Full Show Podcast: 30 October 2024

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Wednesday 30th of October, we get the pros and cons of the Government's self-certified building consents scheme from different industry professionals. 

The lab-grown diamond business is booming in this country. So, can you tell the difference? And will they flood the market? 

Kieran McAnulty and Mark Mitchell cover off Ginny's social media faux pas, the building consents, and whether the Speaker is ruining Question Time on Politics Wednesday. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're trusted home for news, for its entertainments, opinion and
Mike the my Hosking breakfast with the range rover villa
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Being any welcome, you don't make any easier for the
traders to get on with the job. Ironically, we've also
got a new report into how hard it is to
make small business work, new stats on kids who don't
go to school and what ultimately they cost us. Politics Wednesday,
after rates the Price in Australia. Richard Arnold on the
trail in the States asking it is seven past six,
Welcome to the day. Kia Starmer's budget tonight. Of course

(00:31):
he's got a lot on his plate. Hes just back
from Chogham, where too many people for his liking. We're
insisting on talking about slavery and how Britain knows literally
trillions of dollars. Britain doesn't have trillions of dollars, of course,
and opening that particular can of worms as a road
to fiscal ruin. If you think the White tanging process
has been tortuous for this country, you ain't seen nothing
yet on slavery. Even the King cognizant of what it

(00:52):
might mean if they go down this never ending track, said,
no one is capable of changing the past anyway. Not
just that for stuff, but also his lack of popularity.
It's been a long time since the prime minister has
won an election so spectacularly and squandered the honeymoon so quickly.
Part of his problem is the issue most labour governments
in Western democracies seem to have the line they walk

(01:13):
between what is perceived as a labor party and the
modern world. We've seen it here, we're seeing it in
Australia currently. Elbow is also famously unpopular. And in Britain,
where the budget will involve tax increases, labor parties love taxes.
Except Starmer promised he wouldn't increase taxes for working people.
And then that lies the problem. What is a working person?

(01:35):
He can't and hasn't been able to define it historically.
Of course, it's a unionized grafter, a minor, a trucky,
someone who works in the steel mills, but those days
are largely gone. What it really is, but they can't say,
is a rich prick. Cullen famously said it here, of
course by a mistake, but that's who they're after. But
the problem with modern economies is working people can become
rich pricks. Not every working person. In fact, increasingly few

(01:58):
are destined to a life of low wages. Modern democracies
allow many to start at the bottom and work their
way to the top. New Zealand, like Britain, like Australia,
is full of people with businesses and homes and badgers
and god for bid European cars who've actually done quite
well for themselves. You would like to think that sort
of thing is encouraged, but that's the modern problem with
labour parties. They're stuck in the past and self made

(02:19):
success isn't celebrated. It's text. And we will see how
tortuous that path they tread is tonight in the UK.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Wow News of the World in ninety seconds, doing.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
The pressures on the Chancellor, laying it on thick in
terms of how bad it is.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
We inherited a twenty two billion pound black hole in
the public finances and we will set out the detail
of that at the budget tomorrow. But because of that
we've had to make very difficult choices.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
By increasing texts they claim they can improve.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Health, there will be people waiting on trolley's in corridors
this winter. I can't turn that sit situation around that fast.
What I can say is that we are going into
this winter with NHS leaders able to prepare for winter
rather than preparing for strikes.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
In the US rights the Trump's back at Marilango making
some climes that may or may not be true.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
The election itself is going very well.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
We're leading.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
I believe in all seven swim suits, so I appreciate
everybody's work.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
And the spirit is unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
I don't think there's ever been anything like in it.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Upper Michigan Leadiums have got problems with some boaters over
the war in the Middle East.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
If I think mister Trump will do something for what's
going on in because Dan, probably I'll work for him.

Speaker 8 (03:35):
I just don't like what Kamala Harris is doing right
now when it comes like Israel and Palestine.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I don't know if Trump is going to help so much,
but I know he's not going to support it the
wace he is. What's with the space music and the
actual Middle East. Plenty of fall out from the Israelis
move on the UNID agency.

Speaker 9 (03:48):
This decision brings down an agency, a UN agency that
has been leading to him in attended response, especially in
Gaza since the start of this current genocide and this Gaza.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
But the israelis not short on accusations.

Speaker 10 (04:05):
Every single terrorist that carried out the outrages which they
did on October the seventh, the rapes, the beheadings, the
burning of families, every single one of those people were
graduates of the UNRA education system.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Finally, news from the Art World twenty nineteen. You may
remember this. Three pieces of art were sold for a
couple hundred thousand dollars each. They were a banana taped
to a wall with duct tape that was called a
titled comedian. Those who won the bid had to remove
the duct tape and the bidder was given the banana
and a piece of tape separately. But now, believe it
or not, it's back South Peces have announced that one
of the three editions is going back on sale. The

(04:43):
bid winner will receive a role of duct tape and
one banana, as well as a certificate of authenticity saying
presumably this is a piece of duct tape and a banana,
and of course official instructions on what to do with it.
By way of installation estimated at this time, they're looking
for somewhere between one point seven and two point five

(05:03):
million dollars. News of the World in ninety how you
want to find a upbig country. Confidence in America is
booming overnight one thirty eight. One hundred is positive and
up at one thirty eight they are virtually fizzing. Well,
look at this more in a moment. Twelve minutes past.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
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Speaker 2 (05:28):
You'll be thrilled to know that Addie Das and Ya
Kanye West have cut a deal. This is the yeasy business.
It's been going on for years. It's embarrassing they finally
come to a conclusion. No money changed hands, but I
don't think they're friends. Fifteen pass six telling her good morning,
Very good morning, Mike Jobs, talk to me. How are

(05:49):
we going?

Speaker 6 (05:50):
Yeah, well, we mentioned the jobs market yesterday morning.

Speaker 8 (05:52):
I mean I was talking about consumer confidence and I
speculated that consumer confidence may be affected by the weakening
jobs market. Now, yesterday Stats New Zealand released what is
called the Monthly Employment Indicator.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
This gives us a measure called filled jobs.

Speaker 8 (06:07):
We get the big official read on the labor market
next week there on the sixth and November. That's Household
Labor Force Survey, Labor Costs Index, Quarterly Employment Server, all
those surveys. The monthly employment indicator a bit different because
it comes from income tax.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Data, it's not a survey.

Speaker 8 (06:22):
Now, employment by this measure was flat in September, so
the monthly change zero point zero percent, so it was
the same as the previous month.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
Now, if I look at the.

Speaker 8 (06:33):
Annual change, we're now seeing a fall in the number
of filled jobs of zero point nine percent and in
number terms circer approximately twenty thousand fewer jobs than a
year ago. Now, recently we've seen a sort of a
trend of down revisions as data August was revised down.
So if that trend continues, that would put the September
number into the negative. Just looking at the breakdown, construction

(06:56):
sector over the year down five percent. Admin and support
series A work as that's down six point eight percent.
Healthcare is growing though. That's a little bright light in
the employment sector. And actually my last week I attended
a presentation by Australia's most celebrated celebrated statistician and demographer
He basically said, age care. That's going to be the

(07:18):
biggest job in Australia as time was honest, we age
Now we've got jobs number next week. We're expecting or
speculating once again that that employment rate could have a.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
Five on it. So around the five number, right?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
What about gold?

Speaker 11 (07:33):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
When does that stop?

Speaker 12 (07:35):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (07:35):
Who would know?

Speaker 8 (07:36):
I dutifully read out the gold price every morning. We
tend to and look like we tend to talk about shares,
we talk about the economy and interest rates.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
In the last couple of years, the.

Speaker 8 (07:44):
Investment market has seen a real rise in exposure to
what we call alternative assets, so everything that isn't cash. Shares,
bonds and commodities and precious metals are part of that
mix and this is really growing in terms of its
presence and investor portfolios. In terms of acidelic so gold.
There's been a very healthy rise in the price of gold.
Now the price convention we use as an ounce the

(08:06):
cost of announcing US dollars, so there's currency factor here at.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
Play with you coming from New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (08:11):
But this year the price has risen from two thousand
and sixty three US dollars at the beginning of there
to two thousand, seven hundred and sixty four dollars. That's
a thirty four percent rise, so a very healthy move
so far this year in the price of goals. So
what's kind of happening? Because gold doesn't really have a U.
I mean, you're using jewelry some industrial applications. The key
feature of those that's seen is a store of value,

(08:33):
a hedge against uncertainty and inflation, So a store of
value at uncertain times. Right now, we've got significant uncertainty
in terms of the fiscal sense, because governments around.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
The world are spending a heck of a lot of money.

Speaker 8 (08:45):
Not here, but I think the US, you've got economic uncertainty,
you've got geopolitical uncertainty. So one of the key supports
this year, Mike, has been central banks buying gold. Central
banks are building up their stock, and in particular the
big player you probably already know this, it's the Chinese
Central Bank. The Chinese Central Bank is being villain it.
So it sort of plays about these concerns about what

(09:08):
we call fiat currencies, so the real currencies that we use,
and a potentially reflects an underlying concern about the ongoing
reserve currency status of the US dollars, so we measure
everything in US dollars.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Is they are borrowing so much money, they're running that.

Speaker 8 (09:23):
Such a big physical deficit that if that was to
continue unchecked over time, it potentially leads to a debt
spiral for the US. So it's you know, looking out
a long way in the future. So they're buying a
lot of gold. I think Poland's in there as well.
I'm not sure why Poland's are buying gold. And plus
you're seeing this run into the retail side as well.
I think you can go into Costco. You can buy
gold bars in Costco, and there've been a run on them.

(09:44):
They can't keep up with them.

Speaker 6 (09:45):
And of course you can only they're doing platinum. You
can do platinum as well as gold. Go to Costco
get your platinum ritten.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Now, what are the numbers?

Speaker 8 (09:53):
So the Dow Jones US, Yeah, I said a consumer
commondents through the roof. But job starter was a bit
bit weak, what they called alt starter, so a bit
sort of bit each way there. The Dow Jones forty
two thousand, three hundred and thirty seven is down fifty points.
The sm P five hundred five eight four three. It's
up twenty points point three four percent. The NASDAK just

(10:13):
continues to grind higher. Eighteen thousand, seven hundred and five
is the mark. That's one hundred and thirty seven points
up three quarters of percent. Forty one hundred overnight lost
point eighty percent eight to one nine. The nick A
yesday gained three quarters of percent thirty eight thousand, nine
hundred and three. Shanghai Composite lost over a percent yesterday
three two eight six. The OSSI has gained a third

(10:35):
of a percent yesterday eight two four nine, and we
gained eleven points twelve thousand, seven hundred and eighty three
Kiwi dollar point five to nine five eight against the US.
Mike just continues to soften point nine oh nine two
against the OSSI, point five to five one seven euro
point four five eighty four against the pound, Japanese yen
ninety one point four nine gold. As I said, two thousand,

(10:56):
seven hundred and sixty nine dollars and Brent crude a
little bit lower seventy one dollars and nineteen cents.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Go well, mate, Andrew Kellahejmiwealth, dot Co, dot m z
pasking Circo software company good news, operating surplus and cash
flow positive for the first time in their existence, so
that's encouraging. The bought a company called Booking dot Com
in America, so they'll be bullish because it's always funded
by an American company. In christ Judge Airport, I note
yesterday a big contract. They're going to double their freight

(11:23):
handling capacity. And when you're doing that, you're bullish, and
I like bullish people. Six twenty one. You read News
Talks AB number one.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
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Speaker 2 (11:40):
A piece with Trump earlier on suggesting he was winning
the early voting. I might I might have something to
say about that in just a second. But he also
made this claim.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
He didn't know too much about what was happening. Maybe
that was exposed during the debate, and yet still the
way they took that away from him was not.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Was not right.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
It was it ray should it happened that they walked
in they said we're taking it away.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
They took it.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
They stilled the presidency of the United States. You can
call it a coup, you can call it whatever. But
they stole they went in like taking candy from a
baby's to Biden.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
He also claimed that he's leading in all the early
voting turns out, apparently, according to the University of Florida
Election lab not to be true. Early voting data shows
more Democrats than Republicans are voting in advance. There are
more registered Republicans voting early in Arizona, Nevada, North Carolina
than there are Democrats. But the surgeon Republicans casting their

(12:37):
ballots in the swing states could be a sign of
a boost for Trump. That's the upside. Or it may
simply mean that people who used to vote on election
day are showing up earlier than usual. So, in other words,
the summation there is no body knows six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
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Speaker 2 (12:57):
Except in Georgia, where they opened the votes earlier. Count
them nine times. I made that up Netflix. If One Wave,
What Have We Got for You? Six part mini series
about it and center from his go counting days to
as ten years and if One the crash at San Marino.

Speaker 11 (13:13):
Even before I got into a car, I already knew
I was born to raise.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I don't want to interrupt you.

Speaker 13 (13:24):
No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
It's always a pleasure to meet.

Speaker 14 (13:28):
Isn't it dangerous?

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Thorious?

Speaker 14 (13:30):
Like that rain puts the cars on the same level,
but not the drivers.

Speaker 9 (13:43):
Everything is wrong, the regulations, the media, the drivers, the
parent's factoring in tears.

Speaker 14 (13:49):
I don't waned to know how dangerous it is.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
They know.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
I need you to keep it under control.

Speaker 14 (13:56):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I'm sorry. If you were making a six part mini
series about it and Cener, what would you call it? Correct?
It's called Sena. Didn't they already call something senate? Wasn't
the documentary called Sener? Anyway? It's played by it. Yeah,
you could call it aton or then you'd be confused, though,
wouldn't you? Do you mean Senna yeaes Senna? Gabriel leon

(14:19):
Is he got introduced to Western audiences when he played
a driver in the Ferrari movie with Adam Driver. Did
that feature Sener? I can't remember. And Kaya Scudalario, who
you may have seen, and she was brilliant in the
Gentleman television series. And if you haven't seen the Gentleman
television series, that's well worth watching as well. It's got
nothing to do with motor racing, although there's a couple

(14:40):
of cars raced around a car park from memory. It's
out November the twenty ninth. Have I thoroughly confused you.
We'll talk about the building regulations in this country, the
government moving in the right direction, how much cheaper will
building a house be? More detail after seven.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
O'clock, the newspeakers and the personalities the big names talk to,
like costing, breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local experts
across residential, commercial and rural news talks head been oh.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Come, and they kind of followed me. He's published in
the New York Times, but also republished in the Sitting
Morning Herald. He's done another one of his articles, sort
of trying to summarize what's happening with the polls in
the States, some of which we'll get to with Richard
Arnold in just a couple of the moments. But the
more I read, the more we are sort of easy.
This morning edition basically says, if you look at the
poles nationally versus if you look at the polls in
the swing states, they're telling a slightly different story. But

(15:34):
if the polls nationally are wrong, but they're right in
the Swing States versus being wrong in the Swing States
and right nationally, you just don't know where you end up.
So in other words, no one's got a clue. Meantime,
back at Mary Lago.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
After two assassination attempts in just over three months, her
lies and her slanders are very shameful and really inexcusable.
And I can say that if I were president and
somebody was being threatened, openly threatened like they've threatened me,
I would say, if you do that, even if this

(16:08):
was an opponent, an opponent who I disliked, if you
do that, we will obliterate your entire country and it
would all stop.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
But they wouldn't make that stab there, Well there and
more from Richard Arnold shortly meantime, at twenty ten minutes
away from seven. We are a country of small business.
In fact, ninety sen percent of our economies made up
of small businesses. So we got some new insight for

(16:37):
you this morning on the issues that small businesses face.
Came out of a big multi sector pain point discussion
back in July. Business New Zealand did the work. They've
got a thing called Reducing Compliance Burden Report and the
CEO Catherine Riches with us on this Catherine Morning to you.

Speaker 15 (16:52):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
It was an association with the Business Innovation Employment People.
In other words, the government do the government want to help?
Because god knows how many interviews are done over the
years on small businesses who known about red tape?

Speaker 15 (17:03):
Yes, I think they do, and that's why this work
has created a really practical shopping list of changes that
can be made that can start helping small business almost immediately.
The report was excellent because businesses were very clear about
what their pain points were. They listed out a lot
of the issues. Some were new, some were not so new,

(17:25):
But with a Minister of Regulation, the Minister of Commerce
and Nicole McKee coming out, they're really clear they want
to make some changes.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Good how ideologically driven is all of this? In other words,
this government might want to help, but the next one
might not.

Speaker 15 (17:41):
Look a lot of the ideas on the list are
very practical because a lot of the debate about small
business ends up making vague, vague statements about we want
to cut red tape, but you've got to get into
the specifics about what you're actually going to do. So
this is a list of things that could make big
changes not such to small business generally, but to entire sectors.

(18:05):
For example, our hairdressers and barbers have been much ignored
throughout the last fifty years or so. Many of their
regulations date back to the Keith Holyoake's time. Now that's
a one point four billion dollar sector and we get
modern regulations for them. That could speed up an entire sector.
But it's a lot of other things, from employment agreements,

(18:29):
food control plants. An early childhood center has to get
a consultant and more or less to spend thousands of
dollars to help them serve sandwiches and cut apple.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
The scale of do we all come from the same place?
When you gather all the people in the room, do
we all go yep? Actually, you're right. It's too convoluted.
So we're starting with the right intent.

Speaker 15 (18:52):
We start with the right intent, But often policymakers make
things overly complicated because they're thinking about the big guys,
not how it's going to be aplemented by small business.
I mean things like the anti money launching rules. They
had good intensions, but it's ended up being a convoluted
process where you're having to prove who you are and
where you live almost every three months.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
That's absurd. The interesting thing I don't know if you
caught up with, was a story floating around yesterday about immigration,
which ties in with small business. You know, still trying
to get somebody into the country, still trying to get
a visa, it's too long. How much variability within the
government is therefore any given small business. In other words,
you can ring a department who's quite good in other
department are completely useless.

Speaker 15 (19:34):
Yeah, there is a lot of variability, and small business
just wants clarity. They just want to be able to
look things up and get a clear idea of what
they are supposed to do. And that's why one of
the suggestions was that all government departments should look at
things through the lens of the small business in terms
of the way they explained things. Immigration is a good example,

(19:55):
but equally employment issues, holidays at issues, fringe benefit tex
is a very good example. No, hardly anyone has some
more small business understands that.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
All right, nice to talk to you, Catherine, and I
wish you nothing but the very best in getting this
sorted out. Katherine Rich's the Business in New Zealand CEO
eleven weeks. I'll come back to this later at the
visas on immigration eleven weeks for employer accreditation, twelve weeks
for a job check, four months for a work visa.
I'm not proud of that in any way. Now, who

(20:27):
said that. I'm not proud of that in any way?
Who said that? The person in charge?

Speaker 1 (20:33):
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Speaker 2 (20:40):
Now, this is exciting. We've all been stuck in the
middle of no where, no phone signal at some point,
and it's incredibly frustrating. Obviously not overly surprising, though, given
forty percent of this country's land mass doesn't have cell
phone coverage. But that here's the good news is about
to change because One New Zealand is bringing satellite to
mobile technology to this country. So soon One New Zealand

(21:01):
customers with an eligible phone and mobile plan are going
to be able to send a text message from anywhere,
literally anywhere, as long as you can see the sky.
The service is going to give agricultural forestry workers, anyone
heading into our national parks are vital link to the
outside world in an emergency. So whether you're on the
water exploring the great outdoors, driving on a remote road.
One New Zealand customers are going to be able to

(21:22):
send and receive text messages. Texting is testing is happening
as we speak, and One New Zealand will be announcing
eligible phones and plans very shortly. In the meantime. Go
to one dot in Z forward slash SpaceX. There's your
clue one dot in z forward slash SpaceX for more information.
If the new house building regulations long overdue, and along

(21:45):
with many other keywis, we pray it will bring the
price down. We'll have a look at this through year
shortly fourteen to two.

Speaker 16 (21:50):
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New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Richard Arnold, Morning, Mike, Where are they? What are they saying?

Speaker 17 (22:00):
Final sprint? Has I guess both sides straining? Is that fair?
I think so. In a few hours, Carmala Harris will
deliver a big closing rally at the Ellipse near the
White House, the very spot where Donald Trump, back in
twenty twenty one, urged his followers to march on the
US capital. Some forty thousand people are expected, as she
will ask hervebackers to turn the page on the Trump
Europe while Trump is trying to get over his own

(22:22):
big rally, the one at Madison Square Garden in New York.
This square where he might have botched his own campaign finale.
As you've been saying, the selection is so close it
to all come bound to the battle down state of Pennsylvania.
That is certainly a possibility, and that is a place
where there are nearly half a million people of Puerto
rican To said, that's why the joke at the Trump

(22:43):
event by comedian Tony Hinchcliff, who often does those celebrity
race went down pretty flat when he called Puerto Rico
a floating island of garbage. There is a huge ongoing
backlash to this. The Democrats VP picked Tim Walls saying
this was not just a racist dog whistle, more like
a siren. Kamala Harris says this is more of the
same and maybe more vivid than usual. Donald Trump spends

(23:06):
full time trying.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
To have Americans point they finger at each other.

Speaker 18 (23:10):
Fans the fuel of.

Speaker 7 (23:11):
The hate and division, and that's why people are exhausted
with kem Well.

Speaker 17 (23:16):
The Trump rally joke was slammed by Bad Bunny and
Rookie Martin, as well as Jennifer Lopez, with a combined
social media following of three hundred and fourteen million people.
Good idea to insult folks and ask with their votes.

Speaker 12 (23:27):
Maybe not.

Speaker 17 (23:28):
Congressman Richie Torres says he is inclined to call the
comedian racist garbage, but adds to do so would be
an insult the garbage. Now we find the Trump aides
cut one joke from Hinchcliff's script. He planned to call
Harris the Sea Wood. They scratched that at the last moment,
but they knew the tone of things meantime. You had
some of the crazy nonsense from the rally yesterday. But
if not, I think is Elon musk He has palmed

(23:51):
around two hundred million dollars in New Zealand to a
Trump supporting pack. In US history, people like of Hearst
back in the day and Rockefeller, Carnegie, JP Morgan tried
to buy the US presidency. But musk Is is pretty
high on it. And here is a clip from the
world's richest man waving his arms around for Trump the future.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
It's gonna be amazing.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
You guys are awesome Honestly, this.

Speaker 8 (24:18):
Is like USA USA, USA, usaid.

Speaker 17 (24:24):
What yes, so elon pretending to be Tarzan.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Then we come to started out with the La Times.
Now we've moved to the Washington Post.

Speaker 17 (24:38):
Yes, an Amazon boss, Jiff Bezos, is trying to halt
the bleeding after he stepped into quash an endorsement of
Kamala Harris by the Post. Bezos pulling the endorsement at
the very last moment, and that timing is a key
part of the criticism he's getting for the move. The
La Times, is you note also held back from endorsing
anyone this time around owned by another billionaire. But in
the case of the Post, some two hundred thousand p

(25:00):
people have pulled their Washington Post subscriptions in protests. That
seems to be a lot of readers. Some editorial staff
also have quit, so the Post is dealing with a
real ongoing crisis over this. Dave Jorgensen, the Post self
described TikToker, issued this little video over a supposed Jeff
Bezos interview.

Speaker 19 (25:16):
Well, as you may know, I'm not a billionaire, yes,
and many of us billionaires own multiple companies. Yeah, we
know you own the Washington Post and Blue origin, which
happens to have billions of dollars in cloud computing contracts
with the federal government. So you're worried about retribution if
Trump would I didn't say that.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Enough said so yes, sir, mate, appreciate it. Richard arnld State. So,
by the way, later at polling has Harris. Currently this
is a polar pulse. Currently she leads in battleground states
worth forty one electoral College votes, twenty seven Trump is
in charge of, and the rest twenty six are effectively tied.
If you want to go to the betting market, Betfair

(25:54):
have gone and summarized bookmakers' predictions using live data and
the betting markets themselves. They have ever been so confident
in a Trump victory. So in sixteen Trump defined everybody
gave him only a twenty six percent chance of winning.
He did win. In twenty twenty gave him thirty four
percent chances of beating Biden, he didn't. This time around,
they've got him this morning sixty two percent chance of winning.

(26:18):
So if you put weight on, follow the money, he's
in nine away from seven on.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
My costal breakfast with the Range River Villa news talks
that had been.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Before we leave the States. I note that they've cut
a deal in Baltimore. Remember the ship ran into the
bridge in Baltimore. The owners of that ship that crashed
its Francis Scott Key Bridge, they've been ordered to pay
one hundred million dollars the Gray Ocean Private Limited and
Synergy Marine Private Limited. There the companies that owned the Daly.
And so they've cut a deal at last. And that

(26:48):
seems who have been sorted once and for all six
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well, the ins and the outs. It's the fizz with
business fiber take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Speaking of cars, speaking of America, a leading car brand
in the US, economist say, if you look at the
leading car brand in the US, they sort of you
get an indication as to how people are feeling about
the overall economy. So Ford is your brand. They've got
the best selling truck, have had the best selling truck
of the last forty two years, the F one fifty. Anyway,
Q three, what do we got? They brought in just
over forty six billion in revenue, which was higher than

(27:20):
the forty one point nine billion the street expected. That's
despite the fact that they had to find a couple
of billion in cost cuts and have continued to pay
hundreds of millions in warranty costs that cause them to
miss earnings and expectations back in Q two. So what's
that mean? That turns into nine hundred million dollars of
net income. Q three are led by their new pro
commercial and fleet businesses Ford Blue earned one point six

(27:43):
three billion. Whether they lose some money, I wonder where
they lost some money? Modelly that unit lost one point
and what's the E stand for? I hear you ask
not energy electric? That unit lost one point two to
two billion during the quarter. Is that bad?

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
They lost a little bit less than they lost a
year ago. But that's because basically they didn't sell as
many cars. So if you don't sell as many cars,
you don't bring any money. Just how that works. As
reading internationally, this morning end of the Road for electric
cars shocking chart reveals how EV sales have slumped. This
is globally. They're citing Tesla quarterly sales from four eighty

(28:22):
four thousand down to three eighty six thousand. Byd Their
global EV sales have crashed. First quarter sold three hundred thousand,
down from five hundred and twenty six thousand in the
last quarter of last year. I mean that's quite the four,
isn't from five to twenty six thousand down to three
hundred thousand, and then even Volkswagen. Volkswagen, they're a story

(28:42):
to follow because they're a major, major player in the
European car market, not to mention the EV market is
a story in and of itself. Volkswagen are now looking
at closing factories in Germany and of course that'll have
a material effect on the German economy. They're looking at
laying off workers. So they sold two andred thirty nine
five hundred evs and Q four of twenty twenty three,

(29:03):
and that's gone down the following quarter to one hundred
and thirty six So from two thirty nine down to
one hundred and thirty six thousand, So they are really struggling.
They've done some research into all of this. It's the
usual thing that reduced incentives all over the world that
you don't get the incentives used to get and the
uncertainty about resale value, and given the resale value is
not particularly good, people go, why would I bother? UK

(29:24):
government's going to ban the engines they're going to have
to review that by twenty thirty. Currently in the UK,
for example, only three point seventy five percent of newcow
sales the EV. So the EV market is a troubled
one building houses. Speaking of trouble, can we make it easier?
Let's have a look at the new rules in just
a couple of moments.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
The Breakfast Show You Can Trust, the mic Hosking Breakfast
with a Vita Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News TOGS DBS.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Seven past seven. So has some common sense arrived at
a building site near you? On average takes almost nineteen
months to get a house build and consented. So come
on in self certification. Some tradees will be able to
sort jobs for themselves. Builders at scale will have life
made easier.

Speaker 14 (30:07):
GJ.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Gardener, General Manager Oli Sunstrom is with us Oli morning,
Good morning, Mike. You like the sound of us broadly?

Speaker 7 (30:15):
Oh? Absolutely, you know. Look, firstly, you know, thanks for
having me. Yeah, I'd like to you know, behlf of
our business. Congratulate the current government for taking this first
step and making what we seem to be a common
sense prevails piece of legislation priority.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Do you see risk in it or not?

Speaker 20 (30:33):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Look, I think you know, there's there's certainly risk that
it needs to be calculative risk, and really that where
the measures that are set up and put in place
to manage the process, to manage the criteria needs to
be needs to be strict and visible.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
So what is it what they're saying about a company
like yours? As you build some of the homes all
the time, therefore, I've seen one, I've seen them all.
Is it about that, in other words, of you do
the same thing over and over again? Or is it
about you being good people who can manage yourself anyway
no matter what you build.

Speaker 14 (31:08):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (31:08):
Look, you know, certainly we consider ourselves to be good people,
no doubt about that. But really it comes down to
our build performance and what we delivered to our customers.

Speaker 11 (31:19):
You know.

Speaker 7 (31:19):
Might we have a very much approven track record in
this country and in this market. We've delivered right across
our national network over twenty three thousand homes to Kiwis
with every home that we've started completed, which says a
lot about our track record and the strict disciplines we use.
We're building track customers.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
How much of what you do you just stand there
and literally say, this is a waste of time in
terms of paperwork and compliance.

Speaker 7 (31:47):
Oh look, you know, there's no doubt that you know,
a lot of the bureaucracy and red tape that's involved
in some of these processes that we're talking about slows
this down fairly significantly, you know, and it's difficult when
you can't control some of those things. So yeah, look,
it certainly has an impact. And we believe that, you know,
with this proposed piece of legislation from from the current government,

(32:12):
that we can really you know, speed up the process
as it stands.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
What's the key benefit? Is it speed or is it
savings for the person buying the house?

Speaker 11 (32:22):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (32:22):
I think it's both, you know, you know, to give
you an idea, you know, pre but the red tape
challenges that we're talking about. We could build and hand
over a two hundred square meter home from one of
our concept plans. You know, I'm talking three bedroom, two bathroom.
We could deliver that home and you know circle forteen

(32:43):
fifteen weeks. You know, the delays we are talking about
can add forty to fifty percent of that time frame. So,
you know, with the right criteria, and it needs to
be the right criteria, you know, for builders such as
ourselves with a proven track record, you know, you know,
I don't see why we can't get back to these
time frames because it's the stairs product and material and

(33:05):
labor supply and not an issue.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Good on you, Mully, go well with it. Appreciate Olie Sunstrom,
who's with GJ. Gardner's Kieren mcinnaughty. I don't know why
he's the acting, but he's the acting in this particular portfolio.
And I not happens to be on the program updre
eight o'clock. He seems to be behind it as well.
So common sense might well win the day ten minutes
past seven passing, but not everyone's thrilled. So what are
the risks here of the New Zealand Institute of Building Survey,

(33:29):
As President Dave Clifton's with us, David morning, Yeah, good boy, Mike,
you for having it on in no worries at all.
Are you up against it in the sense that everyone's
just going to go, thank God for the some sick
of paperwork, let's get on with it, and you're going
to You've got a fairly tough old road a ho
here In terms of red flags.

Speaker 20 (33:47):
I think it's a case of we've got the devil's
in the detail and the other simplification that's come out
might be the issue. I mean, we've got to look
at the key issues here is that you know, the
talk of the consent very expensive and time consuming, and
they can be, but they also provide the consumer protection
that we need in the industry and in the construction sector.

(34:09):
And they provide the trust levels that consumers need that
things are being done properly. And I think when you
look at there are lots of really really good builders
out there, and there's some that aren't so good. And
I think we still have an issue of a high
failure rate of inspections within the industry. And we do
need to make sure that our education processes for builders

(34:32):
and consultants is up to scratch and that our sort
of continued professional development is there as well. I think
those are really important factors that need to be worked
on first before we start doing self certification. I think
it's something that we can work towards, but I think
it's something that we've got to work towards, not just
start doing. I think also there's mention of the professional

(34:55):
dentity insurance as far as we're aware that's not really
a perfe indemptory insurance market for this in New Zealand. Great, well,
it will be created potentially, but it's at the moment
it's it's not there, and it takes a lot to
trade a new market in this sort of space. Professional
indemnity insurance like we hold as redistive building surveyors is

(35:16):
as a as a high threshold, high cost element and
backed by international markets and the like. A large scale
design and build contracts have them, and they're they're expensive policies.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
That Sparky they still sertify.

Speaker 20 (35:33):
Yeah, I think, but when you look at the failure
rates that we see from those in that in that sector.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Specifically spark in my life, No.

Speaker 20 (35:44):
But the failure rates for those those people is incredibly low.
So Sparky's failure rates on inspections and also I think
it's very very low, whereas in general construction and we
still have very high rates of failure of inspections. And
that is the key for fundamental here. We have to
make sure that we're getting it right first before we
can go off and do it by our Would.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
You be convinced once we actually see the legislation and
what's going to get passed by way of law. Could
you be convinced that they're onto it, they know what
they're doing, and we could actually be improving things or not.

Speaker 20 (36:14):
Oh yeah, I think Look, it's all devi al of
the detail here, and it's all about just getting our
baselines and our foundations right, education, getting our inspection processes right,
getting our build processes right. If those things are created
in the right space, in the right way, and built
on then these things can happen. And you know, they'll
still need to be random inspections and audits and checks

(36:35):
to make sure that everybody is still playing by the
same rules and there aren't corder's cut and we don't
end up where we were twenty years ago exactly.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
David, appreciate it very much. David Clifton, New Zealand Institute
of Building Survey as fourteen minutes past seven. Yet quickly,
while I'm on housing, the rental prices for the month
rout we've hit an eight month low median price around
the country six thirty. It's down ten bucks of one
point six percent. Biggest decreases Marlborough down to their bucks,
Canterbury down twenty five Hawk's Bay down to six hundred

(37:04):
and ten bucks, down to six hundred and forty. Places that
have gone up Northland, Nelson, Tasman, Southland. But mind you
and south And you're still only paying an average of
four hundred and seventy five dollars a week, so it's
not the end of the world.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Fourteen past the Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talks at b.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Right oh, seventeen past seven. There's a new trend I
got for you and Jewel evill a new ish trend anyway,
lab grond diamonds, right, so they look real, but they
cost a fraction of the real thing. So how good
are they and what's it doing to the value of
the real thing if you've got the real thing? Holland
co owner Greg Hollins, Well, it's Greg Morning, Good morning White.
Correct me if I'm wrong, But I think lab grind
has been around for years, haven't They's just have they

(37:44):
suddenly improved in quality? Heints, we're all excited about them.

Speaker 13 (37:48):
Yes, Look, there actually nothing new about lab grown. Back
in the fifties, General Electric managed to figure out how
to create a labor and diamond.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Right between you like, can I tell the difference between
a one and a lab DROWND nowadays or not?

Speaker 14 (38:02):
No?

Speaker 13 (38:03):
The short answer is no, unless you're a gymologist and
you've got a magnification.

Speaker 11 (38:07):
You can see growth.

Speaker 13 (38:08):
Lines and a lab grown diamond, but you need pretty
pretty intense magnification to see that. So no, to the
naked eye, you can't see the.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Difference high quality one carrot real versus one carrot man made.
What's the price difference?

Speaker 13 (38:21):
Oh, it's significant, it's roughly half.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
So why would I buy real?

Speaker 13 (38:26):
Well exactly, But I would say that they're not everyone's
cup of tea. I mean, I've got customers that will
just absolutely don't want to even to look at a
lab grown for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
That might be, and others, I mean that's about snobbery.

Speaker 13 (38:38):
Yeah, potentially, yep, But no, there's no doubt about it.
They are an increasing trend and are they here to stay?
And lab grown diamonds are definitely an option for a
customer looking for anegagement rings.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I have followed this for a couple of years internationally.
The price of the real stuff, when you're dealing with
the VS and all those sort of people, The price
of the real stuff has come down because of all this,
hasn't it?

Speaker 11 (38:58):
Yes? It has?

Speaker 14 (38:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (38:59):
Absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
So how come because a diamond is a diamond is
a diamond, and that hasn't changed other than people's perceptions.
So it's the perceptions that's the price, that's all it is.

Speaker 13 (39:11):
Yeah, and the supply obviously to the lab growns, you know,
and we're seeing huge amount of supply coming through, so
the price of labrons has dropped as well.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Do people have a stigma when they come in and
go I'd like to when you're standing there with your
bride to be and they go, I'd like a real
one echo like lab ground? Can I do that? Does
it get it embarrassed?

Speaker 14 (39:31):
No?

Speaker 13 (39:32):
I mean the way our frame is like, the customer
has the choice obviously, so you know, I'll present with them.
You know, it might give you an option of have
a beautiful SAPPI for example, versus a natural diamond versus
a lab grown It's really a customer's choice. And as
long as there I like giving them acute information so
they know exactly what they're dealing with them how to
make an informed decision. That's the key to it.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
How's business generally?

Speaker 14 (39:53):
Look?

Speaker 13 (39:54):
I found it quite good this year. I've got very
loyal world customers, so yeah, there's always a demand for
for lex anniversary or significant birthday.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
So yeah, yeah, fantastic. Good on your Greg, Nice to
talk to you. Pass that one onto the newsroom. Were
you found a businessman who's doing well in diamonds? Say
you don't hear that too often? Tell you what, You're
not going to be able to afford a diamond if
you don't go to school. That's Mike's take this morning.
And there's a lot of kids not going to school still,
and the number of kids who aren't going to school

(40:22):
who are chronically absent has doubled at high school level
and tripled at primary school level, So what the hell's
going on there? More shortly at a seven twenty.

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O seven twenty four. Kind of odd. I thought that
it took Jeff Bezos to explain what I would have

(41:46):
thought was the bleeding obvious. So there is as if
you were listening to Richard Arnold earlier A two do
in the US election among the elites over a couple
of newspapers not endorsing a candidate. Now, this is a
very American thing. We don't do it here, Thank god,
we're very wise not to. It started with the Los
Angeles Times, who decided no endorsement would be made. This
led to one of the editorial board quitting and a
lot of whining. Then came the Washington Post. This is

(42:08):
the paper Bezos owns. The editor said it was their
call not to endorse. This was disputed. Several board members walked,
and allegedly a couple one hundred thousand subscribers as of
yesterday quit the paper, and a Beezos who wrote a
couple of self explanatory things. Firstly, he wished that no
endorsement move had come earlier, not in the heat of
the battle. He then pointed out, quite correctly, not a
single undecided voter ever anywhere had their mind made up

(42:32):
by a newspaper. And then, most importantly of all, he suggested,
once again quite correctly, the media is not trusted by
the American public, and wandering around pretending to be neutral
while endorsing people is not going to help their reputation.
Not surprisingly, both papers were going to endorse Harris, of course,
and whether from a point of view of true balance
or not, a media already seemed to be hopelessly left

(42:53):
leaning and in the Democrats pocket was not going to
tilt the balance their way by further enhancing the reputation
as anti Trump. The endorsement business comes, of course from
a different age, an age when paper is actually matted.
Some still do, but not many, and as the media
is diluted, it matters less and less. The problem with
the problem, of course, is those in the middle of
it still clearly suffer from another age old problem of

(43:16):
the media. Too many take themselves too seriously. I bet
many of them actually believe that people don't make up
their mind until they're told to. Many of them will
think an endorsement swings the race or moves the needle.
Many of them will think that Abezos as owner really
doesn't get to make the calls when guess what he does.
The upside might just be that a tired old habit

(43:40):
ie endorsement by newspaper might just have died in the
race of twenty four faskingm Ike spent several years in
the diamond industry. Blood diamonds were an hour, a complete myth.
The concept was created by the Bees after they bought
billions of them from rebels in various African civil wars.
Once the diamonds, you can't tell where it's from. Its
great industry built entirely on marketing, So good luck to

(44:00):
lab grown guys, Mike. The issues with the building inspectors
is that they and the counsels they work for are
so risk averse, and every inspector has their own view
and opinion. Couldn't agree more with you. I speak from
personal experience that depending on who you get on what
given day, and whether or not they're a nice person
or not a nice person or a pedantic pratt, depends

(44:22):
on what the outcome is. Mike. My wife has recently
bought a three carrot grind diamond, which cost her about
six thousand compared to sixty thousand for the real thing.
She's also sold to real diamonds. I think it's an
ethical thing to do. Well if you sell them to somebody,
what's ethical about that? The diamond still exists. No one saved.
You haven't saved anybody because of it. Somebody else that's
just got a nice diamond do they shine the same,

(44:44):
Yes they do. We all know what diamond Katie's got. Now, no,
you don't. Diamond that Katie wears is real diamond because
my love for Katie is real, real love, real diamonds,
so how Mike sees it. And you're never going to
be able to afford a diamond if you don't go
to school kids. So anyway, we'll talk about this in
just a couple of moments. The Er and Ruth Shanoda
is back with us and good news from Rugby. There

(45:06):
are more people playing, The registrations are up, so what's
going on there?

Speaker 14 (45:11):
What big news?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Bold opinions the mic Hosking breakfast with the range rovervillare
designed to intrigue and use TOGSB.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
The Australians have got their first COVID report out and
the findings are stark and worrying and probably importantly for us,
I doubt they will be anything different to what we
would have come up with, it says and I quote.
The most disturbing finding from the year long COVID inquiry
is trust among the Australian community has been eroded. So

(45:43):
I'll have more for you in just a couple of
moments on that twenty three to eight Politics Wednesday, Curre
Macinaty and Virginny and Mark Mitchell did the business upright
for you?

Speaker 10 (45:51):
Now.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Meantime, we've got a new look at the ongoing mess
that is school absinceaism by the age of twenty. The
er the Education Review Officers claims chronically absence students cost
the state three times as much as those going to school.
That stuff you would expect the cost in crime and
social housing, all that sort of thing. So last two
eighty thousand students were chronically absent. That's missing three weeks

(46:12):
in a term. At the head of Bro's education evaluation
see to Ruth Jerodisbeck. Well, this is Ruth, very good
morning to you. Good morning you depressed about this.

Speaker 18 (46:21):
Very We think we've got a chronic absence crisis. Has
bought the number of students of chonic absence in the
last decade and actually nearly trickled in primary school.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
How do you explain them?

Speaker 18 (46:32):
So students we talked to, so there's a range of
fact that half of them said their mental health and issues,
but being bullied at school and not feeling safe at
schools and issues or things going in their family lives,
for example, moving around a lot. But what we do
know is the support we've got in place to respond
to this is just not adequate and isn't adequately resourced.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
See what's interesting about this for me, apart from the
fact that it's depressing, is when this goes back to
twenty fifteen. So everyone up until now is blaming COVID.
Twenty fifteen's well before COVID. So something was going on,
wasn't it.

Speaker 18 (47:01):
Yeah, So we know that this has been growing since twenty fifteen.
So these factors that are contributing to a long standing
and we've got to have better support in place. Half
the schools don't refer to attendance services because attendant services
are often not effective because they're overwhelmed. Some of them
have got like five hundred student caseloads for a single worker.
It's just not enough.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Okay. So the caret and stick thing that's going on
with the current government about attendance and making schools all
that is that helping is then an approach that works
or not.

Speaker 18 (47:30):
We know that knowing where they are step attendance response,
where we're going to be doing more to understand what's
going on. Monitor them and act early. That is a
key part of it. But we're also saying we need
more effective, targeted support and we need to do more
to retain students when they do make it back to school,
and schools need to be funded and services need to
be funded to do this. There's some things we can
move off schools, for example, prosecutions or information sharing, so

(47:53):
schools could focus on what they do best, which is
working with the kids and their parents.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Is it solvable to the extentes that like crime? In
other words, it's all very well to get to the
kid and help them, but then they go back home
to where the problems started, and as long as you're
doing that bit, that's where you trouble lies.

Speaker 18 (48:10):
It's definitely solvable because we've looked at really effective systems
both here and abroad, and they are end to end.
But you're right, it has to be relentlessly removing those barriers.
Some of those are with parents and families, but some
of them is about the school. Students most often said
it was kind of school factors that stopped them going
to school, and parents also said they want to work
more closely to school, and we know school are doing
their best they're just not set up to succeed.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
I don't know how to put it at the light ay,
And you know, in other words, I don't like school,
I don't like the teachers, I'm bullied, all that stuff
we all went through that have we just become a
bit soft and that's suddenly a reason not to go
to school as opposed to it sucks, but that's life.

Speaker 18 (48:47):
What we talked to these students, it was more serious
things with mental health and also barriers like physical health,
because these are kids are missing three weeks a term.
It's not missing a day or two.

Speaker 14 (48:56):
Here.

Speaker 18 (48:56):
They've got really significant isshes, many of them, and we
need to work through that so that they.

Speaker 20 (49:01):
Can get back to school.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Segnificant issue. I mean we I mean, I don't want
to sound like a dinosaur, but we were all bullied
at school, weren't we. Every one of us was bullied
at school. We didn't call it mental health. It was
just we got bullied at school. Is that what you're
talking about, though, No.

Speaker 18 (49:17):
We're talking about a range of things. For example, and
if you're struggling with anxiety or issues like that, and
also if your family's moving around a lot. And I've
seen quite a lot of that. And if your family's
moving and you go into three or four different schools
a year, it's really hard to create those habits of
going regularly that help you succeed. And unfortunately you saw
in the report, if kids aren't going regularly, these students

(49:39):
are much less likely to succeed in life, less than
half of the end level two and by the age
of twenty five, nearly half for receiving a benefit rather
than being in work. So this education they're missing out
actually really damages their life chances.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
So no, none of that's surprising. Unfortunately, having said that,
is what you're saying that, because you've been around a while,
is life for a young person now profoundly different in
their interaction with school than it was thirty years ago
for example, something just just obviously different. Therefore we've got
these problems.

Speaker 18 (50:14):
What we're saying is it's a mixture of things. So
definitely students have got new pressures and new anxieties, and
we're seeing that across education and social media and other
things to put pressures. But we're also saying that somehow
in these in and we've lost this sort of importance
of education and across attendance. We're seeing that we're just
not taking going to school seriously enough, so there are
real barriers. But also with all of us got to

(50:35):
do more to get our kids going to school regularly
because the more you do it, there's the biggest predictor
of attendance is going to school regularly.

Speaker 13 (50:42):
It's a habit.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, I agree? Do we are we an outlier? I mean,
as Australia got the same problem we had, what about
Britain all that sort of stuff? Are we doing something wrong?
Or as every western country got the same.

Speaker 18 (50:53):
Issue, so we did look at that, and other countries
don't really measure chronic absence in the way that we do.
We do know attendance a class issue. In New Zealand
is one of the poor performers and we need to
do better. And this report, hopefully sais that how we
can because our really effective things that we can do
that will make a difference if we do it together.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Good stuff. Ruth appreciate company is always Ruth Shanoda, who's
the head of the eero's Education Evaluations Center. It is
seventeen minutes away from mate asking is the postling a
big deal? I got the Vibe yesterday, tell me if
I'm hopelessly out of touch. They announce MB who run
New Zealand Post, that we're going to have to do
something because none of us seen mail anymore and it's
gone down to next to nothing, and they think it

(51:33):
will be one hundred million pieces by twenty twenty eight.
It was eight hundred and thirteen. So it's plummeting over
the last twenty years. And we all know this. But
once upon a time when they used to say, oh,
we're going to cut up from seven days a week
to six days a week, to five days a week,
et cetera, everyone will go, oh my god, the end
of the world. Whereas now I noted yesterday with the
announcement which they're thinking, you bring it down to three
and two days a week, depending on where the country

(51:54):
you are. Does anyone care anymore because there's so little
male and therefore it doesn't affect us. Is it just
like that's life? Or have I completely misread that? Seventeen
to two.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
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Speaker 2 (52:14):
I can't think of any mail item that can't wait
three days I mean, the last thing I got and
that was unusual was the speeding ticket I told you
about last week, and that was the first speeding ticket
in years. And therefore I can't think of a single
other thing I've got in the mail in the year's mind,
you I don't clear the box? Do you not think devices,
Mike and social media has a bearing on children's behavior
in school attendance this year these days and they wouldn't

(52:35):
thirty years. I think that's probably val a fair point.
Back to the immigration When are we going to get
this sorted out? So I'm reading a fascinating piece yesterday
where the person who runs immigration in this country admits
that what they're doing is pretty much useless. Eleven weeks
for employer accreditation, twelve weeks for a job check, four
months for a work visa. I'm not proud of that

(52:56):
in any way. I admit it's not good enough. And
I can assure you that the team we're working with
alongside the minister is doing everything we can. This is
Alison McDonald, who's the Immigration New Zealand head. But they're
talking to all sorts of people who just literally they
claim their businesses are going to fall over what worries me.
There was one example of a person who wanted a

(53:18):
sales manager for a bar. Now, I'm all for immigration.
I love immigration. I think immigration's fantastic for all sorts
of reasons. But is it true to say that you
can only bring a sales manager in from offshore? The
claim being they couldn't find a sales manager and if
they couldn't get a sales manager because of all the delays,
their business was going to go under. Is that really true?

(53:39):
So all you need is a sales manager. You're not
after a magician, it's just a sales manager. And you're
telling me in all of New Zealand there's not a
single person you can hire locally available. You've got to
bring someone in prom ovacies. But in that, I suppose
is the complication of immigration settings. Anyway, they talk to
a guy called Tobias who's an advisor, and he says,
not just it's all over the place. Bigger companies at

(54:02):
the moment tend to be saying we don't see the
point in renewing accreditation because you've got to have be
accredited as an employer, or we don't believe it's worth
engaging in the process. Skilled people they're not bothering with
New Zealand anymore. This is once again like the tourism,
like all the other issues we've gotten, foreign investment. You know,
we're just not seen as a cool place. They don't
like us. The world just doesn't like the cut of

(54:24):
our GiB. At the moment, skilled people they're not bothering
with New Zealand anymore. There's better options elsewhere. The application
fees have massively increased. The systems really are cain and
challenging for employers and migrants, and there's been so much
change that a lot of people are just going, I'm
just going to go elsewhere. So New Zealand Inc. Doesn't

(54:46):
have a particularly good reputation. What worries me about this
is that probably the most competent minister the current government has,
in the form of Erica Stanford's in chargeable of this
and they've been in power now for a year and
I'm still reading reports it's about what a basket case
it is, and the head of the basket case admits
it's a basket case. So things need to change in quickly.

(55:06):
Turn away from it, breaks with news given away from it.
So Rugby might be on a bit of a revival.
Role player registration numbers and new numbers. Registrations are up
six percent on the year. We got one hundred and
fifty six thousand registered players across the country Heartland provinces.
They're run setting new records, which is good. Now the
ends it ours Community Rugby general manager Steve Lancaster with

(55:29):
us good morning morning, Mike. Tell you what your If
you watch the MPC final, which I did, that makes
you want to play rugby, doesn't it.

Speaker 11 (55:38):
Would hope. So, I mean we had we had two
finals and two weeks that went to extra time. So
across the I think across the Fire Palmer Cup, the
Heartland Championship in the NPC, we we've had some great
advertisements for the community game in the last month.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
What what drives registration.

Speaker 11 (55:55):
The participants experience more than anything, right, and so then
that speaks to attention as much as anything. But if
people are having a good time and coming back, they're
really telling other people about it, speaking positively about the game,
and that draws more people. So a lot of our
focus is on ensuring that our participants, where they players, coaches, referees,
volunteers are enjoying their experience.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
And is it school or is it club?

Speaker 11 (56:18):
It's all of that and the numbers that we've released
this week, we've seen growth across all segments really pleasingly.
We've seen just over five percent increase in teenage boys,
which is an area that is often called out as
a declining area for Station, but we're also seeing club
growth across the spectrum as well.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Steve, That's exciting, isn't it. And in the Heartland, is
it different and you're seeing success there because of the
community aspect of it or not?

Speaker 11 (56:44):
Yeah? I think so. I mean the numbers across the
Heartled the unions are at a record high, So we've
got more people playing rugby and Heartland provinces than ever
have before. And that's really exciting. And I think that
is true that there's a slightly different experience in Rugby
holds a slightly different place than those communities. So we're
really pleased with that with God as well.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
So have you turned the tide or was the tide
never needing turning? Because the reputation or the myth or
the whatever you want to call it, was that rugby's dying.
People don't play it anymore, they all get injured, Mum
and dad can't take you across to the game, so
the whole thing's in trouble. Was that ever true?

Speaker 11 (57:15):
No, I don't think so. I think the rhetoric of
that outweighed the reality, if we're honest. Although look, we
don't shy away from the fact that we have had
declining numbers in some segments, and so it's nice to
see them all rebounding after COVID. But you've touched on it.
There's perceptions, particular perceptions around injury that actually just aren't accurate,
and so a lot of our work now is on

(57:36):
ensuring that we're putting factual information out there about those
sort of things as well.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
And do you see the connection between more people playing
and the All Blacks the elite level of the game,
or are they completely separate things. A great player is
going to be a great player, whether you're a bunch
of kids play it at school.

Speaker 11 (57:52):
No, we do see a connection, and that's something we've
actually we've debated a lot internally, is whether in fact
that the long term success of the All Blacks dependent
on the game being you know, the game of choice
for these cylinders. But where we've blended. Is that it
is that you know, it can only enhance the prospects
of the All Blacks continuing to an on the world stage,
that more people are playing the game at all levels.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I think that's true. Steve go well, Steve Lancaster ends
at our community Rugby general manager. Looking forward to the weekend,
of course in Britain, brought back memories. There are the
surely under sevens. Those were the days Mike got accredited
employer status two days after applying. New employee straight to
residency in three months. Holdup was medical counsel, but after

(58:34):
a phone call that came through quickly. This is a
third overseas employee we've employed and the system works. Takes
a few months, but then so did finding the right employee.
We have a very reliable immigration consultant. That's the important part.
There you go, hold my beer. Clash of stories. Who's
right now? Elbow Alban easy con't wait to catch up

(58:55):
with Steve Price. Elbow, as I alluded to on the
program yesterday, isn't a whirled of pain because he was
busy ringing Ellen Joyce getting upgrades for himself and his
family for personal trips on Airlines at Quantas and he
yesterday was sort of asked about this and he got
all teaching and he started looking to blame Dutton and
every other politician. But of course, and he said, it's

(59:17):
all the claud told a Clad it's old a Clad.
But declaring what you did wrong doesn't make it right,
of course. So anyway, more on at the sleep Price
later in the morning. But politics Wednesday, it is next.

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with the way they're giving the New Zealm post at
the moment. But eighteen tracks of New Politics Wednesday. It
is seven minutes past day. Kieren mcinnulty is in once
again for the EPs. Jinny Anderson and Mark Mitchell is
with us as well. Gentlemen, good morning to you a mate. Now,

(01:00:46):
Karen without I don't want to get into this. You know,
it's not your job to defeat. Can you explain Jinny
and her action? Sometimes? Can you sort of what's going
on there? Do you reckon?

Speaker 21 (01:00:59):
Well, I assume you're referring to the recent mistake that
she made by sharing that Facebook post or Instagram post. Yeah, yeah, No,
I can't explain that. I neither can she. She said
it was a mistake. She said she regrets it and
she's apologized, which is the appropriate thing to do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
That is true. I just wonder do you have, like
I don't know, classes courses for people going if there's
a red flag, a presence of a red flag, the
thought of a red flag, you know, this might get
you any of those sort of advice floating around the
Labour caucus at any point in time.

Speaker 14 (01:01:31):
Oh.

Speaker 21 (01:01:31):
Look, it is appropriate that she apologized, and it's appropriate
that she regrets doing it. I'm not going to shy
away from that. But I don't think we should make
this out to be worthy of those sorts of courses.
I mean, at the end of the day, it was
a shared post. If she'd said this to the king
or said this in person about the King, then that
would be very serious. But sharing a post and then
regretting it doesn't warrant those sorts of things.

Speaker 12 (01:01:53):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Are you on social media?

Speaker 14 (01:01:55):
Mark?

Speaker 22 (01:01:57):
Yes, But I'm not a big The great frustrations for
our social media team is that I'm not as president
as they think I should be. Maybe it's a good
thing with yeah, yeah, I just think Look with Joenny,
I just think people judge it for themselves. I mean,
you know, focused on the things that matter, right, the
kings pants.

Speaker 14 (01:02:18):
So it's all a bit ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
There it is. Do you you sound funny? You're not
in the country, Have you got a cold?

Speaker 14 (01:02:26):
Or I have got a little bit of a view
what he called I'm not into.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
The okay, are you on the pseudo ep for Dream?

Speaker 14 (01:02:35):
No, you're not.

Speaker 21 (01:02:36):
I might gro today he doesn't need the thirty push
ups a day, mikeel.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Well, that is true, Karen. And have you done yet?
Market's ten past six. Would you cracks through the thirty yet?

Speaker 22 (01:02:48):
I haven't done them yet, but at six o'clock in
the morning over here, So I'll do them after we've
had our chat.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Okay, can you film them? Put them on social media?

Speaker 14 (01:02:56):
Yeah? I thought about doing that, actually, Karen. I am
way of the hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Okay, I'm excited almost to see you seemingly backing the
government on this building consent stuff. Broadly speaking, it makes sense,
doesn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:03:14):
Yeah, it does, And it was something that I've been
personally speaking with the Master Plumbers about for some time
and have held some sympathy for their position there. I mean,
you've got guys that many of their members aren't just plumbers.

Speaker 14 (01:03:28):
But are also guessed for it as as well.

Speaker 21 (01:03:30):
So for one of their trade they're able to self certify,
and for another they're not. And we mustn't forget that
the leaky building saga that we went through wasn't the
fault of plumbers. But we also need to and reasonably
express potential concerns to make sure we get the balance
right here, you know, We've got world class trades people

(01:03:51):
in this country, but they've been plagued by cowboys for
as long as they've been around, and we can't let
that integrity be undermined. And we also can't put homeowners
and the site here because they've already suffered enough through
Vicky building. So there is a balance that I think
we can strike and it's reasonable to point it out
that way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Right, would you see yourself navigating safely through this mark?

Speaker 14 (01:04:13):
Well? I agree. I just think that there is a
balance here.

Speaker 22 (01:04:15):
But the one thing that we do have to do
as a country is we have to look at sensible
ways and making it easier and cheaper to build houses.
And I look, and I agree with Kieran, is that
we have world class trades people that can be trusted,
and right now some of them are. They can self certify,
So you know Chris Pink is working through that in
a careful way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
How do I does it not put the onus on
me the punter? So you go along with a JUJ
Gardener on earlier on so Juj Gardener got a good reputation,
I go to JJ Gardener. I can feel confident at
this self certifying. What if I go down to Bob.
Bob seems like a nice guy, but Bob turns out
to be a croc.

Speaker 22 (01:04:47):
How do I tell, yeah, I mean that's what That's
exactly what Kieren's sort of talking about us. How do
we still have all the ability for consumers to be
able to sort of check that out and make sure
they are dealing someone that's reputable in a proper trades
person that will actually do a good job.

Speaker 14 (01:05:04):
But look that I'm not in that detail.

Speaker 22 (01:05:07):
Obviously it's christ Pink's line of work, but I think
that does have.

Speaker 14 (01:05:10):
To be addressed.

Speaker 21 (01:05:11):
Bring indemnity insurance is crucial, Like ultimately, if people meet
certain criteria that gives consumers confidence, then we'll be able
to move forward. If that's not there, or it's wishy washy,
or there's loopholes, that's where things can fall over. So
at the moment, the government's put out a consultation document,
and I imagine people will engage with that. We certainly will,

(01:05:31):
And you know, I've got a lot of time for
Chris Penky's a reasonable guy and I think he will
work with us to try and get this right. Everyone
wants certainty, and this is a good way to go
about it when you work together.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
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Zippy Talks sixteen Past Day Politics Wednesday, Curra Mcinaughty and
Mark Mitchell with us. Mark, when you call the Mongrel
mob idiots yesterday? What do you call them? Were you
calling them media from Sydney or did you call them
idiots and Wellington then leave for Sydney, because I'm sure
I saw you in Willington.

Speaker 14 (01:06:07):
I was, but I called them idiots from Sydney.

Speaker 22 (01:06:11):
So its purely though the question the journalist asked me
or sort of put forward some of the behavior that
they're exhibiting around you know, seek Hiland, barking like dogs
and knocking on people, you know, hitting people's windows and
abusing members of the public, and I said, yeah, it's
pretty symptomatic of the antisocial behavior these idiots engage in,
so which I stand by.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
And having said that though, because the Prime Minister was
asked and I watched that yesterday and he was said,
you're on and the police are on it. When everyone's
on it, it's all fantastic. But what I saw from
what they were doing is no one's on it. They
sort of ran rampant when nuts went home and you
guys just wander around going, oh, don't worry, we're we're
on top of the gangs. They didn't seem to be
on top of the gangs at all.

Speaker 14 (01:06:52):
Caught the opposite.

Speaker 22 (01:06:53):
For the last twelve months they have been controlled. They're
being print now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
I'm talking about yesterday.

Speaker 14 (01:06:57):
Around these game.

Speaker 22 (01:06:57):
CoV was Yeah, I know, it was just to carry
on what they've been doing for twelve months.

Speaker 14 (01:07:02):
Is they had plenty of police resources there the roads.

Speaker 22 (01:07:04):
Yes, the police warned the day before that there's going
to be conditioned because when you get a lot of
vehicles coming into an area, then that happens. But they
kept the traffic flowing. There were no risks because there
was no illegal behavior. Yes, there was a bit of
disorder around dooble stuff and.

Speaker 14 (01:07:19):
Things like that.

Speaker 22 (01:07:19):
The police will follow up on that, but fundamentally they
do the outstanding job of controlling these convoys. Normally they
just come and take over roads, drive into oncoming traffic,
abuse in ciminate all sorts of stuff, but the police
really did handle it very well used today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Do you reckon that's true, Karen, I do.

Speaker 21 (01:07:40):
I think the police do an exceptional job with the
resources that they've got. We've had an incident and wided
up recently where the police that us proud and basically
managed to deal with an incredibly serious situation that could
have been life threatening, and I think actually the way
the police handed it was able to preserve life because
it could have got out of hand really quickly with

(01:08:02):
many people breaking cars and bumping into people trying to
do skids, et cetera.

Speaker 14 (01:08:07):
These board races and spectators.

Speaker 21 (01:08:09):
It's a real worry, particularly when crowds outnumber the police
that are on hand, and the reality is that you
won't be able to have the number of police required
at any given time in a town like Mastered. The
solution to that is ensuring that communication is strong and intelligent,
sharing is strong so that resources can be shifted when

(01:08:30):
it's required. But those local police that dealt with that
recently did an exceptional job.

Speaker 22 (01:08:35):
They're running big operations against these guys, Mike, and I
think Qan raises a really good point in relation to
our polices that I was at an awards ceremony recently.
We're most of the awards handed out to police officers
for saving lives. We don't often talk about that. It's
not always visible to the public. And by the way,
one of them was saving the life of an offender.
So they just we should be very proud of our

(01:08:56):
police service. They do an outstanding job, and they are
making hard running operations and really are starting here on
top of this boy racer and the games, and I'm
really proud of the what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Good stuff, Karen. I watch parlor, I watch question Time,
and I see you stand up a lot, and I'm
to say, point of order, mister speaker, point of order.
All that sort of stuff is brownly ruining question time.

Speaker 14 (01:09:20):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 21 (01:09:21):
I have a really good working relationship with the Speaker.
In fact, I think if you look back to previous parliaments,
people in my role, the shadow leader of the House role,
actually stood up for more points of order. I've got
to the point where I'd like to think that if
I do stand up for a point of order, it's
because I have a genuine point. It's not because I'm
trying to make a political point. That's not my style

(01:09:42):
because you want to be taken seriously and at the
end of the day, points of order are there to
raise a question of parliamentary privilege, of which I'm learning
a lot, and I like to think that we've got
a good working relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Okay, what about you, Mark? I mean, you spend a
lot of time in so Knee and not in the House.
And every time I see Luxe and how, I say,
why aren't you opening the house up? Whether whether anyone
supports your government or not. You've got a lot of
work on and you can only pass law if the
house is open. And the house never seems to be open.

Speaker 14 (01:10:14):
Well, what does a spell the rumor that I spend
a lot of time in Sydney? I don't.

Speaker 22 (01:10:22):
I think that I'm over here to the point of mate,
that they had to show last night at the Sydney
oper House. But look, Karen's that You're right. He does
his job as the opposition leader of the House. He
has to raise points of order because he has to
try and make sure the opposition are given a fair
crack in the house.

Speaker 14 (01:10:40):
I think Jerry does an outstanding job as a speaker.

Speaker 22 (01:10:44):
He's got grevitas and you know, and it's a boisterous
house at times, and sometimes it should be. It's a
place where there should be some pretty boorchous debaate going on. Look,
there's a bit of ben that goes on between Kieran
and Eyes that we score each other in terms of
how many how successful he's on with his points of ordering,
and he reminds me how unsuccessfully with my points for order.

Speaker 14 (01:11:07):
Good study, It's true, that's true.

Speaker 21 (01:11:09):
But look, it's not to say that we're not happy
with the behavior of certain members and ministers. But the
Christian was about the speaker, and I think he's doing
a good job.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Okay, good stuff. Nice to see you both appreciate a
very much. Care and Macinaulty travel well. Mark appreciate it.
Mark Mitchell Carera Macinulty with Politics Wensday for another week
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look at it. Round you up at a later stage
as opposed to, you know, interrupting the whole thing at
the time. A lot of good feedback on Kira macinulty bliming,
I'm actually starting to like kieren refreshing. Why isn't Kurrying
the leader of a Kiren the leader of the Labour parties?
Very good, Mike, very refreshing to hear Mark and Kieran
on today. Could actually hear some of the chat, Mike,
Kieran might well be the only grown up in the

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Labour Party. My word, this is refreshing. These two are
being fair and respectful. Gives me faith from the system. Mike,
what party is Kierenan? Sounds all too reasonable, Mike, of Kieran,
it was the leader, they'd have a very good chance
of winning the next election. Very straightforward. One thing I
didn't have time for this morning, and it got a
little bit of coverage. I think over the weekend sometime
I can't remember, but there's a private members bill and

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I think it's yet to be pulled. I don't think
it has been pulled. It's in the biscuit tin as
they say. It's the act MP Simon Court and he
wants to get rid of these these trusts, alcohol trusts
places like west Auckland and in Southland. And I didn't realize,
but the one in Southland goes back to the forties.
The Invercargol Trust, the Licensing Trust was set up in

(01:13:35):
nineteen forty four. My tower is set up in nineteen
fifty five, and a couple of the Auklam ones were
set up in the seventies. His argument is that it
stifles competition, the prices are too high. The counter argument
to that is there's some control over how much booze
is in the community, and of course there's far too
much booze in the community generally at retail level. And
of course a lot of the money goes back into

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community good and services and projects and stuff like that.
So there's like all, there's good on both sides. But
his argument is if he pulls the thing about the
members bill, is would he have the numbers? Would national
support something like that? So if I remember next week,
I might try and get a get a vibe for it. Meantime,
scandal time in Australia, they got the same problems. A

(01:14:16):
couple of retailers one to ask Steve about their going
bust or have gone bust or gone into administration, so
they got their own retail problems at the moment. And
of course Elbow and his business of upgrades with Allan Joyce.
More shortly, your.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Mike read the West Talk and Trust. If they were
doing such a great job and the community and keeping
alcohol off the streets, then why don't we have them everywhere?
It's a not unreasonable question, Mike. The Trust and the
Cargills crippled the hospow industry. It's an old argument, it's
not even a new argument. And we all know the
argument around liquor licensing. And they put money into the community.
But then again you've got restricted competition, then you've got
the price issues and stuff. All I'm saying is there's

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a private member's bill and it may well get pilled up,
but just be interesting to see whether anything would actually
happen to it or not. Twenty three minutes away from.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
And I strates to do post morning to you, good
a dad. I was watching Albanezy trying to defend himself
yesterday by saying everything had been declared, and I thought,
that's not answering the question, mate, and you know it.
And then he started raising Dutton and private planes and stuff.
What is it about him that he doesn't have the
this somehow, in some way is going to come back

(01:15:34):
and bite me in the bum in a major way.

Speaker 12 (01:15:38):
Not sure I can even answer that question. Watching that
same train repress conference yesterday, I just could not believe it.
I mean, he was being asked direct questions, did you
ever bring up Allen Joyce nast an upgrade? It then
waffled on about two flights that were completely different from
the ones that are causing him trouble. The ones that
are causing him trouble are private flights on holidays, got
nothing to do with government business. That's point number one.

(01:16:01):
So the flights that everyone wants to know about. And
a simple question, did you directly lobby Alan Joyce the
SEO to get an upgrade or you know the way how.

Speaker 14 (01:16:11):
This all works?

Speaker 12 (01:16:11):
Fuck you go by an economy ticket if you've got
contacts within the airline, you hope that you can possibly
get a vacant business class or an international flight that's
first class seat Albanies. He wouldn't answer that question now,
he could have just said no, because I imagine the
way this would have worked, certainly now that he's PM,

(01:16:33):
would be that someone in his office ring someone in
Condis and that's the way that works. But the problem
he has is he was either Transport Minister under Kevin
Rudd and Juliet Gillard, and then he was opposition Transport spokesman,
went in opposition, and then he was Transport Minister again,
then he was Prime Minister. So that's different from you,

(01:16:56):
Joe blow the public getting an upgrade because he has
influence over what the airline can and can't do and
over airline policy. And this all comes back to that
decision last year that not many people could understand when
Katar tried to get more plugs into Australia and they
were told by the current government, headed by Anthony Albanize
that no, we're not going to let you do that.

(01:17:17):
We don't think that the competition requires it. So he
hasn't answered the questions Peter Dutton, I mean Peter Dutton's
now said oh, well, he should you turn himself into
the Anti Corruption commisional. He's not going to do that.
And Anthony Abanize, as you said yesterday, went on about
Peter Dutton flying on Gina Rhinhart's private yet, well, Anthony
Albanezi flew to a place very close to where I'm

(01:17:40):
sitting right now on trucking magnet Lindsay Fox's private helicopter
have a barbecue with Dan Andrews, the then premier. So
he's in a world of pain. Interestingly, I woke up
earlier this morning thinking about your Prime Minister, who of
course would know all about this because he ran an
airline and you imagine how many people used to ring
up Prime Minister luxe and then say can I have

(01:18:02):
an upgrade money? He would be laughing his head off
about all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Do you get to see it's a weird thing. I'm
sure you're following the starma thing in Britain as well,
where they you know, he's getting free suits and his
wife's getting dresses and they're picking up free glasses reading glasses,
and it's like it doesn't happen here. It's like you
just don't get that sort of thing. And it's just
it's sort of foreign to us. It's too you know,

(01:18:27):
you're in an exalted position at the best of times.
To think you can ring somebody up and say put
me at the front of the plane, mate, and that
not come back and haunt you as seems astonishing to me.

Speaker 12 (01:18:38):
Yeah, particularly when you often run the line that you know,
how remarkable it is that I'm Prime Minister, given I
grew up in social housing in Western Sydney with a
single mom who had no money. This is not the
first time that Anthony Albanye has had this sort of issue.
I mean, then you know, you don't have to go
back what three weeks and he's entitled to buy a

(01:18:58):
four point three million dollar beach house. But we're in
the middle of a house in crisis, in the middle
of a cost of living crisis. So I don't know,
maybe when you do come out of you know, a
not so privileged background, he was hardly underprivileged, and you're
a professional politician for thirty five years, maybe it just
goes to your head.

Speaker 14 (01:19:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Amazing this COVID report, I mean it's not a surprise,
but what one what are they going to do with it?
And will they learn any real lessons. And two do
they have any confidence that in the next pandemic anyone's
going to follow any instructions at all?

Speaker 12 (01:19:33):
Well, the question, the answer to all those questions is no.
It will end up in the bottom drawer of some
minister's office. Interestingly, the PM yesterday didn't was not the
person who released it. It's an eight hundred and eighty
eight page report. Mark Butler, the Health Minister, was the
man that came out and talked about, how you know,
during the pandemic we weren't ready for it. It was
called a forensic assessment. I don't know that it was

(01:19:55):
that forensic. Interestingly, when they commissioned it, they did not
ask the people running this investigation into the COVID response
what they thought of things like state boarder closures, shut
down of schools and playgrounds. But the report itself came
out and said, well, that was not a good thing
to do. It's eight hundred and sixty eight pages. I

(01:20:15):
should say you noted this report that they closed schools
which quote had a significant impact on the mental health
of children despite and there's no real criticism in there. Interesting,
they are no names about the politicians like Daniel Andrews,
like Anastasia Palache, like Mark McGowan in wa no criticism
of the way they handled it. What we wanted to

(01:20:38):
know was, you know, should they have been telling us
that we couldn't go out of our house at after
nine o'clock at night? You can only walk for an
hour and with one person? I mean, you know what
it did for me when I started reading the assessment
of it, it just took me back they did nine years.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Got I agree more? Well, the person who ran our pandemic,
of course, got a Dame hood out of it and
is now sitting at Harvard wandering around the world collecting
twenty thirty thousand dollars every times he speaks publicly about it.
And you've still got you still got mandates on you.

Speaker 12 (01:21:07):
Well, this came out and coincidentally on the day that
report came out, So you've got the son of bush
fire season about to start and dozens of unvaccinated firefighters
are Can you believe this still banned from going to
work three years after being stood down without pay? Now
that's just extraordinary. Thirty nine operational firefighters and ten other

(01:21:30):
staff who work at Fire Rescue Victoria are still prohibited
from working because they're unvaccinated. I mean, that's just ridiculous.
It's the last public service agency in Victoria to do that.
But when you trust, when you need firefighters, who now
asks you if you're vaccinated or not?

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Exactly? Hey, listen, I mentioned Harald's to you last week,
who went into administration, the well known clothing shop Mosaic
brands who run they're here as well, of course, and
they're running Katies and Millers and non d and all that.
They got three thousand employees there into administration. What's your
assessment of retail in Australia generally? Are you in trouble?

Speaker 12 (01:22:08):
Yeah? I think so. And those two cases are the
ones that highlight it most. And that's you know, that's
the mid range of clothing retail. So it's not the
top well, Harold's at the top end, but what you
just mentioned there those other stores are very much mid range.
And so it just shows that the economy is still
very shaky. People are not going out updating their wardrobe.

(01:22:29):
They can't afford they can't afford to pay their electricity
in gas bill. So it comes as no surprise. And interestingly,
Jim Charmers the Treasurer Alas Dodger's questions about that, says, oh, well,
you know, economy's going okay, we've got a budget surplus.
Well that doesn't do any good for anyone who can't
afford to put food.

Speaker 11 (01:22:46):
On the table.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Exactly, all right, mat go well see you next week.
Appreciate it very much. Steve Price out of Australia, by
the way, just before we leave their Maya, speaking of retail,
yesterday signed a nine hundred and fifty million dollar deals
so they're bullish. They bought a bunch of Solomon Lose.
Solomon Lose amous as a businessman apart from anything, but
probably best known here for Peter, Alexander and Smiggle. But
he also also known here had just jeans, JJ's Portman's

(01:23:10):
Jackie Dotty. That's the stuff he's sold to Meyer. For
the total deals nine hundred million, he collects eighty two million,
but they give him shares, and by getting the shares,
he ends up on the Meyer board, which I suspect
is where he wanted to be. Fourteen away from nine.

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Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
At b eleven away from Niner Housing, Christis, Mike, is
not the wrong time to buy a four point three
million dollar house. It's the perfect time. It's probably full
and a million bucks. Should we have waited until it
went up again to avoid upsetting a few jealous people.
I've done well in life shore to walk around in
a Hessian shirt. I think the point that Steve was
making and Need you're right. I mean it is the
right time, at the perfect time. Of course you buy
at the bottom. But it's the optics is what he

(01:23:55):
was referring to, not the price of the house.

Speaker 11 (01:23:56):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
I did a study in nineteen ninety one on the
licensing trusts. It's one of the advantages of having such
a large audience. Has anyone don a study on licensing trusts?
Who's listening this morning? Oh yes, it turns out to
you nineteen ninety one of the licensing trusts. As a
largely free marketer, I thought that they would have a
limited future, but concluded that without the Masterton wouldn't have
the sol Way, Gore wouldn't have the Croydon, and very

(01:24:18):
unlikely that Invercargo would have the Ascot. As many others
in the trust controlled provincial New Zealand. So do we
send the boot sales profits to Australia and allow our
countdown to sell in these areas not so cut and dry.
That's a very good point, great insight. By the way.
The other thing I was going to raise with Steve,
but I can raise with you. And this is my
ongoing thing that you know, for all the green grass
allegedly that's in Australia and attracting the tens of thousands

(01:24:38):
of New Zealanders to that part of the world, not
only as that retail sector. Dyer yesterday, I'm reading about
the construction sector boom and bust, zombies, zombie apocalypse Australian
and they've got a housing crisis. Housing is much more
and we talked about this briefly on the program the
other day with people leaving in terms of jobs and
trades and stuff like that. Buying a house in a

(01:24:59):
stree Ralia is for many people, especially in the main centre,
is prohibitively expensive if you want to mind about it here.
It's even worse in Australia and their housing crisis at
the moment. The problem is no one can afford to build.
The only building going on. There's plenty of cranes about
the place, but they're all commercial and there are lots
of companies that are in zombie state. Is from KPMG

(01:25:20):
Australia yesterday. The number of ASX listed zombies has spiked
from thirty one percent in just six months to ninety
four from a ninety four to one hundred and twenty
two companies. A zombie company is a company that still trades,
so in other words, it hasn't gone bust. It's just
they're not doing anything, and they're not doing anything because
they can't afford to do anything, whether or not you
can't afford to pay the workers, or no one's building

(01:25:42):
houses because they can't afford to pay it on a
per square meter basis. So for all of the roast
tinted glass viewing that's going on, there's a lot going
on wrong in Australia. Currently nine away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
The Range River Flan like our sun works. In the
car industry in Queensland's bottoms dropped out. That's only recent actually,
because I followed the car market in Australia. It's been
going gangbusters up until the last couple of months. Speaking
of Australia. I read dumb yesterday the Office Australia as
in the television program the local addition, I must say
I saw the promo of it and I thought that

(01:26:20):
looks crap. But then yesterday it's on Prime Video. It's
a hit. It's the top show in Australia streaming number
one and four other territories, which includes New Zealand, Singapore,
top three and thirty seven countries. Around the world, it's
in the top five and sixty five countries, and it's
the top ten in one hundred and two countries. So

(01:26:43):
they've got themselves a gangbuster. So I started watching it
last night, the actually episode, not the promo, and in
the first five minutes it was it looked okay. Recommendation
take it or leave it. The other one I read yesterday,
I read a review and I've seen an episode. My
wife has seen more episodes and she's on it. But
got four stars yesterday. Rivals. It's based on Jilly Cooper's

(01:27:06):
nineteen eighty eight Rivals book. It's over acted, it's it's
set and it's on a television station. It's got David Tennant.
It's quite good.

Speaker 13 (01:27:15):
You have you been watching Shrinking, she.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Does, I don't. I don't find shrinker.

Speaker 12 (01:27:20):
I think it's the Seasons, I would say is even
more tightly scripted than the first.

Speaker 6 (01:27:25):
And it is funnier, I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Think, a more sophisticated than I am.

Speaker 6 (01:27:29):
Yeah, A lot of people say that, any.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Yeah, and so that's why she likes it. You like it,
But I find it just a bit subtle for exactly
a lot of people say that she doesn't wish she
married you, though, And I think, and that's the problem.
I could be wrong. Five minutes away from nine trending.

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I think she says she didn't want to marry. Maybe
she did. Maybe we all got mixed up. This is CNN.
Listen to this. This is a bust up. You don't
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Speaker 12 (01:27:59):
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Speaker 13 (01:28:07):
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Speaker 12 (01:28:12):
The thing is that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
You should know you just said I should be killed.
I know I did not say.

Speaker 6 (01:28:20):
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Let me let me just said, you.

Speaker 19 (01:28:28):
Guys, are you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Right? So the guy who said I hope you beeper
doesn't go off, a guy called Ryan. He's been sacked.
The guy who was arguing was a guy called his son.
He's still on the show. The woman going oh wow,
I'll go oh wow. That's Philip, who is the host
of the program that's sort of unfolded Yesterday afternoon.

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