the fitness side of it.
But Nickoli's bringing over twenty years. He look at that's
a big load and the test weeks is one of

(01:06:18):
the things I looked at. I just couldn't fare them
how much load and work they do then inside of it.
But yeah, it's a contact it's a physical game that
the higher the level and rugby you get, the more physicality.
It's like any other sports like start of Project Origin.
You know the brutality. There's guys are big square headers.

(01:06:38):
You look a lot more at body weight, especially in
those kits, and you look at people who can use
the top of their shoulder and repeat if it's back
to back to back. So huge physicality.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
What about the rust factor and this traditional thing we're
by You've you've got now, you've got your side and
you get all that then you put them together. You've
only got a couple of weeks to mold them into
something that's a unit. How hard a task is that.

Speaker 18 (01:07:07):
It depends how you frame it, Mike, Like, you know
we've got from Wednesday when we all get together. You
know we've got that ten period. Is you got to
get the first day right. That's the number one job.
Get that right and you'll get the next day right.
And how And because we're in the new facili and
jured cis with which is we're we're the last place
in the world, really last country in the world not

(01:07:28):
to have a high performance for the facility where all
our teams in black go to. So for that to
be there huge. You're not in Auckland traffic. You know,
you one transitions. You know, you can have more meetings,
more time on the field, and that's got a green
room for the for the weddings and rain anyone. So look,
may make a big difference for us to get the
rugby part, the cultural, the connection piece in the leadership right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Good. Speaking of leadership, what's it like most people put
an add on trade meal seek and people apply for
the job. You get to pick your own people, not players,
but the McDonald and co. Alongside you. What's it like
to have the people you picked their your men.

Speaker 18 (01:08:10):
Well, it's great. It's good to have you know, runs
on the board. It's good to have the connection, the
personal connection, also the professional side of it. So they're
obviously at the high end of the physical profession, but
also something that you can trust, someone that can have
that conversation that's required and get good direct feedback you know,
longer like your wife and and then then then you

(01:08:33):
can fast track. You're not hiding stuff you know you
can get you can move on. So people know how
I work. They support someone like a jas Rohan. We
work together, bufy together because we've we've been through a lot,
We've got a lot of history. We know how we
work and we can complement each other.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Explain the crusaders this year to us.

Speaker 18 (01:08:55):
Were again this wasn't on the list. I don't think
there was a list, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Now there was just just for the record, there wasn't
a list.

Speaker 18 (01:09:05):
Okay, oh look, you know it's difficult to watch and
lots of ways you know I felt and you wide
it with them, but also you look at a different eye.
You're always going to be a part of it, you know,
because your history in your in your life and time
with the butt. You look at it a different eye. Look,
I feel for them. You know there was it gave

(01:09:26):
so much games of fine margins and you know they
weren't beat on on effort. When you start getting beat
on effort and the care goes, that was still there.
So you know that there's only little margins and top sport,
and that didn't quite enough of those. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Do you follow the Warriors at all?

Speaker 18 (01:09:49):
Yes? I do?

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Did you see the Weekends game?

Speaker 18 (01:09:52):
Yes? I did? Sixers and I want Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
So Andrew Webster I love. He's like you. He's he's passionate.
He he's got a certain something about him with players.
He seemed to have a side. Right, then it falls
apart in that way. What do you do?

Speaker 18 (01:10:12):
The first thing you've got to You've got to do
is you normally have a little game model that he'll
look at, so you don't start making pulling things in
that part of what you've discussed before. Have you got
it right? Was the number one thing he'll if someone's
going to put sixty six on you, your mindset wasn't
right for the day. So it doesn't matter all your

(01:10:34):
structures and skill set where I'm to be The mindset
is your shoulder wasn't ready to put it through the
persson in front of you, So why did he get
that wrong? And obviously what he did with the panthers
a couple of weeks earlier in the role they've been on.
What is it the week they got wrong? The leadership
they go wrong and so he'll look at himself, you know, No,

(01:10:55):
we've be done a bit of work with him and
he'll look at himself. What did he not get right?
Because he I mean Levine to be honest with the
group and sit down, have we good a hui and
so rodio but own it and what happens next?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Good stuff. I'm super excited for you, mate, and I
hope it goes brilliantly well the whole season, but starting
with England's Good Fund. So it's good to catch up
and go well. Best of luck to you. Che's lovely
to talk Take care. R Scott Robinson, All Blacks Coach.

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have the country behind him.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
I think you're one hundred percent right there, Mike Robinson,
great listen, thank you, Peter. What what smart down to
earth guy is? Good luck, He's brilliant. I love. I'm
an unabashed Scott Robinson fan.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
I enjoyed the interview and pleased to hear it. Geez
the old Ford and Me. Mike loved that chat. Put
the top of the shoulder through the guy. Yes, no
corporate speak there, Glenn Weld said, Mike Rugby bores the
shit out of me, but what an awesome interview. Good
luck to him, neckbruth. Very nice of you to say,
you see you win a my one at a time,
don't you. Nigel Farage let me come to Nigel Faraje

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in a moment before I forget Cooper, Ellen, I told
you about Seinfeld being as sensational hit from the family
reviewers last night. Had had I don't know how to
put this. I had well, Katie went, daughter went, daughter's
boyfriend went, son went. So that's a good and seventeen
seventeen twenty five Katie's I think, what's she now? Thirty two,

(01:13:26):
thirty three? Whatever? She is so a good chronological cross
section of people who thought it was the greatest show going.
Cooper Allen, who we've had on the program. In fact,
I'd like to lay claim to discovering him actually on
TikTok Oh. Yes, Sam, it was you, but you're assays
the other show. So Sam discovers Cooper Allen on TikTok
we go to him, he comes on the show. Then
when he comes to the country, we get him and
he plays a song. You like him. Now he's announced

(01:13:47):
the tour. That's how these things work anyways, coming to
the country in October and November. And so if you're
into if you're into Cooperrellen, then we've got very good
news for you. So he'll be playing in Auckland only
unfortunately early days. He's a he's an up and coming talent.
As they say, power station in Auckland November the fifth.
Make it a Christmas present for somebody. For goodness sake,

(01:14:08):
Cooper Alum has heard on the Mic Hosking Breakfast. Now
I didn't have time for Nigel Farage, which is okay
because Rod does and he's next.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
You're trusted Home the news Board Entertainments, Anion and Mike
A Mi Hosking Breakfast with Avida Live The Age You
Feel News Talks Eddie.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Mike I said on boards both commercial and not for profit,
board should always be stacked with genuine expertise and deep
current relevant knowledge. So someone tell me what the obvious
labor reward appointments were doing on the board as critical
as Kiwi rails, Marion Street question mark that's the one
I came up with, and an ex chancellor of a university.
These type of grace and favor appointments only hinder progress.
They're also higher risks for a non labor government, a

(01:14:48):
block in the spokes of good governance and progress. If
you want to look at a good board, have a
look at the Reserve Bank board and you might come
to the same conclusion. Twenty three minutes away from.

Speaker 13 (01:14:57):
No international correspondence with ends an eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 11 (01:15:03):
Right, little money mate, Good rolling to you, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
You took last Thursday off because you have you're busy
campaigning and we'll come to that in just a couple
of moments. So give us the update. Polls. What are
we reading? How bad is it for the Tories and
is it getting worse.

Speaker 11 (01:15:18):
It's catastrophic for the Tories, it's not necessarily getting worse catastrophic.
So over the weekend and indeed, for a couple of
days before the weekend, it really looked as if there
was a Reform Party searge and there has been, I mean,
no question about it. But my guess is it may

(01:15:41):
have reached its peak with Reform ahead of the Tories,
which is calamitous for the Tories, but nowhere near enough
ahead in order to worry labor, but enough to ensure
that the Conservatives are down to you know, fifty sixty
seven his seats at the most, And you do wonder

(01:16:04):
is there a natural kind of ceiling for people who
will be prepared to vote reform. Obviously, if you looked
at the continent in Europe, there isn't, because the parties
who are similar to reform or winning hand over fist
and some of that has come over here, but not
enough I think to suggest that there's a huge sea

(01:16:28):
change in British politics in which the Conservative Party has
been replaced overnight by the Reform Party.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
As regards barajan As comments over the weekend about Ukraine
and poking the bear and all the umbradge that's been
tossed upon him. Does that play well with his lot end?
Or was he misinterpreted to the extent that what I
think he was trying to say was that Putin has
long been reported as saying the expansion of NIGHTO worries
me and have an expense too far, I'll do something

(01:16:54):
about it. So he stayed in the obvious, isn't he.

Speaker 11 (01:16:58):
Up to a point? I think there is a difference
between what between how what Faraj said is received by
members of his own party who have a vague putini
Ish sympathy, and how it plays in the red Wall
in the electorate in general, where there is no such thing.

(01:17:20):
And also you cover a little bit with what he
said about NATO's continual eastern expansion. Well, you know NATO
has indeed, you know, embraced the Baltic countries and Poland
and so on, but that was because they wished to
join NATO to protect themselves from the from Russia. So

(01:17:45):
I think I think he got the tone wrong, which
is not unusual for Nigel Farage. But I think he
got the tone wrong, and he's been eviscerated for it,
and I think he would rather the whole issue haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Been raised, right betting scandal. Is there so much going
on that that's not the thing It might be on
another day, or is it bigger than being her?

Speaker 11 (01:18:10):
I just think it is so absolutely emblematic of what
everyone in the country thinks of the Conservative Party that
the fine detail doesn't really matter. You know, we have
severe Conservative people betting, insider dealing basically on the date
of the election, and it plays into every trope Sekir

(01:18:33):
Starmer could wish to raise, to say, this is why
they shouldn't be the government, you know, a privilege of
moneyed and of greed, and it couldn't be worse for
Richards Sunac You So, I assume Sunac is sitting there thinking,
my god, what's going to happen next week? Tell it
wouldn't surprise me if something did. It's an administration which

(01:18:56):
has gone before the end of its time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
You going, how's your r Are you? Are you winning
the vote? You're winning the Hustings, You're you're heading to parliament?
Are things turning for your rod?

Speaker 11 (01:19:07):
I can feel the will of the people behind me,
I thought, being said, I did. I did kind of
win the Hustings the last testings I was in, which
is you know, from a standing star. The party nobody
has really heard of, did really well. But I'm tied

(01:19:27):
a little bit, you know, to a party which is
what I'm tired a lot, to a party which has
no no possible public persona. So we're not going to
do very well. But it's all good fun, Mike. I
would advise you to do it. I think next election, mate,
you should be out there and I will come and
campaign for you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Fantastic well you campaigning for me is reason enough by
the idea of time to watch the eurysa. You're too busy.

Speaker 11 (01:19:52):
Oh, I've been watching it. I've been watching it, and
you know, if we should see that expected a kind
of boosting support by a good fear factor. He's losing
out there. England have been abysmal, none more so than
in the drawer with Denmark, and then of course Scotland
went out last night a course of much hilarity. South
of the border, it's not looking at all, and Fans

(01:20:16):
and Spain are looking very strong indeed, so I don't
think the Euros are going to come to Rich's help.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
All right, mate, listen, go well and we'll catch up
next Tuesday, appreciate it very much. And then at the
end of that next week, as in next week it's
election time nine days away in Britain. Rod Little seventeen
to nine the hosts, just before we leave Britain, how
Britain's Labor Party became electable again. Piece in the Herald
via the New York Times yesterday, written by a guy

(01:20:42):
called Mike Landler, and I was a remind you of
Jeffrey Robertson. If you didn't get that Sydney Morning Herald,
it's behind a wall. You might have to pay for it.
But I'll tell you what actual Robertson's a really interesting guy.
If you don't know who he is, read about him,
because he's fascinating all by himself. Anyway. He's the guy
who hired Starmer. He's Australian Robinson, but he's the guy
who hired Starmer originally as a young lawyer. And he

(01:21:05):
explains very clearly who he is, what he's about, what
sort of prime minister he's going to be. So that's
worth reading. But this piece out of the New York
Times sort of as far as I can work out
to a degree, missus, the point in less than five years,
the opposition Labour Party has gone from massive defeat to
the favorite to win next year's election. Starmer is employing
the ming var strategy. The mingvar strategy is where the

(01:21:26):
politician gingerly avoids slips to protect a leading the polls
credited de Roy Jenkins, British politician likened to a previous
Labour candidate Tony Bleer on the of his ninety seven
landslide to a man carrying a priceless ming vas across
a highly polish floor. So you careful, careful, careful, careful, careful, careful,
get yourself to election day. He has nursed his party's
double digit polling lead for more than eighteen months, methodically

(01:21:48):
repositioning labor as a credible center left alternative to the
divided erratics sometimes extremist conservatives. What misses the point there
is he could be anyone. You could have Mickey Mouse
the Labour Party at the moment, and they would still
be winning. It's got nothing to do with the repositioning
of the Labour Party. I'm not entirely convinced that the Labour
Party is repositioned. I'm not entirely convinced that the Labour Party,

(01:22:10):
what they say and what they do the same thing
or anywhere close to it. What I know is the
Conservative is a useless, hapless, hopeless have been in power
for fourteen years, and time does in all governments, and
that is why the Labor Party is going to win
the next election. Mike, the judge is signaled, we haven't
mentioned this this morning, that Goldris won't be getting anything
like imprisonment and the defense want discharged with no conviction.

(01:22:32):
Why is she termed a first time offender when she
stole from at least a few different stores on different occasions.
Obviously it gets lump together. Of course it does the
whole thing if you've never offended before. The offender is
a reference to have you been to court and being
convicted of something previously. The answers know this all collectively
got put together in a series of charges. What I
found disappointing yesterday was that we were all standing by

(01:22:55):
for the sentencing until it got delayed, and you just
what a classic example of why the justice move so slowly.
What I also would hope from the comments that I
read is that on one side, the defense, they're busy
telling everybody she's got PTSD and there were threats online
and it painted a very doer picture. And then the

(01:23:16):
Crown gets up and goes, well, hold on the reference
to PTSD, it's possible, The report says, it's possible, requiring
the judge, of course, to have read all the notes
and therefore be cognizant of what the two sides are
saying and how maybe somewhere in the middle lies the reality.
So no prison. I wouldn't have expected prison. You've got
a guilty plea, you've got a first time offender, you

(01:23:38):
do have the specter of a legal career. The Crown
argued that the Law Association could handle that no problem
at all. You know, just because you convicted. It's a
person of good character and they are able to take
into account that sort of subtlety and therefore leave it
to them, not at court. But it's going to be
really really interesting as to where she comes to. To

(01:24:00):
get no conviction, you would have to say, is I
would think disappointing, but probably in the current climate not unusual.
But then you've got a counterbalance that with who she is,
the responsibility it carries, and for all that the defense
is running PDSD social online trolling. It's not unique to her. Sadly,

(01:24:24):
and as sadly as it is to say women of
profile in this country get abysmally treated on social media.
It's not acceptable, it's reprehensible. We all agree with that,
but we all don't go out and commit crimes, and
so a certain level of responsibility needs to be taken
into account there. So we go back on Thursday, Turn
Away from nine, call the.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Mic Costing breakfast with the Jaguar News const.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
Be Mike can't believe Brazer will bring back the enthusiasm
for the All Blacks that was lacking since our twenty
fifteen World Cup win. Best of luck to Worldsport needs
a break dancing national coach. That's probably true, Mike. You
know what was so refreshing about the interview with Scott
Robinson was the fact that the top New Zealand coach
was talking about rugby league once upon a time that
rugby league was blacklisted when it came to rugby administration.

Speaker 18 (01:25:09):
Is that true?

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
I mean, a good coach is a good coach, isn't he?
And good to know he's been working with Webby. But
as fast as don't you find it fascinating that somebody
as good as Webster can find himself in that predicament
and what is it that went wrong? And what do
you do about what a conundrum? Ay didn't mention. I'm
very much looking forward to chatting with Steve Price about

(01:25:32):
this tomorrow. And this is a very good lesson in
theory versus reality. The Australian government who trumpeted their ideas
around vaping, and we all sat here in New Zealand,
especially when Asia Eryl in the previous government came out
with her answer to vaping which was pathetic and ours was.
The new government was slightly better but different and they
had to go at Casey Costello. Remember that early on

(01:25:53):
in the term they thought Casey Costello was a weak
link because she was a new MP for New Zealand.
First she was tied up with the tobacco industry Yardiard.
It turned out not to be the case, but nevertheless,
we've never been quite as hard on it as the
Australians have been. About prescriptions, about going to the doctor,
about going to the pharmacy and all that sort of stuff. Anyway,
none of was going to come to pass because they
couldn't get it through the Senate. The Health Minister, guy

(01:26:15):
called Butler had to do a deal with the Greens
to water down the vape ban to pass through the Senate.
The original prosal didn't have the sport wasn't going anywhere,
so you can it's saying things is one thing, delivering
is something completely different. So now it turns out they're
not much different than we are. Five away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Trending now hum as well your home of Winter assential.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
I'm so pleased this has happened because every now and
again social media actually throws up something relatively entertaining. So
the fairy, we all know the story about the faery
the transmission tower. Anyway, somebody on social media's dug up
and off she goes virally. John Clark, who was one
of our favorite people who went off to Australia in
the seventies, passed away in twenty seventeen. He was out
there walking just with his family, walking, fit as a
fiddle apparently, and that was the end of him. Anyway,

(01:26:59):
he used to do these skits and they were brilliantly,
brilliantly funny, where he would pay a Minister of the
day and just do it in his own voice. He
wasn't an impersonator at all. He'd just talk in his
own voice, but in a way that only John Clark could.

Speaker 18 (01:27:14):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
This particular skit is of an oil tanker that broke
apart and leaked oil into the ocean. And of course
what they're looking at now is this This could have
been the other day in the fery.

Speaker 20 (01:27:24):
Well, thanks for coming in, it's a great pleasure.

Speaker 23 (01:27:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 20 (01:27:26):
This ship that was involved in the incidentt off westn
Australia this week.

Speaker 23 (01:27:29):
Yeah, the one the front fell off. Yeah, yeah, that's
not very typical. I'd like to make that point.

Speaker 20 (01:27:33):
Well, how is it done typical?

Speaker 23 (01:27:34):
Well, there are a lot of these ships going around
the world all the time and very seldom does anything
like this happen. I just don't want people thinking that
tankers aren't safe.

Speaker 20 (01:27:40):
Was this tanker safe?

Speaker 23 (01:27:41):
Well, I was thinking more about the other ones, the
ones that are safe. Yeah, the ones the front doesn't
fall off.

Speaker 20 (01:27:45):
Well, if this wasn't safe, why did it have eighty
thousand tons of oil on it?

Speaker 23 (01:27:49):
But I'm not saying it wasn't safe. It's just perhaps
not quite as safe as some of the other ones. Why, well,
some of them are built so over the front doesn't
fall off at all.

Speaker 20 (01:27:55):
Wasn't this built so the front wouldn't fall off?

Speaker 23 (01:27:56):
Obviously not?

Speaker 20 (01:27:57):
How do you know because the front fell off? What's
what standard? Did these oil tankers built to.

Speaker 23 (01:28:02):
A very rigorous maritime engineering standards?

Speaker 20 (01:28:04):
What sort of thing?

Speaker 23 (01:28:05):
Well, the front's not supposed to fall off, for a start,
and what other things? Well, there are regulations governing the
materials that they can be made of. What materials or
cardboards out? They've got to have a steering wheel. There's
a minimum crew requirement.

Speaker 20 (01:28:16):
What's the minimum crew? Oh one, I spase, it's why
did the front book fall off?

Speaker 18 (01:28:20):
Well?

Speaker 20 (01:28:20):
A wave hit it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
A wave hit it, A.

Speaker 23 (01:28:22):
Wave hit the ship.

Speaker 20 (01:28:24):
Is that unusual?

Speaker 23 (01:28:24):
Oh yeah, let's sea chance at a million?

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
See correct me if I'm wrong. If you hadn't heard
that before, tell me that that's not as funny today
as it ever was twenty years ago. Brian Dawes the
other guy, and they had quite a thing. He was
on the he was on the ABC and it was
either linked to Four Corners or a nightly current affairs show.
But tell me that's not as funny and as clever
today as it was back then. Right, Tuesday, done, middle

(01:28:52):
of the week tomorrow six See you then as any days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
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