Labour’s Ginny Andersen and National’s Mark Mitchell are back with Mike Hosking for Politics Wednesday.
Today they discussed Ginny’s numerical mistake when it comes to the number of police on the beat, the tourism levy, and the amount of weight given to official advice on any given day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for politics. Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along with
Ginny Anderson. Very good morning to both of you. Good
morning now, Ginny, take us through, and I mean this.
You know I love you, but take us through. Take
us through the anatomy of a numerical cock up, the
size of which you were responsible for last week and
when it came to the police beat.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Before I do that, I have to apologize in advance.
I'm at the airport and I had a bright idea
that I'd go in the Cortery dounge showers because it
will be quiet. So it is quite, but there's a
really big speaker and if they announced a flight going
out to New Plymouth, I apologize for that.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Okay, so you are in the shower cubicle. I am
in the Corey Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What are your port are you at?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm at Wellington, Fine to Auckland.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Okay. I've got fifty dollars for the first person who's
listening to us in the Corey Lounge in Wellington who
busts in the knocks on the door in the middle
of the progress.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's three out in the empty shop.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It was safe.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Good on you right now. So how did you get
the numbers so wrong? Or did you deliberately get the
numbers so wrong? And you were busted.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Look, it wasn't deliberate. But when we were doing those numbers,
they should have been done a year on the year,
and so we took them from when National Foods came
into government to the date. But you know, ultimately I'm
responsible for how that's done, and in hindsight, we should
have done it a year on year, not a six
(01:29):
month period exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So you can see the beat numbers are up.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
So adn't catch it.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Would You can see the beat numbers are up. In
other words, Mark has increased the number of people on
the beat.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They do in some areas, they still don't in others,
and rural perhaps they have gone down. But overall, yes,
they had gone up. I will conceive that, but it's
been concentrated in the urban areas.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Good stuff, And you knew this all along, Mark, obviously.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Of course it's just a lame excuse. Of course they
should have measured the numbers properly instead of cherry picking.
And she got called out and it obviously didn't like
the fact that that they was sure they were trying
to deceive the media and they got called out. Good
on them, so they should have been.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Did you while I'm on police matters, just briefly, Mark,
did you see the TV three piece this week and
they interviewed a Blake and I can't remember his name,
but he's the head of something significant police wise in
christ Jets they'd rounded up one of the drug busts
and then we got the Vietnamese thing last night. This
guy on the news just ran through a list of
and you would understand this, Juney as well, having been
a police minister, of the list of not just gangs
(02:37):
but groups in this country that are involved in drugs,
planting people from offshore into the scene in this country.
And he just went on and on and on and
on about how many problems they've got, how many gangs
there are, how many groups there are, how many drugs
there are, and how many hundreds of millions of dollars
worth of business have being done. I had no idea
(02:58):
how big it was.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
You know, it's a big problem, and I mean I
watched it grow significantly and asking to christ the LUNs
to the operation last week, outstanding work by the police,
and I do reiterate that the government can set the
direction of travel without a dealt with them. Very clear
what we're going to achieve as a government. But it's
the police out there doing the hard yards and doing
the work, and I want to acknowledge them because they
(03:20):
have had a tremendous response for us and they are
applying the normal pressure on the gags and the games
responsible for a massively disproportionate amount of organized crime and
violence in this country. And it's not central than we
go after them.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Right Yeah, I just like to agree that police do
do a great job. But I think what is consuming
is the levels of sort of those a class strugs
now reaching New Zealands we were always in the past.
Scene is a bit of a small markets, but the
levels of meetings and our cocaine that we're seeing in
our waist of the testing as reaching US evils and
that's a reflection of transnational organised crime making its way.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Into the Do you have a reason a summation Jenny
as to why this is? Because they're part of that story.
It said there was some guy selling six k's of
coke and New York or something. I said, don't do
it there, bring it to New Zealand the profit margin
so much. Are we just a bunch of suckers and
losers who can't pay enough to get off our faces?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, the thing is the greater the risk you take
and the title of the market. At straight economics, you
don't have a higher price point. And so because we're
an ocean and we're a long way away and got
a big order, there's a higher risk to get it in.
But when people do get it in, they make a
lot of money. So clearly there's some criminal groups operating
internationally that a founding way throughout all the in various ways,
(04:35):
because we're seeing it in ice water tea, staying with cocaine,
watching the cord highs in New Zealand that we've never
seen before.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Interesting, just real quick on this one. You guys, Mark
the tourist Levy, do you have a view on it?
I mean, I know obviously as a government you just
put it up, But do you have a view whether
it's going to stop people coming to the country you
exercised about it or not.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I don't think it will. I mean I did a
scientific study this balling. I asked by twenty three yearld side,
who's a true teacher and who works hard for the
money that he says he saved to go on a
trip to Peru. I said, if you had to pay
an extra hundred bucks to go to Peru, will stop
me going? He says, no, it's not all So I
don't know. We'll have to wait and see. Me's gonna
monitor and see how it lands. But I think that
(05:16):
you I think that tweetsh he was fantastic on the
show this morning. Is a previous tourism ministry laid it
out there very clearly, so I thought he was outstt.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Do you have a view, Ginny, Well, I do.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Agree with Steanness on the fact that it should be
used for tourism infrastructure, not to make the difference of
what will shorten their budget. So it's not been used
there as far as them.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
All, doesn't matter where it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
There's been no clear commitment on that will go back
into tourism infrastructure, and so small parts of New Zealand
who get increased tourism if we do. That's a real
concern that they're not interesting in extra so I'll see
through the city.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, no, you're right, that is quite a loud speaker
by part of the as far. There's a story mark
this morning and it concerns Karen Shaw, and it doesn't matter.
But the point of the story this morning is the
Children's Minister decided against officials advice about the best way
to combat serious youth offending. How and the media seems
fascinated by these sort of stories. How often do you
(06:18):
get advice from officials that you may or may not
ignore And how much weight on any given day, on
any given subject do you place on officials advice.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, we'll place a lot of importance on officials advice
because it is important that we get that. But we
are elected to go in there and make decisions and
sometimes we're not going to agree with the officials advice,
and we're going to continue to do what we believe in.
And that's probably the case of Karen. A classic example
is what there is the debate of the narrative at
the moment around the initial party clamping down on gangs.
(06:49):
And I see there as an article today from the
Police Association saying, you know, it's all too hard with
the new legislation coming. And I can tell you the
Police Association has been talking to me for three years.
So it's intolerable risks to their frontline police officers, which
I agree with because of the gangs and the violence,
the guns and the way that they're operating right and
these wires. An example, let me just use buying example.
(07:12):
When I was in the police and a dog hander
out of Gisbon, I was called to Warra one night
because of distressed mother had called the police to say,
my daughter has been lured into the mong the mob pad.
They're doing a patching ceremony there and she's very concerned
that she's been gang raped. She's been what's called blocked.
So I sent down to Warra because at that stage
they are shorter staff. I picked up the see serge
that we went straight up to the pair. I turned
(07:33):
the siren on outside the pad to make full Number one,
those young women knew that we're arrived. There was help there.
And number two obviously to distract the GAG members. Now
there was only two of us, there's about forty patch
gang members. But you know what, I knew that the
Gisbone West were on their way. So the light begay
was coming over the hill and we dealt with that.
The police have got the resources they've got the ability
(07:54):
to be able to deal with the gangs. I completely
totally backed them, and this legislation is going to give
them the powers that they need to continue to enforce
and let the public know that our police are controlling
the streets and not the gangs.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Advice Jinny as Minister. When you get it, what weight
do you place on them?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You weigh up and you take it from a range
of sources. And that's one of the benefits of being
lobbied is that you take officials, but you also talk
to financial people or a lot of small businesses, people
who have got an interest in that area. So you
take a range of advice. But you know, there are
some real concerns being raised by police and the Police
Association around the ability to enforce, particularly in rural parts
(08:35):
in New Zealand. We do see these vacancies in those
areas and we do see these high numbers and there
is real consume that police won't not only have the
man force or the people in there, but also the
it the ict that thought came out that if you're
going to disperse someone and then find out if that
same person is come back and prosecute them, you can
(08:57):
make sure that that's the same person if you're going
to be scessful in court at prosecuting. And it's a
real consumed and we found that through Select Committee that
some of those processes are not yet in place, so
the government's in a hurry to get this through, but
I worry that that's the extent of frontline safety in
some parts of New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I'll right good stuff like well and catch up next week.
Appreciate it very much, Jennie Anderson, Mark Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
Time for politics. Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along with
Ginny Anderson. Very good morning to both of you. Good
morning now, Ginny, take us through, and I mean this.
You know I love you, but take us through. Take
us through the anatomy of a numerical cock up, the
size of which you were responsible for last week and
when it came to the police beat.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Before I do that, I have to apologize in advance.
I'm at the airport and I had a bright idea
that I'd go in the Cortery dounge showers because it
will be quiet. So it is quite, but there's a
really big speaker and if they announced a flight going
out to New Plymouth, I apologize for that.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Okay, so you are in the shower cubicle. I am
in the Corey Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What are your port are you at?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm at Wellington, Fine to Auckland.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Okay. I've got fifty dollars for the first person who's
listening to us in the Corey Lounge in Wellington who
busts in the knocks on the door in the middle
of the progress.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's three out in the empty shop.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It was safe.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Good on you right now. So how did you get
the numbers so wrong? Or did you deliberately get the
numbers so wrong? And you were busted.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Look, it wasn't deliberate. But when we were doing those numbers,
they should have been done a year on the year,
and so we took them from when National Foods came
into government to the date. But you know, ultimately I'm
responsible for how that's done, and in hindsight, we should
have done it a year on year, not a six
(01:29):
month period exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So you can see the beat numbers are up.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
So adn't catch it.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Would You can see the beat numbers are up. In
other words, Mark has increased the number of people on
the beat.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They do in some areas, they still don't in others,
and rural perhaps they have gone down. But overall, yes,
they had gone up. I will conceive that, but it's
been concentrated in the urban areas.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Good stuff, And you knew this all along, Mark, obviously.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Of course it's just a lame excuse. Of course they
should have measured the numbers properly instead of cherry picking.
And she got called out and it obviously didn't like
the fact that that they was sure they were trying
to deceive the media and they got called out. Good
on them, so they should have been.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Did you while I'm on police matters, just briefly, Mark,
did you see the TV three piece this week and
they interviewed a Blake and I can't remember his name,
but he's the head of something significant police wise in
christ Jets they'd rounded up one of the drug busts
and then we got the Vietnamese thing last night. This
guy on the news just ran through a list of
and you would understand this, Juney as well, having been
a police minister, of the list of not just gangs
(02:37):
but groups in this country that are involved in drugs,
planting people from offshore into the scene in this country.
And he just went on and on and on and
on about how many problems they've got, how many gangs
there are, how many groups there are, how many drugs
there are, and how many hundreds of millions of dollars
worth of business have being done. I had no idea
(02:58):
how big it was.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
You know, it's a big problem, and I mean I
watched it grow significantly and asking to christ the LUNs
to the operation last week, outstanding work by the police,
and I do reiterate that the government can set the
direction of travel without a dealt with them. Very clear
what we're going to achieve as a government. But it's
the police out there doing the hard yards and doing
the work, and I want to acknowledge them because they
(03:20):
have had a tremendous response for us and they are
applying the normal pressure on the gags and the games
responsible for a massively disproportionate amount of organized crime and
violence in this country. And it's not central than we
go after them.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Right Yeah, I just like to agree that police do
do a great job. But I think what is consuming
is the levels of sort of those a class strugs
now reaching New Zealands we were always in the past.
Scene is a bit of a small markets, but the
levels of meetings and our cocaine that we're seeing in
our waist of the testing as reaching US evils and
that's a reflection of transnational organised crime making its way.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Into the Do you have a reason a summation Jenny
as to why this is? Because they're part of that story.
It said there was some guy selling six k's of
coke and New York or something. I said, don't do
it there, bring it to New Zealand the profit margin
so much. Are we just a bunch of suckers and
losers who can't pay enough to get off our faces?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, the thing is the greater the risk you take
and the title of the market. At straight economics, you
don't have a higher price point. And so because we're
an ocean and we're a long way away and got
a big order, there's a higher risk to get it in.
But when people do get it in, they make a
lot of money. So clearly there's some criminal groups operating
internationally that a founding way throughout all the in various ways,
(04:35):
because we're seeing it in ice water tea, staying with cocaine,
watching the cord highs in New Zealand that we've never
seen before.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Interesting, just real quick on this one. You guys, Mark
the tourist Levy, do you have a view on it?
I mean, I know obviously as a government you just
put it up, But do you have a view whether
it's going to stop people coming to the country you
exercised about it or not.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I don't think it will. I mean I did a
scientific study this balling. I asked by twenty three yearld side,
who's a true teacher and who works hard for the
money that he says he saved to go on a
trip to Peru. I said, if you had to pay
an extra hundred bucks to go to Peru, will stop
me going? He says, no, it's not all So I
don't know. We'll have to wait and see. Me's gonna
monitor and see how it lands. But I think that
(05:16):
you I think that tweetsh he was fantastic on the
show this morning. Is a previous tourism ministry laid it
out there very clearly, so I thought he was outstt.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Do you have a view, Ginny, Well, I do.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Agree with Steanness on the fact that it should be
used for tourism infrastructure, not to make the difference of
what will shorten their budget. So it's not been used
there as far as them.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
All, doesn't matter where it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
There's been no clear commitment on that will go back
into tourism infrastructure, and so small parts of New Zealand
who get increased tourism if we do. That's a real
concern that they're not interesting in extra so I'll see
through the city.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, no, you're right, that is quite a loud speaker
by part of the as far. There's a story mark
this morning and it concerns Karen Shaw, and it doesn't matter.
But the point of the story this morning is the
Children's Minister decided against officials advice about the best way
to combat serious youth offending. How and the media seems
fascinated by these sort of stories. How often do you
(06:18):
get advice from officials that you may or may not
ignore And how much weight on any given day, on
any given subject do you place on officials advice.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, we'll place a lot of importance on officials advice
because it is important that we get that. But we
are elected to go in there and make decisions and
sometimes we're not going to agree with the officials advice,
and we're going to continue to do what we believe in.
And that's probably the case of Karen. A classic example
is what there is the debate of the narrative at
the moment around the initial party clamping down on gangs.
(06:49):
And I see there as an article today from the
Police Association saying, you know, it's all too hard with
the new legislation coming. And I can tell you the
Police Association has been talking to me for three years.
So it's intolerable risks to their frontline police officers, which
I agree with because of the gangs and the violence,
the guns and the way that they're operating right and
these wires. An example, let me just use buying example.
(07:12):
When I was in the police and a dog hander
out of Gisbon, I was called to Warra one night
because of distressed mother had called the police to say,
my daughter has been lured into the mong the mob pad.
They're doing a patching ceremony there and she's very concerned
that she's been gang raped. She's been what's called blocked.
So I sent down to Warra because at that stage
they are shorter staff. I picked up the see serge
that we went straight up to the pair. I turned
(07:33):
the siren on outside the pad to make full Number one,
those young women knew that we're arrived. There was help there.
And number two obviously to distract the GAG members. Now
there was only two of us, there's about forty patch
gang members. But you know what, I knew that the
Gisbone West were on their way. So the light begay
was coming over the hill and we dealt with that.
The police have got the resources they've got the ability
(07:54):
to be able to deal with the gangs. I completely
totally backed them, and this legislation is going to give
them the powers that they need to continue to enforce
and let the public know that our police are controlling
the streets and not the gangs.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Advice Jinny as Minister. When you get it, what weight
do you place on them?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You weigh up and you take it from a range
of sources. And that's one of the benefits of being
lobbied is that you take officials, but you also talk
to financial people or a lot of small businesses, people
who have got an interest in that area. So you
take a range of advice. But you know, there are
some real concerns being raised by police and the Police
Association around the ability to enforce, particularly in rural parts
(08:35):
in New Zealand. We do see these vacancies in those
areas and we do see these high numbers and there
is real consume that police won't not only have the
man force or the people in there, but also the
it the ict that thought came out that if you're
going to disperse someone and then find out if that
same person is come back and prosecute them, you can
(08:57):
make sure that that's the same person if you're going
to be scessful in court at prosecuting. And it's a
real consumed and we found that through Select Committee that
some of those processes are not yet in place, so
the government's in a hurry to get this through, but
I worry that that's the extent of frontline safety in
some parts of New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I'll right good stuff like well and catch up next week.
Appreciate it very much, Jennie Anderson, Mark Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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