Full Show Podcast: 3 June 2024

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Wednesday after Rate, Richard Arnold, State Side and Steve Price
lines up in Australia for us pasking Welcome to the day.
Seven past six are the current or of the ongoing
game that has been played between economists and bankers over
the state of our beleagued economy versus the Reserve Bank
and when they're game to start cutting rates is well
worth watching if for no other reason we're all unfortunately

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reluctant players. In the latest chapter involves the Nzier and
their business survey. The game is played as follows. Business
tells the serve things are bad, really bad, really really
really bad. One of the questions is about pricing intention
i e. Do you think you can pass on costs
to the punter? Not being a city council, of course,
most of them say no. They then say that affects

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their income, their profitability, their stress levels are up. Repeat,
things are really really really bad. The survey is published
and the bank has rejoiced because it's such bad news.
The Reserve Bank has got to start cutting soon, don't
they o. This game has been going on for a while.
Then banks come in with their predictions forecuts. Not long ago.
Some thought August would be a good starting point. Now

(01:35):
it's more like end of the year. Some say early
next year. Some say the middle of next year. Here's
the truth. No one knows, not even the Reserve Bank why,
because things aren't really really really bad. Well they are,
it's just not bad enough. Inflation still stuck, not as
stuck as it was, but stuck enough. And no amount
of winging, whining, moaning and squealing makes it fall any faster.
Only fundamentals do that, and fundamentals don't make noise. The hope,

(01:58):
now there's a word. The whole hope is that inflation
is beckoning its appropriate box by the end of the year,
and then maybe, just maybe, if the Reserve Bank thinks
it is going to stay there, do we at last
start the journey of the cuts. In the meantime, it's
kept mouse banker and economists, fortune teller and Ouiji board
operator toying with our emotions, hoping that if we grimm
us so badly, Adrian might just relent.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Final push in the UK as Rushi gives it everything.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Crucially, I want to continue to make progress, cutting migration
and stopping the votes, and that's a choice for everyone
at this election. A vote for anyone who's not a
Conservative candidate is a vote not for those things.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Kia got accused of being a bit workshire going home
at six o'clock, so we had to defend that. It
is really desperate. My family's really important to me, as
they will be to every single person watching this, and
I just think it's increasing desperation bordering on hysterical now.
The lib Dems, while surfing, tried to be serious.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
We're the only party putting NHS and social care carers
right at the front of our election priorities, and yes
We've done it with a bit of fun, but we've
also got a serious message.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Also in Britain, another sickening chapter and the Lucy Lippy Siga.
She's been found guilty of trying to kill another baby.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
We have seen medics and nurses give their evidence in
a professional and personal manner. Without this, the family and
parents of baby Kay would not have received the justice
that they have received today.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Then ken yep, where you thought the protests were over
after the President backed down on the text last week?
A week is a long time.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
They told us Ruta Musco, we're sick of him.

Speaker 7 (03:36):
He's killing and they've called him a liar.

Speaker 8 (03:39):
We've seen the police fire to guess directly at them.

Speaker 9 (03:43):
We've also seen them beat people.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
She's in a guest mask. The state side insight into
just how bad Biden saga is. This is Kyle Burnstein.

Speaker 10 (03:51):
These people who have supported him, loved him, campaign for him,
see him often say that in the last six months particularly,
there has been a marked incidence of cognitive decline.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
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most liveable city in the world along with Osaka. Believe
it's in ninety seconds or not. By the way, very
good news on inflation this morning. Headline inflation in the
euro Zone two point five percent, smack in the middle.
That's where they want it, in line with expectations. Price
rises and services which is always an issue, that held
at four point one percent, so they seem to have

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it under control, so good on them. Twelve past six
co hosting breakfast. Well, it's all starting to hit the fan.
In America. Democratic Lloyd Dog of Texas first sitting Democrat
member of Congress to call for Biden to go. I
represent the heart of a congressional district once represented by
Lyndon Johnson. Under very different circumstances, he made the painful
decision to withdraw. President Biden should do the same. He

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could help usher in a new generation of leadership. We've
also got the Democratic Representative Mike Quigley of Illinois. He
signaled an openness to replace Biden as nominee. So she's
unfolding as we speak. Fifteen past six, Richard, I'm not sure,
of course, j am I wealth Andrew Keller her, good morning,
very good morning. The auctions of it ugly.

Speaker 11 (05:34):
Where to start with this, you know, I'd really like
not to have to keep relaying grim economic and marketing us.

Speaker 12 (05:40):
The trouble is, it just keeps appearing. I'd looked twice.

Speaker 11 (05:43):
At this to make sure I hadn't got the date wrong.
So we've seen a precipitous fall in the Global Dairy
Trade Price Index night six point nine fall. So that's
not great. So the supporting players, if I look at
the general if A look at sort of different products,
the supporting players were very weak and hydrous milk fat

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down ten point seven percent, butter down ten point two percent,
butter milk powder a five percent fall, chedder down six
point nine percent. But the main players, they didn't escape unscathed.
They were hammered, really, I think would be the best
way to describe it. Skim milk powder down six point
one percent, and I'm looking at that going like as
that unusual back in February we saw a fall of

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over five percent, a similar size fall in August last
year in twenty twenty two, we also saw some similar
sized falls. So a six point one percent fall is
not unprecedented, but it's certainly not common. Basically removes a
lot of the upward price movement we've.

Speaker 12 (06:40):
Seen since April.

Speaker 11 (06:42):
Whole milk powder four point three percent fall threey two
hundred and eighteen US dollars perimetric time was the average there.

Speaker 12 (06:48):
That takes the end ex back to April levels.

Speaker 11 (06:51):
Mike, I probably need a bit of time to dig
a bit deep into the bidding behavior in the details
to actually understand what's happened here'd did somebody just not
show up?

Speaker 9 (07:00):
Now?

Speaker 11 (07:00):
The other thing we've got to say, is this enough
to affect the payouts are the forecast posts?

Speaker 12 (07:04):
My sense is that it isn't, but it's worrying.

Speaker 11 (07:08):
We have to hope that we are not seeing a
significant and material change in the trend because again, Mike
Agri and Darie particularly been one of the sort of
bright points of the soggy economy at the moment.

Speaker 12 (07:19):
We don't want to see it come down.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
No, we do not, But fortunately we've got the business confidence. Yes,
Oh no, we don't.

Speaker 12 (07:24):
So that was it, wasn't it wonderful?

Speaker 11 (07:27):
So yeah, the release yes day the end I quarterly
serve a business opinion. Yes, they've talked about being interested
in inflation pricing intentions. How that refers to the Reserve Bank.
I think the detail in this qb QSBO has confirmed
to me that it seems highly unlikely that we're going
to have to wait until the second half of twenty
twenty five from move lower in the OCR. At the

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headline level, there's a further decline in business confidence. You
would have been staggered, I think, to not have thought
that you wouldn't see that, and that thirty five percent
of firms expected terrooration the general economic outlook in coming
months own activity businesses own activity weakened and at twenty
eight percent. Twenty eight percent, that's the third reported a
decline in activity in their business in June that week

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and is consistent with the sort of direction of travel
that we're seeing in the A and Z business outlook.
The building sector it's the most downbeat again, no surprises there,
closely followed by manufacturing. Retail sector profitability is challenged again you.

Speaker 12 (08:26):
Know what we keep well, Katman, do you've got warehouse?
Everything's telling you that that's going on as well.

Speaker 11 (08:31):
Some interesting numbers out of the sort of referring to
the labor market. Approximately a quarter of firm survey surveyed
have reduced staff numbers in the June quarter and ten
percent a further ten percent in ten two. So that's
yet another statistic that is reminiscent of the GFC. Over
sixty percent of business report that sales are the main

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limiting factor in their business or are the limiting factor
in their business.

Speaker 12 (08:56):
That's the highest level we've seen that in ten years.

Speaker 11 (08:59):
So and some sort of I think some quite worrying
signs at second level, an increased number of businesses surveyed
have said they're intending to reduce investment in buildings and
plant and machinery because that reduces their capacity to react
when conditions improve, and it certainly doesn't help productivity. But

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a lower number of firms reported and intentioned to increase prices.

Speaker 12 (09:24):
So that's good.

Speaker 11 (09:25):
But almost everything in the survey market is moving the
direction of the Arbien said wants to see. Unfortunately that's
not good. But look, I just don't think they're going
to rely on the survey responses and they need to
see confirmation, or they will need to see from their
point of view, confirmation and things like inflation numbers and GDP.

(09:46):
It just seems inevitable that we will see that.

Speaker 12 (09:49):
It is just a question of when.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Okay numbers right.

Speaker 11 (09:53):
Well, the US share markets are up, so there's a
but a positive news for the morning. The Dow Jones
is up eighty two points thirty nine two hundred fifty one.
The S and P five hundred is up twenty points,
that's point three seven percent at five four nine five,
and the Nasdaq is up one hundred and seventeen points
two thirds seven percent, so just under the eighteen thousand levels.

Speaker 12 (10:10):
That's all good.

Speaker 11 (10:11):
The FORTS one hundred lost point five six percent yesterday,
closing at eight one two one. The NICK was up
over one percent over the forty thousand mark. Shangho Compost
was up two to nine nine seven yesterday. The A
six two hundred lost a point four two percent, closing
at seven seven one eight, and the NZCS fifty was
fairly quiet, lost thirteen points, closing at eleven thousand, seven

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hundred and seventy six the Kiwi dollar points six oh
seventy five on the wholesoal markets against the US point
nine one one five against the Australian dollar point five
six five six euro zero point four to seven nine
one pounds ninety eight point one one. Japanese en gold
trading at two thy three hundred and twenty five dollars,
and Brent crude continues to sort of sit up there
at eighty six dollars and fifty eight cents tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Make Andrew KELLAJJMIWALTH dot co dot m Z hoskis the
selling them in America. GM are the quarterly sales best
in three years, six hundred and ninety six thousand and
eighty six cars in the second quarter alone since the
fourth quarter of twenty twenty. EV's do they do? Evs? Yes,
Once again depends how you read it. EV deliveries increase

(11:15):
forty percent. You go, wow, that's a lot of cars,
is it not really? Twenty one nine hundred and thirty
out of these six hundred and ninety six thousand for GM,
but they are selling at least six twenty one here
at news Talk said, people.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Say that's off the Mike Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Speaking of cars in America, a story that has not
been covered here at all. In this country, they are
basically have their industry crippled. At the moment in America,
ongoing systems out and you've been going on for a
couple of weeks. The software provide a CDK global car
dealerships are racking up millions of dollars in losses. It's
a software blackout. It's caused by a cyber attack. Dealers

(11:55):
can't track customer interactions or orders or sales. It's pen
and paper all over the country. It's crippled an entire industry.
Why this hasn't been reported, I got no idea, but
they Reckon Anderson Economic Group have suggested that it's going
to cost the industry or costing the industry. Is about
fifteen thousand car dealerships affected by all of this, and
it's costing the industry currently to this point and counting

(12:17):
one billion dollars will be precise nine hundred and forty
four million dollars. So cyber attacks are real. Richard Arnold
states side also in America before seven o'clock this morning,
David Seymour on this media bill after seven o'clock six twenty.

Speaker 13 (12:29):
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brand fight ements.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Now there might be a little bit of ascar bars
coming around. This one's called The Critic. It's about the
most feared theater critic, played by Ian McKellen, presumably filmed
before he fell off the stage. He works for the
Daily Chronicle that's set in the thirties. He's gay, so
they try and tone him down, and the.

Speaker 12 (12:48):
Chief drama critic.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Of the Data Chronicle shimmy asking, senefan like me, hold
your breath, for here is theatrical sewage.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's a disaster.

Speaker 12 (13:00):
You should talk to him. Turn it down. Were beauty
less beast.

Speaker 14 (13:06):
Anyone who threatens the reputation of this newspaper is an undesirable.

Speaker 12 (13:09):
You must practice your perversion behind.

Speaker 15 (13:11):
Closed doors or a check your queer.

Speaker 12 (13:13):
In my return, the compliment.

Speaker 16 (13:20):
Mister asking are you a homosexual?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
W ask you live with yourself?

Speaker 12 (13:27):
Please? This is her in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Ian McKellen, Mark Strong, Jimmy Artitan Rumor Miller's at the movie.
Quentin Tarantino wished he had made He had a script
called The Critic, but he tossed it out Anyway, those
who did make it, we'll get it to cinemas by
September the thirteenth. By the way, Greece is introduced, saying,
as of a couple of days ago July one, a

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six day working week. God bless them in a world
where everyone wants to worse less and we can't wait
for a four day working they've decided that a six
day week doesn't apply to everybody. Traditional forty hour work
week could be extended to forty eight. Food service, tourism
not included. Unions don't like it. The Greeks already worked
fairly arduously about eighteen one hundred and eighty six hours

(14:16):
a year, the US eighteen hundred and eleven, the European
average fifteen hundred and seventy one. So their outliers in Europe.
But a six day working week for Greece. News for
you and a couple of moments here a news talk said.

Speaker 17 (14:28):
Book Stay, Oh, aren't you? I need you? Old Goad
I need it is beautiful, says it Aga.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,
like Cosking, Breakfast with Jaguar, the art of performance. News
talk said, b just.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Quick update on the French vote coming second round the Sunday.
A couple of hours ago the deadline finished. You had
to register all your contenders, a lot of toing and throwing,
background arm twisting, all that sort of stuff. So there's
about three hundred constituencies where three hundred where three content
candidates qualified from the first round of voting. So the
deal was that if you weren't RN, RN being marining

(15:21):
in the pen, the so called hard right center write
whatever you want to call them. Anyway, if you weren't RN,
then you get somebody somewhere to drop out. So it's
you versus RN, or RN versus the rest. That's the
way this works in France. I think it's a whole
gerrymandered system. But nevertheless, the instructions went out, issued instructions
to all of its third place candidates to step down,
get out of the way. So it's one on one

(15:42):
come Sunday. That has now been sorted and they are
set to go, and it is all to play for
twenty two to seven. Speaking your works, toy, it's all
on in the States as we speak. Richard Arnold on
the Biden problem in just a couple of moments meantime
back here, great qu success story. Refreshed Renovations has grown
to be one of the largest home companies in the world.
So they're generating one hundred million annually. Currently they're aiming

(16:04):
to make a billion with international expansion. They're already in
Australia currently looking to crack the UK and the US.
The founder and director John Bridges with us on this John,
very good morning to you.

Speaker 18 (16:14):
Hi Mike, how are you very well?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Indeed, thank you? So you reno at scale? Is that
how it works?

Speaker 18 (16:19):
Well, we're a franchised home renovation company, a bit like
the new home builders are franchised like DJ Gardner and
those sorts of companies. So we have about one hundred
and seventy franchises, multiple brands, were Fresh Renovations. We've got
a landscape and company, a maintenance company as well. We
do our renovation company. We do all types of renovations,

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so bathrooms, kitchen, small projects up to full house renovations.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
And you simply saw in the house building market or
the housing market in general, there's a whole lot of
people at scale who do different things. No one does
renolds at scale, so off you went.

Speaker 18 (16:56):
Absolutely, no one does reno's at scale, and I think
we all know that the major problem in the renovation
market with customer service and budget blowouts. There's been researched
on which indicates about thirty percent of the money that's
spent on renovation is wasted and about twenty to thirty
percent of projects end in disputes. Now, that's a huge

(17:16):
problem given the industry right now in New Zealand's about
twelve billion dollars a year, so maybe four billion being wasted.
The reason for that is because the poor project planning,
project management, and communication. Most businesses are really small renovation
businesses and they focus on the trade side of things.

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Harvard University has actually done quite a bit of research
on it, and they've identified the renovation market as the
most fragmented sector of the entire US economy. That about
about six hundred and fifty thousand renovation builders over there
in about ninety percent of them have one to three
people in them. And the issue is that those businesses
just don't have the resources to invest in that layer

(17:59):
of project plan, project management, communication, that layer of things
above the trade that actually makes the projects once run smoothly.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Okay, well, I'll ask you this hold on because I've
renovated a lot in my life, and you're right, you've
got to piece this thing together. Or you can get
a project manager, and you've got to have faith in
the project manager, et cetera. Do you buy franchising run
a risk that not he buys the franchise, but not,
he's an idiot and he's going to let you down.

Speaker 18 (18:24):
Well, you do, but we have really type process control.
So what we've done is invested in our own IT
systems and we've built our own development company in India.
And the key is that we've got all that process
control built into the IT system and we can see
what's going on in all of those businesses.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Okay, next question, Then do you lose by going to
a major scaled player individuality? So I come in with
all my creativity and all my ideas because this is
my dream home, my dream project, and you go, no,
we've got four of those, six of those and five
of those, and that's what you choose from.

Speaker 19 (18:59):
No.

Speaker 18 (19:00):
Because in renovations, we can't have standard plans. So it's
not like a new home daughder we have a standard process.
It's all about stage gates and checklists and making sure
everything's done at the right stage and not too late.
If you make decisions too late in the process, they
end up costing you more. So it's about making those
decisions early on and making your cost trade off decisions

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early on. But no, we don't have any restriction on
the type of project you can design.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, I wish you all the very best with your
expansion and we'll get you back on when you've cracked
a billion. John Bridge Refresh Renovations, founder and director, nineteen
to seven.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
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Speaker 2 (19:40):
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of grease. Was there three weeks ago? We all know
a few years ago they were broke, of course, but
a new leader comes in here. It's kark is very
pro business, hence a six day six six day working
week notice, leaflets and notices everywhere saying of purchasing products

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or services. If you don't receive a registered invoice, you
are not required to pay for the purchase. So Greece's
government tax take is booming. Brilliant. Yeah, I'd be interested
to see how the six days goes.

Speaker 13 (20:53):
Six forty five international correspondence with ends and eye insurance.
Peace of mind for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
So sired Richard Donald.

Speaker 13 (21:01):
Good morning, Hey Mike, so.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Dogget I'd never heard of, but he wants them gone.
It's all on, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (21:07):
Democratic Congressman Lloyd Doggett has become the first in his
party to openly call for Joe Biden to step down
as president. Other people are muttering things in private, but
he has gone public. He says Biden should quote make
the painful and difficult decision to withdraw. That is echoed
pretty much by Democrat Might Quickly of Illinois, who said
this in an interview a short time ago.

Speaker 16 (21:27):
He has to be honest with himself. This is a
decision he's going to have to make. His decision not
only impacts who's going to serve in the White House
the next four years, but who's going to serve in
the Senate, who's going to serve in the House, and
will have implications for decades to come.

Speaker 20 (21:44):
Democratic governors are asking from a meeting at the White
House after Biden's disaster for US debate performance. That meeting
could happen as soon as tomorrow. A new poll is
just out from CNN today. That survey indicates that three
quarters of usfotters say the Dems would have a better
chance for retaining the presidency this time around with someone
other than Biden at the top of the ticket. In

(22:04):
a head to head match up. The poll has Trump
leading Biden by forty nine percent to forty three When
they look at other possible Democratic choices. Vice President Kamala
Harris is within the margin of era with forty five
percent behind Trump on forty seven. Other leading Democrats, including
California Governor Gavin Newsom, Transport Secretary Pete Bodhajeedge, and Michigan

(22:25):
Governor Gritchen Whitmer, forty five points behind Trump. Meantime, veteran
Watergate journalist Carl Bernstein says people close to Biden now
say his decline has accelerated since the start of this year.
They cite fifteen to twenty occasions in the past year
and a half when the President has appeared as confused
as he did during the debate. Meantime, there are no

(22:45):
signs that Biden is willing to step aside. He just
appeared at a climate event where he introduced new rules
to protect workers from extreme heat and said of climate change,
that's also poll's serious threats to our naz's transportation system.

Speaker 12 (23:00):
Who are powered foreigns, fisheries and forests.

Speaker 20 (23:03):
Yeah, things are going on right in our lives being
lost to Hurricane Beryl, which is the earliest category five
hurricane ever to rise up in the Gribbean and has
top wind speeds of two hundred and sixty five kilometers
an hour two hundred and sixty five k's and it
could threaten Texas within the coming days. Biden has just
agreed to do an extended media interview with American ABC

(23:25):
and host George Stephanopolis. How much a single interview can
change opinions question mark. New York Times opinion writer More
Endowed headlined her piece on this political campaign as the
ghastly versus the ghostly on the Trump front. The partisan
Supreme Court because declared in their latest opinion that a
president has immunity from criminal prosecution for official actions that

(23:48):
seemed designed to help Trump. If Nixon had this Supreme
Court back in his day at the time of Watergate,
he could have stuck around forever. As he told interviewer
David Frost back in nineteen seventy.

Speaker 14 (23:57):
Seven, what in the sense you're saying is that there
are certain situations, and the Houston Plan, of that part
of it, was one of them where the president can
decide that it's in the best interests in nation or
something and do something illegal.

Speaker 12 (24:16):
Well, when the president does it.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
That means that it is not illegal.

Speaker 20 (24:19):
Yeah, King Richard Nixon, now the president and above the law,
has a role equivalent to role to suggests the dissenting
Supreme Court Justice Sonya son Too Mayor, who raised some
pretty shocking possibilities in her dissent. If a president now
quote orders a Navy seal Team six to assassinate a
political rival, immune, organizes a military coup to hold on
to power, immune takes a bribe in exchange for pardon

(24:43):
immune immune immune immune end quote, that's a dissenting Supreme
Court justice writing there. Finally, Trump advisor Steve Bannon was
just sent off to jail for four months. Another Trump aide,
Peter Navarro, also is in the clink right now. Trump
lawyer Rudy Giuliani today was disbarred in u for repeatedly
lying about Trump's election losses. So that's some of the gang.

Speaker 19 (25:03):
Well.

Speaker 20 (25:04):
Trump now has escalated his threat to prosecute political opponents,
calling for the jailing of President Biden, vice President Harris,
Senators Mitch McConnell Republican, and Chuck Schumer, Democrat, and his
own former deputy Mike Pence. He also claims that Liz Cheney,
the former Republican Party congress member and top Republican Party official,
is quote guilty of treason and suggests there should be

(25:26):
televised military tribunals. Chaney has replied that Trump is quote
not a stable ad off. Is it time to will
in the therapist date.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Good stuff see in a couple of days. The seriousness,
by the way, of Juliani's misconduct cannot be overstated, they
said today when they threw him out flagrantly misused his
prominent position as the personal attorney for former Trump and
his campaign, through which he repeatedly and intentionally made false statements,
some of which were bridges to the federal court, the
state lawmakers, the public, the Attorney General's Grievance Committee, and

(25:56):
this court concerning the twenty twenty presidential election. So can
he suspended from practicing law? He is now permanently despired.
Good Times nine to seven Mike.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Husking Breakfast with Dailey's Real Estate news Talk Sippy.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, I think really right, I mean sitting down with
George Stephanopolis to do in interviews hardly, I think turn
your election chances around, and poor old Karine Jean Pierre.
They cannot pay this woman enough money to defend this crap.

Speaker 8 (26:25):
When you look at the record of President Biden versus
former President Trump, you see President Biden, who has delivered
the strongest recovery in modern history, versus the previous administration
whose plans hurts the middle class. And President Biden, who
is committed to protecting our fundamental freedoms versus the former president.

(26:46):
The previous administration doing everything that they could and they
did to overturn roeby Wade Bill.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
The ins and the outs. It's the fizz on the
Mike Husking breakfast on News Talk Sippy.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
She's working high as we speak in the spinning room.
So we'll give you the word of anything else comes
to light insight into our travel habits and what we
like to spend our hard moon earned money on Google.
It's based on what New Zealand does a searching for
when we book a holiday. The top thing, Are you
ready this is BS Immersive Cultural Experiences. This is what
they're telling us this morning. The first thing at Google

(27:19):
is immersive Cultural Experience.

Speaker 9 (27:22):
Only I only get as far as imm and it
just comes out. That's how is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (27:27):
We're looking to build deeper connections by looking for more
enriching cultural exchanges. Is that why we're going to the
gold coaster?

Speaker 9 (27:33):
Isn't as far as ri C? And then retro connection?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Is that why we're going to dinner? Our is it
cannot wait for that DP immersive experience at dinner? I
give me a break. So the first searchers for temples
at a record high. Apparently all over the world everyone
wants to go to a time.

Speaker 9 (27:49):
Did actually go to a temple last week?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Of course you did? And was was it an immersive experience?

Speaker 9 (27:54):
I immersed myself in the Alau Temple?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Did you have any cocktails?

Speaker 9 (27:58):
Immersed?

Speaker 19 (27:59):
There?

Speaker 21 (27:59):
Were?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
To go to the beach?

Speaker 9 (28:00):
I did?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Did you stay in a hotel on some weight? Did
you sit in the sun?

Speaker 9 (28:06):
Actually last weight? I came back.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
You got sick?

Speaker 9 (28:12):
It is quite hot there.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
I might have squeated some out home stays? Is the
second search all time high for searches nature searches for
forest bathing? What forest bathing rewilding efforts? So once you've
done your immersive experience, what else should we do? I

(28:34):
know a rewilding rewilding efforts tree planting has never been higher.
It is such crap. No one looks for a retreat
more than us. We love a retreat and we don't
like cheap anymore. The best as a search, the best
outnumbered searches for the cheapest. These days, we're also in
the top ten for people looking for premium travel, which

(28:55):
is everything from flight's accommodation to top flight activities. I mean,
if you're gonna go forest bathing, you don't want to
just do some cheap forest bathing. You want to do
some real expensive forest bathing.

Speaker 7 (29:04):
Dun.

Speaker 9 (29:05):
Would you believe me if I told you that I
do actually know a bunch of people who went tree
planting last weekend.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
On holiday, not really just tree planting down out. And
that's before I come to this other survey this morning
that claims Auckland is the ninth most liveable city in
the world. Wait till you hear what score they gave
education in New Zealand. Once again, more but yes, anyway,
David Seymour on the media shortly.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
The breakfast show You Can trust the mic Hosking Breakfast
with Bailey's Real Estate doing real estate differently since nineteen
seventy three, US togs Head.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Be seven past seven, So this fair Digital News Bargaining
Bill going ahead. Labour came up with it. Of course
melistily missed it up. Paul Goldsmith. You get the sense
he's been drag kicking and screaming to the liner. But
there are a couple of changes, not least of witches
and ministers now involved in final calls and we have
the second degree to disagree trigger pulled in the coalition,
this time by ACT. David Seymour was with us. Very
good morning to you, fighting mate. Was this a dian

(29:59):
the ditch thing for you or are we going to do?
You think see a bunch of agree to disagrees before
the next election.

Speaker 22 (30:07):
Well, the nature of the government is a coalition. There's
three different parties. People voted for them for different reasons,
and the people that voted for us want to see
us stand up and represent them their values. I don't
think many, if any, people who voted ACT want to
see a policy that is based on the Labor Party

(30:27):
theory of economics. There's a company with some money, let's
take it off them and it to someone else that
might support us, which is all that is. It's not
going to solve the underlying and quite serious problems with media,
in fact, that we'll probably make them worse because the
one attractive thing about this whole policy was that it

(30:50):
deals between private companies with no politicians involved. Now they're
proposing that a politician gets involved in effectively funding media,
and it's just not acceptable.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
The problem with it is that the one side of
the equation is so gargantuan and so big and so powerful.
The argument would be you need a politician to drag
them to the table otherwise they don't care.

Speaker 22 (31:12):
Well, that may well be the case, but it also
tells you something about the nature of the relationship. It's
not always obvious who needs who the most, and when
it comes to digital media, whether it's The Herald Online
or stuff or whatever. They are benefiting from being able

(31:33):
to be found on Google, from having their stories shared
on Facebook and Instagram, and I've heard from people who
work in those companies that they're trained to help enhance
their visibility on these internet platforms so they get more readers. Now,
if you're going to try and strike a deal, it's
not actually obvious who should be paying who for what service.

(31:58):
But to put a politician in the middle tin figure
that out, well, that's the kind of policy we expect
from the Labor Party, and of course that the origin
of it is a labor policy. And I just think
we're going to be honest about you know, the problems
with the media actually relate to the product. It's never
been easier to share news. It's not like you have

(32:19):
to pay a network of thousands of school kids to
deliver papers every morning. Anyone can start a media company.
It's easy to communicate. The issue is I don't think
people want the product. And if you start trying to
subsidize by pulling down other companies that are doing well,
you're just delaying the change that needs to happen. That
we need more journalism we can actually trust.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
By While I got you this absentee and business down
thirty percent on travel, you know, the flight center stuff,
I didn't think it would work as much as it has.
You've got to be pleased with thirty percent.

Speaker 22 (32:53):
Well, I haven't talked to them directly, and I've only
seen what's been reported in media, But yeah, that does
unreally positive. I mean Term one this year was the
best Term one in five years going back to twenty nineteen,
so I think people are starting to take attendance more
seriously and obviously thrilled about that, but it's far too

(33:15):
early to celebrate. The truth is that you know that
term one might be a high point in five years,
but you know, we got sixty two point three percent
of students attending regularly. Our target as a government is
eighty percent by the end of the decade. It's a
long way from sixty two percent regular attendants to eighty
So it absolutely have to continue to make this a

(33:37):
national project that the more kids go to school, the
more knowledge with past of the next generation, the brighter
the future for all of us because each of those
kids are empowered to succeed in whatever the next century
throws at us.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Well, so appreciate it. David Seymour, Act Leader. It is
eleven minutes past seven asking what's to say about us?
A narratitude towards education that all takes us, David saym
or to go, hey, you're not going to go take
an extra week on the score holidays, get to school
and suddenly we do. We're like sheep, aren't We couldn't
work that out for ourselves. Seriously, back to youth crime,
the target is to reduce it by fifteen percent, but
ministerial briefing papers we got this morning show the Minister

(34:11):
is potentially not doing enough to reach it. Too much
is being expected to police, apparently not on our focus
being given to the role of partner agencies like OT
and youth support providers. Blue Light CEO Brendan Crompton back
with us. Brendan, very good morning to you.

Speaker 7 (34:24):
Hey, good morning, Mike. How are you.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I'm very well and do thank you. So the police intervene,
the argument being they need back up, would that broadly
be your view of matters?

Speaker 7 (34:32):
Yeah, absolutely, as you know on my expliceman myself. So yeah,
the pleasure there to do enforcement day. They're plan to
get the young person into court or into a family
group conference and then order on company and its providers,
of which we are. We provide services to young people
who offended. We've actually been doing this for thirty years.
We do that in community support for those young people.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
It's important to point out Mark Mitchell, the Minister concern
points out they've got all the resources they need, so
he said, he said, anyway, how much of the crime,
in your view or experience requires intensive levels and intervention
as opposed to a clip around the ear. Maybe a charge.
Maybe maybe something in the kids straightened out.

Speaker 7 (35:10):
Well, I suppose mil I listened often to to your
radio station. People going to really mention all the kids
that we deal with have at the same one with
three of these factors that failed mainstream education, so they're
not on school or or any sort of training. The
second factor they have just faxed dysfunctional family and friends.
So there's family violence, criminality, drugs, alcohol, certainly no positive

(35:31):
role are male role models. And they're not in anything
organized so that other clubs. They're not in church or
sports or kapahaka. And there's fantastic examples of the kids
have offended who have been brought into a sports team
or boxing, all those examples that you get and they
no longer offend. So all those all those things we
can identify at primary school. And so when people do
about early intervention, I've been doing this for thirty years

(35:54):
that we've always known that, but no one puts money.
You know that all the government agencies talk about early
intervention and the police at their jobs not to do
early intervention. Their jobs the police, and then people point
the fingers them when youth crime's high, but pre work's
not be getting done. And there's lots of programs. If
you look at the military boot camps, whatever you want
to call it, if you actually look at the pillars

(36:14):
of what they're teaching the kids, respect for yourself, respect
for others, commitment, motivation, routine. You have to get up
in the morning, make your bed, spend the day engaged.
It's pretty good if you want to get a job.
Our teamwork and they will work on health and well beings.
So the actual what the program is, I think people
need to stop focusing on the name and actually say, well,
this is what we're trying to do. But that intensive

(36:34):
support that they're going to get way deep into the
cycle of offending. So the intervention is coming, but that
early stuff has never been earlier.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, good inside Brandon as always appreciated. Brandon Crompton, who's
the Blue Light CEO forourteen Minutes past seven, Mark will
have something to say on that. I'm sure. After eight
o'clock this morning, she was asked. John Pierre was asked
about the sequence of events and whether it's you know,
a fair inquiry.

Speaker 8 (37:00):
And I have said it is a fair question to ask.
The President sees it as a legitimate question and I
think also the President saying, I am not a young man.
I'm not as a smooth a smooth talker as I
used to be. I don't walk as easily as I
used to be I used to I don't debate as
well as I used to. I mean, the President is
admitting and saying and this is not the first time, right,

(37:22):
He's talked about his age. He's joked about his age
many times before. And so you heard that directly from
We are acknowledging what people are seeing, but we do believe.

Speaker 12 (37:33):
Really this was a.

Speaker 8 (37:36):
In this instance, it was a bad night.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
She's not really selling him, is she. It is fifteen
past seven Mike Huskyist Yeah, politics Wednesday after write a
talk account onl Zippolonian for Genny this morning along with
Mit Mitchell. Of course, hight teen past seven you dot
around our slide to recover tourism industry International visitors back
tet eighty percent now of what we saw pre COVID,
they were two point nine to six million lost year.
CEO of Titlely tourism falls with us Mark morning.

Speaker 23 (38:02):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I just don't see this as a thing to celebrate.
I mean, I'm looking at countries in Europe that are
one hundred plus and they hate tourists and they're you know,
protesting in the streets and we're going it's eighty, it's
eighty one, it's eighty two. What's wrong with us?

Speaker 23 (38:16):
Well, I guess you've got a put of perspective. You
go back twenty twenty one, we had eighty two thousand
people a right, so businesses like ours when COVID arriving,
they lost ninety percent of our business overnight. To get
back to eighty percent is a positive, certainly, not a negative.

Speaker 19 (38:33):
But you're right.

Speaker 23 (38:34):
We've got to keep in perspective and we've got to
keep working hard at rebuilding the industry. And I think
it doesn't reflect time a year and the type of
visitor that's coming is important to focus on. You know,
in the last twenty four hours down here in Queenstown,
if that's snow, that'll certainly turn the tap on for winter.
No snow. Australians are pretty savvy. They're won't fly over

(38:56):
here to go skiing. As soon as it arrives, you know, conductivity,
they can book their flight and right.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
If you're an outlier though in Queenstown, aren't your Queenstown
seems to be back to some form of normality. The
country doesn't seem to be the case. Are you happy
with the way we're selling ourselves, the marketing, the branding
to the world, that all seasonal tourist type approach they're
taking is all of that good stuff?

Speaker 19 (39:18):
Yes it is.

Speaker 23 (39:18):
But look, I can probably comment on other areas we operate,
the West coast Mount Cook and they certainly hit very
hard over COVID, So I mean, like the West Coast
Friends and Fox, it was like the ghost towns. They
have seen certainly seen the benefit of the return of
international travel, but giving back to promote end of the country,

(39:38):
I think we do have to be careful not to
focus too much on all the negatives of over crowding
region of tourism. You know, we have to we actually
have to acknowledge those points, but we don't want to
lose sight of the fact that comes to New Zeale
and have a great time, have a lot of fun,
enjoyed our joy our food and wine, enjoy the outdoor activities.

Speaker 19 (40:00):
You know.

Speaker 23 (40:01):
And there's been a lot of investment in that type
of promotion over many many years. Right now, we've got
two staff members in China doing a sales trip, working
with touristm New Zealand and some of our partners to
encourage people to come here and tell them why they
should come good. Well, you certainly, yeah, you certainly focus
on a negative, but we've got to get out there
and say to people New Zealand's still a fantastic holiday destination,

(40:26):
very very affordable, and New Zealanders that are hosting people good.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, let's hope the message gets out there. Certainly the
dollars helping us at the moment. Marke appreciate it. Mark
quick Full, CEO of Totally Tourism. Students aren't back either,
International students. This is they're growing, but it's plateauing and
they're not back to where it was. We'll look at
that after a seven thirty as well at seven twenty one.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
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the fact the government is going ahead with Labour's Digital
Media Bill, albeit with amendments, is not really the story.
The fact Act has played this agree to disagree chart
is not really the story. The real story is does

(41:52):
it solve the problem?

Speaker 24 (41:53):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
The problem? What exactly is the problem? Well, the problem
is the media, or at least parts of it, are
in a financial hole and have decided that if only
we can get Facebook or Google Instagram to the table
and get them to give us some money, we can
bring back fair go or hire back a journal that's
been laid off. If only it were that easy. There's
universal agreement in the media that the social media giants
are taking money out of the market, and there is

(42:14):
general agreement that that is pretty much unfair, given they
monetize someone else's work. Now, the fact the media outlets
use Facebook to pump their service and outlets and digital
sites doesn't get quite as widely covered. But let's not
interrupt the David and Goliath narrative flow and kill the buzz.
Should Facebook cut a deal? Probably? Have they elsewhere? Well,
that's another problem, sort of but not really. In Canada

(42:37):
hasn't worked well. The government's ended up handing out money
to news organizations after services got turned off. Australia's in
the middle of striking another deal which may or may
not work the government, or under pressure from places like
Channel nine Channel seven who are laying off people by
the hundred. It all boils down to the idea, does
a social media giant need New Zealand Do they care
enough to pay This government can pass a law introduce

(42:59):
harbdration untill they're blue in the face. The same way,
social media giants aren't supposed to allow extremists and dangerous
material online or lower impressionable teenagers to spend their life scrolling.
Have those laws worked? How many American and European investigations
and committee question and answer sessions do you want to
see where politicians act tough for the camera. Zuckerberg might
stand up and apologize to grieving families, But has it worked. No, Yes,

(43:21):
we have a problem, but do we have a solution.
It's probably I think at the end of the day,
it's probably worth the exercise. But don't be remotely surprised
if in the real world it achieves nothing. Scarrning, Mike,
I think it's too early to say the thirty percent
reduction more likely due to the current economic climate. I'm
getting quite a bit of that feedback. You've missed the

(43:42):
complexity or the detail of the story. The number of
people booking is up, more people are on holiday, but
it's within the confines of the school holidays, whereas it
used to be spread across the week before the week after.
Those bookings are down thirty percent, but the bookings for
the school holidays are up, thus indicating still more peace.
People are going on holiday, They're just doing it within

(44:02):
the school holiday time. Auckland ninth most liveable city in
the world, Mike for homeless people. Let me come back
to that, Mike Liverable. I live in Kingsland, Central Auckland.
Last night it took me ninety minutes to get home
at five o'clock from Commercial Bay to cancel trains, one
bus that moved two hundred meters and forty minutes, so
I got off, went back to the train station, more
cancel trains, finally got home at six thirty. Liverable, Mike,

(44:23):
my head office hr and Oz had an out of
office message yesterday, seeing she was off work planting trees
for Koala. I just thought, of course you are. So
let me come back to the scores. They've given Auckland
as a liverable city. In fact all of the cities
as Liverpool cities. Is laughable, and in there is another
revelation that you don't necessarily want to trust surveys.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
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Speaker 2 (44:55):
I'm taking a five year old and seven year old
grandkids to Fiji this week are after the school holidays.
Oh well, when you say the week after right, I'll
let you know how low the numbers and dinner are
are of kids holiday and when we get back. Thank you, Dug.
You shouldn't be taking your grand kids out of school.
New Zealand tomato grows. I feel like I need to
give you some good news on the economy and I can. Fortunately,
this morning tomatoes are back into Australia. The peppino mosaic

(45:18):
virus pep MV that was a problem for Australia and
it's been a problem for a number of years. They
finally got past it and we can get our tomatoes
back into Australia. It's not the biggest industry in the world,
the tomato industry, but they'll take a couple of million
dollars worth of tomatoes, about six hundred thousand kilograms of
tomatoes each year, so that's sort of good. Also in
the Niche area this morning there's a trade deal that

(45:41):
we signed with Costa Rica, Iceland and Switzerland. What a
wacky combination of countries removing tariffs on hundreds of products.
This is good. It's focusing on trade and sustainable goods
and services. The tariffs have gone on forty one wood
products and wool forty one wood products. It's a lot
of wood products, isn't it? Wool fiber swag wall. I'd

(46:01):
rename that. That'll be my first piece of advice if
I work for New Zealand wool, I'd go, let's let's talk.

Speaker 9 (46:06):
Brand in trouble. Is it selling the slag Let's.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Talk Brandon, guys. Are we not? How's the slag wall going? Guys?
And I'd say, let's let's look for a refresh whiteboard.
Everybody a recycled paper. I don't know how much of
that we do anyway. The trade agreement's the first New
Zealand has concluded with these countries outside the WTO No kidding,
but anyway business.

Speaker 9 (46:26):
But the cool thing about that deal is, though, because
it's Costa Rica, Iceland and Switzerland, it's got a much
better name than the like the PPPTA or whatever that
is Costa Rica, Iceland and Switzerland. It's just Chris, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
The Chris Deal twenty two to eighteen.

Speaker 17 (46:43):
See that's the.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Sort of genius you don't get in schools. There's a
sort of high for looton brilliance that you don't find
in any institution. A little bit of hope around the
international student speaking, which is the number now back up
to sixty seven percent, sixty seven percent up on last year.
We're still only at sixty percent of the pre pandemic enrollments.
General Manager of Marketing and Comms for Education New Zealand,

(47:04):
Jeff Bilbers with us. Jeff, very good morning to you.

Speaker 22 (47:07):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 7 (47:08):
Shut me on.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
As you look at the numbers at sixty percent, do
you worry? Do you think I wish we were better?

Speaker 9 (47:14):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (47:14):
Well, we could always do better, and clearly there's more
to do. But you know, we've only had one full
academic year since the border has opened and we've got
nearly well sixty nine thousand enrollment. Yeah, I'm pretty happy
with that. It's got us back to a good chunk,
particularly in the university sector where they are nearly back
to eighty six percent of twenty nineteen. So we've had

(47:34):
some good growth in some areas. But yeah, clearly there's
more to do. And picking up on the tomato story.
It's good news for the economy to have international students
back in the country.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
That is true. Why aren't we one hundred percent.

Speaker 25 (47:47):
Well internicial education is It's not like hopping on a
plane and coming for a holiday. With all due respect
to my friends at tourism, it's a decision that takes
some time. It's, as someone said to me, a decision
around the two most important things in people's lives, their
children and their money. So it takes some time for
them to do their research. These decisions take over two

(48:09):
or three years, so it takes some time. Our borders
were closed for a while and our competitors were open
a little bit earlier, but we had bounced that really well,
and I'm really optimistic about the future. I think the
experience that we give these students, the research shows that
they it's meeting their expectations and that they're willing to
go home and tell their family and friends that they

(48:29):
had a good time. So I think that's all good.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah, it is. Although I look to Australia, they're back
at one hundred. They've got so many that they've got
a problem. They've changed the visa requirements because they've been
literally flooded with international students. What are they doing that
we're not so?

Speaker 25 (48:44):
Immediately after and towards the end of the pandemic, Australia
and Canada both had made a decision to loosen the
settings for instancial students. And what you talked about is
the flood that they received and that's caused them problems,
and the student experience has been pored in some of
those markets. Canada in particular had very poor student experience

(49:04):
and a lost the public perception towards international education was
also damaged, I think as part of that. So they've
really had to change their settings, and frankly, their settings
look a lot more like ours now. And so our
approach has been much more managed, much much steadier and
consistent growth, and I think that's been to our advantage.

Speaker 22 (49:25):
Really.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Okay, reputationally, are we damaged or not?

Speaker 25 (49:29):
No, I don't think so. And I think the fact
that we've got fifty nine thousand enrollments suggests that our enrollment,
our reputation is a good place to study, a safe environment,
quality education, and something that offers both education and an
experience alongside educator quality education. I think our reputation.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Is intact I'm glad to hear it. Jeff, go well
with up, Jeff, Billbrok the sooner we get back to
the way we used to be the better Education New
Zealand General Manager of Marketing and Communications eighteen away from
eight tasking. Well, this is the economics unit that we've
told you about before. Remember, I can't remember. Several years
ago they came up with Auckland being the fifth most
liberabal city in the world, and we literally fell off
our chairs laughing. Most liberal city in the world's Vienna, Vienna, Copenhagen, Zurich, Melbourne, Melbourne. Really,

(50:15):
I honestly don't think these people get out of the
office Melbourne, Calgary, Geneva, Sidney, Vancouver, Osaka. Auckland is night
people with Osaka. So here are the scores. Everything's out
of one hundred eighty to one hundred means there are few,
if any challenges to living standards. So Auckland scored for stability.
Stability is things like crime, petty crime, violent crime, terror attacks,

(50:36):
and wars. Now we got ninety five, so you go, well,
hold on, you know what about the ram raids? What
about so obviously what they see from London, terror attacks
and wars yep, Okay, not many of them, but so
that's a good score. Healthcare. This is what it takes
into account. Healthcare indicators, availability of public and private care,

(50:56):
ease of over the counter drugs, to ease of under
the counter drugs, which is Amsterdam anyway. Ninety five point eight.
So the media will tell you the health system is
absolutely bucket. You can't get a GP, you can't get
a specialist, the hospital is a choker. And yet they
score ninety five point eight. So someone's not right. Culture
and the environment, so food, drink, sport, temperature, censorship, level

(51:20):
of corruption, you'd expect us to score. Well, there, we're
a pretty clean country. Ninety seven point nine. Education Availability
and quality of public and private education. We've just been
talking about the truancy issues getting kids to school, the qualifications,
number of kids who leave school. With that, we got
one hundred. We got one hundred out of what one

(51:43):
hundred And even if you left school when.

Speaker 9 (51:46):
You are eight sorry I did maths in New Zealand, so.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Exactly, even if you left school when you were eight
and you failed level one en CEA, there is no
way in hell our education system is perfect, which is
what I hundred is infrastructure, public transport, international links, housing, energy, water,

(52:12):
Telco ninety two point nine. Anyway, I can't give you
ten through twenty five because to do that, allegedly according
to the website, you need to give them eight thousand
US dollars. So what we discover at the moment Wait
a minute, yeah, exactly what you discover the moment you
see that? Is it a Ponzi scheme? Sixteen to eight

(52:38):
costing breakfast thirteen away from Mike, Have you actually seen
what kids are doing in the last or first weeks
of term? Absolutely nothing, It's ridiculous. I would tend to
agree with not removing kids from school, however, the movie
days and the other art days, et cetera, and not
what I consider necessary for the kids to attend. It's
not a bad point. I walk a very fine line
between trying to support the schools because you want to
support the schools and you want your kids to go
to school. But I mean, having had five kids through

(52:59):
the thing, it's you make a reasonable point. Mike, New
Zealand company Fabrim will provide toyotomotor, whether it's proprietary liquid
hydrogen storage system. Luxon also said the Japanese construction company
ob Yashi will acquire a fifty percent stake in Easland
Generation for around half a billion dollars to support the
New Zealand company's renewable energy operations. This was done during

(53:19):
Luxeon's trip to Japan. You won't see in New Zealand media, Andy,
what a very good point. You're quite right. We didn't.
And no one trolls the medium more than I do,
and I didn't see that. Speaking of hydrogen, there's a
I'll tell you something about the hydrogen racing they're going
to get into hydrogen. No one loves hydrogen more than me.
Extreme h hydrogen powered racing car. They launched it yesterday,
Pioneer twenty five Potential of hydrogen cells. It's developed by

(53:43):
Spark Racing seventy five killer what hydrogen fuel cell that
powers a battery pack four hundred kilobot's of power twenty
two hundred kg's at way, So it's lighter than an
EV goes zero to one hundred and four and a half,
which is not that good, tackles gradients up to one
hundred and thirty degrees, which is good anyway. So they're
going to daburt all in Scotland thirteenth to fourteenth of July,

(54:04):
and the first season is going to have ten rounds,
five locations, places like Saudi Arabia, the US, UK, Germany
and Italy. Since Carlos owns one team gents and Button
owns another.

Speaker 9 (54:14):
That's signs senior, isn't.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
It, Carlos?

Speaker 9 (54:17):
Yeah, I believe if you've been reading the same articles
about that as me.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Okay, I'm going to get I'm going to give you
the benefit of the doubt on that.

Speaker 9 (54:29):
Unfortunately, when you research this stuff, you then start getting
all these other articles about water powered cars as well,
water powered engines and stuff like that. Okay, and now
it turns out that Toyota's got a hydrogen say yesterday,
now I really got ammonia. Apparently it's the next big thing.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
What stuff you clean your pipes with?

Speaker 9 (54:48):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Well, apparently that'll be clean exhaust, wouldn't it.

Speaker 9 (54:51):
It's easier, Yes, this would probably.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Smell fresh, would smell fresh and clean.

Speaker 9 (54:54):
I don't know, it might smell like cat pee. Why, well,
isn't that what.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Don't smell freshing clean? Doesn't ammonia? I thought ammonia is
smelt clean.

Speaker 9 (55:02):
But anyway, Apparently, if they can just figure out how
to stop it dissolving everything that it.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Touches, it's going to be that's the downside of it. Yeah,
it's going to be the fuel, whereas I think hydrogen
is a little bit better on that front, isn't it.
I could talk about this for ever. Unfortunately I don't
have time. Actually I probably do. Actually it's my show.
I could have time. No, no, I won't turn away from.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Its breakfast where our dog said.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Going away from it? So how about this holiday bunking success?
So data from flight Center more of us have booked
to travel in the school holes compared with last year,
but there's been a thirty percent drop in family bookings
during term time. So the government crackdown has it worked?
General manager of flight Center Heidi Walkers with us Hiday morning.

Speaker 26 (55:43):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
How sure of you are the numbers? Is this just
a sort of a first blush? It's it seems like
it could be a thing.

Speaker 26 (55:50):
It's we're always looking at data. It does seem to
be a thing now. Obviously we'll continue to look it
at that. We've just been interested to see has the
news kind of changed the way that people are purchasing
their holidays and whether they're taking their children out of
school or not.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Because part of that, the ten percent up versus the
thirty percent down is there's something cost of living ish
in that as well. In other words, there aren't as
many people traveling.

Speaker 26 (56:14):
I have no doubt that the cost of living impacts
families holiday decisions. But what we're just trying to understand
is we've still got families traveling. When are they wanting
to travel? Where are they wanting to travel too? And
you know what we are seeing is that people are
being flexible with where they want to go so they
still can have those holidays as a family because it
creates memories. And you know that is something that film

(56:37):
not really important enoughter covid.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
That thirty percent drop, is that mainly international or domestic
or both?

Speaker 26 (56:43):
That's mainly international. The domestic market, you know, that continues
to truck along. We don't have too much with that,
but that's the international market.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
And is it long haul international? It's the old Look,
we're going all the way to Europe. Can we have
an extra week off school? Et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 26 (56:58):
At this stage, it looks like it's more our shorthaul
sort of destination, so our Australia and our South paciffect,
which is generally where a lot of our families will
go because of the length of time that they can
take away from New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
And that whole excuse around, it's so expensive in the
school holidays and if I went a week earlier or
week after, it's so much cheaper. How true is that?

Speaker 26 (57:20):
Unfortunately it is true. It is true because it's supply
and demand, so we've got more people obviously wanting to
travel to those family destinations during the school holidays. So yes,
it is true. But booking as far in advance as
you can is your best bet to get a good deal.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
How many tickets have you sold to Europe for this
month and next so people can go luxury eating a
European summer.

Speaker 26 (57:45):
Not as many as we would love to be selling that.
We just looked at some data the other day and
there's still really good deals to be able to go
to Europe obviously with the Olympics on and things like that,
but that hasn't been our core family sector, so we
don't have all of that.

Speaker 21 (58:00):
Data right now.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
What's core family Fiji Gold Coast, Queenstown.

Speaker 26 (58:05):
Yes, Fiji Gold Coast, Cook Island Ratung is also really popular.
And then after that we do see destinations like Bali,
for example, or Hawaii start to become more popular.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
So why still the thing is a dump, isn't it?
I mean last time I ow it was such a
hole I wouldn't go back.

Speaker 26 (58:23):
It had great shopping and beautiful beaches, so lots of
people love it.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
But it is a choice good only Heidy nice to
talk to you Awai and the muffey Heidi Walker out
of flight Center. It's just Raratong is not warm at
this time of year. I've got a person, my daughter's
boyfriend's coming back from Raratonga today and it's like twenty
one to twenty two degrees, which is nice. Raratong is nice,
don't get me wrong, but it's not that warm. Ammonia
is NH three three parts hydrogen, one part nitrogen. The

(58:49):
nitrogen just stabilizes the hydrogen into a transportable form. Tell
Glenn to give himself an upper cup of missing science
at school? Glenn, what have I got wrong there? Text
like him, Sorry, no, dumb, You see what the point is.
Step out of the room.

Speaker 15 (59:06):
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In the southern breeze.

Speaker 17 (59:35):
It the little.

Speaker 13 (59:39):
Wimpling cry.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
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she's done great American songbook standards. Often Co writes, these
are originals, a little bit of jazz, a little bit
of blues, a little bit of folks. There ten tracks.

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They all seem remarkably the same length, anywhere between about
four h one and four roh three.

Speaker 16 (01:00:10):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (01:00:10):
I love a consistent link the song, don't you on it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
So if you've got ten tracks and roughly four minutes,
got about forty minutes with a years ago, they are
or thereabouts eight minutes past eight. It is politics Wednesday.
Mark Mitchell is with us long with carmel Cepaloni, who
is in for Ginny Anderson, who I believe to be
in China. Good morning to you.

Speaker 17 (01:00:25):
Both, morning Camel Now Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
You're on the road, you're on the wire. Rasis when's
the Prime Minister going to road the way.

Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
As he's looking at Saturday, he's trying to get the
afore Saturday.

Speaker 24 (01:00:37):
So yeah, is there something wrong with the council there
as regards the bar as regards the flooding and why
are you involved or the government involved in something council
should do and clearly haven't been doing properly.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
Look, so there's not the The Warror Council themselves have
done an outstanding job with staff then had done an
outstanding job in terms of not only deal with Gobriel,
but obviously this latest flooding event, and of course the
government has got a role to play to make sure
that we're alongside them, supporting them in that and of
course the town itself there is major concern around the

(01:01:12):
management of the river mouth and whether or not that
contributed to you know, it made the flood stream. That
leads me yeah, well, I mean but obviously there's got
to be a process that's gone through to identify clearly,
you know what the issues are. Number one, to address
those issues for Warra. Number two, to make sure that

(01:01:32):
they can have confidence that the mitigations but in place
that doesn't happen again.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Okay, came a couple of things for you. One, why
are so many of your people? That's not criticisms, just
a question. Why are so many of your people on leave?
Is it because it's recess and everyone just naps off
and goes on holiday.

Speaker 21 (01:01:46):
Well, I think it's still a lot of us here.
We've got the majority of labor caucus in Auckland this
week for away caucus here and people do take leave,
so you know, like the best time to take it
is during resett So obviously we want to know how
many people are away at any given time. Do you
think I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few National

(01:02:06):
imps there are on lead too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Yeah. The probably is is there enough parliament going on
carmel At the moment? There seems to be a lot
of down weeks.

Speaker 21 (01:02:14):
It feels like that, particularly after a budget, we haven't
had the opportunity that we would have usually to interrogate
the government because they've had very few sitting weeks, so
they seem to have manufactured it in a way where
we haven't had the opportunity to scrutinize them in the way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Which we scrutinized us there, it's a perfect bugure.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
That's right, that's a really good point. But look, we
just came through a full scrutiny week where the Labor
Party had a whole week of scrutiny of government ministers,
which we did. We did.

Speaker 21 (01:02:49):
We did have that since interrogation, sustained interrogation over a
theories of sitting week.

Speaker 18 (01:02:57):
Because unfortunately you had a.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Week of sustained interigation, it didn't really seem to go
go anyway you.

Speaker 23 (01:03:05):
Though quite far.

Speaker 21 (01:03:07):
Actually, Mark, there are quite a few detrimental headlines for
you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Yeah, no, it was an interesting week. I think in totality,
would you agree Carmel in general take the politics out
of for a moment. As an idea, Scrutiny Week's a
good idea.

Speaker 21 (01:03:19):
I think it is a good idea. I think that
we can make it better. It's the first time that
it's been held, but certainly had the government under the
spotlight for that week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Okay, tell us Mark, I know you're in Wyrara and
this is probably a million miles away from where your
head is. But this media bill, which was Labour's idea originally,
of course, and Goldsmith rolled it out yesterday. Are you
guys in National genuinely in for this audio? Sort of?
Is this a soopweed? We'll give it a crack and
see what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
No, I think no, we're definitely in for it. Otherwise
you wouldn't have put the bill forward. But you know, yes,
it's Paul Goldsmith's portfolio of it. Ay, we are fully
committed to it without doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Do you think it'll work?

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
I don't know. I mean, honestly might that's a question
of heard your challenges and in the points that you've made,
I think they're very, very good and valid ones. I
think that. But I think at the end of the day,
get Paul on and have a chat about it. You know,
I can certainly go through some of the things that
obviously have been trying that they're trying to achieve through
the bill, and I think everyone agrees that you have
to be doing something, you know, and that's accept what

(01:04:27):
Paul's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
See, here's the interesting thing, cantell. I mean, I know
it's Willy's idea and all that sort of stuff. So
you guys, I will please know, I assume you're going
to vote for.

Speaker 21 (01:04:34):
It, right, Yeah, I think I think that's definitely where
we're heading. Okay, I think you should get done, Paul
and Willie, and I think it would be a good discussion.
They might be agreeing, but.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
It strikes me as and look, you know, give me
the credit for having been in this industry for a while,
I just don't. I mean, I like the idea in
the sense that, yes, there's a problem. I just don't
see these guys coming to the table because they don't care.

Speaker 21 (01:05:01):
Well, yeah, I just keep going back.

Speaker 6 (01:05:03):
Sorry, no, I was just going to say, love, I
do agree with that when you look around the Cutchows
in Australia recently, and yeah, they're struggling and gripping these things.
But it doesn't mean that we shouldn't still continue to
look for options and in ways of trying to create
a level playing field. But yes, but I agree with
you Mike that it's a big mountain to climb.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Where do you reckon? Come on?

Speaker 21 (01:05:23):
Yeah, this is probably the one thing that we'll agree
on in this interview.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
So you think it's a mountain to climb, but it's
worth a crack to see if you can do it,
and it's better than doing nothing. Absolutely, Okay, re break
More in a Moment, Mark Mitchell, Camel Zippeloni thirteen past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Sixteen past eight Camel Zippolonian for Jinny this week along
with Marke Mitchell. Of course, Mark, you're in the news
this morning. Are these briefing papers to you suggesting that
your emphasis on youth crime getting it down to reliant
on the police, not enough on early detection or early
intervention agencies. You say, what, they've.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
Definitely got I mean, I'm focusing on the police as well.
Obviously I'm Minister at Police, but and they're doing an
outstanding job. But yes, they haven't always been supported well
by other agencies and we've got to focus on that
as a government to make sure.

Speaker 19 (01:06:12):
That that changes.

Speaker 6 (01:06:13):
Look, every agency has got a role to play, and
my position as policeman is just quite simply been to
step up and play your role, because you know, the
police are doing their job. They are detecting, they are
to investigated, they are arresting offenders, they are opposing bail
and then they straighten their count and reoffended.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
That's the judicial side of the equation. We had Brendan
Crompton on earlier from Blue Light. He said, that's all fine,
but the police come in and so he was talking
about your military academies as well. That's effect and that's fine.
But what he was saying is if you get the
kid earlier in the intervene earlier, you don't need all
of that. I mean, And that makes sense to a degree,
doesn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
No. I agree, And you know, Blue Lights they're doing
an outstanding job. They've been around a long time and
they invest in not just our kids that are going
on the playoffs, but I award the ones that are
doing well too. But listen, the reality is this might
is that a lot of these programs are very effective
for the eighty or ninety percent the due to youth
and juveuil offenders. The ones that we're talking about are
the recidivist violent youth offenders, the ones that are responsible

(01:07:11):
for multiple aggravated robberies, and we need a really serious intervention,
and that is taking them out of the community where
they're creating the arm and then investing in them so
they can come back and they got the best chance
of making good decisions in their lives instead of bad ones.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Carmel, let me ask you this Q two ended as
this action plan for the government. Q three came into
play this week, so Q two. One thing they didn't
do was Tepa king. They couldn't get the consultation underway
when you as opposition, now look at that. So you
put it together, they're deconstructing it. What do you do
if you get back and do you put it back
together again? And how long does that pattern go on for?

Speaker 21 (01:07:44):
Are you still talking about the youth? No picking yeah, ah, yeah, Well, I.

Speaker 25 (01:07:50):
Mean it's a mess at the moment.

Speaker 21 (01:07:52):
You know that the government don't really have a plan
for what they're going to do in the space. You
know what we saw when we came into government and
two thousand and seventeen was a polytech environment and landscape
that was in deep trouble financially, they were not sustainable
and we had to come up with a plan. It
was the creation of Tippukinger. The government have not allowed

(01:08:14):
that to continue and to actually reach the benefits. So
now they turn it on its head with no plan
moving forward.

Speaker 26 (01:08:20):
But that's question we start back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
That's my question. You're watching them, you're watching them. Forget
the politics. You don't agree. I get that, but you
put it together. They're pulling it apart. What do you
do next time round put it back together again?

Speaker 21 (01:08:32):
I mean that that is going to have to be
a discussion that we have over the over the next
couple of years. We're not in a position to announce policy,
but they have turned it upside down unnecessarily. They should
have just continued with the trajectory that Pukinger was on
to ensure that we had, you know, an educational tertory
landscape that was going to work for New Zealanders, and

(01:08:53):
they haven't done that as well as that, you know,
disestablishing the workforce development councils, disestablished, doing the regional skills
leadership groups, all of the things that we're going to
help with actually providing a coherent workforce training a landscape
across the country so that we've got people who can

(01:09:14):
access the skills and training that they need to be
able to take up the jobs that are there.

Speaker 6 (01:09:18):
Mike Carmel was right that it was it was a
complete mess. It wasn't financially sustainable. And Penny Simmons, who
of course has got a big background experience in this field,
is doing a lot of work to make sure that
we do have a world class bag.

Speaker 21 (01:09:33):
I'm saying the system.

Speaker 6 (01:09:35):
That financial that is financially sustainable because Carmel, you guys
made a real hash of it.

Speaker 21 (01:09:42):
So in twenty seventeen Marks and then we were.

Speaker 6 (01:09:48):
A triple.

Speaker 23 (01:09:51):
It is you down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Again, So many hashes, so little time. Chris Sipkins in
his TV cabinet, be honest, Carmel, will you genuine the
impressed with that? I'm sorry Chris Hopkins in his TV cabinet.

Speaker 21 (01:10:06):
And its TV cabinet are.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
You're not up on the Chris Hipkins TV cabinet story.

Speaker 21 (01:10:11):
See the social media and I mean it just goes
to skillful and you know, hidden talents. Our leader of
the Labor Party, the leader of the Labor Party head.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
I'm not sure, Mark, can you build a TV cabinet
from scratch?

Speaker 21 (01:10:29):
I don't think he could put one of those together, as.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
Long as the keys of the good to go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Nice to see you both appreciate it very much. Calvil
Cephaloni and Mark Mitchell. If you missed the story, I
was going to use the word loosely, but it was
in the mainstream media. He took chippy. Part of my
problem is he's clearly got a lot of time on
his hands because putting together a from scratch television cabinet
is a multi hour project, so he's probably on leave

(01:11:01):
as well. Carmel Sepeladi Mark Mitchell a twenty two.

Speaker 19 (01:11:04):
He had a few things on.

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so he's constructed his own cabinet. Mike, I think if

(01:12:18):
you take a close look at Chippy's TV cabinet, the
leagues aren't right. It leans to the left of it.
I bet Mark Mitchell's TV cabinet is a couple of
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(01:12:39):
the listeners. By the way, Mike, in England, you must
ask permission first. From principle, they have the right to
refuse you to zoning. You can lose your child place. Well,
what they do is I understand, is that they find
you if you take your kid out of school and
without permission, they can find you. And the problem with
that is that people with money go fine or pay
the fine.

Speaker 9 (01:12:55):
If the fine is less than the extra cost of
the precise and the accommodation exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
And there are lots of people who take the kids
around the world and go I took my kid on
a nineteen day holiday round the world, and they learn
more in those nineteen days, and they've learned in eighteen years.

Speaker 9 (01:13:11):
At school, they were googling what was it before? Cultural immersion?
Is that what we're okay? Where they're doing? Forest?

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Don't ask me anything that happened before forest, forest swings,
forest bathing.

Speaker 9 (01:13:22):
Forest bath, forest bathing, and cultural immersion.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
As much as I make fun of that sort of stuff,
I'm into that. Grounding. I'm into grounding, forest bathing. I'm
sort of into I happen to have a forest, as
it turns, well, sounds like I got a copy, does it.
I got a couple of hundred trees on the side
of the property. You stand in amongst that you can
feel the benefit. The only thing I don't talk about.

Speaker 9 (01:13:44):
We sound like Prince sorry king charge.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Yeah, well, I don't talk about it often because Oprah's
got a forest as well, and she's and she's a
nut job and so I don't I don't want to
come across as crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:13:54):
Don't worry, it'll never happen.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Do I come across this crazy? Just a little bit
craisy news for you, and then we'll cross the Tasman
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Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Trusted source for news and fews, the Mike Hosking Breakfast
with Bailey's Real Estate doing real estate differently Since nineteen
seventy three, News togsad Be Mike have.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Been taking a daughter out of school in our early
weekly for three years to go horse riding. The hour
drive there and back has been the best all of
last problems to sort of. There're so true, Linda, the
old school run. Kids unload on the school run, don't they?
And it's one of the great joys of life. Mike.
My kids have a production on at school this week.
This is all they've done so much for the one
hour reading, writing and maths today could have quite easily

(01:14:36):
taken the kids on holiday. Got a bit of that
feedback and there's something in that as well. Twenty three
minutes away from.

Speaker 13 (01:14:40):
Nine International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance Peace of
Mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
See Price from Australia. Good Wednesday morning to you. Good
day there, Mike ms Payman. What I want to know
from you before you tell us the story, because I've
been following this with a great deal of interest and
it's all turned to custard. Was she, prior to what's happened,
a trouble maker or was she one of those quiet,
diligent people who on this specific issue, an issue alone,
suddenly blew up and the whole thing's gone pear shaped.

Speaker 18 (01:15:09):
The latter.

Speaker 19 (01:15:09):
She comes from Wa, and there's not a large Muslim
population in Western Australia as compared to places like Sydney Melbourne.
No one had ever heard of her. She was a
twenty five year old. She was placed third on the ticket,
the Labor ticket. So when you each state delivers a
certain number of senators, the Labor Party out of Wa

(01:15:31):
normally delivers too. And at the last election, which Anthony
Albernezi won, she managed to pick up a spot even
though she was third on the ticket, and that means
she has a five year term, so four and a
half years to go probably in the Senate, and no
one had ever heard of her, so all of a sudden,
Senator Fatima Payman is Anthony Albernesi's worst nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
And she now is is a twofold problem because she's
threatened to do all sorts of things and after she
crossed the house. But he looks weak by not dealing
to her in the first place, doesn't he.

Speaker 19 (01:16:04):
In the first instance, he said, oh, you can't come
to caucus next week. That was it, That was I think.
Then he dragged it down to the lodge on Sunday
figuratively not actually, and said, look, in fact, you're out
of caucus full time now, and you've got to promise
not to cross the floor. She wouldn't give that undertaking,
And so now she is being duchess to go independent.

(01:16:26):
The Greens would love to get their hands on her
because that would increase their numbers in the Senate. She's
right within her rights to do that. As a senator.
She can walk away from the Labor Party. And now
we've got this bloat called Glenn Drury, who is known
as the preference Whisperer because we have preferential voting in
this country. As quickly this guy goes around to all
these little independents, he works a deal so they all

(01:16:48):
preference each other and you low your primary votes, very low,
but you get in because you get all these preferences.
If that happens, then Anthony Albanize has got a ruled
numbers problem exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
And so what's he going to do?

Speaker 19 (01:17:02):
Knowing nothing you can do now? And there are many
within his own party who have apparently been speaking to her,
some supportive, some not. There was a word bullying thrown
around a twenty five year old woman. She wears a
he jab, she's a Muslim, and he can't do a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Jeez, okay, then you got your housing, by the way.
A couple of real quick things. Speaking of Albanezi, he's
not going to the NATO meeting in Washington. Is this
because everyone calls him airbus elbow and he's sick of
being called the airbus elbow. It would look really bad
if he went to yet another overseas trip.

Speaker 19 (01:17:34):
Well, that's one of the theories. The other one is
he's going to call an early election and so he
wants to be back here traveling around the country telling
people what a great job labor's doing. But it's a
silly decision. I mean, a lot of people, me included
criticized him for doing twenty three trips in his first
year as Prime minister. But this NATO meeting when you think,
when you think about it, we're not a member NATO.

(01:17:55):
We'd be on the sidelines. But you could have a
brand new British Prime minister by Friday, so Keiths Starmer
so they're one of our biggest allies, were in aucust
with us. That would be an opportunity to sit down
as a labor colleague and talk to him. He should
be there. Got Franklin still.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Talk to me about housing because I read a very
interesting piece the other day that the projections for next
year as prices will continue to rise, continue to rise,
continue to rise pretty much all over Australia, you're not
building enough. Is how big an angst does that for
your average Australian.

Speaker 19 (01:18:25):
Natief executive Andrew Whoever last week said it's the biggest
problem in the country. It's a supply problem and they've
done some numbers to suggest that if we want a
de cater for the current population growth and the immigration intake,
we would need to build a house in this country
every two minutes. Now, that equates the six hundred homes
have built a day as of July one, a five

(01:18:47):
year promise from Labor kicked in Mike, which was to
build a million homes. We're not doing it, simply not happening,
and we don't have the construction workers, we don't have
the supply, and we don't have the planning permits being
a great anted quickly enough by local councils, and so
we have a big problem, and we're trying to bolt
suburbs onto big places like Melbourne and Sydney. I went

(01:19:09):
west yesterday to a suburb called Tarnat which had just
been basically farmland turned into houses that all look the same,
not a tree in sight, no soul, and that's where
we're planking people. And we're not building enough of these joints.
And so we have a real issue in this country
and I'm just not quite sure not the opposition don't
have an answer to decide it. By the way, one

(01:19:32):
of the things we've got to do, and it's unpalatable
for politicians, is stop immigration for some period of time
and let ourselves catch up. But no one's brave enough
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
No interesting Also, on your vape laws, we're having that
had the same debate at the same time last governor
of this government, they sort of did a few things,
but probably not what they should have, and everyone was saying, here,
look at Australia, let's do what Australia did. And then
the next thing I read the Greens back out of it,
or they do some weird deal in the Senate and
it's not turned out to be what they wanted to be.

Speaker 19 (01:20:02):
As of Monday, you're supposed to only be able to
buy a vape, that's any vape from a pharmacy. As
of September one, you'll have to have a prescription to
buy that vape. But up until September you can only
go to a pharmacy, so a chemist and buy a vape.
I went into a vape shop at Tarnique where I
was yesterday, said that the woman what sort of apes

(01:20:24):
she got? She said, what flavor do you want? As
a smoke shop, not a chemist shop. And this is
one woman in a shopping center out you know, twenty
five kilometers west of Melbourne. I could have done that
in any vape shop anywhere in Melbourne. And guess what
the police say, Well, Victoria Police say this is a
health problem, it's not a criminal problem. We're not going
to police it. You can do it yourself. Bugger off,

(01:20:44):
we're not doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Hey quickly. The live export thing, you're stopping it as
of whenever it is twenty twenty eight. Has has that
been a great debate or not really?

Speaker 19 (01:20:55):
Well, it should be, but it hasn't been. I mean
the live export a sheep out of principally wa Is
where they go from, has declined. Some estimates put it
as declined by ninety percent. But there are Middle Eastern
countries that don't have refrigeration these assets so that they
can take meat that's already been butchered and frozen. So

(01:21:16):
it is a big issue. It's still worth a couple
of billion dollars in export trade, and it's going to
be a problem for the government because the farmers make
a lot of noise.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Yeah mate, go well, catch up next week. Appreciate it
very much. They're handing out. So that was the labor
government who wanted to get rid of it, which they
have so May twenty eight. As in twenty twenty eight,
it stops people who lose our ee farmers get money.
Coalition says they'll flip it back sixteen to two. The
make Hosty Raference thirteen Away from nine. Mike two thousand
and six took our nine year old out of school

(01:21:46):
for six months express approval from the school. Trip was
three months touring Europe, three months touring Australia, countless museums,
council's churches, exhibitions, experience, lots of culture and nature, et cetera.
It's the old story. Our daughter's learned a huge amount forever.
She continued with school, always excellent results, as did she
with her bachelor at University biotechnology a's and a pluses,
as she did with her masters with an A. Now

(01:22:07):
she's working in a very good, well paid biotech job.
I think there are kids on a pathway out. There
are many. Any parent understands that there are kids who
will struggle. There are kids who will do okay, There
are kids who will do exceptionally are there are kids
who are bright, who you could take out of school
for eight of the nine years at school and they'd
still pass exams and sort of. And that is the
individuality of the story that never really gets captured in
the averages. Speaking of technology, I've read this what turned

(01:22:30):
out to be a fascinating piece yesterday and the BBC
about the speed of Internet and what they're working on,
and it involves the Hadron collider, which I'm endlessly fascinated with.
But it was within the Hadron collider they set up.
These two guys set up a data link between Switzerland
and the Netherlands, which is where the storage site was.
The storage site data storage sites and the Netherlands hadrons
in Switzerland. Anyway, the link could reach speeds of eight

(01:22:53):
hundred gigabytes a second, which is eleven thousand times your
average broadband eleven thousand times, and so that was exciting.
So they confirmed that using some special equipment lent to
them by Nokia. But they're also out there at the moment,
not the same guys, but different people looking to see
how fast data can go. And they're reaching many many

(01:23:14):
petabytes per second, which is three hundred million times faster
than your broadband connection, three hundred million times faster. So
fast they've got to the point now no one can
work out why you'd need it, which is quite cool
to think about, isn't it. They've got other cables to

(01:23:36):
data centers in the Netherlands. So the cable they were
working out is all to do with light. So the
cable length was sixteen one hundred and fifty k's from
Geneva to Paris, then to Brussels, then finally to Amsterdam.
So part of the challenge in reaching the eight hundred
gigs was in beaming pulses of light along the way. Now,
due to the distance, the power levels of that light decrease,

(01:23:56):
so you have to amplify it at different locations. But
they're working on speed. At some point we'll get to
a point where it's so good, so fast there will
never be another problem again, which is interesting, isn't it.
And then we come to the guy, thank goodness, guy
called Ken Griffin, who's the founder and CEO of Citadel.
He's remaining skeptical that artificial intelligence could soon make human

(01:24:19):
jobs obsolete. So once again I think I've been proven
to be right. An idea comes along, it gets a
little sticky, people get a former group and go, this
is going to change the world. This is going to
tip it upside down. This is going to take over
all the jobs in the world. This is going to
be incredible. What's this space That idiot from SoftBank the
other day who said in ten years time, they're going
to be ten thousand times smarter than it has already

(01:24:40):
and replaced all the jobs. That sort of madness, and
then somebody else comes along. In this case it's Ken
Griffin has a bit of a look at the evidence.
So far as he goes, some are convinced that within
three years, almost everything we do as a human will
be done in one form or another by AI tools,
he says, and I think he's one hundred percent right.
Machine learning tools do not have their limits. They do
not well. Listen to this. They do not do well

(01:25:01):
in the world where regimes shift, and you think about
self driving cars don't do well when they hit snow
because they've never hit snow. The terrain has changed. They
don't know what to do. Of course, you can program
it for snow and you go, oh no, I'll just
go program it for snow. Then something else will happen.
A sidewind will come along. I am dealt with the sidewind.
Then you'll just pray and so it goes. So I
think he's probably onto something. Night away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
All them Mike Costing, Breakfast with Fasts and news dogs EBB.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
My temperatures and rarato are twenty two degrees low thirty
four degrees high. Not at the moment, they're not at
twenty two degrees high for the day. I have just checked.
If you want to buy a sports team, I've got
one for you. It's the Boston Celtics. They're on the market.
Announced overnight. A company called Boston Basketball Partners LLC are
the ownership group. They put it up for sale, which
is a remarkable thing because they brought them back in

(01:25:49):
two thousand and two for three hundred and sixty million dollars.
I'll come to their price tag in just a couple
of moments. So remember three hundred and sixty million back
in two thousand and two. But the game has changed
since then. What is remarkable about this is that the
Boston Celtics just won the NBA the other day. In fact,
I think it was their eighteenth or nineteenth title. I
think it was their eighteenth title. Anyway, they were a
very successful team. Last team that I know that was
sold was the Washington what are they called? They work

(01:26:11):
called the Redskins Commanders, not not the Wizards. No, well
they could have been the Wizards. There is a Wizards,
and not it was the Commanders, Washington Commander's got sold. Yeah,
the Redskins used to be called the Riskins. Can't say
Ridskins anymore, Sam, stop it. They're the Washington Commanders. Is
why do they change their name?

Speaker 9 (01:26:26):
You Wouldiot get out?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Stop it? And he's the young one anyway. They sold
for six billion dollars and they're the worst team in
football anyway. The Boston Celtics, which are the best team
in basketball. They are for sale. They expected to be
completed by early next year. They want high sevens billion.

(01:26:51):
Good luck. Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Trending now with the Chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
All year round, Jonathan Pies and news character in it's
played by a guy called Tom Walker. We've hit him
on the program before. So this is the UK polling
days close Thursday Friday, our time. He's done a recap
of the last fourteen years of the Tories.

Speaker 27 (01:27:12):
Fourteen years. Five prime ministers, seven chancellors, eight foreign secretaries,
thirteen culture secretaries, one of whom was Nadine Doris, a
woman so stupid she thinks Channel four is a brand
of perfume. Eight home secretaries, including Grinning Exorcist Doll, Pretty Patel,
Sajid Javid James, hilarious rape jokes, cleverly and far right

(01:27:32):
pin up Suella Bravman Twice she sounat cut taxes on
Champagne on the same day he cut funding to rebuild schools,
and he wants to bring back national service. What else
are they going to bring back? Grandstand spam on the
National health snickers? Going back to Marathon, I look forward
to voting these incompetent, hubristic grifters out, and I hope

(01:27:55):
they spend a very long time in the wilderness and
have a really good think about what they just did.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Mike, if you listen to only one thing that you
listened to Joe Rogan podcast with Terrence Howard, light speed
Internet is nothing, you'll be blown away with what he says.
I might take you up on that. I have been
watching a little bit of Owning Manhattan, which is a
new program on Netflix. It's reality television on real estate.

(01:28:22):
I'm moderately disappointed, not completely disappointed, but moderately disappointed, to
the point where I'm giving you a watchhit, but don't
blame me. Warning you might enjoy it, you probably won't.
There's enough housing in there to make you think, oh,
that's quite cool, but there's a lot of idiots in there.
Ryan sir Hant story, he's interesting. The rest of them marn't.

(01:28:44):
But that's my top tip for the day. If you're
a bit bored for this Wednesday, back tomorrow morning, six am,
Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
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