With a wide range of announcements and figures coming out over the last week, Labour’s Ginny Andersen and National’s Mark Mitchell joined Mike Hosking for Politics Wednesday.
They discussed Brooke van Velden’s consultations on children collecting eggs, clamping the cars of court fine dodgers, and scrapping surcharges.
Plus, they delved into the changes around voting – is axing same-day voting the right choice?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson with this
morning to both of you.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Good morning, Mike, what did you?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Good morning Mike, Good morning Mark, Now.
Speaker 4 (00:08):
Paul Basha and Mark.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes, I did have a tear by.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I mean, for goodness sake, the guy that you know,
cops are famous for being basically in articulate, and this
guy comes on. I thought he was going to break
into a karaoke song or something. Where'd you get him from?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Well, he's he's the.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Guy that headed up the gang legislation to make sure
that it was implemented properly, that the police were aware of
what they could and couldn't do, and it was a
smooth scene, was sort of rollout. So he's very aware
of the outstanding work that our police officers are doing
in the gang space and hammering the gangs, and so
it was easy for him to sort of obviously come
on on your show and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, but it's one thing to think something, but it's
another thing to articulate it. And I've just never heard
of cop that's that eloquence. So congratulations on wherever you
found him or did you find him?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Geny? Is he one of your selections.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Think he was Mark Fromon. I think he was district
commander in down South, is that right?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah? He was, he was down there.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, I met him when he was down South. Yes,
So he was just a commander of Southland and did
really good work on the resilience to organize crime. So
I went down there when I was minister and they
gave us a good look around that project. And yeah,
he's a he's a good guy.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Good now, Jenny very tempted to sing the praises the
work they were outstanding police officers doing, Mike, but I
know that I'll run run the time down.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
He did it for you, Jenny.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You your question line yesterday to Chris Bushop, Did you
feel better about that?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I took your advice hopefully? Did you think it worked
a bit better?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
No, there's no there's no If you did, thank you,
but there's no question it worked better yesterday. You worked
him harder. He was working hard and he was working
harder than he was the week before.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
That's fair, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah? I think so, I think it did go better.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, who comes up with the Labor Party this question line?
Does the Prime Minister agree with Brian Smith, who says
the country. So if not, why not who comes up
with that?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Or just a range of people comes up with different
ways of putting things. And I think the trick is
as that's really hard to get a monasteretic of a
straight answer. So when you sort of get frustrated with that,
you just put them other people to used ministers to
see their reaction to you know, average keywis are not
happy with something, so you put that to them.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
No, see what you did yesterday was short and it
was sharp and pinned them And so that I thought
worked well for you, not that you know, Chris Wall
think you know my advice, both of you.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
So yeah, think you might think you're have to come back.
You have to use you as my consultant now as well?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Have you as a man of the world.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Mark running to Brook lately who seems to have never
been to a farm in her life and.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Eggs and scared of eggs? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
There?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Was someone that has always said that, you know, one
of the jobs I enjoyed most was I went farming
where I left school as a shepherd, and I just
always found that our farmers, rural people are so practical.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
They're still packed full of that.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Kiwi Cobbins sense a numberak wide mentality.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Brook Brook looked. Brooklock looked awfully urban. Yesterday when she
was busy having no idea about egg collecting and stuff
like that.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Is are you guy? Do you talk about that in cabinet?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I know you can't talk about what comes in cabinet,
But apart from that, is that the sort.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Of idea that comes up in cabinet?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
And Brook goes, I tell you, what have you seen
that the egg situation?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I'm going to do something.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
No picking up didn't come out keep it.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
But look, I just want to say that, Look I'm
not that's her portfolio, that's who. I just wanted to
say that she is doing some outstanding work, and she's
doing she's tackling difficult issues that the previous government we're
afraid of.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So she's actually doing some really good work.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
To be fair, Jinny, you never tackled the eggs, did you?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I did. I'd be worried. She's got that lovely pink
coat on. I'd be afraid that she's worried in that.
I can't. I don't. I can't visualize book on a farm.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Okay, can I gave the numbers out Ginny earlier on
about the clamping over the weekend and the court find stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
It works.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So when you see something like that at work, they
pulled up a bunch of people. Most of them paid
on the spot, one didn't. They got their front that
car clamped and the rest have got payment plans. You
keep that, don't you. That's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It seems like it's working well as long as it's
not taking away from frontline jods. That's my only concern.
If they can do it without costing police extra resource
to enforce them, and if it's getting fined back, then
it seems to be working well.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Okay a little bit playwave surcharges are going to support that, Well.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
It depends on benefits from that. It's a good idea
in general, but it's a bit of a concern. A
lot of small business is my way, are worried that
it will just end up costing them more and then
they'll pass it on to consumers. So yeah, what a
good idea in general.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Why didn't you claim down on the banks mark?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, the banks?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Well, this I mean, at the end of the day,
this is this is clemping down the banks in terms
of it's sitting well Visa a master card. They both regulated.
That's where we're starting, and I think it's extremely positive.
It's going to provide complete transparency for consumers that the
chick out.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So yeah, so I.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Got to say labor to I got to say you
you would know this mark from the Rodney district. You
go to the country, most places don't have payway, never
have Yes, you mean in rural Yeah, and rural areas
they just you've got to stick out on the machine.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Well it's some do, but yes, it's not urban definitely,
without a doubt, you've far more likely to have access
to pay.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
With exactly Mark the voting changes, of which there appears
to be an element of angst about, you know, disenfranchising
people and all that sort of stuff. I'm not as
interested in that as I am in an inability to
actually provide the service. So in other words, why can't
we turn up on the day and register because they
can't cope?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Why can't we cope? What's the matter with us?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Well, I mean that's that is an operational question for
the Electoral Commission. But fundamentally, I think that the approach
that we've taken is quite simply that if you are
serious about voting, if you take your vote seriously, then
it's all it requires a little bit of effort to
get yourself organized and get yourself out there registered before
voting day, because on RIT day it's if you have
a whole surge of people coming in. To think about it,
(06:26):
in any business, they're going to be overwhelmed. So unless
we have a huge cost and trying to meet that,
then it's to then delays the results on the election,
and we've.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Got Keiwi sitting around waiting for a government to before.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I follow the logic, Genny. I mean, I know you're something,
You're making some noise about it and stuff, but I mean, honestly,
you've got three years. You know you've got three years.
I mean, if you can't get yourself organized, do you,
I mean, you probably don't deserve to vote, don't you
mean how hard is it?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Well, it's not just the enrolling and voting on the day,
it's the whole period of early voting. So I sort
of went an extra step further. So if someone turns
at in that period, if they've shifted house anywhere around
that time, it's largely going to mean they won't vote,
so you know, we reckon. It's about one hundred thousand
just on election day last time, but there will be
(07:13):
a huge greater number over that two week period where
for age or for moving or range of other reasons
I have to take they're not on. They're not. So
what I think happens is that if you've moved house
in the last few days and you turn up and
huts south to vote, but you're actually registered out in
Cumpody or Manna, you'll be able to get your party vote.
(07:35):
You can do that, but you won't be able to
vote for your local.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
It's something as simple as called personal responsibility, and the
state cannot organized if all.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Of your personal affairs. So get organized.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
If you value the vote, and we should value the
vote because this country has has bled a lot of
blood to have that vote, then get yourself organized, get
yourself registered, make the system run small and faster, allow
the results.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
To be delivered. For Kiwi's earlier would you find agree
with that?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I agree with that. I agree with that, But that
when you're relying on New Zealand post and the postal system,
which is absolutely you know, antiquated, it doesn't work properly.
There are real issues with people getting their papers on
time and getting them to the right house. I mean,
I think that there's a certain obligation for the government
to make it easy as possible for people to participate
(08:27):
in democracy and to be able, but it does I'd
like to punish please, but it does seem like this
government is making it harder for people.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
To vote for the reason we're a bit hope, and
that's sadly the truth.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
And I think Jilly's statement there about it's the government's
job to make life.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
For everyone is enable people to vote.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
No, that's that's what you said. And I think that
my view on this, it's my own personal view, is
that when you start turning over responsibility to the government
for everything in your life.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
No, I did not say that, society don't put words
on now.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
And you're on a race to mediocrity, So you know,
I don't agree with that at all, and I think that, well,
it puzzles me why there's such a debater ay on this.
If you want to use your right to vote, which
is a powerful thing everyone should be engaged in that,
do a little bit off it.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Organize your life. You're organized and value it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
When Judith Colin sounds the alarm you know something wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well yeah, but now hold on Jenny to be fair,
and we had her on on this. She did it
because of the She was being a lawyer about it,
because of the precedent that's been said. She was giving
a legal opinion on the law as opposed to being
a national party MP.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Would you flip it though? Would you flip it?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I'm not going to make decisions like that, But in
the past we have always made it trying to facilitate
increased participation in democracy. We always support that and we've
stood strong. So yes, we made and last time in
voting not only in the early voting phase but also
on election day to make sure everyone who wants to
can vote, not setting up obstacles to.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Prove, which to me is exactly what I'm talking about, Mike,
because what keeps happening in the government keeps making concession
up to concession, what ends up happening Ginny Ensen takes
the ballot papers around the people's houses, goes and there's
a cup of tea with them and gets them to vote.
I mean, that's where that's where you're going. Let's put
a line on the sad and say, if you genuinely
care about your country and you want to use your
vote because governance is important, put a little bit of
(10:24):
effort into it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Get yourself enrolled.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, it's nice to see you both, Mark McGill, Ginny Anderson.
Back next Wednesday for.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
More from The Mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Time for politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson with this
morning to both of you.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Good morning, Mike, what did you?
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Good morning Mike, Good morning Mark, Now.
Speaker 4 (00:08):
Paul Basha and Mark.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes, I did have a tear by.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I mean, for goodness sake, the guy that you know,
cops are famous for being basically in articulate, and this
guy comes on. I thought he was going to break
into a karaoke song or something. Where'd you get him from?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Well, he's he's the.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Guy that headed up the gang legislation to make sure
that it was implemented properly, that the police were aware of
what they could and couldn't do, and it was a
smooth scene, was sort of rollout. So he's very aware
of the outstanding work that our police officers are doing
in the gang space and hammering the gangs, and so
it was easy for him to sort of obviously come
on on your show and talk about it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, but it's one thing to think something, but it's
another thing to articulate it. And I've just never heard
of cop that's that eloquence. So congratulations on wherever you
found him or did you find him?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Geny? Is he one of your selections.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Think he was Mark Fromon. I think he was district
commander in down South, is that right?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah? He was, he was down there.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, I met him when he was down South. Yes,
So he was just a commander of Southland and did
really good work on the resilience to organize crime. So
I went down there when I was minister and they
gave us a good look around that project. And yeah,
he's a he's a good guy.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Good now, Jenny very tempted to sing the praises the
work they were outstanding police officers doing, Mike, but I
know that I'll run run the time down.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
He did it for you, Jenny.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
You your question line yesterday to Chris Bushop, Did you
feel better about that?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I took your advice hopefully? Did you think it worked
a bit better?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
No, there's no there's no If you did, thank you,
but there's no question it worked better yesterday. You worked
him harder. He was working hard and he was working
harder than he was the week before.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
That's fair, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah? I think so, I think it did go better.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, who comes up with the Labor Party this question line?
Does the Prime Minister agree with Brian Smith, who says
the country. So if not, why not who comes up
with that?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Or just a range of people comes up with different
ways of putting things. And I think the trick is
as that's really hard to get a monasteretic of a
straight answer. So when you sort of get frustrated with that,
you just put them other people to used ministers to
see their reaction to you know, average keywis are not
happy with something, so you put that to them.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
No, see what you did yesterday was short and it
was sharp and pinned them And so that I thought
worked well for you, not that you know, Chris Wall
think you know my advice, both of you.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
So yeah, think you might think you're have to come back.
You have to use you as my consultant now as well?
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Have you as a man of the world.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Mark running to Brook lately who seems to have never
been to a farm in her life and.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Eggs and scared of eggs? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
There?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Was someone that has always said that, you know, one
of the jobs I enjoyed most was I went farming
where I left school as a shepherd, and I just
always found that our farmers, rural people are so practical.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
They're still packed full of that.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Kiwi Cobbins sense a numberak wide mentality.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Brook Brook looked. Brooklock looked awfully urban. Yesterday when she
was busy having no idea about egg collecting and stuff
like that.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Is are you guy? Do you talk about that in cabinet?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
I know you can't talk about what comes in cabinet,
But apart from that, is that the sort.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Of idea that comes up in cabinet?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
And Brook goes, I tell you, what have you seen
that the egg situation?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I'm going to do something.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
No picking up didn't come out keep it.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
But look, I just want to say that, Look I'm
not that's her portfolio, that's who. I just wanted to
say that she is doing some outstanding work, and she's
doing she's tackling difficult issues that the previous government we're
afraid of.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So she's actually doing some really good work.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
To be fair, Jinny, you never tackled the eggs, did you?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I did. I'd be worried. She's got that lovely pink
coat on. I'd be afraid that she's worried in that.
I can't. I don't. I can't visualize book on a farm.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Okay, can I gave the numbers out Ginny earlier on
about the clamping over the weekend and the court find stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
It works.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So when you see something like that at work, they
pulled up a bunch of people. Most of them paid
on the spot, one didn't. They got their front that
car clamped and the rest have got payment plans. You
keep that, don't you. That's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It seems like it's working well as long as it's
not taking away from frontline jods. That's my only concern.
If they can do it without costing police extra resource
to enforce them, and if it's getting fined back, then
it seems to be working well.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Okay a little bit playwave surcharges are going to support that, Well.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
It depends on benefits from that. It's a good idea
in general, but it's a bit of a concern. A
lot of small business is my way, are worried that
it will just end up costing them more and then
they'll pass it on to consumers. So yeah, what a
good idea in general.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Why didn't you claim down on the banks mark?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, the banks?
Speaker 5 (05:02):
Well, this I mean, at the end of the day,
this is this is clemping down the banks in terms
of it's sitting well Visa a master card. They both regulated.
That's where we're starting, and I think it's extremely positive.
It's going to provide complete transparency for consumers that the
chick out.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So yeah, so I.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Got to say labor to I got to say you
you would know this mark from the Rodney district. You
go to the country, most places don't have payway, never
have Yes, you mean in rural Yeah, and rural areas
they just you've got to stick out on the machine.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Well it's some do, but yes, it's not urban definitely,
without a doubt, you've far more likely to have access
to pay.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
With exactly Mark the voting changes, of which there appears
to be an element of angst about, you know, disenfranchising
people and all that sort of stuff. I'm not as
interested in that as I am in an inability to
actually provide the service. So in other words, why can't
we turn up on the day and register because they
can't cope?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Why can't we cope? What's the matter with us?
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Well, I mean that's that is an operational question for
the Electoral Commission. But fundamentally, I think that the approach
that we've taken is quite simply that if you are
serious about voting, if you take your vote seriously, then
it's all it requires a little bit of effort to
get yourself organized and get yourself out there registered before
voting day, because on RIT day it's if you have
a whole surge of people coming in. To think about it,
(06:26):
in any business, they're going to be overwhelmed. So unless
we have a huge cost and trying to meet that,
then it's to then delays the results on the election,
and we've.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Got Keiwi sitting around waiting for a government to before.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I follow the logic, Genny. I mean, I know you're something,
You're making some noise about it and stuff, but I mean, honestly,
you've got three years. You know you've got three years.
I mean, if you can't get yourself organized, do you,
I mean, you probably don't deserve to vote, don't you
mean how hard is it?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Well, it's not just the enrolling and voting on the day,
it's the whole period of early voting. So I sort
of went an extra step further. So if someone turns
at in that period, if they've shifted house anywhere around
that time, it's largely going to mean they won't vote,
so you know, we reckon. It's about one hundred thousand
just on election day last time, but there will be
(07:13):
a huge greater number over that two week period where
for age or for moving or range of other reasons
I have to take they're not on. They're not. So
what I think happens is that if you've moved house
in the last few days and you turn up and
huts south to vote, but you're actually registered out in
Cumpody or Manna, you'll be able to get your party vote.
(07:35):
You can do that, but you won't be able to
vote for your local.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
It's something as simple as called personal responsibility, and the
state cannot organized if all.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Of your personal affairs. So get organized.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
If you value the vote, and we should value the
vote because this country has has bled a lot of
blood to have that vote, then get yourself organized, get
yourself registered, make the system run small and faster, allow
the results.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
To be delivered. For Kiwi's earlier would you find agree
with that?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I agree with that. I agree with that, But that
when you're relying on New Zealand post and the postal system,
which is absolutely you know, antiquated, it doesn't work properly.
There are real issues with people getting their papers on
time and getting them to the right house. I mean,
I think that there's a certain obligation for the government
to make it easy as possible for people to participate
(08:27):
in democracy and to be able, but it does I'd
like to punish please, but it does seem like this
government is making it harder for people.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
To vote for the reason we're a bit hope, and
that's sadly the truth.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
And I think Jilly's statement there about it's the government's
job to make life.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
For everyone is enable people to vote.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
No, that's that's what you said. And I think that
my view on this, it's my own personal view, is
that when you start turning over responsibility to the government
for everything in your life.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
No, I did not say that, society don't put words
on now.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
And you're on a race to mediocrity, So you know,
I don't agree with that at all, and I think that, well,
it puzzles me why there's such a debater ay on this.
If you want to use your right to vote, which
is a powerful thing everyone should be engaged in that,
do a little bit off it.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Organize your life. You're organized and value it.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
When Judith Colin sounds the alarm you know something wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well yeah, but now hold on Jenny to be fair,
and we had her on on this. She did it
because of the She was being a lawyer about it,
because of the precedent that's been said. She was giving
a legal opinion on the law as opposed to being
a national party MP.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Would you flip it though? Would you flip it?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I'm not going to make decisions like that, But in
the past we have always made it trying to facilitate
increased participation in democracy. We always support that and we've
stood strong. So yes, we made and last time in
voting not only in the early voting phase but also
on election day to make sure everyone who wants to
can vote, not setting up obstacles to.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Prove, which to me is exactly what I'm talking about, Mike,
because what keeps happening in the government keeps making concession
up to concession, what ends up happening Ginny Ensen takes
the ballot papers around the people's houses, goes and there's
a cup of tea with them and gets them to vote.
I mean, that's where that's where you're going. Let's put
a line on the sad and say, if you genuinely
care about your country and you want to use your
vote because governance is important, put a little bit of
(10:24):
effort into it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Get yourself enrolled.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yeah, it's nice to see you both, Mark McGill, Ginny Anderson.
Back next Wednesday for.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
More from The Mic Asking Breakfast.
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