March 12, 2025 • 11 mins
The 2025 Formula 1 season is underway, kicking off this weekend with the first Grand Prix in Melbourne.
The season is set to be intense, with Lewis Hamilton in the drivers seat for Ferrari, Liam Lawson making his fully fledged debut as Max Verstappen’s new wingman at Red Bull, and McLaren looking like the team to beat.
Luke Smith has chased the sport for over a decade, currently working as the Formula 1 writer for the Atlantic.
He told Mike Hosking this year looks so competitive, and it’s very hard to call who’s going to be quickest.
“We go into a lot of seasons kind of thinking like, there’s normally one team that should dominate,” Smith explained.
“But this year, it really feels like anybody’s game.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're back this weekend ian Melbourne, IF one with the
New Zealand twist of course, now that Liam Lawson has
not only got a full time sleep, but a full
time sleeping one of the heavyweight teams. Luke Smith, as
Formula one rider for the Athletic, is also author of
a book called On the Grid, The Inside Trick on
Formula One. He is in Melbourne and as with us morning,
good morning Mike. Hey, I'm very well and dude, I'm
as big a fan of IF one as you can
(00:20):
possibly get. And of course we've got Liam Lawson this year,
so we are just beside ourselves. Where do you sit
on the scale of people getting excited about this weekend?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm at the very top, right there with you, I
must say. Yeah, I'm so excited for this Formula one season.
The Australian Grand Prix as well. It's always such a
great event. I think it's nice to have this back
as the first race after quite a while of it
not being the opening round. And yeah, what an amazing
year we're set for. It looks so so competitive, very
very hard to call who's going to be quickest. We
(00:49):
go into a lot of seasons kind of thinking like
there's normally one team that should dominate, but this year
it really feels like anybody's game, which is really exciting.
Lots of new blood on the grid as well, Lian
Law and among them full time now, so it's yeah,
just so much great excitement and great storylines. I think
for a.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Couple of things to work through for people who aren't
obsystems like ourselves with IF one. First of all, this
is the last year of the current regulation, so the
general consensus is that things are going to tighten up
in terms of performance.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You would agree with it, yeah, I woulds Yeah, So
the design rules have been pretty stable now for about
five years, so it kind of means that everybody centers
on what is the quickest way to design their cars
and what the best thing to do is, so it
sort of naturally brings everybody together, and then when everything
changes for next year, one team will usually find that
the best way to do something and the field kind
(01:40):
of blows open again. So I really encourage anyone watching
F one this year to enjoy just how close and
competitive it will be, because it's not like this every year,
and next year could be a very different story. But yeah,
I think this should be one of the most competitive
seasons in recent F one history.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And then we go to testing in Bahrain. See what
I've got. One agreed that McLaren's best, Ferrari, Mercedes there
or thereabouts. Red Bull didn't do enough LEPs to get
a true read. Williams is probably the best of the midfield,
Elpine might be up there with them, and Saba are
still useless.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, that's pretty much the case. Yeah, it's I think
McLaren's testing was really really impressive. I think just looking
the lap times and talking to other teams, like a
lot of them were quite quite impressed by what they
managed to do. But I think we're now in an
era where even that is not going to be It's
not going to sort of set the season. It's not
like previous years where red Bull turned up to testing
dominating it. It's like, well, that's it, let's come back
(02:35):
next year. I think it's going to be a lot
closer this year. I think that McLaren might be that
step ahead. But yeah, Mercedes, Ferrari, red Bull all in
that ballpark. They've got some amazing drivers as well. Lewis
Hamilton at Ferrari, char La Clerk maxis Staff and a
Red Bull like you can never really write them off.
So it's yeah, shaping up to be a really really
close season, which I think is just fantastic news for
(02:56):
the sport and for anyone who loves the sport. It's
just going to make for great watching.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Me your view on Liam Lawson because we're hopelessly biased
and we're desperate for him to do will But from
all my international reading of people who don't hit the
same investment, they worry a lot about what's expected of them.
Is that fear.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think that being in that second Red Bull seat,
like it automatically brings a lot of pressure, is by
Red Bull's owner mission the toughest seat in Formula One.
Like to try and compare yourself to maxistappin is an
almost impossible task. But I think what Liam has done
to prepare for this has been excellent. Like he's not
really put a foot wrong, I don't think in terms
of his sort of just his confidence and assurance as well.
(03:36):
It's not really something I've seen from a lot of
the previous young drivers he's been at Red Bull, Like,
Liam is incredibly confident, he sort of knows what he's doing.
He's very, very self invested, so I think that that
is it's going to set him. I think apart from
the others. He says his driving style is quite similar
to Maxi Stappans, so I hope it means that they're
able to get similar things out of the car. So yeah,
(03:59):
I think that it's you want to proceed with a
bit of caution just because of what's happened at Red
Bull in the past. But from everything I've seen so
far Andan just his attitude, like, I'm really really impressed
by Liam, And yeah, I think it could be a
very exciting season for him. But I think the big
thing for him and Red Bull is not to expect
him to be maxis Dappen. Like Max is an all
time great, is an incredible driver. If Liam can even
(04:21):
get close to Max, that would be a pretty sensational result.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And thet's how these things are me It's not necessarily
wins and losses. It is wins and losses, but it's
how you compere to the step and how your team performs.
Are you getting if mex Is getting a podium, you
getting a podium? Are you closing points? Are you guys
heading towards the constructors success and that's what they're expecting
of them.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah. I think that's what hurt them
last year with Sergio perra Is is that they lost
the Constructors Championship because he was so far behind Maxistappen.
And if he'd have even been, like I don't know,
a couple of tenths off instead of half a second off,
that makes all the world a difference. So I think
with Liam they just want him to be that safe
pair of hands, really come in and lift that side
(05:01):
of the garage and yeah, just get as close as
he cans Max. They don't expect to have to Maxistappens.
I think that's that'd be a one and a blue
moon thing. But if he can get anywhere close hopefully
score a couple of race wins at least this year,
then I think that would be a very nice return
for his first full season at Red Bull.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Now these rookies, so let's have a look at these
bought aletto Antonelli harder of course Beerman doing an ill painting.
Who's the pick of the bunch? I mean, they make
a lot of Antonelli. Is he the genius they make
him out to be.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I think he's got a lot of potential. Yeah, and
like he's only eighteen years old. He literally only got
his driver's license in the offseason. He's that young. So
he's a real incredible talent. And Mercedes have been invested
in him since he was about eleven, and they really
really do rate him very highly. He I think he's
quite prone to maybe sort of pushing a little bit
too far at times, so I think it's gonna be
quite interesting to see how he rains that and a
(05:50):
little bit. He crashed on his practice debut in F
one last year, but from everything I've heard about Antonelli,
he is the real deal. Like he's an incredible driver,
and I think this could be fascinating to see how
he develops through his first season. But also Oli Behman
as well, the harsh driver backed by Ferrari. He had
his last minute day before Ferrari last year when Carlo
(06:10):
Science was out with appendicitis, and he immediately just took
to it so so quickly and was so impressive. So
I think those two are the They've got the potential
to be the real rookie stars of this year. And yeah,
it's just exciting to have so many new faces and
new drivers, and it's dramastically brought the average age of
the grid down as well, which is never a bad
thing for F one.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I feel very sorry for Doing because one that's his
home race is an opening race. He's sitting there at Ilpene.
They've got Cola Pinto is a reserve driver with this
ongoing chet that color Pinto brings a pile of Argentinian money.
Doing doesn't he bid a performer else's I mean, that's pressure,
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It is, Yeah, and it's quite harsh for a young
driver who, yeah, is realizing his childhood dream this weekend
in Australia to be lining up for his first full
left one season and already people are talking about him
maybe losing his seat, like it is a lot of
pressure to put on him. But Doing has handled it
pretty well so far. Like we've asked him a lot
of questions on the subject is to be expected, but
he's always knocked it back quite confidently, and he's pointed
(07:11):
out that he was in a similar positions Colopinzo last
year in terms of being an ALPEAM reserve driver with
the long term contract. And I think the biggest thing
he can do now is just perform. Like, so long
as he is quick on the track, as long as
he's able to be a close match for Pierre Gasly,
his teammate, then there will really be no reason for
Alpeens to think about a change. F one is brutal.
He knows that. But if he can deliver, then that'll
(07:32):
be the best answer I think to all of these questions, what.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
About some of the couple of the Hibbie Whites, Well,
what do they expect of Himilton? I mean, to get
rid of science for Himilton?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Is?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean, given what science can do, the pressures on Himilton,
actually isn't it to actually perform?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I think so? Yeah, I think that for Lewis, like
that is it's such an amazing story, like the uniting
of Ferrari and Lewis Hamilton like the most successful driver
with F one's most successful team. But ultimately, now it's
time to Now it's time to deliver, like all all
of the sort of like hype that's been building up
over the past year or so, the incredible sort of
pictures we've seen in the early part of this season
(08:11):
as he's getting used to life as a Ferrari driver,
really Now it's just how quick is the car on
the track. Like if he gets to qualifying in Melbourne
and he's like a step behind Charlott Claire across the garage,
You're like, oh, well that's the biggest thing here. It
really does just come down to the results and what
that can do. So I think for Lewis, like he's
in a good place at the moment, Like he's happier
(08:33):
than I've seen him in a few years. He's really
really upbeat. He's really bought into the whole sort of
myth the round Ferrari and like being a Ferrari driver.
But yeah, the pressure is on now it's time to
deliver and kind of show that the past couple of
years of struggles it's been more a Mercedes carving rather
than a Lewis Hamilton thing.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Tell you, what I'd really like is for Carlos sites who,
as far as I can work out, everyone loves him
and he was hard done by for him to take
that Williams and James VAL's I'm a big fan of
as well, and he seems to have something good going
with that side. And if they can somehow return that
to a semblance of what it once was under Frank
Then that's a good story for the season, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Absolutely Yeah, I think that for Williams is a long
term project and I think that James Vows has been
very clear about that from day one. And now I
think getting a driver of Carlos Science's ability, like, yeah,
I think if it was anyone other than Lewis Hamilton,
for I would have happily kept Science because he was
just that good for them. So I think that long
term he can really help lead that team forward. And yeah,
(09:32):
I think get it back to where it deserves to be.
The Williams name in F one. It has such a
strong meaning, such a successful history as well, and it's
really been a shadow of its former self for quite
a long time. It's suffered from years of under investment.
But now it does seem to be on the right
path under James Vows. And I think getting Science was
a really big statement of just proving the value that
(09:54):
people do see in this project that you've got to
drive off his ability, being like, you know what, for
the long term, that's where I'm wanting to be.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Right o' lake Smith here it is, pressure's on before
the first race of the season. Call it now the Constructors'
champion is and the Drivers' champion is.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Oh, okay, I am going to I'm going to say
McLaren wins the Constructor's Championship again. I think that Landon
Norris and Oscar Piastro. It's a very strong lineup. I
think they can they can do well together. And then
for the driver's World champion I've been changing my mind
daily recently because it's just so so close, But I do,
I do think this could be Lando Norris's year. I
(10:34):
think that the way he finished last season was really
really impressive. I think that he showed that he's getting
ready to be able to fight Max stap In a
bit more. And I think that if he can start
this season strongly, it could set him on a really
good path. So yeah, I'm gonna now my flag to
the mass and pick Lando Norris to win the World Championship.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Good on you. We'll get you back on before the
end of the season. For now, though, I go, well
this week, I appreciate your time lovely to talk.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Terrific. Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
So that's Luke Smith out of the athletic by the way, whetherwise,
it's so Melbourne tomorrow, which has practiced day twenty four
degrees and reasonably fine Saturday thirty and cloudy raining on
race day. By the time race starts, it's a fifty
to fifty chance, but it's had some fairly heavy showers
in the morning and back down to twenty three degrees,
so it could be really interesting. For more from the
(11:19):
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We're back this weekend ian Melbourne, IF one with the
New Zealand twist of course, now that Liam Lawson has
not only got a full time sleep, but a full
time sleeping one of the heavyweight teams. Luke Smith, as
Formula one rider for the Athletic, is also author of
a book called On the Grid, The Inside Trick on
Formula One. He is in Melbourne and as with us morning,
good morning Mike. Hey, I'm very well and dude, I'm
as big a fan of IF one as you can
(00:20):
possibly get. And of course we've got Liam Lawson this year,
so we are just beside ourselves. Where do you sit
on the scale of people getting excited about this weekend?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm at the very top, right there with you, I
must say. Yeah, I'm so excited for this Formula one season.
The Australian Grand Prix as well. It's always such a
great event. I think it's nice to have this back
as the first race after quite a while of it
not being the opening round. And yeah, what an amazing
year we're set for. It looks so so competitive, very
very hard to call who's going to be quickest. We
(00:49):
go into a lot of seasons kind of thinking like
there's normally one team that should dominate, but this year
it really feels like anybody's game, which is really exciting.
Lots of new blood on the grid as well, Lian
Law and among them full time now, so it's yeah,
just so much great excitement and great storylines. I think
for a.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Couple of things to work through for people who aren't
obsystems like ourselves with IF one. First of all, this
is the last year of the current regulation, so the
general consensus is that things are going to tighten up
in terms of performance.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You would agree with it, yeah, I woulds Yeah, So
the design rules have been pretty stable now for about
five years, so it kind of means that everybody centers
on what is the quickest way to design their cars
and what the best thing to do is, so it
sort of naturally brings everybody together, and then when everything
changes for next year, one team will usually find that
the best way to do something and the field kind
(01:40):
of blows open again. So I really encourage anyone watching
F one this year to enjoy just how close and
competitive it will be, because it's not like this every year,
and next year could be a very different story. But yeah,
I think this should be one of the most competitive
seasons in recent F one history.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And then we go to testing in Bahrain. See what
I've got. One agreed that McLaren's best, Ferrari, Mercedes there
or thereabouts. Red Bull didn't do enough LEPs to get
a true read. Williams is probably the best of the midfield,
Elpine might be up there with them, and Saba are
still useless.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, that's pretty much the case. Yeah, it's I think
McLaren's testing was really really impressive. I think just looking
the lap times and talking to other teams, like a
lot of them were quite quite impressed by what they
managed to do. But I think we're now in an
era where even that is not going to be It's
not going to sort of set the season. It's not
like previous years where red Bull turned up to testing
dominating it. It's like, well, that's it, let's come back
(02:35):
next year. I think it's going to be a lot
closer this year. I think that McLaren might be that
step ahead. But yeah, Mercedes, Ferrari, red Bull all in
that ballpark. They've got some amazing drivers as well. Lewis
Hamilton at Ferrari, char La Clerk maxis Staff and a
Red Bull like you can never really write them off.
So it's yeah, shaping up to be a really really
close season, which I think is just fantastic news for
(02:56):
the sport and for anyone who loves the sport. It's
just going to make for great watching.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Me your view on Liam Lawson because we're hopelessly biased
and we're desperate for him to do will But from
all my international reading of people who don't hit the
same investment, they worry a lot about what's expected of them.
Is that fear.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I think that being in that second Red Bull seat,
like it automatically brings a lot of pressure, is by
Red Bull's owner mission the toughest seat in Formula One.
Like to try and compare yourself to maxistappin is an
almost impossible task. But I think what Liam has done
to prepare for this has been excellent. Like he's not
really put a foot wrong, I don't think in terms
of his sort of just his confidence and assurance as well.
(03:36):
It's not really something I've seen from a lot of
the previous young drivers he's been at Red Bull, Like,
Liam is incredibly confident, he sort of knows what he's doing.
He's very, very self invested, so I think that that
is it's going to set him. I think apart from
the others. He says his driving style is quite similar
to Maxi Stappans, so I hope it means that they're
able to get similar things out of the car. So yeah,
(03:59):
I think that it's you want to proceed with a
bit of caution just because of what's happened at Red
Bull in the past. But from everything I've seen so
far Andan just his attitude, like, I'm really really impressed
by Liam, And yeah, I think it could be a
very exciting season for him. But I think the big
thing for him and Red Bull is not to expect
him to be maxis Dappen. Like Max is an all
time great, is an incredible driver. If Liam can even
(04:21):
get close to Max, that would be a pretty sensational result.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And thet's how these things are me It's not necessarily
wins and losses. It is wins and losses, but it's
how you compere to the step and how your team performs.
Are you getting if mex Is getting a podium, you
getting a podium? Are you closing points? Are you guys
heading towards the constructors success and that's what they're expecting
of them.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah. I think that's what hurt them
last year with Sergio perra Is is that they lost
the Constructors Championship because he was so far behind Maxistappen.
And if he'd have even been, like I don't know,
a couple of tenths off instead of half a second off,
that makes all the world a difference. So I think
with Liam they just want him to be that safe
pair of hands, really come in and lift that side
(05:01):
of the garage and yeah, just get as close as
he cans Max. They don't expect to have to Maxistappens.
I think that's that'd be a one and a blue
moon thing. But if he can get anywhere close hopefully
score a couple of race wins at least this year,
then I think that would be a very nice return
for his first full season at Red Bull.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Now these rookies, so let's have a look at these
bought aletto Antonelli harder of course Beerman doing an ill painting.
Who's the pick of the bunch? I mean, they make
a lot of Antonelli. Is he the genius they make
him out to be.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I think he's got a lot of potential. Yeah, and
like he's only eighteen years old. He literally only got
his driver's license in the offseason. He's that young. So
he's a real incredible talent. And Mercedes have been invested
in him since he was about eleven, and they really
really do rate him very highly. He I think he's
quite prone to maybe sort of pushing a little bit
too far at times, so I think it's gonna be
quite interesting to see how he rains that and a
(05:50):
little bit. He crashed on his practice debut in F
one last year, but from everything I've heard about Antonelli,
he is the real deal. Like he's an incredible driver,
and I think this could be fascinating to see how
he develops through his first season. But also Oli Behman
as well, the harsh driver backed by Ferrari. He had
his last minute day before Ferrari last year when Carlo
(06:10):
Science was out with appendicitis, and he immediately just took
to it so so quickly and was so impressive. So
I think those two are the They've got the potential
to be the real rookie stars of this year. And yeah,
it's just exciting to have so many new faces and
new drivers, and it's dramastically brought the average age of
the grid down as well, which is never a bad
thing for F one.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I feel very sorry for Doing because one that's his
home race is an opening race. He's sitting there at Ilpene.
They've got Cola Pinto is a reserve driver with this
ongoing chet that color Pinto brings a pile of Argentinian money.
Doing doesn't he bid a performer else's I mean, that's pressure,
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It is, Yeah, and it's quite harsh for a young
driver who, yeah, is realizing his childhood dream this weekend
in Australia to be lining up for his first full
left one season and already people are talking about him
maybe losing his seat, like it is a lot of
pressure to put on him. But Doing has handled it
pretty well so far. Like we've asked him a lot
of questions on the subject is to be expected, but
he's always knocked it back quite confidently, and he's pointed
(07:11):
out that he was in a similar positions Colopinzo last
year in terms of being an ALPEAM reserve driver with
the long term contract. And I think the biggest thing
he can do now is just perform. Like, so long
as he is quick on the track, as long as
he's able to be a close match for Pierre Gasly,
his teammate, then there will really be no reason for
Alpeens to think about a change. F one is brutal.
He knows that. But if he can deliver, then that'll
(07:32):
be the best answer I think to all of these questions, what.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
About some of the couple of the Hibbie Whites, Well,
what do they expect of Himilton? I mean, to get
rid of science for Himilton?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Is?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean, given what science can do, the pressures on Himilton,
actually isn't it to actually perform?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I think so? Yeah, I think that for Lewis, like
that is it's such an amazing story, like the uniting
of Ferrari and Lewis Hamilton like the most successful driver
with F one's most successful team. But ultimately, now it's
time to Now it's time to deliver, like all all
of the sort of like hype that's been building up
over the past year or so, the incredible sort of
pictures we've seen in the early part of this season
(08:11):
as he's getting used to life as a Ferrari driver,
really Now it's just how quick is the car on
the track. Like if he gets to qualifying in Melbourne
and he's like a step behind Charlott Claire across the garage,
You're like, oh, well that's the biggest thing here. It
really does just come down to the results and what
that can do. So I think for Lewis, like he's
in a good place at the moment, Like he's happier
(08:33):
than I've seen him in a few years. He's really
really upbeat. He's really bought into the whole sort of
myth the round Ferrari and like being a Ferrari driver.
But yeah, the pressure is on now it's time to
deliver and kind of show that the past couple of
years of struggles it's been more a Mercedes carving rather
than a Lewis Hamilton thing.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Tell you, what I'd really like is for Carlos sites who,
as far as I can work out, everyone loves him
and he was hard done by for him to take
that Williams and James VAL's I'm a big fan of
as well, and he seems to have something good going
with that side. And if they can somehow return that
to a semblance of what it once was under Frank
Then that's a good story for the season, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Absolutely Yeah, I think that for Williams is a long
term project and I think that James Vows has been
very clear about that from day one. And now I
think getting a driver of Carlos Science's ability, like, yeah,
I think if it was anyone other than Lewis Hamilton,
for I would have happily kept Science because he was
just that good for them. So I think that long
term he can really help lead that team forward. And yeah,
(09:32):
I think get it back to where it deserves to be.
The Williams name in F one. It has such a
strong meaning, such a successful history as well, and it's
really been a shadow of its former self for quite
a long time. It's suffered from years of under investment.
But now it does seem to be on the right
path under James Vows. And I think getting Science was
a really big statement of just proving the value that
(09:54):
people do see in this project that you've got to
drive off his ability, being like, you know what, for
the long term, that's where I'm wanting to be.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Right o' lake Smith here it is, pressure's on before
the first race of the season. Call it now the Constructors'
champion is and the Drivers' champion is.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Oh, okay, I am going to I'm going to say
McLaren wins the Constructor's Championship again. I think that Landon
Norris and Oscar Piastro. It's a very strong lineup. I
think they can they can do well together. And then
for the driver's World champion I've been changing my mind
daily recently because it's just so so close, But I do,
I do think this could be Lando Norris's year. I
(10:34):
think that the way he finished last season was really
really impressive. I think that he showed that he's getting
ready to be able to fight Max stap In a
bit more. And I think that if he can start
this season strongly, it could set him on a really
good path. So yeah, I'm gonna now my flag to
the mass and pick Lando Norris to win the World Championship.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Good on you. We'll get you back on before the
end of the season. For now, though, I go, well
this week, I appreciate your time lovely to talk.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Terrific. Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
So that's Luke Smith out of the athletic by the way, whetherwise,
it's so Melbourne tomorrow, which has practiced day twenty four
degrees and reasonably fine Saturday thirty and cloudy raining on
race day. By the time race starts, it's a fifty
to fifty chance, but it's had some fairly heavy showers
in the morning and back down to twenty three degrees,
so it could be really interesting. For more from the
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