National’s Mark Mitchell and Labour’s Ginny Andersen are back with Mike Hosking to dig into some of the biggest political stories of the week thus far.
Labour's Ōhāriu MP Greg O'Connor thinks Wellington’s Queens Wharf is a great place for a swim, would they risk it?
Also on the agenda was the Ministry of Education’s viral TikTok, and the ever-continuing problem that is our power supply as two North Island mills close their doors.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Junny Anderson, very good
morning to you all. Right, now a couple of quick ones.
Actually do I ask you this without being too disrespond Actually,
I'm not being disrespectful to anyone. So I'm watching you
guys in parliament yesterday. You're paying respects to the Maury King. Fabulous.
That's what parliament does. Why then does the whole day
have to stop?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I just don't out of a mark of respect, like
it's a I guess it's a it's sort of customary
really when a significant person passes away that you do
those do those commmentary speeches, and then and then then
we're during the day. So it's usually a mark of respect,
is that all?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's like me going to a funeral at ten o'clock
in the morning and then going wrong. Well, that's me
done for the day. Then I'll go home. I mean,
it doesn't mean you don't respect the person and you
haven't laid down your mark, or you can get on
with life, can't you.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I would have been frying to keep on working, yeah,
I would have been good with that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
There will be rules, right, Mark, Well, we did keep
on working. It's just obviously we went in the House
and passing legislation week on legislation. But I think the
other thing too, Mich, is that this is what has
always happened the last the House rose as well, so
that just following protocol.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Hey, is it true that you supported David Seymour and
Cabinet the other day over the treaty principals Bill?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Try Now let me get so you for actually, Ginny Wellington?
Are you like Greg O'Connor and he likes to swim
and a bit of pool in the harbor? What's that about? Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, the hat River is good enough for me. Thanks, No,
I wouldn't go in the harbor. That looks always a
bit murky. The oriental bait can be not bad if
at summertime. But check the warnings exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Well, he's trying to I mean, good on for trying
to spreak the place. But do you believe is he
a well known swimmer? Is he regularly in the harbor?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I haven't seen him personally. He's good at rugby. He's
still us the rugby like Mark does. They both look
like they're even going to die into the game, but
they Yeah, he's pretty active. He's done. He's done coast
to coast as well.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I think actually, okay, he can swim when he's a
type of police officer. And when he went through college
you would have head to the bottom of the pool
and retrieved the bricks.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm sure we can all die to the bottom of
the pool and retree for brick mark. Not that hard.
That's that's different between swimming in Wellington harbor. Well Jenny,
what's your view of Wellington as a as a as
a local MP? Is it in trouble? Forget the politics
for a moment. Is it in trouble?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
When you see businesses like Pinsorrow have been sort of
a Wellington legion thirty eight years trading when they close down,
that's that's a real sign that things are in trouble.
So look, part of it is the cuts of the
public service that's definitely hit the you know the I
guess what's the word like said of the vibe and
Wellington people are down out And on top of that
(02:57):
the economic conditions have contributed as well. So coming into
this morning that the new cars on the road just
as slowing down, a general feeling a bit of dettonation.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Is there something for both of you, given you were
and you were in Parliament as well, given government Jinny,
but you Mark as well. Is there something going wrong
with the public service in Wellington that there's too many
of them at home and they need to be back downtown.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, I think no, I think that. Well, actually when
you look at what the owner of the cafes have closed,
when he was asked about he said, the big problem
that we've really noticed over the last few years is
that people are working from home, and of course the
cycle ways have been a mess of disruption for us
for customers getting to our business.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So I just wonder, is what you're saying is what
everyone's saying. It's a perfect storm. So by the time
you got the cycle ways and the busways and the
construction and the people working from home and the layoffs
and the economy, it's no wonder they are with you.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
People don't have that extra money in their pockets. So
nack Mail's on the Wellington Show is in the hospitality,
he'll know really well that it's really tough for people
with that extra money to come out and spend it
in a restaurant or a cafe. They're keeping that money
to pay for their bills and to pay for their groceries,
and that directly impacts on the Wellington economy. On top
of that, we've had a number of people laid off.
(04:13):
So I think those two things combined have been a
big reason why there's been a down team.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Actually, before I forget Ginny, is it true that you
ring Nick Mills in the morning as Tanya from her
tire ti or is that just a rumor.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I'd be Sheeryl from the heart.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
As regards and we ask you too to have a
look at it. Mark, what do you make of the
TikTok of the Ministry of Education? So there's a picture
of a dolphin and a rainbow and some clear water,
and it just says go to school.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It plays kind of a symphony song on and it
plays lovely music.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Who's paying for that? What budget would it come out of?
And why didn't you guys in looking for savings get
them and tell them to stop spending money for no
particular purpose? Or do you argue Mark that as well
spent money when suddenly kids have turned up to school.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, it sounds like it's going viral, but you sent
it to the wrong person. I couldn't even look at
it because I don't even TikTok. But look, I think
that the problem was kids weren't going to school in
the previous government. We've got to give obviously trying. They're
obviously trying a few invent of out of the box.
You know, it's obviously going viral. People are watching it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
They're watching it.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Are you a bit of a boomer Mark saying it's
going viral when you haven't even got to He just
made its going viral up because everyone says it goes viral.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Opened this thing on I just TikTok.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So I found a young person and got them to
open it because that's the same thing. So I found
someone and they explained to me that this is a trend.
So it's that picture with any statement with that song
right as a trend.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Currently that on a you would look at that ginny
and did you a young person give you the information
that they would then be propelled to go to school.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
We scrolled down and looked at all the kids who
are laughing at Christopher Luxe and the commune saying I'm
not at school. That was the main thing. It was
quite funny. So there are a lot of comedies for
kids who got it but didn't go to tell.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Of course, the serious side to it is that we
got to get our kids bick correct. Yes, they do.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I will hardily agree with that, And to be fair,
although I was a copywriter for a number of years
and in the creative department, coming up with a picture
of a dolphin and a rainbow to get them to
school wouldn't have been one of my first thoughts. But
there you go, now, ird ginny. The business of them
passing information on to our information on to social media
(06:44):
companies so they can better target they're advertising, Is that
fair in your view or not?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Probably not, And there's probably some privacy issues in there.
We're dealing with a bill right now Justice Committee around privacy.
So the general privacy rulers when you get your information
for a purpose, that can only be used for the
purpose you gave it for unless you can see it otherwise.
So there would be some privacy rule issues around that.
I think.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So if they if they leapt over something, they shouldn't
have leapt over mark in that sense, given they've already
handed that information.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Though, Look, to be honest with you, I'm not awaker
or across that at all. That would be Simon Watts
as a minister. But look, I do know the very
strict rules around how people's private information is handled, so
and if that is an issue that's been raised with him,
I'm sure he's across it.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, all right. Are you going to do something about
it though? If they have breached in someone? Because because
the point, the main point being I have to give
that information to that company. I don't want to, but
I have to, and therefore they should be guarding that,
shouldn't they.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
They can only use it. They can only use it
for the purpose that you've given it to them for.
That's the general rule.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And I think that if there's in the breach or
they haven't handled information properly, your wit expectations that Simon
would have also catched on that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
We'll have to call Simon Watt's social media in general.
Seeing you're talking about committees and stuff, Jinny Australia across
the Tasman of announced legislation. It won't work, but they're
going to ban kids under sixteen from accessing social media.
Could we look at that in this country? Would there
be any interest in looking at that in this country?
Is it even remotely possible.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Do you think it's going to be incredibly difficult to police?
And a lot of that is getting in space appearance
as well, So parents still have a role to determine
what their kids are seeing, and I think the state
getting involved and that too closely is going to be
incredibly difficult to try and enforce.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Mark the Windstone story, the jobs lost in the center
of the North Island, where does that blame lies? That
just an industry that's in trouble? Is that the power
business that's bugging in this country? Is it the economy?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
What is it? It sounds like a combination. I mean,
obviously the electricity price is affected, there's no doubt about that.
But I just was listening to this show earlier. I
think you made absolutely the best point, and that is
that the company itself needs to front up and explain
eastly what's happened.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I think that's pretty uncol.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
You know. I just think that that's the only way
that we're going to get absolute clarity on why that's.
Obviously it's awful for the people that have lost their jobs.
You know that the area has been hit hard over
recent years. The good news is we're starting to see
inflation coming down, come down. We're starting to see interest
rates come down, the confidence starting to come back, and
the economy will still get up, going to hope.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So, speaking of which, Jinny Chris Hopkins and this idea
that we need some CGT or some wealth text and
you guys are going to go to twenty six with something.
Do you think New Zealanders hand on heart really want
a conversation about being taxed even more?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I think New Zealanders do want to talk about the
fact we have a problem with our tech system that
we've got an aging population and you can't keep cutting
stuff with still being able to provide the same level
of services. That is a big problem and we need
to do something about it. So yep, I think New
Zealanders already conversation about what our tech space is, what
we want to do as a country.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Good on, You're nice to see you both, Ginny Anderson,
Mark Mitchell and if anybody sees Greg O'Connor in the harbor,
there's a prize for the first photo that arrives at
our officer.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It'd be from six am weekdays or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio,
Time for politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Junny Anderson, very good
morning to you all. Right, now a couple of quick ones.
Actually do I ask you this without being too disrespond Actually,
I'm not being disrespectful to anyone. So I'm watching you
guys in parliament yesterday. You're paying respects to the Maury King. Fabulous.
That's what parliament does. Why then does the whole day
have to stop?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I just don't out of a mark of respect, like
it's a I guess it's a it's sort of customary
really when a significant person passes away that you do
those do those commmentary speeches, and then and then then
we're during the day. So it's usually a mark of respect,
is that all?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's like me going to a funeral at ten o'clock
in the morning and then going wrong. Well, that's me
done for the day. Then I'll go home. I mean,
it doesn't mean you don't respect the person and you
haven't laid down your mark, or you can get on
with life, can't you.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I would have been frying to keep on working, yeah,
I would have been good with that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
There will be rules, right, Mark, Well, we did keep
on working. It's just obviously we went in the House
and passing legislation week on legislation. But I think the
other thing too, Mich, is that this is what has
always happened the last the House rose as well, so
that just following protocol.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Hey, is it true that you supported David Seymour and
Cabinet the other day over the treaty principals Bill?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Try Now let me get so you for actually, Ginny Wellington?
Are you like Greg O'Connor and he likes to swim
and a bit of pool in the harbor? What's that about? Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, the hat River is good enough for me. Thanks, No,
I wouldn't go in the harbor. That looks always a
bit murky. The oriental bait can be not bad if
at summertime. But check the warnings exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Well, he's trying to I mean, good on for trying
to spreak the place. But do you believe is he
a well known swimmer? Is he regularly in the harbor?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I haven't seen him personally. He's good at rugby. He's
still us the rugby like Mark does. They both look
like they're even going to die into the game, but
they Yeah, he's pretty active. He's done. He's done coast
to coast as well.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I think actually, okay, he can swim when he's a
type of police officer. And when he went through college
you would have head to the bottom of the pool
and retrieved the bricks.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm sure we can all die to the bottom of
the pool and retree for brick mark. Not that hard.
That's that's different between swimming in Wellington harbor. Well Jenny,
what's your view of Wellington as a as a as
a local MP? Is it in trouble? Forget the politics
for a moment. Is it in trouble?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
When you see businesses like Pinsorrow have been sort of
a Wellington legion thirty eight years trading when they close down,
that's that's a real sign that things are in trouble.
So look, part of it is the cuts of the
public service that's definitely hit the you know the I
guess what's the word like said of the vibe and
Wellington people are down out And on top of that
(02:57):
the economic conditions have contributed as well. So coming into
this morning that the new cars on the road just
as slowing down, a general feeling a bit of dettonation.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Is there something for both of you, given you were
and you were in Parliament as well, given government Jinny,
but you Mark as well. Is there something going wrong
with the public service in Wellington that there's too many
of them at home and they need to be back downtown.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, I think no, I think that. Well, actually when
you look at what the owner of the cafes have closed,
when he was asked about he said, the big problem
that we've really noticed over the last few years is
that people are working from home, and of course the
cycle ways have been a mess of disruption for us
for customers getting to our business.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So I just wonder, is what you're saying is what
everyone's saying. It's a perfect storm. So by the time
you got the cycle ways and the busways and the
construction and the people working from home and the layoffs
and the economy, it's no wonder they are with you.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
People don't have that extra money in their pockets. So
nack Mail's on the Wellington Show is in the hospitality,
he'll know really well that it's really tough for people
with that extra money to come out and spend it
in a restaurant or a cafe. They're keeping that money
to pay for their bills and to pay for their groceries,
and that directly impacts on the Wellington economy. On top
of that, we've had a number of people laid off.
(04:13):
So I think those two things combined have been a
big reason why there's been a down team.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Actually, before I forget Ginny, is it true that you
ring Nick Mills in the morning as Tanya from her
tire ti or is that just a rumor.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I'd be Sheeryl from the heart.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
As regards and we ask you too to have a
look at it. Mark, what do you make of the
TikTok of the Ministry of Education? So there's a picture
of a dolphin and a rainbow and some clear water,
and it just says go to school.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It plays kind of a symphony song on and it
plays lovely music.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Who's paying for that? What budget would it come out of?
And why didn't you guys in looking for savings get
them and tell them to stop spending money for no
particular purpose? Or do you argue Mark that as well
spent money when suddenly kids have turned up to school.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, it sounds like it's going viral, but you sent
it to the wrong person. I couldn't even look at
it because I don't even TikTok. But look, I think
that the problem was kids weren't going to school in
the previous government. We've got to give obviously trying. They're
obviously trying a few invent of out of the box.
You know, it's obviously going viral. People are watching it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
They're watching it.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Are you a bit of a boomer Mark saying it's
going viral when you haven't even got to He just
made its going viral up because everyone says it goes viral.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Opened this thing on I just TikTok.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So I found a young person and got them to
open it because that's the same thing. So I found
someone and they explained to me that this is a trend.
So it's that picture with any statement with that song
right as a trend.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Currently that on a you would look at that ginny
and did you a young person give you the information
that they would then be propelled to go to school.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
No.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
We scrolled down and looked at all the kids who
are laughing at Christopher Luxe and the commune saying I'm
not at school. That was the main thing. It was
quite funny. So there are a lot of comedies for
kids who got it but didn't go to tell.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Of course, the serious side to it is that we
got to get our kids bick correct. Yes, they do.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I will hardily agree with that, And to be fair,
although I was a copywriter for a number of years
and in the creative department, coming up with a picture
of a dolphin and a rainbow to get them to
school wouldn't have been one of my first thoughts. But
there you go, now, ird ginny. The business of them
passing information on to our information on to social media
(06:44):
companies so they can better target they're advertising, Is that
fair in your view or not?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Probably not, And there's probably some privacy issues in there.
We're dealing with a bill right now Justice Committee around privacy.
So the general privacy rulers when you get your information
for a purpose, that can only be used for the
purpose you gave it for unless you can see it otherwise.
So there would be some privacy rule issues around that.
I think.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So if they if they leapt over something, they shouldn't
have leapt over mark in that sense, given they've already
handed that information.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Though, Look, to be honest with you, I'm not awaker
or across that at all. That would be Simon Watts
as a minister. But look, I do know the very
strict rules around how people's private information is handled, so
and if that is an issue that's been raised with him,
I'm sure he's across it.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, all right. Are you going to do something about
it though? If they have breached in someone? Because because
the point, the main point being I have to give
that information to that company. I don't want to, but
I have to, and therefore they should be guarding that,
shouldn't they.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
They can only use it. They can only use it
for the purpose that you've given it to them for.
That's the general rule.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And I think that if there's in the breach or
they haven't handled information properly, your wit expectations that Simon
would have also catched on that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
We'll have to call Simon Watt's social media in general.
Seeing you're talking about committees and stuff, Jinny Australia across
the Tasman of announced legislation. It won't work, but they're
going to ban kids under sixteen from accessing social media.
Could we look at that in this country? Would there
be any interest in looking at that in this country?
Is it even remotely possible.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Do you think it's going to be incredibly difficult to police?
And a lot of that is getting in space appearance
as well, So parents still have a role to determine
what their kids are seeing, and I think the state
getting involved and that too closely is going to be
incredibly difficult to try and enforce.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Mark the Windstone story, the jobs lost in the center
of the North Island, where does that blame lies? That
just an industry that's in trouble? Is that the power
business that's bugging in this country? Is it the economy?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
What is it? It sounds like a combination. I mean,
obviously the electricity price is affected, there's no doubt about that.
But I just was listening to this show earlier. I
think you made absolutely the best point, and that is
that the company itself needs to front up and explain
eastly what's happened.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I think that's pretty uncol.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
You know. I just think that that's the only way
that we're going to get absolute clarity on why that's.
Obviously it's awful for the people that have lost their jobs.
You know that the area has been hit hard over
recent years. The good news is we're starting to see
inflation coming down, come down. We're starting to see interest
rates come down, the confidence starting to come back, and
the economy will still get up, going to hope.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So, speaking of which, Jinny Chris Hopkins and this idea
that we need some CGT or some wealth text and
you guys are going to go to twenty six with something.
Do you think New Zealanders hand on heart really want
a conversation about being taxed even more?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I think New Zealanders do want to talk about the
fact we have a problem with our tech system that
we've got an aging population and you can't keep cutting
stuff with still being able to provide the same level
of services. That is a big problem and we need
to do something about it. So yep, I think New
Zealanders already conversation about what our tech space is, what
we want to do as a country.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Good on, You're nice to see you both, Ginny Anderson,
Mark Mitchell and if anybody sees Greg O'Connor in the harbor,
there's a prize for the first photo that arrives at
our officer.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It'd be from six am weekdays or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio,
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