The Government's conceded it'll likely miss its November target for 500 new police.
Under the National-NZ First coalition agreement, it aimed to reach the recruitment target within its first two years in office.
Police bosses say they've been facing challenges, with more trainees failing training and more people leaving the force.
Police Minister Mark Mitchell told Mike Hosking they're not going to get hung up on the target.
He says they're going to deliver the 500, but standards matter, and they won't compromise.
Labour’s Ginny Andersen told Mike Hosking that the closer they can get to what they promised the better, but they’re currently only sitting at 17 extra officers from when they started.
She says getting to 500 by November is virtually impossible.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We welcome to the program. Jinny Anderson, good morning, Good morning,
and Mark Mature, Good morning, Jenny.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You might just quick question, are you looking are you
looking at putting a country music being too something together?
Because he seemed to be really promoting country music. We're
just talking to see him. The first thing he asked,
Gy and I, did you got Did you guys listen
to country music over the weekend? I said no, I
said did you and he said yep. And the Supermarke
and I said, we lined dancing in the fresh fruit.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And it's sad would have said years.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
He didn't deny it. He did not deny it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's a very good question, Ginny. If you listened to
our new radio station, our new country radio station.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I have not, but I have made a personal note
to do so in the next short while.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
What's the note, say, dear Ginny, don't forget to listen
to the country music stace.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Do you have you got any ratings yet?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know, early days on the ratings, but Breakfast remained
strong on this station. But I think it's going to
weekend till the afternoon show afternoons.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Are you going to make any cameo appearances?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Probably enough if the Boss asked me to do a
couple of promos for it, and I think I will
do those promos and I will appear in some way,
shape or form. I think it's my future, Ginny, to
be honest, because this talk radio things coming to a
slow end. So I think I'm going to move and
I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Can you do a bit of like a Southern rule
you can get the magic DJ voice to and you
can get it really well.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Do you know what the boss has just told me?
The Boss has just told me he's getting close to
replacing me with the AI editorial. So the MIC's minute.
He was up last night and he was saying, write
editorial is about this, that and the next thing, and
he reckons he's nailed it and it probably won't be
long before you're being interviewed by an AI. Mike Hosking.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No, it's just not possible, Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Not.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, there's something. There's some areas you can't go with AI,
and that's one of them.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, I hope, so right, Ginny, Yes, exactly, so mix skimming.
I know, I know it's all, I get it all.
But just quickly, Ginny, did you know him and your
observation of him was.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
What I did know him, and I didn't notice anything
different from any other police officer I weeped Worth during
that time.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So whatever comes out of this is a surprise to you.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yes, okay, it had no full warning of any of
us know.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Okay, Mark, are there lessons potentially to be learned? Given
that and we had Nash on the program yesterday and
you just did what Jenny said and you know him obviously,
are there lessons to be learned potentially depending on what
happens in how you appoint people at the highest level.
If there are flags there that you might have miss
or be missing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yes, absolutely there are, and there is. I can't talk
to the detail, as you've said, and you know, in
terms of because he's an ongoing IPCO investigation and police
criminal investigation. But yes, there are definitely lessons learned out
of this, without a doubt that we'll deal with sort
of later down the line. Look, it's an awful situation
to deal with, but you know it had to be
(02:56):
dealt with. I just said, the worst thing about these
situations is always the family and the fallout because it
plays out very publicly. But the reality of it is
is that public confidence and the police is very important.
We have an outstanding, world class police service. There are
a big organizations sometimes people that don't hold to the values.
The important thing is that you respond quickly at quickly
(03:16):
in dealing with that, and that's what we've done here.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
See Ginny marxaid the other day he could understand people's
confidence in the police force being shaken. I can't see
that being the case. This is one allegedly one bloke
bad apple the forces thousands and thousands. That doesn't adjust
my view of the police in any way, shape or form,
does it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
My view is that police have an excellent reputation in
New Zealand and something like this wouldn't impact upon it.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
No, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
So I agree with both of you, But I just
recognize the fact that maybe some people are looking at it,
and I think it's important to recognize that. But on
the same breath, I tried to reassure them and let
them know that we have got a world class police service,
tens of thousands of positive actions every day, and you
get it's like any big organization, someone that doesn't hold
(04:03):
to the values. That's how you respond to that. And
so I agree with you completely. But it's important that
I acknowledge too that some people may be feeling a
bit unsure. I'm just trying to reassure.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That that's all bad news. Mark five hundred. You're not
going to make it. They said you wouldn't and you're not.
How bad is this, Well.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
We're going to deliver the five hundred. Make no mistake
about the time. Well with the target was November twenty
five or twenty eight. But the reality of it, as
I've said, we're not going to be We're not going
to get hung up on that because there's a big
focus back on standards. Back in twenty seventeen, you.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Weren't saying that when you promise them five hundred. Though, Mark,
you were promising five hundred. You weren't saying, Oh, don't
worry about the numbers, folks, let's talk standards. You said
we're going to do dred.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
No, we're still staying committed to the five hundred. We're
going to deliver the five hundred. But standards matter and
we're not going to compromise on that. And it's become
evident that we have to address some issues around standards
that the Commissioner is doing a review of that at
the moment. And I just want to point out one thing, Mike,
when I came into when I became minister, we went
(05:03):
from a sixteen week training course at the college to
a twenty week training course which I supported.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Don't promise stuff you can't deliver, Jenny. Let me put
it to you this way. If they come in on
deadline at four eighty nine or four seventy two, is
that fair enough A last yes, but it's fair enough
as opposed to say to twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well, the closer they can get to what they promise
New Zealand is the better. But right now I think
they have seventeen. We're sitting at seventeen extra police officers
from when they started, so getting two four hundred by
November this year, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We had a diffy and possible we had a definit week.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'd like to finish.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Please.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
So it's if the government promises things in an election,
or the National Party promises things and they don't deliver,
they need to be held accountable for the fact they've
promised and not delivered and what they said they would
and this erodes confidence in their ability to deliver.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So let me be really clear on this find this,
I'm not going to take a lecture from Ginny Anderson
when they missed their target three times on their promise,
and then we found out that it wasn't eighteen hundred
frontline police officers. It was fifteen hundred and three hundred
authorized officers who do an outstanding job, but they're not
frontline police officers. So and the one thing that we
have done, and I signaled this from opposition in twenty seventeen,
(06:18):
I didn't agree the changing standards at that time. We're
now reviewing that, which I'm very pleased to see the
commissioners doing. We've increased the time that our police officers
are at college from sixteen to twenty weeks. That is
important so that we give the best possibly equipped and
trained police officers when they deploy. So what we've done
as government is we've increased standards. We've increased the training time,
(06:41):
which we knew was always going to make it harder
to reach our target. We think that it is important
to have targets. We're still aiming for that. We'll wait
and see how close we are, but we will deliver
five hundred police officers real quick.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
On this. The gun registry agree to disagree. Is that done?
Now they don't agree?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You do?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
That's life. We move on. Yes, no, yes, yeah, that's done.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We've moved on.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Okay, so what Mark? What?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But what?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Mark won't answer? And I asked him in the House
es today and you refuse to answer.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Did you question? Number?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Was that? I watched all o you You've got to
tune in on.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
The review, didn't It didn't happen about eight.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
O'clock class night.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think, oh, for goodness, so you're better things to do.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Nicole McKee has said she wants another review because you
didn't like the first one, and Mark said, no, you
can't have it. We've got a review. That's it. So
that that's good. We've got that established. But she wants
a category weapons, which are shotguns and rifles, the main
weapons that criminals use. She wants those out of the registry.
And now I believe that the Minister of Police needs
to clarify what he thinks lobby is take all these
(07:45):
guns out of the registry.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I don't. I don't think anyone has been left in
any doubt what my position is the Minister of Polics,
I will not compromise on public safety. The issues that
you're raising need to go through cabinet. It's a cabinet process,
and you know that I can't get ahead of that.
But I have voice around the cabinet table, and I
think everyone clearly understands, especially through the agreed to disagree,
that I will not compromise on public safety. And by
(08:08):
the way, Nicole McKee also is very focused on public safety.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
She's doing to.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Rewrite thet she's doing to rewrite of the Arms Act,
and that's a big piece of work.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Okay, MP's pay rises any other way, Genny of doing
it better or not, or it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's just come at a time when the minimum wage
didn't even go up in line with inflation, and you're
cutting women's pay, so it's come at a raw time
for music.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Well that is that is just an outright lie that
when no one is cutting woman's pay.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And as much as Mark, as much as I am
on your side on this, because this has been egged,
way over egged, But was there a meeting within the
National Party that you guys each and every individually, each
and every individual call it a lie, because all I've
heard yesterday is lux and a lie. Nickel or a lie?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You a lie?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Everyone's saying lie. Actually you say.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Lie because they being completely totally dishonest. Well, let's use
another word in dishonest. And you know, we do have
responsibility as public figures to actually speak to the truth
because your words often do matter. They are trying to
stir up a whole lot of sentiment and the truth.
Not on dishonesty. But but the other thing too, Mike,
(09:18):
is if we're talking about woman, what about Chris Hipkins
coming out and condemning the use of the sea word
against one of our female politicians. He's all very brave
last year when he said I think we do have
responsiblit as men to step up and condemn that and
speak out against it. Now it's happened in the worst
possible way against one of our females in Parliament, and
he's missing in action. He's he's he's in the corner
(09:40):
sucking his thumb and the fetal position, crying for mum.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Mike, if I could just say something, he'll be good.
So in terms of whether the government has cut women's
pay or not, both the Prime Minister and the soon
to be Deputy Prime Minister have said that getting rid
of this pay equity. The changes to pay.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Have saved get ahead of yoursel you can't. I'm not
going to let you do it on this program because
it is dishonest that the claims will be heard under
the new rules, and you don't know what will be
heard or won't be heard, and what will be decided
or won't be decided. You can't get ahead of something
that hasn't happened.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Absolutely, but the framework has been changed to make it
harder for those claims.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It's not true, it's not true at all. It's true.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It's changed from seventy percent women to sixty percent women.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So correct, sixty sixty to seventy. But they're trying to
argue I don't know why I'm arguing this mark, but
it's equity. Those aren't half of them our equity claims.
They call equity claims. But there's no equity claims. That's right,
they're not true claims. They're just overreaches by unions. Correct.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And it's a system that the labor governments set up
that is not sustainable for us as a country. And
we want to have a fear sustainable system that allows
to meet all of those demands.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Having said that Mark, I would be harder for women
to get equal paid.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, we'll see. It may well be, Jinny, but will see.
But Mark, I would be prosecuting this as hard as
I could have.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I was late.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
But because you are running a risk on this politically,
I think, aren't you. Well, that's what they're doing, and
they actually politics, but you are running a risk on this.
Is this has got under the SA's the job, that's
the job of opposition.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But let's at least have an honest debate around it
and not put a whole lot of misinformation and fear
mongering out there.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And then it's not going to go away, I don't think, Mark.
Nice to see your Jinny. Nice to see you as well.
Marke and Ginny for another week.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
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We welcome to the program. Jinny Anderson, good morning, Good morning,
and Mark Mature, Good morning, Jenny.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You might just quick question, are you looking are you
looking at putting a country music being too something together?
Because he seemed to be really promoting country music. We're
just talking to see him. The first thing he asked,
Gy and I, did you got Did you guys listen
to country music over the weekend? I said no, I
said did you and he said yep. And the Supermarke
and I said, we lined dancing in the fresh fruit.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And it's sad would have said years.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
He didn't deny it. He did not deny it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's a very good question, Ginny. If you listened to
our new radio station, our new country radio station.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I have not, but I have made a personal note
to do so in the next short while.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
What's the note, say, dear Ginny, don't forget to listen
to the country music stace.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Do you have you got any ratings yet?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know, early days on the ratings, but Breakfast remained
strong on this station. But I think it's going to
weekend till the afternoon show afternoons.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Are you going to make any cameo appearances?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Probably enough if the Boss asked me to do a
couple of promos for it, and I think I will
do those promos and I will appear in some way,
shape or form. I think it's my future, Ginny, to
be honest, because this talk radio things coming to a
slow end. So I think I'm going to move and
I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Can you do a bit of like a Southern rule
you can get the magic DJ voice to and you
can get it really well.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Do you know what the boss has just told me?
The Boss has just told me he's getting close to
replacing me with the AI editorial. So the MIC's minute.
He was up last night and he was saying, write
editorial is about this, that and the next thing, and
he reckons he's nailed it and it probably won't be
long before you're being interviewed by an AI. Mike Hosking.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
No, it's just not possible, Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Not.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, there's something. There's some areas you can't go with AI,
and that's one of them.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, I hope, so right, Ginny, Yes, exactly, so mix skimming.
I know, I know it's all, I get it all.
But just quickly, Ginny, did you know him and your
observation of him was.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
What I did know him, and I didn't notice anything
different from any other police officer I weeped Worth during
that time.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So whatever comes out of this is a surprise to you.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yes, okay, it had no full warning of any of
us know.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Okay, Mark, are there lessons potentially to be learned? Given
that and we had Nash on the program yesterday and
you just did what Jenny said and you know him obviously,
are there lessons to be learned potentially depending on what
happens in how you appoint people at the highest level.
If there are flags there that you might have miss
or be missing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yes, absolutely there are, and there is. I can't talk
to the detail, as you've said, and you know, in
terms of because he's an ongoing IPCO investigation and police
criminal investigation. But yes, there are definitely lessons learned out
of this, without a doubt that we'll deal with sort
of later down the line. Look, it's an awful situation
to deal with, but you know it had to be
(02:56):
dealt with. I just said, the worst thing about these
situations is always the family and the fallout because it
plays out very publicly. But the reality of it is
is that public confidence and the police is very important.
We have an outstanding, world class police service. There are
a big organizations sometimes people that don't hold to the values.
The important thing is that you respond quickly at quickly
(03:16):
in dealing with that, and that's what we've done here.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
See Ginny marxaid the other day he could understand people's
confidence in the police force being shaken. I can't see
that being the case. This is one allegedly one bloke
bad apple the forces thousands and thousands. That doesn't adjust
my view of the police in any way, shape or form,
does it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
My view is that police have an excellent reputation in
New Zealand and something like this wouldn't impact upon it.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
No, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
So I agree with both of you, But I just
recognize the fact that maybe some people are looking at it,
and I think it's important to recognize that. But on
the same breath, I tried to reassure them and let
them know that we have got a world class police service,
tens of thousands of positive actions every day, and you
get it's like any big organization, someone that doesn't hold
(04:03):
to the values. That's how you respond to that. And
so I agree with you completely. But it's important that
I acknowledge too that some people may be feeling a
bit unsure. I'm just trying to reassure.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That that's all bad news. Mark five hundred. You're not
going to make it. They said you wouldn't and you're not.
How bad is this, Well.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
We're going to deliver the five hundred. Make no mistake
about the time. Well with the target was November twenty
five or twenty eight. But the reality of it, as
I've said, we're not going to be We're not going
to get hung up on that because there's a big
focus back on standards. Back in twenty seventeen, you.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Weren't saying that when you promise them five hundred. Though, Mark,
you were promising five hundred. You weren't saying, Oh, don't
worry about the numbers, folks, let's talk standards. You said
we're going to do dred.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
No, we're still staying committed to the five hundred. We're
going to deliver the five hundred. But standards matter and
we're not going to compromise on that. And it's become
evident that we have to address some issues around standards
that the Commissioner is doing a review of that at
the moment. And I just want to point out one thing, Mike,
when I came into when I became minister, we went
(05:03):
from a sixteen week training course at the college to
a twenty week training course which I supported.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Don't promise stuff you can't deliver, Jenny. Let me put
it to you this way. If they come in on
deadline at four eighty nine or four seventy two, is
that fair enough A last yes, but it's fair enough
as opposed to say to twelve.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well, the closer they can get to what they promise
New Zealand is the better. But right now I think
they have seventeen. We're sitting at seventeen extra police officers
from when they started, so getting two four hundred by
November this year, Well.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
We had a diffy and possible we had a definit week.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'd like to finish.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Please.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
So it's if the government promises things in an election,
or the National Party promises things and they don't deliver,
they need to be held accountable for the fact they've
promised and not delivered and what they said they would
and this erodes confidence in their ability to deliver.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So let me be really clear on this find this,
I'm not going to take a lecture from Ginny Anderson
when they missed their target three times on their promise,
and then we found out that it wasn't eighteen hundred
frontline police officers. It was fifteen hundred and three hundred
authorized officers who do an outstanding job, but they're not
frontline police officers. So and the one thing that we
have done, and I signaled this from opposition in twenty seventeen,
(06:18):
I didn't agree the changing standards at that time. We're
now reviewing that, which I'm very pleased to see the
commissioners doing. We've increased the time that our police officers
are at college from sixteen to twenty weeks. That is
important so that we give the best possibly equipped and
trained police officers when they deploy. So what we've done
as government is we've increased standards. We've increased the training time,
(06:41):
which we knew was always going to make it harder
to reach our target. We think that it is important
to have targets. We're still aiming for that. We'll wait
and see how close we are, but we will deliver
five hundred police officers real quick.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
On this. The gun registry agree to disagree. Is that done?
Now they don't agree?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You do?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
That's life. We move on. Yes, no, yes, yeah, that's done.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We've moved on.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Okay, so what Mark? What?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
But what?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Mark won't answer? And I asked him in the House
es today and you refuse to answer.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Did you question? Number?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Was that? I watched all o you You've got to
tune in on.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
The review, didn't It didn't happen about eight.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
O'clock class night.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I think, oh, for goodness, so you're better things to do.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Nicole McKee has said she wants another review because you
didn't like the first one, and Mark said, no, you
can't have it. We've got a review. That's it. So
that that's good. We've got that established. But she wants
a category weapons, which are shotguns and rifles, the main
weapons that criminals use. She wants those out of the registry.
And now I believe that the Minister of Police needs
to clarify what he thinks lobby is take all these
(07:45):
guns out of the registry.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I don't. I don't think anyone has been left in
any doubt what my position is the Minister of Polics,
I will not compromise on public safety. The issues that
you're raising need to go through cabinet. It's a cabinet process,
and you know that I can't get ahead of that.
But I have voice around the cabinet table, and I
think everyone clearly understands, especially through the agreed to disagree,
that I will not compromise on public safety. And by
(08:08):
the way, Nicole McKee also is very focused on public safety.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
She's doing to.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Rewrite thet she's doing to rewrite of the Arms Act,
and that's a big piece of work.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Okay, MP's pay rises any other way, Genny of doing
it better or not, or it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's just come at a time when the minimum wage
didn't even go up in line with inflation, and you're
cutting women's pay, so it's come at a raw time
for music.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Well that is that is just an outright lie that
when no one is cutting woman's pay.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And as much as Mark, as much as I am
on your side on this, because this has been egged,
way over egged, But was there a meeting within the
National Party that you guys each and every individually, each
and every individual call it a lie, because all I've
heard yesterday is lux and a lie. Nickel or a lie?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You a lie?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Everyone's saying lie. Actually you say.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Lie because they being completely totally dishonest. Well, let's use
another word in dishonest. And you know, we do have
responsibility as public figures to actually speak to the truth
because your words often do matter. They are trying to
stir up a whole lot of sentiment and the truth.
Not on dishonesty. But but the other thing too, Mike,
(09:18):
is if we're talking about woman, what about Chris Hipkins
coming out and condemning the use of the sea word
against one of our female politicians. He's all very brave
last year when he said I think we do have
responsiblit as men to step up and condemn that and
speak out against it. Now it's happened in the worst
possible way against one of our females in Parliament, and
he's missing in action. He's he's he's in the corner
(09:40):
sucking his thumb and the fetal position, crying for mum.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Mike, if I could just say something, he'll be good.
So in terms of whether the government has cut women's
pay or not, both the Prime Minister and the soon
to be Deputy Prime Minister have said that getting rid
of this pay equity. The changes to pay.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Have saved get ahead of yoursel you can't. I'm not
going to let you do it on this program because
it is dishonest that the claims will be heard under
the new rules, and you don't know what will be
heard or won't be heard, and what will be decided
or won't be decided. You can't get ahead of something
that hasn't happened.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Absolutely, but the framework has been changed to make it
harder for those claims.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It's not true, it's not true at all. It's true.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It's changed from seventy percent women to sixty percent women.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So correct, sixty sixty to seventy. But they're trying to
argue I don't know why I'm arguing this mark, but
it's equity. Those aren't half of them our equity claims.
They call equity claims. But there's no equity claims. That's right,
they're not true claims. They're just overreaches by unions. Correct.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And it's a system that the labor governments set up
that is not sustainable for us as a country. And
we want to have a fear sustainable system that allows
to meet all of those demands.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Having said that Mark, I would be harder for women
to get equal paid.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, we'll see. It may well be, Jinny, but will see.
But Mark, I would be prosecuting this as hard as
I could have.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I was late.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
But because you are running a risk on this politically,
I think, aren't you. Well, that's what they're doing, and
they actually politics, but you are running a risk on this.
Is this has got under the SA's the job, that's
the job of opposition.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But let's at least have an honest debate around it
and not put a whole lot of misinformation and fear
mongering out there.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And then it's not going to go away, I don't think, Mark.
Nice to see your Jinny. Nice to see you as well.
Marke and Ginny for another week.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
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