Today on Politics Wednesday Mark Mitchell and Ginny Andersen delve into the proposal to scrap regional councils, replacing them with boards made up of local Mayors.
They also cover off Labour's seat selections, with MP Greg O’Connor missing out on the selection for a new seat, and former Labour MP Michael Wood's move to re-enter politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Startup for Politics Wednesday, and Jenny Anderson's with us along
(00:02):
with Mark Mitchell. Good morning to both of you. Good morning, Mike, morning, Jinny,
Good morning Jenny.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We could do a you could do it.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
You could do a remix out of context.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
That's actually but that's most of my show Most Mornings actually.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
As an album titled exactly.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Out of Context by Mike Hosking. Are you aware of
what we're going to start with this morning, Jinny?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I have been eluded?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yes, right, So I got the letter Monday morning from Wayne,
and Wayne writes to me. He goes, Hi, Mike, Wayne,
do you know Wayne?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
No, but I might find out.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Okay. Were you at the Wellington Business Excellence Awards last
Friday night? Yes, I was, good night had by all.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
It was excellent actually, like the caliber of those businesses
were amazing, some really interesting stuff going on.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I can talk for that for a while.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
But Ingle or will will Yarans are putting goats on
farms which eat the weeds and they make money for
the farmers, like real smart.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Goats on farms. I think they've been doing that for
a while. To be honest.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
We've got deals. Willys have got deals with foreign buyers
on or wall that's doing really well, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, let's let's just cut to it. I mean, I'm
used to asking the hard questions. Jinny, did you did
you or did you not reach over?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Here he goes, he's a fat finger mark if you
put yourself on.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
He's doing it to help me. Look at that. Mark's
done something good.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
No, no, no, someone someone someone tried to call me.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Was that? Was that?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It was laxo counting the numbers?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Obviously obviously someone that doesn't listen to the hosting show
that will be a.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Member of the labor part. Sorry, where did you or
did you not reach over the table while Chris Bushop
was away and swap your chicken for beef?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I did, and it was delicious and I enjoyed it
with a good red wine.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Does she sweat with bush You're a dinner.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
A bit more tight, it's a little bit more tired.
I will take responsibility because I'm good like that.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
On meal drop.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
He kind of swapped with someone if you don't want it,
And he'd been away for quite a long time. It
was getting cold. It was a good cut of meat,
looking like it might go waste. So and and then
by all accounts, he looked like he really enjoyed the chicken,
so like everyone was a winner.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I reckon, that's well, that's dodgy.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Other have to watch my food and coffee.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, the difficulty is that, unfortunately this is on me.
I had Bushop earlier on on the program, and of
course the question that needed to be asked, did you
enjoy the chicken? And I completely chick anyway, Good on you, Jenny,
Thank you for the thing, Thank you for owning up
to that. Now other matters, regional councils, briefly, very briefly,
because I don't think anyone really cares. Will you Ginny
(03:08):
live with that? Broadly speaking as an idea, as does
it strike you as problematic?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Well, there's trying to tackle the same problem that we
were doing, which is, at the end of the day,
you've got small areas with a rating base that won't
support the infrastructure that they need. So they're coming at
it from a different way, but it's essentially the same
approach to the same issue we have with three orders,
with all of those issues. So this is a longer route,
(03:34):
probably a bit less bumpy, but it has actually still
got some big issues. About how it's actually going to
work in practice, so we're interested to see how it goes.
I mean, but you know, we all agree that there
does need to be some work in reorganizing local government.
I think it's a little bit unfair to do it
immediately after a local government election. A lot of those
(03:56):
people who did go to the polls didn't realize that
when the wading for the mayor, they were going to
have more power than what they thought. And those regional
councilors who potentially won't even a job, so they probably
could have done that out of the sake of good
democracy and good processes to have that on the table
before people went to vote.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Would you defend that? Make Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I've been pushing for this because as Emergency Management Minister,
I've been to nineteen local states of emergency around the
country in the last two years and I've seen what
an extra layer of governance can create real problems, issues
and confusion, and we don't need that when you're dealing
with emergencies. And a good example is war where the
river mouth was mismanaged and as a result we had
(04:36):
a whole lot of houses that were flooded that probably
didn't need to be and we had to put a
crowd manager in there because the relationship between the district
council and the regional Council was under severe pressure.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And I'm not going to throw any one of the bus.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I've had a few examples like that around the country
in relation to another layer of governance.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
That I don't think we need. So I'm a big
supporter Jinny. What's happened to poor old greg O Connor?
How come he got squeezed? What happened there?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Oh, it's a selection process, so good candidates went up.
There are a few there and the selections taking place,
So I think he's taking stock of what he's going
to do next and decide whether he or Heilstein.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
On the list.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
What would you do? Would you take it personally? If
you got de selected from your seat.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's always a tough process going through a selection process.
Some of those internal ones can be some of the
toughest I've actually been through, to be honest. So yeah,
it's not an easy one because you've got to put
yourself out there and amongst you, you know your colleagues,
and then deal with the outcome and hold your head up.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
But he seems good he seems like he's doing bit.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Low key on him. Does no one like him? Is
he good guy?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
He's a good guy.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
He's a hard worker and he's been really good as
Deputy speaker.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
No one marks with Greg O'Connor. When he's in a chair,
you don't.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
You don't often seem at question time, but times in
the house he's he's really decisive. I think his police
skills come in quite well making a call and stuff.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
You know him well, I do know very well, and
I've got an enormous respect from me. He was the
president of the Association for a long time. He had
he's had a policing career should be very proud of,
and which involve the undercover program as well. It's a
complete mystery to me. While they had a guy like
Grego connor and the caucus, they put someone like Poto
Williams and his police minister. So I think the load
(06:20):
buddy completely under your loss.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
The Renny guy junny. I mean, I know this isn't
your problem, but I mean, why why are you need
another unionist? Goodness sake.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
He's also an economist. He's actually pretty smart.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
He's been really helpful in understanding things like holes and
National's budget, like going through line by line and understanding
where things are at. So he'll be a big guest
set to the team for looking at budget documents and
really understanding where people are hidden money and when you're
in opposition, I'm doing that now for a scrutiny week.
You've got a line by line look with a budget documents,
(06:53):
you don't you do because they have a mess of that.
They'll put things forward and say that adds up. It
is we know with Paul Goldsmith some things don't add
up and the public need.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
To know that is what would your advice Mark bea
to Michael would because I find this weird. He goes
away in some disgrace and then he decides to reheat
himself for another crack. Is politics one of those things
you can't shake well.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Some people just can't stay away from it. It's like
institutionalized in the areas. But my advice to him would
be that carl have got the outstanding MPDIA now and
Carlos Chung, Carlos is everywhere. He works really hard for
his electorate and he'll put his credentials forward again and
I'm becking him.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Am I correct? In saying Jinny that Michael would have
to get selection for his seat, his old seat. Is
that writer? Is that a done deal?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Now?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
That's that's in every case, and there's always a process
where everyone says who's in and you put your hand up,
and if there's more than one, then he's a contested selection.
And I think with Michaels there was no other candidate,
so he was the only.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So he's already been selected. There's no other candidate. Was
there no the candidate? Because Michael did a deal somewhere
with somebody, who goes if I stand or be no
the candidate? Is that how that works?
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Look, I'm not up on the ground in Mount Roskill
understanding the intricacies, but from what I understand, he was
the only candidate and he was selected as the labor
candidate for the Mount Roskill And now the job ahead
of him is to be everywhere more so than Carlos
and to win that seat in order to get I.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Do that, that's possible.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You reckon, you got, you got, you got roscill sign up?
Have you market? You're calling this one early?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
With Carlos, he is everywhere that guys, just I've been
really impressed with him as a local inpeak on the
emergency management side of his right across that.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So, yeah, I've been really impressible.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Okay, do you cook steak given your predilection towards beef, Jenny, Yeah,
I can tell. Do you cook it on a sandwich maker?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Pauline Hanson, you know the Pauling Hanson story. She cooked
it on a sandwich maker.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It's awful. She can't. It's terrible theory about this.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I have a theory about this.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
And actually, to be honest, when you when you think
about it's obviously that Sam has got space issues in
his apartment, right, so get rid.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Of the barbecue. You know how much space a barbecue takes.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Correct, put a toasty out there and you can see
me on the other his mates, and he can toast
it on the toasty.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's gonna say, rupe.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I can't sign it takes. I've got another theory on this, Okay.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
I reckon that if when you're really this is the
same for all of us, when you're really really hungry,
Like if I'm really really.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Hungry, I want to eat a Brussels sprout, right, if
I'm really hungry, If I'm not hungry.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
If I'm not hungry, I'm giving the Brussels spirit the
cold shit shoulder. So it all comes down to how
hungry you are.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
A great life role.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It is a great life rule. I thoroughly enjoyed this.
Nice to see you guys. We'll see you next week,
Mark Mitchell and Ginny Anderson.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
For more from The Mike Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
Startup for Politics Wednesday, and Jenny Anderson's with us along
(00:02):
with Mark Mitchell. Good morning to both of you. Good morning, Mike, morning, Jinny,
Good morning Jenny.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
We could do a you could do it.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
You could do a remix out of context.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
That's actually but that's most of my show Most Mornings actually.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
As an album titled exactly.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Out of Context by Mike Hosking. Are you aware of
what we're going to start with this morning, Jinny?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I have been eluded?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yes, right, So I got the letter Monday morning from Wayne,
and Wayne writes to me. He goes, Hi, Mike, Wayne,
do you know Wayne?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
No, but I might find out.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Okay. Were you at the Wellington Business Excellence Awards last
Friday night? Yes, I was, good night had by all.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
It was excellent actually, like the caliber of those businesses
were amazing, some really interesting stuff going on.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I can talk for that for a while.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
But Ingle or will will Yarans are putting goats on
farms which eat the weeds and they make money for
the farmers, like real smart.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Goats on farms. I think they've been doing that for
a while. To be honest.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
We've got deals. Willys have got deals with foreign buyers
on or wall that's doing really well, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, let's let's just cut to it. I mean, I'm
used to asking the hard questions. Jinny, did you did
you or did you not reach over?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Here he goes, he's a fat finger mark if you
put yourself on.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
He's doing it to help me. Look at that. Mark's
done something good.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
No, no, no, someone someone someone tried to call me.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Was that? Was that?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It was laxo counting the numbers?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Obviously obviously someone that doesn't listen to the hosting show
that will be a.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Member of the labor part. Sorry, where did you or
did you not reach over the table while Chris Bushop
was away and swap your chicken for beef?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I did, and it was delicious and I enjoyed it
with a good red wine.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Does she sweat with bush You're a dinner.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
A bit more tight, it's a little bit more tired.
I will take responsibility because I'm good like that.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
On meal drop.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
He kind of swapped with someone if you don't want it,
And he'd been away for quite a long time. It
was getting cold. It was a good cut of meat,
looking like it might go waste. So and and then
by all accounts, he looked like he really enjoyed the chicken,
so like everyone was a winner.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I reckon, that's well, that's dodgy.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Other have to watch my food and coffee.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, the difficulty is that, unfortunately this is on me.
I had Bushop earlier on on the program, and of
course the question that needed to be asked, did you
enjoy the chicken? And I completely chick anyway, Good on you, Jenny,
Thank you for the thing, Thank you for owning up
to that. Now other matters, regional councils, briefly, very briefly,
because I don't think anyone really cares. Will you Ginny
(03:08):
live with that? Broadly speaking as an idea, as does
it strike you as problematic?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Well, there's trying to tackle the same problem that we
were doing, which is, at the end of the day,
you've got small areas with a rating base that won't
support the infrastructure that they need. So they're coming at
it from a different way, but it's essentially the same
approach to the same issue we have with three orders,
with all of those issues. So this is a longer route,
(03:34):
probably a bit less bumpy, but it has actually still
got some big issues. About how it's actually going to
work in practice, so we're interested to see how it goes.
I mean, but you know, we all agree that there
does need to be some work in reorganizing local government.
I think it's a little bit unfair to do it
immediately after a local government election. A lot of those
(03:56):
people who did go to the polls didn't realize that
when the wading for the mayor, they were going to
have more power than what they thought. And those regional
councilors who potentially won't even a job, so they probably
could have done that out of the sake of good
democracy and good processes to have that on the table
before people went to vote.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Would you defend that? Make Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I've been pushing for this because as Emergency Management Minister,
I've been to nineteen local states of emergency around the
country in the last two years and I've seen what
an extra layer of governance can create real problems, issues
and confusion, and we don't need that when you're dealing
with emergencies. And a good example is war where the
river mouth was mismanaged and as a result we had
(04:36):
a whole lot of houses that were flooded that probably
didn't need to be and we had to put a
crowd manager in there because the relationship between the district
council and the regional Council was under severe pressure.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
And I'm not going to throw any one of the bus.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I've had a few examples like that around the country
in relation to another layer of governance.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
That I don't think we need. So I'm a big
supporter Jinny. What's happened to poor old greg O Connor?
How come he got squeezed? What happened there?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Oh, it's a selection process, so good candidates went up.
There are a few there and the selections taking place,
So I think he's taking stock of what he's going
to do next and decide whether he or Heilstein.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
On the list.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
What would you do? Would you take it personally? If
you got de selected from your seat.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's always a tough process going through a selection process.
Some of those internal ones can be some of the
toughest I've actually been through, to be honest. So yeah,
it's not an easy one because you've got to put
yourself out there and amongst you, you know your colleagues,
and then deal with the outcome and hold your head up.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
But he seems good he seems like he's doing bit.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Low key on him. Does no one like him? Is
he good guy?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
He's a good guy.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
He's a hard worker and he's been really good as
Deputy speaker.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
No one marks with Greg O'Connor. When he's in a chair,
you don't.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
You don't often seem at question time, but times in
the house he's he's really decisive. I think his police
skills come in quite well making a call and stuff.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
You know him well, I do know very well, and
I've got an enormous respect from me. He was the
president of the Association for a long time. He had
he's had a policing career should be very proud of,
and which involve the undercover program as well. It's a
complete mystery to me. While they had a guy like
Grego connor and the caucus, they put someone like Poto
Williams and his police minister. So I think the load
(06:20):
buddy completely under your loss.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
The Renny guy junny. I mean, I know this isn't
your problem, but I mean, why why are you need
another unionist? Goodness sake.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
He's also an economist. He's actually pretty smart.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
He's been really helpful in understanding things like holes and
National's budget, like going through line by line and understanding
where things are at. So he'll be a big guest
set to the team for looking at budget documents and
really understanding where people are hidden money and when you're
in opposition, I'm doing that now for a scrutiny week.
You've got a line by line look with a budget documents,
(06:53):
you don't you do because they have a mess of that.
They'll put things forward and say that adds up. It
is we know with Paul Goldsmith some things don't add
up and the public need.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
To know that is what would your advice Mark bea
to Michael would because I find this weird. He goes
away in some disgrace and then he decides to reheat
himself for another crack. Is politics one of those things
you can't shake well.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Some people just can't stay away from it. It's like
institutionalized in the areas. But my advice to him would
be that carl have got the outstanding MPDIA now and
Carlos Chung, Carlos is everywhere. He works really hard for
his electorate and he'll put his credentials forward again and
I'm becking him.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Am I correct? In saying Jinny that Michael would have
to get selection for his seat, his old seat. Is
that writer? Is that a done deal?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Now?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
That's that's in every case, and there's always a process
where everyone says who's in and you put your hand up,
and if there's more than one, then he's a contested selection.
And I think with Michaels there was no other candidate,
so he was the only.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So he's already been selected. There's no other candidate. Was
there no the candidate? Because Michael did a deal somewhere
with somebody, who goes if I stand or be no
the candidate? Is that how that works?
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Look, I'm not up on the ground in Mount Roskill
understanding the intricacies, but from what I understand, he was
the only candidate and he was selected as the labor
candidate for the Mount Roskill And now the job ahead
of him is to be everywhere more so than Carlos
and to win that seat in order to get I.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Do that, that's possible.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You reckon, you got, you got, you got roscill sign up?
Have you market? You're calling this one early?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
With Carlos, he is everywhere that guys, just I've been
really impressed with him as a local inpeak on the
emergency management side of his right across that.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
So, yeah, I've been really impressible.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Okay, do you cook steak given your predilection towards beef, Jenny, Yeah,
I can tell. Do you cook it on a sandwich maker?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Pauline Hanson, you know the Pauling Hanson story. She cooked
it on a sandwich maker.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It's awful. She can't. It's terrible theory about this.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I have a theory about this.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
And actually, to be honest, when you when you think
about it's obviously that Sam has got space issues in
his apartment, right, so get rid.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Of the barbecue. You know how much space a barbecue takes.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Correct, put a toasty out there and you can see
me on the other his mates, and he can toast
it on the toasty.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's gonna say, rupe.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I can't sign it takes. I've got another theory on this, Okay.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
I reckon that if when you're really this is the
same for all of us, when you're really really hungry,
Like if I'm really really.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Hungry, I want to eat a Brussels sprout, right, if
I'm really hungry, If I'm not hungry.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
If I'm not hungry, I'm giving the Brussels spirit the
cold shit shoulder. So it all comes down to how
hungry you are.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
A great life role.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
It is a great life rule. I thoroughly enjoyed this.
Nice to see you guys. We'll see you next week,
Mark Mitchell and Ginny Anderson.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
For more from The Mike Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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