Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson joined Mike Hosking once again to Wrap the Week that was.
On today’s agenda was the gender pay gap, the Tom Phillips situation, and Kate finally got her chance to call out Mike’s behaviour from the week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tim Wilson's with us along with Kayhawk's been good morning
to use to good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Please start by just re clintic. Here's the thing. I
was just cementing this with man, It's so unfair. The
only person who has an outlet to re butt your
pile of BS stories you tell about us is Glenn
because he's a microphone. I said to Sam, Sam needs
to be miked up permanently. I need to be miked
up all week to be able so that we can
(00:26):
come back and rebt before friends start texting me and
responding to your stories, which are there's a there's an
element of truth to them, but a lot of it
has just been to your audience and they lap it
up and they start texting you, and I'm like, good one,
were the butt of some more jokes than aren't even real.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Who's your friend waiting out them?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's so unfair.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Who's your friends?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
So don't you guys, don't you guys even have a
son in London?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Is this? How far this goes?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I mean, I just you know, the seventeen years is
not a pain in the art. She's a delight. In fact,
she would be the crims la creme of the children
to be careful, so she's awesome. Second, we did not
throw out the ambrosia apples because I do not waste
food policy in my house, so we did not throw
those out.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So they're just sitting there rotting?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Are they badly? I did not ask for I never.
I did not ask for receipts on the avocados. I
just said, who spends four dollars on an avocado? You're insane.
That's way too much money and way too many avocados
times four. Because I did not ask the receipt.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Come to my rescue tim because I didn't want to
let her down.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's momentum. So here I didn't understand his logic. He goes,
I didn't know if they'd be good or bad because
he doesn't need avocados, so he's out of the steps.
He goes, I didn't have so I got four. I said, yeah,
but you got all four the same. It's not like
you've got a brown one and he got four green
and like avocados, they've all ripened on the same day.
(01:57):
And now I've got for avocados because no one else.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Do you feel my pain?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, you know what I feel. Everyone's pain at the moment.
I just look, he probably tried, tried to do a
nice thing, Kate. He's just a bit of a dunderhead.
He miss her stuff up.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I I've been on well this week, so so I
did send him up micl which is where.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He never goes.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
He hasn't been in years. And he so sorry. I'm
so sorry to send you in Mirket. He was like,
and he came back. I loved it. It was son
a good time and I chatted friends working to check
out and I bought the sandwich and I bought this anyway,
he free started and he came home, was like, blackberries.
I don't even know what you want to wait.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh no, you got to have a shopping list.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I had. I had a shopping list, but then I
had here's my problem. I panicked on I panicked at
the end because I got a text from Hyperdrive. Hyper
Drive were coming around to fix the puncture, right, and.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So wait, wait, you're you're you're you're shifting the blame
to Hyperdrive because.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's entirely the fault because they said they were coming
around at three forty five, and then fifteen minutes before
they were leaving, they were going to text me, and
then on the text they were going to you can
track the driver. And then I'm in the supermarket and
I'm thinking, right, I'm out of the sauna and I've
had my cold shower. I've got forty five minutes to
get to the supermarket to get the ambrosias, to get
the avocados, and I'll be home in good time for
(03:19):
Hyperdrive to turn up for my puncture. Anyway, I'm halfway
through the shopping list. Bet beat Hyperdrive drivers on the row.
He's five ks. Wait, wait, you're an hour early. And
there's no reply. There's no like, you're an hour early.
You can't do it. They're just going to track the driver.
So I panic and rush home with some of the
stuff that maybe I shouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Had about here's talking about to drive term and I'm
glad you raise that because that's that's that's another good story.
And if anyone follows Tom Sainsbury's boomer dad on Instagram,
this is my hyperd So I get puncture in my
in my par and Mike says, I'll get some people
around to fix that. I know there's some people who
advertise on Z I've heard their jingle and I can
(03:59):
hear them in the study on the phone and he's like,
I'm hello, could I please book a watch your name?
And he's like Michael, and she's like, watch your email
where you send quote? And he's like, my email. I
think it's oh my email, Mike at no, Mike, no,
my phone, Mike, stop talking up? What's my email? And
(04:20):
I'm like, oh my god, I'm praying the person on
the other end of the phone is not a millennial.
And then she's she sings in the thing, and he goes,
don't leave me, stay on the phone, stay on the phone.
We'll do it now, because they don't want to happen
to wring you back to let you do the whole thing.
And then she's obviously saying, well, you're going to have
to pay the quote before we come around. So Mike's like, okay,
how do I do that? So if I just press
pay critic card? Oh so I need my critics right
(04:40):
to the phone.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
But okay, this is why can we not? Can we
not throw Hyperdrive under the bus? Because they were clearly
dealing with someone who diminished capacity. That's why they came
early so they could help them to the car, put
them in a nice seat. They didn't watch what was happening.
Make sure there was no discomfort. Maybe make him a
nice lukewarm cup of ca a mild tea, and just
(05:01):
everything would be hunky doors.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Listening to that story, even I sound pathetic, kid, it's
all good. Hyperdrive can get you a new boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Hyperdrive just had a segment. So it was and hyper
Drive when stayed to do an excellent job that I
had a screw in my tire. So they did a
really good job.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, they did a very good job. A lot of
advice dealing.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
With you, dealing with the elderly, they did a good job.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
There's a lot of advice around the avocados that you
put them in a jug of water and you put
them in the fridge and they'll they'll keep it for ages.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh I don't know that. That's great advice.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, text, thanks very much.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
That.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Do you have a pay gap ginder pay gap at
your corporate Tom, No, we don't. How do you know that?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Because because we.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Is there unconscious bar placed him.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Now the whole unconscious bias thing, that's another rabbit hole.
But we evaluate, we evaluate people on the basis of
the role and it's how.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, you see, but that's the sensible way to do it,
and unfortunately some of the people who argue for.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It, and also the skills that they bring to it
and whether they're.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
The job and so I get all that, but the
problem is that there's a gap apparently that needs closing,
and they seem to talk around in circles about how
to close the gap and what we do and how
we don't do, and I've never understood how to close
the gap. Hence the gap hasn't been closed. Whereas if
you just judge people on whether they're any good or not,
and you pay them for what they do and the
skills they bring, the experience they bring, and all that
sort of stuff, that tends to solve its own problem,
(06:30):
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think it's good. I think it's good to have
outside reflection on on remuneration. So we've got We've got
an HR person that we bring in from time to time.
She works in the charitable sector. She knows what the
going rates are, she knows what's what's.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, fair enough to Katie, do you want to take
a victory lap on Tom Phillips.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, I don't really want to take a victory lap
on it, but I just I just feel it's actually
it's really sad the whole thing, and I just I'm
what you're referring to is at the time, I said,
this is crazy and they need to find them really quickly.
And I got piled on by everybody saying, you have
frot urban you don't understand rearal life, and you know
it's just a dad taking his kids version there's nothing
(07:15):
wrong with that, and you wouldn't have a clue you
live in the city. And it was just I took
so much heat for coming out.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Okay, okay, okay, it's just aggravated homeschooling, don't what's the problem?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I just and now I'm just like, wow, I just
had a feeling in my gut at the time there
was no good can come of this. It wasn't good.
It isn't good, and it's just deeply tragic. I think
the whole thing, they always he knows something's up, because
they don't just suddenly turn up swarming the place for
no reason.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
So so how was it? Did you ever get to
the bottom of how you explained the defense that people
because you did get piled on by a lot of people.
How what's the mindset that.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
The colleagues at works audience.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Let's name them. Let's name some of those colleagues. Who
were those people not going to name in shape? Were
they in management?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No, it was much.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Were they the lower downs?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, the lower downs? They were fellow hosts.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Here we go, just part of the vocabulary.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
They're the lower downs with lower downs. Just it just
I don't know people. I mean, I think people think
that quintessentially ki we thing is that you know, you
can go bush and that you can it's it's fine.
But there was nothing fine about it. He did about
the mum's permission without you know, there was everything about
it was dodgy. I thought at the time, I thought
it was indefensible. But a lot of people mounted a
defense for him, and I just didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
The kids, the kids aren't even in school. That's just
straight up and down illegal. It's a llegal not to
send your kids to school, full stop.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And with the character issue here too, I mean, this
guy's up on charges of aggravated what was the aggravated robbery,
aggravated wound.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Was last night saying oh, we don't think it was him.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Well, the cops do think it was made the charge.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
That sort of how the system works, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Hey, do you do you mind me going on holiday
with Linda?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Who's Linda?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Wouldn't you like you lost the bed?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
You lost the bed?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Sorry Tom? You and I listen for the non listeners.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
By the old bait and sweat.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Here we go, Linda's wife.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yes, so Glenn lost a bit this morning.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
He said that you lost the bed.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I would play an excellent holiday. I'll give you that.
You would have a good time with Linda.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You reckon?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
That?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Is that what they called a good time? Linda?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah? Where they came, she would be a good time Linda.
I mean she was gleaned.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
But I'm pretty sure how many drinks have you guys
had this morning?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
This is getting into a dangerous area?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Is if it ad already hadn't got into a dangerous area?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
It down?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'm overtly sexual, don't.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's not long enough for all all that, all the
pain I've got to read back? Can you please not
say like that on her as well? It's just beyond And.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
You dick me on Friday. I'm coming to get you Monday.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Okay, you know what, Kate, I'm getting the cold tar soap.
I'll be down as it'd be a twenty minutes shot
me there.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I've got a tidy Mie, I've got to tidy myself
up and can you get me out a peer of nutcrackers, Katie,
and I'll pack when I get home. Oh goodness, Tim Wilson,
Kate hawks me for another week. For more from the
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Tim Wilson's with us along with Kayhawk's been good morning
to use to good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Please start by just re clintic. Here's the thing. I
was just cementing this with man, It's so unfair. The
only person who has an outlet to re butt your
pile of BS stories you tell about us is Glenn
because he's a microphone. I said to Sam, Sam needs
to be miked up permanently. I need to be miked
up all week to be able so that we can
(00:26):
come back and rebt before friends start texting me and
responding to your stories, which are there's a there's an
element of truth to them, but a lot of it
has just been to your audience and they lap it
up and they start texting you, and I'm like, good one,
were the butt of some more jokes than aren't even real.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Who's your friend waiting out them?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's so unfair.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Who's your friends?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
So don't you guys, don't you guys even have a
son in London?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Is this? How far this goes?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I mean, I just you know, the seventeen years is
not a pain in the art. She's a delight. In fact,
she would be the crims la creme of the children
to be careful, so she's awesome. Second, we did not
throw out the ambrosia apples because I do not waste
food policy in my house, so we did not throw
those out.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So they're just sitting there rotting?
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Are they badly? I did not ask for I never.
I did not ask for receipts on the avocados. I
just said, who spends four dollars on an avocado? You're insane.
That's way too much money and way too many avocados
times four. Because I did not ask the receipt.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Come to my rescue tim because I didn't want to
let her down.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's momentum. So here I didn't understand his logic. He goes,
I didn't know if they'd be good or bad because
he doesn't need avocados, so he's out of the steps.
He goes, I didn't have so I got four. I said, yeah,
but you got all four the same. It's not like
you've got a brown one and he got four green
and like avocados, they've all ripened on the same day.
(01:57):
And now I've got for avocados because no one else.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Do you feel my pain?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, you know what I feel. Everyone's pain at the moment.
I just look, he probably tried, tried to do a
nice thing, Kate. He's just a bit of a dunderhead.
He miss her stuff up.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I I've been on well this week, so so I
did send him up micl which is where.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He never goes.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
He hasn't been in years. And he so sorry. I'm
so sorry to send you in Mirket. He was like,
and he came back. I loved it. It was son
a good time and I chatted friends working to check
out and I bought the sandwich and I bought this anyway,
he free started and he came home, was like, blackberries.
I don't even know what you want to wait.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh no, you got to have a shopping list.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I had. I had a shopping list, but then I
had here's my problem. I panicked on I panicked at
the end because I got a text from Hyperdrive. Hyper
Drive were coming around to fix the puncture, right, and.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So wait, wait, you're you're you're you're shifting the blame
to Hyperdrive because.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's entirely the fault because they said they were coming
around at three forty five, and then fifteen minutes before
they were leaving, they were going to text me, and
then on the text they were going to you can
track the driver. And then I'm in the supermarket and
I'm thinking, right, I'm out of the sauna and I've
had my cold shower. I've got forty five minutes to
get to the supermarket to get the ambrosias, to get
the avocados, and I'll be home in good time for
(03:19):
Hyperdrive to turn up for my puncture. Anyway, I'm halfway
through the shopping list. Bet beat Hyperdrive drivers on the row.
He's five ks. Wait, wait, you're an hour early. And
there's no reply. There's no like, you're an hour early.
You can't do it. They're just going to track the driver.
So I panic and rush home with some of the
stuff that maybe I shouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Had about here's talking about to drive term and I'm
glad you raise that because that's that's that's another good story.
And if anyone follows Tom Sainsbury's boomer dad on Instagram,
this is my hyperd So I get puncture in my
in my par and Mike says, I'll get some people
around to fix that. I know there's some people who
advertise on Z I've heard their jingle and I can
(03:59):
hear them in the study on the phone and he's like,
I'm hello, could I please book a watch your name?
And he's like Michael, and she's like, watch your email
where you send quote? And he's like, my email. I
think it's oh my email, Mike at no, Mike, no,
my phone, Mike, stop talking up? What's my email? And
(04:20):
I'm like, oh my god, I'm praying the person on
the other end of the phone is not a millennial.
And then she's she sings in the thing, and he goes,
don't leave me, stay on the phone, stay on the phone.
We'll do it now, because they don't want to happen
to wring you back to let you do the whole thing.
And then she's obviously saying, well, you're going to have
to pay the quote before we come around. So Mike's like, okay,
how do I do that? So if I just press
pay critic card? Oh so I need my critics right
(04:40):
to the phone.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
But okay, this is why can we not? Can we
not throw Hyperdrive under the bus? Because they were clearly
dealing with someone who diminished capacity. That's why they came
early so they could help them to the car, put
them in a nice seat. They didn't watch what was happening.
Make sure there was no discomfort. Maybe make him a
nice lukewarm cup of ca a mild tea, and just
(05:01):
everything would be hunky doors.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Listening to that story, even I sound pathetic, kid, it's
all good. Hyperdrive can get you a new boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Hyperdrive just had a segment. So it was and hyper
Drive when stayed to do an excellent job that I
had a screw in my tire. So they did a
really good job.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, they did a very good job. A lot of
advice dealing.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
With you, dealing with the elderly, they did a good job.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
There's a lot of advice around the avocados that you
put them in a jug of water and you put
them in the fridge and they'll they'll keep it for ages.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh I don't know that. That's great advice.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, text, thanks very much.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
That.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Do you have a pay gap ginder pay gap at
your corporate Tom, No, we don't. How do you know that?
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Because because we.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Is there unconscious bar placed him.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Now the whole unconscious bias thing, that's another rabbit hole.
But we evaluate, we evaluate people on the basis of
the role and it's how.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, you see, but that's the sensible way to do it,
and unfortunately some of the people who argue for.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It, and also the skills that they bring to it
and whether they're.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
The job and so I get all that, but the
problem is that there's a gap apparently that needs closing,
and they seem to talk around in circles about how
to close the gap and what we do and how
we don't do, and I've never understood how to close
the gap. Hence the gap hasn't been closed. Whereas if
you just judge people on whether they're any good or not,
and you pay them for what they do and the
skills they bring, the experience they bring, and all that
sort of stuff, that tends to solve its own problem,
(06:30):
doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I think it's good. I think it's good to have
outside reflection on on remuneration. So we've got We've got
an HR person that we bring in from time to time.
She works in the charitable sector. She knows what the
going rates are, she knows what's what's.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, fair enough to Katie, do you want to take
a victory lap on Tom Phillips.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, I don't really want to take a victory lap
on it, but I just I just feel it's actually
it's really sad the whole thing, and I just I'm
what you're referring to is at the time, I said,
this is crazy and they need to find them really quickly.
And I got piled on by everybody saying, you have
frot urban you don't understand rearal life, and you know
it's just a dad taking his kids version there's nothing
(07:15):
wrong with that, and you wouldn't have a clue you
live in the city. And it was just I took
so much heat for coming out.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Okay, okay, okay, it's just aggravated homeschooling, don't what's the problem?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I just and now I'm just like, wow, I just
had a feeling in my gut at the time there
was no good can come of this. It wasn't good.
It isn't good, and it's just deeply tragic. I think
the whole thing, they always he knows something's up, because
they don't just suddenly turn up swarming the place for
no reason.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
So so how was it? Did you ever get to
the bottom of how you explained the defense that people
because you did get piled on by a lot of people.
How what's the mindset that.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
The colleagues at works audience.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Let's name them. Let's name some of those colleagues. Who
were those people not going to name in shape? Were
they in management?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No, it was much.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Were they the lower downs?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, the lower downs? They were fellow hosts.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Here we go, just part of the vocabulary.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
They're the lower downs with lower downs. Just it just
I don't know people. I mean, I think people think
that quintessentially ki we thing is that you know, you
can go bush and that you can it's it's fine.
But there was nothing fine about it. He did about
the mum's permission without you know, there was everything about
it was dodgy. I thought at the time, I thought
it was indefensible. But a lot of people mounted a
defense for him, and I just didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
The kids, the kids aren't even in school. That's just
straight up and down illegal. It's a llegal not to
send your kids to school, full stop.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And with the character issue here too, I mean, this
guy's up on charges of aggravated what was the aggravated robbery,
aggravated wound.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Was last night saying oh, we don't think it was him.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Well, the cops do think it was made the charge.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
That sort of how the system works, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Hey, do you do you mind me going on holiday
with Linda?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Who's Linda?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Wouldn't you like you lost the bed?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
You lost the bed?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Sorry Tom? You and I listen for the non listeners.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
By the old bait and sweat.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Here we go, Linda's wife.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yes, so Glenn lost a bit this morning.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
He said that you lost the bed.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I would play an excellent holiday. I'll give you that.
You would have a good time with Linda.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You reckon?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
That?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Is that what they called a good time? Linda?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah? Where they came, she would be a good time Linda.
I mean she was gleaned.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
But I'm pretty sure how many drinks have you guys
had this morning?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
This is getting into a dangerous area?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Is if it ad already hadn't got into a dangerous area?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
It down?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I'm overtly sexual, don't.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's not long enough for all all that, all the
pain I've got to read back? Can you please not
say like that on her as well? It's just beyond And.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
You dick me on Friday. I'm coming to get you Monday.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Okay, you know what, Kate, I'm getting the cold tar soap.
I'll be down as it'd be a twenty minutes shot
me there.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I've got a tidy Mie, I've got to tidy myself
up and can you get me out a peer of nutcrackers, Katie,
and I'll pack when I get home. Oh goodness, Tim Wilson,
Kate hawks me for another week. For more from the
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