Crime is at the forefront this Politics Wednesday, with multiple new measures and harsher punishments being announced.
Mark Mitchell and Ginny Andersen joined Mike Hosking to discuss the new developments, along with the other major stories of the week thus far.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell Weather's along with Ginny Anderson. Good
morning you too, Morning morning, good morning. Do you have
Ginny with you your youth MP?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Not besides me, but we've been in close contact over
the last few days, particularly considering all of the drama
that's been happening at Parliament.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well, well, come back to that drama in the moment.
Where is your youth MP right now.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
That say they're getting ready to go into Youth Parliament,
they'll be there in so they'll be getting into the
bus or how they're getting there, and I will be
watching his debate in the General debate at about half
past ten this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Have you given them any Anderson tips?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Of course? Alice, Yeah, Like it's really quite hard when
you're speaking for the first time in the house because
I always remember when I did my maiden speech. You
don't know who to look at. You know, when you
get up to talk to a room, you sort of
look at the front row, or look at someone who's smiling,
or your mum if she's there and there's no one there.
It's sort of you're looking at the speaker and you've
(01:05):
got these sort of angry looking opposition people or government
depending on where you are at the time, So knowing
where to look and to take a breath and not
going too fast, all those things. You want to make
sure they have thought about.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Those, did you, Because one I've observed of you, Jinny,
is that you're a lecturn gripper.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, I am a lejendripper, did you fever? It's just
with a pin. I've told as well, I need to
put my pin down. I can point that around a bit.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Mark, Did you tell them to grip the lecturn?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Usually it's to give me a bit of extra height
because I have trouble. I'm vertically challenged, so sometimes that
can push me up a bit further. No, I didn't
tell him that. I just told him to enjoy it
for what it is and to get you know, have
a good time is what it's about.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Mark, your MP. Whereas where as your MP. As we speak, she's.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
On her way and now to Parliament. She's absolutely loving
the experience. She delivered a very good General debate speech yesterday.
She spoke about mental health. She spoke about, you know,
the negative impact of drugs Class A drugs on our
country and communities. And she's a really patiate young woman
that actually has already in year thirteen started up a
(02:13):
little charity that she's delivering aid into the Pacific Islands
and in particular.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, well, is yours impressive to Ginny? I mean, you've
got to say obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Genuinely, Yeah, as amazing. He's our first year university student.
He comes from a family of eleven, and he's proud
someone active in the community and winery and really I've
really enjoyed going to local events with him. So he's
come out with me over the last couple of days
to attend different community engagements, in particular Clever and you
(02:44):
know he's going to be a leader in New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Have you met any other ones, Mark, I mean there
are any idiots in there.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I've met a few that was sort of you know,
it's like it's like it's like any parliament. You're going
to get some top quality ones and you get some
sort of stretch. You wonder, well there even applied to
be there. But look, in my views, yeah, I love it.
It's I heard that someone's getting up making a speech
saying that you don't have it a voice in New Zealand. Well,
(03:12):
it's a bit of a contradiction in terms is that
when it's standing up in our parliament being able to
talk about issues that are important young people and what.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Was yesterday about In this whole we've been repressed and
we're not allowed to say what we want in the
ministry of whoever runs it's gone on. Is any of
that true or not?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It is true?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It is true, It is true.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, I've seen the email. So they write a speech
for the first time ever, they were required to submit
it for approval, and there were things that were taken out.
I've seen more than my UTHMP and a few others
where when they talked about pay equity, the Treaty principles,
one instance, growing up at a home where there's not
enough food or affording to be able to pay for
(03:50):
the heating to be on in winter, all those things
were to be removed and they had to be resubmitted
with them taken out.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And is this the ministry?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, who knows? Is it the minister telling the ministry
or is it just the ministry? We will never know.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, I'd have to check on that, but I know
that when Labor and Government all the speeches were also
made content was okay. So we'd have to look at that, and.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
We clarified that are you Mark Mark for the record,
are you running a repressive regime here?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
No, definitely not that. Quite the opposite. The repressive regime,
the regime that told everyone that they were the pulp
of the truth was the previous government, not this one.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
If you're the one telling young people they can't say
what they think in their.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Head, the problem with you, problem with Jenny Fax is
you got to go and check them, fact check them.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So let me go on fact check that you do that,
Genny fact a couple of minutes quickly on this business,
but big week for the government. Mark on Justice, Crime
first responds, instant fines King, he's the whole thing. What
materially do you expect to happen as a result of
these changes.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Well, I think they all add to some weight around
a system, change around consequences, and I think that's been
missing in our country for quite a long time, and
it's time that consequences were brought back. People don't get
a free ride when they decide to walk into someone's
business and steal from them, when they decide to abuse
or assault workers who go to work expecting to be
able to go home safely at the end of their shift.
(05:22):
So I think that we've as a government, we've been
really clear, and we came into government we were sick
and tired of the fact that there were no consequences,
that crime had been allowed to get completely out of
control of this country. And we're pushing back and we're
starting to make some progress in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, Ginny, is there anything announced this week that you
guys would flip or will you live with all of it?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, the problem we have, Mike, is that because they
failed to deliver their promise of five hundred police, all
of these things are trying to compensate for the fact
that they've missed the mark on what they promised. Key
is that they would do, so I don't think we'd
flip them. But there are things that are a bit year,
like the shoplifting, like the previous or the current level
(06:03):
for shoplifting is that it's seven years for over one
thousand dollars now, so they've actually lowered the threshold for
shoplifting through these changes. So let me finish that. So
currently it's five hundred three months of five hundred. If
it's under a k you get a year. If it's
over one thousand, you get seven years. And they're saying
(06:25):
that they've got this two thousand marks, So for shoplifting
between one thousand and two thousand dollars, they've actually lowered
the amount that people.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But just for the record, the first responders, the king Hits,
sucker punch, whatever you want to call them, the instant
finds in the discount. You wouldn't change that in some
in simple terms.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
We would take all those things to caucus. But I
think that it's important first responders are safe. All those
things are important changes, but the ability to make sure
that they are implemented relies on having a well resourced frontline.
And well, I'm.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Glad, I'm glad that you.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm glad you're going to support our first responders because,
first of all, a big shout out to bus drivers. Second,
big shout out to Andy Everest, who is a leader
with Saint John's and he has been meeting with me
regularly on the wanting to see the first Responders bill
walk back. Just let me give you some history here.
Derek Ball, who felt very strongly about this New Zealand
(07:23):
first Member of Parliament at the time. They went out
of Parliament twenty twenty asked me to pick up his
first Responders bill and said that he had they were
in government if you remember, with Labor, and said he
had support for it. I picked it up. I could
not yet Labor support for a first responders bill. They
voted it down. So it's nice to hear Jenny that
you have changed your position.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
In mon again.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Mark, is it a Mark fact because I said it's
going to caucus. So Mark Fax's time.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
On the There's nothing you can argue about here as
the gener.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Look, they're all good measures, but they need one. Actually,
someone has written to me in the last few hours
and said they're a bus driver and they're really worried
about the level of violence at bust drivers face not
a point why they are included along with ambulance drivers.
Why should someone get a longer presence intent for punching
an ambulance driver in the face.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well, because this government is serious about looking after all
kiwis and whatever work. And I just want to address
your five hundred. When I became minister, we were two
hundred down. Do you know why? That's because you and
I just I just want to say before Mark, let me,
let me give a share out to our police officers, because.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Even with Mark, it's not telethoned, we're not we're not
giving him. Well, well, let me.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Let me I just I do feel, I do I
do feel. I do feel very strongly that I want
to defend your frontline police officers who.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
The police do a great job. But I think I
watched Chambers yesterday. To be fair, Mark, I watched Chambers yesterday.
I think we can conclude you're not going to get
to five hundred before the end of the year like
you promised.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, the five hundred with got to focus on standards
because in twenty eighteen the standards were dropped and discretion
was so and so we're in stating that. And at
the time I slipt committee. I challenged the government. I said,
you can't be doing this. So we're reversing that. I've
done that.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Okay, I've got sixty seconds left, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Just just really quickly though. No, Sorry, Jenny, Sorry, Jenny,
look sorry, Jenny. I want to acknowledge the police effect
that crimers crimes starting to come down, Jenny, This is
important to people. Crimes starting to come down, Victimized victimizations
are starting to come.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Right, let's do this an election quickly, quickly, I've got
sixty seconds. Did either of you ever meet Mitchunkovic and
did she do anything useful before she came? And she went.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Radio silence?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Who she's the MP who's resigned? Oh oh right, No,
I have.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Better And I think that she just felt like her
skills a bit of use in the private secret at
the moment. And I respect the fiction made that decision.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, yeah, sorry to use your first name. I would
have known that. I don't know. I think you know,
I know who's talking about. I think there's more to
that story. It's quite bizarre someone would resign so quickly
without anything more to that, So I think.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
A scandal at the end of the segment like that.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Going back to privacytor, they are conspiracy to this, My
great news.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
We opened down New Auckland came.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I show you what's John Key doing there? For goodness sake?
He said that they need a hug. They can come
and call me. What's that about.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, well he's the patron. So each wing has got
a patron. In fact, we should put you forward one
of these. I'd love to be a patron. Okay, noted,
because what the patrons do. Every police officer, remember, see
the patron was of the wing and they spend time
with you. For God's sake, you'd be a great patron.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Listens, you could if you give them Rickens on the
front line, how they could deal with tricky situation.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Exactly. I've got bipartisan support to become a patron. I
don't care who wins the election next to you now,
either way, I'm going to be a patron, aren't i?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Ginny, Yeah, Mike hoskings Wing and we'll go down in history.
I reckon.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
We're going to nice to see you. But you still
think there's something to the Unklevich story, do you, Jenny?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It just seems I don't know. I think there's a
bit more to it. You will even know, But.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Mark Mark Mitchell, Jinny Anderson for another week. For more
from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news Talks
it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast
on I Heard Radio.
Politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell Weather's along with Ginny Anderson. Good
morning you too, Morning morning, good morning. Do you have
Ginny with you your youth MP?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Not besides me, but we've been in close contact over
the last few days, particularly considering all of the drama
that's been happening at Parliament.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well, well, come back to that drama in the moment.
Where is your youth MP right now.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
That say they're getting ready to go into Youth Parliament,
they'll be there in so they'll be getting into the
bus or how they're getting there, and I will be
watching his debate in the General debate at about half
past ten this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Have you given them any Anderson tips?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Of course? Alice, Yeah, Like it's really quite hard when
you're speaking for the first time in the house because
I always remember when I did my maiden speech. You
don't know who to look at. You know, when you
get up to talk to a room, you sort of
look at the front row, or look at someone who's smiling,
or your mum if she's there and there's no one there.
It's sort of you're looking at the speaker and you've
(01:05):
got these sort of angry looking opposition people or government
depending on where you are at the time, So knowing
where to look and to take a breath and not
going too fast, all those things. You want to make
sure they have thought about.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Those, did you, Because one I've observed of you, Jinny,
is that you're a lecturn gripper.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, I am a lejendripper, did you fever? It's just
with a pin. I've told as well, I need to
put my pin down. I can point that around a bit.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Mark, Did you tell them to grip the lecturn?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Usually it's to give me a bit of extra height
because I have trouble. I'm vertically challenged, so sometimes that
can push me up a bit further. No, I didn't
tell him that. I just told him to enjoy it
for what it is and to get you know, have
a good time is what it's about.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Mark, your MP. Whereas where as your MP. As we speak, she's.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
On her way and now to Parliament. She's absolutely loving
the experience. She delivered a very good General debate speech yesterday.
She spoke about mental health. She spoke about, you know,
the negative impact of drugs Class A drugs on our
country and communities. And she's a really patiate young woman
that actually has already in year thirteen started up a
(02:13):
little charity that she's delivering aid into the Pacific Islands
and in particular.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, well, is yours impressive to Ginny? I mean, you've
got to say obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Genuinely, Yeah, as amazing. He's our first year university student.
He comes from a family of eleven, and he's proud
someone active in the community and winery and really I've
really enjoyed going to local events with him. So he's
come out with me over the last couple of days
to attend different community engagements, in particular Clever and you
(02:44):
know he's going to be a leader in New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Have you met any other ones, Mark, I mean there
are any idiots in there.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I've met a few that was sort of you know,
it's like it's like it's like any parliament. You're going
to get some top quality ones and you get some
sort of stretch. You wonder, well there even applied to
be there. But look, in my views, yeah, I love it.
It's I heard that someone's getting up making a speech
saying that you don't have it a voice in New Zealand. Well,
(03:12):
it's a bit of a contradiction in terms is that
when it's standing up in our parliament being able to
talk about issues that are important young people and what.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Was yesterday about In this whole we've been repressed and
we're not allowed to say what we want in the
ministry of whoever runs it's gone on. Is any of
that true or not?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
It is true?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It is true, It is true.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, I've seen the email. So they write a speech
for the first time ever, they were required to submit
it for approval, and there were things that were taken out.
I've seen more than my UTHMP and a few others
where when they talked about pay equity, the Treaty principles,
one instance, growing up at a home where there's not
enough food or affording to be able to pay for
(03:50):
the heating to be on in winter, all those things
were to be removed and they had to be resubmitted
with them taken out.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And is this the ministry?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well, who knows? Is it the minister telling the ministry
or is it just the ministry? We will never know.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, I'd have to check on that, but I know
that when Labor and Government all the speeches were also
made content was okay. So we'd have to look at that, and.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
We clarified that are you Mark Mark for the record,
are you running a repressive regime here?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
No, definitely not that. Quite the opposite. The repressive regime,
the regime that told everyone that they were the pulp
of the truth was the previous government, not this one.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
If you're the one telling young people they can't say
what they think in their.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Head, the problem with you, problem with Jenny Fax is
you got to go and check them, fact check them.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So let me go on fact check that you do that,
Genny fact a couple of minutes quickly on this business,
but big week for the government. Mark on Justice, Crime
first responds, instant fines King, he's the whole thing. What
materially do you expect to happen as a result of
these changes.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Well, I think they all add to some weight around
a system, change around consequences, and I think that's been
missing in our country for quite a long time, and
it's time that consequences were brought back. People don't get
a free ride when they decide to walk into someone's
business and steal from them, when they decide to abuse
or assault workers who go to work expecting to be
able to go home safely at the end of their shift.
(05:22):
So I think that we've as a government, we've been
really clear, and we came into government we were sick
and tired of the fact that there were no consequences,
that crime had been allowed to get completely out of
control of this country. And we're pushing back and we're
starting to make some progress in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, Ginny, is there anything announced this week that you
guys would flip or will you live with all of it?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, the problem we have, Mike, is that because they
failed to deliver their promise of five hundred police, all
of these things are trying to compensate for the fact
that they've missed the mark on what they promised. Key
is that they would do, so I don't think we'd
flip them. But there are things that are a bit year,
like the shoplifting, like the previous or the current level
(06:03):
for shoplifting is that it's seven years for over one
thousand dollars now, so they've actually lowered the threshold for
shoplifting through these changes. So let me finish that. So
currently it's five hundred three months of five hundred. If
it's under a k you get a year. If it's
over one thousand, you get seven years. And they're saying
(06:25):
that they've got this two thousand marks, So for shoplifting
between one thousand and two thousand dollars, they've actually lowered
the amount that people.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But just for the record, the first responders, the king Hits,
sucker punch, whatever you want to call them, the instant
finds in the discount. You wouldn't change that in some
in simple terms.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
We would take all those things to caucus. But I
think that it's important first responders are safe. All those
things are important changes, but the ability to make sure
that they are implemented relies on having a well resourced frontline.
And well, I'm.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Glad, I'm glad that you.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm glad you're going to support our first responders because,
first of all, a big shout out to bus drivers. Second,
big shout out to Andy Everest, who is a leader
with Saint John's and he has been meeting with me
regularly on the wanting to see the first Responders bill
walk back. Just let me give you some history here.
Derek Ball, who felt very strongly about this New Zealand
(07:23):
first Member of Parliament at the time. They went out
of Parliament twenty twenty asked me to pick up his
first Responders bill and said that he had they were
in government if you remember, with Labor, and said he
had support for it. I picked it up. I could
not yet Labor support for a first responders bill. They
voted it down. So it's nice to hear Jenny that
you have changed your position.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
In mon again.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Mark, is it a Mark fact because I said it's
going to caucus. So Mark Fax's time.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
On the There's nothing you can argue about here as
the gener.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Look, they're all good measures, but they need one. Actually,
someone has written to me in the last few hours
and said they're a bus driver and they're really worried
about the level of violence at bust drivers face not
a point why they are included along with ambulance drivers.
Why should someone get a longer presence intent for punching
an ambulance driver in the face.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Well, because this government is serious about looking after all
kiwis and whatever work. And I just want to address
your five hundred. When I became minister, we were two
hundred down. Do you know why? That's because you and
I just I just want to say before Mark, let me,
let me give a share out to our police officers, because.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Even with Mark, it's not telethoned, we're not we're not
giving him. Well, well, let me.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Let me I just I do feel, I do I
do feel. I do feel very strongly that I want
to defend your frontline police officers who.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
The police do a great job. But I think I
watched Chambers yesterday. To be fair, Mark, I watched Chambers yesterday.
I think we can conclude you're not going to get
to five hundred before the end of the year like
you promised.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, the five hundred with got to focus on standards
because in twenty eighteen the standards were dropped and discretion
was so and so we're in stating that. And at
the time I slipt committee. I challenged the government. I said,
you can't be doing this. So we're reversing that. I've
done that.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Okay, I've got sixty seconds left, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Just just really quickly though. No, Sorry, Jenny, Sorry, Jenny,
look sorry, Jenny. I want to acknowledge the police effect
that crimers crimes starting to come down, Jenny, This is
important to people. Crimes starting to come down, Victimized victimizations
are starting to come.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Right, let's do this an election quickly, quickly, I've got
sixty seconds. Did either of you ever meet Mitchunkovic and
did she do anything useful before she came? And she went.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Radio silence?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Who she's the MP who's resigned? Oh oh right, No,
I have.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Better And I think that she just felt like her
skills a bit of use in the private secret at
the moment. And I respect the fiction made that decision.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, yeah, sorry to use your first name. I would
have known that. I don't know. I think you know,
I know who's talking about. I think there's more to
that story. It's quite bizarre someone would resign so quickly
without anything more to that, So I think.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
A scandal at the end of the segment like that.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Going back to privacytor, they are conspiracy to this, My
great news.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
We opened down New Auckland came.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I show you what's John Key doing there? For goodness sake?
He said that they need a hug. They can come
and call me. What's that about.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, well he's the patron. So each wing has got
a patron. In fact, we should put you forward one
of these. I'd love to be a patron. Okay, noted,
because what the patrons do. Every police officer, remember, see
the patron was of the wing and they spend time
with you. For God's sake, you'd be a great patron.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Listens, you could if you give them Rickens on the
front line, how they could deal with tricky situation.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Exactly. I've got bipartisan support to become a patron. I
don't care who wins the election next to you now,
either way, I'm going to be a patron, aren't i?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Ginny, Yeah, Mike hoskings Wing and we'll go down in history.
I reckon.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
We're going to nice to see you. But you still
think there's something to the Unklevich story, do you, Jenny?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It just seems I don't know. I think there's a
bit more to it. You will even know, But.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Mark Mark Mitchell, Jinny Anderson for another week. For more
from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news Talks
it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast
on I Heard Radio.
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