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Speaker 1 (00:00):
With me right now. We have Tim Wilson. Are you there, Tim, Yeah,
I'm here.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Jimmy Fallon sounds a bit augmented. Actually, is there a
bit of a gun in there?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
It could well be the case. And I had to
leave it for a while before I said hello to
Kerry because Kerry actually walked and there she goes again,
she's walking away from the microphone. What is your what
is wrong with you? Sorry?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I've got a very important guest coming in after nine.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Look at the state of this. It is disgusting because
you know who's been sitting there.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yes, I do, Matt Heath.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Matt Heath has been sitting there.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
And he Heath again.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I don't mind if people leave a few crumbs on
the desk. Heavens, we all do it, but clean up
after yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
How do you and.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Christopher Luxan coming in at nine? He can't sit in
amongst Matt Heath's filth.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
While I'm sitting here chatting, I'll just multitask.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yes, we do, because we are women, so we're just
tidy up because we don't know what else to do.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I feel like, can I just feel like I'm being
a woman's blained here. Okay, all right, men do tidy
up as well.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
That is a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
No, that's true. There are immaculate tidy uppers, are there immaculate?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Name one? He was not actually a very good point.
There's enough to see a man though, or an alien.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
We have no empirical evidence myself, but I'm sure there
are women up and down the country, you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Do, Tim. This gets worse because I sat down just before,
and we have this desk to one side, and underneath
the desk is a shelf so we can hide all
the gross stuff. And I just come up on her
hand black that the wet wipes come up like anyway.
Underneath the desk, sitting on a napkin, is four little
Christmas treats like oreos that have been decorated like reindeer.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Which were very cute yesterday at eleven o'clock. Not quite we.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Think the boys, Yeah, we think the boys brought them
in at midday and have left them here for twenty
four hours, just sitting in a studio.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
No, Matt's left them on the floor.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Disgusting. Okay, now the hairy decision. What did you think
of that? Tim? You're a normal person out there, not
a politico, which.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Thing, Well, I don't I don't you know the whole
It's an announcement about an announcement I get. I feel
that's kind of like a beltweigh mode. As a normal person,
I just want to know there's going to be a ferry,
should I decide to take a ferry, and that I'm
not going to have to pay too much. But I
feel like, you know, I don't know that, but I
don't actually care because I don't drive down to the
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South Island much. But I am worried about Mveggi's coming
up from the South Island. So that's I guess that's
where I'm at. It's like, well, do we need to
do how can we get to deliver this? Because there
was a great observation by I think Jonathan mill in
News for Amy saying this is a problem, the dilemma
of treating what is it, state owned Kiwi Rail and
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treating it like a private company and then forcing it
to provide a loss making service. That's the issue.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Well, it is loss making. I mean you look at
the Napier Widal line that was set up by under
the previous administration, and that was going to take the
logs and provide a suitable alternative to state highway too,
and when there were wash ups and slips, it would
be no, they're not using it because it costs too much. Yeah,
and it's lost leading. But I mean, honestly, it feels
like there was a deal. I don't think this reflects
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very well on the coalition government.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
No, and isn't this actually the problem?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Carry it was a deal and then Winston goes no,
I'll tell you what. I've got my voter base to
look after and I want rail involved.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I want a better deal. The problem is that they
have come in. It was one of the first things
that they did as the government last year, right they
came in. They canceled that fairy deal because they were like, no,
this is while miles too expensive, we can do better.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Even Grant Robertson it acknowledged it was.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But it doesn't look like they can do better. No,
which is awkward, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
It is? You really did have to have a resounding
announcement otherwise you say, look terribly sorry, it's got complicated
because of coalition agreement. We're going to make a definite
announcement in the new year.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
But to your point, tell me, I think, Heather, Yeah,
well I was going to go to your point. Actually, Heather,
that the like is at the end of the year.
Winston's saying, I don't do dashboards, I don't do quarterly plans.
But you know, everyone's scratch starting to show everybody, Well, well,
but this is bigger than that. I think too.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What do you think is going on? That's bigger than that?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh? What I mean is it's just a bigger, bigger
issue than the sort of end of year collapse. It's
actually there. I think you guys are right. It's proved
to be more expensive than they anticipated, and they they're
sort of scrambling to find an alternative.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
They're all getting on each other's nerves, aren't they carry everything?
Did you see Nikola Willis's face when she was asked
about Winston Peters yesterday?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It was like a sneaker speak gustful everybody because then
he's amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It looked like it looked like an oreo treat left
in the studio overnight.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Okay, listen, carry have you finished wiping?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Look at the state of that. I'm sorry, it's.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's it's a white cloth that's come up gray. Go
on then, Carrie, so we took a break. You vacuumed,
you vacuumed.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Vacuumed, you madly did the other side of the dear
And honestly, would you see American talk show host doing
this before the present?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Can you imagine Anderson Cooper just whipping around the studio
really quickly before.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Bidy were heavily pregnant? And yeah, and I'm old.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Anyway, that's all done, nothing to worry about. Back to
normal situation. Normal, Hey, Tim, listen, I'll tell you. What's
been fascinating for me has been watching what's going on
with the banks this week and the fact that the
banks are not lending to the gas stations after twenty thirty. Now,
now that, what do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah? I think, I mean, I think they should bring
the ComCom into that. That seems like a perfect, a
perfect thing to look at. Because I'm the Yeah, and
we'll think because I'm geting.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
To the minister about this earlier. This is Andrew Bailly and.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
He's not into It's not really he's not sure.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That this is cartail enough behavior to actually justify a
calm investigation. What do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Let's just why don't we let them take a look
at it at least and then they can decide, but
let's not pre empt it. What I thought was interesting
was it's the smaller operator, as you spoke with the operator,
the CEO of which is a pretty big one, and saying, oh,
look it's not it's not affecting us, but they're picking
off the smaller, smaller, smaller guys. Which I find that
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that sounds unjust to me.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
But do you know what this is why we have
secular lawmakers because my morality might be different to your morality. Yes,
and so that's why we don't have rule by Bible
or Koran or whatever, or climate or climate change or
Greta Tomberg. You know, you have secular lawmakers who say
this is against the law, this is not, so why
can't the banks follow that? So if it's going to
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be against the law to drive a fossil or an
ice car, then make it against the law and then
the banks don't lend.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
To have a discussion about that.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Would that be z argument that we're not going to
be We're going to be driving electric vehicles in six years.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So it made me think maybe I could run a
bank with my fos.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Gloria Vale as well.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I know, but him saying we go to go from
two point two percent of the of New Zealand's fleet
being electric two you know, sixty by twenty thirty?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Are we?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Dan? Are we?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't use numbers when you're doing the mortgage.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I mean he's doing those numbers. I could be the
head of a bank.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I think so too. Yeah, we're all we're all fine
with that.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I'm really insensed by that. I mean, this is why
we have laws so that my morality doesn't mean that
you live your life the way I think you should.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And let's understand something about the banks as well. Right,
the banks are really powerful, so if they start calling
shots like this, they can actually screw your life.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Over in the UK, they're dear banking one thousand people
a day for different reasons.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, that's and that that is that is a really
big issue. So so I thought, you know, something happens
on social media and then suddenly you're you're all financial
resources also if you've been but yeah, more than more
than canceled, So cancelation. You can still get stuff out
of an ATM, even though I mean literally literally Canceryeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And given that this is a capitalist society, nobody's come
up with. And that's the other thing. The banks are going,
you have to do this. They're writing checks that they
expect other people to cash, you know that, to provide
for They're saying, we have to do this to be
better people. But you have to do it, not us, Yeah,
and for it.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You know what this is. This is a bit of
an example too, like there's a strong seam of progressivism
within corporate corporate New Zealand, corporate America, et cetera. So
on the one hand, super capitalist, I fly in, there's
cart class, I guess a whole lot of people for
a consulting agency. Then I fly out. But oh no,
climate change, No, we must everything we can.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And that's exactly what annoys me. And that's why we
need laws, not this kind of holier than they'll totally
agree morality. Listen to me, And what happened to the
smaller banks? Why didn't they sign the alliance where they
not invited? Or do we all take our banking to
Taranaki Savings Bank? They have to, I mean, because I
know you've flunced off from Kiwibank. And now well they
were part of the alliance, but.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
They were doing the coal mining thing and I got
I got rid of So where do we go? I
don't know a TB, SAW S B S heart. You
do the research, okay? Can I just take a banks approach?
You do the hard work for me. In do we do?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
We do?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
We give teachers presents?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yes, well teen geography even if they'd been useless.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Oh no, you only give presents to the teachers you like.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay, yeah, but that was the way I operated.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And that's like, but with the kids, the grand kids,
all the all the mums put into an internet or
i'd say parents, but we know who would who read
the email? And actually, well, I'm sorry, I'm still sitting
amongst the filth. So I'm still fester and anything.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But you call it off at intermediate right, not not
beyond that?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Well, then you do individual presence. But I like the
way everybody can contribute what they could afford, and nobody
knew how much it was, but they managed to get
Prizzy cards with a considerable amount pull of the three teachers.
And I'm sorry, I know there are problems with the curriculum,
and I know everyone war is on about the teachers holidays.
They are doing an amazing job. They are doing an
incredible job, and they've been having to leap through hopes
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for every single successive government that comes in with a
new idea, and they have the children's best interests at
heart all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But but there's also another another measure to this, which
is how well your kids behaved in class. So if
you kids behave badly, you get them chocolates. If you
pardon me, if your kids plathe badly, you get them Scotch.
You can get by with a box of papers from guys.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Thank you, it's wonderful to chat. You are really appreciated.
Carry best of luck with the Prime Minister when he's in.
It looks done it it does, at least it does
get typhoid and we'll see you again.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It just killed the Prime Minister. The reindeer and.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
All right, some mean Carrie.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
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