May 26, 2025 • 12 mins
A common deficiency could be holding you back.
Iron is the most common nutritional deficiency, both globally and in New Zealand, and it plays a role in everything from energy to brain function and development, thyroid function, and anxiety prevention.
Dr Libby Weaver is biochemist, nutritionist, and author, and her latest book ‘Fix Iron First’ delves into the role of iron in the body, and how a deficiency could be impacting your life.
She joined Mike Hosking to discuss her research.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The time for catch up with one of our favorites.
(00:01):
Doctor Libby Weaver has been here and dealt to everything
on this program, from sugar to plant based supplements, as diet,
energy processing, the whole thing. Today a little bit on
iron the role of it. Her new book is called
Fix Iron First. Efficiency is holding many of us backing
Doctor Libby Weaver is Weather's very good morning, Good morning
to you, Mike Lovely. To see iron versus anything else
(00:22):
you can do for yourself that's in your body. How
important does it? Where do you rank it?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Number one?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And it is not top of the conversation enough. So
it is the most common nutritional deficiency globally, including here
in New Zealand, and it particularly affects women across the
menstruation years, pregnant women and very sadly, it's estimated that
around forty percent of New Zealand children are iron deficient.
And it plays a role in everything from energy to
brain function and development, thyroid function and anxiety prevention.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So it's got a big job.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And so how come we're short of it?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We're not eating enough for a start, and then we
also need other nutrients to allow iron to do its
work inside our body, things like copper, beta care, routine,
vitamin A, so absorption gut problems can also be contributing.
And when we talk about the gut, obviously it sounds
so basic, but when we chew our food, that's what
allows us to produce stomach acid and it is literally
(01:13):
crucial for iron absorption, and then of course when the
iron actually reaches the gut, it has to be delivered
to the blood. And for a lot of people these days,
for lots of different reasons, including eating too much junk
food is contributing to real iron absorption gulps.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's my favorite subject at the moment. So gut appears
to me to gut health has appears to have become
a thing. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, well in my world it's always always been.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But out here in the regular world it's suddenly become
a topic djure.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And how fabulous. And I think we currently know the
tip of the iceberg about it. Obviously, the gut microbiome
plays a huge role in our level of wellness, everything
from what calories are worth, to our immune function, our
neurotransmitter production. A lot of our neurotransmitters are actually used
in the gut, but iron is actually needed for dopamine production,
so for motivation, we need iron for gabber production, which
(02:07):
is an anti anxiety agent. It's sort of a chill pill,
and also serotonin for our contentment. So my worry with
this widespread iron deficiency is that that conversation is not
coming to life enough. You think of a teenage girl,
for example, and she might say, I feel really anxious.
And there's a trait in our culture right now to
go straight down a psychological or psychiatric road. And that
(02:28):
might be right for some people. But my concern is
that if that teenage girl is iron deficient, how do
we know that her anxiety is not coming from iron deficiency?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And I want to bring that.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
To wouldn't it how many people? How much of this
is widely known? I mean our first port of call,
I mean apart from a book of yours or knowing
somebody is the doctor. Yeah, isn't it? So would a
doctor go write iron is important, let's check your iron
or not necessarily?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
It's a very easy test to have done, and certainly
some of our gps are aware of it, and that's wonderful.
The tests to have done are called iron studies and
that will measure iron. It will also measure transferrin. Now
transferrin is it's good to imagine it like the bus
that drives the iron around. So when we're iron deficient
that actually goes high. Then there's transferen saturation. That's how
(03:17):
many little units of iron are on the bus getting
driven around. And then there's ferretin, which is iron storage.
And the normal range in New Zealand pathology labs for
ferretin for adult women is twenty to two hundred and
twenty micrograms per lead. And now that's a crazy wide range,
and we need normal ranges. It would be chaos without them.
But the trouble is if you just fall into that
normal range, you'll be told that's normal. And most women
(03:39):
don't have robust health when it's sitting there.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
What do we do about this? We You and I
were talking about the SOFIA, so one of the great
and I'm assuming it's the same in Australia. One of
the great issues with healthcare in this country is you
can't get access to a GP. If you can't get
access to a GP, it's fifteen minutes tops. Sometimes they're interested,
sometimes they're not, and it's become this thing where people
don't follow their health journey the way they used to
because of the access to the health. So what you've
(04:04):
already given us in this three and a half minutes
that you've been on air is a level of complexity
and detail that may well blow most people's minds. You
see what I'm saying, And so where do I get
this information? If the doctor just goes you're on the
range of normal, I'll see you in six months.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I'm a big fan for us also participating in our
own health journey, So I really encourage people to get
copies of their own blood test results so they can
see they can track their own levels and see patterns
whether they're going up in something or going down in something.
And then that also with these sorts of conversations that
then foster is a patient to say to their doctor,
(04:41):
can you help me understand this a bit better? And
it might mean that they actually get some treatment.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
That's a hurdle for many people too, isn't it, Because
if you're going to the doctor, the doctor's the expert.
You know nothing, So why would you ask I assume
I'm like everyone else with the GV You get a portal.
These days, you can track your bloods on a portal.
You can see the chart and all that sort of
that standard practice I'm assuming with GPS, so you can participate.
So in iron, what you also learned is that it's
not just iron. Iron does this, and you need that
(05:08):
to help there and suddenly it gets good. Is it complicated?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's actually not.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, my whole world is nutrition and biochemistry, and
that's why that spins my tires understanding all of this,
and it's why I tried to bring it to life
in in really easy to access kind of ways like
a book. But it's essentially it's not complicated in that
we're supposed to obtain all of our nutrition from our food,
and sadly these days it's getting harder and harder to
do that because of a thousand reasons, including soil quality.
(05:36):
So when also to copper is another really important nutrient
for iron once it's inside of us, and we all
used to have houses with copper pipes, sure, and now
they're plastic, So when the water flowed across the copper pipes,
we've got a little bit. There's a bit of copper
in some foods, but it can be a nutrient that
some people have a subclinical deficiency in, so that once
the ion's in them, it's not getting back to the
(05:56):
bone marrow, for example, to make the red blood cells.
We make two and a half million new red blood
cells every second. It's all inspiring when you think about it.
And those red blood cells can carry the hemoglobin which
iron is required for to get the oxygen to every
cell inside our body.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Excellent as far as getting anything, whether it be iron
or not, diet or supplements or both or it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, food first in my world, but it's very hard
to get enough these days of certain nutrients from our food,
and that's why I am a big fan of supplementation.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But it needs to be good quality.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, all whether once again, whether we're talking about iron
or not, how much is going on in science in
the evolution of knowledge, So what you say to me
this morning in tenye's time may well be completely different.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I agree, it's a really I always feel like it's exciting.
I'm a life enthusiast. But the research world is truly alive,
and our progress in understanding human health and the human body,
I still think we're at the tip of the Iceberg.
But instead, there's been a thought in my mind for
a long time. Do we live too short and die
too long? So we're privileged to live for a decent
(07:03):
amount of time, But I think that life expectancy is
going to continue to grow. But I think our opportunity
will be to live much healthier lives for longer. I
want to die healthy, and I know that sounds like
a crazy statement to make, but I think that's going
to be possible.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Do you think that's genuinely changing? What's you I mean?
I worry about asking people like you who operate in
your world, because everyone you would know would be into
it and go, oh, we're all healthy and stuff. Do
you think that message is getting through in general in
the Western world?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yes, I do, but I feel the disparity is increasing.
So I feel that there's this beautiful message coming alive
of let's look after ourselves. What the impact you have
on yourself today won't just affect how you feel today,
but also do also in the future. But the disparity
between people having access to good health care, nutritious food,
I think that's widening, and that's way more of a conception.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And what's that about is that about education, or is
that about the economy or both?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, I worry.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I worry about the affordability of junk food. When I
was growing up, junk was really expensive and now it's
really cheap. And that's I feel that from an approach perspective,
that's where we really need to start to focus, because
the whole real food is what needs to be less
expensive so that it's easily accessible for people.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And do you think people who have, say, for example,
bad diet, do they know they've got a bed Excuse me, no,
they've got a bad diet, or they don't know. They
genuinely wouldn't have a clue.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Some people won't have a clue. But I think in general,
no one's going to polish off a whole tub of
ice cream after dinner thinking I'm going to feel fabulous
after I eat this. And it's not necessarily a lack
of education that leads people to do that. And it's
why my work has three pillars by chemistry, nutrition, and
emotions or mindset if you like. And so I think
that mindset pillar is just as important to you've got.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
To be keen to do it. What I've discovered is
the it's a rabbit hole, and the more you look
down the rabbit hole, the more there is to know
and love. And that's I suppose what makes it fascinating,
doesn't it? But this is what I read yesterday. Headline
is this is red meat bad for your heart. It
may depend on who funded the study. So that was
in the New York Times. So how much is out there?
(09:13):
You're thinking, that's the way I'll hold on, No, it's not.
I mean, how many conflicted messages are they're out there?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Well, an endless array, isn't there? And you raise such
a great point. So I try to bring common sense
back to these conversations around food.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So when we look at that at red meat, humans
have been eating consuming animal foods forever for eons. What
those animals eat, though, has changed in some countries. So
I look beyond that sort of data and look at
is that animal having what I call a species specific diet?
So are the cows eating grass rather than being popped
(09:49):
up on other things like grains for example. Because it
does change the fatty acid composition, it changes all sorts
of things. So I look beyond that surface level of
a headline telling you that something is bad or good.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, inflammation, If we could tackle this another fascination. If
we could tackle inflammation, how big a difference to our
lives health wise would we make game changing?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
It's so huge, and it's the underlying element in so
many chronic diseases. So when you think we're really fortunate
to have access to extraordinary emergency medicine, but what we're
not very good at dealing with right now is lousy
metabolic health and inflammation is one of the biggest drivers
of that. And again, to keep it really simple, the
way we nourish ourselves is the absolute foundation of that
(10:32):
sunlight movement sleep. I feel we've tried to make health
quite complex and some of the answers are actually really simple,
and we're not necessarily doing those basics.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, here's the funny thing I learned over the summer.
A person I know was a bit short on vitamin D.
Where do you get vitamin D? Sunshine exactly? So they said,
go out into the sun with no sunscreen on before
ten o'clock in the morning. But the problem was, we've
demonized the sun, and so all we do is we
slap it all over ourselves and prevent the sun in
the Bible and getting through. See that's you Mike's message again,
(11:02):
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Isn't it?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And it's so it's so tricky for people to decipher it,
and it's a game.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Way. I love biochemistry.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So every cell in the human body has a receptor
for vitamin D, so that tells and also thyroid hormones.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
But that tells me.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
If every cell in your body REQUO has a receptor
saying feed me some vitamin D.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's obviously very important exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
See as complex as it is, actually not that complex
after all, is it. It can be simple if you
want it to be.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, it is.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
And that's why if we just think in a common
sense kind of way, so much nutrition information these days
sadly is marketing. And if we bring it back to
just thinking about again a species specific diet. Same for humans.
For so long, all we ever ate was food. And
for me, there's no such thing as junk food. There's
just junk and there's food, and right now the junk
is featuring way too much.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Fantastic, Always a thrilled to have you in the studio.
Thank you so much, Mike, Come again, see you soon,
Doctor Livy Weaver for more from the Mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
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The time for catch up with one of our favorites.
(00:01):
Doctor Libby Weaver has been here and dealt to everything
on this program, from sugar to plant based supplements, as diet,
energy processing, the whole thing. Today a little bit on
iron the role of it. Her new book is called
Fix Iron First. Efficiency is holding many of us backing
Doctor Libby Weaver is Weather's very good morning, Good morning
to you, Mike Lovely. To see iron versus anything else
(00:22):
you can do for yourself that's in your body. How
important does it? Where do you rank it?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Number one?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
And it is not top of the conversation enough. So
it is the most common nutritional deficiency globally, including here
in New Zealand, and it particularly affects women across the
menstruation years, pregnant women and very sadly, it's estimated that
around forty percent of New Zealand children are iron deficient.
And it plays a role in everything from energy to
brain function and development, thyroid function and anxiety prevention.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So it's got a big job.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And so how come we're short of it?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
We're not eating enough for a start, and then we
also need other nutrients to allow iron to do its
work inside our body, things like copper, beta care, routine,
vitamin A, so absorption gut problems can also be contributing.
And when we talk about the gut, obviously it sounds
so basic, but when we chew our food, that's what
allows us to produce stomach acid and it is literally
(01:13):
crucial for iron absorption, and then of course when the
iron actually reaches the gut, it has to be delivered
to the blood. And for a lot of people these days,
for lots of different reasons, including eating too much junk
food is contributing to real iron absorption gulps.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's my favorite subject at the moment. So gut appears
to me to gut health has appears to have become
a thing. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, well in my world it's always always been.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But out here in the regular world it's suddenly become
a topic djure.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And how fabulous. And I think we currently know the
tip of the iceberg about it. Obviously, the gut microbiome
plays a huge role in our level of wellness, everything
from what calories are worth, to our immune function, our
neurotransmitter production. A lot of our neurotransmitters are actually used
in the gut, but iron is actually needed for dopamine production,
so for motivation, we need iron for gabber production, which
(02:07):
is an anti anxiety agent. It's sort of a chill pill,
and also serotonin for our contentment. So my worry with
this widespread iron deficiency is that that conversation is not
coming to life enough. You think of a teenage girl,
for example, and she might say, I feel really anxious.
And there's a trait in our culture right now to
go straight down a psychological or psychiatric road. And that
(02:28):
might be right for some people. But my concern is
that if that teenage girl is iron deficient, how do
we know that her anxiety is not coming from iron deficiency?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And I want to bring that.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
To wouldn't it how many people? How much of this
is widely known? I mean our first port of call,
I mean apart from a book of yours or knowing
somebody is the doctor. Yeah, isn't it? So would a
doctor go write iron is important, let's check your iron
or not necessarily?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
It's a very easy test to have done, and certainly
some of our gps are aware of it, and that's wonderful.
The tests to have done are called iron studies and
that will measure iron. It will also measure transferrin. Now
transferrin is it's good to imagine it like the bus
that drives the iron around. So when we're iron deficient
that actually goes high. Then there's transferen saturation. That's how
(03:17):
many little units of iron are on the bus getting
driven around. And then there's ferretin, which is iron storage.
And the normal range in New Zealand pathology labs for
ferretin for adult women is twenty to two hundred and
twenty micrograms per lead. And now that's a crazy wide range,
and we need normal ranges. It would be chaos without them.
But the trouble is if you just fall into that
normal range, you'll be told that's normal. And most women
(03:39):
don't have robust health when it's sitting there.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
What do we do about this? We You and I
were talking about the SOFIA, so one of the great
and I'm assuming it's the same in Australia. One of
the great issues with healthcare in this country is you
can't get access to a GP. If you can't get
access to a GP, it's fifteen minutes tops. Sometimes they're interested,
sometimes they're not, and it's become this thing where people
don't follow their health journey the way they used to
because of the access to the health. So what you've
(04:04):
already given us in this three and a half minutes
that you've been on air is a level of complexity
and detail that may well blow most people's minds. You
see what I'm saying, And so where do I get
this information? If the doctor just goes you're on the
range of normal, I'll see you in six months.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I'm a big fan for us also participating in our
own health journey, So I really encourage people to get
copies of their own blood test results so they can
see they can track their own levels and see patterns
whether they're going up in something or going down in something.
And then that also with these sorts of conversations that
then foster is a patient to say to their doctor,
(04:41):
can you help me understand this a bit better? And
it might mean that they actually get some treatment.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
That's a hurdle for many people too, isn't it, Because
if you're going to the doctor, the doctor's the expert.
You know nothing, So why would you ask I assume
I'm like everyone else with the GV You get a portal.
These days, you can track your bloods on a portal.
You can see the chart and all that sort of
that standard practice I'm assuming with GPS, so you can participate.
So in iron, what you also learned is that it's
not just iron. Iron does this, and you need that
(05:08):
to help there and suddenly it gets good. Is it complicated?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It's actually not.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I mean, my whole world is nutrition and biochemistry, and
that's why that spins my tires understanding all of this,
and it's why I tried to bring it to life
in in really easy to access kind of ways like
a book. But it's essentially it's not complicated in that
we're supposed to obtain all of our nutrition from our food,
and sadly these days it's getting harder and harder to
do that because of a thousand reasons, including soil quality.
(05:36):
So when also to copper is another really important nutrient
for iron once it's inside of us, and we all
used to have houses with copper pipes, sure, and now
they're plastic, So when the water flowed across the copper pipes,
we've got a little bit. There's a bit of copper
in some foods, but it can be a nutrient that
some people have a subclinical deficiency in, so that once
the ion's in them, it's not getting back to the
(05:56):
bone marrow, for example, to make the red blood cells.
We make two and a half million new red blood
cells every second. It's all inspiring when you think about it.
And those red blood cells can carry the hemoglobin which
iron is required for to get the oxygen to every
cell inside our body.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Excellent as far as getting anything, whether it be iron
or not, diet or supplements or both or it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Well, food first in my world, but it's very hard
to get enough these days of certain nutrients from our food,
and that's why I am a big fan of supplementation.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But it needs to be good quality.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, all whether once again, whether we're talking about iron
or not, how much is going on in science in
the evolution of knowledge, So what you say to me
this morning in tenye's time may well be completely different.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I agree, it's a really I always feel like it's exciting.
I'm a life enthusiast. But the research world is truly alive,
and our progress in understanding human health and the human body,
I still think we're at the tip of the Iceberg.
But instead, there's been a thought in my mind for
a long time. Do we live too short and die
too long? So we're privileged to live for a decent
(07:03):
amount of time, But I think that life expectancy is
going to continue to grow. But I think our opportunity
will be to live much healthier lives for longer. I
want to die healthy, and I know that sounds like
a crazy statement to make, but I think that's going
to be possible.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Do you think that's genuinely changing? What's you I mean?
I worry about asking people like you who operate in
your world, because everyone you would know would be into
it and go, oh, we're all healthy and stuff. Do
you think that message is getting through in general in
the Western world?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yes, I do, but I feel the disparity is increasing.
So I feel that there's this beautiful message coming alive
of let's look after ourselves. What the impact you have
on yourself today won't just affect how you feel today,
but also do also in the future. But the disparity
between people having access to good health care, nutritious food,
I think that's widening, and that's way more of a conception.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And what's that about is that about education, or is
that about the economy or both?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, I worry.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I worry about the affordability of junk food. When I
was growing up, junk was really expensive and now it's
really cheap. And that's I feel that from an approach perspective,
that's where we really need to start to focus, because
the whole real food is what needs to be less
expensive so that it's easily accessible for people.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And do you think people who have, say, for example,
bad diet, do they know they've got a bed Excuse me, no,
they've got a bad diet, or they don't know. They
genuinely wouldn't have a clue.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Some people won't have a clue. But I think in general,
no one's going to polish off a whole tub of
ice cream after dinner thinking I'm going to feel fabulous
after I eat this. And it's not necessarily a lack
of education that leads people to do that. And it's
why my work has three pillars by chemistry, nutrition, and
emotions or mindset if you like. And so I think
that mindset pillar is just as important to you've got.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
To be keen to do it. What I've discovered is
the it's a rabbit hole, and the more you look
down the rabbit hole, the more there is to know
and love. And that's I suppose what makes it fascinating,
doesn't it? But this is what I read yesterday. Headline
is this is red meat bad for your heart. It
may depend on who funded the study. So that was
in the New York Times. So how much is out there?
(09:13):
You're thinking, that's the way I'll hold on, No, it's not.
I mean, how many conflicted messages are they're out there?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Well, an endless array, isn't there? And you raise such
a great point. So I try to bring common sense
back to these conversations around food.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So when we look at that at red meat, humans
have been eating consuming animal foods forever for eons. What
those animals eat, though, has changed in some countries. So
I look beyond that sort of data and look at
is that animal having what I call a species specific diet?
So are the cows eating grass rather than being popped
(09:49):
up on other things like grains for example. Because it
does change the fatty acid composition, it changes all sorts
of things. So I look beyond that surface level of
a headline telling you that something is bad or good.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, inflammation, If we could tackle this another fascination. If
we could tackle inflammation, how big a difference to our
lives health wise would we make game changing?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
It's so huge, and it's the underlying element in so
many chronic diseases. So when you think we're really fortunate
to have access to extraordinary emergency medicine, but what we're
not very good at dealing with right now is lousy
metabolic health and inflammation is one of the biggest drivers
of that. And again, to keep it really simple, the
way we nourish ourselves is the absolute foundation of that
(10:32):
sunlight movement sleep. I feel we've tried to make health
quite complex and some of the answers are actually really simple,
and we're not necessarily doing those basics.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well, here's the funny thing I learned over the summer.
A person I know was a bit short on vitamin D.
Where do you get vitamin D? Sunshine exactly? So they said,
go out into the sun with no sunscreen on before
ten o'clock in the morning. But the problem was, we've
demonized the sun, and so all we do is we
slap it all over ourselves and prevent the sun in
the Bible and getting through. See that's you Mike's message again,
(11:02):
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Isn't it?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And it's so it's so tricky for people to decipher it,
and it's a game.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Way. I love biochemistry.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So every cell in the human body has a receptor
for vitamin D, so that tells and also thyroid hormones.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
But that tells me.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
If every cell in your body REQUO has a receptor
saying feed me some vitamin D.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It's obviously very important exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
See as complex as it is, actually not that complex
after all, is it. It can be simple if you
want it to be.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, it is.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
And that's why if we just think in a common
sense kind of way, so much nutrition information these days
sadly is marketing. And if we bring it back to
just thinking about again a species specific diet. Same for humans.
For so long, all we ever ate was food. And
for me, there's no such thing as junk food. There's
just junk and there's food, and right now the junk
is featuring way too much.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Fantastic, Always a thrilled to have you in the studio.
Thank you so much, Mike, Come again, see you soon,
Doctor Livy Weaver for more from the Mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
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