Full Show Podcast: 25 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. The
Mic Hosking.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Breakfast with the Jaguar f base cut from a different cloth,
News talks edbeing.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
And welcome today by by cost of the Police Commissioner
on his time the supermarket facial recognition trial that seems
to have been a success. We're not drinking milk the
way we used to apparently, market Ginny Politics Wednesday at
the right. Of course, Murray Olds and Richard Arnold have
the Big Bad World cabin as well. Last so we
come to the middle of the week seven past six perol.
Chris Hipkins, of course, suffering the fate of many a

(00:31):
leader who's lost an election. At the moment, he's stuck
in that no man's land where a lot of what
you say is irrelevant, people don't want to hear from you.
And now the polls are turning. Of course, the government
is getting popular based on the simple trick that what
you were handed was a mess and a lot of
stuff needs to be changed. And the stuff that needs
to be changed was of course delivered to them by
Chris Hopkins, who can't hide from the calamity that it's
turned out to be. Mind you Peter Dutton in Australia

(00:53):
not so long ago, he was seen by many as
unelectable and net checked the polls. He's not only in
the race, but if in an early vote was called
today won't be for obvious reasons. He could well win anyway.
Old chippies in London at the moment we're in Britain
at least looking for tips from the British Labour Party.
Now here's the problem with the British Labour Party. They
didn't win. The Conservatives lost because they've been in power

(01:14):
for years, got lazy and complacent in time kills all governments.
Labour weren't clever or original or strategic. They just basically
weren't the incumbents. They've also turned out to be sleazy,
having taken money from donors for clothing and glasses and
apartments in New York. But if there's a lesson for
the chipster, it might be in their tax policies. They
are of course looking to tax people more. One of

(01:35):
the changes is the so called non dom regime. Now
it's those sort of changes that Night Frank this Week
have found in their latest report are putting the ultra
wealthy off Britain the ultra wealthy, sixty three percent of
them are now looking to leave the country. There are
seventy four thousand ultra wealthy in Britain, up from sixty
eight thousand last year. Not only do a lot of
them want to leave, many more claim they would never

(01:57):
have come to Britain in the first place if they
had known they were going to be targeted by tax
The places they're looking to head to are Monaco, Italy,
Switzerland and Dubai. And that's the lesson for hipkins. The
wealthy are mobile, but the wealthier needed and needed, especially
in places like New Zealand. So the hope is the
visit might see the penny drop. His own plans for
more tax are dead on arrival. Capital gains and wealth

(02:19):
taxes are the lazy man's approach to economic policy. Good
leaders work that out. He shouldn't need a trip to
the other side of the world to stumble over the obvious.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
So the world's slowly starting togather in New York for
the UN's annual gab fest. This bloke's giving it crack
one last time.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I put forward with Cutter and Egypt to cease fire
and hastage due it's beenindors by the UN Security Council.
Now is the time for the parties of Finalizer's terms
bring the hostages home.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
If you're on the ground and by route Pize doesn't
seen that close at all.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Sex people have been killed injured so far.

Speaker 6 (03:01):
Clearly a great deal of damage is being caused.

Speaker 7 (03:04):
You can see the top of that building has been.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Wrecked apart.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
The Israelis are running out again of the line about
it's not you, it's his Balan.

Speaker 8 (03:14):
We are destroying thousands of missiles and rockets that are
directed at Israel's cities and citizens. And the Prime Minister
has been very very clear that our objective is to
get our people back in Britain.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
So key has laidered on thick at that conference and
the keynote.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
Every single person in this country can judge our performance
on actions, not words, a Britain that belongs to you,
because we maintain our focus at all times on fixing
those foundations for working people.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Whatever Chinese Central Bank surprise most market watches by tossing
some stimulus into the Belliegate economy, this is substantial.

Speaker 7 (03:53):
This is the greatest stimulus that they've given to the
economy since two thousand and eight, and the numbers are
quite staggering.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
I mean the long term, they need to sort the property.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Out, which is why that's where the biggest cuts have
come from. Poll for you. You want a poll, UIs she's
tighter than a type thing.

Speaker 9 (04:11):
Because a national poll includes big Democratic strongholds like New
York and California that usually a Democrat needs to be
more ahead in that national popular vote in order to
win the electoral College, not sort of in a tide race,
which this looks to be.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'll give you the numbers in a moment. Finally, from
our gift horse in the mouth file Boeing workers who
are currently on strikings about forty one thousand, the union
of the Company of the gun back and forth for
about a month. Union rejected the payoffer. Rejected the payoffer
of twenty five percent. We're out thirty percent plus nine
and a half thousand dollars signing bonus and increased retirement benefits.
Bones says they've gotten till the end of the week

(04:46):
because this is the final off of the union says
we're not even going to vote on it. They want
further improvements to the package, including a forty percent increase.
And there's the years of the world end delusion in
ninety seconds. The numbers officially in that US pole forty.
I still don't know why they and he was alluding to,
I don't know why they bang on about the national numbers.
I mean it's pointless. It's the swing states each and
every time. But for what it's worth, the seeing and

(05:07):
pole this morning, forty eight Harris forty seven, Trump two
percent to Chase Oliver one percent for the Green Party
nominee Jill Stein. Seventy two percent of Trump's supporters say
their choice is for him as opposed to being just
against Harris, and sixty percent of the Harris supporters say
it's her as opposed to just being against Trump. Twelve

(05:28):
past six.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
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Speaker 3 (05:39):
Poll's may be tight, but Harris has got yet another
open letter this morning. She is just being besieged by
open letters. Tonight's or overnight letter was four hundred economists
and former White House policy advisors. So she's got security heads,
military heads, entertainment heads, and now a letter from four
hundred economists endorsing her brilliance fifteen parts six You're brilliance

(06:00):
from jmi Roll Andrew Kellen.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
A good morning, very good morning, micro.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Now four point three five. I don't think the non
movement was the surprise. Do we know when she's going
to move if at all?

Speaker 6 (06:11):
Well, the markets have a view.

Speaker 10 (06:13):
So we're talking about central bank, the Reserve Bank of
Australia now, So look, central bank activity is starting to
get really interesting, Michael, this if you're a bit weird
like me, because you're starting to see differences in how
different economies are sort of reacting in the post pandemic, post.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
Military policy response world.

Speaker 10 (06:31):
So the RBA reviewed the cash right essay, left it
unchanged at four point three five percent, but they talked
pretty tough and they used the line that they have
used before that they're not ruling anything out.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
So either could be a hike or a cuts.

Speaker 10 (06:44):
They stressed the need to remain vigilant to the upside
risks to inflation. The policy needs to remain restrictive until
they're confident that inflation is moving sustainably towards the target man.
So clearly, look, the RBA didn't tighten as aggressively as
New Zealand did, and they're now not experience interesting the
same degree of slowdown as we are seeing here in
New Zealand, so they didn't still see the peak and

(07:05):
the trough, so they now don't have the same degree
of certainty around that full of inflation. Then you got
the press conference and the RBA Governor Bullock then said
that they didn't explicitly discuss a rate hike. So the
market over there, the financial markets are now expecting the
central Bank two turn dubbish, so potentially seeing a repeat
of what we've seen here in New Zealand that the

(07:26):
market just doesn't believe the central back line. So from
what I can see is that the close of trading yesday,
interstrates fell quite sharply, So the market is now expecting
them to turn dubbish between now and Christmas, and to
do that in quite a big way. But the passage
of time will be the judge they might. We'll just
have to wait and see how the numbers pan out.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
And speaking of numbers, eighty nine point two is not
one hundred and so that's why we'retle bit down on
the old job market.

Speaker 10 (07:50):
We are I'll explain that eight nine point two numbers.
So this is the Westpac McDermott Miller employment confidence in
the ex release yesterday, So it's a quarterly figure. So
look at the Septem McCord, so quite up to date
and telling a story that you probably would have expected,
that employment confidence has fallen.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
It's down two point two points to eighty nine point two.

Speaker 10 (08:08):
A fairly sort of sobering observation is that this level
is periselessly close to the pandemic era lows. Job availability
is viewed as having deteriorated further. So it's like our
slow motion train wreckers and it Mike, so we can sort.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
Of see it happening.

Speaker 10 (08:23):
We're living through it on a day to day basis,
but we're not sure yet what the extent of the
damage is going to be. So that eighty nine point two,
what does it mean? Well, when the index is below
one hundred, more New Zealanders are pessimistic about the state
of the labor market than are optimistic. And if I
sort of compare this to consumer confidence, consumers, consumers seem

(08:43):
to be seeing the lights at the end of the tunnel,
but we can't say the same yet for.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
The jobs market, jobs are harder to find.

Speaker 10 (08:49):
The survey tells us this that aspect that job availability
has a good relationship historically with the unemployment rate. So
if that relationship holds the unemployment, well we'll rise further.
And Westpac expected to go to about five percent. And
one sort of I suppose regional aspect here. Ye'd expect
Wellington to be downbeat on the plantforms and they are.

(09:10):
The thing is Auckland's caught the bug too, So Auckland
is now getting that same thing. Let's look at the
labor Market's always one of the last to react in
this kind of in this type part of the economic cycle,
and we're seeing.

Speaker 11 (09:19):
It all right.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Taught me through China a little gup or is this
a bit of panic?

Speaker 6 (09:23):
There's a g up?

Speaker 10 (09:25):
So this is a China stimulus package announced yesterday. So
they're joining the global monetary policy loosening party. You know
the US kind of kicked that off, really, didn't they
with a big fifty basis point cut. They are now
stimulus measures yesterday. So it's good for New Zealand if
they can stimulate demand. The question is will they be
able to It's not as substantial as previous stimulus measures

(09:45):
have been.

Speaker 6 (09:45):
So that's the first thing.

Speaker 10 (09:47):
They custom organistrates fifty basis points, so that think gives
more spending potential to people. The People's Bank of China
pleased to increase lending support to the property sector, the
beleaguered property sector. More parties, places like brokerage houses will
be able to access.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
Central Bank liquidity. So they want to stimulate domestic demand.

Speaker 10 (10:05):
That's good for Australasia who export a lot to there.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
It was good for the.

Speaker 10 (10:10):
Share markets and Asia yes as well, so Hong Kong sharemaks,
China share markets. They all lifted a fair bit and
you saw some companies as well play these like Rio
Tinto BHP they also lifted as the prospect of stronger
Chinese demand.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Right our numbers time, not.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
Much happening on the Dow Jones.

Speaker 10 (10:26):
It's up three points forty two one hundred and twenty eight,
so that's not much. The S and P five hundred
is up ten points five seven two eight point one
seven percent, and then Nassak a little bit better. It's
about half a percent up as we speak eighteen thousand
and sixty three overnight. The FORTS one hundred gain point
two eight percent eight to eight two. The nick was
up point five seven percent, up two hundred and seventeen

(10:48):
points three seven nine four.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
Oh, but look at the Shanghai compost.

Speaker 10 (10:51):
It was up four point one five percent, So that's
a grunty move two eight six three up one hundred
and fourteen points. The Aussi's yesterday lost eleven points eight
one four one. We lost one hundred points on the
enzix fifty yesterday point eight one of a percent twelve.

Speaker 6 (11:05):
Three hundred and three.

Speaker 10 (11:07):
The Australasian currents commodity currencies, they liked that.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
Chinese stimulus move.

Speaker 10 (11:13):
So Kimi dollar points sixty three to two seven, that's
the highest we've seen it for a little while.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
Point nine to one nine nine against the.

Speaker 10 (11:19):
Aussie point five six seven O euro point four to
seven two.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
Four against the pound. Nineteen point eight four.

Speaker 10 (11:24):
Japanese en gold is still strong two thousand, six hundred
and fifty two US dollars and Brent crude seventy five
dollars and two cents, so it is creeping back up again.

Speaker 11 (11:34):
Magus, it is.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
We're talking about it tomorrow. Andrew kelliherjmoworld dot co dot
m z tasking astonishing numbers from Stats New Zealand yesterday.
The number of US who holidayed in France in the
year to June almost trebled for some bizarre reason. Now
you're immediately going to go it's the Olympics. This is
for June. The Olympics were in August. So unless you

(11:55):
turned up for the Olympics two months early, you were
just on holiday. Everybody is seeing this massive uptick in
interest in going to France, whether it's on a boat
or down a river. But you cannot argue with a
one hundred and ninety four point three percent increase year
on years. So what is it about France? A six
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Speaker 2 (12:19):
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Speaker 11 (12:25):
A b kevill of.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Quick Things as an old saying, Vegas is where you
get married, Reno's where you get divorced. And this is
why Reno has seen the Murdochs roll into town for
the last couple of days. That's now concluded. Plenty of
media have tried to go to court and get a
decision to open it up. They haven't got it so far.
We have no idea what happened. We have no indications
when the decision will come down, and if and when
it does come down, we have no idea whether it

(12:48):
will ever be made public. Meantime, Zelenski is in the States.
He's got his peace plan and he said, I think
we are closer to peace than we think. So he's
going to present this to Congress and Trump and Harris
and Biden. It's not about negotiating with Russia, but rather
it was a bridge to a diplomatic way out to
stop the war. But it would involve increasing the strength

(13:11):
of the Ukrainian army. He speaks in riddles. Sex twenty
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Speaker 1 (13:17):
Now thereouse the home of big brand.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Skincare, Marvel a back new project called Thunderbolts. You need
to think Suicide Squad for Marble combines a bunch of
previous movie villains turning themselves into antiheroes.

Speaker 12 (13:29):
There is something wrong with me, an emptiness. I'm just
drifting and I don't have purpose. I thought throwing myself
into work was the answer.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Oh no, who are you?

Speaker 11 (13:48):
I'm Bob?

Speaker 13 (13:50):
Who sent you?

Speaker 11 (13:50):
Bob?

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Nobody are you?

Speaker 6 (13:52):
You are all sent?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I'm right up.

Speaker 14 (13:54):
We just belief that there are good guys and there
are bad guys, but eventually you've come to realize that
there are bad guys and there are worse guys and
nothing else.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Look at you so adorable.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Florence Pugh, Harrison Ford, Julie Lewis, dreyfus Sebastian Stan. If
you're a Marvel fan, who you get? You get your
Lana Red, Guardian, Bucky Barnes, Love, Bucky Barnes, Ghost, Taskmaster,
US Agent, and Century, among others. So they want the

(14:36):
viewers to be able to need less backstory to be
able to see their movies in what is now Phase
five at the Universe. So for this film So Cool,
you'll only need to watch five movies and a TV
show on Disney Plus to understand the backstory. What a
bunch of geniuses beating people up on the bus. Back

(15:02):
to the real world of New Zealand more on this shortly.

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Speaker 3 (15:20):
After seven o'clive pack in Israel. I know that Iran
is ready for talks and Biden's member the UN So
all of that with Richard Ald shorty. Meantime about cod
latest social ill. We have to crack down on the
appears to be the business of our behavior. On public transport.
We have what the Justice Minister calls a worrying increase
in attacks and buses and taxi drivers as well as trains.
Of course, so the offense will become an aggravating factor

(15:40):
in court. Other safety measures will also receive funding. Apparently
the Bus and Coach Association BOS Delaneie Myers.

Speaker 11 (15:46):
Is with us.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Good morning to you. Good morning, Mike, I'm very well. Indeed,
how would outside of what I've just described by way
of an intro, how would you describe the vibe on
a bus or a train at the moment in terms
of interacting with the public, better, worse, no different.

Speaker 15 (16:00):
Look, we're certainly seeing problems, Mike, and it's not just violence,
you know, We've got threats, aggression and in particular racial
slurs going on and it's just unacceptable. No one should
be abused in their workplace.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Quite correct? And is this getting worse than the sense
that because there's seemingly a no consequences, people just take
the mickey.

Speaker 15 (16:18):
Look it is getting worse, and look, we know many
of these incidents involved people who are in fringes of
society with mental health and drug and alcohol issues. So
you know, for us, we're not seeing this as just
a public transport problem. It's a complex societal issue. But
you know, the ramifications on us at the end of
it delivering public transport services are significant and we do
need more help to keep people safe.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
In making it an aggravating factor in court, it would
need to go to court, which would mean something would
need to happen when the event, does anything ever happen, Look.

Speaker 15 (16:49):
It does tend to vary. All of the buses are
equipped with CCTV, so any incidents that do occur are
caught on camera. And you know, of course, like anything else,
is down to relative priority for police. But we have
been experiencing good support from police when incidents occur.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Okay, and when we talk about these safety measures being funded,
what are these safety measures and what do you need?

Speaker 15 (17:11):
So one of the things that are being funded, and
we support our moves to install safety screens for drivers,
it is unfortunate things have come to this because most
of our passengers love engaging, you know, most of the
drivers love engaging with the passengers, but we do need
to keep them safe, and a physical barrier is part
of that, but it doesn't help stop the thought, the
threats and the racial abuse or keep passengers safe. So
really what we'd like to see in addition is increased

(17:34):
personnel support on buses because we know that the presence
of authority figures helps to moderate behavior.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
And that's all about cost. In the moment, you do cost,
You got trouble, don't.

Speaker 15 (17:43):
You absolutely, you know, without a doubt, increased personnel is
increased money, and really it comes down to the investment priorities.
But we think it's critical to keep that workplace safe
and to keep users of public transport safe.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Well said Delney. Appreciate your time. To Loney Myers, who's
the Bus and Coach Association boss with us nineteen minutes
away from seven asking intersing that Iran is ready apparently,
and this is all tied up with the people arriving
in New York for the big assembly, but Iran is
ready to talk. This is the sanctioned thing they've been doing.
It through intermediaries. They don't talk with the Americans anymore.
Biden's been there, He's got a peace plan. The reason

(18:16):
I mentioned Iran being ready to talk, that ties in
with his Balar, his blas backed by Iran. If Iran
is ready to talk, how can they talk or how
does anyone want to talk to them when they're backing
his Bilar who are busy with Israel. And so it goes.
So you can see the complicated and convoluted shambles that
we're dealing with. More with Richard Arnold shortly twenty two.

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conference is coming to a conclusion in Britain for the

(19:45):
Labor Party and some scandal and some booing around policies
and free classes and suits and stuff. And then the
keynote came from Starma and basically he said, these are
austere times. We're going to have to go through some
really difficult days before we get to the other side,
but he is rebuilding Britain. Unfortunately none of that got
any coverage. Because of this, I call.

Speaker 7 (20:05):
Again for immediate ceasefire in Gaza, the return of the sassages,
the Hostital, and a recommitment of the two state solution.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
It wasn't even close to but yet it wasn't one
of those things we could go did he just one
more time? Listen?

Speaker 7 (20:23):
I call again for immediate ceasefire in Gaza, the return
of the sausages, the Hostital, and a recommitment of the
two state.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
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Speaker 3 (20:39):
Right, I think pretty fine with General States with the
Donald morning one more time for Joe in New York
last time.

Speaker 16 (20:46):
Yeah, and not the foreign policy farewells and President Biden
would have preferred me, thinks the US President, delivering his
fourth and final speech to the United Nations General Assembly
at a point when he hoped there might be what
we were just talking about, kind of cease father between
Israel and Gaza. Instead, the war has moved on to
levenon with waves of missile strikes. As we've been hearing

(21:07):
about Israel and haswell are firing these missiles, thousands of
people fleeing from the border zone mid fears this is
all shaping as a full scale regional war. So the
Biden theme was, to paraphrase, give peace a chance. Biden,
noting that some other seemingly intractable conflicts ended like Vietnam
back in the day, he went through the history of

(21:28):
his period in political leadership, and he voiced optimism for
the future, saying, it.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Always seems impossible until it's done, my fellow leaders, there's
nothing that's beyond our capacity if we work together well.

Speaker 13 (21:43):
President Biden is calling for.

Speaker 16 (21:46):
A ceasefire in the Middle East, focusing his comments on however,
many Israelian American hostages remain alive in the bloody aftermath
of the Himas raid eleven months back. He said this
in relation to that situation.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Third going through Oh, innocent civilians and Gaza are also
going through hell. Now is the time for the parties
to finalize his terms bring the hostages.

Speaker 16 (22:10):
Home in this war, he told his fellow lawmakers. Still,
the facts of this day certainly don't show events moving
in that way, do they. President Biden also saying this
in relation to Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
The good news is Prune's wars failed. You set out
to destroy Ukraine, but Ukraine is still free. You set
out the week in NATO, but NATO is bigger, stronger,
more unine than ever before.

Speaker 13 (22:35):
You know Ukraine's leader only A.

Speaker 16 (22:37):
Zelensky will meet with Biden later this week, again at
a time when Selenski is urging the US, Britain and
France to let Ukraine make deeper military strikes into Russia.
So this is a very contentious question. Would that be
effective or would it push the Russian nuclear power into
order a confrontation with the West?

Speaker 13 (22:55):
Says Zelensky in relation to his thinking.

Speaker 17 (22:58):
Only in distrong position, we can push, we can push
Puchin to stop the work.

Speaker 16 (23:05):
So, in this farewell address to the UN, President Biden
making the point that he often makes that this is
a key moment of transition, but transition to what.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Right Brett fav So he invested in a company, he's
tied up in Congress and then we get the big revelation.

Speaker 16 (23:19):
Yeah, I think the revelation is the headline here. Because
father has been one of the greats. Played for twenty seasons,
mostly with the Green Bay Packers. As you know, he
won a Super Bowl against the Patriots in ninety seven
Super Bowl thirty one.

Speaker 13 (23:32):
He was a three time MVP.

Speaker 16 (23:33):
Latterly, Yeah, he was broiled in controversy with the misusers
and funds in his home state in Mississippi. Says he
was trying to support a health effort, but money where
to Ryan Ways. He claims he had nothing to do
with that. Aside, there was this bombshell today during the
hearing on welfare reform where fav revealed this.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Too late for me because I've recently been diagnosed with Parkinson's.

Speaker 16 (23:56):
Yeah, that is the first time Brett Favre has revealed this.

Speaker 13 (23:59):
He is aged fifty four, so he's a youngish man.

Speaker 16 (24:02):
Parkinson's course causes tremors, balance and speech problems. Also can
combine with the CTE, which a lot of footballers develop
after the concussions. It is a degenerative brain disease which
can combine with the Parkinson says doctor Timothy Quinn.

Speaker 18 (24:17):
This Fucker's disease diagnosis combined with the potential CTE, which
is the punic traumatic accephalopathy, can be devastating. He even
noted that he can't remember his daughter playing youth soccer,
which is very important to him, which he's expressed over
the years.

Speaker 16 (24:35):
Yeah, dementia, a lack of anger control, and depression, suicidal
feelingses as some of the elements of this thing.

Speaker 13 (24:43):
In the past.

Speaker 16 (24:44):
Five has said he suffered several obvious concussions during his
football time, but he said if you want to talk
about other hits to his head, there might be a
thousand plus. Since this has become an issue a few
years back, only researchers say about one third of former
NFL players surveyed believe.

Speaker 13 (24:59):
They have CT. So this is putting a spotlight right
back on the game.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's amazing I see in a couple of days. Appreciate it.
Richard Arnold stateside, Trump is out in Georgia today. Made
us th yesterday. I'll come to that in a second.
But fortunately in Georgia today he had a chart with him.

Speaker 16 (25:14):
You know my all time favorite chart in history, right,
I have a chart that's my all time favorite.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
I love that.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
Is it around?

Speaker 11 (25:24):
Is it around?

Speaker 5 (25:39):
I love that chart.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I sleep with that chart every night.

Speaker 19 (25:44):
I kiss it.

Speaker 13 (25:45):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Is that chart saved my life. I looked at the right.
If I didn't look to the right, I wouldn't be
here with you today. I guarantee you that.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yesterday he said, John d you're thinking of moving some
of the production to Mexico. He said of John Dea
moved to Mexico, and I put a two hundred percent tariffon,
just like that instant policy. But the funny thing was,
yesterday I was reading some analysis and here's what makes
this race so interesting. CNN no Less said, when he's
cogent and he argues on the economy, which that wasn't

(26:16):
an example of. But when he's cogent and he argues
on the economy, he's winning. And when CNN can see
that a lot more people.

Speaker 20 (26:25):
Today he said he was going to ban sale steel
sales to Japan, whereas yesterday he was saying he was
going to revitalize US, the US steel industry.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
Which is it?

Speaker 3 (26:35):
When I quote CNN, the words were, when he's cogent,
he cuts through nine away from seven.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
The misty breakfast with the Jaguar, FP News talks ND.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
We need to know if Winston consulted the act Party
about the sausages. It's very good that was a small
space yesterday. The fairies. This seems to be a little
bit of angst in the coalition, the UN resolution, the
sens be the same thing. By the way, Brett Faber
a moment ago in front of one congressional committee Senate
was grilling the people who make Noba Nordisk, people who

(27:09):
make Wigobe in a zempic. Beronnie Sanders runs that particular committee.
The reason I mentioned this is that you can't get
that stuff here, which you should be able to, of course,
but he was arguing, and I'm assuming it highlights just
how dysfunctional the American health system is. That Novo Nordisk
pulled fifty billion dollars of sales of these drugs globally
last year. Most of it came from the States. He's

(27:31):
arguing it costs a grand a month, and in fact,
if you're on we Gooby, it costs thirteen hundred dollars
a month in the US, and yet for under one
hundred dollars you can get it in most of Europe
a zemp it costs fifty nine dollars a month in Germany,
ninety two dollars in the UK. I'm assuming it's got
something to do with government and how the government doesn't
support those sort of things in America. Hence you say
the wall prince five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
For the ins and the ouse.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
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Speaker 3 (28:01):
Well, this is fun. We've got an insight into our mood.
Seek I have come to the party, and what a
party it is. As it turns out, this is their
first workplace Happiness index. And this goes against everything you hear.

Speaker 11 (28:12):
In the media.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Sixty two percent of us are perfectly happy at work.
Sixty two percent of us the vast majority gen Z
though you know gen Z. That's right, they're the most
unhappy gen Z. There's only fifty two percent are happy.
Millennials fifty four, Gen X sixty nine, Boomers seventy six.
You won't find a miserable boomer. They ain't no such
thing as a miserable boomer. Bruss, you're happy. Among all

(28:35):
the workers in the survey, the biggest impacts on happiness
are the purpose at work, day to day responsibilities, company culture, salary,
and stress levels. We don't factor in company success. Interestingly,
a commitment to ESG our colleagues are location or flexible
working arrangements. What's ESG No the environment, how good. Your

(28:58):
company is for the environment. I'm a gen xy. You
know why I'm happy. I can't never rats ass about
the environment and what the company's doing about it, because
I'm getting on with life. Where are they unhappy? Gen Z?
What do we got? They say, salary? I want more money.
That's the biggest thing that defines their happiness. Forty two
percent or unhappy withreer career progression. It's because they arrive

(29:19):
on a Monday. I want to be the boss by Wednesday.
Seventy two percent of us are happy. So we are
motivated to go above and beyond. That's what I say
every day to Jason, isn't it kay? And I say
I want to go above and beyond.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Jason comes and he goes, man, you win a bit
beyond today.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Exactly, That's what he always says. He goes a bit
loose today, isn't he? It's in fact, actually I'm going
to he goes for rupy today.

Speaker 20 (29:39):
Imagine if they tickle the lawyers out of those stats,
and how could that be?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Exactly? Eighty four percent of those unhappy say they think
about changing jobs often. It's a funny story. I'll get
to it later on Go I quit Breakfast Television in
Australia yesterday and his comments are interesting and I think
it's what you bring to work that's the key to
your success or otherwise speaking of work, Andrew Costa next.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
The newsmakers and the personalities, the big names. Talk to
Mike Costing Breakfast with Veda, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way, News.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
To seven past seven are quite possibly our most high
profile police commissioners. Leaving his job early, having already indicated
he wasn't seeking a second term, he will head to
the Public Service Commissioner Secretary of Social Investment, Andrew Costa
is with us.

Speaker 11 (30:22):
Good morning, Good morning mate.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
What are your observations of the politics of being a
police commissioner as you exit this particular role.

Speaker 21 (30:32):
I think it's been a really interesting time. I don't
know that this is unique to New Zealand, but it
seems that place has been a lot more in the
of the politics, not by intention, but uh really law
and order focused election and we got very drawn there.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
What are your observations on the ability? What has interested
me about you most of all is your seeming, I guess,
and I go back to the words of the Prime
Minister yesterday which were very flattering your ability to serve
the government of the day. In other words, you might
or might not have been doing what you wanted to do,
but you were under instruction. Is that fair or not?

Speaker 21 (31:09):
Well, it is our job to serve the government of
the day. We're operationally independence, but that doesn't mean entirely independent,
and we respond to the government's priorities. And that's exactly
what we've done with this new government. And you know,
in the end that's the job of every public servant.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
But have you've seen the contrast, say, from the public's
point of view on what for one government you seem
soft on another government you seemed harder. Is that fair?

Speaker 21 (31:35):
Well, I definitely accept that that perception is there, and
we have pivoted to respond to a new government's priorities.
If you look at the everyday work of police officers
we're talking about, you know, the tenth percent of the margins,
the ninety percent remains pretty consistent year and year out.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
The COVID period. If it had never happened, how different
do you reckon it would be?

Speaker 11 (32:01):
Oh? Hugely.

Speaker 21 (32:03):
COVID has fundamentally changed what police are dealing with every day.
People are more polarized and more angry kids have been
disrupted in their schooling. That plays through and to their offending.
I know COVID can and has been used as an excuse,
but it has a really long tail and we're still
dealing with it.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
How long do you reckon that tail is.

Speaker 21 (32:26):
Well, we've still got the economic impacts of it, so
that plays through and pressure on families and family violence
and even retail crime for example. I would hope that
would turn a corner, but I think it's with the
economy turns corner that you start to see that really
plays through in terms of some different results and intents
of crime.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
And given all of that, what's your advice to people
who think that policing as a career is a good idea?

Speaker 21 (32:53):
I think it's a career is a great idea. It
has been a truly outstanding career for me. I've done
so many different things through the course of it. It's
a great set of people doing outstanding work in the community.
I couldn't recommend it more. Whether you want to be
the commissioner, well the question, but it's a great job.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
What a social investment and how will it manifest itself
under your watch?

Speaker 21 (33:20):
I see social investment as at the other end of
the spectrum from where places we spend a lot of
time at the bottom of the cliffs of social failure.
Social investments trying to change the settings at the top
end to get better outcomes in the community. It really
means looking across all of the social spend there's about
seventy billion dollars and understanding how that can be applied

(33:43):
better to get better results.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
All right, appreciate your time. I'm sure we'll talk again.
Andrew Costa police sell outgoing police commissioner run ten minutes
past seven last making Ginny both worked with them. Of course,
we'll get their views after eight o'clock this morning. And
from reading yesterday, there's a couple of hot favorites for
the next commissioner. But we'll work you through that process,
as I say later on in the program. Now, internationally,
once again the spectrum of the so called all out
war in the Middle East, tensions heightened. The Israeli strike

(34:06):
to continue overnight in his BLA, of course, or against
his BLA. And Lebanon journalist and analyst Gideon Levy back
with us. Morning.

Speaker 11 (34:12):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
What's your sense of whether this is a specific escalation
that will peter out in time, or something bigger.

Speaker 22 (34:19):
I'm afraid it's something bigger, because I don't see anything
stopping it. There's no incentive, there is no mediator, there
is no leadership, and I don't see how will it stop.
Israel insist on its own conditions. Isabella seems to be
ready to sacrifice, and we are stuck in another bloodbath.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
So as regards resource and intent from the Israeli side,
are they being worn down by fighting on all these
different fronts now or not?

Speaker 11 (34:51):
Until now?

Speaker 22 (34:52):
It's working? The big big question is now, if it's
the Northern front, will get into a.

Speaker 11 (34:59):
Ground of.

Speaker 22 (35:01):
This might be too big and too complicated to have
two ground operations in two fronts, with a quite exhausted army,
with the people who is quite lost and demoralized, with
the international status of Fasuel, which is rather closer to

(35:23):
a pariah state than anything else. This might be very
very hard. As long as it's only those air strikes,
a Israel can handle it easily.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah, you writes two very good points. One the international support.
What's your assessment of where that's at and how long
it goes for and how enthusiastic. It remains.

Speaker 22 (35:44):
Let's be very clear when we talk about international support,
it's first of all the United States above all, because
it's not only because the United States is the biggest
supplier of as well, but the United States has also
its influence on Europe, on your country, and Australia on

(36:05):
many other countries.

Speaker 11 (36:06):
So it's all about the United States.

Speaker 22 (36:09):
And the United States until now play the very strange
game on one hand asking Israel, calling Israel to put
an end to the war, including the speech of President
Biden just yesterday in the Assembly, and in the same time,
the United States is applying Israel in an unconditioned way,

(36:31):
an almost unlimited way with weapons and demolition. As long
as this continues, Israel has a card blanche to continue
the war, no matter if there are demonstrations against Israel
or they are not. The question is if the American
administration will turn from talkings to actions, and this does

(36:53):
not seem soon, especially in a campaign and an election campaign.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Right, We'll stay in touch. Getting a press out at
Gideon and Levey out of from Israel this morning, fourteen
minutes past seven past comes off and my thoughts on
cost a difficult role in difficult times. You can't knock
his commitment to the profession great into view questions. Thank
you very much, Mike. The damaged Coster are allowed to
happen with the acceptance of the entitlement some sectors of
society believe they had. We'll take generations to unpick Mike.
Andrew cost is just another victim left bobbing in the

(37:19):
wake of battleship destroyer hms A deern. Yeah, more to
say on that after what I did find interesting yesterday.
He was a fusive lux and was effusive and once
again got arced up with the media, which I think
in to defend the media just briefly they did. I mean,
there's a lot of people who criticized, including myself criticized Cost.
But what I've never really understood, and I maybe it's

(37:41):
just I'm not that sort of person, is how you
can be one person to somebody and somebody completely different
to somebody else. Because in a job of being the
police commissioner and having that many years experience, you must
know what works and what doesn't. And when somebody comes
to you and goes, hey, I want to try this,
in your heart that it's not going to work, and

(38:02):
you still hang out in the job and deliberate each day,
and that's it's the weirdest thing. You go home at
the end of the day and you go, how is
your day? Well, there's another crap day because I'm being
instructed to do the wrong thing by idiots that don't
know what they're doing. And then you go back next.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Day for more.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
How do you explain that?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Fifteen past seven, The High Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (38:23):
Talks at b Supermarket's facial recognition trial seems to have
been a successful crunch down on that. After seven thirty
men Time eighteen past seven. Bit of tech speaking of
tech to make life easier, this time on the farm
got a new drone with a bit of AI technology
makes counting stock easier. Apparently they call it skycount project.
Stephen Gerrin is PGG Rights and CEO, and he's with

(38:44):
a Stephen Morning not at all. So you're involved or
your companies involved in this? So is this an expansion
into tech for your company? So it's more than gum
boots and feed or what we've.

Speaker 19 (38:56):
Always been a bit more than gum boots and feeders.
As time has developed Mike, but this is a new
innovation for us because we previously our innovation was around
online training for our livestock and our application. But this
is a new piece of kit for us, and we've
developed an apartment within the and Microsoft. So we're really

(39:17):
pleased to launch it to the market. At the field
days and.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
How much drone and how much AI.

Speaker 19 (39:24):
The drone does the initial count, so we're using high
definition cameras there. We've tried a number of technologies but
infra red doesn't seem to do the work. You can't
really distinguish between sometimes between a tractor sitting in a
field and a water trough, et cetera, versus the sheep,
and that's quite important for the farm and they don't
want to count the sheep, not the tractors. So we've
we take the fly the drone across the paddock. You've

(39:48):
got to be very conscious about a lot disturbing the
animals and that's really what this is about, making not
interrupting the workflow what's going on on farm. And then
the drone comes back to base and then we run
it through a scanner AI kit. It as counted as
it goes, but we do have to verify some things

(40:08):
because the AI is still learning technology.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
There was my next question, where do you recognize that
right here, right now versus where it might be next
year or the year after.

Speaker 19 (40:18):
In terms of this, we're getting up to ninety seven
percent accuracy in the first passes.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
We getting up.

Speaker 19 (40:25):
We're climbing up to ninety nine in some areas. But
sheep seem to be a bit harder because they tend
to hide and scrub and so forth. So but dairy
cattle we can get really close to one hundred percent accuracy,
you know, ninety nine percent plus right now. So that's
that you question about a year's time. Will advance even

(40:45):
further beyond that as we do more more runs across
farms plicular in the hill country areas.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Fantastic. We'll stay in touch on it. Well done, Stephen Garan,
who is worth PGG writings, need to have a word
about Tory in a moment.

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to so well. What I think is the fourth time
in a week we've heard from Tory Farnow, which is
a problem in itself because in the third interview or
possibly the fourth, she was given as she reveals that

(42:11):
originally she thought MIAs flew below the radar, so in
her ongoing quest not to fly below the radar. She
also reveals and possibly fourth interview, that the advice she
has been getting about all the trouble she's found herself
in has come from her friends, many of whom worked
for Are you ready for it? Just Cinda a dern
say no more now. The original interview was with z B.

(42:36):
That was her I sold my car interview. Her next
interview was with Stuff that was the Stuff interview, Stuff
claiming it was an exclusive despite the fact it wasn't
and we knew it wasn't because they asked about her
car and they couldn't have known about the car without
the ZB interview, which was, as far as I can tell,
not an exclusive either, because she does a fairly regulus
loot on z B and Wellington. The third interview was

(42:56):
on the Telly, where she confessed the sold car story
was in fact made up but taken out of context,
despite the fact she had raised it or by herself
having done the Telly. She seems to have wandered off
and done a podcast, which is where she raised the
fact she had done the tally but the telly hadn't
gone so well. The podcast and the telly, by the way,
were at no times claimed to be exclusives, but she

(43:18):
did raise the bit where she seems to get her
advice from Jessinda's mates. Of course, much earlier than this,
she should have stopped digging and basically tried to get
back down below the radar, because I'm not sure if
Jinda's friends have told her this, but she's making a
spectacular dick of herself and dragging the city's reputation down
with her. Now it's a very very good lesson and

(43:39):
why some people simply are not suited for one public
life and two leadership. Now, without being too unkind, it
would appear she struggles to run her own life far
less the whole city's. And she's also has that suspect
skill in choosing friends. Clearly, So four interviews down, we
now know more about Tory than anyone ever would have wanted,
and I'm not sure even stuff now would want to

(43:59):
follow up to call it another exclusive. And if we
have learned anything it's that it's not hard to see
why the capital is in the state it's in. It's
not hard to sympathize whether fellow councilor is either. Must
be a nightmare dealing with this. And if the central
government woke up today and decided that Diane Kelviot was
right and an administrator might be a good idea, I
don't know how many people would be left objecting to

(44:21):
that asking. It's called a crazy train, Mike. Keep your
head down, do as you're told, be totally ineffective. Do
you reckon? Is that how you want to live your life?
It's called a job, Mike. Those of us that have
them are often faced with that dilemma. But sometimes choosing
not to do it is just too costly, so we
just suck it up. Tony, You're happy living that way.
Recost's ability to serve two apparently opposite approaches, Mike. The

(44:44):
word that you're looking for is duplicitous, Mike, recost her,
how do you explain it? It's called be an as
Kesser ask Glenn, Mike, how costs help with it?

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Or did I not say exactly that?

Speaker 3 (44:57):
It's exactly what he said, alf Heir, I said, yeah,
I have to be mate. If you're not loving every minute,
bugger off or words to that effect. Anyway, facial recognition,
you go into the supermarket. They've been trying this out.
Apparently it works. We don't have the final report. Tell
you what we do have the final report on today
is the pylon, the transpower pylon. Final report comes out today.
Here's my prediction. It will say something like numb things

(45:20):
went along and unscrewed too many bolts. Do you want
to take a bet on that or not? News for
you in the next then then we'll get back to
the supermarket. There are news talks Edbek.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
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News Talks EDB Big Week four. Zelensky and America is
just wrapped up at the UN.

Speaker 17 (45:42):
We have to prepare the second piece simmit to end
the war all together. And I invite all of you,
all principal Nieans, to join us in this process, all
who truly respect the UN Charter. We invite China, We
InVID Brazil, I have already invited. We are working with
African Nizis, with all of Latin America, Middle East, Central Asia, Europe,

(46:06):
the Pacific region, North America, all all are equally important
for this all without acceptions.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
You're saying, as English has incrouved market in the last
couple of years. Hasn't it used to work really hard
on the English but now it seems almost fluent as
lensk get the U in a couple of moments ago,
twenty three minutes away from eight food stuff six months
facial recognition trial seems to have got the TIC. The
early indication suggests one hundred and thirty events like assault
and verbal abuse have been avoided. They are standing by

(46:38):
for a final report. But food Stuff's North Ireland General
Counsel Julian Benfield, well, there's Julian morning to you.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Morning Mike.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
What have you got? I mean when we say the
final report, what have you got in front of you?
And how much more is coming in a final report
that may or may not change anything.

Speaker 23 (46:53):
Yes, as you say, our trial has come to an
end and so this trial of facial recognition technology in
twenty five stores was all about helping to keep our
people safe. We've got a draft report from our independent evaluator,
so that's an evaluator that we appointed based on the
advice of the Privacy Commission. The early results from them
are strong. It's showing seventeen hundred and forty seven actual

(47:13):
matches of repeat offenders. And as you have said, the
early results show that we've avoided serious incidents one hundred
and thirty serious incidents, so that's things like assult and
verable abuse.

Speaker 19 (47:23):
The safety of.

Speaker 23 (47:24):
Our team is a top priority, so avoiding around one
hundred and thirty serious incidents is huge. That's one hundred
and thirty times that our team membersign in harms way
or attacked or abused. And we've also said that our
customers are very supportive of what we're doing. We are
based on that draft report. We're continuing to use facial
recognition technology in the meantime while we wait for that
final report from an independent evaluator. But they have said

(47:47):
to us that they don't expect the findings to materially
change between draft report and final report.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
So do you how do you know it was avoided
if it didn't happen, How literally does that unfold?

Speaker 23 (47:56):
So we've got our independent evaluator that that factors come
from the end of one hundred and thirty incidents that
are avoided has come from independent evaluator Scalety, who's a
respected research and evaluation firm. What they've looked at is
harmful behavior data at the twenty five trial stores and
compared that against the non trial stores. They've looked at
the direct defect of facial recognition, so the evidence that

(48:16):
it's actually detected offenders in store, as well as the
deterrent effect which has been real, so offenders choosing not
to come to the store at all because they think
that the technology will detect them.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Good bang for buck scenario, the technology to put it in,
how many you may or may not avoid, et cetera
versus the cost of you what does it work? Does
it add up well?

Speaker 23 (48:38):
I mean, these early results absolutely show that it's been
a success. You know, we've seen some serious and seat
of incidents avoided, minimal privacy impact based on early findings
and customers support. In terms of the cost, we don't
have a fixed budget tack or retail crime. We can't
put a price on the safety of our team and customers.
So also been what we need to do to address
such an important issue.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Is it could be I mean, you might be in
the wrong department. Do you have a vibe that we
were talking to Andrew cost Of the police commissioner before.
This is all post COVID and we're all angsty and
angry and furious and cost of living and all that
sort of stuff. Is it possible this thing will solve
itself to a degree.

Speaker 23 (49:14):
Well, we think we need to do more, and that's
why we've been raising attention to the retail crime issue
two US so years now. We've seen massive increases in
retail crime during that period. It is fair to say
that there has been an increase in aggression in our
stores since the COVID area. But our experts tell us
that it's not cost of living that is causing this issue.

(49:34):
Our security experts tell us it's professional criminals targeting brand
specific goods and links to organized crime, and not linked
to cost of living. And to be honest, no violence
or aggression in our stores is acceptable. You know, all
of our store teams deserve to return home safe every day.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Those social media videos that I used to watch where
the guy would literally walk through barefoot normally, grab a
can of beers and a side of beef and then
just walk out. But as the security guard watched them
do that does that still happen And if it does regularly, I.

Speaker 23 (50:06):
Mean it happens all the time. We've reported on our incidents,
and while they're slightly down this quarter, there are a
huge number of incidents that come through. And you know,
our trials focused on repeat offenders and in the last quarter,
thirty eight percent of all offenses were caused by repeat offenders.
So this facial recognition technology helps us to identify the
defenders before they come into the store. And it's one

(50:28):
of the most productive technologies that we can find because
if you catch the offender earlier on in the store journey,
they tend to be less aggressive when they are approached.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Good conspiracy text, Mike, how many false positives? And how
do we know they aren't using the data of the
additional surveillance and shopper tracking.

Speaker 23 (50:45):
Yeah, well on the second point, absolutely not this. We've
been very clear and transparent to New Zealand about the
fact that this is solely about retail crime and it
is solely about keep targeting repeat offenders and stopping them
from doing more harm. That is all it's about, not
about anything else. That is the sole focus of our trial.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
All right, Julian appreciated very much. Julian Benefield, who is
with Foodstuffs in North Ireland. Their General Council eighteen minutes
away from Eightsky go to the nation asb do their
Regional Economic school Board. I always find it fascinating they
look at annual growth if there is any employment, building,
consents and retail sales. And we've got some really stark movements,

(51:24):
like things have fallen off a cliff in some places
and they've gone gangbusters and others. Now the biggest region
in the country is Gisbon or the most successful region
in the country. The most prosperous region in the country
is Gismon. There up a couple a lot of building
going on that particular part of the world. The worst
region in the country, actually, I tell you the worst
region in the country in the moment. Seventeen to two.

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Speaker 3 (51:53):
Mike Morning. People aren't going back to the office in
Wellington motorways full of damn cars Again, Well, I suppose
that's good, isn't it. So the worst region in the country, unfortunately,
and you were the worst last time. So this will
come as no shock. Is Nelson, poor old Nelson. I
mean Nelson you look at so much about Nelson is wonderful,
and yet you're the least productive or least prosperous region

(52:14):
in the country. Marlborough's down at fourteenth. Not only are
they down fourteenth, equal Wellington. See Wellington. You can explain
it if I say, hey, do you reckon? Wellington's doing
well the A and R reckon they're about fourteenth out
of sixteen in the country. You can explain it. Marlborough
has fallen eleven places, so something dramatic has gone wrong
in Marlborough. So the West coast is steady, still struggling
a bit. The Bay of Plenty, which once upon a

(52:36):
time we wanted to move to the Bay Plenty about
a year ago when things were really going gangbusters. But
your a bunch of losers. Now you're down seventh. Wouldn't
touch you with a barge pole. Taranaki Auckland down. Auckland's miserable.
So their ninth in the country. And that's the engine
room of the economy. So you've got to worry about that.
Mane of or two loong and evy, what's going on here.
What's going on? Eight up? Eight up? Eight to seventh?

(52:58):
I mean something profound has happened to one were too
long and we let me know what that is? Hawk's
Bay through the roof again. We wanted to go to
the bay. Saw a beautiful apartment advertised at the moment
in Napier are ho Reary down by the port? Would
you if you moved to Hawk's Bay by an apartment?
An apartment seemed an odd thing to buy in Hawks Bay?

Speaker 5 (53:19):
Are we talking like high?

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Yeah? No, I know where you're asking about three or
four stories? Yeah, I no, you wouldn't do that. This
was the penthouse too. It's very nice, beautiful views, magnificent views.
But I thought the same thing. I thought to myself,
but might just.

Speaker 13 (53:31):
A long ago?

Speaker 3 (53:31):
How long are you gonna hold them to?

Speaker 11 (53:34):
You know?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
There was the thirties, For God's.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
Sake, some scars run, that's true.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Northland up up a little bit? Why Katto up? Canterbury up?
Canterbury is always up but number one of the country's gisman,
followed by a target, a tiger A city. So good
on you now listen just briefly, guy, yesterday in Australia,
does breakfast television for the ABC. One of the guys
who hosted the ABC's Ago we have on the program periodically,
Michael Roland. Nice guy anyways is a guy read his sports,

(53:58):
guy called Tony Armstrong. Only Armstrong sort of came out
of nowhere three or four years ago. They thought he
was quite cool. They hired and he reads the sport.
Three and a half years in, he's quit. And this
is what this is everything that's wrong with the media
these days. It's not hard to be successful. And I'm
a living, breathing example that all you gotta do is
turn up. You don't have to be that good. I'm
not that good. I'm not that brilliant, I'm not that exceptional.

(54:19):
All I do is turn up every morning. And I've
been doing it for a long time. And after a while,
you going, ah, good old Mike. You don't like me
any more than you used to like me, but you go,
good old Mike. At least he turns up. This guy,
Tony Armstrong, he was in the job for three and
a half years. I mean, for God's sake, three and
a half years. Any quote unquote feels like a zombie.

(54:40):
Oh it's the early morning EWS oh, really gets to
you after a while. I mean, what's the matter with you?
And if you don't believe me after sixteen years, look
at Glenn. Glenn's been here for forty seven years, getting
up in the early hours of the morning since just
after the war, and every morning and no one likes Glenn,
but we gore.

Speaker 13 (54:57):
Good old Glenn.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
He's still turning up every morning. And that's the key
to success. So all of these people in media these
days who think they've been serving the long time for
three and a half years or four, who's been on
the job for six years, now, that's not a thing.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
It's like a familiar smell, isn't it. It doesn't have
to be a nice smell.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
But okay, I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Talking about me specifically, then maybe I am, But.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
I mean it's what happened to people who actually want
to come to work and enjoy what they do. And
the hours aren't really the out I mean, who cares
what the hours are? And you don't have to three
and a half years them if you zombie, so I'll
have to quit. Then what's he going to do? The
working for the ABC? Immediately they said that, fine of
another job, But that's you know, just what happened to
a bit of stoicism, a bit of determination, a bit

(55:41):
of professionalism, a bit of consistency, a bit of loyalty,
a bit of get off your ars and do something
half decent fit. That's It's how you get enjoyment. It's
how Mike sees it. Turn Away Frost, Breakfast with Baile's
real estate news talks, they'd be given away from It
turns out we're not drinking milk the way we used to.
We had one point two million fewer glasses last year.

(56:04):
That's five point six million liters less over the last
couple of decades. Obviously there's some nutritional fallout from that.
I guess ABC Nutritions. Angela beryls well, this's Angela.

Speaker 24 (56:12):
Morning, Good morning, Mike, show you.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
I'm very well, indeed take you. So we've got fewer
people drinking less milk, but that doesn't tell us why
do we know why?

Speaker 24 (56:23):
Well, look, Fonterra Brand's actually conducted some research earlier this
year and it's down to a few different reasons. There's
a changing demographic makeup of New Zealand, which isn't favoring
milk consumption. There's a dominance in processed foods, including the
likes of fuzzy drinks which are now dominating our supermarket shelves.
Is the trend in plant based milk alternatives. Also these

(56:45):
awareness issues and consumers are not necessarily understanding the benefits
of milk, but also they might not be aware of
the very broad range of milk products available. So for example,
Angor has a zero electo products that's souitable for those
that are lactose intolerant. There's quite a broad range of
products available there as well.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
So what is this about? Is it about people drinking
less milk and who cares? It's just a bottom line
business thing. Or is it if we drink less milk
there are consequences health wise down the track and we
don't quite know what they are.

Speaker 24 (57:17):
And I think this is exactly it's Mike. We know that,
you know, drinking milk it provides us with a fast
ray of nutrients. So it's a really nutrient packed whole food.
It contains you know, protein, you calcium, but also the
likes of vitamin's aa B, two B to ol, phosphorus,
SM and zinc as well. So what we know is
that we need calcium especially during those early years up

(57:39):
until about the mid twenties, to help build our peak
bone mass or peak bone density. So what we estimate
is that if people are actually reducing their say dairy
or milk intake, and they're not getting that calcium from
other sources, then we may be looking at an increased
risk of say, osteoporosis and bone fracture down in those
later years when these young children or younger adults are

(58:02):
becoming older adults. So it might not be for another
fifty or so years before we actually start to see
the impact of this declining milk consumption.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Is the intolerance you see in my lifetime. Everything's changed.
Chocolate's now good for you, or dark chocolates, coffees apparently
now good for you. What was bad is now good,
what was good is now bad. Is milk suffering some
of that as well or not?

Speaker 24 (58:23):
I think there's been a lot of misinformation around. I mean,
you only have to look on you know, some of
your streaming TV documentaries that can be incredibly biased and
don't necessarily provide you with accurate nutrition information. And I
think also everyone seems to be an expert in nutrition
these days that people really need to turn to registered

(58:44):
dietitians for nutrition advice, and we can help you and
Ie both pinpoint what's going to be correct for someone's
health and bust a lot of those muths as well.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Again toel appreciate Angela Burrell Well Beryl Nutritionists. Four minutes
away from asking Mike none, it's too steady. We don't
get the highs or the lows. Would you like me
to get the mayor Grant Smith to give you a call? No, No,
I'll pass on that, thanks, Mike. Drugs is the downfall
of Nelson's Stokes all rentals in the unemployed. Excellent insight,

(59:16):
Either that or a gross generalization one or the other.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
I thought it was going to be about sandwich boards.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Well it could be the sandwich boards as well the
drugs misd.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
I really turn a corner now that they've ban those
sandwiches and.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
The sandwich boards. Nelson banning sandwich boards since nineteen ninety nine.
That's how you do it, Mike. We loved Glenn. You see,
I've told you what happens was you came home from
the war, you turned on well it was transistor back then,
wasn't it turned on the transistor? And that was Glenn.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
Yeah, put the baker light earpiece in the air.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Exactly, just got to hang around a one news for
you in a couple of moments. Then as Politics Wednesday,
Ginny Anderson, Mark Mitchell exclusive to the Mike Hosking Breakfast
could because no one else wants them, but I'm a.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Todd Stead b.

Speaker 11 (01:00:08):
I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Is it must be the AFL final she's doing this weekend.
This is Katie Perry and something's happened to her and
I can't quite work out what it is. And she's
once upon a time she was almost as big as
a big thing, and then it's all seemingly gone wrong
and she's never been able to recover. And she looks
a bit I don't know why. She looks a little

(01:00:30):
bit tragically days, but sad but needy. Whatever it is anyway,
the review says, seemingly learning nothing from those past miss steps,
the miss steps of the various albums she's produced seventeen
to Witness, twenty twenty, Smile, teenage dream, Perry wanders even
further off path with this lifeless, floundering makeup of one

(01:00:50):
four three, which is the name of the album. One
fourth three is the name of the album. And because
the boss was in here, this gives you an boss,
was it? What do you call me? He says, loose,
very loose today? Didn't he didn't? He just said very
very loose.

Speaker 25 (01:01:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
We predicted he was going to come in and say
you were beyond.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Near some like that. And so because of all of that,
which I think is workplaced bullying, it is close enough
and work placed bauling to want to do something about him.

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
We might have to force him out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
You might have to force me to be cool. Two
day Time eleven tracks. All of them sound like this.
Am I right? Because I haven't heard it, any of
them apart from this one, but they all sound like this.
We only interviewed her once. Do you reckon the chance
of interviewing a DNA?

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
Slim and now that you've said all that stuff, slim
to none.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Eight minutes past eight, Ginny Anderson is with us along
with Mike Mitchell. Good morning to both of you too.
Good morning now, Jinny.

Speaker 26 (01:01:41):
I'm still in shock. I'm stilling shocked that you actually
played Katie Perry was coming to temper.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
It's a bit much, isn't it. We try and be
a bit hip and groovy every now and again, Jinny,
just to go for the younger demo. Anyway, Now, what
were you meaning in your press release here? Sometimes tense
relationship between Costa and Mitchell. It was always going to
be hard for a dog handler and a detective to

(01:02:08):
see I to eye on these big overarching strategic issues.
Now what what What sort of knife were you pulling
out of your sheet there and stabbing it into his back?

Speaker 26 (01:02:17):
I think another at all. I just think that they
came to the job front perspectives and that came out
pretty clear right from the start.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Okay, what were your thoughts your thoughts on.

Speaker 27 (01:02:29):
Well, firstly, that was a clear swipe again, Claus, it
didn't he Anderson making it personal clear swipe the dogs?
What correspondent, Well, you can explain it to Jenny Butt
And now that the correspondence off there on the dog
section is hilarious. They think that it's very funny that
an ex civilian worker from P and HQ is having
a swipe at the dog section are actually out there

(01:02:50):
doing it. And by the way, Jenny, if if I'm
going to talk about public service, I'll tell you what
I'll measure you up against sergeants. So Burrogs the OC
of the woman we dog section that said, who I
was with last week we actually doing the hard yards
and doesn't really appreciate. I don't think the dogs section
really appreciate being criticized for the work that they're out

(01:03:11):
there doing. And by the way, the other thing that's
really puzzling about this whole thing, Mike, is that I'm
pretty sure Ginny Nson married an ex police dog handler.

Speaker 14 (01:03:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:03:20):
Well, it just goes to the point, Mike, doesn't it
that I wasn't then critical at all of the dog section.
My point was they had different operational perspectives and a
mark so sensitive that he takes that to heart and
I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
So well.

Speaker 27 (01:03:34):
It was an unnecessary personal swape, Jinny, and you've got
a habit of doing those. I just say, just beg
it down a little bit, doesn't.

Speaker 26 (01:03:42):
He I'm sorry that you're sensiti and I don't want
to hurt your feelings.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Eight what Jenny, your thoughts, your thoughts on cost He's a.

Speaker 26 (01:03:51):
Great guy like he's intelligent. He worked incredibly hard, and
I worked alongside of him when I was in police
when he was an assistant commissioner and irate him. I
think he's a good person who did a great job,
and he went above and beyond to do everything he could,
and he had some really challenging things.

Speaker 15 (01:04:07):
To deal with.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Was one of them your government.

Speaker 26 (01:04:10):
One of them was a protest, for sure, and I
think his comments around COVID and what that did a
society and what that did to crime in New Zealand
was one of the big things that he had to
grapple with.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
The interesting thing that he said yesterday his most defining moment,
or his proudest moment, was where they cleared that protest out.
My argument would be he should never have let the
protests get to where it did in the first place.

Speaker 26 (01:04:33):
It's really difficult in hindsight to see operationally what could
have been done better. I've heard comments from police that
when that big dove came in, that big reign that
really made an impact on the tense, that that was
an opportunity that could have been used. I mean, in hindsight,
this twenty twenty vision of what could have been done better.
But I think whatever happens, both parliament, MP's and the

(01:04:54):
police all lined a lot from how we could do
things better next time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Mark, is it fair to suggest, in particular ularly Luckson's
comments yesterday as well as yours, that you've either changed
your mind or you're so glad he's leaving that you
couldn't help yourself but being nice, because what you did
say and what you said yesterday are two completely different things.

Speaker 27 (01:05:12):
No. I think in opposition was very clear that I
didn't agree the direction on which the government was taking
us as in terms of their policies in public safety
rapidly as the Commissioners set himself he's got to serve
the government of today. That is difficult, but I would
say that as the incoming government, and as I released
my very clear leader of expectation, which I released publicly

(01:05:33):
so that old country could see, he's responded to that
and without a doubt, and he's put a shoulder to
the wheel, and like you said himself, were starting to
see some good early results from them. We've got a
long way to go, it's a lot more to do,
but you know, there's definitely been a response.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Okay, Ginny Richard Chambers and is it Jabon Jevon mix
skimmyn Ginny you know those two, Yes, they would they
make good commissioners, either of them.

Speaker 24 (01:05:57):
There great.

Speaker 15 (01:05:58):
They're both good, good police officers who.

Speaker 26 (01:06:00):
Have done many years of operational police service in the organization.
Very while different to the skills, but they're both great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Mark.

Speaker 27 (01:06:08):
Yeah, look, I agree as I've worked very closely obviously
with Jiven and my roles Minister. I don't know Richards
as well, but he's also got a very big reputation
in a lot of experience, and you don't get to
be an assistant commission or a deputy commissioner without having met.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
And so they will present you with a couple of options.
You and the Prime Minister will make the choice. As
my understanding you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 27 (01:06:31):
So it goes to a panel. Now the Public Service
Commission runs that process. They'll come with recommendation to myself
which I then take to the Prime Minister and ultimately
the Prime Minister and I make the decision on who
will be appointed as our next police commissioner.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Fantastic brief break, talk about four year terms in the moment,
Jimmy and Jinny Anderson and Mark Mentell thirteen Past.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
It'd be you talking to make sixteen Past Day Politics Wednesday,
Mark Mitchell gy Ginny. Do you have a view on
four year terms or not?

Speaker 26 (01:07:03):
Well, my recollection is I have for my sins a
week for Judith Colins. When I was in police, she
was minister and that was when National Foods came in
in two thousand and eight and I'd been working previously
as a as a an in the Beehive and you
and what struck me was when you had a new
government coming in, it took them a full year to

(01:07:24):
just understand how.

Speaker 15 (01:07:25):
The system worked.

Speaker 26 (01:07:26):
And I'm not being critical at all, it was just
people had never been ministers before coming in trying to
come to terms with it. Then they had about a
year to do stuff and then you had a year
of campaigning.

Speaker 15 (01:07:36):
So, especially when you're a first term.

Speaker 26 (01:07:38):
Government, even harder when you're in a coalition because you've
got three different parties with three different agendas, Trying to
deliver stuff is becoming harder and harder. And so I
think that a four to two year will be a
far better way for Foot New Zealand to progress and
see continuity over time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
What do you recommend, Well, I.

Speaker 27 (01:07:58):
Don't accept for admitt it that truth Colin needed a year.
They can't things done.

Speaker 26 (01:08:03):
They all and I'm not saying labor as well.

Speaker 27 (01:08:09):
There is nonsense that you should you shouldn't be a minister,
you shouldn't be a miss or government.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
I look at you guys, you're a year and now right,
and you've done a lot of stuff, Sime and Brown's
announced more things than he's actually done. I mean that
guy's held more press conferences than he's put through legislation.
And you're still working through a lot of what you
want to do, and you'll need all of this one
year plus you'll need all of next and then at
the end of the next year, presumably you'll go, look
what we've done. Here we go, let's have an election campaign.

Speaker 27 (01:08:40):
The first part is in terms of continuity, and I
think Favor I've sort of moved into four year space
as well in terms of getting things done, though certainly
in my portfolios we're getting things done within six feet
state six state weeks. Changes were starting to take Hick
and I can point to those, So I just don't
exact if if you're seriously saying that you can't give

(01:09:01):
anything done on the twelve months, you've got to have
a look at yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Okay, let me give you a couple of examples. Where
are the fairies.

Speaker 15 (01:09:08):
Think?

Speaker 27 (01:09:09):
Well, the fairies decision that's just that. Well, let me
give you some examples in mind portfolios.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Why are we doing one hundred and twenty on the
roads of national significant significance.

Speaker 27 (01:09:21):
Yet you see more beat officers on the street.

Speaker 11 (01:09:27):
Incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
What I'm saying IS's pointed. I mean, there's a lot
of stuff you haven't done. You've been there a year.

Speaker 27 (01:09:32):
So I'm not saying that or so in it one minute.
What I'm saying is that I don't think the text
parts of this country expect a government to change and
then everyone sit around for twelve months and not doing anything.
There's been an enormous legislation program underway that's now this
loot done in the first eight months of this government.
There had been some big fundamental changes made. We do

(01:09:53):
have a world class public service that will adapt and
start to deliver on that. I just think that to
accept the fact that Judith Collins, CA. Women couldn't do
something into ald months just regristing before. Of course you
could do it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
In conclusion, both of you, both of you would favor
a four year Probably.

Speaker 26 (01:10:10):
You get more time, You get more time to because
it's a crazy rush and you see, you know, things
being done, like, for example, announcements being made just that
sound good or for the face of it without actually
really delivering things. And if you're serious about making long
term change on infrastructure, on important things like transport, you
need a longer period of time to deliver those properly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Okay, would you, Jenny, while I got you work from home,
would you do you broadly agree with what the government's
done or you don't mind?

Speaker 26 (01:10:39):
Well, yeah, it's a bit of a how many hour
wisk from home because we don't know that for sure.
I did find it interesting that the day they don't meet,
but you know they check out child poverty targets. And also,
Nicole McKee, you put stuff through cabinet that loosens up
gun ranges that the stand up and cabinet is all
about making public servants go back to work. So I
think it's politics of distraction, to be honest. But people

(01:11:02):
definitely should go to work. I'm more concerned about the
six thousands who don't have jobs in Wellington, in the
state of the Wellington local economy as a result of that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Marke Well I.

Speaker 27 (01:11:12):
Just thought that, you know, it's at the end of
the day, working from home arrangements that should not be
as entitlement. There should be some flexibility in the system,
but it should be a genuine agreement between the employee
and the employer. I think that there is definitely absolute
value and being in the office, building those relationships, getting
mentoring from more senior colleagues around experience in personal growth.

(01:11:35):
I think there's a whole lot of reasons why, very
good reasons why that connection is really important. And so
you know, and I completely totally support what the Minister's done.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Good stuff go well, We'll see next Wednesday. Mark Mitchell,
Giny Anderson twenty one past eight the make.

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my problem in twong This fluoridation thing fascinates me. I'm
actually a fluoride fan. I like fluoride. I think fluoride
is good for you. I think it should be in
the water. So let's not go down that track. If
you disagree with me. All I'm saying is that there
was needed from the Ministry of Health. It was just
before Ashley quit and moved on, and he basically rounded
up fourteen councils and he told them you got to
go do it. One of those councils was Tawong and

(01:13:22):
they went, well, hold on and this went to court
and interestingly enough, the court said it wasn't legal. So
we've got this sort of the standoff with the court
saying one thing. The Ministry of Health's now appealing that
the High Court decision found the order enforcing the fourteen
councils to fluoridate was unlawful. The Ministry is appealing that.
So Twonger goes, we'll hold on while this is in court.

(01:13:46):
Why don't we ask for a delay because we don't
necessarily want to do it. So the Ministry comes back.
The High Court had twice confirmed the direction. They argue
for councils to fluoridate the water supplies, and that remained valid,
so Tarong's request for an extension is not granted. When
the council is stuck and they go, what do we do? Now?
Personally I'd hold out, but their fear is that under penalty,

(01:14:07):
if you don't do it, then you're potentially going to
be fined up to two hundred thousand dollars and an
additional ten thousand dollars for each and every day of
non compliance. So they freaked out and they're going to
have to do it despite the fact it may well
eventually end up through the courts. The court's saying, well, no,
you can't force these people to fluoridate water at all,
which would then be another discussion about how dysfunctional the

(01:14:28):
whole country is and how come Ashley rounded up fourteen
councils and not all the councils and the whole thing's
are messed. But anyway, that's where Toweronga is at the moment. Hey,
do you know want to know who's miserable? Australia's miserable
because their misery indexes out. So if you're just thinking about,
you know, lobbing over to the Gold Coast because you
hate this place. It's even worse over there, sucked and good. Anyway,
I'll give you the numbers with Murray and a couple

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of moments after the news which is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Next demanding the answers from the decision makers the My
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Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
I'll work you through the fine detail in just a
couple of moments. But it's the big day for Fontier.
A lot of people in this country are not just
the farmers, are looking for the numbers. And the initial
number is the midpoint as now nine dollars ten. It
is the farm gate price. It's up fifty cents. So
the midpoint now is at nine dollars ten. So if
you believe dre in New Zealand eight po six as

(01:15:25):
you break even point on average, so a midpoint of
nine ten, things are on the up and up for Derry.
But more in a moment. Twenty three to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Nine International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business, The.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Turner Murray Olds Morning, Perion, Hello, Michael, good morning now
the RB yesterday and our old friend Michelle, So a hold.
I think most people were expecting a hold, But how
many people And I'm reading a lot of commentary. It's
all negative, and it's it's you know, we're bleeding, and
it's a disaster and all that sort of stuff. Do
many people in Australia that you here say the reason

(01:15:57):
you're holding is because you actually have a level of
liberty and elevation in the economy that deems it necessary
for her to hold and not cut. In other words,
you only cut if you're in deep trouble and you're not.

Speaker 11 (01:16:11):
Well.

Speaker 25 (01:16:11):
It depends which way you look at inflation, and there
are two ways to look at inflation. You've got the
underlying inflation, the headline inflation. The headline inflation rate looks
to be pretty low two point seven percent. We've got
to figures out today. That's what economists are expecting. The
headline rate of inflation will be under three percent today,
and we know the Reserve Bank of Australia says interest

(01:16:32):
rates will not come down until inflation's between two and
three percent. That's the sweet spot. But the RBA does
not look at headline inflation. It strips out things like
government help subsidies to pay energy bills. That's pushing inflation down.
The Reserve Bank realizes that's only a sugarhead. It's a

(01:16:53):
short term stimulus that is dampening inflation because people are
actually getting help to pay the bills.

Speaker 11 (01:17:00):
That's underlying inflation.

Speaker 25 (01:17:02):
That's what they want to strip out, those one off sugarheads.
And Michelle Bullock and the team are saying, listen, it's
not that flash. You've also got something called the Misery Index.
Now I've not heard of this before. I knew you
wanted to talk about it this morning, so I went
digging and the Sydney Morning Herald's going to crack a
yarn on this. Apparently, Well, the Committee for the Economic
Development of Australia has worked out Australians are more economically

(01:17:25):
miserable than they've been ever since, you know, long before COVID,
the COVID, but he drove us into the dumps, as
you know, But since twenty eleven we've never been this
sad sack over here about the economy. The index is
calculated by looking at the rate of inflation.

Speaker 11 (01:17:38):
The unemployment, rate of interest rates.

Speaker 25 (01:17:40):
And Michelle Bullick looks he's trying to steer this path.
So apparently we are very very flat, indeed miserable economically.

Speaker 11 (01:17:49):
Don't forget Australia.

Speaker 25 (01:17:50):
One third has paid off the home, one third is
trying to pay it off, they've got the mortgage, and
one third is renting. And the second report out yesterday
Mike by IPSOS has found levels of misery and satisfaction
very very different. Boomers that would be me have largely
paid off the home. We've got a bit of cash
in the bank. It's the youngsters trying to buy their

(01:18:12):
first time and they are so grumpy and absolutely peeved
off with governments of all descriptions because they can't get
into the home market. It's a mess, it's a hot mess,
and there's lots of moving parts and goodness knows where
it's going to finish.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
So it's funny thing. I read another article the other
day the number of people moving into state has collapsed
because their argument was they can't afford to move into state.
So once upon a time it was all Queensland. Everyone
couldn't wait to get to Queensland fast enough. And if
you weren't going to Queensland, are going to wa But
you can't afford to do that now. Yet I sit
on this side of the Tasman and we literally are
sitting record after record after record of New Zealand is scarpering,

(01:18:47):
mainly to Australia. So it's a funny thing, isn't it.
It's all psychological. It doesn't need to be factual because
factually you're not doing that well. But psychologically many people
sit here and go, tell you what that Australia, what
you know, how good is that? I can't wait to
get there? We ad ah, well, it is.

Speaker 25 (01:19:05):
A bit weird and there are lots of again, lots
of moving parts. I mean, we had a strike yesterday
here in New South Wales by nurses and midwives. Why
because they're getting paid twenty percent more in Queensland. The
state government here, the labor state government in New South Wales,
Australia's biggest state, the biggest economy, says we cannot afford
to pay what they're paying. In Queensland they had ten years,

(01:19:26):
we had ten years of coalition government. Here in New
South Wales, public sector waves rises were capped at two
and a half percent, never mind what inflation was. So nurses, police,
teachers and so on, they're well behind the eight ball.
They are not getting paid as much as they are,
for example in Queensland. So we still have that migration
north out of New South Wales and people are leaving

(01:19:48):
big smoke like Sydney. They're going to live and work
in smaller regional centers because they simply cannot afford to
get started here in Sydney.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
It's too expended, precisely, So why it's the same, I guess, yes,
it's the same here. See, I was funny enough, I
was looking at some places in Queensland the other day houses.
So why if you're a nurse or a policeman and
you earn a bit more in Queensland and your housing's
cheaper in Queensland, and it's sunnier in Queensland, then why
wouldn't you go? I mean, what do you want to
sit in the town Sydney accountable to house? What's the

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point of that?

Speaker 11 (01:20:20):
It's full of bloody Queenslanders.

Speaker 25 (01:20:24):
Look look a cheaper housing, better climate and better wages.

Speaker 11 (01:20:28):
I mean, why wouldn't you go if you've got a
young family?

Speaker 16 (01:20:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Exactly. This rooftop solar panels. The other thing I'm following
very closely because my understanding was once upon a time
in Australia you got your panel on your roof and
then you'd get paid for the power that you gave
the power company the stuff you didn't use. Then that's
swapped and now they charge you because they don't want
the power. Plus the market's collapse because they've got no
customers left because everyone's gone and stuck a panel on
their roof.

Speaker 11 (01:20:53):
Very very much.

Speaker 25 (01:20:53):
So there's new figures out this morning that basically mums
and dads are putting so many panels on their on
their roofs across the country. Four times more electricity generation
through rooftop solar in the first six months of twenty
twenty four than all of the commercial projects combined. That's
down again a bunch of factors. We're desperately trying to

(01:21:17):
upgrade the national electricity grid, the network that takes power
from where it's generated out to where it's needed.

Speaker 11 (01:21:25):
Now that's like I mean, it's you know, like Noah
used it. It's so old.

Speaker 25 (01:21:29):
It just can't cope with the amount of renewables coming online.
That's why energy regulators had to lower the price that
was paying households for you know, all the power they
were generating you've also got a big uptaken batteries. A
good mate of mine here in Sydney he installed a battery,
a big battery on the side of his home to store.

Speaker 11 (01:21:52):
The power that he's generating of his roof. His power bills.

Speaker 25 (01:21:55):
He's paying about eighty cents a week or something for
his power bill's I mean a big investment. He spent
about right, I don't know, forty k Yeah, but and
he's so tight. This guy's from Canada. He is so
tight he makes a Scotsman look positively flush with cash.
He says, you'll pay it off in five six years,
that's how good the savings are going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
That's interesting because the average the average is seven so
in this country it's seventy years and the average turnover
for a house. So if you're one of those people
who you know you're not moving, then it's probably worth
you while because it's a big out working on the roof. Yeah, exactly,
do you see it? Because the other thing I read
in Australia the other day is wealthy suburbs don't have
them because they don't have to. So in other words, no,
it's seeing I mean, you know your bill two or

(01:22:36):
three four hundred dollars a week. What do you care?
Because you've got the dough and you see them more
in regionalized suburbs of places like Sydney because you know
they need the money.

Speaker 11 (01:22:45):
Well, yeah, that's very true.

Speaker 25 (01:22:47):
If you drive through the city's western suburbs, home prices
are more modest than they are saying Hunter's Hill or
you know, the eastern suburbs. Dear boy, we can't have
these rotty solar panels so destroying the skyline and and
four clues.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
You've got that beautiful Italian terra cotta. Why would you
want to stick something really ugly on that?

Speaker 11 (01:23:07):
Because you're saving money. But as you say, you don't
need it in Double Bay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
No, exactly this this bleeders load just quickly. The three
game format, I've never understood it. Why isn't it the
best of three? Why do you have to have two
and a one all drawer? And that's stupid, isn't it?

Speaker 25 (01:23:20):
Well it is a bit daft. I mean, I love
the three game format. You know, one team wins the first,
another team wins the second.

Speaker 11 (01:23:26):
The decider is always exciting.

Speaker 25 (01:23:27):
But I mean, look, don't forget lettersloads are big deals
both sides of the Tasman. I mean, you're going to
get a full house every time. But it is a
bit sad, isn't it When you're going to go to
Wellingen this Saturday house at the Cake ten and there's nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:23:39):
On the line.

Speaker 25 (01:23:40):
I mean, it's a bit and don't forget Look Australia.
I know rugby union over here is the fourth code.
Just about you've got Asie rules in rugby league and
football call it soccer. Is that maybe the third string
and rugby very much the fourth But you know, once
upon a time this transit has to be rival was
just about the best in the world. It was fantastic.

(01:24:01):
We can get back there maybe, But they're talking about
an Anzac Day rugby union one off test I.

Speaker 11 (01:24:06):
Think from twenty twenty six.

Speaker 25 (01:24:08):
That's the suggestion this morning, is that maybe that the
Blederslow's on the line for that one off Anzac Day
Test and then later in the year when there's another
couple to be played because the calendar is so crowded,
that's why it was cut from three to two the
international calendar, so you have the Anzac Day Test with
the letters Loaves on the line, then later in the year,
you got two more to decide the outcome for that year.

(01:24:31):
That to me looks like a pretty bloody good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Good on you, all right, see, I appreciate it. Murrayold's
across the Test and get back to the farm in Pontier.
In a moment fourteen two the Hike.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard by News Talk, sa'd.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Be comparison to Australia. So the Big AFL Finals this weekend.
Problem with the mcg is it's in Melbourne and one
of the teams in the final is the Sydney Swans
and the other team in the final of the Brisbane line.
So all the teams are traveling and to get a
ticket you can't and if you can, darding price for
a round trip from Sydney with Quantus is one thousand bucks,
which is twice the price it normally is Virgin slightly

(01:25:05):
cheaper at seven hundred dollars, but from Brisbane it's thirteen
hundred dollars more than double wadded. It is so exact
more airlines. So we go back to this whole thing. Oh,
we haven't got enough competition. Well, they've got plenty of
competition in Australia. Seventy million dollars one game brings into Melbourne,
the Melbourne economy. They've got a public holiday around it,
of course, the AFL final anyway, the point being that
doesn't matter where you go. The same problems that we

(01:25:28):
face here are the same problems they face across the Tasman.

Speaker 11 (01:25:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Good news, this business of Fontira. They announced this morning
the fifty cent left in the forecast farm gate milk
price mid point nine bucks. Will take that all day long.
The share price, the dividend they pay forty to sixty
cents at this particular point in time, So take your
nine bucks, take your let's call it fifty, so you're
collecting nine to fifty. So they see a strengthening global

(01:25:52):
dairy trade price generally they see a constrained milk supply
and key producing regions. So we're doing nicely. Their whole range,
by the way, on the farm gate price is eight
to twenty five after nine seventy five, so they're a
firming it. Expectations will maintain strong margins in all three
of our sales channels. So things are going very nicely.
Thank you, so thank as we so often say on

(01:26:13):
this program, Thank the Good Lords for the Farmers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Nine to nine The Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Jaguar
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Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Serving away from nine, I note that Coca Cola this
morning have pulled their spice flavored. Coca Cola Spiced hasn't worked,
only been on the shelf six months they introduced it,
while they're going to introduce another new flavor next year.
They said it was spice was going to be a
permanent flavor, which clearly turned out not to be true.

(01:26:42):
Apparently there was a combined this is a marketing issue.
There was a lack of awareness of the new offering,
so that's the marketing department's problem. There was also confumer
confusion over the flavor because apparently it wasn't spicy. Did
we ever get this here? Coca Cola spice, I've never
heard of it. They've had Coca Cola dream World. Have
we had dream World? Do we know co Cola Dreamworld?

(01:27:03):
There's been Coca Cola Starlight and Coca Cola Bite. So
all they keep doing these days, apparently, is just making
up new things that seemingly don't work. Now it is
five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
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brand cosmetics.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Football NFL Cowboys things are problematic already. They're one for
two for the season. They're not going well. They look
like bollocks anyway. Dak Prescott, he's now in trouble. Dak
Press costs there sixty million dollar a year.

Speaker 6 (01:27:37):
Quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
A fan said he wanted to jump off a cliff
because of the way the Cowboys have started the season.
Do you hear that said jump off if you want?
It's not very cool. Jerry Jones, who owns the team
and has owned the team for a hundred years, he

(01:27:59):
goes on local radio station. He does a local radio
station thing each week. And the criticism, as they've said,
Jerry's the main problem with the organization. So Jerry goes
on the radio this morning, goes, actually, it's fair. I
accept that completely. I don't know how you could look
at it any other way. Then into Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons,
excuse me, as one of their star players. He's gone
on his podcast to defend Deck.

Speaker 28 (01:28:22):
He said the same thing today to the guys, right,
jump off, you're going to Burt. I have now full
belief in this guy. Right, when you figure out what's
wrong and people are attacking earlier, and you keep getting
better and better, so then when you start going on
your run, you feel invincible.

Speaker 11 (01:28:35):
Right. It's all about clicking.

Speaker 28 (01:28:36):
Right, everything's all about clicking NFL at the right time
to go on your run. It's never the usually the
best teams, and sometimes the best teams usually do because
they're clicking at the right time. But at the end
of the day, you know, that's what this journey's about.
And right now, we just got to find our groove.
We got to find their spot. We got to get
into rhythm. That's all this is, and it's trials.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Said psychobabbem. I think that sounds like psychobabble to me. Anyway.
Most people say, well, Michael, what you need to do
is practice some more, because every time something goes wrong,
that's when you hit your podcast. Stop doing the podcast
and start doing their practice. Tell you what I watched yesterday.
If you're into the NFL with the Commanders, and once
upon a time when they were called the Redskins, they
were like so useless, it was inconceivable how useless they were.

(01:29:17):
And yet yesterday, not only were they good but they won,
and they look, they look, they don't they don't look
the goods. I don't want to oversell them, but they thought, geezus,
tell you what, there's a pathway back. They've got their
brew and they got the thing whatever Michael was saying.
They got a bit of that going on. So so
that's all good. Back tomorrow morning on The Mike Hosking Breakfast.
Thursday Morning's edition from six There's always Happy Days, Really Dark.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
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