2025 is underway, and Trish Sherson and Tim Wilson joined Ryan Bridge to Wrap the Week that was.
They discussed the growing lengths of films, Donald Trump’s first week back in the Oval Office, and whether New Zealand has a culture of saying ‘no’.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Tris Sharson Shirson, Willis Prre great to have you.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Happy Friday. Tim Wilson's here too from the Maximum Institute.
Happy Friday, Tim.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Happy Friday. Ryan and Tresham Gee was talking about naked emotions.
That editorial what was it nuclear bomb that you unleashed
on Hollywood this morning had me laughing in the car.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
So this is about the Oscars nominations which have come out.
I mean, how many? How many movies nowadays are more
than three hours long? And our attention spans are shrinking,
but the movies are getting longer.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Well, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And as someone who's just about to take over a
quarter of a century of marriage, Ryan, I've got one
word for you that's going to save you from these movies.
And that word is no very important word in marriage.
I can't tell you the amount of times I have
had my loved one droning on about June is the
most amazing thing and why why won't I watch it?
(01:01):
And I think I can spare you from some of that,
some of that self indulgence from Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Do you know the problem is, especially with June, that
there are three it's a three parter, so that that's
that's nine hours minimum.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, and with all that sand, you'll make an oyster
and make a pearl by the time you come out
of the movie theater upsetting?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Can I just can I just say, though, I think
you know, to be honest, you had me until you're
saying our brains are getting smaller. I can't accept that diagnosis.
That offends my pride and vanity. I think we actually
what we're looking for are oases of reflection. We just
don't want to have to sit for two and a
half hours in a sea of crap. So I think
it's like, yeah, take time out, but don't you know,
(01:44):
just don't don't don't blame Hollywood, Ryan, Hollywood's the problem.
You're the solution.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah. I just need to relax and probably stop being
cheap and fork out for one of the more comfortable seats,
because then it's a more enjoyable experience for everyone. Now,
this is a difficult question to answer, Tim, because which
will become clear when I ask it. But does New
Zealand have a culture of saying no?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I think to some extent it does. I guess the
question is what we're saying no to and what we're
saying yes to. So a successful country or ostensibly successful
like Singapore, says no to a whole bunch of things
like petty crime, like chewing gum in public. It's a
bit like Auckland Airport in that way. But let's not
go down that road. It's a question. I think we
need to decide what we're saying yes to and what
(02:29):
we're saying no to. And I think this is the
beginning of a discussion about what our actual vision for
the country over the next two decades looks like.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, this is obviously from Luxon and his State of
the Nation yesterday saying we're just not ambitious enough. Trish
he's saying mining. And we had Shane Jones on this morning.
He's got a big announcement he said thirty first of
January about areas of New Zealand like the Dockland, basically
that we will open up for mining. But we are
used to saying no a little bit here, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well I thought it was really interesting that Luxon was
talking to business yesterday, but the real question is is
Wellington listening. I mean, the bureaucracy in Wellington has become
like New Zealand's one giant road cone that just gets
plunked down whenever any progress needs to be made. And
(03:19):
so I think it's a big culture shift in Wellington.
Luxon has nailed a couple of points here. I mean,
we are desperate for growth in New Zealand, but look
at you know, for decades the OIO Overseas Investment Act
has been politicized, so every time someone from overseas wants
to buy a farm or something else, it's major headlines
(03:40):
for months. So we've got to get over ourselves and
open up to the world. But I do have a
bone to pick with you on this, Ryan, because yesterday
Luxon talked about one of the reasons we're hampered in
growth is because we haven't got enough concerts at Eden Park.
I heard you suggest this morning that Helen Clark should
moved to Grayland because she doesn't like the concerts in
(04:03):
easy solution, And let me just say this, Graylan is
not a suburb of wet blankets, nor do we want
to be a suburb of wet blankets. And in fact,
around here, if anyone here's a party going on at night,
you just open the windows and enjoy it, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well there's a suburb. We can see Helen Clark.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I've seen Helen Clark on the Reds. She'd add to
your party, Trisia. So it's no worries in that department.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
It is wild, though, Tim, Isn't it just on the
Eden Park and lax and saying let's open it up
and just let them go for it? Helpful ether if you?
I mean, Eden Park's been around since like nineteen hundred,
it's you know, obviously grown and what it can do
and stuff. But if you've bought a house there, you
know that it's there.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You know, yeah, yeah, it's and look actually was I
was speaking of eating. I was at the Luke Colmbs
concert last week and there were people who'd flown there
from Tasmay because they were missing out on the Aussie concerts.
So I mean he's right in that sense. Then if
you buy a house in eden Park, you know, when
Luke Colmbs is playing, go outside, open a cold one
and suck it up.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Do you know what what this reminded me of was
I went to a speech by one of the government
minister's last year and one of the stats that stuck
out to me was that that new Zealand's pipeline of
major events literally is completely empty, and that that is
not a great thing for New Zealand. But also the
Eden Park thing brings us back to the bigger point
(05:34):
about not being ambitious enough. You know, the cost of
not having an amazing, purpose built stadium that's in an
area where it's you know, good for everyone to be
at you can have a concert seven days a week.
That's our bigger problem here. So you know, we just
we do need to get more ambitious and back.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Ourselves we have. We can't ignore Donald Trump. He's had
a big week obviously returning to the White House. But
you have to admit tim you know, like him or
low them, his politics whatever, He's come in with a plan.
The man has a plan. He obviously had these executive
orders up the wazoo ready to go. He also had
plans to make sure that the civil servants in Washington,
(06:13):
d C. Would enact them and if they don't, that
there'd be consequences.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, and look, I think I think there's a sense
of and you know, we were talking about New Zealand earlier.
What we're seeing from the Trump administration is a kind
of dynamism now you may may not like the direction
it's going in, but at least there's a plan and
there's a sequence of events and orders. And look that
that plethora, what was it, one hundred executive orders signed
(06:41):
after the inauguration. That was a response though to Joe
Biden's what is a blizzard of executive orders that he
signed before he left? I guess my one pause is
sort of like he signed those executive orders at a rally.
So there's a performative nature here, and I think, you know,
you know, with the whole I guess the social media thing.
(07:02):
There's so much performance these days, and particularly in politics,
and I don't you know, you want to do things
because they're the right thing to do. You don't want
to do things because a crowd of people will starts
shouting and cheering your name.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah. I think the reason that he did that particular
stunt was because the whole thing was moved indoors, so
there was no you know, on Capitol Hill. Normally they
have it outside and the big crowds can come and joining.
And I think that was more a response to the
weather than anything else. But I take your point, Trush,
here's a performer. He is a more consummate performer. Trish,
(07:36):
what are your thoughts on Trump's this wig?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, it's wild, isn't it. Every Day you tune in
and you think, Wow, what's going to happen now? I mean,
the performative nature is Trump of Trump is amazing. Everyone
knows they are better prepared this time around. They were
as shambles in twenty seventeen, but they've had all this
time to do the work. As Tim said, whether you
(08:01):
like it or not, a couple of things I think
are interesting. Translating back here to New Zealand, to Tim's
point around the performative nature of things, I had this
thought at the end of last year. It's more of
a plea, probably to our New Zealand politicians to remember
you are in Wellington to make law, not tiktoks. And
(08:21):
and then the other sort of slightly hopeful note I
take out of what Trump has just told the luminaries
that Davos overnight is that this is a revolution of
common sense. And as you know, Ryan, one of my
personal brands is around common sense, or as my husband
would say, more of my right wing clap trap. So
(08:42):
I'm positive, I'm positive this year that we're entering a
revolution of common sense. Bring it on.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
The Other thing you like to harp on about, because
you do have a long list, is being capable capable people,
and you'll love this. Gen Z apparently don't want to
change their own light bulbs. They are quite happy to
outsource DIY tasks, so they will actually pay a professional
(09:12):
to change the light bulbs in their house, raising concerns
about self reliance among young people. Tim, I mean, I'm
not a particularly capable person, but a light bulb.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, And look, you know there is a mode
here at work. Remember when we used to bag millennials
for being useless, Well, millennials are breathing a sigh of
relief because the algorithm now says it's time to gang
up on gen Z. They can't change a light bulb.
What a bunch of silker bubbers. Actually it was like
one quarter outsourcer. Okay, that's lame, but that means seventy
(09:43):
five percent is still changing their own light bulb. That's
quite good. Maybe they should gang up on the one
quarter who don't want to do it, get over with
the ladder, show them how to go. I don't think
we should succumb to this demographic divide, we are one,
let's unite well, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
That completely ignored the question as usual what I mean
to the broader point. Yes, I value, among among any
everything else, people who are practical and capable and what
I've learned in life and again this is back to
back to a quarter of a century, have been roped
into the great institution of marriage that if you are
(10:18):
not practical and capable in some areas which I am not,
I t for instance, or changing tires, marry someone who is.
It's all about the division of labor.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's why you sit. That's why you have to sit
in cinemas to movies like doing that you don't like
because change the tire.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's no, there's no value exchange in this relationship. You
just you just do stuff as you have to.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Oh, brilliant guys. A great end of the week. Thank
you for that. That is the week with Trish Jerson Cherson,
willisipe R, Tim Wilson The Maximum Institute.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks it'd be from six a m.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Weekdays, or follow the podcast on I Hard Ready Out
Good morning, Tris Sharson Shirson, Willis Prre great to have you.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Happy Friday. Tim Wilson's here too from the Maximum Institute.
Happy Friday, Tim.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Happy Friday. Ryan and Tresham Gee was talking about naked emotions.
That editorial what was it nuclear bomb that you unleashed
on Hollywood this morning had me laughing in the car.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
So this is about the Oscars nominations which have come out.
I mean, how many? How many movies nowadays are more
than three hours long? And our attention spans are shrinking,
but the movies are getting longer.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Well, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And as someone who's just about to take over a
quarter of a century of marriage, Ryan, I've got one
word for you that's going to save you from these movies.
And that word is no very important word in marriage.
I can't tell you the amount of times I have
had my loved one droning on about June is the
most amazing thing and why why won't I watch it?
(01:01):
And I think I can spare you from some of that,
some of that self indulgence from Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Do you know the problem is, especially with June, that
there are three it's a three parter, so that that's
that's nine hours minimum.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, and with all that sand, you'll make an oyster
and make a pearl by the time you come out
of the movie theater upsetting?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Can I just can I just say, though, I think
you know, to be honest, you had me until you're
saying our brains are getting smaller. I can't accept that diagnosis.
That offends my pride and vanity. I think we actually
what we're looking for are oases of reflection. We just
don't want to have to sit for two and a
half hours in a sea of crap. So I think
it's like, yeah, take time out, but don't you know,
(01:44):
just don't don't don't blame Hollywood, Ryan, Hollywood's the problem.
You're the solution.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah. I just need to relax and probably stop being
cheap and fork out for one of the more comfortable seats,
because then it's a more enjoyable experience for everyone. Now,
this is a difficult question to answer, Tim, because which
will become clear when I ask it. But does New
Zealand have a culture of saying no?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I think to some extent it does. I guess the
question is what we're saying no to and what we're
saying yes to. So a successful country or ostensibly successful
like Singapore, says no to a whole bunch of things
like petty crime, like chewing gum in public. It's a
bit like Auckland Airport in that way. But let's not
go down that road. It's a question. I think we
need to decide what we're saying yes to and what
(02:29):
we're saying no to. And I think this is the
beginning of a discussion about what our actual vision for
the country over the next two decades looks like.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yeah, this is obviously from Luxon and his State of
the Nation yesterday saying we're just not ambitious enough. Trish
he's saying mining. And we had Shane Jones on this morning.
He's got a big announcement he said thirty first of
January about areas of New Zealand like the Dockland, basically
that we will open up for mining. But we are
used to saying no a little bit here, aren't we.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well I thought it was really interesting that Luxon was
talking to business yesterday, but the real question is is
Wellington listening. I mean, the bureaucracy in Wellington has become
like New Zealand's one giant road cone that just gets
plunked down whenever any progress needs to be made. And
(03:19):
so I think it's a big culture shift in Wellington.
Luxon has nailed a couple of points here. I mean,
we are desperate for growth in New Zealand, but look
at you know, for decades the OIO Overseas Investment Act
has been politicized, so every time someone from overseas wants
to buy a farm or something else, it's major headlines
(03:40):
for months. So we've got to get over ourselves and
open up to the world. But I do have a
bone to pick with you on this, Ryan, because yesterday
Luxon talked about one of the reasons we're hampered in
growth is because we haven't got enough concerts at Eden Park.
I heard you suggest this morning that Helen Clark should
moved to Grayland because she doesn't like the concerts in
(04:03):
easy solution, And let me just say this, Graylan is
not a suburb of wet blankets, nor do we want
to be a suburb of wet blankets. And in fact,
around here, if anyone here's a party going on at night,
you just open the windows and enjoy it, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well there's a suburb. We can see Helen Clark.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I've seen Helen Clark on the Reds. She'd add to
your party, Trisia. So it's no worries in that department.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
It is wild, though, Tim, Isn't it just on the
Eden Park and lax and saying let's open it up
and just let them go for it? Helpful ether if you?
I mean, Eden Park's been around since like nineteen hundred,
it's you know, obviously grown and what it can do
and stuff. But if you've bought a house there, you
know that it's there.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You know, yeah, yeah, it's and look actually was I
was speaking of eating. I was at the Luke Colmbs
concert last week and there were people who'd flown there
from Tasmay because they were missing out on the Aussie concerts.
So I mean he's right in that sense. Then if
you buy a house in eden Park, you know, when
Luke Colmbs is playing, go outside, open a cold one
and suck it up.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Do you know what what this reminded me of was
I went to a speech by one of the government
minister's last year and one of the stats that stuck
out to me was that that new Zealand's pipeline of
major events literally is completely empty, and that that is
not a great thing for New Zealand. But also the
Eden Park thing brings us back to the bigger point
(05:34):
about not being ambitious enough. You know, the cost of
not having an amazing, purpose built stadium that's in an
area where it's you know, good for everyone to be
at you can have a concert seven days a week.
That's our bigger problem here. So you know, we just
we do need to get more ambitious and back.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Ourselves we have. We can't ignore Donald Trump. He's had
a big week obviously returning to the White House. But
you have to admit tim you know, like him or
low them, his politics whatever, He's come in with a plan.
The man has a plan. He obviously had these executive
orders up the wazoo ready to go. He also had
plans to make sure that the civil servants in Washington,
(06:13):
d C. Would enact them and if they don't, that
there'd be consequences.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, and look, I think I think there's a sense
of and you know, we were talking about New Zealand earlier.
What we're seeing from the Trump administration is a kind
of dynamism now you may may not like the direction
it's going in, but at least there's a plan and
there's a sequence of events and orders. And look that
that plethora, what was it, one hundred executive orders signed
(06:41):
after the inauguration. That was a response though to Joe
Biden's what is a blizzard of executive orders that he
signed before he left? I guess my one pause is
sort of like he signed those executive orders at a rally.
So there's a performative nature here, and I think, you know,
you know, with the whole I guess the social media thing.
(07:02):
There's so much performance these days, and particularly in politics,
and I don't you know, you want to do things
because they're the right thing to do. You don't want
to do things because a crowd of people will starts
shouting and cheering your name.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah. I think the reason that he did that particular
stunt was because the whole thing was moved indoors, so
there was no you know, on Capitol Hill. Normally they
have it outside and the big crowds can come and joining.
And I think that was more a response to the
weather than anything else. But I take your point, Trush,
here's a performer. He is a more consummate performer. Trish,
(07:36):
what are your thoughts on Trump's this wig?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, it's wild, isn't it. Every Day you tune in
and you think, Wow, what's going to happen now? I mean,
the performative nature is Trump of Trump is amazing. Everyone
knows they are better prepared this time around. They were
as shambles in twenty seventeen, but they've had all this
time to do the work. As Tim said, whether you
(08:01):
like it or not, a couple of things I think
are interesting. Translating back here to New Zealand, to Tim's
point around the performative nature of things, I had this
thought at the end of last year. It's more of
a plea, probably to our New Zealand politicians to remember
you are in Wellington to make law, not tiktoks. And
(08:21):
and then the other sort of slightly hopeful note I
take out of what Trump has just told the luminaries
that Davos overnight is that this is a revolution of
common sense. And as you know, Ryan, one of my
personal brands is around common sense, or as my husband
would say, more of my right wing clap trap. So
(08:42):
I'm positive, I'm positive this year that we're entering a
revolution of common sense. Bring it on.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
The Other thing you like to harp on about, because
you do have a long list, is being capable capable people,
and you'll love this. Gen Z apparently don't want to
change their own light bulbs. They are quite happy to
outsource DIY tasks, so they will actually pay a professional
(09:12):
to change the light bulbs in their house, raising concerns
about self reliance among young people. Tim, I mean, I'm
not a particularly capable person, but a light bulb.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, yeah, And look, you know there is a mode
here at work. Remember when we used to bag millennials
for being useless, Well, millennials are breathing a sigh of
relief because the algorithm now says it's time to gang
up on gen Z. They can't change a light bulb.
What a bunch of silker bubbers. Actually it was like
one quarter outsourcer. Okay, that's lame, but that means seventy
(09:43):
five percent is still changing their own light bulb. That's
quite good. Maybe they should gang up on the one
quarter who don't want to do it, get over with
the ladder, show them how to go. I don't think
we should succumb to this demographic divide, we are one,
let's unite well, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
That completely ignored the question as usual what I mean
to the broader point. Yes, I value, among among any
everything else, people who are practical and capable and what
I've learned in life and again this is back to
back to a quarter of a century, have been roped
into the great institution of marriage that if you are
(10:18):
not practical and capable in some areas which I am not,
I t for instance, or changing tires, marry someone who is.
It's all about the division of labor.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's why you sit. That's why you have to sit
in cinemas to movies like doing that you don't like
because change the tire.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's no, there's no value exchange in this relationship. You
just you just do stuff as you have to.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Oh, brilliant guys. A great end of the week. Thank
you for that. That is the week with Trish Jerson Cherson,
willisipe R, Tim Wilson The Maximum Institute.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks it'd be from six a m.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Weekdays, or follow the podcast on I Hard Ready Out
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