Labour has eked ahead in the polls as the cost of living crisis bites.
The latest Taxpayers' Union Curia poll has Labour overtaking National, the latter falling to 29.6%, against Labour's four percentage point jump, to 30.9%.
Ginny Andersen told Ryan Bridge that it’s an indication the economy is biting.
She says that New Zealanders aren’t really getting what they voted for, and that’s coming through in the polls.
Health is the other big ticket issue impacting the polls, Andersen says, which is why Luxon is trying to head it off by putting Simeon Brown in charge of the portfolio.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is time for Wednesday's political panel, the first one
for between twenty five and Labor's Jenny Anderson is with us.
Good morning, Jinny, good morning, how are you good? Thank you,
Nice to have you on the show. We're still waiting
for Mark Mitchell. Apparently he's probably busy with his new
duties as the Ethnic Communities Minister. I'd imagine, well.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You'll go to a lot of events in that role,
so he view, well, could be at an event.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Is that all it is is just cutting ribbons?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
No? No, there's a lot of very important issues and
ethnic communities that need addressing. But there are a lot
of ethnic communities right across New Zealand that will all
expect to engage with the minister.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
These have been some criticism, and I say some because
it's really just a tiny bit from one particular group,
the Asian Family Services. He say that replacing somebody who
comes from ethnic communities with someone who, in their words,
shall we say, comes from the mainstream is not good optics.
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, that's for those communities to comment on. But from
my understanding, we have a very diverse range of groups
here in the Hut Valley and it's their expectation that
the Minister for Ethnic Communities has some understanding of being
an ethnic minority within New Zealand and some of the
different issues. Crime is one of them, but there's a
whole lot more than just crime that comes on board
(01:17):
in terms of a migrant community in New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So you wouldn't take the job.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, look, if the boss asks you do for certain reasons,
you'd always weigh that up.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But you would question.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I would question whether I had that the right capacity
and skills to be able to take that up. And
I think too that there are issues in and around
the Royal Commission of Inquiry. There's a whole range of
things that weren't completed by this government that ethnic communities
are quite concerned about. So they're very clear in their
requests and some of those are quite legitimate.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
How did you what did you think of Milania as
had most important thing about the inauguration? Yes? Today, it's
a very strange choice, wasn't it, Ginny.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Did you think it was the v vendetta? Did you
think did you get that time? Now?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I got Carmen San Diego.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, Well you couldn't see her eyes, so you know,
there was there's something in there. When you can't see
someone's eyes right, they're definitely not happy.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Let's talk about something more serious, Donald Trump and the
teriffs that are potentially going to come our way. Is
the government because I asked Christopher luxeaning about this is
today and you know, he said, oh, well, we'll wait
and see. I mean, do you think the government is
on top of this enough? Are we doing enough scenario planning?
Do we have the people in the right places to
try and head this off?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
When New Zealand's always incredibly small player and situations like that,
and more often than not, we do come off second
best because the United States won't be thinking about us
and their planning. So I hope those those scenarios are
in place because it's usually the primary septor particularly that
gets hit the most when tariffs like that are put
(02:59):
in place.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
We had the first poll out this year and it
showed that national was in the twenty I mean, it
was twenty nine points something, but that labor had eat
a head slightly. You're not going to get too excited
by that one pole a you not.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Just a first poll, but it does indicate that the
economy is biting you know that pole. When I looked
at it, it was cost of living crisis that was
hitting people quite hard and that continues to eat away
at the extraction Kiwi family's pockets. So I think that's
New Zealanders aren't really getting what they voted for, and
(03:32):
that that is coming through in the polls.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Is to be safe. I mean, I mean, obviously this
is a good poll for him, but do you think
he'll be there through to the next election.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I think he will be. Yes. We are one hundred
percent behind him. He's the leader we want to see
taking the fight to this government. In the holiday always
gives us a good period to reconnect in with communities
and talk to people, and there's a lot of dissatisfaction
out there. But all the feedback I get from the
group's I move within is that he's the right person
to be taking us forward into terms of pointing out
(04:05):
where this government is failing in New Zealanders.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
We're still trying to get hold of Mark Mitchell, so
we'll keep you updated on what's going there.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I've been really nice. I could have gone hard out
on Mike Mitchell, but I haven't.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Do you know, what do you know what Jenny, you
have forty seconds go nor the personality I look forward to. No, Hey,
I'm very quickly. I've just had a text coming. This
is this is quite serious. Is a text coming from
Mark presumably not Mark Mitchell. Hi Ron asked Jenny why
she wasn't at the police funeral. I was there but
(04:34):
didn't see her. Were you there?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I was at both funerals, so it's been a sad
start to the year. I'd have to say to attend
both Senior Sergeant lind Fleming's funeral as well as Tuddy
and a Twotias. So yeah, both of those funerals I
went to and it was really said to see two
very different, very strong community leaders who are women pass away.
Big loss for New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Absolutely obviously a national and that taxpayer carrier pole down
in the twenty nine ish and labor getting a bump.
What do you put that bump down to?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, I think we've sustained a good attack on the
government in those areas that are hurting the most. And
as I've said, it's cost of living that really is
hitting Kiwis a lot. But there have been a number
of other issues that have really consumed New Zealanders health
gear is right up there. A lot of New Zealand
is not being able to get a GP when they
need it, and that's starting to really cause concern. So
(05:28):
I think cost of living and health are the two
areas that are causing the government to get that hit
in the pole.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Which is why he's in Christopher Luxe and has gone
ahead and put Sime and Brown into Health right to
try and heed that off.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You've got to expect that you're having a GP in
there has not been sufficient for his you know, he
wants someone in there who's going to be a bit
more hard nosed and getting delivery, and that's caused the reshuffle.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Can you see how people might find it a little
infuriating when they see that in their view, it was
you guys that created these problems in the first place,
to merge all the DHBs at a time when it
shouldn't have been done, creating some of the financial pressures
that the systems now wonder same goes for the economy.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I don't accept that, no. I think the health crisis
has been decades in the making, and one of the
biggest problems we don't talk about is the increase in
population without increasing services to meet that population increase. We've
seed a huge amount will come into New Zealand. So
in terms of the changing to the health system, the
DHB system was broken and we took steps to fix that.
(06:31):
But the problem with GPS and not paying them enough
has been around for a long time.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Did you were going to fix the system? Do you
think you did?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think trying to completely fix a health system in
a period of six years is impossible. You can take
steps to try and to try and realign it, but
as this government has found out, there is a huge
amount of money required to make our health system work
adequately and cutting services, cutting doctors, cutting frontline services is
not the way to do it.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah. Well they would argue that they're not cutting front
line services, but we can part that. There's my bit
for Mark who's absent the Treaty Principles bill that's going
before Select Committee. Well, what do you think the vibe
is going to be like here? What's your reading of
it from the inside at the moment. Do you think
this is going to be a civil discussion about things
(07:22):
or do you think it could get a little bit heated.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, it's a really unusual situation Ryan, because this is
the first bill I've ever set on that's not going
any further. So we're hearing submissions on something that's not
going to get a successful second reading. So it's quite
difficult to understand what kind of chaos we'll see the
government centered into a really weird deal where we have
to hear of all these submissions on a bill that's,
(07:46):
according to the Prime Minister, are not going to become law.
So I think the weird setup that has caused it
will cause a certain level of chaos where people come
in and give their views from a range of different perspectives.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Hundred thousand submissions, do you know how many of them
are actually read like legitimate? Not legitimate but written ones
somebody has taken the time to pen at themselves as
opposed to those pre populated formulated ones.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
The clerks are going through a process right now of
sifting them all through, but from my understanding, a good
proportion of them are legitimate submissions. There are some groups
that are on either side that set up what is
like a portal where you just have to enter your
name in one line and it generates the submission. But
I don't have the data on how many of all
those submissions come under that sort of form standard.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It sounds like you're going to have a lot of
work to get through in the next couple of months.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, Friday's our first day. I understand and will be
sitting for hours on end a long time hearing those submissions.
But I'm kind of I'm interested to hear what New
Zealanders have to say. It's an important point on both sides. Yeah,
I am. I'm very interested. I've always been interested in.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Those few five what's your goals for this year? What
do you want to achieve?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I want to make sure I continue to hold this
government to account in those areas that we know that
they need to be doing better. So family violence, for
me is number one. I'm really concerned about the levels
of family violence in New Zealand, and I think dis
government should be doing a lot better to prevent not
only children, but families from being exposed to family hearts.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Well, we've had a terrible start to the year.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Terrible start to the year.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Absolutely, how does that make you feel.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It's a harowing experience to continue to see the same
mistakes being made again and again. And one of the
reasons I got involved in politics was to understand how
we can work better within government and with communities to
prevent needlessly lives being lost.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Jinny, thank you very much for that. Jinny Anderson, who
is with the Labor Party. We couldn't get Mark Mitchell
up on the line, but he'll be here next Wednesday
with Mike Genny. Thank you for your time, Jenny Anderson
from Labored. For more from the Mic Asking breakth, listen
live to News Talks at B from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
It is time for Wednesday's political panel, the first one
for between twenty five and Labor's Jenny Anderson is with us.
Good morning, Jinny, good morning, how are you good? Thank you,
Nice to have you on the show. We're still waiting
for Mark Mitchell. Apparently he's probably busy with his new
duties as the Ethnic Communities Minister. I'd imagine, well.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You'll go to a lot of events in that role,
so he view, well, could be at an event.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Is that all it is is just cutting ribbons?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
No? No, there's a lot of very important issues and
ethnic communities that need addressing. But there are a lot
of ethnic communities right across New Zealand that will all
expect to engage with the minister.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
These have been some criticism, and I say some because
it's really just a tiny bit from one particular group,
the Asian Family Services. He say that replacing somebody who
comes from ethnic communities with someone who, in their words,
shall we say, comes from the mainstream is not good optics.
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Well, that's for those communities to comment on. But from
my understanding, we have a very diverse range of groups
here in the Hut Valley and it's their expectation that
the Minister for Ethnic Communities has some understanding of being
an ethnic minority within New Zealand and some of the
different issues. Crime is one of them, but there's a
whole lot more than just crime that comes on board
(01:17):
in terms of a migrant community in New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
So you wouldn't take the job.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, look, if the boss asks you do for certain reasons,
you'd always weigh that up.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
But you would question.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I would question whether I had that the right capacity
and skills to be able to take that up. And
I think too that there are issues in and around
the Royal Commission of Inquiry. There's a whole range of
things that weren't completed by this government that ethnic communities
are quite concerned about. So they're very clear in their
requests and some of those are quite legitimate.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
How did you what did you think of Milania as
had most important thing about the inauguration? Yes? Today, it's
a very strange choice, wasn't it, Ginny.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Did you think it was the v vendetta? Did you
think did you get that time? Now?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I got Carmen San Diego.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, Well you couldn't see her eyes, so you know,
there was there's something in there. When you can't see
someone's eyes right, they're definitely not happy.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Let's talk about something more serious, Donald Trump and the
teriffs that are potentially going to come our way. Is
the government because I asked Christopher luxeaning about this is
today and you know, he said, oh, well, we'll wait
and see. I mean, do you think the government is
on top of this enough? Are we doing enough scenario planning?
Do we have the people in the right places to
try and head this off?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
When New Zealand's always incredibly small player and situations like that,
and more often than not, we do come off second
best because the United States won't be thinking about us
and their planning. So I hope those those scenarios are
in place because it's usually the primary septor particularly that
gets hit the most when tariffs like that are put
(02:59):
in place.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
We had the first poll out this year and it
showed that national was in the twenty I mean, it
was twenty nine points something, but that labor had eat
a head slightly. You're not going to get too excited
by that one pole a you not.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Just a first poll, but it does indicate that the
economy is biting you know that pole. When I looked
at it, it was cost of living crisis that was
hitting people quite hard and that continues to eat away
at the extraction Kiwi family's pockets. So I think that's
New Zealanders aren't really getting what they voted for, and
(03:32):
that that is coming through in the polls.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Is to be safe. I mean, I mean, obviously this
is a good poll for him, but do you think
he'll be there through to the next election.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I think he will be. Yes. We are one hundred
percent behind him. He's the leader we want to see
taking the fight to this government. In the holiday always
gives us a good period to reconnect in with communities
and talk to people, and there's a lot of dissatisfaction
out there. But all the feedback I get from the
group's I move within is that he's the right person
to be taking us forward into terms of pointing out
(04:05):
where this government is failing in New Zealanders.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
We're still trying to get hold of Mark Mitchell, so
we'll keep you updated on what's going there.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I've been really nice. I could have gone hard out
on Mike Mitchell, but I haven't.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Do you know, what do you know what Jenny, you
have forty seconds go nor the personality I look forward to. No, Hey,
I'm very quickly. I've just had a text coming. This
is this is quite serious. Is a text coming from
Mark presumably not Mark Mitchell. Hi Ron asked Jenny why
she wasn't at the police funeral. I was there but
(04:34):
didn't see her. Were you there?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I was at both funerals, so it's been a sad
start to the year. I'd have to say to attend
both Senior Sergeant lind Fleming's funeral as well as Tuddy
and a Twotias. So yeah, both of those funerals I
went to and it was really said to see two
very different, very strong community leaders who are women pass away.
Big loss for New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Absolutely obviously a national and that taxpayer carrier pole down
in the twenty nine ish and labor getting a bump.
What do you put that bump down to?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, I think we've sustained a good attack on the
government in those areas that are hurting the most. And
as I've said, it's cost of living that really is
hitting Kiwis a lot. But there have been a number
of other issues that have really consumed New Zealanders health
gear is right up there. A lot of New Zealand
is not being able to get a GP when they
need it, and that's starting to really cause concern. So
(05:28):
I think cost of living and health are the two
areas that are causing the government to get that hit
in the pole.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Which is why he's in Christopher Luxe and has gone
ahead and put Sime and Brown into Health right to
try and heed that off.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
You've got to expect that you're having a GP in
there has not been sufficient for his you know, he
wants someone in there who's going to be a bit
more hard nosed and getting delivery, and that's caused the reshuffle.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Can you see how people might find it a little
infuriating when they see that in their view, it was
you guys that created these problems in the first place,
to merge all the DHBs at a time when it
shouldn't have been done, creating some of the financial pressures
that the systems now wonder same goes for the economy.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I don't accept that, no. I think the health crisis
has been decades in the making, and one of the
biggest problems we don't talk about is the increase in
population without increasing services to meet that population increase. We've
seed a huge amount will come into New Zealand. So
in terms of the changing to the health system, the
DHB system was broken and we took steps to fix that.
(06:31):
But the problem with GPS and not paying them enough
has been around for a long time.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Did you were going to fix the system? Do you
think you did?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think trying to completely fix a health system in
a period of six years is impossible. You can take
steps to try and to try and realign it, but
as this government has found out, there is a huge
amount of money required to make our health system work
adequately and cutting services, cutting doctors, cutting frontline services is
not the way to do it.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah. Well they would argue that they're not cutting front
line services, but we can part that. There's my bit
for Mark who's absent the Treaty Principles bill that's going
before Select Committee. Well, what do you think the vibe
is going to be like here? What's your reading of
it from the inside at the moment. Do you think
this is going to be a civil discussion about things
(07:22):
or do you think it could get a little bit heated.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, it's a really unusual situation Ryan, because this is
the first bill I've ever set on that's not going
any further. So we're hearing submissions on something that's not
going to get a successful second reading. So it's quite
difficult to understand what kind of chaos we'll see the
government centered into a really weird deal where we have
to hear of all these submissions on a bill that's,
(07:46):
according to the Prime Minister, are not going to become law.
So I think the weird setup that has caused it
will cause a certain level of chaos where people come
in and give their views from a range of different perspectives.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Hundred thousand submissions, do you know how many of them
are actually read like legitimate? Not legitimate but written ones
somebody has taken the time to pen at themselves as
opposed to those pre populated formulated ones.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
The clerks are going through a process right now of
sifting them all through, but from my understanding, a good
proportion of them are legitimate submissions. There are some groups
that are on either side that set up what is
like a portal where you just have to enter your
name in one line and it generates the submission. But
I don't have the data on how many of all
those submissions come under that sort of form standard.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It sounds like you're going to have a lot of
work to get through in the next couple of months.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, Friday's our first day. I understand and will be
sitting for hours on end a long time hearing those submissions.
But I'm kind of I'm interested to hear what New
Zealanders have to say. It's an important point on both sides. Yeah,
I am. I'm very interested. I've always been interested in.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Those few five what's your goals for this year? What
do you want to achieve?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I want to make sure I continue to hold this
government to account in those areas that we know that
they need to be doing better. So family violence, for
me is number one. I'm really concerned about the levels
of family violence in New Zealand, and I think dis
government should be doing a lot better to prevent not
only children, but families from being exposed to family hearts.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Well, we've had a terrible start to the year.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Terrible start to the year.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Absolutely, how does that make you feel.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It's a harowing experience to continue to see the same
mistakes being made again and again. And one of the
reasons I got involved in politics was to understand how
we can work better within government and with communities to
prevent needlessly lives being lost.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Jinny, thank you very much for that. Jinny Anderson, who
is with the Labor Party. We couldn't get Mark Mitchell
up on the line, but he'll be here next Wednesday
with Mike Genny. Thank you for your time, Jenny Anderson
from Labored. For more from the Mic Asking breakth, listen
live to News Talks at B from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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