November 28, 2024 • 8 mins
The Australian senate's passed world-first laws preventing under 16s from using social media.
The ban will come into force at the end of next year, and social media companies will face fines if they fail to take reasonable steps to keep children off.
The ABC reports the late vote last night came as the government rammed through most of its legislative agenda on the final sitting day of the year.
Australia correspondent Murray Olds told Mike Hosking that messaging apps will be exempt.
He says the onus will be on companies to check the ages of users, and he questions what's stopping a 14-year-old saying they're older.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Me, I'll make Murray Olds as well as how are
you man?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Very good morning, Michael, pretty good, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Pretty now, Simon Boomingham. They sort of got taken by surprise.
Was mid afternoon. I happened to be watching Sky Television
and they said, oh, Birmingham's going and it seemed to
be like he said, woke up yesterday morning, called a
meeting in the caucus, said I'm off. Then he gave
his valedictory and that's that.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Is that how it worked?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Well, that's what it's the way it seems, you know.
Obviously this has been sometime in the making. His wife
is also involved in politics down in South Australia. He's
been there for seventeen years. He's been very significant player
in under Morrison. For example, he was what ministry did
he have?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I just forget now.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
But look he's the leading moderate on the liberal side
of parliament of politics in this country. He's one of
the biggest moderates and him going will as being seen
here this morning as gee whiz. Look at the right
bearing their fangs, the hard right, and they're trying to get.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
One of their own in. Is that going to be possible?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I'm not sure, but there's going to be a Senate
selection down on Southeastry only when the next election is called.
You would imagine it's going to come from the moderates,
because these intra party fights over moderates, right left factions
and so on, they never look good in public. Might know, so, look,
he's going to be missed. He's been a good, very
good performer, I think for the conservative side of politics
(01:18):
here and he will be missed, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
About the parliaments wrapping up, of course, and they've been
madly trying to pass any number of bits of legislation
with no sort of inside look at all. But the
question being when do you reckon the election is because
the word yesterday was he elbow is quite keen to
go earlier, and he's being talked out of it.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well, I'm not privy to the internal workings of the
federal Labor Party machine, but Alban Eazy says last night
on national television he said we're going to be back
in February at least for a fortnight to look at
remaining bills that it wasn't able to ram through.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
They got through thirty one bills last night. You say,
buggerall scrutiny. Just trust us. This will be fine on
the day.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
But you know, the election is going to be set
against the backdrop of the continuing cost of living crisis.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You've got Peter.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Dutton riding pretty high in the polls and landing blow
after blow on the government. Albaneze looks pretty chipper though,
and the big line he rolled out last night, we've
got your back. This is going to be a major
campaign slogan. I suggest for Labor in the election. Whenever
it's called, it must be called Mike by May, as
(02:31):
we've discussed previously.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But February March. They you know, they got off March.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Let's say again they've got a budget in March.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
They've got a budget in March, but there's no you
know that they could bring it down. And I mean
he could call an election, say on Australia Day the
it's about a thirty five day minimum.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Window, so that would take us through.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Maybe you can drop a budget in the start of
March and go straight to an election promising all sorts
of things. You know, cost of relief, that's the biggest item.
The cost of living over here is really squeezing people big,
big time, and I.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Reckon he's going to it, and I'll say he is
in the I think he is on the latter part
of November because I'm a big, big believer and we've
seen it with Trump, and we saw it in this
country when you do the poll and you had one
this week. Is the country going in the right direction
the moment the majority say no, your toast?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
And that was a very big line from Donald Trump,
wasn't it. Are you better off now than you were
four years ago?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And if you frame it that way, there are mums
and dads sitting around the dining table at night all
over Australia saying, Blundy, hell, we are we going to
get the mortgage this week? The kids need new ship,
whatever it is, and the money isn't going far enough.
And that's going to be a very potent election campaign
slogan for Peter Dutton, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Interesting is have you seen the Kamela Harris video.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
No.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I actually meant to look at it last night. I
got distracted.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I was well, you can't answer this question. Look at
it later today because you'll know what I mean. I
was going to ask, who's crazy? A Kamela Harris Oldia Thorpe.
Is she literally insane?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
She thought, what's her problem?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, look, I don't know. She simply after publicity. She's
getting plenty of that are their issues, you know, more
significant health issues, perhaps because she is just she's almost
out of control in the Senate. I mean, they've never
seen behavior like this. You know, she stormed out of
the King's speech, you know, screaming and ranting and raving.
(04:31):
She was banned from the Senate this week for forty
eight hours the last two sitting days because she attacked
Pauline Hanson's you know, there was a measure that Hanson
proposed targeting Fatima Payman, who was in fact an Afghan citizen.
You're not supposed to be anything other than an Australian
citizen to sit in the Australian Parliament. As you know,
(04:52):
Payment was unable to renounce her Afghan citizen citizenship because
the Teleban's in power back back in Afghanistan where she born.
So she accused Hanson of being a racist. Thorpe has
thrown this stuff up in the air and storm out
of the chamber with a middle finger up and she
was banned for two days while she's talking around outside
(05:13):
the open doors of the Senate wearing a T shirt
I think with Palestinian slogans, howling and screaming.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I mean, just nuts.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I'm crazy, absolutely crazy. The reason as we had the
Murray Party here, a minor party in our parliament. They
went crazy the other day in the House and so
they're still to deal with that. And I'm hoping they'll
get a band as well. Speaking of bands, this social
media thing, yes you passed it, and yes every headline
goes the first in the world, but literally, how's that
going to work?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
But no one knows, Mike, no one has a clue.
I mean, you talk to any you know, ten year old,
twelve year old. Oh, we'll get around this in thirty seconds.
And who's going to be held liable? Is it really
going to be Elon Musk and you know TikTok.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And all amos is going to get held libel Murray?
I mean, it's just like this is everything that's wrong
with politics. I mean, everyone agrees it's a problem, and
everyone agrees that would be nice of the social media
companies pull their finger out and behave themselves a bit better.
But the reason that's the world first is because everyone
else has looked at it already and there is no
answer to the problem. If there was, they would have
done it.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Indeed, So basically anyone under the age of sixteen in
Australia will be banned from social media sites, not messaging apps, no,
but the owners will be on companies to check the
age of users. Well, what's to stop a fourteen year
old saying I'm seventeen or twenty so long.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
As when you go on the boose sites, you know
are you eighteen?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yes? I am crazy?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
A does it help? Am I being unfair? Tell me
if I'm being unfair? But when I see I look
at the poor bloker got found guilty for tasering the woman.
He looks like a guy who's either you know, you
know when you look at him and go oh yeah,
I can see why that happened.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well, the very much.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Divided opinion in New South Wales, it must be said,
I mean he's a thirty four year old police officer.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He Christian White.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
He was found guilty this week of manslaughter, which carries
a twenty five year penalty in jail. And obviously Claire
Now and a ninety five year old great grandmother. She
was on a walking frame in her nursing home. She
armed with a knife. She'd been into the bedroom of
at least one other resident of the nursing home with
two knives, and they tried to talk her out and
(07:22):
then he said, oh, bugger it and zap.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
To excuse my ignorance.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Did they ever get in the trial to the bottom
of it, because it's incomprehensible knife or not that you
can't see how old, how frail she is, and clearly
she's not well, and therefore the taser is not required.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I mean, I get it, you get it.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And there were two police officers there as well as
two paramedics.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I mean, you're telling me that.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Four trained people can't disarm an old, ninety five year
old lady.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You didn't know whether the heck she was. I mean,
it was amazing, just dreadful.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Or have you done a Christmas shop? Is it Black
Friday in Australia today?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
By the way, Oh god, I'm trying to avoid all
Black Friday nonsense. I'll go to the golf club, mic
I might get a you know, a dozen golf balls
for forty bucks and that will do me.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
So what it costs in Australia. Tour balls forty bucks.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, you know you can get those on special. I
was at I was at a golf shop yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Just walking around.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
You know, a bit like women going to shoe shops.
I shouldn't geralize.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I love going to I love going to golf shops.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
It's a bit like the ladies go shopping.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
The it's just the top of one. I even needed
to buy twelve because I never lost the Murray. I
just bought one.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh. I listened to you all right.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Down, and the thing is, I've still got.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It very good.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I keep doing well.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Big time.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Catch up next week. Murray Olds is for more from
the Mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Listen live to news talks.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
Me, I'll make Murray Olds as well as how are
you man?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Very good morning, Michael, pretty good, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Pretty now, Simon Boomingham. They sort of got taken by surprise.
Was mid afternoon. I happened to be watching Sky Television
and they said, oh, Birmingham's going and it seemed to
be like he said, woke up yesterday morning, called a
meeting in the caucus, said I'm off. Then he gave
his valedictory and that's that.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Is that how it worked?
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Well, that's what it's the way it seems, you know.
Obviously this has been sometime in the making. His wife
is also involved in politics down in South Australia. He's
been there for seventeen years. He's been very significant player
in under Morrison. For example, he was what ministry did
he have?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I just forget now.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
But look he's the leading moderate on the liberal side
of parliament of politics in this country. He's one of
the biggest moderates and him going will as being seen
here this morning as gee whiz. Look at the right
bearing their fangs, the hard right, and they're trying to get.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
One of their own in. Is that going to be possible?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I'm not sure, but there's going to be a Senate
selection down on Southeastry only when the next election is called.
You would imagine it's going to come from the moderates,
because these intra party fights over moderates, right left factions
and so on, they never look good in public. Might know, so, look,
he's going to be missed. He's been a good, very
good performer, I think for the conservative side of politics
(01:18):
here and he will be missed, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
About the parliaments wrapping up, of course, and they've been
madly trying to pass any number of bits of legislation
with no sort of inside look at all. But the
question being when do you reckon the election is because
the word yesterday was he elbow is quite keen to
go earlier, and he's being talked out of it.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well, I'm not privy to the internal workings of the
federal Labor Party machine, but Alban Eazy says last night
on national television he said we're going to be back
in February at least for a fortnight to look at
remaining bills that it wasn't able to ram through.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
They got through thirty one bills last night. You say,
buggerall scrutiny. Just trust us. This will be fine on
the day.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
But you know, the election is going to be set
against the backdrop of the continuing cost of living crisis.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You've got Peter.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Dutton riding pretty high in the polls and landing blow
after blow on the government. Albaneze looks pretty chipper though,
and the big line he rolled out last night, we've
got your back. This is going to be a major
campaign slogan. I suggest for Labor in the election. Whenever
it's called, it must be called Mike by May, as
(02:31):
we've discussed previously.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But February March. They you know, they got off March.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Let's say again they've got a budget in March.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
They've got a budget in March, but there's no you
know that they could bring it down. And I mean
he could call an election, say on Australia Day the
it's about a thirty five day minimum.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Window, so that would take us through.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Maybe you can drop a budget in the start of
March and go straight to an election promising all sorts
of things. You know, cost of relief, that's the biggest item.
The cost of living over here is really squeezing people big,
big time, and I.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Reckon he's going to it, and I'll say he is
in the I think he is on the latter part
of November because I'm a big, big believer and we've
seen it with Trump, and we saw it in this
country when you do the poll and you had one
this week. Is the country going in the right direction
the moment the majority say no, your toast?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
And that was a very big line from Donald Trump,
wasn't it. Are you better off now than you were
four years ago?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And if you frame it that way, there are mums
and dads sitting around the dining table at night all
over Australia saying, Blundy, hell, we are we going to
get the mortgage this week? The kids need new ship,
whatever it is, and the money isn't going far enough.
And that's going to be a very potent election campaign
slogan for Peter Dutton, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Interesting is have you seen the Kamela Harris video.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
No.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I actually meant to look at it last night. I
got distracted.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I was well, you can't answer this question. Look at
it later today because you'll know what I mean. I
was going to ask, who's crazy? A Kamela Harris Oldia Thorpe.
Is she literally insane?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
She thought, what's her problem?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, look, I don't know. She simply after publicity. She's
getting plenty of that are their issues, you know, more
significant health issues, perhaps because she is just she's almost
out of control in the Senate. I mean, they've never
seen behavior like this. You know, she stormed out of
the King's speech, you know, screaming and ranting and raving.
(04:31):
She was banned from the Senate this week for forty
eight hours the last two sitting days because she attacked
Pauline Hanson's you know, there was a measure that Hanson
proposed targeting Fatima Payman, who was in fact an Afghan citizen.
You're not supposed to be anything other than an Australian
citizen to sit in the Australian Parliament. As you know,
(04:52):
Payment was unable to renounce her Afghan citizen citizenship because
the Teleban's in power back back in Afghanistan where she born.
So she accused Hanson of being a racist. Thorpe has
thrown this stuff up in the air and storm out
of the chamber with a middle finger up and she
was banned for two days while she's talking around outside
(05:13):
the open doors of the Senate wearing a T shirt
I think with Palestinian slogans, howling and screaming.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I mean, just nuts.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I'm crazy, absolutely crazy. The reason as we had the
Murray Party here, a minor party in our parliament. They
went crazy the other day in the House and so
they're still to deal with that. And I'm hoping they'll
get a band as well. Speaking of bands, this social
media thing, yes you passed it, and yes every headline
goes the first in the world, but literally, how's that
going to work?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
But no one knows, Mike, no one has a clue.
I mean, you talk to any you know, ten year old,
twelve year old. Oh, we'll get around this in thirty seconds.
And who's going to be held liable? Is it really
going to be Elon Musk and you know TikTok.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And all amos is going to get held libel Murray?
I mean, it's just like this is everything that's wrong
with politics. I mean, everyone agrees it's a problem, and
everyone agrees that would be nice of the social media
companies pull their finger out and behave themselves a bit better.
But the reason that's the world first is because everyone
else has looked at it already and there is no
answer to the problem. If there was, they would have
done it.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Indeed, So basically anyone under the age of sixteen in
Australia will be banned from social media sites, not messaging apps, no,
but the owners will be on companies to check the
age of users. Well, what's to stop a fourteen year
old saying I'm seventeen or twenty so long.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
As when you go on the boose sites, you know
are you eighteen?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yes? I am crazy?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
A does it help? Am I being unfair? Tell me
if I'm being unfair? But when I see I look
at the poor bloker got found guilty for tasering the woman.
He looks like a guy who's either you know, you
know when you look at him and go oh yeah,
I can see why that happened.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well, the very much.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Divided opinion in New South Wales, it must be said,
I mean he's a thirty four year old police officer.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He Christian White.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
He was found guilty this week of manslaughter, which carries
a twenty five year penalty in jail. And obviously Claire
Now and a ninety five year old great grandmother. She
was on a walking frame in her nursing home. She
armed with a knife. She'd been into the bedroom of
at least one other resident of the nursing home with
two knives, and they tried to talk her out and
(07:22):
then he said, oh, bugger it and zap.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
To excuse my ignorance.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Did they ever get in the trial to the bottom
of it, because it's incomprehensible knife or not that you
can't see how old, how frail she is, and clearly
she's not well, and therefore the taser is not required.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, I mean, I get it, you get it.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And there were two police officers there as well as
two paramedics.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I mean, you're telling me that.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Four trained people can't disarm an old, ninety five year
old lady.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You didn't know whether the heck she was. I mean,
it was amazing, just dreadful.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Or have you done a Christmas shop? Is it Black
Friday in Australia today?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
By the way, Oh god, I'm trying to avoid all
Black Friday nonsense. I'll go to the golf club, mic
I might get a you know, a dozen golf balls
for forty bucks and that will do me.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
So what it costs in Australia. Tour balls forty bucks.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Yeah, you know you can get those on special. I
was at I was at a golf shop yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Just walking around.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
You know, a bit like women going to shoe shops.
I shouldn't geralize.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I love going to I love going to golf shops.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
It's a bit like the ladies go shopping.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
The it's just the top of one. I even needed
to buy twelve because I never lost the Murray. I
just bought one.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh. I listened to you all right.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Down, and the thing is, I've still got.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It very good.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I keep doing well.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Big time.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Catch up next week. Murray Olds is for more from
the Mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Listen live to news talks.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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