September 17, 2024 • 10 mins
There’s support from across the political aisle over a Police crackdown on the Comancheros gang.
Nearly every member of the gang is facing criminal charges, showing the scale of operation to take out the Comancheros.
Speaking to Mike Hosking, Police Minister Mark Mitchell is applauding Police efforts, and says it's outstanding Policing.
Labour's Police spokesperson Ginny Andersen says they're also pleased to see the violence targeted.
She says it's great to see the gang's misery peddle shut down by the force.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for politics Wednesday. That means Mark Mitchell's Wather's along
with Ginny Anderson. Good morning to both of you. I
really don't know. Do either of you get donations to
pay for clothing? Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Should you allowance?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Do you do? Do you get an allowance?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Mark all? So, I'm very lucky that Sirah has got
a much better fashion I have.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So I sort of it's funny you should say that
because I often I mean, not that you're not suitorially adequate,
but it appears, it appears you wear the same thing
all the time, which is which is a blue, blue
tie and white.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I just foind it very easy. I don't need to
put too much thought to what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
No, no, it's quite right. Clive j started that many
years ago. Well, the same thing every time on television,
so you never sort of criticized them, which is why
I thought of e. Ginny the other day. You were
wearing last week a very nice suit which was I mean,
it's very hard to tell with lights and all that,
but but it looked like don't know, tan yellow whatever
with black blacks.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, I bought it and actually it was
just a little shot in the Greaytown and I've had
it for years and it's just very comfy.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And yeah, I never say no, never say it's comfy,
because that's no no, don't say stuff like that. Don't
say it's comfy.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's funny. What it was just blessed gold of the
commonio colors, so it sort of probably, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Have to wear tartan no mark.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know that's true, you can. I'm assuming Ginny with
the Commentario thing claim some credit given the investigation was
three years long, and that means roughly two of them
were yours. I guess.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah. So Nover was the operation that kicked off in
twenty nineteen and that was more focused money wandering, So
it has been over three years exercise. But that's what happens,
you know, police. And full credit to Circintendent Breaks Williams.
I've worked with him. He's an amazing police officer who
takes us work very seriously and once he's focused on
(02:15):
taking out a group of offenders, he's very determined and
usually gets the outcome he's looking for. So it's great
for New Zealand to see such a huge operation of
myth and fettering money hondering and general misery peddling being
shut down by the police.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Do you reckon mark you are making and trying not
to make this too political, but the police, then let's
ask it this way. The police are making a genuine
dent at last in the gangs in general.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh, without a doubt. I mean, this operation is quite
some of the outstanding policing and showcases just how good
our police are and I just want to acknowledge them
full credit. I was down in christ Church when they
started the operation and there we had over three hundred
police officers involved in this operation. So it's just an
(03:01):
outspending result. By then. I think that you've seen very
clearly in the last eight months that there's been a
big change in the way that police are policing gangs.
They were taking over our provincial towns. They were doing
these convoy runs with our driving on timecoming traffic, with
the harassing and intimidating members of the public. That stopped
because the police have been sent a very clear direction
(03:21):
that they're to put the proper resource in place. Now
they're using the police eagle. We had three gang runs
last weekend. The public, all public had their own rights
protected over and above the gangs. You don't see them
on the front pages of the paper anymore. And by
the way, we've still got a lot more work to do,
but we're definitely tricked in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Good Sorry, carry, I was going to say that the
big wave we saw was when those fireboat ones got
kicked out of Australia and came back in common Heroes
was part of that wave. And the risks that now
Australia have changed that law again that we could say
more coming back in the future so that one of
(04:00):
it flus in a massive on the game landscape in
New Zealand. And now that Australian law has changed, we
need to watch carefully that we don't see another influx.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Do you, in your time in cabinet, without giving cabinet
secrets away, did your government ever consider repatriating problematic Australians
back to Australia, And because we have historically chosen.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Not to do that, yeah, we did look at options
and looked at that. But it's the one problem is
that Australian law is Australian law, and that sovereign and
so a we so if they change their law we have.
All we can do is negotiate and that's exactly what I.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Get that part. But we can send the bat like
there's a bloken prison here at the moment for doing
a lot in christ it's a while back. Who was Australian.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
We could send them. Yeah, yeah, we just don't have
that many. We could, but we don't have as many.
We do when we do when they're really bad, but
we just don't have the numbers.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, so we do we do do that because my
understanding was we never do.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I would send them back, but the number is disproportionate.
And obviously the number that we're sending back to Australia
is much more than the numbers are sending.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Back to you. Oka, carry on.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Now it's going to say, look, we raise us. The
Prime Minister has raised us with the Australian Prime Ministers,
with the Council of Ministers. In Australian meltoms.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
We raise this possibly, yeah exactly, and you get nowhere. Unfortunately,
mind you, I five was Australian and I do the
same thing. Ginny, I've been following with interest. I personally
think you're overegging it a bit, but nevertheless I understand
why you're doing it. Your your prosecution and Nicole McKey
and what she's trying to do with guns in this country. What,
in simple terms, is your great concern about her being
(05:39):
in charge of gun reform.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
That she has proposed to wind back all the changes
we made in twenty nineteen and a combination of just
too much has she has. She said that she's pleached
that soon. Well, she's wound back already what happens in
the gun range, which has to create a loophole where
you can get mo O now without according it. She
said she'll keep a category weapons out of the registry,
(06:03):
which is seventy percent of features that police get it
for legal guns, and she won't rule out bringing back
military style weapons. Now when you're beings like the common
heros who are using paramilitary training tactics and want to
get their hands on datrious guns, and you've got someone
proposing to make it easy to get one, that's a
real risk for New Zealand public safety.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But that's all the illegal side of the equation, though,
isn't it, Which is the debate that came out of
christ Churche whether law abiding citizens were being inconvenienced and
that if you were, you know, a bad bugget, you'd
still get your hands on weapons. And I mean, and
that's in that nothing's changed, has it.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Fifty percent of police investigations around diverted firearms, so legal
firearms that end up to be in the hands of
criminals revolve around licensed firearm owners. So we know that
licensed fireum owners are purchasing weapons and passing them on
to the criminals, and the firearm registreet is the best
way to track there, and police will say that, and
I think Mike believes that as well.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And you're behind the redis three Andre Marte.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, absolutely, And but what he's doing is fair amongering.
She's not. They are facts. Nicole McKee is the Associate
Myst of Justice. She has to a review of the
arm set. The changes she made around them, around the
hunting clubs was quite simply a technical one to do
(07:21):
with administration, and any changes that are going to be made,
any substantive changes were made will have to go through cabinet.
And none of the things that Ginny has is talking about,
it's been proposed, all.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Okay, right, I think, well she hasn't had a change.
You no longer need to record the sales of firearms
or amminition on gun rangers. That's been done, and there
are real concerns. I've heard from police that criminal can
get on to arrange pregending not purchased nine boxes of
blitz use three and pocket the rest and there's no
(07:55):
way of tricking that now. Previously that couldn't be done.
And now that all right?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
So say Jenny's right, Mark, and what what she suggests
does come to pass or get before cabin Are you,
as policeman aster comfortable with them?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, I think it's fair for me to say that
anything Ginny says needs to be verified. But absolutely, look,
this has got to go through a cabinet process.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I understand that. So say she's right, and it's in
front of cabinet now and you've suddenly got are you
comfortable with it?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So all I say is this, I can't talk to
future cabinet decisions that will be totally inappropriate. What I
say is this, this government is fully focused on making
the public safer, and the cold is fully focused on
doing the same thing when you look at their history.
She has been an advisor around public safety for a
long time on firearms. But the problem that we had,
(08:44):
as we had the last government was focused in all
the wrong places. We've seen a massive pliferation of firearms
within the criminal fraternity, and they are the ones that
are rest of the public.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, do you think Ginny as passionate as you may
be about the subject. It's actually one of those issues
that can turn the time for a government or otherwise,
or in other words, most people who don't own guns
don't care.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I think it can, and I think I think Mark
is deep down, I think he is consumed because he
knows that she des public safety as her desires. But
she gets regular briefings from firearm's lobby. She's getting more
information from them from even her own officials, and we
know that through the OIA process. So she has got
a very clear agenda about making those high end military
(09:28):
style weapons available on ranges. And the risk is if
they're available on rangers, they can find their way into
the hands of criminals, and that is dangerous for New Zealand.
And I think Mark would know that because it's frontline
police officers who are most at risk when those guns
get in the wrong heads.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Mart Well, I'd say that most of my life has
been dedicated to public safety and the safety of us
as a country and I will not let anything happen,
certainly while I'm sitting in Kevin a cabinet that would
that would do anything to put the public at risk.
And I know that I'm com united with all of
my cabinet colleagues across the Coalition government and it's quite
(10:04):
the opposite. We're very focused on making our country one
of the safest countries in the world because we were
back rapidly under the previous government.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well there, both of you. Well done, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks there'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Time for politics Wednesday. That means Mark Mitchell's Wather's along
with Ginny Anderson. Good morning to both of you. I
really don't know. Do either of you get donations to
pay for clothing? Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Should you allowance?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Do you do? Do you get an allowance?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Mark all? So, I'm very lucky that Sirah has got
a much better fashion I have.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So I sort of it's funny you should say that
because I often I mean, not that you're not suitorially adequate,
but it appears, it appears you wear the same thing
all the time, which is which is a blue, blue
tie and white.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I just foind it very easy. I don't need to
put too much thought to what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
No, no, it's quite right. Clive j started that many
years ago. Well, the same thing every time on television,
so you never sort of criticized them, which is why
I thought of e. Ginny the other day. You were
wearing last week a very nice suit which was I mean,
it's very hard to tell with lights and all that,
but but it looked like don't know, tan yellow whatever
with black blacks.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Oh yeah, yeah, I bought it and actually it was
just a little shot in the Greaytown and I've had
it for years and it's just very comfy.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
And yeah, I never say no, never say it's comfy,
because that's no no, don't say stuff like that. Don't
say it's comfy.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's funny. What it was just blessed gold of the
commonio colors, so it sort of probably, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Have to wear tartan no mark.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
You know that's true, you can. I'm assuming Ginny with
the Commentario thing claim some credit given the investigation was
three years long, and that means roughly two of them
were yours. I guess.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah. So Nover was the operation that kicked off in
twenty nineteen and that was more focused money wandering, So
it has been over three years exercise. But that's what happens,
you know, police. And full credit to Circintendent Breaks Williams.
I've worked with him. He's an amazing police officer who
takes us work very seriously and once he's focused on
(02:15):
taking out a group of offenders, he's very determined and
usually gets the outcome he's looking for. So it's great
for New Zealand to see such a huge operation of
myth and fettering money hondering and general misery peddling being
shut down by the police.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Do you reckon mark you are making and trying not
to make this too political, but the police, then let's
ask it this way. The police are making a genuine
dent at last in the gangs in general.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh, without a doubt. I mean, this operation is quite
some of the outstanding policing and showcases just how good
our police are and I just want to acknowledge them
full credit. I was down in christ Church when they
started the operation and there we had over three hundred
police officers involved in this operation. So it's just an
(03:01):
outspending result. By then. I think that you've seen very
clearly in the last eight months that there's been a
big change in the way that police are policing gangs.
They were taking over our provincial towns. They were doing
these convoy runs with our driving on timecoming traffic, with
the harassing and intimidating members of the public. That stopped
because the police have been sent a very clear direction
(03:21):
that they're to put the proper resource in place. Now
they're using the police eagle. We had three gang runs
last weekend. The public, all public had their own rights
protected over and above the gangs. You don't see them
on the front pages of the paper anymore. And by
the way, we've still got a lot more work to do,
but we're definitely tricked in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Good Sorry, carry, I was going to say that the
big wave we saw was when those fireboat ones got
kicked out of Australia and came back in common Heroes
was part of that wave. And the risks that now
Australia have changed that law again that we could say
more coming back in the future so that one of
(04:00):
it flus in a massive on the game landscape in
New Zealand. And now that Australian law has changed, we
need to watch carefully that we don't see another influx.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Do you, in your time in cabinet, without giving cabinet
secrets away, did your government ever consider repatriating problematic Australians
back to Australia, And because we have historically chosen.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Not to do that, yeah, we did look at options
and looked at that. But it's the one problem is
that Australian law is Australian law, and that sovereign and
so a we so if they change their law we have.
All we can do is negotiate and that's exactly what I.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Get that part. But we can send the bat like
there's a bloken prison here at the moment for doing
a lot in christ it's a while back. Who was Australian.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
We could send them. Yeah, yeah, we just don't have
that many. We could, but we don't have as many.
We do when we do when they're really bad, but
we just don't have the numbers.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, so we do we do do that because my
understanding was we never do.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I would send them back, but the number is disproportionate.
And obviously the number that we're sending back to Australia
is much more than the numbers are sending.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Back to you. Oka, carry on.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Now it's going to say, look, we raise us. The
Prime Minister has raised us with the Australian Prime Ministers,
with the Council of Ministers. In Australian meltoms.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
We raise this possibly, yeah exactly, and you get nowhere. Unfortunately,
mind you, I five was Australian and I do the
same thing. Ginny, I've been following with interest. I personally
think you're overegging it a bit, but nevertheless I understand
why you're doing it. Your your prosecution and Nicole McKey
and what she's trying to do with guns in this country. What,
in simple terms, is your great concern about her being
(05:39):
in charge of gun reform.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
That she has proposed to wind back all the changes
we made in twenty nineteen and a combination of just
too much has she has. She said that she's pleached
that soon. Well, she's wound back already what happens in
the gun range, which has to create a loophole where
you can get mo O now without according it. She
said she'll keep a category weapons out of the registry,
(06:03):
which is seventy percent of features that police get it
for legal guns, and she won't rule out bringing back
military style weapons. Now when you're beings like the common
heros who are using paramilitary training tactics and want to
get their hands on datrious guns, and you've got someone
proposing to make it easy to get one, that's a
real risk for New Zealand public safety.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But that's all the illegal side of the equation, though,
isn't it, Which is the debate that came out of
christ Churche whether law abiding citizens were being inconvenienced and
that if you were, you know, a bad bugget, you'd
still get your hands on weapons. And I mean, and
that's in that nothing's changed, has it.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Fifty percent of police investigations around diverted firearms, so legal
firearms that end up to be in the hands of
criminals revolve around licensed firearm owners. So we know that
licensed fireum owners are purchasing weapons and passing them on
to the criminals, and the firearm registreet is the best
way to track there, and police will say that, and
I think Mike believes that as well.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And you're behind the redis three Andre Marte.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, absolutely, And but what he's doing is fair amongering.
She's not. They are facts. Nicole McKee is the Associate
Myst of Justice. She has to a review of the
arm set. The changes she made around them, around the
hunting clubs was quite simply a technical one to do
(07:21):
with administration, and any changes that are going to be made,
any substantive changes were made will have to go through cabinet.
And none of the things that Ginny has is talking about,
it's been proposed, all.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Okay, right, I think, well she hasn't had a change.
You no longer need to record the sales of firearms
or amminition on gun rangers. That's been done, and there
are real concerns. I've heard from police that criminal can
get on to arrange pregending not purchased nine boxes of
blitz use three and pocket the rest and there's no
(07:55):
way of tricking that now. Previously that couldn't be done.
And now that all right?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
So say Jenny's right, Mark, and what what she suggests
does come to pass or get before cabin Are you,
as policeman aster comfortable with them?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Well, I think it's fair for me to say that
anything Ginny says needs to be verified. But absolutely, look,
this has got to go through a cabinet process.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I understand that. So say she's right, and it's in
front of cabinet now and you've suddenly got are you
comfortable with it?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So all I say is this, I can't talk to
future cabinet decisions that will be totally inappropriate. What I
say is this, this government is fully focused on making
the public safer, and the cold is fully focused on
doing the same thing when you look at their history.
She has been an advisor around public safety for a
long time on firearms. But the problem that we had,
(08:44):
as we had the last government was focused in all
the wrong places. We've seen a massive pliferation of firearms
within the criminal fraternity, and they are the ones that
are rest of the public.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, do you think Ginny as passionate as you may
be about the subject. It's actually one of those issues
that can turn the time for a government or otherwise,
or in other words, most people who don't own guns
don't care.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I think it can, and I think I think Mark
is deep down, I think he is consumed because he
knows that she des public safety as her desires. But
she gets regular briefings from firearm's lobby. She's getting more
information from them from even her own officials, and we
know that through the OIA process. So she has got
a very clear agenda about making those high end military
(09:28):
style weapons available on ranges. And the risk is if
they're available on rangers, they can find their way into
the hands of criminals, and that is dangerous for New Zealand.
And I think Mark would know that because it's frontline
police officers who are most at risk when those guns
get in the wrong heads.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Mart Well, I'd say that most of my life has
been dedicated to public safety and the safety of us
as a country and I will not let anything happen,
certainly while I'm sitting in Kevin a cabinet that would
that would do anything to put the public at risk.
And I know that I'm com united with all of
my cabinet colleagues across the Coalition government and it's quite
(10:04):
the opposite. We're very focused on making our country one
of the safest countries in the world because we were
back rapidly under the previous government.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well there, both of you. Well done, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
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