Full Show Podcast: 15 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
Camp from news Talks at by Meta twice god once,
but maybe call Pete first. Peter wolf Camp, the Resident
Builder News Talk said, b.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
A house sis a whole, even when it's dark, even
when the grass is overgrown in the yard, even when
a dog is too old to borrow, and when you're
sitting at the table trying not to start.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Scissor home even when we are Benn, even when you're therellone.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
House sizzle home, even when there's ghost even when you've
got around from the ones you love, your moll screaming
pains appearing in funder.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Locals.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
We's well when they're gone leaving never even when will
even when you're in there alone.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:37):
Well, a very very good morning, and welcome along to
the Resident Builder on Sunday. That's with me Pete off Camp,
the Resident Builder, And this is an opportunity for you
to ask questions, to discuss, to debate, to kick around
a couple of ideas about all things building, renovations, alterations,
new products, contractors, rules and regulations, anything to do with

(01:58):
building and construction. We can talk about it on the
show this morning. So I trust you've had a good
week as we sort of look forward to another short week.
Actually Martiniki Holiday on Friday. So if there was some
projects perhaps I always tend to think about long weekends
as an opportunity, perhaps, you know, maybe to get in
another little project done with that extra day. So if

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there was something that you had to crack at, maybe
at King's Birthday weekend, didn't quite get it finished, And
there's always projects that we don't quite get finished. Perhaps
this long weekend coming up is going to be the opportunity.
And if you need to chat about it, talk about it,
think about a couple of ideas. Check whether or not
the compliance side of it is correct. It stacks up,

(02:41):
what sort of work can you do without necessarily requiring
a building consent? What type of work does require a
building consent? What type of materials you'd like to use?
All of these things we can talk about on the show.
So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call this morning on the show. Actually no special
guests coming in, so it's an opportunity to stretch our

(03:03):
legs talk about everything to do with building alterations, constructions,
renovations that you would like to talk about. Of course,
as always, we'll jump into the garden with Red climb
past at around eight point thirty this morning. But right
now it's your opportunity to ask questions, discuss, debate, and
maybe you know, challenge a few assumptions that I might

(03:25):
have made. I read out that text last week someone
accusing me of not being forward thinking. Excuse me not
being forward thinking, not not sort of moving with the times. Oh,
I'm happy to take those sorts of questions and or
comments as well. This morning on the program, if I
bumped into a couple of people I've spent the last

(03:46):
few days down at field Days Mystery Creek in the
way Cuto. So went down Friday, came back yesterday. Fantastic
opportunity sometimes just to sort of, you know, stand around
chat with people who may listen to the show or
remember some other stuff that I've done, the classic thing

(04:07):
or field Days, and it's got to be the classic
thing just with being in New Zealand in general. So
I'm standing there a couple of chat with someone and
a guy or Mark who's a builder, lives on one
of the islands in the White Matar wanders along. I
think it was probably two years ago that we bumped
into each other, had a bit of a chat, and

(04:28):
as it happens, there is wanders passed. We have a
bit of a chat and a catch up and talk
about building and construction. Actually, one of the things that
he was chatting about is the challenge for some let's
say older trades people to keep up to date with
their licensing. So for carpenters essentially and other building related trades,

(04:50):
you need to register every year as an LBP to
keep your license current, and then every two years you
need to prove learning. You need to submit evidence of learning,
You need to answer a whole lot of questions that
come out through the Build magazine. You need to do
all of this online, submit that pay Your money was

(05:11):
at two hundred and thirty seven dollars thereabouts, I think
to renew your license and then you can continue on
being active on the LBP register. And is that too
much of a hurdle perhaps for older tradees who are
not as familiar with the digital world. We can talk
a little bit about that. That might have triggered something

(05:31):
for you if you're an older trade thinking, oh, I
just can't be bothered getting through the whole LBP licensing thing.
Maybe i'll flag it. We don't want to flag it. Actually,
I got roundly criticized the other week someone I suggested
that a young person who had finished their apprenticeship and
had been working as a builder but hadn't qualified or
hadn't got themselves through the licensing process should do that,

(05:56):
and someone said, no, that's really bad advice. Don't want
to get licensed, and why would you encourage someone and
you don't have to do it. Well, I actually think
it's part of the game now, it's part of the system.
You're going to do restricted building work, you need to
be licensed. And I think we should encourage young trades
people to get themselves to move from sort of completing
their apprenticeships into being an LBP as soon as possible

(06:18):
as my opinion. Happy to discuss that as well. But
right now, it's your opportunity. What's on your mind? What
would you like to talk about, what sort of challenges
perhaps have you encountered, Maybe some new products, some new
ideas that you want to talk about, you know, is
it going to work? Have you heard of this before?
We're happy to talk about all those sorts of things.
That is one of the beauties of field days as well.

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There's always something there that I hadn't seen before. And
actually I even wandered off with a couple of drill
bits that I've never seen before from a store called
trade Y Republic that has kind of to be but
it has high end tools for carpentry and construction and
other related trades. So I bought a set of tapered

(07:02):
drill bits. I don't think I've ever seen them before,
but they may a lot of sense in terms of
pre drilling for screws. Think about that. If you want
to talk tools, we can do that as well. Eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. It is thirteen minutes after six.
You're here with Pete wolf Camp. We're taking your calls.
It's eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Text is up and
running as well. That's nine to nine two. Excuse me,

(07:25):
I'll go and clear my throat and we'll come back
into it. So you're tuned to do the talking. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to corps.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Doing of the house storting. The garden asked Pete for
a hand. The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp call eight
hundred eighty ten eighty news talks, V.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
Write own news talks. They'd be let's get amongst it.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
Tony greetings.

Speaker 7 (07:51):
Yeah, good morning peach. During in quest and the introduction
playbot l lbp's and what I wanted to ask you was,
what is the difference between if you engage one of
these qualified people and you had a situation where you know,
you weren't happy with the job or there was something
wrong with it. Yes, what comeback do you have with
these particular qualified people that you may not have or

(08:15):
somebody who doesn't hold that particular qualification, Like is there
a fidelity fund where you know, the main governing body
would come to your assistance. I've been interested in your
clarification of this.

Speaker 6 (08:26):
Yeah, sure, it's Look, it's a really good question. I
suppose in the well, what it is ultimately is that
the Licensed Building Practitioner Scheme is administered by the Ministry
of Business, Innovation and Employment, right, so it's administered by
the government. So the if there is a dispute, for example,

(08:47):
then you can go directly to the Disciplinary Board of
the Licensed Building Practitioners Scheme and have them investigate the
actions or the work of the person concerned. Now that
is effectively the weight of the state on your side, right,
So I don't think that there is While fines are

(09:11):
issued to lbps who have found to have breached the
rules and regulations of the LBP scheme, that money doesn't
go to the consumer. So in that sense, it's not
a consumer protection scheme. It's a scheme and it's ys
since what happened is we've got to go back a
few years. So there were changes to the Building Act
and there was a focus on ensuring that critical building

(09:34):
work was done by people who were had shown to
be fit for purpose for want of a better term,
and so once the concept of restricted building work came in.
So in a nutshell, restricted building work is all building
work covered by a building consent. So if you need
to do work that includes a building consent, new builds,

(09:56):
obviously extensions, significant alterations, et cetera, you need to have
a building consent. That only people who can either supervise
or undertake that restricted building work are those people who
are licensed building practitioners.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Right, there's no actual fidelity fund or anything like that. Well,
they don't have a situation where somebody the governing body
would take over the job or give you assistance to
resolve the issue of so that the builder just basically disappeared,
you wouldn't have any comeback with you. You'd have to
get somebody else to finish the job.

Speaker 8 (10:30):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (10:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (10:31):
There are other schemes. So there's broadly speaking, in New Zealand,
there's two other building associations. So there's New Zealand Certified
Builders in z DCB, and then there's Master Builders. Now
a contractor has engaged with you and has adopted the
Master Builders contract or the Certified Builders contract, then you

(10:54):
can go back to that association. Let's say the builder
goes under or the builder does a runner or something
like that, and they happen to be either a member
of either of those two groups. Then you could appeal
to that group and say, well, look, hey, you know
he's he or she is one of your members. You
need to come and help me to finish the job.
And then you begin a process with them. But that's

(11:17):
not part of the License Building Practitioner scheme.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
Okay, so a master builder would have to be an LBP.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Then I can't say yes to that.

Speaker 7 (11:33):
I'm glad to cleanse your boys. Anyway, I was a
bit of consumer.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
It's terrible, terrible moodcasting on my pasture. But yeah, I
mean one of the things actually in amongst a myriad
of announcements from the new government, we've we've had an
announcement that there's going to be a tightening up of
the disciplinary side of that LBP process. At the moment,
my own feeling is that it takes too long and

(12:00):
it takes too long for people to get a remedy.
The other thing that has changed from when the scheme
was first put in place, so it's been in place
for a while now. Like for myself, I first got
registered in about twenty eleven twenty twelve, so I have
maintained by registration through that period of time. But about

(12:23):
two years ago they introduced a code of ethics. So
prior to that, any dispute that you might have had
with an LBP was going to be around the actual
work that they did. And my sense is that most
people when they have a falling out with their builder,
let's say, it's not often about the maybe the work
that they've done. It's about the way in which they've

(12:45):
behaved right, you know, did they tell me it was
going to be a ten grand job and then send
me a bill for thirty thousand dollars that sort of thing, Right, So,
I actually think that the introduction of the Code of
Ethics is really really good for licensed Billing practitioners. And
I suspect that most people, if they had a comple

(13:06):
about their LBP, it would be based on what the
clear expectations now for us as lbps that set out
in the Code of Ethics. And certainly whenever I'm sort
of doing any speaking and with groups and that sort
of thing, I will say to people, look, before you
engage with your builder and it's restricted building work that

(13:26):
needs an LBP, take the time to have a look
at the Code of Ethics and be aware that now
there is a clear set of standards around how I,
as an LBP need to behave professionally when I'm engaging
with clients. And I think that's really good.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
No, that's fair enough. They would all obviously carry identification
or certification to show there an LBP when they arrive
on site.

Speaker 6 (13:50):
Yeah, you can ask. And the entire LBP register is
online and it's live, so you just go to LBP
dot gov dot NZ type in somebody's name if the
name doesn't come up. And the other thing that's important
to know about the scheme is that it's an individual
that's licensed. It's not a company, right, So I think

(14:14):
that's good. And the LBP registered live. If someone has
had let's say, has been involved with a disciplinary process
or they've let their license laps for some reason, that
will stay up. And even if they've resolved that, it
will still stay on the public register for a period
of time. To just tell people, hey, you know, maybe

(14:35):
they haven't always been licensed, and certainly you can notice.
And all of the disciplinary board stuff is also available online,
so you can actually go through and read the outcomes
of all of the disciplinary hearings. So if you've got
a quiet afternoon, it's quite entertaining reading my pleasure all this.
To take care your newstalks. That'd be oh, eight hundred

(14:57):
and eighty ten eighty is the number. I don't know
others TEGs so one said, I do dribble on too
much at the intro. It's very off putting. Just get
on with it. Well, look to be fair. When we
start the show, I need to talk until the first
phone call comes through right. So if to be blunt, mate,

(15:18):
if you got your act together and called through, I
wouldn't have to talk as long. It's as simple as that. Oh,
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got a question
of building nature, or maybe you've seen some new products,
some new ideas and some new tools that have come
along and you've gone, oh, I wonder if that works. Well,
we can talk about that. Let's take a short break,
will be back in a moment. Oh eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Whether you're painting, the stealing, fixing with fans, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter
wolf Gabber call on eight eighty ten eighty, the resident
builder on Newstalks'.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
B It's just listening to the promo, talking people's opinions
about field days and that sort of thing. It was
really interesting being down there. I was down Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
and I go down. I work with a couple of
brands that were there, the Apex boots, the Bailey water
tanks and so on, but also just a general sort

(16:10):
of conversation with people, and I think there was an
expectation that that field days was kind of going to
go like a rocket, right. You know, there's been some
legisl changes, there's been some tax changes, there's been a
bit of buoyancy, and in some cases yes, but I
think while it was positive, it wasn't maybe as positive

(16:31):
as people were expecting. Was my sense of it not
being negative Just you know, there's still still a lack
of fizz in the economy, and there's still a lack
of confidence. Let's say around you know, do I put
my hand in my pocket? Do I go Actually I
had a delightful conversation with one gentleman that I bump into,

(16:54):
you know, obviously not involved in farming, but involved in
forestry as it happens, you know, talking about do I
go out and buy another two hundred and twenty thousand
dollars tractor? Is now the time to do that? Or
am I going to wait just a little bit longer
to see what happens? In that sense of waiting a
little bit longer seems quite prevalent. Are the companies that

(17:15):
I had a chat with, you know, they were doing okay.
They'd come to sell and they'd sold a decent amount
of stuff. Some had exceptionally good response and others, so
it was an interesting time. Really enjoy field days if
you haven't been, or if you're like me and you've
only come into it later in life, you know, once

(17:36):
in your life you should go. It really is great fun.
Cameron greetings, Hi, go for it.

Speaker 9 (17:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (17:45):
Probably a little bit of background.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
I am a.

Speaker 10 (17:51):
Engineer, professionally trained in Member of Engineering, New Zealand. I
am trying to help, to be honest with my daughter
with a little bit of a building modification of a
small residential duplex and she wants to open up a

(18:18):
kitchen and living area which will require a structural beam
or probably two structural beams, but they're only going from
less than two meters to four and a half meters max.

(18:40):
What I've done is, uh, I've gone to brand Lental
and beams calculator and there's a whole schedule of beams there.
What I want a schedule of spanning. What I really
want to get some clarity on is completing a building

(19:11):
applications to the council and just using the the building code.
Is that adequate for a building consent or do I
need to go to a structural engineer to do what

(19:31):
I've already done.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
To be honest, Yeah, I hear what you're saying. So
I suppose if the scope of the beam is outside
of three six o four, which is New Zealand standards
for light framed timber construction, then it's not outside of
three six o four.

Speaker 10 (19:53):
I can get that the brand's lentil And and Beams
calculator that they've put a block.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
On it, right, because my sense is, so where the
beam is going just roughly is it supporting the roof
only or is it supporting another structure or another know,
another floor above, roof only, roof only, heavyweight roof, lightweight roof.

Speaker 10 (20:23):
Light weight proof seven degrees. I can give you all
the details.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
Yeah, see, I I mean ultimately it the work will
require a building consent, right, So in that sense, you're
going to need to have a someone who's got a
design license because now this is sort of follows on
from the conversation with Tony. In order to submit plans

(20:49):
for building consent, the person has to have a design license. Now,
if you don't have a design license under the LBP scheme,
then you won't be able to submit the consent. I
suppose the beauty of your knowledge is is that you
can provide a tremendous amount of detail to someone who
does have that license in order to make their job
quicker and hopefully more cost effective. Then so it's going

(21:13):
to need a consent, in which case it's going to
need to be done by a design engineer. If it's
outside of the scope of three six o four, then
that design LBP will need to get a set of
calculations done by a structural engineer. So if you're engineering
scope is not in the structural field, then maybe I'm
not sure if someone who's an engineer in general can

(21:36):
then do structural engineering. If, for example, you're a mechanical engineer, Yep,
that's yeah, okay, I mean you could probably do the
calculations because you guys are familiar with doing all the calcs, right,
so you might be able to do the calculations. Hand
that to someone. They'll check it and go, yep, that's
what's required. It'll it'll come up with a design. Whether

(21:56):
it's a glue, Yeah, it'll come up with a whether
it's a glue lamb beam. You know, maybe maybe you
can do it in timber, but you don't want to
lose the head height, So timber being might have to
be let's say, a double three hundred by fifty glue LAMB.
But in fact you don't want to do that. You
want it to be a bit more slender, in which
case someone will come up with a design that goes
actually a one fifty or a one ninety PFC will

(22:18):
do it, and then you can make those decisions, submit
it for a building consent, get the work done, get
the CCC and job done. But I think that you
are going to need to get a registered structural engineer
to prepare those details.

Speaker 10 (22:34):
That's that's what I've asked. Yeah, it seems almost two insignificant.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
Again, you know, it might be one of those things
that if you if you so, instead of I've had
a quick look at the brand's calculator and I can
see what's there, and I can see why they sort
of block it in a sense. But if you go
to NZ three six four, and it might be that
sort of thing that you go, you look at it
and you go, actually, if I made the opening three
point eight rather than four point one, I can do

(23:05):
it under three six o four. And then you go
back and you go, well, actually, that's a hell of
a lot simpler, because then I just need my design
LBP to use three six o four in order to
come up with a suitable design.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
Is a.

Speaker 10 (23:20):
Builder with an LBP okay is a.

Speaker 6 (23:30):
Design only if they have a specific design license. So
within the license Building Practitioner scheme there are different license classes,
so I know that. Yeah. Sorry, so it's got to
be a design.

Speaker 11 (23:43):
LBP okay, So I do have to go down that route,
I think, so, yes, yeah, yeah, you've answered the question.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Awesome, So please I could help camera all the very best.
You take care. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number
to call Shannon. Greetings to you.

Speaker 12 (24:06):
Good morning, Peter, how are you very well? I'm in
the nineteen fifty Statehouse and the ceiling as pine x yep.
So I was there at the time at the fags
and between the joists and that the.

Speaker 13 (24:22):
Refreshed, you know.

Speaker 12 (24:23):
So I've done the kitchen.

Speaker 14 (24:24):
I used my.

Speaker 12 (24:25):
Finger jointed batons and had to pack them to try
and get them somewhat flat before I put.

Speaker 14 (24:32):
Plaster board up.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
I'm with you, yes, yes, So I'm.

Speaker 12 (24:37):
Looking at the rest of the house at the moment
in the lounge room, and I've heard you talk about
triboard in the past, so I looked up for the
data sheet. I wonder if it might be a simpler
solution to the job. Maybe it's more rigid, I'm not sure, but.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
Certainly been more rigid. I'll tell you what I'm thinking
is that I like when I was at field Days
yesterday there's ITM have got a shed funnily enough at
which they have lined with It's a Triboard product, so
it's a it's called J panel, And what it is
is it's a Triboard product as a tongue and groove panel.

(25:15):
So it's four hundred wide, tongue grew fifteen mil thick,
and you can get it in. I think it's a
two seven or a three six length. So if for example,
the room was just slightly just on three six wide,
you could literally just strap those new J panel to
the underside of your ceiling. And because it is quite rigid,

(25:36):
you could just fasten straight through the panel if you
wanted to, into the batons or into the underside of
the joists or ceiling joists that are there under the truss,
straight through the old sagging pine ex board and it
would self support. It would stiffen up that whole sort
of sagging ceiling and then give you a nice tongue

(25:57):
and groove ceiling that you can just paint or yeah,
just paint it. So J panel. The width on those,
they're four hundred wide, so they are four hundred wide
panels with a tongue and groove right, so you get
a little v groove at the either end. I use
them on a little cabin a couple of years ago

(26:18):
where I wanted the back wall and the ceiling to
have a bit of detail, so I ran it vertically
up the wall and then across the ceiling with the
lines lining up. Really easy to install, very very durable.

Speaker 7 (26:32):
Well that's what I thought.

Speaker 12 (26:33):
It might push some of that sagging point X back
up and it'd be a bit less labor intens for
trying to get a nice finish. But when I looked
at the data sheet for that tribboard, yet expansion gaps,
and I wondered, when people use it, whether it beyond
wolves or ceilings, can you stop it like you would
normal plaster board to get a smooth finish.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
You can stop it. Often what people do is because
the stopping tends to relate to you know other types
of wall board where you know that the joint is
designed to be concealed. I actually think to be fair
if on that data sheet, what you're probably seeing is
the large triboard panels, right, which if you fix them up,
you just arrast the edge and leave a fraction of

(27:11):
a gap. You can fill that with a bit of
ceilant and just leave it as an exposed detail, because again,
one of the things worth stopping is often stopping moves
and then you get cracks, right, so you could use
that's the other option with the tryboarder is to use
the big wide panels, So twelve hundred they'd self support.
You could fix through them, stop those holes, screw holes

(27:34):
or whatever you're using, and then just leave a little
express detail on the junctions and then paint the surface.
But that would be a good option as well, And
that'll come in a range of lengths and a range
of thicknesses, but twelve or fifteen mil will probably self
support over that space.

Speaker 12 (27:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, that's cool.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
Yeah, check it out.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
Awesome, all the our best.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Yeah, take care see then, right, oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty the number to call. Take one more
call before the break Sandy. Hello there, Hi Pete. How
are you, Sandy? I'm very well, thank you, it's good.

Speaker 15 (28:14):
Hey, I have homes. I'm wondering what sort of consents
or what I need to do with regards to putting
them on a section. The one I'm currently looking at
is on timber piles in a paddock which is transportable
to a section which has no convenants, which is great,

(28:39):
but obviously I need to get piles put in that
would trigger a building consent? Would that be right?

Speaker 10 (28:48):
All?

Speaker 6 (28:49):
Basically at the moment until legislation changes, Yes, any habitable
space will require a building consent. So if the building itself,
the transportable house, is able to you can prove compliance
with the building code. Then obviously when you you'll want
to prove that the foundations are also compliant with the

(29:11):
building code.

Speaker 15 (29:12):
Sure, and then it doesn't come obviously with a CCC
because none of the services are set up. So in
the past, if I've built a new house, I've got
to provide all that information for the CCC. So how
would I go about obtaining the CCC if I haven't
built the house.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
I'm just thinking too with this particular transportable or tiny home.

Speaker 15 (29:36):
I presume it is ninety eight square meters.

Speaker 6 (29:40):
Okay, well it's all right, so that where you're locating it,
that's obviously land that you own. Yes, okay. Why wouldn't
you get a building consent for it?

Speaker 15 (29:54):
No, well I would, but I'm just wondering what Yeah, definitely,
I just wanted to know whether it was triggered if
you are having to put in piles and stuff.

Speaker 6 (30:04):
I don't know if it's necessarily triggered by we might
be at cross purposes. I don't think it's about the piles.
I think it's just about the fact that you've moved
a habitable building onto a new site and that all
of that building work. The So the building itself that
you're moving on, do you think that building will comply

(30:24):
with the building code?

Speaker 16 (30:26):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (30:26):
Okay, So we know that the building is going to
comply with the building code. So there's it's got the
right insulation, it's got the right amount of ventilation, et cetera,
et cetera. You're going to move it on. That part
requires part of that building consent is going to be
the foundation. So you need to prove to counsel that
the foundations are right. Now there are some options around
foundations now, so conventionally we would dig a hole put

(30:48):
a timber pile in it. Screw piles have become increasingly
popular and our code compliant, so that's there are some
advantages to that in terms of you don't have to
dig a hole, you don't have to order concrete, et cetera.
The team will come in, set the piles up or
set the piles to the in the right location, to

(31:09):
the right height as per the plans, and then the
building is simply dropped on top and fastened down. Sure,
so that's less disruptive arguably, So that'll be part of it.
And then I guess once the building is located, you'll
need to connect those services. So you need to prove
to council that the sewer is being managed properly. If

(31:29):
you've got presuming you're going to go for tanks for
water supply or are you going to connect to mainz.

Speaker 15 (31:35):
No, I've got the mains water available.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
Okay, I'm curious. Then will you need to get a
new meter or are you going to tap into an
existing source? Okay, so I will need me right, have
you had that priced?

Speaker 15 (31:48):
I haven't yet.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
Make sure you're sitting down when you open that email,
particularly if you're in Auckland. As my advice, So, okay,
so you're going to have to go and apply for
a new meter. You'll need to run a new services
where's power coming from a corner of section? Okay, so
you've got to do all of that and then, as
per any building consent, once your services are connected, the

(32:13):
buildings complete, then you get the final inspection and then
submit all of the documentation for a certificate of code compliance.

Speaker 15 (32:24):
Yep, cool, Okay, it's good what the arek and the
costs would be with regards to like screw piles, for
example on a ninety eight screw meet a home.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
To be fair, I've seen them done, but I've never
actually done the pricing. Have a look at stop digging
online and they'll they'll either be able to price off
the plans or they'll send someone out to have a look.

Speaker 16 (32:50):
Perfect.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
Great, Thanks love, nice talking with you, and good luck
with the project.

Speaker 15 (32:55):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
All right, take care and all of us Boby. Then
your news talks be we're talking all things building construction rules, regulations,
Who can do what in terms of you know, what
trades or what qualification or what, well, not even experience.
It's really just what qualifications are required, what level of

(33:19):
whether it's LBPS, when you need an engineer, when you
don't need an engineer, and that sort of thing. The
other thing, just thinking about Sandy's call just a moment ago.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
More.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
It's always been the responsibility the homeowner to get the CCC.
So you can get your builder to do it, but
you have to be really specific in your contract to
say this is part of your job, because there is
literally no obligation for the builder once they've finished the
work to do the CCC part because it involves a

(33:53):
whole other trades that they might not have been involved with. Anyway,
you can get people to do it, and I've done
it for clients on a number of occasions, but ultimate
responsibility for getting the CCC is on the homeowner. Don't
forget that, or the developer. If it's a new build.
Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the
number to call six forty six here at Newstalks EDB,
Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder
on News Talks NB just.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
Kind of text in from someone actually regular contributor, and
I always enjoy the text from Craig Pete. Hey read
the latest government announcement. If your new house build has solar,
then councils will be required to process the building consent
within ten days. I can see this being taken advantage
of every new build or new build building consent application

(34:39):
will include solar to half the processing time. Once BC
is approved, it's very easy to delete the solar. Not
sure how the government can close the s loophole, Craig,
thanks for pointing that out. I kind of heard that
on the news this week. So essentially, folks, the announcement
this week is that households with solar panels on their

(35:00):
ruse will be able to send more power back to
the grid. That's one part of it. Also, if a
building can sent is submitted with sol showing on the roofs,
then there is now a requirement that council need to
process that consent within ten days, down from the standard
twenty days, which is interesting. Someone's accused me of being negative.

(35:24):
I don't know if it's negative. It's maybe just realistic
or just slightly cynical, given that I've got a few
gray hairs. So I'm just wondering whether in this instance
what's going to happen is that someone will put solar
panels on. And that's great before that, but it just
means that someone who submits a building consent that doesn't
have panels that goes to the bottom of the queue.
Let's hope that that doesn't happen. But either way, and

(35:47):
to your point, Craig read the text, I would think
that if, for example, your building consent has solar panels showing,
and then at final inspection the inspector turns up and
notes that there are no solar panels on the roof,
then that would be a fail on the final inspection,
and then you wouldn't get CCC. That would be the

(36:07):
simplest way of closing that particular loophole. Dennis A very
good morning.

Speaker 8 (36:13):
Yes, good morning, Pete. Do you know of the product
called Plantation Bamboo deck.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
Certainly I've heard of it. I haven't used it, but
i've heard of it, and i've seen it out there.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
Yes, I'm about to put it in quite a large
death and I've seen the product, and I like to
look at the product and all that sort of stuff.
But I was wanting to know if you've had any
experience or knows anyone who's put it in and how
it lasts.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Again, I haven't personally used it. Typically, I've either done
composites over the last however many years, or solid timber,
whether that's hardwood or softwood. I guess this is one
of those things with warranties, right, Like often manufacturers supply
as a product will talk about, you know, we're issuing

(37:04):
a ten year warranty for the product. You as the consumer,
then need to make up your mind as to whether
or not you feel that that company's going to be
in business to stand by that warranty in ten years time.
And that's that's kind of what it comes down to, a.

Speaker 8 (37:19):
You know what I mean, Well, that's they say it's
sort of a twenty five year warranty on it. Right,
twenty five years there's.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
Quite a long time or something that's pretty impressive, because well,
I'm just well, I've just ripped up a deck that
you know, didn't last that long, and I've certainly replaced
plenty of decking where you know, fifteen twenty years and
it's looking at it being at the end of its life.
Do you know much about it's apart from the fact

(37:47):
that it's bamboo obviously, how that is then bonded together.

Speaker 8 (37:52):
So what I understand is put together with a resin
and high pressure right system. But you know, I like
to look as a product, but I don't want to
spread forty dollars sure a product and have to replace
it at six months time.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
Look, I've again my own personal experiences. To the best
of my knowledge, I don't think I've ever used it
right now. That's that's not saying that it's not worth investigating.
It's not saying it's not worth using. I'm happy for
someone to text me and go, hey, look I've used
it and I think it's great. Or I've used it
and yeah maybe not so much.

Speaker 8 (38:35):
Yeah, yep, okay, well I'll keep swigging around.

Speaker 9 (38:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:39):
Absolutely, in the sense it is the classic caveat impore
buyer beware, you can make your own decisions. I've got
no reason to doubt it, you know, obviously, things like
that because they're not a critical element of a building
that probably don't need or require, you know, code mark
or brand's appraisal or something like that. Because if there

(39:02):
is a failure, it's relatively low.

Speaker 8 (39:03):
Risk they actually clearing as well.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Yeah, okay, interesting, Hey, look at the stage you. I
will leave you to make your own decisions. Do you
take care?

Speaker 8 (39:19):
Bye?

Speaker 6 (39:20):
Bye bye all of this, Pete, that says a text,
and no one wants to hear your cynicism, which by
the way is spelled with a C, not an S.
It's so negative and boring and unprofessional. Thanks. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We
might just hold Jane, if that's okay, till after the break.

(39:40):
We're talking bathrooms and so on. Hey, Pete, you don't
need a building consent for solar only in the case
of a solar farm, so it's unlikely to hold up
a CCC. I hear what you're saying. But if you
got your building consent and use the I'm going to
get a process faster because I've got solar panels on
it as per the proposal from the government, then surely

(40:04):
it would be there on the building consent. And while
I agree with you, what they're saying is councils. Yeah.
The government is also stepping in to clarify that a
building consent was not needed to install rooftop solar panels.
And that's been a fairly common question. You know, people
will say, look, I've got an existing building, or I'm
going to do a new build, and I'm going to
take the opportunity of wiring because often it's the wiring.

(40:29):
Putting solar panels on is relatively straightforward. Getting the cabling
from the roof where the solar panels are down to
the distribution board can be a little bit challenging in
existing building, so it's a perfect time to do it
in a new build because obviously the walls are open,
you can run all that cabling. I've often suggested to
people in a new build, even if you don't do

(40:51):
the solar panels, put the cable in. Put some cables
in that might allow someone later on to do solar panels.
Makes it so much easier, So very clear, and our
government is going to clarify that that you don't need
a building consent for solar panels. But if you do
include solar panels in you're on the design for a
building consent or a house design, then that will be

(41:14):
process quicker. So I guess the check on that to
ensure that people aren't brought in the system is at
final inspection. If you got it process quicker because you
had panels. We're going to make sure the panels are
on the roof. But yes, you can see some of
the challenges and that back.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
After the break, helping you get those DIY projects done right.
The resident builder with Peta Wolfcamp call, Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty youth talk ZB.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
Well, welcome back to the show. It is six and
a half minutes after seven yourth peak. Wolf Camp resident
builder right through till nine o'clock this morning. As always
we jump into the garden with roid climb passed from
eight point thirty. If you'd like to join us right now,
we have lines free. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? Just a quick one
before we talk with Jane. Just following on from Sandy

(42:03):
with regard to building consents and cc SO a code
compliance certificate here we go. Hey, Pete, read the CCC
after a reno's completed. I've just completed ours via the
Auckland City Council. Took me a day to get my
info together, one email to the builder and it was
granted in two weeks time. Our build was a deck

(42:23):
and then ripping out a wall to replace it with
a large sliding door. So let her know it's not
a horrible process. Cheers from V. Thanks very much for that. Look,
I would agree with you. It's just you've just got
to knuckle down and do it. It's not doing your
tax returns. Basically, CCC's the same you've got to in
the building consent. When you get your building consent, it

(42:44):
will actually list at the back of the consent a
whole lot of sort of requirements in terms of produce
a statement from a plumber or waterproofer, depending on what
type of building you're doing. It'll list those consent those conditions.
So when you note those and then as you're going through,
make sure you're getting the documentation that you require. And
then when you go to apply for this CCC, which

(43:07):
you do online through a portal, you just need to
make sure that you supply all of that documentation. My
only criticism that I have of the system at the
moment is that in the past, when it was a
paper system, it gave you a checklist, so at the
end of your build. Most of the ones that I
was doing it was new builds. At the end of

(43:29):
the build you'd have kind of a checklist, so it
would say you need to produce a statement from the plumber,
you need a roofing warranty, you need a record of works,
you need da da da da da, and it listed
them all. When you do it online, it doesn't give
you a list. It doesn't give you a checklist. And
for what it's worth, my approach over the last couple
of years is I will provide everything that I've got

(43:51):
because there's no checklist. It doesn't say you've completed it
or you've ticked every box. So I put in all
of the documentation that I've got and there still might
be an RIFI. There still might be, you know, a
request from council for a specific piece of informant to
just upload and submit and get it through. But the
processing times I think are mostly reasonable if you've done

(44:13):
your part as well in terms of the quality of
the documentation that you're providing. Right, Oh, just on nine
months after seven, will take your calls. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty and Jane, A very.

Speaker 7 (44:24):
Good morning to you, Oh good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (44:26):
And so it's fabulous, my pleasure.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Help. Now.

Speaker 17 (44:31):
My problem is I'm a bit concerned between two thousand
and eight and twenty ten my husband and I. My
husband at that time was developing dementia, but I hadn't
clicked at that point. We had high pressured leaks in
the bathrooms and decided between that time to get the

(44:55):
bathrooms replaced upstairs downstairs, and the kitchen and all the
plumbing replaced from the black piping to the grave piping.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
Right, So did you have the older ducks quest We
had the.

Speaker 17 (45:06):
Older black and when it bends, it splits, and that's
what happened to us.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
Yes.

Speaker 17 (45:11):
Now I have every receipt.

Speaker 8 (45:15):
From that time.

Speaker 17 (45:17):
I can't find any of the C C C or anything.
And I'm thinking I may one day want to sell.
My husband has since died from the dementia. If I
decide to sell this, i'll need a limb report. Now
I'm thinking of applying for it, just to just out
of curiosity, to see what has and hasn't been consented.

(45:42):
How do all I've got are the receipts? What else
am I supposed to have?

Speaker 6 (45:49):
Okay? My sense is that I don't think you really,
I don't think you need to worry that the work
that was done probably well hang on hand, I think so.
So a couple of things. One is, you know that
sort of plumbing work, right, it's done by license like.

Speaker 18 (46:07):
For like or not like for like.

Speaker 17 (46:09):
But it's replacing the same.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
Basically the same system, right, so it's water pipes and
now it's water pipes. So that sort of work can
be done by hopefully a licensed plumber. They've done the
work to the building code and it's obviously worked right,
so you don't have leaks anymore more. So that wouldn't
I don't believe that would have required a building consent,

(46:32):
and so then there's no issue. The other thing, though,
is it would be worth going and requesting a copy
of the LIMB prior to listing the property, or get
your agent to do it, if you want to do
it that way and have a look for it.

Speaker 17 (46:49):
I do, I actually excuse me, so I actually request ALUM.

Speaker 19 (46:54):
So I apply for ALUM.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
You just do it online. You just put in the details,
your details. I think it costs about seventy dollars or
something like that, and just request the property file and
the LIMB should be included in that. Have a look
through the LIMB, which is a land information memorandum and
just have a look. A couple of pages in it
will say it will list all of the building consents.

(47:16):
It will also list the building permits. So if the
house was done earlier on, it'll have a building permit.
They don't have cccs attached to them, so don't worry
about that. But if it's a building consent, it should
have a CCC attached to it, so just go back
and check. And I've said this a couple of times.
My approach to this has changed a little bit that

(47:37):
in the past, if a building consent had been issued
and it didn't have a CCC, sometimes I'd go, oh, well, look,
we'll just sort that out later on. It can be
very challenging to sort out getting a CCC for a
building consent that's dated. So if that was the case,
if there was work done that had a building consent

(47:59):
but didn't get a CCC, you'd probably want to get
some professional advice about what you can do to close
that out. But I go for that, well, look, chances
are you know you've got some contacts who are local
trades people or an experienced, you know, gray haired builder
who might be able to come around and have a
look at it. If you need to go for advice.

(48:21):
Beyond that, then you're probably going to need to engage
a building server who might be able to come prepare
the documentation and so on. Counsel have And again I
don't mean to be overly cautious all that. That's just
from my own recent experience working for a client where
we've discovered a building consent that didn't get closed out,

(48:42):
didn't have a CCC, and I've been involved in the
process of then getting that closed out. Has been quite
a lot of time and a reasonable amount of money
and a lot of professionals involved in proving that the
building work is compliant with the code. So again, if
there's but I'm.

Speaker 17 (49:02):
Afraid of yeah, and the oven, the stove, the stove top,
but the actual oven was moved just beside.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
Where it was, that's fine, doesn't require a consent. So
the main thing for you, I think is to go
and request a copy of the limb, have a look
through that and just see whether there's any building consents
that don't have a limb attached to them, And then
that's what I would focus on, And you only have
to focus on the nature of the work that was

(49:30):
included in the building consent. It's not the entire building rich, Okay,
you know possibly, you know, like a reasonably experienced carpenter
who you might know, friend of a friend sort of thing,
would be able to help you with that and at
least be able to read through the documentation and tell
you what to look for.

Speaker 16 (49:49):
Right, Well, I do, I do have a very good builder.

Speaker 6 (49:53):
Actually, the request the file, print it off, give it
to them, or forward it to them on an email.
They'll have a look through and then you can start
the process from there.

Speaker 17 (50:02):
Okay, thank you, it'll be fine.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
My pleasure. Nice to talk to you all the best
by by then, one oh LIMB reports cost between two
hundred and fifty and three hundred bucks. Really, someone just
texts that through last one that I requested, I think

(50:25):
it was like seventy six dollars. I might have to
text real estate agent find out because they're typically the
ones who are getting them. Wow, I'm happy to take
texts on that. If you've gone to your local territorial authority,
your local council and requested a copy of the LIMB
the land information Memorandum, what did it cost you two

(50:50):
hundred and fifty to three hundred bucks?

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Cheap.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
It's all about cost recovery, accounting. It is coming up
sixteen minutes after seven. We'll take short break. We'll be
back with John in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
God was, but maybe call Pete first, feed your wolfcare
the resident builder News talks, he'd be news talks, he'd.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
Be we're talking all things building and construction. Eight hundred
eighty ten eighty the number to call. Before the break,
Dennis was asking about a plantation bamboo that's been recomposed
into decking boards, which I know is out there and
I haven't personally had an opportunity to use it. So

(51:32):
I said, look, if you've used it, hey, let me know. So, Hey, Pete,
I'm a builder. We've used the bamboo product on a
couple of projects. It does fade off quickly, which may
or may not be a bad thing. And because it's
it all comes and fixed length, you've got to think
about your joice centers. So that's quite interesting. It's not

(51:53):
one of the cheapest options. Stone and steel clips which
are hidden so there's no screws exposed. That's quite nice.
Thanks from Kerrey. Thank you Kerrey for that comment. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It's starting to get a couple of who Property file
service standard seventy five dollars Urgent one hundred and fourteen

(52:13):
are Parmeister North a limb five hundred and twenty one
dollars for a limb five hundred and twenty one bucks
and parmist North crikey. Actually a couple of people have
said that, Um, yeah, Parmison North five hundred and twenty

(52:35):
one dollars for a limb, requesting the building file held
at the Palmised North City Council thirty six dollars. So
someone else? Property file standard seventy five dollars, URGE one
hundred and fourteen Commercial one hundred and forty six. So
would the property file include the limb? Maybe not? Anyway,
we'll continue to get clarity on that. Oh wait, hundred

(52:57):
we go, Hey, Peter. The limb and the property file
are two different things, and hence the request property file
is less than one hundred dollars, depending on if it's
a standard request or an URGE one. The limb is
indeed almost three hundred dollars for a standard request. It's
more expensive since it takes time to assemble. Also, sure
that the building consent information is in the property file,
not in the limb. Sean, I'd probably disagree with you

(53:21):
on that. And all of the ones that I've read recently,
and it's probably a handful of them, probably five or
six in the last couple of weeks, when we've requested
the limb, the building consent information is included, and that's
a building and resource consents typically are included in the
limbs that I've read. But thanks for that, John, much appreciated.
And from John Texter to John Caller, Good.

Speaker 18 (53:43):
Morning, John, Yes, good morning for the lady that she
did all the plumbing. Yeah, I bor a unit, and
I knew I bought a what shall we say, very politely,
how to work on it? But I've got a cheap.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
Soul, best street, worst house.

Speaker 18 (53:59):
Yeah yeah, yeah, we never my Yeah, I'm all bated
it all again after scraped all the rubbish off the
rest of it, and then I thought, no, no, no, no,
Look I don't like to look his light switches. So
I got the reputable firm and I said, look, I
want all the lights switches, three point plugs left the wiring.
Do this, do that, do the next thing, And so

(54:21):
they did it.

Speaker 20 (54:22):
All.

Speaker 18 (54:22):
And then I said to him, what's the swtchboard?

Speaker 9 (54:26):
Like? Is?

Speaker 4 (54:26):
No?

Speaker 18 (54:27):
He says, you really should replace it. So that was due.
There was an extra, but I didn't mind anyhow. But
what I said to him, I said, what I want
you to do for me is I demise what you did,
so not that the ideomises for me, please, and then
I'll pay him. He said, well, so that was done.
I've got the thing. I paid him, and I did
the same as the plumber, and every bill I had

(54:48):
with the plumber asking for a seat or he emailed
me a seat, and I attached it to that bill.
When it came to tell this place, I found a
copied a lot and I gave them to the new owner.
I said, that is what's being done here, the bill
and everything else, and but just you own a board
a limon report and he just fell over the cost him.

(55:10):
I can't remember, see you said it cost about two
hundred and forty dollars And he said, I've got more
information on your file than.

Speaker 6 (55:19):
Yeah, I can imagine.

Speaker 18 (55:21):
But look if he sells it, she's got the proof.
Dere here. This is what I've done. It's all done professionally.
And then people are much quicker to make the decision.
And I would say a lot of people actually, given
what they have done and you've got your receipt, people say, well,
here's an honest fellow, he's giving it all. Oh'm I
got to bother about the bloody two hundred dollars to

(55:42):
do fifty for their live report.

Speaker 8 (55:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:45):
Look, I wouldn't suggest that you don't look at a
LIMB report because you've got information from a vendor or
from a homeowner. But I absolutely would encourage you and
everyone to do exactly what you've done. So if you've
had building work done, or any sort of work on
the house, plumbing, electrical, drainage, whatever it is, right, keep
the receipts. Whether you get text and you upload it

(56:07):
into a file and you can give someone a little
USB stick or something like that, whatever you do. But
if you keep it and it's reasonably well ordered, and
then when you go to sell, as inevitably most of
us do, if you've got that available, I think it's
a huge advantage when you know, at an open home

(56:28):
or during a discussion, someone can go, oh, actually that's great,
here's a receipt for the electrical work, and here's a
receipt for that, and maybe he's a warranty and here's
some instructions and those sorts of things. So keep all
of that in the file. It makes a massive difference
when you go to sell the house.

Speaker 18 (56:44):
Yeah, or sew it to. People have to remember is
for goodness sake, when you get an electrician and he
does electrical work, insist that you want a certificate of
compliance because as you can't prove on you have an
electrical fire, you're going to have a lot of fun
rest the insurance.

Speaker 6 (57:03):
In my experience, most of the time that I've had
you know, like not not electrical work that's part of
a building concent or anything like that. But if I've
got the guys in to do you know, add an
extra switch or change something around, or make an alteration,
all the sort of work that electricians can do and
their self certifying, I always make sure I get a CoA,
yep CIC sorry sertificate and compliance.

Speaker 18 (57:24):
Yeah, yeah, because because I fair love and fell like okay,
the insurance company finally agreed after the right, But he
learned his lesson after that because he didn't you know,
he didn't even know he had to have a cooc
the bulls and.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
A bit of a drama.

Speaker 18 (57:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But I said, I just
tell the lady that that could help her also on
the way.

Speaker 6 (57:48):
Excellent, Thank you very much for that and well done.
All the best, John, take care. It's all right by
by then. I think there's a bit of an accent
in there that I might recognize. It is seven to
twenty six here at Newstalk CEB. If you've got a
building question, now's a great time to call. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. More
than happy to get texts on the limbs. Someone's gone

(58:10):
to Google. That's kind of cheating. I mean, I appreciate
the text in the effort, but I'd like real experience.
So standard limb between Auckland Council website three hundred and
fifty one dollars. Jeez, I'm a bit out of touch,
to be fair, folks. As per Google, standard limb between
two hundred and sixty five and three hundred and ninety

(58:30):
three dollars, an urgent one between four and fifty and
five hundred and ninety That might explain the five hundred
and twenty five dollars from Pumpston North District Council properly
file in christ Church forty bucks separate to the limb,
just contains all the emails and PDFs of consents and
so on. So yeah, they are not the same thing.

(58:53):
Wellington Council surprise, surprise, five hundred and fifty two dollars
and thirty cents for a residential limb. Wow, standard lim
three hundred and sixty five. It's quite a bit of
variation around the country limbs three hundred, but wow, Cluther

(59:18):
District Council three hundred and twenty five, that's not unreasonable.

Speaker 8 (59:22):
I guess.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
Well, when they say they have to put it together,
I just feel that, Oh anyway, maybe if you've been
involved in the putting together of a limb from a
council point of view, let me know what's involved in it.
It's three five hundred and fifty two dollars and thirty

(59:49):
cents in Wellington, not the most expensive that particular honor
on Palmerston or five hundred and twenty one, So at
this stage no surprises. Perhaps Wellington City Council seemingly are
the most expensive for a residential limb. You can beat that.
Please let me know we'll have a little leaderboard right now,

(01:00:11):
Wellington most expensive for requesting a five hundred and fifty
two dollars and thirty cents. You might not want to
beat it, but it'd be interesting to know. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to call. Hey,
good a Chris, Yeah, good morning, very well yourself.

Speaker 13 (01:00:28):
Yeah not there not being beautiful morning down Tarnaby, It's.

Speaker 8 (01:00:35):
Go what's up?

Speaker 14 (01:00:37):
Okay?

Speaker 20 (01:00:38):
I talked to you a while back about we were
looking at buying a property and I have a few
questions about where to go through all that with me
and at the jump, and I've brought.

Speaker 13 (01:00:46):
A hectare of beer land and we are now looking
at building a essentially a.

Speaker 14 (01:00:55):
Three bay implement shed.

Speaker 20 (01:00:57):
But I want to know what is the difference for
putting poles in the ground between an important level one
and an important level two building, because eventually would probably
look at cleaning all the building and insulating is making it.

Speaker 14 (01:01:13):
So I just want to make sure we get the
brown work right to start with.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
Look, to be absolutely honest, it's not a distinction that
I've heard between level one and level two. Surely when
where did you find that reference? Like, what's oh, he
we might have actually lost them. We've lost them. Okay,

(01:01:41):
we might try that again. Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call Pete. I'm an architectural
designer in Auckland. I suggest people order the full property
file as well as the limb. The property file gives
them some of the construction info. Yeah, it is handy.
I did one a couple of years ago for a property,
and I submitted it and I paid my money, and
about three days later I got a phone call from Council,

(01:02:04):
from someone working at council and they went, look, did
you request them for this particular property or yes, a
property file for this particular property on a CDEO I did.
He said, look, we've had a look and basically we've
got nothing like nothing of value on that particular property.
So just give us your bank account number and we'll
give you the money back, which I thought was pretty decent. Oh,

(01:02:27):
eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number of call just
gone seven to thirty. We'll take a short break, we'll
talk to Catherine in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Doing other house extorting the guard and asked Pete for
a hand The resident builder with Peter wolfcap call oh
eight hundred eight news dogs.

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
Funnily enough, in the break, I did a quick Google
search on level one pole structures, level one, level two.
The first hit was about technical complexity of people undertaking
pole dancing and structures related to anyway. I learned a
whole lot of stuff that I feel I don't need
to know. But more importantly, pole sheds and hay barns

(01:03:04):
can be in closed, semi enclosed, or open stret And
then the level is level one, level two is around
the wind zone. So if it's hopefully this is the
answer to your question, Chris, Level one, level two relates
to wind. So obviously, if you're going to put up
some poles and put a dumping great roof on the

(01:03:24):
top of it, if you're in a high wind zone,
you're going to have to do more work to hold
it down, hold it in place than if you're in
a low wind zone. So that's what level one, level
two seems to be about. Makes sense.

Speaker 14 (01:03:37):
Okay, So it's another to do with water and grease
upper pole.

Speaker 6 (01:03:42):
No, No, I don't believe so. From what I've seen,
and it's just a brief look, it's all around wind
and around ensuring that the roof stays on. If just
a thinking ahead, if your intention is potentially, you know,
in years to come, to look at enclosing the structure
and making it a habitable space, I would suggest that

(01:04:04):
you think about that now in terms of what you're building.
So like wicking in a timber post into a structure,
because the challenge sometimes with these and you want to
go off and talk to the pole manufacturers or talk
to the people are supplying the shed, is to say,
if I put a post in the ground or a
pole in the ground, and that pole ends up being

(01:04:27):
inside my building, how do I ensure how do I
answer a question around what happens to any moisture that
might wick up the pole and come into my habitable
space because my pole is inside the building structure. Now,
it might be as simple as coating the posts or
the poles before you put them in the ground with

(01:04:48):
a waterproof compound or a special type of paint or
a coating. Right that means that you don't get that
wicking in which case that would be something extra that
you would need to do when you're building, but it
will help you later on. If you say I'm going
to submit a building consent to convert my pole structure
into a habitable space. And by the way, here's some

(01:05:10):
evidence to prove that wicking through the timber into the
building structure. I've addressed that by doing this, and here's
the evidence for it.

Speaker 21 (01:05:18):
Yes, yep, yeah, I sort of figured something like a
late eggs paint or something. Ye're putting the actual pole yep.
One hundred above ground level something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
Just so that later on when you submit a building consent,
you know, because effectively it's going to be an alteration
because you've already got a building there. And then at
this stage your pole structure is not going to have
any cladding on the outside.

Speaker 21 (01:05:43):
On one third will be enclosed, so it's basically a
three three bay shed.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:05:49):
Two bays will be open and one will be fully enclosed.

Speaker 6 (01:05:52):
Okay, So again, if you're thinking that later on it
might be habitable, then the way in which you do
the cladding on that third space you would try and
do that in accordance with the building code. So typically
with open spaces we don't put a building wrap or
so on behind the metal, but in this instance you
might actually want to do maybe even something like a

(01:06:14):
rigid air barrier and then a cavity, and then you're
cladding on the outside, or at the very least, you'd
want to do building paper with a cavity and so on,
and then so to prove compliance with a building code,
because what you don't want to do is in a
couple of years time find that you have to peel
off all of your existing cladding in order to add
that vapor barrier to the outside, which is required. You

(01:06:36):
could do it now and save yourself. You know, it's
it's an investment now, but it'll save you in the
long run.

Speaker 21 (01:06:42):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, sort of the enclosed part. I
would probably build to an important level two standard just
for that reason and then take lots of photos.

Speaker 14 (01:06:53):
Yep. And like you say before, people are receipts on file.

Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
Yeah. Absolutely, But even if it's not like level one,
level two is it is related to the Building Act,
but not necessarily to the Building Code. So I'd get
some specific advice around what do I need to do
in order to plaid this building in accordance with the
building code. So in terms of coverage, fixings, span between
the fixings, vapor barrier on the outside, those sorts of things.

(01:07:17):
Make sure that that's to the building code.

Speaker 21 (01:07:21):
Would would that be a conversation with a district council
or with a builder.

Speaker 6 (01:07:26):
Well, ideally with a designer and in some ways with
the designer who might submit your building consent in the future. Right, So,
if you've got someone in mind, talk to them now
and then they're familiar with it as well. I'm just
thinking that would be helpful. Yes, much appreciate, good luck,
all the best. I'm awesome you then take care, Chris Bob,

(01:07:47):
I think oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If
you've got some building questions, let me just go back
to my list. Sef, I've got some more costings for limbs. Right, Oh,
this is a good detailed one stand by folks. High Pete.
Limbs are a legislative doc and the content is very prescriptive.

(01:08:08):
I work at council, but in it the LIMB team
sit right next to me. When they receive a LIMB request,
they send requests to all departments for their specific information
on a property. This includes rivers, assets, services, compliance roading.
A LIMB then includes things like floodplain information, zoning information,
any geotechnical information. It's not just the building consens legal

(01:08:31):
time frame is ten working days, but they are usually
completed well within this timeframe. They then compile all of
the information into a limb. If you just want to
check out the property file, some council's charge, but it's less.

Speaker 7 (01:08:45):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
I work at the Marlborough District Council and you you
your property files for free in the Marlborough District Council.
Thank you very much for that. That's super information. That's
great much pressure. So that's an insight into how limbs
are compiled. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty
is that number? Call hello Catherine, Hello, good morning morning.

Speaker 16 (01:09:09):
And now my problem is I think it's a problem.
All my ceilings are cracking right from one side to
the other where the join is, and also downstairs it's
got fine cracks, and thee and the lounge and also
some of the doors are sticking, and the towers and
the bathroom are cracking right and I'm not quite sure

(01:09:33):
who I should get in.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
Touch with sure.

Speaker 16 (01:09:36):
Also, also we've got a shared drive next door. I'm
in a townhouse. Yes, share driving next door, which was
in this one part when I moved in here to
eleven years ago, but the middle part of it has
dropped down about probably four inches, and I just wondered
if that's a telltale sign.

Speaker 18 (01:09:58):
How old?

Speaker 6 (01:09:58):
Roughly is the building.

Speaker 16 (01:09:59):
Itself about twenty five I think twenty five.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
Years so I built around two thousand.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
Probably.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
Is it on a timber floor or is it on
a concrete floor?

Speaker 19 (01:10:15):
Concrete floor?

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
And is it adjoining other properties or is it solo?

Speaker 16 (01:10:23):
No, I'm joined its own host. I'm joineddu't as somebody
next door just.

Speaker 6 (01:10:27):
On one side. Do you know whether they have experienced
or can see similar movement?

Speaker 16 (01:10:36):
No, I haven't sport to them.

Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
I mean, I think it's it's worthy of further investigation
in the sense that maybe in the first instance, again,
you know, an experienced builder could come and kind of
get a sense of whether like buildings will settle right
and buildings will move and we kind of have a
tolerance for a certain amount of movement, in which case,

(01:11:01):
a door that sticks from time to time, that might
be due to just moisture, It might be just due
to the changes between summer and winter. It might be
indicative of some more significant subsidence or structural failure in
a sense of the building. But you'll soon you know,
again from experience, you'll soon get a sense of is

(01:11:23):
this something significant. The other thing is that, let's say
the last time the building was stopped and painted was
maybe fifteen or twenty years ago, then it's not unexpected
to see cracks and so on. You'll see a little
bit of movement around the doorframe, you might see a
joint that opens up on the ceiling, these sorts of things.
You know, if you said to me it's a three

(01:11:44):
year old townhouse, then I'd go, actually, that's worthy of
really significant investigation. But twenty five year old house, there
may have been a certain amount of movement. What you
would be most concerned about is is this movement indicative
of a serious issue with subsidence or movement in the slab,
or is this one of those things that over a

(01:12:05):
period of time you'll get and if we fixed it,
it won't come back again. So my suggestion would be
to reach out to an experienced builder who either you
know or is recommended to you. They'll come through give
you a general sense of is there something to be
concerned about? If there is something really serious with the building,
then you'd probably want to get professional advice. From a

(01:12:28):
structural engineer who could come and determine, maybe take some levels,
that sort of thing. But if not, then it might
just be the building needs some work. Doors need to
be easy, the ceiling can be stopped, that sort of thing.
But you really need to be there in person looking
at it to get a sense of what's going on. Yeah,

(01:12:48):
but if I was in your shoes, I wouldn't jump
to the conclusion that, hey, I've got a significant issue
with that. It would be worth pointing out to whoever
comes that, Hey, look, there's been some significant movement to
the driveway outside or those sorts of things, because that
would you know, for driveways move that much, it probably
indicates that it wasn't particularly well prepped in the first place,

(01:13:11):
in which case, if that wasn't well prepped, then maybe
some of the slab wasn't as well prepped and there
might be some move on the outside of the building.
What's the cladding's what's the outside lining?

Speaker 16 (01:13:24):
Well, it looks like wood, but it's not like a
plastic stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
Yeah, sure, And in that like, do you ever notice
that any of your windows or the door, the front
door and that sort of thing get difficult to open
or close.

Speaker 16 (01:13:40):
The front door.

Speaker 6 (01:13:41):
Front door does okay, So it's that sort of thing.
It's like, you know, it's a whole series of twells
in a poker game, you're asking someone to identify and go, okay,
that gets a bit sticky. Does it only get sticky
in winter and in summer it's okay, in which case
you can adjust the door.

Speaker 10 (01:13:55):
For that.

Speaker 16 (01:13:58):
Downstairs door wardrobe door has been sticking for years? Someone
around winter?

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
Yeah, and I no, I just regional.

Speaker 16 (01:14:07):
Rang which I just slooked up and I noticed this.
The scusshous cracked straight through.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
It was the last week, right, okay, And look partly,
you know, depending on where you are in the country,
we've had a particularly long, hot, dry summer and now
we've had a lot of rainfall. Buildings tend to move
in those conditions.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
It's it's a it's a sort of a scale, isn't
it where you're going? You know, is this a significant
problem or a relatively minor problem. My sense is that
it feels like it's relatively minor. But again, someone to
have eyes on and have a look at it would
be really worthwhile.

Speaker 16 (01:14:44):
Okay, I'll do that. Okay, thank you all.

Speaker 6 (01:14:46):
The very best. You, take care you and News talks'd B.
We can take a break. It is seven forty five,
let's call it seven forty six actually, then we'll come
back and talk to Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fence, or wondering
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Speaker 6 (01:15:06):
Today we're looking into tryboard as a lining option. So
it comes in two point four or three point six
meter sheets. It's ten mil. It's got two MDF outer
layers in a strand board inner layer, light durable, can
handle the NOx. It's pretty tough, so it's perfect for
renovations and for new builds. Joining us this morning is

(01:15:26):
Brendan Morony from Store in z Now. You specialize in kitchens,
cabins and custom builds based up in Northland. You've been
using it for a couple of years. How did you
get interested in tryboard?

Speaker 19 (01:15:38):
I started using trybards just after the COVID lockdowns, and
the reason I started using it is because plywoods became
quite inconsistent, just availability and also the varying price and
the quality as well.

Speaker 16 (01:15:53):
The quality really.

Speaker 19 (01:15:55):
Plumed a little bit, I think just due to availability.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
Sure. So in terms of the installation process, this is
your lining over conventional timber framing, speed complexity, walk us
through it.

Speaker 19 (01:16:07):
So, yeah, it's pretty it's pretty simple. We just we
do our framing and insulation and cabling, and then the
triboarder is glued to our timber framing and then pins
and then also screwed, just just to compress the glue
and give it a good fixing. It's not used as
a bracing element, but it definitely does add a bracing
element to the structure.

Speaker 6 (01:16:28):
In terms of selection of links, what do you typically use?

Speaker 19 (01:16:34):
I use both the two point four and the three
point six one. I find the two point four mainly
for the wall linings, and then also if I build
a higher unit, I can cut down the three point six,
But then the three point six is ideal for going
across the ceiling long ways. Just just less less boards,
less work. Yeah, so you're using it a nicer finish.

Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
Walls and ceilings.

Speaker 19 (01:16:58):
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
In terms of coating it, what would your top tips
for coating it be.

Speaker 19 (01:17:06):
I don't really have many top tips for courting as
to come in and do it.

Speaker 18 (01:17:10):
Yell.

Speaker 19 (01:17:10):
As far as the courting goes, it's it's a lot
nicer than than a flywood finish. It's there's no inconsistencies
or not. So it definitely comes up really nice once
it's finished, and we put a little chamfur on the joint, yes,
and line them up with the ceiling, and yeah, it
looks stunny.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
And because with the MDF skin on it, it does
give you a really really smooth finish, doesn't it It does.

Speaker 19 (01:17:33):
Yeah, it's it's when you look side by side with
NDF and firewood, you get a really nice finish.

Speaker 6 (01:17:39):
Nice in terms of some projects coming up, where do
you think you'll be using tribwood next?

Speaker 19 (01:17:46):
I use triboard on I'd say ninety five percent of
my cabins, so I'll be using it this week. I
buy it quite quite regularly, probably buy a pack of
fifty every two weeks. Yes, Yeah, that's I was in
stock in my in my workshop.

Speaker 6 (01:18:03):
It's brilliant. It's become sort of an integral part of
the buildings that you do.

Speaker 19 (01:18:08):
Yeah, definitely. It's just that consistency, consistency and product price
and availability.

Speaker 6 (01:18:14):
And and a finish that you're really happy with Yeah, and.

Speaker 19 (01:18:17):
Also the customers love that they come and they're always
impressed with the finish. So that's that's I was. I
was a bonus good to hear.

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
If you want to look at some of Brendan's projects,
have a look at store dot co dot nz. That's
s t o R dot co dot n z. To
find out more about tryboard, go to JNL dot co
dot nz.

Speaker 10 (01:18:36):
Z b.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
You and news talk z B. If you want more
information on the triboard, just check out JNL dot co
dot z for all the information on their range of products,
which includes triboard and good old jframe as well, which
I've got to go and pick up six hundred meters
of jframe on Wednesday. I think for a project that
made of Mind's doing so I might end up helping

(01:19:02):
out for half a day as well. He's going to
cut frame up on side. Haven't done that for a while.
That should be good fun. Oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call quick text morning peak.
We're changing wooden joinery to new double glazed aluminium jowinery.
We're also putting in a new stacker in where the
garage door is the work will be done by a

(01:19:22):
licensed building practitioner. Do we need a building consent? Thanks Kathy.
The question, Kathy is if you are putting in a
stacker where the garage door is, is that are you
intending to then use the garage for something other than
the garage? And given it's very difficult to drive a

(01:19:43):
car through a stacker, well certainly without damaging it, then
I suspect that what you're doing is changing the purpose
of that room. If you're going to make it into
a habitable space, then that habitable space needs to comply

(01:20:04):
with the building code. If it's an existing garage, is
it insulated, does the cladding have a vapor barrier? Is
there a vapor barrier under the slab? So those sorts
of things might trigger a requirement for a building consent.
Interestingly enough, and I found this document on the Organ
Council website a couple of weeks ago when we were

(01:20:26):
talking about a garage that had been converted into another space,
originally like a rumpus and then ultimately it had a
bed in there and that whole thing around change of
use and the guidance from Augan Council on the PDF
that I found was that change of use is not

(01:20:47):
a reason to get a building consent.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
But.

Speaker 6 (01:20:52):
Pladding, joinery, vapor barriers, those are reasons to get building consents.
And that's where I think, Kathy, you might need to
get some advice on that as to whether or not
you could do or should do that work without getting
a building consent. Radio coming up. Actually we are getting
very close to New Sport and we're the top of
the hour. Do you think Steve will Holt We'll ask him.

(01:21:15):
We'll see. Just on the level one level two for
the pole shed someone's text through Brian, thank you for this.
Level one level two for the pole sheds relates to
the overall rigidity of the building. Assuming that level two
is going to be a ininhabitable space, it will have
internal linings that are subject to cracking. So, for example,

(01:21:35):
as the plaster boards us, regardless of level one and
level two, sheds are designed for the specific wind zones
that they are subject to in their location, so there's
rigidity as well, and obviously wind zones as well. We've
talked a little bit about the bamboo. Someone I mentioned
a waterproofing product that I used a couple of weeks ago,

(01:21:58):
A couple of months ago now actually on a flat roof,
just to give me a little bit of extra protection
for the winter. That's well on its way now. That
was in juris so Injurius is the product there that
I used just as an application over the top of
an existing flat roof, essentially to extend its life. That's
what I was trying to achieve and it seems to

(01:22:19):
have worked pretty well at the stage as well, which
is great. So Injurious was that the name of that
one at this stage? Wellington Council is the most expensive
council to request a limb from. I've just been online
to the Auckland Council website. Standard limb three hundred and
sixty seven dollars, Wellington five hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor. Get the right advice from
Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on Newstalk ZMB.

Speaker 6 (01:22:49):
You're a news talk zb oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Just completely unrelated
to this, but a highlight for my week, I have
to say. I went on Thursday evening to the gala
performance for the Big Singh Coral Competition. Essentially which has
run around the country for secondary schools and choirs enter

(01:23:12):
and they in Auckland, for example, they competed over three days,
so Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and then the groups that competed
on Thursday then all performed one piece. From there they
have to do three songs for the competition. They performed
one piece to a gala performance that mom and dad
like us can come along and have a look at.

(01:23:33):
I'm new to this whole world, but we went last
year and enjoyed it. Went on Thursday night. What a
fantastic event, just fantastic. And to see a whole bunch
of secondary school students who are obviously disciplined, engaged, very professional,
presenting a wide range of choral music to such a

(01:23:55):
high standard. What a fantastic event. If your school age
kid comes home and goes, I'm thinking of getting involved
in a choir and going to the big thing. Don't
stand their way. It's absolutely fantastic. I had a great
time on thusday, Rightio eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
is the number to call. Steve, very patient man, Thank
you very much for waiting. Let's talk property files.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
Yeah here, Pete, Yeah, okay, look as you probably know
I've been. We've talked before. I'm an architectural designer. You
have been the book industry over toty year. And look,
it's just one thing I wanted to bring up to
about the about code compliances, right and what homeowners need
to be sort of wary of. And I believe that

(01:24:39):
the disconnect and I'm running into I run into the
situation quite often. And you don't know if you hear
about it much yourself, because it sounds like you're very
diligent in helping your clients get their code compliances, and
you probably arrange things as for them as a matter
of goodwill. But what the situations I run into is
that not every field is as diligence and as conscientious

(01:25:02):
as you peek. And you probably know about this situation
where there's a bit of a disconnect. So the builder
will quote the job and you'll get his final you'll
get probably his final payment on the final inspection, which
is the practical the practical completion inspection, and that'll generally
be the end, the end point for the builder and

(01:25:25):
he'll get his final payment. Now, the owners happy with
this because it's great, right, you've had the council come through,
do the inspection after and they think all the hard
work's been done. Hey, but wait, they've forgotten they got
coded compliance. And a lot of them don't actually have
any idea that they're the ones who are meant to
arrange all the paperwork. And a lot of the time

(01:25:47):
the building goes quiet, he goes off to the next job.
The owners happy they're living in it, and they don't
realize but in the background, the code of compliance hasn't
been applied for And then time is picking on the
expiry date, and then all of a sudden they get
the home owner two years later, it gets letters coming
in from the council going, you're you're building going to
see it's about to expire. You won't be able to

(01:26:07):
get your code compliance. Send them into a panic. I
get a call, I get the building from the get go.
They think it's my job. I say no, I get
your building consents and then we hand it over to
the builder. Your builder should have really helped you out there. Now,
I think there's a gap in the law there right
in the regulatory environment that's allowing this gap. Do you

(01:26:30):
believe that builders should have some sort of obligation.

Speaker 6 (01:26:34):
No, I don't, Actually, I really don't, and for the
simple reason that so we'll just part that right. So,
I don't think that we need to add more legislation
or more responsibility on builders lbps to work with their
clients to get the LBP to get the CCC through.

(01:26:55):
I think what we do need to do is to
have a bit more education around the responsibilities of people
who are having building work done to get the CCC
signed off, and that responsibility rests with the homeowner. Now,
you know, it would be really easy for a homeowner
when engaging with a builder for restricted building work, work

(01:27:17):
that requires a consent, work that's going to need a
CCC to have it finished, right, is to go to
the builder as part of your contract to me, can
you allow some time tell me what it's going to
cost for you to apply and get the CCC and
add it to the contract. It's as simple as that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
But I'll tell you what people, you know, the reality
on the ground as we hear about education in New
Zealand for everything, let's just educate that, let's educate this
and that and that it never it never works.

Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
Mate.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
You've got to have you've got to have a bit
of stick at the end, because the homeowner at the
beginning gets your quotes from the builders, right, and they're
overwhelmed with all this paperwork. I get that they have
no idea what's going on, and so I and saying,
you know, like I said, education only works on people
like you, mate, people who want to take it an
absorbit to.

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
Be fair to the work particularly well with me. But no,
I just think it's at this stage. I think the
best thing that we could do is to just really
emphasize the fact that if as a homeowner, you know
what your responsibilities are. And that's why I've got a
text an hour and a half ago someone said, look,
we've just done a relatively minor alteration how the builders finished.

(01:28:30):
The final inspection was done. We got the paperwork. It
took me a morning to get everything together. I've submitted
it and I've got the CCC. So you know, I
don't want to present an image where the CCC is
really really hard to get. Often it's just a case
of knowing what you need and that can be a
bit challenging and then submitting it in a timely fashion.
So I just think if as a if you're a

(01:28:56):
client and you've contracted a builder and you are unsure
about that process or you feel that you don't have
the bandwidth to do it, you know, in terms of
time and experience. Then just add the responsibility to get
the CCC back on the builder. The builder will charge
you the time for it, which is appropriate, but then
at least you know it's going to get done.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
But what about this pee do you think the homeowners
should hold final a portion of the payment back and
tool code compliances are received because the builder has an
obligation to provide paperwork. And this is what people don't
understand or the producers. Yes, so a lot of the
time they don't get that. In my experience, there's a
lot of lazy builders out there. And let's face it,

(01:29:37):
we like to say New Zealanders don't do this kind
of thing, but they do. They're like any other trades
person in the world. There are roague ones out there
and they'll take the easiest path like water, and they'll
grab that final payment and they'll disappear and you try
getting them back if they if they've already had their
final payment. So I believe home oders need to hold
if there was some sort of education thing. It's got

(01:29:58):
to be from the get go from the council, I believe,
because they do read through the consent packs when they
get their building consent. I always tell my clients when
they get their building consent because I've done all the plans,
I have a read for the consent pack on everything,
because they're little bits in there. There are miss and
like getting your engineers to inspect as well. A lot

(01:30:19):
of the time they missed this and the builder doesn't
arrange the engineer, the private structural engineer as well to
have a look. And then all of a sudden at
the end the council's asking for the PS four producer
statement and the homeowners going, oh, what the heck's that?
I'm getting a call two years later. And then also
a little bit guilty because they're using jargon that can

(01:30:39):
panic the homeowner, like we're going to cancel yours. You
know if you and I were if we got on
the ticket for the next maryalty. People. I want to
know where all all the problems are to.

Speaker 6 (01:30:54):
Point out something to be really clear for people. So
a licensed building practitioner doing restricted building work has an
obligation under the Act to provide a record of work
or a memorandum of work, right, and they can't. Regardless,
you can't withhold that in order to ensure payment. And

(01:31:16):
I know someone an LBP who knew that, got that
sense right that the client wasn't going to pay the
final invoice, and so they said, well, we're not going
to you know, I'm not going to give you a
record of work for the work that I've done until
you pay me. And the client went to the disciplinary board.
The board investigated and find the guy two thousand dollars

(01:31:38):
for withholding a record of work. Right, So it's really
clear for us as LBPS, we must issue a record
of work when required for the work that we've done.
But look, to sum this up, I think I think
it's really important that the home owners understand their responsibility
in order to get it. The simplest thing to do

(01:31:58):
is if you don't think you can do it, or
you don't know enough about it, or you don't have
the time to do it, or you're not interested or whatever,
add it into the building contracts you've got with It
could be with the designer. I mean, you could do
it on behalf of a client. The LBP could do it.
You know, a project manager could do it. Anyone could
do it. You just hand the responsibility over, agree to

(01:32:19):
the cost, and go right. It's your job. And if
it's not your job, then it's ultimately going to be
the homeowner's job.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
I'll hear your pete. Can I say one more thing
before we go? I'll tell you what you talk about
homeowners and educating them? How long is a licensed building practitioners?

Speaker 9 (01:32:35):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
How long has that been in place for trades people
to be licensed? Been in place? What for fifteen years?

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
Now?

Speaker 8 (01:32:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:32:42):
I mean I got registered in twenty twelve, so that's
thin end years ago.

Speaker 8 (01:32:46):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
Most now, I deal with hundreds of people, of course
for a year, right who want to do alterations new builds.
They most of them have no idea about a licensed
building practitioner where to look if they have to be lighted.
They still think a master builders a building practitioner. Now
is it crazy?

Speaker 8 (01:33:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:33:05):
I know?

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
And they still go off as a good bloke, he
good dog in the back.

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
I hear yeah, I hear, yeah, I hear you. And
that's why that's why we talk about and that's why
I'll continue to sort of you know, talk about these
other basics. Right, this is the stuff that everybody needs
to know about what an LBP is, what restricted building workers,
and hopefully what the CCC is. And you should feel
really good about getting one at the end of the job.

(01:33:33):
Good to talk with you. Always a pleasure. Seventeen minutes
after eight back after.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
The break, helping you get those DIY projects done right.
The resident builder with peta wolfcat call us talk said, be.

Speaker 6 (01:33:46):
Delightful, text Pete. Surely the highlight of the week was
coming back to find your ute had a good old
ykattow greeting on it. Yes, that was delightful. Not so
went to field days on Friday, parked in the paddock
like he now stares, ended up parking at the end
of the line, and I suspect that I was the
last one to park there because the patch next to

(01:34:08):
me was quite sodden. Anyway, upon returning to the car
at about sometime after five o'clock on the Friday, got
up to the car and I'm looking thinking, oh, why
can't I see through the windows to the other side.
So I went round to the passenger side and without
a word of a light, at least sixty percent of
the car was covered in mud. It was on the roof,
was on the bonnet, it was all over the doors,

(01:34:29):
the windows, the side mirror of the whole lot. So
someone had obviously had some fun in the in the
mud pile or in the puddle next to the car.
So that's my day to day. To be fair, I've
been through two car washes. It still didn't take it off.
The photos up on my Facebook page. If you're going
to have look for a resident builder, you'll see it there.

(01:34:50):
Have a chuckle on my behalf Muhammed, good morning.

Speaker 22 (01:34:54):
I'd be done, good money. I just wanted to know
that people who were already built a two bedroom house
a small one and they have worked a lounge unit,
kitchen in, a toilet and bathroom and two bedroom, but
it has not been approved previously. So what is the
situation for them now? Do they still need to get

(01:35:16):
that content or level automatically be consented.

Speaker 6 (01:35:20):
It will not automatically be consented. I emphasize this strongly
because the current proposal to have up to seventy square
meters built without a building consent is not law yet.
So if you have built or have something that is
a habitable structure, whatever size, and it doesn't have a

(01:35:42):
building consent. That is a non consented, non compliant, illegal building,
right in order to make it a legal building. You
can't get a building consent for something that's already built.
What you can try and do is get a certificate
of acceptance. But in order to get that, you have

(01:36:02):
to prove that the building complies with the building code.
For example, if it's been built and you say it's
got insulation, and you need to prove that. If you
can't prove it, you'll need to do destructive testing to
identify that the insulation is in place, that ere is
a vapor barrier, that the electrical work is compliant, that

(01:36:23):
the plumbing is compliant. I suspect it will cost you
more to get a certificate of acceptance than it would
if you had got a building consent in the first place.

Speaker 22 (01:36:33):
So when is this this is going to be.

Speaker 6 (01:36:39):
Is coming, but it won't cover buildings that are already built,
so you can't You can't wait for the legislation to
come in and then go, oh, by the way, I've
got one, so that building will remain non compliant, right, right, OK,
no trouble at all, Take care, right, Graham, Good morning, Graham,

(01:37:04):
Good morning.

Speaker 9 (01:37:07):
I've just got a quick question. So I'm replacing a
dechromatic tile roof with a long run roof and iron. Yep,
Now I've got different quotes. And the difference between a
point four milimeter and a point five five milimeter roofing
and iron, Yes, I mean I understand one is obviously
thicker than the other, and so forth. Is there any

(01:37:28):
fishworks or anything I need to be aware of by
using the thicker roofing iron? It just seems like a
no brainer to use a thicker roof and iron, it's all.
And I don't understand why.

Speaker 6 (01:37:39):
In terms of durability, there won't be a lot of difference, right,
so in terms of how long it lasts and the
thickness of the coating and all the rest of it.
Where it can be an advantage is if someone gets
on the roof and they have to go and service
the TV aeriel or a flashing or something like that,
and they stand in the wrong place and the world's
full of muppets, then it will be a little bit stronger,

(01:38:01):
you know, span between the perlins those sorts of things,
that's all. And whether you get either one of those,
it'll it'll still be the same. So I mean, I
if the client can or if I can, I'll typically
go for the point five to five just because it
gives me that little bit of extra protection if someone
stands in the wrong place. That's from my own experience. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:38:25):
And I live out in the country, so we got
resurrounded by trees and stuff too, so I've got to
get up and clean of gutters every now and then
and so forth.

Speaker 14 (01:38:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:38:32):
Perfect.

Speaker 9 (01:38:33):
And the second thing was, I'm also getting a quote
because I'm getting new new gathering and stuff, and I've
had the external faces on this old house and so
they're replacing that with the gutters on the outside of
the great Now, I'm getting two different quotes, ones for

(01:38:57):
color steel facia, once for a wooden facia other than looks,
is there any difference between the two? The wood would
last just as long as a color steel or in your.

Speaker 6 (01:39:10):
Experience, yeah, I mean, in terms of that sort of
retrofit solution. So if you've got an existing internal spouting,
you know, exposed facier type arrangement, there's a couple of
companies that I know that have a system to substitute
those and they would typically include a metal facier with
an external spouting on it. So there's whereas if you

(01:39:33):
were going for a timber facier, then typically the carpenter
will have to come, They'll have to adjust the end
of the rafters, they might have to redo the sfets
and so forth, So it would be I would have
thought it would have been considerably more expensive to do
a timber facier than it would be to use one
of those systems for retrofit for exterior spouting or internal spouting,

(01:39:56):
So costwise, I would have thought it was cheaper. I guess.
The other thing too, is that you know, if you
do color steel as a external facia, then you know
you won't be painting it five years time. Well, well
it'll last a lot longer.

Speaker 9 (01:40:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, because I was just thinking, well,
it's going to be a cover steel roof or you know,
like a long roof and iron the same with the
gutting what they call it continuous Yeah yeah, yeah, and

(01:40:31):
the external facial will be the same material to make
it all look the same. That's what I would have assumed.
That I've got different quotes of different materials. I just
want to double check with you see if there's any
anything I'm missing here, any any fish ups on?

Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
Seems like you've got it all in order, obviously when
they take the dechroymastic off. And loath to mention this,
but there was an issue or there was a statement
issued by work Safe a number of years ago that
some types of that sort of metal tile with the
stone chip on it, which is basically dechromestic, and some
others may have contained traces of asbestos so in ACM.

(01:41:09):
In which case, have you had the roof tested?

Speaker 9 (01:41:12):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, the roofing guys have been out
there and taken us and I can't great did it's
come back negative? Which is also I've had several several
parts of the house done because I've got the white
popcorn ceiling, which yeah, sure white is best, don't it.

Speaker 8 (01:41:28):
I can.

Speaker 9 (01:41:29):
Then of course then they said you better get your
liner tested too.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (01:41:33):
So yeah, I've been through that process a few times
in the last year. Good on, good on you, but
it's all good as well.

Speaker 6 (01:41:40):
Much appreciate it and enjoyed in you. And can I
add in as well that sometimes you know, the removal
of the roof allows an opportunity, perhaps just to check
and adjust the insulation that's in there. So you know,
often around the exterior of the building, around the perimeter
of it, it can be a little bit tricky to
get in there and do the insulation. So you know,

(01:42:01):
either you jump in there or you get one of
the guys to get in there and just have a
look and make sure that these sufficient insulation. You could
always top it up or that where it is there,
that it's neatly laid and filling up all the gaps
and so on. It's just a it's a value add right,
you can that will give.

Speaker 9 (01:42:17):
You a lot of well, actually, on that note, because
of the reason I'm getting done it because it's leaking.
I'll bet a build or any any dead you're you're
roof leaking, I can set on your ceiling. I mean, okay,
that's not good. And then you went up and had
a look any city, I can see where it's leaking.
So if it's been leaking for a few years onto

(01:42:37):
this got reinsulated perhaps seven six or seven years ago
before COVID, Right, if it's been leaking, it's been water
on it, is that going to affect the insulation.

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
It depends a little bit on what type of insulation,
it was. Different types of insulation will respond differently to
being exposed to moisture. What you're what you're really looking
for is has the loft gone out of it? So
if it looks like it's compress or to be fair,
if you touch it and it's damp, then that might
be an opportunity to replace some of that. But in general,

(01:43:13):
if you've put it well, no, if the insulation is
seven or eight years old, it should still have a
reasonable amount of loft. So ideally what you're looking for
is you want sort of around one hundred and twenty
hundred and thirty millimeters of insulation on top of your ceiling.
That'll be ideal.

Speaker 9 (01:43:27):
If and if it's been damp and it's compressed and
it's lost its springs bus, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:43:32):
Like yeah, and you may not need to replace it
as long as it doesn't look like it's got mold
growth and it's not damp. If it just looks like
it's compressed, you could just add a little layer over
the top to get you back up to that ideal thickness.

Speaker 9 (01:43:45):
Ah good Ideah, Okay, that's great aori mate.

Speaker 6 (01:43:48):
Now I've talked to you all the best take care.
All right, yoh, we're just gone eight thirty. Let's change gear,
let's get into the garden. A red climb past is
on the line, ready to go. If you've got a
question for it, call us now on eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty good measure t God.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Was, But maybe you call Pete first. Peter Wolfcamp, The
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