December 11, 2025 • 12 mins
Friday has come and Heather du Plessis-Allan was joined by Kerre Woodham and Tim Wilson to Wrap the Week that Was.
They discussed Air New Zealand’s new safety video, the Willis v Richardson debate, the quote of the year, and artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Uh, Kerry MkIV. Tim Wilson with us. Hello, are you too?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
How's it going? Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Have you you changed your surname again?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Is it.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Kerry? Which buttony pressing? Press the other button? Not other button?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Mate?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Is that button even working?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh? No? You got what's going on? Oh? My god? Carry? Carry? Okay?
Tell us how to do this.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We literally have to have a man come into the studio. Okay, Sam,
pull out the microphone of the No, no, pull out
the microphone of the site. Yep, and pop the microphone
in that one. And then if you turn that one on,
then you're going to be able to hear carry. Okay,
how's that? Carey?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
There we go?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
How's that?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Here we go?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I don't know what was worse, Tim, what was worse?
Was it the musical? Carry?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's hardly my fault.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's not Cary's fault. Don't blame carry.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
No, No, it's to me and you.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
You you started it with the Maciva would have? And
I know you've got a thing about women taking other people?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Do you know what, Cary? You have changed your surname
so many times. I can't remember which one you were
born with. I've changed it to wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's only one at a time.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Three added on to my first name.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
That's true. You've got a very serious face. So I
feel like I've gone somewhere I shouldn't have.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Was that a Nicola willis kind of a I'm so sorry? Okay,
it's quite effective that face, isn't Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Felt like I felt like one of your grandchildren being admonishious.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Then my grandchildren don't need to be admonished.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
To save me, Please save me by literally anything else.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Granddaughter to the principles of ward yesterday at school for
a zest for life that she brings to school, incredible
kindness and an absolute delight to be around, always so
much fun.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Who does that sound like?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Just sinda, No, that's not the answer you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
No, it was a rhetorical question.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'm sorry about that. Once again, I find myself in trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Do you think to talk about the New Zealand safety video?
Heither can I save you? Can I possibly say you?
I think you're old to something. You're absolutely on to something.
It's a waste of three and a half minutes. It's
really easy. The exits are over there. Take the oxygen
mask first, and then give it to your kids and
if the plane goes down, start praying. All right, let's take.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Off and start praying in the kind of like knees
on chest position. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, No, I think you're
I think you're right. Actually, I mean, I don't want
to be mean.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Kerry to eat New Zealand and often it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Is business model is However, I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Want to be mean on this because I know they're trying,
like they're really trying.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's like one of those jokes that you're going to
hear over Christmas from the uncle who was told once
it was funny back in nineteen seventy eight and tells
it every year and it's like, hey, hey, I don't
do this one, and it's like, yeah, you have yeah,
and we've all heard it and it's not.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The end of a longer every year as well exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I mean, when it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
First came as a man as a man, I reject
the premise of that assertion. That's so unkind. Why is
it uncles? Why would it not be aunties as well?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We have time.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
There'll be an Auntie crack somewhere along this morning. But
it was vaguely amusing as a as a rob five
vanity piece when it first came out, and now yeah,
not so much.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Now, give me a bit of perspective on this tip,
because I do consider you like a relatively normal person.
You live in Auckland, not and Wellington, You've got kids,
You're doing a proper, proper day's work. Are you even
in the slightest interest, because I am. Are you even
in the slightest interested in the lady fight that's going
to happen in Parliament next week?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, I am, because I'm a political tragic as well.
And you know what's what's politics? It's sport for unhealthy people,
and that's I'm fascinated by it. I mean, I think
I actually want to ask, now, though, will you confirm
or deny that you will moderate this debate?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Here?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
The duple c allen on the record.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I can't. I will deny that I am going to
moderate this debate because I think that I heard that
Carrie's going to do it.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I am not remotely interested.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
To me, it looks like, well, you'll be perfect.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Do you know what it looks like?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I know that you guys, and I get that kind
of theoretical. Gosh, wouldn't it be amazing watching Ruth Richardson
and Blast from the Past. It looks like the two
middle aged men.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Going how many precepts can you do? I can bang
out fifty?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Oh, I can do sixty, or those tragic men in
their cycle gear talking about their their race that morning
over coffee at the trendy cafe. It's embarrassing. It's just embarrassing.
I don't want to see it, and it's.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Irrelevant even if even is it though yes it is.
Why is it irrelevant?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Because the details that the country that Ruth Richardson was
dealing with at the time was vastly different to the
circumstances that Nicholas it is comparing apples and pears. They
are both interesting finance ministers. They both came out after
interesting times in New Zealand political and economic history. They
(05:10):
are standalone pieces of history. They should not be debasing
themselves and the position that they hold and held by
doing this farcical exersise.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So I should cancel your subscription to the Taxpayers Union
that I took out.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I haven't even I've suddenly realized what that box is
in my locker I.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Didn't realize that.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Now you're going to get into it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Now, I think, Kerry, this is why you should you
should moderate the debate, because you're absolutely right it is.
It's first first past the post environment versus an MMP environment,
two very very different things.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And actually maybe Kerry should moderate the debate because you're
absolutely no tolerance for the nonsense that might happen. Kerry,
are you getting texts from Nick from Wellington? Nick Mills?
That's Nick Mills, the hoasts the show and Wellington. He's
wanting to know. And you need to leave men out
of this. This is I didn't think about it like
men doing press us.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Oh yeah I did too, So I did too.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Now what do you reckons? The quote of the year atam.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh for me, it's Dame Noline Torrua and the quote
is I have been able to put my truth out there.
I am in my conscious space. Close quote. It sounded
like she was sitting in front of a Stalinist show
trial in the nineteen thirties offering the statement of the accused,
(06:27):
and it should have showed the apex of intellectual and
psychological relativism. There's no truth, there's only objective truth. This
is how I feel. Oh, dear Carrie, Well, it's quite true.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I mean, I think that's brilliant. It reminds me of
that cost to speak when he came on when he
was first police commissioner.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Halfway through in an.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Ad break, I said, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I have no idea what.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
You're saying in person to him. Yeah, you turned the
mic off and then you said to him, I don't
know what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, because he said something about increasing personnel client interaction
at a at A at a fundamental level or something.
And I say, do you mean cops on the beat
after a couple of goes, and you mean, oh, yes,
I suppose.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I mean, I can't say it.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
He said, oh, they said, I've been very well trained.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
No, bless, bless, bless you.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Dodge is, Oh no.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
We're gonna, We're gonna. But there's goin. I reckon, there's
going to be more of this with the AI slot,
with the now. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's we have to
we have to fight. It's simple.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Pro AI is only going to sound like that if
we only feeded Andrew Costa's speeches, you know what I mean,
if we give it some normal people language. It all
come out sounding like a normal person, won't it. How
do you feel about the AI by the way.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Look, I actually you have to. Actually it's the way.
It's what you tell. You tell it what to do.
And I often one of the best or as a reflector.
I think you sound a lot like chet GPT. Don't
sound like chat GPT. No stop sounding like chat GPT,
because I think the reason that we're sort of policing,
so to speak, the speech is because bad language equals
(08:10):
bad thought. So if you can get the language simple,
the thought becomes a lot more clean as well.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I try to use it this week, Carrie, and because
I'd read that that what people are using it for
is to as like a shop shopping assistant. And if
you tell us to find you a thing and make
sure that it is in this correct size and this
correct color and this price point, and then it will
be delivered to your house by that date, it will
do all the hard work for you. First product is
sent to me. I wanted it before Christmas was going
(08:38):
to arrive on New Year's Day, not I wantul not.
And then the second product I wanted in large second
product they gave me it at every size except for large.
So I'm starting to me something large for.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
The debate's brother is not going to be did you
get it?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And then on top of that, it ruined surprise and
now he knows what.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I have spoken to people involved in AI who are
working with AI, and I am invigorated by their excitement
and enthusiasm and the endless good potential because we're hearing
a lot of negative narrative around Yeah, totally, and that
would have been the same back the Lotites talking about
the weaving machines coming in, and you know, there is
(09:22):
always going to be good and bad. But I haven't
heard a lot about the good side until I started
speaking to these people who are at the cutting edge,
who believe it's going to make a huge difference in
terms of medical research, in terms of helping kids with
learning difficulties, in terms of being able to you know,
when you think about the people who are incredibly intelligent,
(09:44):
have a lot to offer, move to another country and
end up doing entry level jobs and hope that their kids,
you know, read the rewards of this new country. It's
going to level the playing field so that their intelligence,
their their knowledge, their wisdom will come out in the
first generation.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Not the second.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Use it very much.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Carry sometimes.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, have you ever used it for for doing the cooking?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
No? Not you go. But also I've tried.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I've tried to get it to write a couple of
columns for me to see how he has and God knows,
I've written enough over the years that it should.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And do you say, write a column in the style
of Carrie Yeah Woodham. Yes there were columns under as well.
You have to Carrie Woodham slash Kerry Kaiva, the artist
formerly known as Yeah it was.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Uh, it's still not good, and I mean, eventually there'll
be a time. But I think the unique indefinable thing
that makes us human is what is going to save
this from a I mean, use it as a servant.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
It's never going to replace us, and it's never going.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
To replace a good teacher or somebody with an inquiring
mind who puts the dots together and goes, no.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But why don't we try this? You know, I'm really
quite excited about it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I'm excited about it too. I'm glad you're excited about
you excited about it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Tom, I'm excited, but I'm also concerned because now the
excitement is like so, for example, and Maxim, we did
a paper on AI and education. The possibility is that
we could have a teacher pupil ratio of one to
one using AI. And that's amazing because everyone knows that
every kid is different, every kid has different strengths, different
(11:19):
learly and that that's incredible. I guess the question though,
is just what as AI becomes more powerful, just what
informs its moral code and whether it's telling us the
truth or whether it forms a kind of sentience that
does concern me.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah too, right now, listen, guys, thank you so much
for coming in.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Is that it?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
That's fast?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Thank God?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That the show? Yeah, why don't we just stick around.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
When you're left dissatisfied after just such a short time.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Tim Wilson, the kids, thank you both for being here.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
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Uh, Kerry MkIV. Tim Wilson with us. Hello, are you too?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
How's it going? Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Have you you changed your surname again?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Is it.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Kerry? Which buttony pressing? Press the other button? Not other button?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Mate?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Is that button even working?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh? No? You got what's going on? Oh? My god? Carry? Carry? Okay?
Tell us how to do this.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We literally have to have a man come into the studio. Okay, Sam,
pull out the microphone of the No, no, pull out
the microphone of the site. Yep, and pop the microphone
in that one. And then if you turn that one on,
then you're going to be able to hear carry. Okay,
how's that? Carey?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
There we go?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
How's that?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Here we go?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I don't know what was worse, Tim, what was worse?
Was it the musical? Carry?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It's hardly my fault.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's not Cary's fault. Don't blame carry.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
No, No, it's to me and you.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
You you started it with the Maciva would have? And
I know you've got a thing about women taking other people?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Do you know what, Cary? You have changed your surname
so many times. I can't remember which one you were
born with. I've changed it to wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's only one at a time.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Three added on to my first name.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
That's true. You've got a very serious face. So I
feel like I've gone somewhere I shouldn't have.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Was that a Nicola willis kind of a I'm so sorry? Okay,
it's quite effective that face, isn't Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Felt like I felt like one of your grandchildren being admonishious.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Then my grandchildren don't need to be admonished.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
To save me, Please save me by literally anything else.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Granddaughter to the principles of ward yesterday at school for
a zest for life that she brings to school, incredible
kindness and an absolute delight to be around, always so
much fun.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Who does that sound like?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Just sinda, No, that's not the answer you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
No, it was a rhetorical question.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'm sorry about that. Once again, I find myself in trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Do you think to talk about the New Zealand safety video?
Heither can I save you? Can I possibly say you?
I think you're old to something. You're absolutely on to something.
It's a waste of three and a half minutes. It's
really easy. The exits are over there. Take the oxygen
mask first, and then give it to your kids and
if the plane goes down, start praying. All right, let's take.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Off and start praying in the kind of like knees
on chest position. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, No, I think you're
I think you're right. Actually, I mean, I don't want
to be mean.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Kerry to eat New Zealand and often it.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Is business model is However, I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Want to be mean on this because I know they're trying,
like they're really trying.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's like one of those jokes that you're going to
hear over Christmas from the uncle who was told once
it was funny back in nineteen seventy eight and tells
it every year and it's like, hey, hey, I don't
do this one, and it's like, yeah, you have yeah,
and we've all heard it and it's not.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The end of a longer every year as well exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I mean, when it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
First came as a man as a man, I reject
the premise of that assertion. That's so unkind. Why is
it uncles? Why would it not be aunties as well?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We have time.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
There'll be an Auntie crack somewhere along this morning. But
it was vaguely amusing as a as a rob five
vanity piece when it first came out, and now yeah,
not so much.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Now, give me a bit of perspective on this tip,
because I do consider you like a relatively normal person.
You live in Auckland, not and Wellington, You've got kids,
You're doing a proper, proper day's work. Are you even
in the slightest interest, because I am. Are you even
in the slightest interested in the lady fight that's going
to happen in Parliament next week?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, I am, because I'm a political tragic as well.
And you know what's what's politics? It's sport for unhealthy people,
and that's I'm fascinated by it. I mean, I think
I actually want to ask, now, though, will you confirm
or deny that you will moderate this debate?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Here?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
The duple c allen on the record.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I can't. I will deny that I am going to
moderate this debate because I think that I heard that
Carrie's going to do it.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I am not remotely interested.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
To me, it looks like, well, you'll be perfect.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Do you know what it looks like?
Speaker 4 (04:17):
I know that you guys, and I get that kind
of theoretical. Gosh, wouldn't it be amazing watching Ruth Richardson
and Blast from the Past. It looks like the two
middle aged men.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Going how many precepts can you do? I can bang
out fifty?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Oh, I can do sixty, or those tragic men in
their cycle gear talking about their their race that morning
over coffee at the trendy cafe. It's embarrassing. It's just embarrassing.
I don't want to see it, and it's.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Irrelevant even if even is it though yes it is.
Why is it irrelevant?
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Because the details that the country that Ruth Richardson was
dealing with at the time was vastly different to the
circumstances that Nicholas it is comparing apples and pears. They
are both interesting finance ministers. They both came out after
interesting times in New Zealand political and economic history. They
(05:10):
are standalone pieces of history. They should not be debasing
themselves and the position that they hold and held by
doing this farcical exersise.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So I should cancel your subscription to the Taxpayers Union
that I took out.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I haven't even I've suddenly realized what that box is
in my locker I.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Didn't realize that.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Now you're going to get into it.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Now, I think, Kerry, this is why you should you
should moderate the debate, because you're absolutely right it is.
It's first first past the post environment versus an MMP environment,
two very very different things.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And actually maybe Kerry should moderate the debate because you're
absolutely no tolerance for the nonsense that might happen. Kerry,
are you getting texts from Nick from Wellington? Nick Mills?
That's Nick Mills, the hoasts the show and Wellington. He's
wanting to know. And you need to leave men out
of this. This is I didn't think about it like
men doing press us.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Oh yeah I did too, So I did too.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Now what do you reckons? The quote of the year atam.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh for me, it's Dame Noline Torrua and the quote
is I have been able to put my truth out there.
I am in my conscious space. Close quote. It sounded
like she was sitting in front of a Stalinist show
trial in the nineteen thirties offering the statement of the accused,
(06:27):
and it should have showed the apex of intellectual and
psychological relativism. There's no truth, there's only objective truth. This
is how I feel. Oh, dear Carrie, Well, it's quite true.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I mean, I think that's brilliant. It reminds me of
that cost to speak when he came on when he
was first police commissioner.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Halfway through in an.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Ad break, I said, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I have no idea what.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
You're saying in person to him. Yeah, you turned the
mic off and then you said to him, I don't
know what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, because he said something about increasing personnel client interaction
at a at A at a fundamental level or something.
And I say, do you mean cops on the beat
after a couple of goes, and you mean, oh, yes,
I suppose.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I mean, I can't say it.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
He said, oh, they said, I've been very well trained.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
No, bless, bless, bless you.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Dodge is, Oh no.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
We're gonna, We're gonna. But there's goin. I reckon, there's
going to be more of this with the AI slot,
with the now. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's we have to
we have to fight. It's simple.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Pro AI is only going to sound like that if
we only feeded Andrew Costa's speeches, you know what I mean,
if we give it some normal people language. It all
come out sounding like a normal person, won't it. How
do you feel about the AI by the way.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Look, I actually you have to. Actually it's the way.
It's what you tell. You tell it what to do.
And I often one of the best or as a reflector.
I think you sound a lot like chet GPT. Don't
sound like chat GPT. No stop sounding like chat GPT,
because I think the reason that we're sort of policing,
so to speak, the speech is because bad language equals
(08:10):
bad thought. So if you can get the language simple,
the thought becomes a lot more clean as well.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I try to use it this week, Carrie, and because
I'd read that that what people are using it for
is to as like a shop shopping assistant. And if
you tell us to find you a thing and make
sure that it is in this correct size and this
correct color and this price point, and then it will
be delivered to your house by that date, it will
do all the hard work for you. First product is
sent to me. I wanted it before Christmas was going
(08:38):
to arrive on New Year's Day, not I wantul not.
And then the second product I wanted in large second
product they gave me it at every size except for large.
So I'm starting to me something large for.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
The debate's brother is not going to be did you
get it?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
And then on top of that, it ruined surprise and
now he knows what.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I have spoken to people involved in AI who are
working with AI, and I am invigorated by their excitement
and enthusiasm and the endless good potential because we're hearing
a lot of negative narrative around Yeah, totally, and that
would have been the same back the Lotites talking about
the weaving machines coming in, and you know, there is
(09:22):
always going to be good and bad. But I haven't
heard a lot about the good side until I started
speaking to these people who are at the cutting edge,
who believe it's going to make a huge difference in
terms of medical research, in terms of helping kids with
learning difficulties, in terms of being able to you know,
when you think about the people who are incredibly intelligent,
(09:44):
have a lot to offer, move to another country and
end up doing entry level jobs and hope that their kids,
you know, read the rewards of this new country. It's
going to level the playing field so that their intelligence,
their their knowledge, their wisdom will come out in the
first generation.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Not the second.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Use it very much.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Carry sometimes.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, have you ever used it for for doing the cooking?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
No? Not you go. But also I've tried.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I've tried to get it to write a couple of
columns for me to see how he has and God knows,
I've written enough over the years that it should.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And do you say, write a column in the style
of Carrie Yeah Woodham. Yes there were columns under as well.
You have to Carrie Woodham slash Kerry Kaiva, the artist
formerly known as Yeah it was.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Uh, it's still not good, and I mean, eventually there'll
be a time. But I think the unique indefinable thing
that makes us human is what is going to save
this from a I mean, use it as a servant.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
It's never going to replace us, and it's never going.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
To replace a good teacher or somebody with an inquiring
mind who puts the dots together and goes, no.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
But why don't we try this? You know, I'm really
quite excited about it.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I'm excited about it too. I'm glad you're excited about
you excited about it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Tom, I'm excited, but I'm also concerned because now the
excitement is like so, for example, and Maxim, we did
a paper on AI and education. The possibility is that
we could have a teacher pupil ratio of one to
one using AI. And that's amazing because everyone knows that
every kid is different, every kid has different strengths, different
(11:19):
learly and that that's incredible. I guess the question though,
is just what as AI becomes more powerful, just what
informs its moral code and whether it's telling us the
truth or whether it forms a kind of sentience that
does concern me.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah too, right now, listen, guys, thank you so much
for coming in.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Is that it?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
That's fast?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Thank God?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That the show? Yeah, why don't we just stick around.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
When you're left dissatisfied after just such a short time.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Tim Wilson, the kids, thank you both for being here.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
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