Full Show Podcast: 02 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Or Squeaky Floor.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcamp, the Resident Builder
on us talk Sead Bay.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
The house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the
grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when the
dog is too old to barn, And when you're sitting
at the table trying not to stop scissor hole, even

(00:44):
when we've a band ball, even when you're there alone,
house sizzle, even when those ghost even when you going

(01:06):
around from the ones you love.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Your mom.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Screamed on broken pains, being in front of.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Locals, visible when they're gone and leaving them even when.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Wilbra Then.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
Even when you're in there alone.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, very very good morning, and welcome along to the
Resident Builder on Sunday. That's with me, Peter wolf Camp,
the Resident Builder. And if you've got a building question,
well this is the place for you. Notice I changed
that slightly. Normally I'd say if you've got a building question,
I've got the answer. Today. Maybe I'm feeling more cautious
around these things. I don't know why. For some reason,

(01:57):
I just feel that you know maybe there isn't always
an answer, or maybe well they should be. It's building.
It's got to stay up right. But if I don't
know the answer, I'll find out for you. Let's put
it that way. So I don't know a moment of
self doubt at the beginning of the show. There, let's
rip into it because this is fast and furious. On
the second of November, we've got a pack show and

(02:18):
we've got to be out of here a little bit
earlier because there's a little thing called the All Blacks,
or a little team called the All Blacks. They're playing
the Irish. They're doing it in Chicago. Actually, good bait
of mine, Ollie is over there watching it as well.
And that's going to kick off literally at nine o'clock,
which means the pre match commentary starts from around eight thirty,

(02:39):
So hard into the show at eight thirty for us,
or just a bit beforehand. The Rid's coming is going
to be available to take your gardening questions. From eight
o'clock this morning, we are talking with Mark Brown. I'll
explain more about Mark Brown and his role with Auckland
Council around construction demolition waste a little bit later on,
but he'll be on from about seven forty five. Jay

(03:00):
our painting expert, is going to join us from Razine
at around seven twenty this morning, So if you have
a painting question, text those through to me. You can
start texting now if you wish, You've got to text
that through by seven twenty five. Which all of this
is just a long winded way of saying, if you've
got a question, don't sort of wander around getting a

(03:24):
cup of tea, walking the dog thinking about it. If
you've got a question, you should call now because it's
going to be, like I say, fast and furious, short
and sharp show this morning. Lots to talk about, lots
happening in the big world of construction. And I'm sure
you've got projects that you want to get cracking. You'd

(03:44):
like to either get them started or they have started
and basically the wheels have fallen off and it's not
going quite the way that you thought, or you've got
to the end of it and maybe it's not looking
quite as good as you hoped it was going to,
or you're looking at the work that other people have
done for you and thinking, gosh, that's not really that

(04:05):
good either. So if you've got a building question, call
me now, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can
text nine two nine two or zbzb from your mobile phone.
But the most important thing to do is just get
on the blower. Give us a call. Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is that number. We're talking all things building

(04:26):
and construction. Trust you've had a good week. The days are,
you know, stretching out. I think I was in the
garden until about quarter to seven last night, just pottering
away doing a few little bits and pieces. Days longer.
If you're commuting around the central city or from the
north shore, be aware that the Auckland Marathon is on today.

(04:46):
So there are some road closures and some diversions, and
a spectacular number of road cones out there this morning,
all of them doing a very very important job. And
I don't say that facetiously. Actually, road cones set out
well to guide traffic are a thing of beauty. I've
come to to realize for myself, and the ones that

(05:09):
were put out today allowed traffic to move safely and
hopefully once the does it start at six or seven?
I think it starts at six. I think the first
runners get away out of Devenport. Actually it goes not
far from my place, thankfully, not down my street. And
there's a neighbor who often comes out and plays the
trumpet to accompany the runners as they go past his house,

(05:31):
which I think is quite a delightful little thing. So
if you're running this morning, or walking, or just generally
sort of mooching along because you want the chance to
get over the Harbor Bridge, then I hope it goes
very very well for you and for those of us
moving around the city. You just got to be a
little bit considerate and cognizant of the fact that some
roads are closed. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty though,

(05:54):
is the number to call. Plenty happening in the big
wide world of building, Lots of legislation changes, Lots of
what I've noticed is now that the granny flat legislation
has been passed. Hasn't become law yet, by the way,
but it has been passed. It's on its way. Lots
of interest in that, and lots of sort of words

(06:16):
of caution from some of the professional bodies associated with
building controls and building regulations and building standards. So New
Zealand Institute of Building surveyors have sort of issued a
couple of cautions. I subscribe to a sort of building
group called the Building Hub. They issued a statement the
other day through their chief executive I suppose founder, just saying, hey, look,

(06:40):
it's not law yet. You can't build these yet. If
a client rings up and says, can you do me
seventy square meters in the backyard, you know, can I
do that right now? Well, no, not yet. It is
on its way. And also there's still and I talked
about this last week a little bit, you still have
to prove that it's compliant with the building code. Typically

(07:02):
we do that by getting a building consent. But if
you don't need to get a building concent how are
you going to prove compliance with the building code? Should
you be asked about it? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
The lines are open. That's the number to call. Like
I say, a slightly sort of squeezed show this morning,
So let's have no hesitation. If you've got a question,

(07:22):
call me out, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident
builder with Peter Wolfcat call oh, eight hundred eighty ten
eighty uth TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Your news talks HEB. Of course, if you've got a question,
you can also text it through. That's nine two nine two.
And if you've got a specific painting question, our painting
expert Jay Sharples from Razine will be with us from
seven to twenty five, So any specific painting questions, fire
them through or like this text to hey. Pet is
finger jointed shiplap pine cladding long lasting from ron So

(07:58):
Shiplap or not shiplap. Finger jointed pine is a way
of essentially making a long board out of a series
of shorter boards off and the pieces are about three
hundred millimeters long, and then they go through a process
where the en grain is finger jointed, so literally grooved
and then glued together to create a longer board. And

(08:22):
sometimes there's a bit of reluctance from people saying, well,
if I've got five meter board and it's made up
of a whole bunch of pieces that are about three
hundred milimeters long, what's going to happen to that. Typically,
the only times that I've seen it deteriorate is when
people have let the paint system go. So if it's
needed a paint and it hasn't had a paint, then

(08:43):
potentially you'll see a little bit of movement. But the
way in which the glues, the glues that they use,
the way in which it's constructed, it's actually a really
really strong joint. And I'd probably suggest to you in
many cases that if you took a board like that
and tried to break it, it would probably break in the
timber rather than in the finger joint. So again, if

(09:04):
it's from a reputable supply and you continue to maintain
the paint system on it, I've never experienced a failure
with it. So some people prefer to buy the long
lengths of BOARDM just trying to think. The last weather
boards that I put up were probably not finger jointed.
But at the same time, if it's there and it's

(09:26):
an option, and maybe it's affordable, I don't know that
I have too many hesitations around using It might be
different if it's clear finished, but if it's painted absolutely oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got a
question of a building nature, like I say, it's going
to be a short and sharp show this morning. Got
plenty of time for you right now. But from about
seven point thirty this morning. We will be talking painting,

(09:48):
then we'll be talking waste and construction demolition. The reason
for my focus on this and if you look at
my social media and that sort of thing. I did
a bit of an interview with Brands this week actually
for an article that will appear in their magazine the
couple of weeks or months time, talking about building in general,

(10:11):
but also talking a lot about construction and demolition waste.
I was at the co Lab twenty five conference in
Hamilton on Wednesday. Co Lab is kind of an association
of people that are involved in off site manufacture and
a new acronym that I learned picked up at at
the seminars MMC. This is the new buzzword out there

(10:33):
in the whole building world MC Modern methods of Construction,
Modern methods of Construction had Actually it was a great conference,
reasonable amount of energy in the space, lots of incredibly
innovative people looking at all sorts of I suppose alternatives

(10:53):
to how we typically build in New Zealand. So typically
if you drive around most subdivisions, you'll see a concrete
slab go down. You'll see some timber framing arrive, which
is fine. It gets stood up, the mid floor gets
built in place, some second floor framing might arrive, or increasingly,
with three level dwellings, another lot of mid floor, then

(11:17):
some more frames, then some trusses arrive, then some perlins
go on, and eventually some roofing underlay, and eventually a
roof goes on, and then the building gets wrapped, and
maybe the joinery goes in, and then the cladding begins,
et cetera, et cetera. Or this modern methods of construction
and the off site construction means that perhaps entire components
or segments of a house arrive with building wraps on them,

(11:41):
with exterior cladding on them, potentially even with windows installed,
and then they're assembled on site. The roof might even
come as a component. So what we're looking at is
speed to enclosure, because having our frame sitting there in
the rain and the wind moving, stretching, absorbing moisture and
so on generally not such a good thing. So if

(12:04):
we're doing conventional building, we're still always rushing to get
closed and as quickly as possible. So imagine if something
comes from the factory, off site manufacture to site and
it's already wrapped and it's already where the proof and
you can build quicker. That's got to be an advantage.
So that was the nature of the conversations at Collab
twenty five, and my thanks to the organizers of that

(12:27):
for inviting me to come along and enjoy some of
that conversation. It was quite remarkable. Also got talking with
some people about waste minimization, waste and just the sheer
volume that's going to landfill. So that's what the focus
is about. How is it that we're about. It's quite possible,

(12:48):
depending on which metric you use, that about seventy percent
of the content of material going to landfill now comes
from construction and demolition, which is just a vast contribution
to it. So all this discussion about landfills and people
wanting to find new space for lands, people wanting to

(13:08):
existing operators who say, well, look, we're going to reach
capacity soon, we're going to need to make an application
for a resource consent to extend that, and possibly that
extension pushes us closer to existing residential properties, and then
people in those residential properties go, well, hang on, I'm
sort of aware that it's out there now. I certainly
don't want it any closer to me, then you've got

(13:30):
an issue going. Well, if we can't figure out ways
of reducing the volume that's going to landfill, the only
answer is going to be that we keep extending the
number of landfills. And I don't think anyone really I
don't have an I actually don't have an opposition to landfills.
I think in the end, I don't actually believe in
zero waste. And I know that's popular at the moment,

(13:54):
I don't think it's achievable, and I think it's disingenuous
to promote something that you can't do, because I just
don't think you can. But do we need to do
something about struction, demolition waste. Absolutely so. In the brand's article,
I just said, look, I think the days of just
putting everything in a skip or into your trailer and

(14:14):
taking it to landfill in terms of construction waste is over. Anyway.
That generated a fair amount of response, as you can imagine.
But we'll be talking about that with Mark Roberts from
Orkland Council, who, like all councils around the country, are
looking at innovation and ideas around what can we do
to encourage people to reduce the amount of construction waste.

(14:34):
And we're not just talking recycling. We're also talking about,
you know, being smarter about what you order, about when
it arrives on site, maybe about the products that you select,
ones that have options for a life after their initial use.
There are some products that you can't literally do anything
with the offcuts or the waste apart from send it

(14:57):
to landfill. And there are other construction items that you can.
If you've got some offcuts and some waste, inevitably it's there,
you've got a lot for it after that. So we
can talk about that on the show as well. Six
twenty four at Newstalk cetb Um. Just a quick text

(15:18):
from Daniel High. I just use building paper in a shed,
then afterwards saw that the warranty is void if not
internally lined. Do I have to now internally line? At
what's the risk if I don't line the shed? Now, Daniel,
in the end, it's a shed, right, So I would
probably if I was building a shed, I would wrap

(15:39):
some building rap around my frames before I put my
exterior cladding on. And if you I think what the
manufacturers are saying is that it's not designed for long
term exposure to the it won't be exposed to the elements.
It's just if it's on the inside and it's not lined,
it will perform differently over the next twenty years. But

(16:00):
that's not your concern. I think for a shed, I
think putting a building wrap around the side of your frames,
putting your cladding on, and if you decide not to
line the inside of the shed, it's well, it's just
not going to matter. So I get what the manufacturer
is saying. If it was used in a building consent

(16:21):
situation or whether there was a warranty claim that was
likely to come, I get it. It's not designed to
be exposed. But in your instance, I wouldn't be too
concerned about it. But I think it's a good idea
to put building wrap around your timber frames. I presume
it's timber when you're building a shed, so I don't
have a problem with that. In another well, it's not

(16:42):
going to be a quick one, but we might get
onto this a little bit later on. From Michelle, please,
can you explain about the new minor dwellings. How much
land do you need to put one on? We have
five acres with semi rural and Rama. Rama also explained,
do we need to put an extra sewage system or
hook up to the current We have plenty of water
in our tanks. There also, will there be different rules

(17:05):
for semi rural properties than in the city. In a nutshell,
I think your property sounds like the ideal property to
have a minor dwelling attached to it, and possibly one
that you don't need to worry about getting a building
consent for. So you've got plenty of land, so there's
not going to be an issue around site coverage. Right.

(17:28):
Do you need to put in an extra sewage system, Well,
that will be determined by your drain layer, who obviously
understands what the capacity of your existing system is and
will be able to tell you one extra toilet and
possibly a handbasin, kitchen, a shower and so on. These

(17:48):
things will either overwhelm your system, in which case it's
you know, it's to your benefit to make sure that
adding a minor dwelling isn't going to overwhelm your septic system,
so they can determine that, determine whether or not the
volume is sufficient, and if you could go ahead and
add to it. So I think if you get sign
off from your plumber to say, hey, look, your system's fine,

(18:12):
this spare capacity. We can hook up an extra toilet.
Then you can go for it. In terms of water, well,
again that's kind of up to you. Now do you
have sufficient water now and do you think that you'll
be able to cope with an extra person having a
shower or an extra family maybe having a shower. And
if that's the case, then you can go for it.
So that and it will le be different rules for

(18:32):
semi rule. What it might be is that local councils
will have different rules and regulations around what's a permitted
activity in your particular area. So you're still once this
actually comes into law, you're still going to need to
inform counsel of your intention to build, and potentially council

(18:52):
will be able to say to people, know, you can't
build in that area, and for any number of different reasons.
It might be overwhelming the services that we've already got.
It might be site coverage, it might be flood zones,
it might be any number of things. So you still
need to present some details, take it to counsel, and
council will determine whether or not you can actually build there.

(19:14):
What they're just talking about is whether or not you
need to get a building consent for works under seventy
square meters that's now a habitable space. So that's where
we're heading. Do you research because you know, it's not
like the rules don't apply. That seems to be the
consistent message from all of the professional groups. Hey, let's

(19:36):
not let people think that somehow the rules don't apply.
They still do. It is six twenty eight here in
news Talk almost six twenty nine. Actually, Warren, good morning
to you, sir.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
Good morning. I'm putting the garden shed in soon and
just wondering what sort of installation I should put it
in because I don't really want condensation on the other
side of the roof.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Right, simply do a building underlay or roofing underlay. So
that's a little bit challenging. For example, if you've gone
and bought, you know, like a Kitset garden shed, that
maybe is in some cases the roofs are self supporting,
so you've done your four walls, you drop the roof

(20:17):
down on top, and there's no peerlins or anything like that.
It's really hard to drape roofing underlay over that. But
if for example, you're what sort of shed are you building?

Speaker 6 (20:29):
It's a color still cladding with wooden frame inside.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Okay, perfect. So once you've done your framing and you've
framed your roof structure, and there'll be some pearlins, whether
they're nogged in between the rafters or whether they sit
over the top of the rafters. Before you do your
actual long run iron over the top of it, make
sure that you do a roofing underlay. That underlay should

(20:53):
extend outside of the building so that it drops into
the spouting and you know, make sure that it's nice
and taunt if typically, if the span of the rafters
is about sort of not up to nine hundred mili,
the paper will be self supporting because what and this
gets a bit tricky On a really low pitch roof,

(21:16):
obviously the paper can sag a little bit. So what
you don't want is the paper sagging so that water
any condensation that drops onto their pools on there. So
you just got to make sure on a low pitch
roof either add in some extra nogging or some support
to make sure that the building paper doesn't give any SAgs.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
Thanks very much, Peter, all right, no trouble and.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
By all means put building wrap around the exterior frames
before you put your lining on it as well. And
if like our earlier texture, it says, hey, look there's
no warranty on it because it's designed to be lined.
I get that, but in this instance I wouldn't be
too concerned about it. The benefit of having the lining
far out weighs, you know, any potential failure down the track.

(22:02):
So thank you for wrap the whole thing out at all.
The best, Take care on all the best. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Paul,
Good morning, Good.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
Morning, Peter sales, house sales. The weekend so.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, actually I was in the garden till about almost
seven o'clock last night, and it was quite delightful. I mean,
this is where you know, the longer days and all
the rest of it is.

Speaker 8 (22:26):
Awesome, absolutely, yeah, pleasant, pleasant, not.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
So hot compared to these Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
A few weeks.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yes, now I've got help.

Speaker 8 (22:36):
Got a quick question really looking at putting in like
a one of these dvs or HRV sort of ventilation
systems into the home, and I get I've got single
pane windows, two story bricantile units, just getting condensation on
the windows in the winter. So in the mornings I

(22:56):
tend to spend like fifteen minutes wiping all the windows down.
Here's quite quite a lot of them.

Speaker 9 (23:00):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 8 (23:03):
I wanted to try and avoid that in the mornings.
I don't get any old or anything around the windows.
As soon as I wipe them all down, I open
all the windows up, let the air flow through. And
when I you know, in an hour's time, hour and
a half time, when I'm ready to get to work,
I close all the windows again. Say it's flowing through
the place. Everything's nice and dry sort of thing. As
soon as I do that, But I still want to

(23:26):
try and avoid that condensation over the night. Really the
place is a little bit cold sometimes, but not overly cold.
I've got a heat a single heat pump in the
lounge which does a great job. It's just really the
condensation on the windows. And I was just looking at
these two systems at the Oklahome show, which was great.

(23:48):
So I was just thinking, you know, have you had
any experience or these type of systems before?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yep, I have. Can I also just compliment you for
a moment, So when you said, look, I've got the condensation,
but I don't have the mold.

Speaker 10 (24:05):
Yeap.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
The reason you don't have the mold is because you're
doing the right thing in response to the issue that
you've got right. So going you know, making sure that
you deal with the moisture, and that must be to
some degree of bit frustrating. So you get up there's
condensation on the inside of the windows. Rather than ignoring it,
you do the right thing and remove that moisture and

(24:27):
then by opening up the windows and allowing the house
to ventilate. Is just it's such a simple action that
we can all do every day, regardless of whether we
have moisture and condensation inside our houses or not. And
I know, funnily enough, listening to Kerry sometimes in the
mornings and her producer who happens to come from Germany,

(24:47):
there's like a specific German word for this, which is
when you get up, you open the doors right and
allow fresh air into the house. And so you're doing
exactly that, and that's helping your house stay healthy, which
is awesome in terms of the benefits of some sort
of ventilation system. Absolutely it will make a difference what

(25:08):
I increase. I think what we're seeing too. In the
space is a tremendous amount of innovation and development, right,
So some of the earlier sort of home ventilation systems
that were there tended to recirculate air from inside the
roof space, and there's a lot of talk about well,

(25:29):
it's nice and warm up there, so you can capture
that free hot air and blow that into your house
and it will help heat your house up, and those
sorts of things. I've never been too focused on that,
And speaking personally, I've got a system like that that
I've had for about twenty years in the house, and
when it reaches the end of its life, I will

(25:50):
look to recycle part of that. But I'd like to
go for a system that draws air from outside of
the house, filters it a little bit, and then pushes
it into the house, and then expels air to the
outside of the house. Because essentially the systems where you're
just where that's where you're drawing air, let's say, from

(26:13):
a contained space, and you're pushing it into the house,
and you're not actively extracting it and directing it somewhere.
You're reliant on your house leaking i e. Gaps and
cracks around windows and doors and so on for that
air to go out. So if once you start looking

(26:34):
at the detail of whatever ventilation system you're going to
put in, I think, what would be really key for
the systems that I'll be looking for in the future.
I'll be looking for one that draws from outside and
then expels to outside. I think that's really cool.

Speaker 8 (26:50):
Okay, yeah, these two systems. One of them, you know,
obviously takes it from the attic, which is HIV, and
DVS draws air in from outside and then circulates it
through the house. But none of them actually vent the
air like a like a bathroom fan or anything like that.
So they just bring air in and let it sit there.

(27:12):
I mean, I suppose you'll need to open windows and
things like that to let the air out.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
To older houses tend to just older houses tend to
just leak air because they're not terribly air tight.

Speaker 8 (27:23):
So you know, yeah, places like that, when you do
close the windows, I can some feel the air coming
through a single plane You've got, you know, the the
joinery and stuff like that, so you know, it's it's
that's maybe also a reason why I don't always always
get the mold and stuff around there is that I
can always feel a little bit of a draft coming

(27:44):
through and it's you know, it's not not entirely sealed,
but I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
That's where it is. And you know, these these kind
of there's quite a range of products are available now.
So you know, the more straightforward systems, you know, might
be in the three four thousand dollars range, it's probably
quite difficult to retro for some of the more high
performance units, right which have a heat exchanger as part

(28:11):
of them. They direct dry air from outside into what
we call dry spaces inside a house, and then they'll
pick up moist air from spaces like kitchens, bathrooms, and laundries.
So what they're doing is if you imagine a situation
where dry air is pumped into dry parts of the house,

(28:32):
and as the pressure builds up, it pushes that air
to wet spaces or moist spaces within the house, damp
spaces in the house, and then from there it's extracted.
And that air that's extracted because it's got moisture in it,
it's got a little bit of heat in it as well,
it's got a bit of energy in it. That energy
gets extracted by the heat exchanger and then the bulk

(28:53):
of it gets extracted to outside, so you're not causing drafts.
But those systems typically a little bit difficult to retro
fit without doing major work to the house. Fantastic to
do if you're doing a new bill, and and typically
tend to be in the you know, almost ten grand
sort of bracket.

Speaker 8 (29:11):
So yeah, yeah, the the HIVNDVS systems looks like it's
going to be in the four grand range. But like
I say, there are two different systems, and I'm trying
to determine which one, you know, in that range price range,
which one would be sort of look at it and
entering air from the attic or drawing air from the outside, you.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Know, I've I'm sure that people that provide the systems
will say, look, you can heat your house with it.
I actually think that that claim is I've never relied
on it, right, So, I think there is a benefit
of having air movement. I think there's a benefit, like

(29:49):
there is a benefit having air movement and so on.
But I think and I think both of those systems
that you've mentioned now do have systems that draw air
from outside, and I think there's a real advantage to that, right,
so that's what I would be looking at.

Speaker 11 (30:04):
Me.

Speaker 8 (30:04):
I'm not looking at it for heat heating, keep no
at all. It's just really just the condensation part of it.
So I'm hoping one of those systems would sort of
cater for that, and then I'm determining which one is
the better during air from outside or in the attics
sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
So my preference would be to look at a system
that draws air from outside and expels to outside as well.

Speaker 8 (30:26):
Right, Okay, lovely to chat, great, excellent, thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Nice to talk to you. All the very best. Go
by then, Paul your news talks, it'd be we're talking
all things building and construction. And it's not just the
construction part of it, it's then the sort of the
operating manual for the house as well. And again wanting
to not wanting to stretch the point, but you know,
if you've been to a house that there's you know,
mold on the windowsills, and that then or that amount

(30:53):
of moisture starts to cause decay, et cetera, et cetera.
Typically these things don't happen overnight. Right, In many cases,
they happen because for whatever reason, people don't then manage
the situation that they've got. So if you're in a
house that, for whatever reason generates condensation and that condensation

(31:15):
remains unattended to, then you're likely to get mold later on,
and you're likely to get decay in timber and sashes
and those sorts of things. So if you've got the problem,
you've got to actually solve the problem or you've got
to deal with it. But it has to be active.
And I think you know that someone will text through
the name in a moment. There's a specific German word

(31:38):
that they have, which is basically, get up in the morning,
open the doors and windows. You know, maybe not in
extreme weather, but by and large, just do that for
ten minutes, fifteen minutes, open the house up, and then
go off and do what you need to do for
the day. I think it's great advice. Six forty one.
Here at Newstalks there'd be a bunch of texts coming through.
But I'd love you calls as well. I wait, hundred

(31:58):
eighty ten eighty is the number measured.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
WI God was, But maybe call Pete first, for you
all gave the resident builder talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
When his talks he'd be the lines are open, and
the number is eight hundred and eighty eight eleven. The
ticks as well, and we'll get onto those in just
a moment. Robert, good morning, Good morning, sir.

Speaker 12 (32:18):
Very well, we've got a new old nineteen sixties house. Yep,
one hundred and thirty squares.

Speaker 10 (32:27):
Best of block.

Speaker 12 (32:29):
Oh yeah, the roof is still wearing the roofs still
wearing lead head nails.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (32:36):
It's a it's an iron roof, and it's got.

Speaker 12 (32:41):
Stains of moss and rubbers seem to be like they're
baked on.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (32:47):
And the house is on sort of several levels, so
it's not.

Speaker 10 (32:50):
Easy to access.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Sure the roof.

Speaker 12 (32:53):
First question, how do we clean it short of getting
up there and scrubbing it? And the second question would
be how much do you think it had cost the
painted Ah?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Okay, in terms of clean Obviously, access is your biggest challenge, right,
So professionals who do this will have harnesses and rigging
systems and that sort of thing. So they'll get up there,
they'll they'll scoot around on it, but they'll at least
be harnessed. So whether that's something you feel confident doing

(33:24):
or whether you'd hand it over I had some guys do.
She got picked up during a final inspection a little
while ago on an older property where we were trying
to it was a durability issue.

Speaker 10 (33:34):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Long story, but the council made a request that I
have the roof treated, and so the contractors that I
used actually ended up using wet and forget right, okay,
and on the lichen it works right, So they get
up there they did it, and it was funny because
I was at the site when we started the project,

(33:58):
and because I'd noticed on the report that the council
had asked for the roof to be treated. I took
some photographs of the lichen that that had developed on
the long run roof. It was a painted roof as well,
and then about I don't know a month after the treatment,
I took some photographs of the same part. It hadn't disappeared,
but it was certainly dying right. So short answer, wit

(34:21):
and forget on the roof. It might need more than
one application. The challenges.

Speaker 12 (34:28):
Really just stand back and.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Spray it pretty much. If you can do it with
a long lance or something like that and do it safely,
do that you might might take a little while. Then
you would do a roof wash. You'd do a primer
and a top coat. And again, paint's good for roofs, right,
so I would go paint over you know, some sort

(34:51):
of membrane or something like that. And then in terms
of painting it, I mean I've painted roofs myself, but
probably when I was a much younger man and I
didn't mind being up there. I'm not doing it, Okay,
keep guys scaffolding. No guys that do it all of

(35:14):
the time will have the right safety gear. So again,
just in terms of this, access to a roof doesn't
immediately require each protection. What you need to do is
be able to say I've got a system in place
that looks after the people doing the work right. And
if through your health and safety procedure, you've determined that

(35:34):
I can operate on this roof safely by using a
harness and a and a long line, and I've got
an anchor point and all of those sorts of things,
then that's that's fine, right. That's how contractors will operate.

Speaker 12 (35:45):
Someone tells me six grand for scaffolding, it's going to
be a bubber.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Don't only if your contractor says, I need scaffolding in
order to do the job safely. But there there's plenty
of contractors who will do re re cooting, thank you,
without needing scaffolding, because if you're up there for a
short period of time, that's fine. I mean, again, on
the project that I was managing a little while ago,

(36:10):
we had to do some minor building works on the
second floor, so the guys, the carpenters, were on the
roof and then you know that it was a little
bit time consuming. They're going to be up there for
quite a while. It wasn't practical to have them harnessed
in order for them to be safe, to ensure that
if they did slip, they wouldn't fall off the roof.

(36:30):
So in that instance, I got edge protection around the
roof and that was the safest, simplest thing to do.
But you don't have to do it, thank you, all right,
more the best three to five grand something like that,
including the paint, maybe four to six grand generally. I mean,

(36:55):
the guys that I've had to do it, it's not
I mean, you've got to make sure they do the
preparation right, Okay, So if someone just rocks up and
paints the roof. Then you know it's not going to last.
If they turn up, they do a bit of water blasting,
they spot prime any areas that need it, and then
they do a really good coat of nice you know,
summit roof or something like that. Then yeah, it's it's

(37:19):
always about preparation, right.

Speaker 12 (37:22):
So if you're employing someone who was up there with
a water blast, you probably wouldn't need wouldn't forget.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
No, because I would still want to treat the mold
because it's killing the actual mold and also like it's
really hard to remove with a water blaster, Like you've
got to be up there for a long time. So
you know, think about staging this project over a couple
of months. First thing is do the roof treatment, get
rid of the moss and mold, let the chemicals with
the product do its work, allow that to dissolve. Clean

(37:51):
the roof thoroughly with a water blast or a treatment,
and then app you know, whatever preparation you need to
do in a top coat. All right, mate, get some
that's the best way, all right, all the best, thank you,
But it is ten that's away from seven doing.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Other house storting the guard and ask Pete for a
hand the resident builder with Peter wolfcap call.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Oh, eight hundred us dogs some fantastic. That's an interesting
one about avoiding the warranty on the color steel. I
will look into that. Thank you very much for that
text though. That's that's very interesting. One hundred square meter

(38:36):
of roof deco tiles. Three quotes to clean and spray
paint all about six grand. I'm going to go DIY
paints about eight hundred bucks. Mate has the spray gear
all right, as long as you're safe up there, and
maybe you've had a crack at it before, Hey, look,
give it a go. M getting a bunch of texts

(38:57):
with regard to our painting questions, which is awesome because
Jay from Razine will be along with us at around
seven twenty five. Also another text, can you please pass
on to the last caller or the one just before
so to Paul that I've got an HRV and my
one hundred year old character home never had condensation once.
It's brilliant. I live in Hamilton too, so it does.

(39:18):
It does get a little bit cold and frosty. That's awesome,
thank you very much, and I quite genuinely I don't
mind the people that text and to correct me on
my pronunciation or my grammar. Hey, Pete, remember one roof
two roofs. Roofs never roofs, so it's roofs not roofs.

(39:40):
There you go, Thank you very much. I appreciate that, right.
Quick question for you, Johnny, how are you?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (39:46):
Good?

Speaker 10 (39:47):
I'm like you.

Speaker 13 (39:48):
I enjoy the older houses. Yeah, to say, seventy six
six years old? So what's the story on the Is
any olderations been on the how they used to run
their drains through through other other state houses and join up.
There's been in your operation to that. I think it

(40:08):
was four C on that Housing Corporation Act.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I mean, you're always going to have situations where drainage
will intersect through another property in some cases because not
every single property has a public line either running through
it or adjacent to it. So it's I guess it's
less an issue in newer subdivisions, where you know, these

(40:36):
things are planned and everyone is able to sort of
go to the edge of their property and connect into
a public line. But in older areas, it's not uncommon
to have your private drainage running through in some cases.
Now that's been I'm aware of a situation or a
couple of situations, for example in Auckland where where it

(40:57):
was private drainage, it's then been inspected by council and
vested to council where it intersects and go through a
neighboring property. If that's what might be happening for you, Yeah,
so in that sense, Look, I think with a lot
of these things there there will be some cases easements
on the title or there are rights and responsibilities. But

(41:19):
it's interesting to see more and more councils actually sort
of taking responsibility for that once they've done the survey
and going okay, well it's not your drainage, it's your neighbors,
but we'll look after it. So that's interesting. Back after
the news at seven.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
O'clock, whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or
wondering how to fix that hole in the wall, give
Peter wolf Gabber call on eighty the resident builder on
news dogs'b right.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yoh, we've got a couple of calls to get through
before we are going to be talking to Bryce. Not Bryce,
it's Jay today. Jay Sharple's from Razine is our painting
expert we're going to be talking with him at about
seven twenty five. Might have time for a couple of
extra text questions on painting, but in general I think
we're pretty full board there. Then at a round a

(42:06):
quarter to eight, I want to catch up with Mark Roberts,
who is kind of head of waste management, let's say,
or for Auckland Council. And last week we spoke with
doctor Terry and Barry who's heavily involved in sort of
investigations into and seeking solutions for construction and demolition waste.

(42:28):
And I say we we, as builders, contractors, people involved
in construction, we contribute a fast amount to waste right
and to the amount of material that goes to landfill.
In fact, it's thought that is possibly as much as
seventy percent of the volume of material going to landfill

(42:49):
comes from demolition and construction. And you know, we're a
part of the economy, but we're not seventy percent of it,
and yet we contribute seventy percent to landfill. So I
think there's some challenges there, and obviously individual contractors have
a role to play. Government has a role to play,
Local government has role to play. So we'll be talking
to Mark Roberts from Auckland councilor around seven forty five

(43:11):
this morning, after the news at eight o'clock, so in
about an hour's time, we will bring RUD on to
talk all things gardening. I certainly want to ask them
a couple of questions about these yellow legged hornets that
have arrived in the country. What can we do about it.
I've seen a couple of sort of DIY traps that

(43:32):
people are advocating we should be doing in order to
try and trap them before they get established. And there's
growing concern that this population might get established. So hoping
RUD can bring a little bit of science to that
question as well. And then at around eight thirty we'll
hand over to our sports commentary team ahead of the
All Blacks v. Island match that will be held in Chicago.

(43:56):
Just quickly too. Another thing that I was involved in
the last week or so, so the guys that run
the local Hamma Hardware in my town down Demport. One
of them reached out and said, look, we've got a
bunch of paint that's left over. It's new, it's never
been opened, but we need to move it on. We
don't need it in the store. Anymore. Do you know

(44:18):
someone who could use it? Well, yes, I do so
the guys from Devenport Hamma Hardware. I went and picked
it up, put a load in the back of the ute,
went on down to Habitat for Humanity to their restore
store in Ormiston Road in Eastommachy and Auckland dropped it
off there. They can either use it in the store,
they can use it on their Healthy Homes programs and

(44:40):
their renovation programs that they run. But my thanks to
Trevor and the team at Devenport Hammer Hardware for thinking
about a better use than maybe just kind of binning
it or something like that. So credit to you guys.
Really appreciate that and happy to help out in those
instances as well. So again my thanks to Trevor and

(45:02):
the team at Devenport Hammer Hardware. Nine minutes after seven Ellison,
good morning, Hello, Pey, tell me I'm very well Ellison, Well.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeap, yep, fighting f Hey, we are looking at rejuvenating
our joinery. Yes, and we've started talking to Nano Clear. Yes,
And I just wondered if you had any advice or

(45:36):
experience on the y A couple of other companies that
are out there we've had a few quotes and they
do very quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
So just before we take the plunge, I thought I
would chicken with you and see if you can give
any advice.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah, sure, okay, as it happens. I know Dan who
with his wife run Nano Clear. I've actually been to
a job that they've they were halfway through, so I've
seen the preparation work that they do. I've seen the
end result. I've known them for a couple of years.
I don't have any formal engagement with them, but I'd

(46:15):
be quite happy to say to you, I think if
you're looking for a really good job, you just.

Speaker 9 (46:19):
Stick with them.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Awesome, thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
And that's based on my own experience of having seen it,
knowing a bit about them and the company and how
they approach it and that sort of thing. So again,
I mean, by all means look for other quotes, but
I'd have no trouble saying nan Clear will job.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Well we have and one of them is just astronomically more. Yeah,
makes you wonder, But no, I've heard good things and
I've heard you mentioned before, and I just sort of
give you a quick call and that's marvelous. You've put
our minds at rest.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I hope it goes well. Lovely, thank you and you too,
take care of them. Bobby Andy, greetings, thank you, Good morning, Peter,
Good morning, sir.

Speaker 7 (47:04):
And I just wanted to say I'm a resident of
Bayswater Barrissage Street. And on Monday, that's tomorrow, the digner
is across the road and they go to demolish the.

Speaker 10 (47:21):
House.

Speaker 7 (47:21):
Yes, what are the council regulations regarding demolition of a house?

Speaker 10 (47:28):
Now?

Speaker 7 (47:28):
The house is full of asbestos and we've had no
communication from the actual contractors. The diggers arrived on the Friday,
and we want to know what is happening. Is there
a traffic management plan? And you'd be interested to have.

Speaker 10 (47:48):
A look at this house.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
It's going to be five units, I understand it's going to.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Be put up, pretty typical for redevelopment areas generally with
and actually not far from where you're talking about, and
we're not going to make the show charribly local, but
on Lake Road, close to Esmond Road, there was a
sort of nineteen thirties house that was removed recently ahead
of obviously a development going on on that site. And

(48:17):
what I noticed is that initially they took down a
wall to get access to the site, they put up
the site fencing to secure the site, and then they
had a team that obviously had a survey done which
determined that there was some asbestos or some ACM in there.
Then they had a specialist team come in and remove
all of that material prior to general demolition coming along.

(48:41):
So if you've got some genuine concerns around whether or
not there is asbestos in the building, I guess the
thing to do would be to approach the site. If
they've already set up their site fencing, for example, they
should have a hazard board on the outside, which will
also have the name of the personal responsible for health
and safety on the site. I would phone them and say,

(49:05):
no hesit, Okay.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
Defense is up, but there's no and the bigger is
on site. Yeah, but there's no notice. And I think
they should advise all the neighbors as well.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yeah, I'm not necessarily going to say that they need
to advise all of the neighbors, but what they definitely
do need to have is they obviously need to have
a health and safety plan in place. They also, I
think anyone would say that an older house, there is
a high likelihood that there will be asbestos in the house, right,
so at the very least they should have had a

(49:39):
survey done. And if you have a concern, then you will,
you know, I think it's fair to go, hey, look,
I can see that you're going to do the work.
Can you provide me, as someone who's likely to be
affected by this, with evidence that you've had an asbestos
survey done. Now, I think at that time if they

(50:00):
say we haven't done it, or we don't think there
is or whatever, when I would probably be inclined to
phone council and ask one of their maybe their pollution
hotline team. So don't go through general counsel, go straight
to what they call their pollution hotline and just inform

(50:21):
them of your concerns. But let's say when you if
you did approach them, they said, yes, we've had an
asbestos survey done. Here is the survey results. We've had
an independent asbestos specialists come survey the site. They've determined
that there's no asbestos here. Well, then you know, but

(50:42):
it's got to be independent, right, And if they're hedging
that or they say no, we haven't had a survey done.
I like if I was in charge of that job,
given the age of the house, I think I would
get a survey done, right. I think it's realistic to
do that. So if they've done the survey and they've

(51:03):
got controls in place, then that's cool. If they've done
the survey which found that there was ACM, but they're
still just going to tackle it all with a digger,
that's not the right approach, right, So I would expect
to see a specialist team arrive. They'll remove the asbestos,
they'll have the area checked by This is part of
the rules now. It gets checked by an independent third

(51:24):
party to determine that there's been no contamination of the site.
Once they issue a statement saying it's safe and not contaminated,
then general demolition can can go ahead ahead.

Speaker 7 (51:36):
Okay, well, thank you for that's quite right. Curious to
see what happens tomorrow morning.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Andy, I might just get you to chat with Isaiam,
my producer, and if you've give them the number of
the property on Beresford, I might have a little drive
by them away home today. Yes, you're still on the line,
Please just just hold on the line there. We'll get
their details on that. Wait, one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. We've got a bunch
of painting questions which is awesome, a couple of texts

(52:05):
with regard to actually one on development which is interesting,
and in fact even Andy's call there.

Speaker 10 (52:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I mean, this is a house that's going to be removed, right,
and this happens across the country all of the time.
I would like to think that there was some sort
of care and consideration as to what's going to happen
with the waste materials or with the materials that are
about to become waste. But I would be naive to
think that anything other than a machine just literally crunching

(52:35):
it down, maybe peeling off the roof and putting the
iron aside, but generally all of the timber, all of
the materials will just get smashed down with an arm
on the digger, driven over a few times to crush
it up so that it fits into the back of
a truck easy, and it'll just get trucked off to
landfill or possibly to a site where God forbid, they'll

(52:57):
just light a fire and burn it right. Whereas case
in point, it's just a rocking waste of materials. I
know that there's a cost involved and maybe not. And
I'm not saying that every single piece of that house
could be reused, recycled, repurposed and all the rest of it.
But even if the timber was stripped out and sent

(53:19):
for timber recycling, in the very least it would divert
it from landfill, right and it could get chipped or
and turned into mulchu or whatever. But yeah, the thing
is someone they will they'll just drive a digger through it,
which is a bloody waste. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

(53:41):
eighty quick text. When is it time to say enough
is enough to developing suburbs? They mentioned Stonefields in Auckland.
Now we hear that the last two remaining open spaces
are also going to get developed. What the concept of
a sponge city is well and truly gone and will
all improbability flood in future from canter No, not necessarily,

(54:02):
And I'd point your attention to the Northcote development where
there's been massive amount of intensification as well as a
really really well designed, well executed flood mitigation plan that
worked exceptionally well. During the January twenty three floods, and
we're seeing an additional forty thousand homes going into that area.

(54:23):
But because they've put the time and effort into the
flood prevention details, it worked quite well. So I think,
you know, we are going to see more development and
if it's done well, you can manage these things. And
then we had a bit of a chat around the
granny flat legislation for one of a better term. Hey
read the additional tiny homes of the kitchen toilet. Won't

(54:45):
this also change your this change or this addition to
your property affect your weights, rates, water discharge, et cetera,
et cetera. Yes, that's quite possible as well. So undoubtedly
you know council once they have been informed and you
must inform them through a PYM a Project information memorandum

(55:05):
that there will be a new dwelling on the property,
it will affect your rates and they may also request
a reserve contribution fee of some description. So again it's
not like there's no rules. Oh wait, one hundred and
eighty ten eighty. We'll take a call a bit later on.
I think we're going to jump into chatting with Jay
in just a moment. We've got some good questions, including
this one. What's the best method to paint interior doors

(55:28):
with a brush? I'm unable to take the door off
the hinges. Right, we'll get into that with Jay after
the break.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from
Pedi Wolfcare, the resident builder on newstalksb.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Rightioh, Well, the weather's warming up, the days are getting longer.
The well, I was going to say, the weather's more settled.
That's not true in every part of the country. But
if we're talking about painting outside, that sounds like the
perfect recipe for painting weather. That's what we could call spring.
From now on in, it's paint and time. Greetings to

(56:03):
you Jay from Razine. Good morning, Good morning mate.

Speaker 9 (56:07):
How are you too eager?

Speaker 11 (56:09):
Then?

Speaker 9 (56:09):
I was constantly trying to jump in, But.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
You know, I guess if you've been wanting to get
jobs done and just frustrated with the weather and and
so on, it's kind of like, right, the handbrakes off.
Now we're into it.

Speaker 10 (56:25):
Oh, definitely, yeah.

Speaker 9 (56:26):
I mean I was standing my outdoor table and coats
are staying on. Yesterday I got sent pictures from other
reps that were doing the same as well. So we're
all getting ready for summer.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I must have been. I sort of wandered around yesterday
and it's like, right, that needs touching up. There's a
few chips on the steps, you know, that were painted
five years ago. Can we deal with that. That might
need a bit of a touch up. There's a few
ross spots coming through the weather boards. Maybe i'll knock
those back and so on. So yeah, yeah, I know,

(56:57):
I know we've all got a list, but that's okay,
that's okay, that's now's the time.

Speaker 9 (57:02):
To creep into it.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Absolutely, and with that in mine, let's just hit this.
Let's get running. So let's start with the first one
best method to paint interior doors with a brush. I'm
unable to take the doors off the hinges, so if
you do have to paint them in situ, I mean,
if it's a flat door like a you know, typical
sort of panel door, flush door, painting with them, I mean,

(57:28):
there's no reason you can't paint with a roller, even
if you can't take the door off.

Speaker 9 (57:32):
Yeah, exactly, I'm just looking at my into one of
my internal doors at the moment. I suppose if you
can take it off it's always going to be much
easier to get all the sides and at the top
and the surrounds. Then the top seems to be the
main issue that people just forget about. But yeah, I
mean a flat door, I would roll it. It'll be quicker,

(57:54):
you get more even finished roller in a roller handle
just so you can get even pressure across the whole door.
So it just ends up being a more uniformed finish.
If you have to brush it, you can do as well.
This time of year, I'd think about using the razine
hot weather additive.

Speaker 10 (58:15):
Just helps keep a.

Speaker 9 (58:16):
Wet edge as you're brushing, and it will help level
the paint out so you get a more again, more
uniform finish.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
But challenging that, I'm just thinking about the practicalities, like
you'd want a reasonably large brush, like a seventy five
mill or something like that. And then if you did
painted with a brush top to bottom, you wouldn't paint sideways.
Would you to keep shorter strokes?

Speaker 9 (58:41):
No, I'd go top to bottom, get the paint similar
if you're.

Speaker 10 (58:45):
Rolling as well.

Speaker 9 (58:46):
Really yeah, absolutely, top to bottom and then lay off
once you've got the paint there. So just try and
keep it all one direction, nice and smooth, so everything
levels out nicely.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 9 (58:58):
Otherwise, if you're going left to right, you can have
brush marks all the way through it. If you don't
lay off, you can see all the brush marks. Yes,
so it'll be challenging with a brush I think I'll
just get the roll of yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Think, so cutting around the edges and enroll yeah, yeah, perfect.

Speaker 10 (59:11):
I don't forget the top.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, and like actually the top of the the door,
like the very top, but that you can't see unless
you're standing on a ladder. Yeah, even for interior doors.
Like I funny, if I go and do like pre
purchased inspections that sort of thing, I'll often open the
door and run my hand across the top to see
whether they've painted it. Because to me, it's a it's

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a quality issue.

Speaker 9 (59:35):
Yeah, nine times out of ten that hasn't been sanded.
It's it's rough. Yeah, it's just those little things make
a difference. Yeah, Like if you primate and paint it,
it's going to stop getting any moisture. It's clean, and
it's just that quality thing, Like people haven't done that
where else haven't they? Standard crept in crime.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Very good question. Right. Oh here's another good question. Uh,
cracks in painted decking timber. What's the solution to fill
those cracks before repainting? This is Bert from Hot Guzy City.

Speaker 11 (01:00:08):
Nice.

Speaker 9 (01:00:08):
Nice. It's yeah, obviously you can paint that, but once
the timbers split in and cracking, it's it's really a
substrate problem. Yes, you can paint it, but those cracks
and splits are going to keep coming back. Now you
can router out and using the POPSI filler like the

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repair case. Okay, but like it would probably be easy
to replace the worst parts of timber and repaint or
reprime and paint, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Okay, yeah, because in the end, I mean and also
I wonder whether when Hee is dicking, is he talking
about like an older house with a tongue and groove dick.
And then you're always actually going to get that movement
between the boards, right.

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
Yeah, I mean timber moves, right, It fans and contracts
throughout the year.

Speaker 10 (01:00:59):
If you've got splits and cracks and.

Speaker 9 (01:01:01):
The timber, they're going to expand and contract at different rate. Yes,
So like once you've got splits and cracks along the
grain of the timber, that's going to continue moving and
at certain points of the year it's going to be
worse than other points of the year. So if the
paint will work, but if there's cracks and splits in
the substrate, it's going to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, okay, perfect, Peyton j. Please to be fair, I've
never had a question like this. Please advise on which
razine paint system I could use for a cast iron
menhole cover.

Speaker 9 (01:01:36):
Okay, I'd probably go with the Armor x GP metal primer,
and then if it's one of those if you're driving
over it, Lumberside will work, but if you stop on
it and you have hot tires on it, it's going
to pull the standard paint off.

Speaker 10 (01:01:57):
Yes, so you could go the GP.

Speaker 9 (01:01:59):
Medal primer followed by Lumberside or Sonics or Luster crill
or it's a case of using sometime of the Alma
code two two one, which is a two peck, followed
by the urocraal system yep. But standardly I'd say just
GP metal primer and then Lumberside or Sonics over the top.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Perfect, Thank you very much. Uh dressed timber twenty more
thick wooden plank fence that was previously stained brown. We
now want to paint or restain it to a lighter color.
Can you advise the prip work involved to paint or
stain so? Yay, conventional exterior fence probably dark brown and

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they want to go lighter. How do you do that
with stains?

Speaker 9 (01:02:43):
So with stains, you're not going to be able to
all the stains are semi transparent, so the color that's
on there or the color of the timber is going
to affect the top coat color. So unless you stand
it right back and then restain it only really where
you can go lightly. But to paint it, it would

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be an oil based primude was in wood primer and
then lumberside or sonics over the top, depending if you
want a locin or semigloss.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
So you'd need to sort of sand back a little
bit of the stain. If you're going to stain it, Yeah,
If you're going to stain it, yep.

Speaker 9 (01:03:22):
If you're going to paint it, then it depends. If
it's a penetrating stain, then just clean it and wood
primate and then to paint it. If it's a film
forming stain, so it's quite glossy, kind of looks like
a paint and sits on the surface. Yes, then yes,
you need to give it a sand to de gloss.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
It right, Okay, all right, so it's doable. But it's
always about the prep.

Speaker 10 (01:03:46):
Isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:03:47):
Yeah, it's always about the prep. It's always the hardest bit,
and it's always the bit that people want to try
and find shortcuts for.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Right now, this one is quite lengthy, so it's an
interior painting job. The house was a rental. It's an
older house which heads stained or varnished doors, windows, door frames,
skirting and a tongue I groove ceiling. The healths was

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meth tested and had a very high reading, so the
house was cleaned, but the chemicals have reacted with the stain.
The cleaners have then scraped all of the affected areas.
They've used some shellac based primer undercoat and then two
top coats over the top. Question can I use razine

(01:04:39):
malamine and laminate primer instead of another brand? And will
it hold just as well to stop the tannins? And
could I put water based enamel over the top or
will I need to do quick dry? So okay, there's
a bit of a yeah it is. So you've got

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timbero clear finished meth contamination cleaners have been applied that
affected the finish on the existing one then and in
terms of painting it, what would you need to do
to prick the surface for paint.

Speaker 9 (01:05:16):
Wow, So from what I know about sort of math contamination,
if it's just being used in the property, yeah, once
it's been cleaned down, the levels from what I understand,
are kind of acceptable that you can just paint and continue. Yes,
it's when it's been the math contamination is the result

(01:05:39):
of it being a lab or whether actually making it,
it's more of an issue at that point. I think
you're looking at almost rejibbing or recladdic. So if it's
just the fact that it's been used in the house,
it's been high, it's been cleaned, then I think it's
fine just to carry on painting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Yes, I think their issue is that the cleaning reaction
have reacted with the existing coating. So now you've got
maybe does colouration or some cracking or something like that
in the.

Speaker 9 (01:06:10):
State kind of anything that if there's clear coats cracked
or reacted, then it's going to be a case of
removing it. As far as on the head, any new
coating going over the top is any sticking to that coating.
So if you've got issues with the current coating, simply
painting it isn't right fix it if the current clear

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coat is in okay condition.

Speaker 10 (01:06:35):
Looking at my ceiling at the moment.

Speaker 9 (01:06:37):
There, Yes, you could use the you could use water
borne shore seal, you could use the melamine laminate primer.
Depending on the top coat color, you could either go
straight over or you could do a coat quick dry before.
So I mean, if you're doing something white or alabaster,
or there's potential for coverage issues, then a coat of

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quick dry over the primer is always going to help
give a more uniform finish a better look.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Okay. And it sounds a little bit similar to my
project from a couple of years ago where we had
a sarked ceiling. So tongue and groove, remove tongue and
groove with some polyurethane on it. I didn't want to
pull the ceiling down, but I didn't want the clear finished,
so send it back degloss at smooth surface primer, quick dry,
couple of coats, a lumbersider job done.

Speaker 10 (01:07:27):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:07:27):
So the smooth surface ceila used this kind of changed
to the melamine and lamon at Timer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:07:32):
And we've now bought out the waterborne shore seal to
waterborne pigmented sealer. So either of those who work over
the clear coat on the sark sealer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Okay, Brilliant, quick one house has been stripped back to
the bear wood on the old weatherboards. The contractor is
applying an oil undercoat, what next to top coats or
an acrylic undercoat then too top coats. Ah, that's interesting,
so strip it back to beer timber. If you do

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an oil based it wouldn't be an oil based undercoat
to be an oil based primer, wouldn't it. Would you
then apply in acrylic undercoat, and then you're acrylic top coats.

Speaker 9 (01:08:13):
So if you got an all based primer first, yep.
Especially after you strips something like that, there's going to
be areas that you need to fill, so i'd prime it.
I then go around and fill everything, yes, light sand,
and then reprime over all of that fillery. At that point, Yeah,
I'd go a full coat of seeing quick dry yes,
followed by probably sonics over the top, depending on the

(01:08:35):
condition of the boards.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Sure, okay, Brilliant, can you please advise me best raisine
product to paint a ten year old concrete car port floor,
So carport as opposed to garage, so that'll be exposed
a little bit to the elements.

Speaker 10 (01:08:52):
Yeah, I suppose it's.

Speaker 9 (01:08:56):
You love it, think you're driving on it. Yes, So
the prep needs to be more substantial. So whether it's
inside garage or outside carport, if it needs painting, you're
still going to have to diamond grind. Then you're going
to have to prime with something like armor bond, and
then outside.

Speaker 10 (01:09:19):
It would be eurocrill.

Speaker 9 (01:09:22):
It's just obviously it's all this diamond grinding. There's two
pac products that if you're not confident in using, can
be a bit tricky, right, So it's not.

Speaker 10 (01:09:32):
Sort of straightforward.

Speaker 9 (01:09:33):
Just it's outside, it's slightly sheltered and you're still driving
on it. If you went with a standard acrylic system,
the paint's just going to pull off with the sort
of hot tires turning in sitting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Yeah, we're seeing that, okay. And again especially with you know,
ten year old concrete, it will have absorbed a lot
of moss and mole and all the rest of it.
So quick diamond grind there would be the go and
then start you prep from there. That's important.

Speaker 9 (01:10:02):
Yeah, it also just leaves after diamond grinding, you're just
gonna have a sound surface kind of breaking up or
loose or dusty.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
These are always challenging ones, this one. Is there any
paint that I can use to re waterproof serotone in
a shower over a bath? The waterproofing is starting to
wear a bit in one spot. I guess I would
a sure note of caution. It probably is, but it's
going to look like you've painted over it. So if

(01:10:32):
that's what it is, okay.

Speaker 9 (01:10:35):
It's just if serotones it's like smooth in sheets. The
waterproofing's broke. Does that mean it's cracked or damaged? Or
is the I think.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
It's just let's call it wear in te Yeah, let's
just call it were in tear for some reason.

Speaker 9 (01:10:55):
It's one of those things. It's not designed to be painted,
but we've got systems to paint it. If something like
that is that sort of worn in it's leaking water,
it might be easier just to replace the sure panel. Yeah,
but if you wanted to paint it, it would be

(01:11:15):
like probably you know, the water borne share seal and
a top coat, or you're looking at armor coat two
to one in Europe.

Speaker 10 (01:11:23):
Would probably be the best system.

Speaker 9 (01:11:25):
It's just a smooth, really smooth and Chinese, so anything's
going to sort of require ongoing maintenance. And then then
when you add in sort of moisture issues, it's it's
kind of do you really want to paint it and
deal with the headaches? Just replace the panel?

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Yeah, I mean it's one of those ones where you go, yeah,
sure you can paint it, but it is just going
to look like painted I mean, taking nothing away from
the painting obviously, but it still just will look like
a painted surface something.

Speaker 9 (01:11:53):
Yeah, you're going to have the roll of finishing it,
You're going to have the brush marks in it, and
it's not going to look the same as if you're
doing one panel as opposed to everything. Sure, and if
it's there's water issues, standard painting, it's going to help,
but it's not going to stop those issues.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Yep, brilliant. Well that's a nice way to wrap it up, mate,
fast and furious. That's what we were after this morning
on the show, and much appreciated, and then enjoy your
standing and painting later on today. Good weather for it.
All right, all this take care, that's Jay one of
our painting experts from the good people at Razine, get
the right advice, get the right products when you pop

(01:12:33):
down to your local Rasine color shop. Ridyoh, let's talk rubbish.
And I'm figuring that there's probably a whole bunch of
people that have listened to that and just went, well,
that's what you're always talking. No, we're talking about construction
demolition waste. This week has been construction demolition waste Awareness
Week or something like that. We talked to doctor Kerry

(01:12:55):
and Bury last week on the show actually had some
tremendous feedback to that. One of the things that she
pointed out too, for people who want a bit more information,
have a look at waste hub so waste tub, dot
co dot nz gives you lots of information if you
are unsure about what facilities are available for you to

(01:13:19):
dispose of or recycle or send to the appropriate place
materials that you might have. Brands have also developed a
very good website which is essentially allows you anywhere in
the country to go on find their waste dispose a website.
I'll get you the proper name for that in a
minute and then go right. I'm in this part of

(01:13:41):
the country and I need to recycle my batteries, for example,
we don't want them going into you certainly don't want
to put them in your bin. We might talk with
Mark about that in just a moment. So well, well,
there are solutions and you can financeers. So have a
look at the brand's website, have a look at the
wate tub website. Search for your local community recycling center

(01:14:02):
sort of center that I'm involved with. And then we're
going to talk with Mark Robitts from Auckland Council after
the break line, and then after eight o'clock. We're bringing
ridden a bit earlier because of course the All Blacks
are about to play Ireland in about an hour and
fifteen minutes is kickoff commentary here at New stalks HEEDB.
We'll start at around eight point thirty this morning it

(01:14:24):
is seven forty two.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Were helping you get those DIY projects done right, the
resident builder with Peter Wolfgat call Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighteen Youth Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Your New stalks HEEDB coming up seven forty six and
this morning it's my pleasure to welcome to the show
Mark Roberts, who is senior waste Planning Specialist and Waste
Solutions at Auckland Council. A very good morning to you
Mark and thanks for joining us. Peter Morena, Hey, just
just quickly, what's your role at council? So what does

(01:14:56):
our senior waste planning specialist do at council?

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
So?

Speaker 14 (01:15:00):
Auckland Council has a number of objectives under its Waste
Management and Minimization Plan which was updated last year. And
in that plan we have eight actions that directly focus
on construction and demolition waste because obviously it's quite a
problem find issue and in essence my role is to

(01:15:23):
give life and activity and initiatives behind those eight actions.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Just can you paint for us a bit of a
picture in terms of the scale of the I'd written
down the size of the problem. Let's call it a
challenge in terms of construction demolition waste for in Auckland,
and I guess all councils are dealing with this right
across the country. Is as a steward, as a body
looking to improve the environment. What's the scale of the

(01:15:54):
challenge in terms of construction demolition waste.

Speaker 14 (01:15:58):
Well, an Auckland building waste is around about thirty it's
about thirty something percent. It's in the thirty percent of
all of Auckland's waste, and so that's all waste that's
coming from the construction industry. But we also know there's
an enormous amount of soil movements created by the building industry,

(01:16:19):
and some figures that came out from the Ministry through
the Environment earlier this year, it's kind of point to
construction being responsible for about eighty percent of waste that
goes to all types of landfills. So that's not just
municipal landfills, that clean fills and manusfields and so on
as well. So it's a really sizable part of the

(01:16:42):
whole waste picture.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
And in terms of like obviously we know councils are
involved in curbside recycling and those sorts of things, But
in terms of council's responsibilities or their engagement with the
construction sector, what sorts of solutions are are there? What
I suppose what's council's role in providing solutions for construction waste.

Speaker 14 (01:17:11):
Well, construction waste sits as a commercial source of waste,
so it's not it's not curbside material. So council has
kind of little really direct control over what happens to
that waste, and so our role is to try and
help give the industry information, resources, direction, connections and collaboration

(01:17:34):
are really important. So that's connecting people up to outlets
and sources, destinations and initiatives that they can can take.
So that's kind of the role that Council takes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
All.

Speaker 14 (01:17:47):
Council is also very active in developing a network of
community recycling centers. And I mean it's not just here,
it's also other parts of the country. There are many
other localized solutions for a covering material popping up. So
that's kind of Council's roles in.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
The picture and the community recycling centers. And I mean, look,
I have some investment in this in the sense that
I'm active and as a trustee of the not for
profit that administers our one and Devenport those sorts of things,
So I'm sort of in that space and you and
I have met through that. But I suppose the one

(01:18:23):
thing that I find is that often when you're talking
with people about hey, what are you going to do
to manage your waste, they just go, well, I don't know,
and I don't think there is an answer, but almost
inevitably there is an answer. So if builders like myself
or homeowners who are about to do a renovation or
even a new build, if they're looking for answers to

(01:18:44):
what do I do with the inevitable waste that I'm generating?
Where can they go for that?

Speaker 14 (01:18:52):
Well, as you just mentioned a little bit earlier, there's
quite a lot of resources out there, like, for example,
waste hub is one the brand's or rebri website is
a good place, yes for builders and and commercial organizations
to check out. There are some very good services that

(01:19:14):
are focused on helping helping builders tackle waste. Wastecks is
one of those, and also I mean just simple things
I caught con counsels unwanted items. Search is also a
valuable source of destinations, alternative destinations the building waste.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
And this is where like the community recycling centers. I
was at mine yesterday, right, so, I've been in on
Friday with a load of green waste. I went in
yesterday to pick up some soil because I needed to
replenish the garden. Do you think people are aware of
the services that are available through their community recycling centers?

Speaker 14 (01:19:55):
Yeah, I mean that's a hard one, and I guess
that that network is growing quite quickly, and also the
capability within those those individuals is also growing, and so
so yeah, it's kind of something you probably need to
look into. I think if you are also kind of

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a commercial player in or you're a builder, yep, then
there's there's also services that will take your waste and
sort it in a mechanical, mechanical way, and often we
have three providers that undertake to understand that as well.
There worth looking into for sure, So there's kind of

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you do have options, and so it's just kind of
the key is to start thinking about it early on,
not once that your build has started. Yes, then you've
got an immediate problem to deal with, but if you
could think about it in advance, that that's kind of
the way to go. One of the things that we
see widely is that waste is designed into build and

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so our kind of feeling is that that building wastes
create sort of the moment somebody wakes up in the
morning in the sides, heck, I'm going to I'm going
to create something, and it's the choices from there on
then of what you're going to do, how you're going
to build at the materials that you choose, the way
that you specify and quantity survey those materials, those that's

(01:21:27):
where the ways starts. And so I would also suggest
that you kind of really start thinking about waste at
that very that very early stage. What what are the
implications of your decisions?

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Yes, yeah, one hundred percent. And we had a bit
of a chat this week and one of the things
that I wanted to pick up on is that organ Council.
I'm sure councils across the country are actively engaged in
terms of you know, information right, so going out and
talking to sites and to builders on sites about how
they're managing their waste. Organ Council has a team like that.

Speaker 14 (01:22:04):
Yes, we do, and we carry have. We are working
in seven local board areas across the region and we
have really kind of skilled and experienced contractors out there
engaging with with building sites and the people working on
those sites kind of on the ground helping them to

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access news talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
We're coming right up to news time. I forgot about
the break. We'll talk. I'll wrap up the conversation with
Mark after the news and I'll give you that information
about some really good websites for diverting you waste, where
to take the right type of waste straight after the break,
remember good at eight o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Doing other house sorting the garden lasked Pete for ahead
the resident builder with Peter wolfcap Call eight news talks edb.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Right bit of a mad rush at the end of
the last hour and that's that's my inability to read time.
So my thanks to Mark Roberts from Auckland Council for
joining us. And one of the things that we will
probably get them back on have a bit of a
chat about this is a team that they have that
actually actively go out and visit sites, talk to contractors

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and so on about how they're managing their waste and
so on, which is a great initiative. And of course
organ Council, like most councils around the country, also administer
community recycling schemes which are really great. There are all
some organizations you know, around the corner from you in
many cases that do a tremendous amount of work. I
also mentioned as part of our discussion last week wasste

(01:23:43):
tub dot co dot nz is a great resource. The
other thing to do is to just simply Google Brands
Waste or Brands Resource Recovery Map so b R A
n Z Recovery Map, and then anywhere you are in
the country, you just type in what you've got that
you want to dispose of and it'll tell you where

(01:24:05):
to go in the nicest host way, which is awesome,
right Oat. Now its slight change to the plan today
because we've got a pretty important match between the abs
and Island that are made of minds actually sitting in
the crowd in Chicago at the moment. Commentary begins at
eight point thirty, so we've got Rud. We've woken them
up extra early. Get them here just after eight o'clock.

(01:24:26):
We'll talk all things gardening and the wonderful world of
bugs as well. Rud, Can I jump in and go
how freaked out should we be about this yellow legged
hornet that seems to have taken up occupation and well
Auckland at this stage.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
I'd be a bit careful. I'm not too happy with
these guys, by the way, Peter. I've seen them around
in Japan and places like Indonesia, so no sense of humor.
They will go for anything that they don't like. They'll
eat bees. Yeah, and that of course gives the bee
keeping industry quite a bit of a trip.

Speaker 10 (01:25:06):
No, it's it's not good.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
And I am not sure where we are with the
numbers at the moment because I've been Actually I'm about
a kilometer away from you and I tried to get
to the studio but it wouldn't work for me because
I'm working with guess what Auckland Council.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Really Okay, well we just said Mark from council on before.
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:25:24):
Yeah, there you go. We're doing a predator free HUI
all day to day talking about how to catch all
the Nazis et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And it's
got to be a spanning day with with all the
people that have subscribed to coming. But anyway, come back
to that that hornet. No, not good, big thing. I

(01:25:45):
hope we can we can still be on the top
of the numbers. What are the numbers at the moment? Females?

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Yeah, and yeah, a couple yesterday or in the last
few days. What I what I wanted to ask you
about is that you know online and I know social media,
you know, got to be a bit cautious about taking
advice from social media. A couple of people have suggested
that there's like something that we can do if we're

(01:26:14):
and these little homemade traps with a certain type of
material in them that will attract the hornets and that
sort of thing. Is there any validity? Is there anything
that I can do or anyone in Auckland can do
to try and be active in terms of trapping them
and capturing and killing them basically.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
Well, to be quite honest, I suppose I could do it,
because I've done things like this before, you know, as
an entomologist. But I would say, be very very careful,
don't buck around, and really the first thing you really
need to do is just get hold of MPI and
see if they could come out. They've got a good
team of people that will come and get rid of

(01:26:56):
this little rotter. You know. You know what I'm like
with having a bit of a joke about doing wasps
and that sort of stuff at night. Holds the torch,
you run to the wasp, You toss it quickly into
a bag, put it in the freezer and you've got it.
But if something goes wrong, of course, the wasps or
the hornets will go to the person with the torch

(01:27:17):
in their hand.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Tell me about.

Speaker 11 (01:27:22):
You got it?

Speaker 5 (01:27:23):
So I wouldn't.

Speaker 9 (01:27:25):
I wouldn't do that people.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Yeah no, But honestly that really surprised me that as
I saw a photograph for the first time of the
nest that the queen makes and it can let as
large as a tennis ball.

Speaker 10 (01:27:41):
Yep, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
Whereas the paper wasp has got ah know, the German
wasp has got one that is probably the size of
a gold bull.

Speaker 10 (01:27:51):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (01:27:52):
And that means that is how the female basically gets
the first brood going off say twenty or thirty new
wasplts that will then help to set up the big colony.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Yeah right, But I mean we've all seen them, you know,
tucked under the eve and that sort of thing, or
somewhere in the middle of a tree. You come across
these paper wasp in German was NICs. But the this
red or this yellow legged hornets. It's actually it's a
beautiful piece of architecture in a sense, but quite identifiable,

(01:28:31):
isn't it. So that's what people should be looking out
for as well.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Yeah, it's quite a bit bigger than the normal world
that we always know. And you'll pick it it's of
course dark in color, but it's got very bright ends
of their legs. All six legs have got nice yellow
bits at the end, and you can see that from
quite a way away. They also probably will make it.
I would say. What I remember is they were quite noisy.

(01:28:54):
It's especially when you came across them. You can hear
them kind of you know, going, and a lot more
than wasps.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Yeah yeah, right, okay, well, eyes open and if you
see it or you think you see it, get in
touch with MPI.

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
Yeah that's the one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
All right, right, let's get into it. Let's uh, hello, Faye,
how are you this morning?

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
I'm good, thank you and you I'm very well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Now can I just check Rud? Can you hear faye? Ah? Now,
what's happened here? Why have I not been able to
conference you? Guys? Right, I'll tell you what. Let's until
the break. Let's do it this way, Faye. If you
ask the question and then I'll put Rude back on
to to give a response, go for it.

Speaker 15 (01:29:38):
Faith, I have several conifers through you, some mag and
I have just discovered in them a moth which once
I contacted mister Google, it looks like it's called gregarious
to night, and I want to know how I get
rid of it?

Speaker 7 (01:29:58):
What spray?

Speaker 15 (01:30:00):
Is there a particular insecticide that I should use? As
if somebody has thrown a mud heavy at the tree
and it's woven, it's just killing the trees.

Speaker 10 (01:30:10):
Wow, I need to know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Yeah, okay, you can hear phase question most perfectly?

Speaker 5 (01:30:18):
Can hear it?

Speaker 11 (01:30:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:30:19):
Here we go, say this is the gregarious Teneus is
one of those things that literally makes with numbers of caterpillars,
starts to chew your your plants. Now literally any insecticides
will do. I remember, princess, what have you got to win?
And forget the the one you use for for? What

(01:30:41):
do you call us for? What do you what? Forget
about the I've forgotten it's the thing that does the
pictures that make the webs? What do you call the
web thing as spiders? You know, spiders and things like that. Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry,

(01:31:03):
I just think but there was there was a cool
name for it, and I forgot the name. It doesn't matter.
But if you get that spider stuff and you spray
that into your tree, you will get rid of them.
It's as simple as that. Also, there are other spider
materials or other insecticides that you can use because they
contain prometron that will work really well. And talking about prometron,

(01:31:25):
you can get some of the by retroid things that
we use on aircraft by Safe Works Safe Works with
an X they would work too if you get an aerosol.
How many of those trees do you.

Speaker 7 (01:31:36):
Have their faith about?

Speaker 11 (01:31:37):
Ten?

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
Okay, oh that's a lot. No, you better get something
that is that'll go for the long roll. Do it once,
do it second time, say about three weeks later.

Speaker 15 (01:31:49):
And do I have to sort of open up those
little mud petties as such, because the don't caterpillar is totally.

Speaker 7 (01:31:57):
Entwined in them.

Speaker 5 (01:31:59):
I know, I know, But the problem is, of course
that you do that one by one is a bit tricky.
But if you made those things is wet with the insecticides,
you'll find that that particular caterpillar they will and will not.
Then they stand exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Thanks really, they thank you very much for that. We'll
just take a short break because we've got a couple
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Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Bod is with us. Not much time today because we
have the rugby coming up. But Barry, you want to
talk about wasps?

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
Yeah, before we go to the wash well, just before
I wanted to talk to Barry. But you know why,
I couldn't remember that name of weddn't forget it was
called miss Muffetts.

Speaker 11 (01:33:05):
And I forgot that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Anyway, go Verry, get on with it, right, hang on,
here we go, very there we go, very go for it.

Speaker 16 (01:33:14):
Yeah, good morning. I'm just wondering, for children's sake, is
a sting from the Nazi waft compared to the hornets?
Are they similar or.

Speaker 9 (01:33:26):
Can I about the same?

Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
They're the same strength, if you like. Not very funny
at all? Yeah, not very good.

Speaker 10 (01:33:34):
And that's similar, I would yeah, I would.

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
Say very similar. But what I would do is just
stay away from them, really because it does hurt for you,
as you know, when you get done by the wasp.
It verse for quite a while, and I have.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
To say rude looking at the photographs of these yellow
legged hornets. The stinger on the back, it's not a stinger.
It looks like a buddy anti aircraft gun.

Speaker 7 (01:33:58):
Good description, there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
That's exactly what it is. Yes, and it's full of
that material that makes you sow it right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Yeah, Well, I'm not rushing out to test it, thank
you very much. No, don't no, no, okay, all right,
Actually we'll take the break now and then we'll come
back through it. And a final question ahead of the
live commentary of the all black smatch back in the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
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Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Be literally two minutes to go.

Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
Ray.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Brussels sprouts.

Speaker 11 (01:34:38):
Yeah, Brussels sprouts? How many do I put off them?
If I would say I started off with six and
now I'm down to two the weather has been bad
or whatever. Now they're starting to put some Brussels spouts
on the Do I pull every second one off? Or
whatever I do.

Speaker 5 (01:34:55):
What do you mean with you've gone from six to
two the number of plants that survived.

Speaker 11 (01:35:00):
Yeah, the lumber of plants that have survived.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
What have you got into soil there, Gray.

Speaker 11 (01:35:06):
Well, it's a pretty over hat. They weren't pot basically
the pots?

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Yeah, big pots, I hope, because they really do like
their their roots to be going all over the place
to get their food.

Speaker 11 (01:35:20):
Of course, Oh okay, all right, they're shippy enough then.

Speaker 5 (01:35:27):
And what is the the constitution of it? Is that
organic material or is it is it? Is it soil
as well?

Speaker 11 (01:35:37):
And plenty of path in horses?

Speaker 10 (01:35:42):
The horses?

Speaker 11 (01:35:43):
What the horses?

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
Yeah, I know what you mean with horses, what they
leave the I think you might have gone over the
top a little bit with that because the amount of
nitrogen there is so much that you probably went too far.
And the and the other thing is not just organic
material and horse foo. Sorry nearly said the wrong word here.

(01:36:07):
I think you you need to do at least more
than fifty percent of mineral soil. That means, you know,
the stuff that you get in loam and clay and
and things like that, because it can't just be organic material. Honestly,
it's not gonna work like that. Sorry, I yeah, water them.
I've got the horse stuff and a plastic container, and

(01:36:29):
I use the water to water down the rodge.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Maybe maybe it isn't a case of too much of
a good thing rut.

Speaker 5 (01:36:36):
Yes, it is far too much of a good thing.
And if I would, if I would put you in
a horse pool by bucket, I think you wouldn't like that,
to be quite honest, Ray, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Look, that's wise words for anyone.

Speaker 11 (01:36:51):
Ray.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
Hope that helps a red climb pass. Enjoy your day,
educating people, take care se bag all this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:02):
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