Full Show Podcast: 19 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp
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Call eight hundred eighteen eighteen Youth talk Sibby.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
The house sizzle, even when it's.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Dog, even when the grass is overgrown in the yard,
even when the dog is too old to bar. And
when you're sitting at the table trying not to starve
scissor home even when we are benn even when you're there,

(01:07):
houssible given, when there's goals given, when you go around
from the one you love, your.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Scream, those building pains being in fund locals when a
very good morning.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
And welcome along to the Resident Builder on Sunday. You
with me, Peter wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and this
is our opportunity, your opportunity, my opportunity to talk about
something that I really really enjoy talking about, and that
is construction. That's building, that's getting stuff done, building, doing
your projects, doing your maintenance, maybe even a new build.
If you've got the opportunity to be part of that.

(01:45):
We can talk about all things building and construction on
the show this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
I have to say it.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
I'm wondering if it's the same for you as it
is for me. There is a sense that if I like,
I've had a week where it's been a lot of administration,
a lot of writing, a lot of phone calls and
interviews and but some pieces, and then at a certain
stage yesterday I just needed to go out to the
workshop and do something practical. And it kind of didn't
matter what it was that I went to do, as

(02:15):
long as I went out and did something. Not that
paperwork's not something, not that interviews or admin or speeches
or whatever isn't something. But there is that simple satisfaction
to working with your hands, having a task, assembling, disassembling, restoring, maintainer,
whatever it was that you did. I mean my task

(02:36):
in the end, I just needed to have a bit
of a tidy up in the workshop. So I had
some an old, old, ten year old mobile scaffold or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
The wheels had.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Got really really they just deteriorated, right, It was pretty shabby.
So some time ago I went got some new wheels
for it. I'd stripped them apart, I put them back
together again, I greased everything up, oiled them all up,
and so the forecasters that are on the bottom of
this little mobile scaff work now and then I could

(03:07):
take them from the workshop into the storage area, leave
them there ready for the next project. A couple an
hour or so, two hours or so. But the tremendous
satisfaction of having a task, completing a task, tack that
off the list, right, what's the next thing that I
need to do? So if you get that tremendous sense
of satisfaction as well about getting stuff done for yourself,

(03:29):
we can talk about those projects that you might have,
whether it's deck building, fence building, there's something in the
garden that you want to do, there's repairs and maintenance
that are always typically required around the house. We can
talk about all of these things. Eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call nine two ninety
two for the texts. That's ZBZB from your mobile phone.

(03:51):
And if you'd like to send me an email, you're
more than welcome. It's Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz.
So Pete at newstalk SIB dot.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Co dot nz.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
If there's a particular sort of piece of legislation that
you want to discuss or had about, I did last
week on the program, we had a number of calls
around reroofing and when does reroof trigger the requirement for
a building consent. It was off the back of a
conversation with someone who was moving from having a dechromastic roof,

(04:24):
which is a lightweight roof metal tiles, to having roofing
contractors come and put on a corrugated iron or a
long run metal profile roof for them, and all of
them had very much had the opinion that didn't need
a consent. I've had a look through the legislation. We'll
go into it in a bit of detail a bit
later on, but my feeling is, my sense is that

(04:45):
it does actually require a building consent. So we can
talk about that a little bit later on in the
show as well. And you know, the days are getting longer,
the opportunity to do maybe a couple of hours work
after work around the house, that's coming up as well,
So there's plenty to do in and around our houses,

(05:06):
as there always are. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call a little bit later on,
we'll catch up with Mike Olds from Razine Construction. We're
also going to catch up with Uncle Charmer, who was
the CEO for Master Builders. We had we had a
brief chat with him last week about the Apprentice of
the Year. And thank you to those people that took

(05:26):
the time to text and comment on this young fella's interview.
I suppose you know, he's twenty two years of age,
almost completed his apprenticeship. He competed in the Apprentice of
the Year competition, the one that's run by Master Builders,
and we got him on the show last week, and
I must have even for myself, I was driving around

(05:49):
after that thinking, what an outstanding young man. You know,
he's got his head screwed on. He's competent, he's engaged,
he's professional, he's determined, and I thought, you know, that's
a I was delighted that we could have him on
the show and left the lasting impression on me as well.

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Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
Lovely to be with you on this Sunday morning, the
nineteenth of October.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
We're into it.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
and Marie a very good morning.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Indeed, Pete.

Speaker 7 (06:30):
We've just built a new house and we've had a
final code of compliance and it's the outside color is
black on stryer boards, I think it's called And there's
little white marks over the whole house, like you can

(06:56):
see the undercoat. I think like it's yes, chipped off,
and the house has been washed by the company a
couple of times, water blasted and yeah, had scrubbed. And
there's also like dirt I would call it that won't

(07:22):
come off ingrained in the in the boards.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yes, So.

Speaker 7 (07:31):
It's just looks terrible all over the whole house. It
seems that maybe the paint wasn't dry when it got dirty.
I'm not there's something I don't know. I really can't
tell what's wrong. But to me, it seems like there

(07:57):
was a problem before they water blasted it, but the
water blasters made it worse.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
I think, sure, sure, when you say it's a new build,
when let's when did you move in? When was the
house completed?

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Oh shivers?

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Okay, Well, first up, congratulations. If you're into a new build,
that's awesome. But at the same time I can imagine
that it must be enormously disappointing to then see these
sorts of defects being so obvious, and I'll be really clear,
there's no other way of describing what you're seeing than

(08:37):
a defect.

Speaker 8 (08:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Actually, this there's kind.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Of two I'm in two minds about this. One is
I'm really interested about the process of you, as a
new home owner purchasing a brand new property, which I'm
assuming you probably didn't get a pre purchased inspection on it.
Because it's a new build, it's got a code of compliance,
therefore it must be a good house.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
We both at ourselves, okay.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Oh, okay, right he oh, all right, So you've you
were managing your own contractors or you had someone else
manage the contractors for you.

Speaker 7 (09:16):
The con that was a housing company, Yes, so they
managed it.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Okay, all right, yeah, Well, look, I think there's no
other way of describing it than it's defective paint work,
right now, what the origin of that paint The origin
of the defect might be a number of things. I
suspected the stage that it's poor preparation. So the manufacturer
of the board. A couple of things that I would do.

(09:43):
One is I would go to the manufacturer of the
board and ask one of their technical representatives to come
out to look at excuse me, the paint system that's
been applied. So they will come out and they'll go okay.
Our recommendation, for example, is that once the boards are installed,
they're either sanded or they're wiped down, that the maybe

(10:05):
the factory primer is given a second coat of primer
on site before applying to top coats. They and so
I would do that, get their rep to come out.
I would also get a representative of the paint company
that was used, so whoever provided the paint, whether it
was whatever brand, it was, one of their technical reps
to come out and provide you with an assessment that's independent.

(10:29):
And then with that you could go back to the
main contractor and go, we've had these two opinions that
it would seem that this work is not up to standard.
Therefore you need to fix it. And you've got a
lot of power, I guess in the legislation, in terms
of both the Building Act and the Consumer Guarantees Act,

(10:50):
to have that remediated. And then I would suggest that
in all of your discussions with all of the parties,
the main contractor, the painter, you know, the main contractor,
it's really going to be the main contractor and the painter, right,
and I would keep emphasizing to them that you will
have the work assessed by a third party to satisfy

(11:15):
yourself that the.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Work is up to standard. Right.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
So what you're doing is introducing an independent person who's
looking after your interests, who has the technical knowledge to
determine whether the work has been done in accordance with
the manufacturer specifications, and at their discretion, will you accept
the remedial work.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (11:38):
So, and those third parties are the two people you've
just talked about.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Yeah, I think you'd get someone. Yeah. You know, for example,
a technical person from the product supplier comes out and says, look,
this is what's in our manufacturing data. Right, so we
tell you here's the instructions. Did they follow the instructions?

(12:02):
Probably not, because if they did follow the instructions, the
work would be up to standard.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
You could go to the.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Painting to an independent painting expert and they could look
at it and say, well, look, it appears to me
that they didn't wipe the boards down and there's dust
trapped in the paint, or that it seems like there's
only one code of paint on here, or it seems
like they haven't sanded back the factory primer and reapplied
a new primer over the top, and therefore the paint.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
System is failing.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
And then they would also be able to say, hey,
this is the remedial process. Now you know it could
be quite extensive, but you know you shouldn't accept it.
It's not of a suitable standard, and it's quite clear
that the work's been poorly done, unfortunately, and that must
be you'd be gutted, wouldn't you. I'm sure there's slightly

(12:53):
more delicate phrase than that. But you know, new house,
you've been looking forward to it. There's all that anticipation, well, hey,
you know, this will be awesome, and then there's that sense.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
Of ah, just shoving around the house.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Yeah, it is one of those things you kind of
need to gird your loins and just get stuck in. Basically,
I think you've got good grounds to be disappointed. The
work is not up to standard and it should be.
You've paid for it and.

Speaker 7 (13:20):
It should be, so go to see the strike the
board people.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
I think yeah, I think so. Maybe in the first instance,
because you've obviously I'm guessing that you have paid the
final invoice for the new build Yeah, okay, just understandable.
I mean it's unlikely that you'd be able to move
in without doing that. So I think first thing Monday

(13:47):
morning on the phone to the main contractor, Hey, we've
moved in, we've noticed some things.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Can you come around and have a look.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
And I expect them to be there within twenty four hours, right,
there's no excuse for this. Yeah, And then you could
go round point out those things to them, and then
you could say could you look after this for me?
If their response is not particularly good, then I'd be
straight onto the manufacturer of the exterior cladding and the

(14:16):
paint and a paint supplier and then start sending through
some letters to go, hey, look it's not up to standard.

Speaker 7 (14:24):
Yeah okay, and so by a third party, just anyone,
anyone that's.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
It's what you're doing is you know, sometimes these things
become a well I think it's okay, I think it's
not right, and then it's really hard to have that discussion.
Whereas if you're able to go into that discussion with
a comment from an expert to say, hey, look we've
we've had you know, a painter with thirty years experience,

(14:52):
is a technical rep for the painting company tell us that.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
The work's not up to standard.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
Because it's it's It's hardly ever the paint that fails, right,
it's always a painter and the painter's preparation. So if
the paint supplier look cident and says, in our opinion,
this is the cause of the failure, then it gives
you some weight in the argument.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
Yeah, okay, I will do.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
That, alrighty, Hey, good luck.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
And genuinely I can imagine the you know, there's there's that.
I could only imagine that tremendous sense of satisfaction. We're
moving into our new house. This has been awesome, and
now you walking around going ah, so you have.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
My sympathy, Marie.

Speaker 7 (15:34):
Everywhere I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Look, it's so disappointing.

Speaker 9 (15:41):
You have.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
If that's worth anything.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Oh, thank you, all right, you.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Look after yourself. Take care.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
Thank you so helpful.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
My pleasure to take care.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
Bye, Thanks bye, your news talk se'd be if you've
got a question or a situation like that, Hey, give
us a call. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is
the number to call twenty two after six.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Measure god once, but maybe called Pete first gave the
resident builder news talk.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Sa'd be just a couple of responses to our first caller,
which was Marie. Obviously brand new house, it would seem,
and there's kind of no nice way to put it
that it's just a really rubbish paint job. Right, So
someone's text through Gavin stick through, Hey, good morning Pete.
Come on mate, Please tell the lady to contact her
local Master Painters Association.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
That would be a good idea if the.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Painter was a member of a professional organization like the
Master Painters Association. But as we know, lots and lots
of contractors are not members of any of those sorts
of organizations, and therefore it's it's you know, you've got
nowhere to go bar the painter themselves, right, there's no
professional association that is associated with them. But if they were,

(16:57):
then yes, that would be a really really good place
to start as well. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call now. Last week
we had a couple of texts on like bench top
resurfacing as in products that you could use yourself, and
I recall from a number of years ago, I think
I might have even got sent a sample, And I've

(17:18):
seen a couple of coatings done. The one that I'm
familiar with or have heard about is called dash coating,
So Daich is the name of the coating, which sounds
like an application that most of us could do at home.
So if you had, say a for mica benchtop that's
starting to show its age, that sounds like the product

(17:38):
that everyone was looking for. Thanks for reminding me on that.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
and Anna a very good warning to you.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh hid, how can I have built with that? I
built with a building company last year, a new place
down in central O Tago, and it very quickly since
I've signed the contract turned to rubbish really. Oh my
first visit down there was in April, and I've seen

(18:11):
that they had lowered the foundation considerably, and then from
there it just got worse. So they ended up doing
a lot of well dodgy stuff really, And it was
supposed to be finished in July and I had my
final inspection, or was supposed to be in September, and

(18:34):
like the previous lady, they'd put the paint on with
a truthbrush and there was just loads of things lots
of things they hadn't put in windows where they were
supposed to. They hadn't. They slapped out, you know, like
the water cylinder for a cheap thing, and just loads

(18:56):
of stuff. So in the end I had to get
a expert to come and do a report because I
knew if they're going to fiddle with slight the minor stuff,
it's going to probably be majors as well. Yes, and
there turned out to be eighty nine pages pretty much, yeah,

(19:19):
I know, and two major defects. One was all the
flashings were non compliant, not to code and didn't match
the consented plans. And also that they had built the
framework over the foundation, so I had an overhang on

(19:39):
approximately eighty percent of the perimeter of the build up
to thirty five mills. And in New Zealand they allow
six yeah, so for me, yeah, it just got really difficult.
Then my lawyer said, well, you need to give them

(20:00):
the opportunity to fix the overhand.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Pretty much everything else they just lied about. But so
the flashing details they were supposed to have sent to council,
and sorry I should have said code of compliance was
provided by counsel. They must have walked around with their
eyes closed of September of last year. So of course
the building company tried to hide behind that, well I've

(20:28):
got CODA compliance, everything passed. Well yeah, so anyway, I
again another adjudication and hoping that this time, you know,
you've got an expert that you know clearly those sort
of major things. They tried to blame me that you know,

(20:49):
it was just difficult. I mean I wasn't in town,
wasn't even on site, so I don't see how you
could possibly bame me. I paid every invoice immediately as
sent as I received it. But anyway, long story short,
they were given the opportunity to come back and fix

(21:10):
the overhang, and my lawyer and myself stated that no
works were to proceed on the overhang ye until we
obviously had the structural information we required, but also that
we wanted to know who was going to carry out
the works and when we wanted the works inspected by

(21:32):
the council and a new code of compliance opened and
then closed with the peers for so all that detail
would be on the property file when I'd go to
sell it. So what they did was they dragged it
out and then they wouldn't respond and then they ended
up sneaking in the dodgy builder that had left it

(21:54):
like that in the first place, because you know when
you're building that you've left it like that, and they
must have just buy ahead were their structural engineer's report
and then just sent me a peers for so I've
never gone through council. Yeah, and now I've ended up

(22:18):
with structure works that are illegal. You can't proceed without
the owner's sign off. The code of compliance had been
signed off by the council last September, and they didn't
do the works till April of this year, and I
had no keys. And now they're saying, well, it's up

(22:39):
to you to get a CoA, and I said, well,
a CoA would be if I agreed to the works
and that I had confidence who carried out the works
that they were done correctly, and I have neither. You
didn't get any inspections, not even the structural engineer inspected
the works. And then they said, okay, well, if you

(23:02):
don't want to take responsibility for the CoA, then to
authorize the building company back as the agent so they
can then go and get a c A. And I said,
but again that would then indicate I accept the works
and I don't. So now I have no idea what
to do, right.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah, Look, it's.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
Quite genuinely I'm struggling to comprehend how this actually happens, right,
And I say that from all of the experience that
I've had. So you know, for example, if like right
at framing stage, there will be a framing inspection, right,
so pre wrap inspection, it would where the local.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Buildings the council has hidden all the reports, and I've
gone and done privacy strings through the Onwoodsman to make
them release my file, even the building inspection reports.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'm struggling to.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
Struggling to understand how that that genuinely, how that actually
happens today. So you know, typically for a building inspection, Now,
if I guess you're not the consent holder, I presume
so the building consent wasn't taken out in your name,
it was taken out in the name of the building company.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Would that be right?

Speaker 10 (24:21):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Right, okay, And.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
So you know, you know typically what would happen is
the slab would go down, the frames would go up.
You do this framing and prior to wrapping, you've done
all your fixings. You hold downs, et cetera, et cetera,
and then the building inspector will come and assess it
before the rap goes on. Now, if that's the case,
then you know, if there's a sixty five mil overhang

(24:49):
or a thirty five mil overhang, whatever, and that's out
thirty five and that's outside of the scope of the
building code, the inspection should have failed and a notice
to fix or a failed notice would be on the records.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Right.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
So yeah, you know, even at that early stage, I
find it really difficult to understand how that build was
able to progress. If something was obviously outside of the
building code, it was a fail. It's a pre inspection
or an inspection and it failed. Therefore you've got to
fix it, and you nowadays you can't have any further inspections.

(25:23):
It used to be if I failed inspection, I could
fix it later on. We'll catch it up on the
next one. Now you can't get your next one until
you've fixed the stuff ups that you've made in the
first one.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
So that there's a whole because they failed the flashings
and yet on the documentation for that, which took me
till last week through the expert managed to get a
little bit more out of the council. Yeah, and it
says that they failed the flashing and that there needs
to be very detailed photos et cetera supplied to council,

(25:57):
and yet there's nothing on stile to say that it
was even reinspected or checked or anything like.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
I've seen, you know, so many building reports and you know,
as an required inspections for the building consent process. And
I'm just I'm really genuinely struggling to understand how this
has gone through. I wonder whether actually quick question, and
then I do have to move on the expert that

(26:27):
you refer to, who's acting on your behalf? What what's
their qualification?

Speaker 4 (26:31):
What's there? What's their engagement with us.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Super qualified through prendos?

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Okay, all right, so it's a building survey basically. Okay,
all right, well that's that's really good.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Look.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
I part of me is tremendously surprised, and then another
part of me, based on a whole series of discussions
I've had in the last couple of months, is unfortunately
not surprised. But I'm still struggling to understand how work
that gets inspected and fails then doesn't get fixed and

(27:02):
still gets a CCC.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
So I think you've.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
Engaged the right people. I think they will act in
your interests.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
The hard thing is.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I was going to say already, yeah, I'm always.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
And no consolation to you, but someone's text through and
said Pete, please pass this conversation onto Minister Chris Penk.
Imagine these builders approving their own work.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
And so what you've tried. I've tried to write to
the MPs. They just say they can't get involved.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
No, they and they probably wouldn't. But now he's have
you engaged with the I presume and no, I don't presume.
The person who's done the building work must be a
licensed building practitioner.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Right, Yeah, have you been disciplinary built for the license?

Speaker 11 (27:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Good?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
They like the building practitioner. They told me I can
sign against the builder that on site, even though he
had been told have you come back on site, you'll
be trespassed, blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
So you go to the plinary board and you get
them to engage. Now it probably won't be a quick process,
but I think the disciplinary board has a real place.
The other question, just before we go in, were any
of the lbps involved in the construction members of either
master Builders or certified Builders master.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Builder guarantee, which I have a teen new one, but
they did email. I've been trying to get them engaged
throughout and they did come back a few weeks ago
and said that they hold their rights that they may
revoke my tenue guarantee because of these illegal works.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Right, I'll tell you what. Just hold on. I'll get.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Locke to keep your details if you don't mind. Interestingly enough,
we're talking with master Builders after eight o'clock this morning,
so I'm not going to mention it because that would
be unfair. But it's interesting that you bring it up now,
and I wish are the best. You know, it's a
kind of disappointing way to start the show. And I
don't mean to start on a downer. I mean, I

(29:12):
don't get to determine who phones through. But you know,
two examples of really poor work being undertaken on brand
new builds to start the show doesn't fill me, or
it probably shouldn't fill you as a listener with any
confidence that we're getting really good work out there.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
Now.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
That's it's only part of what's happening out there. You know,
I see stuff every day which is fantastic. I meet
tremendously talented, dedicated, engaged, involved, committed professional builders and trades
people every single day, and I see exemplary work every day.
But it would seem that, you know, the reverse is

(29:51):
true as well, which both of our calls have highlighted
this morning, which is just a tad disappointing. If you've
got a question, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
the number to call.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
It is six thirty nine viewing on the house, ording
the guard and asked Pete for ahead the resident builder
with Peter Wolfcap Call eights togs.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
Some some sort of deeply troubling questions out of the
those last two phone calls that we've had, particularly Anna
with you know, it's it's not unreasonable to assume that
if you're doing a new build and it's got a
building consent and council inspectors are going out. You know,
one of the things that people sometimes can be critical

(30:36):
about is that like council inspectors are not there to
inspect the standard of the workmanship. Let's say, so if
the site's untidy in most cases, or some of the
work is poorly done, as long as it's compliant with
the building code. They they're not there to comment on workmanship.

(31:00):
But you know, things like flashings, for example, that are
not done in accordance with the plan and are therefore
non compliant with the building code. Typically a building inspector,
and I was talking with one on Friday, not about
this particular issue, but something else. You know, they'd simply
they do their report, they'd come out on site, they'd
do it. The inspection would be stated as fail. They

(31:24):
note why, they take a photograph and it's on the
live record because everything's digital these days, And then that
becomes a fail. And when you come to the next inspection,
which in this case it was flashings, it might be
the Code of Compliance inspection or the final inspection prior
to applying for a CCC, it would be okay, well,

(31:45):
how have you fixed that? And if it doesn't look
any different, and I can go back and look at
the photographs of the non compliant flashings, then that should
be a fail. And if it's got a fail, then
there's no way you're getting a CCC for it as well.
Something deeply mysterious about that whole situation. It is six
forty four here in news Talk z'd be open line

(32:05):
on all things building and construction. If you've got a
project that you'd like to get done and a few ideas,
Tips and trucks happy to chat with you this morning, John,
Good morning.

Speaker 8 (32:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
If I might mislip lady, I think buy one's a
bit easier than that.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
I just want to.

Speaker 12 (32:25):
Yes, I want to overlay a concrete floor with twenty
more mill plywood, and can I just put it straight
down on the concrete floor, glew it and maybe concrete
nail it down.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
I wouldn't rely just on mechanical fixing, so I do
an adhesive as well.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Right, How old's the concrete slab that it's going down on?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (32:48):
Ten years?

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Okay, all right?

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Like if it was newer, i'd say maybe you apply
a vapor barrier just as because there will be some
moisture in the slab. Now, after ten years, most of
that would have disappeared. But if you wanted to check,
get a bit of plastic and on the exposed concrete,
get a piece of plastic about you know, foot by
a foot three hundred by three hundred, tape it down,
leave it there for say twenty four hours, take it

(33:13):
up and see if there's any condensation on the underside.
If there is condensation, then you might want to look
at putting down a vapor barrier. The last one that
I did, it's a few years ago now. I put
plywood down, but I used a like an expanding urethane adhesive.
It was by a company called Uroxis, and I applied

(33:38):
it with a trowel with a notch trowl out of
a bucket, so clean the surface really thoroughly, and I
kind of just put a few little pins in the
plywood just to hold it flat, and I actually weighted
it down with buckets of water until the adhesive had set,
and to the best of my knowledge, that's stayed there
for twenty odd years. So I would use an adhesive

(33:59):
underneath because the mechanical fixings with foot traffic over the
top may over time let go, whereas the adhesive will
give you one hundred percent coverage and one hundred percent
adhesion between the two surfaces.

Speaker 6 (34:13):
Okay, what was that.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
It was called you.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
It was by a company called you Roxas, which is
something like you. I'll look at ham you are O
x Y, something like they're out in his stomachy. There
will be other products as well, right, so you know
there's plenty of flooring companies. There'll be an adhesive that
you can use, but I blew it down.

Speaker 11 (34:39):
Okay, all right, thanks a lot for the trouble at all.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
All the very best, take care, Thank you newsoks'd b
oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty A quick a
couple of texts before the break. Ah morning, Pete the
lady who called with the second call about the overhang,
could you explain this. I understand it's to refer to
the overhang of the bottom plate outside of the concrete foundation,
but might have misunderstood.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Dave. You're on the money.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
So typically, if you've got a correct foundation or any
timber or concrete floor, when you put your bottom plate on,
there is a minimum distance that it's allowed to overhang, right,
and I think that's about six mil I actually thought
it was a little bit more than that. But either way,
it shouldn't be thirty five milk because if you've got
a ninety mil bottom plate that's holding up the rest

(35:26):
of your house and only fifty five millimeters of that
is actually sitting on the timber by the time you
put a fastener in there, it's going to be awfully
close to the edge, so that might not hold as well.
And then you've got a certain amount of the weight
is actually not being supported at all. So that sort

(35:47):
of thing should get picked up. I mean, it happens
from time to time, right if the guys get their
marks on the slab, wrong frames arrive and the frame
hangs out. But then you address it and you fix it,
and you go back to the engineer, You get the
engineer to design a solution for that, you do it,
the engineer signs it off. I mean, even you know
the comment that she made about engineers signing things off,

(36:08):
that seemed they're all governed by their own professional responsibilities.
And it's again I'm struggling to comprehend a situation where
an engineer is prepared to put their official name and number,
their CPN's number, onto a document where they they're not
confident that the work's been done in accordance with the

(36:29):
building code or with their instructions. A lot of things
about that that are just a little bit unusual. We'll
talk to Paul after the break. It is eleven minutes
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Whether you're painting with ceiling, fixing, with or wondering how
to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter wolf
Gaffer call on the resident builder on youth Talks.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
B these talks, the'd be We're taking your calls and
paul a very good morning.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
Hello, thank yeah, very well, thanks great.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
Hey, listen, I've got to paint a picture. I've got
a brick. I've got a brick gate post with an
electric gate fitted to it. Now that the hinge for
the electric gate, the bottom hinge is screwed into the diagonal,
into the corner at the bottom, and this this week
the bottom. It's a long story, but basically the bit

(37:21):
of the brick at the bottom came away from around
the hinge, so I can see the hinge going in
now rather than having to build the whole bloody thing.
I'm assuming it's not a very big bit that's come out,
and I've been watching it with fingers crossed all week
and it doesn't seem to move. What's the best bonding
could I put on there, just to try and cement
it in and.

Speaker 8 (37:41):
Keep it in.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
So the pen that's fastened into the brick column hasn't
doesn't look like it's starting until it go.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
No touching wood went open the door, and it's it
looks okay, all right.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
I think if you had a look like there are
lots of sort of you know, patching compounds that you
can use that have an adhesive with them. So chances
are they're either going to be made by semex so
ce m i X or someone like Seeker who have
these bonding and repair agents. So if you think that

(38:21):
it's it looks like it's not going to come away,
have a look at products by either of those two companies.
Clean the area, do the right preparation. There might be
like a bonding agent that you need to apply to
the bear brickwork first and then apply the semititious material
in there. It might depending on how deep it is,
you might need to build it up over a couple

(38:42):
of layers. But you should be able to essentially patch
around that and give some security to that fixing.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
Okay, all right, so just just get something for a secret.
I would try that bonding agent.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah, I mean, that will give some support to it.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
And and I guess I'm thinking ahead that if let's
say that doesn't work and the pin starts to come out,
I wonder whether the simpler solution would be to get
an engineer to make you a plate with those hinges
fastened to it or welded to it, and then you
could bolt the plate to the column using some epoxy
and some stainless steel starters or something like the stainless

(39:20):
steel threaded rod, and that would spread the weight out,
you know, if you had a number of different fastness that.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
That would be my next.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
That's quite a good just to spread the weight, you know,
because in the end, unless that brick column is solid,
filled as and grouted completely, just fastening into the bricks
over time, it's not and the weight of the is
it a swing gate, Yes, a swing gate, and it's
all swinging off there.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
I mean there's obviously the two hinges, you know, top
and bottom. But yes, you're right, it does. It does
swing off there.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
Yeah, okay, no, that'll that'll be a certain amount of
weight in there. But look, I think those adhesives will
help stuff and support that.

Speaker 6 (40:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, just trying to stop and moving too much. Yeah,
that's okay. That was great.

Speaker 13 (40:12):
Thank you very much for you.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Have a great day. Take care of you and new stalk.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
See we're about a minute away from the news. I
wonder whether we might Oh, we have a crack. Brian Greetings,
good morning.

Speaker 8 (40:28):
Yeah, I've got a interleaxis garage on the end of
my house and I want to convert it into a lounge.
Now on the other end of the house, there's room
to extend the house with another garage, but there's a
sewer pipe runs around around the end of the house

(40:51):
and then now.

Speaker 11 (40:52):
To the road.

Speaker 8 (40:53):
Can I build over the sewer pipe or do I
have to shift it?

Speaker 4 (40:56):
No, you can build over it.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Obviously, you've got to make an application to whoever owns
that it's a sewer pipe, so local authorities, and essentially
what it will involve is if they give you permission,
you take the center line of the sewer pipe, you
go a meter either side.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
You have to pile down to below the.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
Depth of the pipe and then cast and sit you
a concrete beam over there, so it's it's durable. Lots
of people do it, but there's quite a process involved
in getting engineering permission and consent for it.

Speaker 11 (41:28):
But it's doable.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor. Get the right advice from
Peter Wolfcap, the resident builder on NEWSTALKSBYO News.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Talk sed B Welcome back, to the program.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
My name is Pete wolf Camp, the resident builder, and
it is seven minutes six minutes after seven here at
Newstalks EDB. If you've got a question of a building nature,
then eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. You can text through as well. Nine to
nine two is the number there or ZBZB from your
mobile phone. And if you'd like to send me an email,

(42:02):
you're more than welcome. It's Pete at news Talks EDB
Co dot NZ. Now there seems to have been a
change to the text system, which isn't new, but I'm
not here that often sort of thing, and I used
to be able to respond, but because I haven't read
the instructions, I can't. You know, that's by the bye anyway, Sandy.
I will bring those nail boxes into the studio next week.

(42:25):
That'll make perfect sense to Sandy, make no sense to
anyone else at all. But I can't reply on the
text machine. So hopefully you're listening, Sandy, and we'll get
you some of those nail boxes.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Actually, this was a lovely moment. Yesterday.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
I some time ago I mentioned that i'd been making
or had made some owl boxes for RU for more
pork or ru and I got some instructions from the
professor doctor Rudd, and so he sent me some instructions
for an owl box, which I dully dutifully made exactly

(42:59):
to the specifications, only to find out later on that
in fact, that's for like a barn owl as a
to a Ruru box. Then I made another one that's
more suited to Ruru and then I gave that one
to my sister and she sent me a photograph yesterday.
They put it up in a tall tree at the
back of the property and hopefully waiting for new inhabitants

(43:21):
to arrive and occupy the Ruru box that I made.
And I can't tell you how excited I will be
if I get a photograph from my sister going, hey,
look we've got occupants. We've got new tenants into the
Ruru house, and hopefully some young young Ruru chicks will
be fledged from there as well.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
I will keep you up to date.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
It also might prompt me to make a couple more
of these Ru boxes as well. Oh, eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. See housing big
or small. That's what we're talking about on the show.
What's that program from years ago? All creatures great and small?
There you go, so happy to talk about houses of humans,
happy to talk about houses ruu as well. On the
show nine minutes after seven. A little bit later in

(44:05):
the show about now is time, charmer from Master Builders
actually talking about a new program that they've got which
is encouraging clients to have discussions with their builders. So
there ain't no surprises. And based on the first couple
of phone calls we had this morning just after six,
that's got to be a good thing. Oh, eight hundred
eighty ten eighty. Let's get into it. If you've got

(44:26):
a question, give me a call now. Brian, Sorry, we
spoke briefly before the news.

Speaker 8 (44:32):
So the s you've got the wrong end of the
sewer pipe.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
That's it's your sewer pipe, Okay.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
It just goes around the end of the house.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
The simplest thing then would be to move the sewer
pipe right, because the piling and all the rest of
it will be quite complicated. There's engineering and so on.
So what you would do is when you'll need a
building consent obviously for the extension, and on the building
consent you just note the fact that as long as
there's sufficient fall, you're simply going to relay a new

(45:06):
sewer line around the perimeter of the building, and therefore
we don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 8 (45:11):
So you go put a like a concrete slab over
and then just have a rotting point at each each
end of the pipe.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
I don't know that anyone would accept that. I mean,
practically speaking, it would probably work. But of course, you
know you've got to think when you dig a trench
for services like a sewer pipe and you compact it,
it's not it's not going to have the bearing capacity
of ground. And so I mean, look by all means,

(45:39):
talk to a designer. They might say, actually, what we'll
do is for maybe we do do a small pile,
like if it's you know, typically sewer pipe might be
five six hundred in the ground. You know, maybe the
simpler design is simply to go, we'll do a pile
either side. You could do that with an auger, you know,
drop in a cage. We'll just beef up the foundations

(46:01):
over that point and as you say, insert a rotting
eye at both ends of the line. That might be
a cheaper solution, but you know, you just have to
you've identified the problem and if you can then provide
a solution that's acceptable to counsel.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
It might be bridging, or it might be moving it.
I suspect all.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
Councils are different to us.

Speaker 11 (46:22):
Suppose they've got different theories.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Yeah, and sometimes it depends because it's not a sort
of standard solution. I mean, look, there's lots of slabs
underneath concrete flows, right, because if you've got a toilet
in the middle of the house, you've got a slab
underneath your floor. So it's not like it can't be done,
but you just have to come up with a solution
that council's going to accept.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Yeah, all good, made, all the best. I hope it
goes well.

Speaker 5 (46:46):
Take care, lighth Hey, look at around this time. I
think last week on the show, there was a discussion
about someone who had an existing house with a dechromastic roof,
so we're probably talking building nineteen seventy something like that,
and that decromastic roof had reached the end of its life.

(47:08):
They went out to contractors who were going to replace
the dechromastic roof with a long run roof of some description,
whether it's whatever particular.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Profile, but a long run roof.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
So in order to do that, I'm thinking that in
most cases you'll need to remove the dechromastic the dechromastic
tiles or the metal pressed tile typically is fastened down
onto battens which are like a fifty x twenty five
batten at four hundred centers or whatever's required. That's not

(47:41):
suitable for having long run fastened to it. So you
either remove those or in between those you add new perlins.
They need to be fixed down in accordance with the
building code in terms of prevention of uplift, and then
probably roofing paper and then new iron over the top.
And does that work require a building consent? From everything

(48:04):
that I've read, it does. It would seem that the
advice from some of the contractors is it didn't require
a building consent.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
I think it does because it's structural.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
So while it could be seen as like for like
light weight metal, for like weight light weight metal, because
of the addition of the pearlins, and because of the
requirement to ensure that the pearlins are fastened in such
a way that you don't get uplift. And if you know,
every year we see pictures on the news video on
the news of a storm and suddenly you see a

(48:38):
house and the iron is peeling off, sometimes with the
pearlins attached to it. You know, every now and then
you just see the iron peel off and you see
the pearlins there. But I've seen it a number of
times where the fasteners that are used to fasten the
iron to the peerlin hold, but the fasteners for the
perlin through to the top of the truss they let

(48:58):
go and the whole thing just peels off as one piece.
So that's what you're looking to prevent. That's why I
think it requires a building consent.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
For that type of work.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Hopefully it's relatively minor, should be processed quickly and may
or may not require an inspection if the work's done
by an LBP. That's the sort of thing where if
we can increase the scope of work able to be
signed off, let's say by an LBP, there's not a
requirement to get a building inspector out as long as
the LBP makes a note of the work, states that

(49:32):
it's done in accordance with the code, provides some evidence
photographs of the fixings, etc. And then does the work
in accordance with best practice we'll see, oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Had
a number of calls, and it's a bit disheartening, right,
And I have to say, from my own experience, I

(49:53):
don't see it in the sense of some of this
poor work that a couple of people in the first
part of the program have described, because the people that
I know who build build well. The houses that I've
been involved with generally are built well. So these descriptions
of really poor quality work, poor quality finishing is just

(50:14):
not something that I'm personally seeing, because what I see
most of the time is actually good quality. That's not
to say there isn't poor quality work being done. Undoubtedly
there is, and in fact, there's a couple of building
inspectors around the country who have taken to very delicately
and without showing any indication of who's doing the work

(50:38):
or where it happens to be some examples of the
really poor quality I'm talking council building inspectors, some of
the poor quality work that's out there. I still find
it baffling, but it is out there, and sometimes you
look at it and you go, you've got to work
really hard to build that bad. Building well is actually
much simpler than building really really poorly. But it's out there.

(51:00):
So if you want to talk about that, that'd be great.
Good to you know you're listening, Sandy. We'll get those
boxes sorted for you next week. I think she's making
them into boxes for starlings. I happen to have some
nail boxes floating around at home and I'm going to
donate a couple in the hope that they'll they'll go
into housing for feathered friends. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty the number to call. We've got a spare line

(51:22):
right now, so if you've got a question, give us
a call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
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is that number to call? Quick texts or couple of texts?
Actually great texts.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Pete.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
I'm renovating a quirky nineteen seventies property using a reputable
building company. We are at the planning stage. I have
an idea to replace an internal wall at the entryway
with a feature wall of these blocks to let in light.
It's about three meters long. The current wall does not
seem to be load bearing, but I have an engineer

(53:14):
checking it tomorrow. Does this sound doable to you? Everything's
kind of doable to some degree. I'm assuming that you're
talking about a breeze block, as in that sort of classic,
sort of nineteen seventies concrete block made in the mole
with holes through it, right, which is kind of it

(53:35):
was there when I was a kid, but apparently it's
become fashionable again as these things I want to do,
just like flares have come back in style apparently. But anyway,
if it's on a concrete floor and the existing wall
is not load bearing, then removing the timber framing if
you've got a concrete slab and setting something up like this,
which is it'll be heavier than the existing wall, but

(53:58):
not by a considerable amount. Yeah, I can't see a
reason that it won't be done. But the good thing
is that you're getting your engineer to come and have
a look at it, and they'll determine whether or not
the wall is load bearing or if it has some bracing,
and then.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
I take it.

Speaker 5 (54:12):
They'll also look at what that new breeze block wall
is going.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
To stand on.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
I think my dad did like a raised planter box
next to the driveway, and some of that was with
those breeze block thingies as well. It's kind of funny
when you see things that have come back into fashion
today that you know and the hip and modern, and
it's like, yeah, we had that at home when.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
I was a kid.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
Anyway, showing my age right, kitchen cabinets and plywood, I
am refronting my kitchen cabinets with ply a plan to
finish with like Osmo wax or oil, and wondering if
you think of a ceramic nanocoat as an additional protection,
would that be unnecessary on cabinet fronts or good added
protection from food from andy? I'm thinking that there may

(55:00):
be well be compatibility issues if you've added an oil
and then you want to apply and other coating over
the top, whether that coating might not work well with
what you've put on there. So I think to be fair,
if I was doing it, I'd probably do the plywood
and then I'd simply use a polyurethane like a water
born polyurethane.

Speaker 12 (55:22):
I was.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
I did a bench top for myself, actually, just a
worktop in my office at home. I found some I
think it was like forty milimeter thick plywood. I bought
the sheet of plywood. It was about forty forty five
mil thick, and it came in a three point eight
meter length by twelve hundred and so I cut it

(55:45):
down to about seven point fifty by the length of
my office room, which is about three point seven two
oh or something like that, sanded it up nicely and
applied a coat of razine waterborne polyurethane to it, with
a little bit of white tintin it, so sort of
semi blonded it.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Anyway. That sat as my.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Office desk, I don't know, fifteen years or something like that.
Remarkably durable, worked really really well, funnily enough just to
sort of jush it up. A couple of years ago,
I took the bench out, took it to some guys
that I know who do laminate bench tops and asked
them to apply just a flat four mica top to it.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
They were like, oh, it's not quite prepared.

Speaker 5 (56:27):
Well, I'm like, don't worry, I'm not coming back to
you if there's any problems with it anyway, It's lasted
quite well so for mica bench now and a light
gray in the office as it happens. Um we've done
the overhang, We've done the kitchen cabinets. Blocks are called
soulless screen first makes them in five different types. Thank
you very much. I'll have a look at for that now, Pete.

(56:50):
What makes your ruru box? How specifically attractive to the ruru?
Wouldn't any old bird claim it? I'm thrilled not to
do the hard yard collecting the twigs and squat there
hopefully a two, but it could be sparrows or an albatross.
I don't know that an albatross is going to fit
through the hole. The hole has to be a very
specific size, and I have to go back to look
at the plans. I think there's something about it where

(57:16):
you offset the entrances. So some birds like to be
able to look out, apparently, and other birds like ruru
like to be able to go in and then nest
in a darkened area. And I've got two sort of
offset entries. So I've built two different types of Ruu boxes.
By the way, one had like an elevated platform where

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Ruru enters, hops along, does a little dog leg and
hops down into the roosting area. The other one simply
is longer and deeper and has one entry hole on
one side of the box and then an offset one
at the other side, so there's no direct light. And
apparently that's what's attractive to ruru. Apparently they also like

(57:57):
roosting in remoo trees. And they're back, and they're back
in suburban areas, which I am incredibly excited about. Right
he Oh, Richard, good morning to you.

Speaker 13 (58:07):
Yeah, good morning.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
How are you greasing?

Speaker 8 (58:09):
Very well?

Speaker 13 (58:09):
Hey, I've just been.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Following very quiet.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Sorry, just to hold on the second, Richard. That's he
sounds really really quiet, is it okay? Go ahead, Richard.

Speaker 13 (58:21):
I've just been following last week about the and you
just mentioned it again about replacing a deplomatic roof with
a long run roof, and you're saying about a permit.

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Yep.

Speaker 13 (58:31):
Well, I'm on schedule one now, and the way I
read it, you don't need a permit, okay. In one
item that says replacing with a twenty you know, a
metal profile roof with it like the like. But an
item fifteen it says when you replace an old.

Speaker 6 (58:51):
K tile root with a metal profile roof, it says
that's exempt too, So you'd be putting battons down for that.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
Yeah, I was looking at some guidance, some MBI guidance
that was talking about the structural element of it, and
that because the perlins would need to be fixed down,
and there's a specific requirement around the holding capacity of
that which makes it structural work. And typically as soon
as you do structural work, it triggers the requirement for

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a building consent. But which chapter and verse are you
reading of Schedule one?

Speaker 9 (59:29):
This is.

Speaker 6 (59:32):
Let's just going back.

Speaker 13 (59:36):
General alterations maintenance remover one point one, okay, And it
says not since the scope of the work involves repacing
a heavyweight roof for the lightweight room, issues such as
higher wind and all that coupleert forces must be considered.
The owner could elect to use NZS three six two

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one one to show compliance with the Building Code. As
the scope of this work is not considered to be
complete a substantial repace one of the components or assembly
that contributes to the building structure behavior the building work
falls within the scope of this exemption. That's on page
nineteen of of Building Performance Building Work that does not

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require a build consent.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Ye, and I've got it here as well, and.

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
Version two July twenty twenty five, so that was on
page eighteen nineteen.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
I'll have to scroll down and find that. But look,
I'm you know, I'm happy to go. Hey, look, if
there's specific guidance that suggests that the work can be done,
does it require any.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Sort of proof.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
Let's say that the like, should that work then be
done by a licensed building practitioner, and would that license
building practitioner then offer a record of works or a
statement of some description.

Speaker 13 (01:01:00):
It doesn't actually mention that anywhere, but yeah, yeah, I
just so my son's doing it. He's got them coming
in a few weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Yeah good, okay.

Speaker 13 (01:01:11):
So and well he understood what it didn't so I'll
schedule one and checked and yeah, sure enough, that's great.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Look, I'm really happy to go with that. It was
just it was funny because I.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
I rang a guy that I know is a building
inspect on Friday and I said, look, this is the situation.
He was like, oh, look, to be fair, I'd have
to go back and look at schedule one, which is understandable.
And then when we described it and talked about the
structural work, then it was like, oh, okay, well, if
we're talking structure of prevention of uplift, you can see
how a building consent might be required. But hey, look

(01:01:49):
I'll find a bit more detail on that. So just again,
and this be good for other people. So what you've
found is you've gone to schedule one of the act
and then are you reading from the building performance website,
which is building dot gov dot MZ projects and Consents
and then one point one general Repairs and Maintenance.

Speaker 6 (01:02:10):
Yeah, and it's on page.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Nineteen radio. I'll keep scrolling down and that.

Speaker 13 (01:02:18):
Says what is exempt and that then that mentions about
the k tile roof repacing that with a metal profile roof.
And I asked you you've got to fix new batons
down for that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Yes, so you will to your dad.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
So the picturing if that's okay. The we're pacing lightweight
root for lightweight must be okay too.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Yep, perfect, appreciate the call. Okay, fantastic all of your bestie.
Thanks very much for that, Richard.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
That's awesome. Take care and someone sticks through.

Speaker 8 (01:02:53):
Where are we? Where are we?

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
Lucky little Ruru sounds like a bloody flash split level
nineteen sixteen seventies house.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
Yes, one of the boxes that I made was had
a little split level feature. The other just has these
offset entries that go in as well. I'll get a
little bit more detailed, Paul. You've got something to say
about the corrigate dine as well.

Speaker 9 (01:03:18):
Yeah, listen, I've got a nineteen tenth house. It was
built in about nineteen ten and the one wall is
toature weatherboard and I've been at it for about ten
years trying to fix this. Now I've been paneting it
and filling it and it's cracked again, and you know,

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it's just really quite horrible looking. Can I Can I
fix like a low profile corrugated iron straight over the
top of that? Like, I haven't seen that around the neighborhood.
Some some old America homes have got a one wall
with just a corrugated iron on it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:58):
Can I do that?

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
Or do I have to have a permit for it?

Speaker 9 (01:04:04):
Or can I butt it up to the window.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Yeah, I'm with you, Well have to take the window
out or well, essentially what.

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
You're doing is applying a she thing over the top
of your existing weatherboards. Right, So in that sense, yes,
you could. The primary concern that I would have is
that if you're fixing the metal to the timber, you
will get some condensation that builds up behind the metal,
and then that won't because it's trapped behind the metal,

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it won't be able to ventilate, and you might actually
accelerate decay of the weatherboards.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Long term.

Speaker 11 (01:04:39):
So you can't put building paper behind them, and.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
Well, that would help, but you're still having it almost
direct fixed, right, So you're you're you're trapping moisture between
those two surfaces, and if there's not an opportunity for
that to either drain or ventilate and dry out, then
you know there's an unintended consequence. And I've seen it
a little bit where again nineteen seventy sort of traveling

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salesmen would knock on the door of an old villa
and go, you know those weatherboards you have to keep painting. Well,
I've got this fake brick sheeting that we can nail
over the whole thing, and you know you'll never have
to paint it again. You'll never spend a day outside
sanding again. And so they whack this stuff on and
in some cases I've seen it come off and the

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weatherboards have been preserved interestingly enough, lots of nail holes
in them, but generally preserved. And in other situations i've
seen it where it's trapped moisture and accelerated the decay.
So I think i'd have just curious about the Typically
with Totra, what we do is once we've sanded it
back is use a water based primer rather than an

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oil base. Most of the time i'd go oil based
on exterior weatherboards is a first coat. In this instance,
if you use a water based one, you'll get a
better finish.

Speaker 9 (01:05:57):
I've done that, Pete, and I've selled it. I've like,
you know, flushed it with a bit of builder's bog
and everything. And it's just that it's it's so old
now and it's a north facing the water, it's got
sun on it all day. Just after a few weeks,
after a few months of just they just start cracking

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again with the movement of the house. And I'm continuously
at it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Yeah, I can imagine, but but you know, I suppose.

Speaker 11 (01:06:28):
I just keep edit, mate.

Speaker 9 (01:06:29):
I mean, I don't want to go fixing some of
the wall that's going to cause a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:06:33):
So yeah, I'd just been a little bit concerned about
the possibility that you'll end up with moisture being trapped
there and and I don't want that. Yeah, that would
be my main concern. I think if maybe go and
talk to the painting guys and see whether there's another solution.

Speaker 9 (01:06:47):
But I think the lumbersider on that, yeah, you know,
like I've always used like you know, like you know,
the quick Prime and lumbersider. It's just such an old house, yeah,
and it's sitting on wooden piles, and even in the wind,
you know, the house moves and it's just you know,

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things open up and that. So I'll probably just have
to keep that up.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
Peter, and good luck, buddy, perseverances everything all right, Paul,
thank you very much for your comments. It is seven
thirty five here at New SORTSFB from Stuart. Plumbers do
roofs and they aren't lbps. Yeah, but most of the
time roofing contractors that I've used for the last ten years.

(01:07:35):
Because there is a license within the License Building Practitioner
Scheme for roofing specifically, it's also one of those tasks
that an LBP who has a carpentry license can actually
supervise and sign off roofing work as well. Or you've
got an LBP who has a roofing license and they

(01:07:55):
can do the work. That's an interesting one though. If
you are a plumber and not necessarily a license building practitioner,
and I'm not suggesting you need to be, how does
it go in terms of signing off roofs. Everyone that
I know who I get to do roofing is an
LBP with that you know, specific license in roofing as
opposed to plumbers. Not a lot of plumbers. I know

(01:08:18):
all plumbers typically are taught roofing, but not that many
plumbers go on to do it. And I suppose if
they did, they would then become they would get an
LBP license for roofing. That would be the way around it.
PETE self certifying what happens when there's a serious problem
found with the work and the person who did the
work is now overseas and can't be contacted, who now
is responsible for that poor workmanship?

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
Very much?

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Enjoy the show, Thanks very much.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
This is a genuine question that's been asked by a
lot of people, as the government indicates that they want
to move towards self certifying. Is what happens if somebody does,
as you pointed out, do some poor quality work and
then rather than stick around take responsibility for it, they
upsticks and go. You know, which I think is where

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insurance is going to. That seems to be the only
way to plug that gap. Is that essentially you'll need
to get building insurance for every single building project. Every
single contractor will need to be insured. But they currently
there's no requirement to do that, and so every project
gets insured. But again, you talk to the sector and

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there's to the best of my knowledge, one company that
will offer that type of insurance, and good on them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
They're picky about it. So there you go, right, plenty
to talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
It is seven thirty seven. Here in news talksp will
take quick text comment from you, buddy, how are you.

Speaker 14 (01:09:47):
Terrific? Good mate? An interest in quirk with dechromastic roofs.
So I've just redone one. If you're thinking of doing
it yourself, better be aware the early dechromastic roofs contain asbestos.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
Can contain ashestis You're right, yep, So once you.

Speaker 14 (01:10:04):
Get the roof off, you've got a waste disposal problem.
You better allow some hundred hundreds of dollars to either
get an asbesta's test certificate, but it will almost certainly
show asbestos or you're in for in the early thousands
of dollars about one and a half thousand. To have

(01:10:28):
the material specifically disposed of. It has to be double
wrapped yep with two fifty micron plastic film and sealed
and then taken to a waste disposal sight.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
And also I just want to point out too that
while technically as a homeowner you can remove up to
the equivalent of ten square meters of material that might
be ACM so asbestos containing material, if it's beyond ten
square meters, and that would be almost every single roof
that needs to be done by a licensed contractor. So

(01:11:03):
as a homeowner, you can't actually do that work yourself.

Speaker 14 (01:11:08):
Makes an interest in quirckt.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Okay, Yeah, no, And I think it's really important.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
And I know Worksay first issued that guidance probably about
seven or eight years ago. You know, SPECIs just seems
to be one of those things that you know, and look,
I've been in this game for a long time, right,
And I was reading some stuff recently where you know,
there are ACM materials that were still being brought into
the country in the early two thousands, which genuinely surprised me.

(01:11:40):
And then actually, if you followed the news recently, there
has been an incident where there is some ACM material
that's been included in fire doors which have been installed
in the new Takaha Stadium in christ Church, right, So
unbeknownst to that, Yeah, so this is a product that's
been imported from overseas somewhere along the line. You know,

(01:12:03):
I can only assume that a third party was involved
in the manufacture of that product. It seems like they
have included some asbestos in the manufacturing process. It arrives here,
it gets added into the fire doors, and then you know,
potentially some people have been exposed. I'm saying potentially. There's
no evidence of that at the stage, but it's you know,

(01:12:27):
it's still out there, which is kind of a little
bit scary to be fair. Appreciate your comment and thanks
very much for pointing that out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
You're absolutely right. Nice to talk to you, buddy. Okay,
take care.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
Then we're going to take short break. We'll be back
in just a moment. If you've got a question, call
us now. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Eighty measure twice, God was, but maybe call Pete first
for your walcab the resident builder.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
News Talk said, be right.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
He seven forty four here at news Talk said be
Mike Olds from Razine Construction with us this morning. A
very good morning to you, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Good morning greetings.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
So the other day I was looking, might have been
through a magazine that sort of thing, at a wall
finish that didn't look like I guess what we typically see,
which is some plaster board, some paint, and that's lovely,
but that's not the only way to finish a wall.
And I was thinking, hmm, what's this? What do you
recogonize looking at?

Speaker 11 (01:13:22):
You could have been looking at one of the artisan
plaster finishes. So these are like a natural with an
artisan plaster finish, it's reasonable, it's reasonably easy to actually
identify it because you have this very soft beteena of
color and you get that because of the trial application
of the plaster is skill to create the finish, so

(01:13:44):
you get these effects across the wall that are very
very subtle and very bespoke to every project in every
plaster that's applied the products, but also they're also precolored,
so they're also colored through the entire products, so that
if the next or things are less noticeable than if
it was a mineral type plaster. So if you did

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a natural gray sands and meant plaster finish, yes, and
you sort of paint coating at the top of it,
if you knock it, then you can it's identifiable because
you've got the gray underneath a foot plaster.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Fantastic.

Speaker 11 (01:14:19):
But with that said, we also have high performance acrylic
coatings for the exterior as well, and if they can
be colored, so acrylic plasters for exterior use can be
precolored so that if you do have necks and things,
they're less noticeable if they get marked in the future.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
And in terms of the interiors, are you starting to
see them sort of applied throughout the house of people
using it, like for a feature wall or something like that.

Speaker 11 (01:14:48):
While they started like many years ago with doing feature walls,
they've actually grown to be like you say, entire residences.
They're taking entire rooms or entire sections of the house
for these types of finishes because they they tell a
story and beautiful finish that you just don't see everywhere.

(01:15:09):
So clients get their friends come over and they have
a look at Peace and they just go, Wow, they're
impressive finishes that just set your residence or these clients
residence as apart from others.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
And I think story, it's just that nice thing about
having some choice, right, you know, we've got all sorts
of options for interior finishes, but to introduce something that,
like you say, it's like the handprint not literally, but
the handprint of the maker is still in it, right.
It's the skill of the crafts person doing the work,
the application, and there's there's kind of like a heritage

(01:15:47):
to these finishes, which we I think people really embrace.

Speaker 11 (01:15:50):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think the styles and everything's
going a little bit textual as well these days. You know,
they're looking and they've got some soft curves are coming
back in and not only the interior, with the exterior
and people just spending a bit of money. They want
to have something that they won't be able to see
at someone else south. You know, they want to have

(01:16:12):
their own story to tell about how they came up
with fair project. Fantastically really cool way to change and
an uplift interior spasis.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
Now, if people want to find out more, whether they
go Mike.

Speaker 11 (01:16:24):
Check us on our website Razine Construction dot co dot
mz or hoping our Instagram page that's a really beautiful
interiors and plaster finish it there. So Razine Construction on
Instagram and also on our Facebook page some information about
where you can find us.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
Actually the Insta stuff is great, I have to say,
just there's some real inspiration there right, much appreciated as
always great to talk with you take care, Mike, all
the best, so check it out online. Actually it's fantastic
you follow Razine Construction on Instagram. There is there's some
really inspirational stuff there. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty
ten eighty is the number to call it a seven
forty eight. We're going to talk to Rachel in a

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moment back after the break.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Doing on the house extorting the garden us pete for
a hand the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call eight
hundred us TOGSB a couple of quick texts.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
On the asbestos as well, so fifteen hundred bucks that
will be a beat cheap disposal of a whole lacem roof.
I think you're absolutely right. I think the cost disposal
would be considerably more than that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Pete.

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
The ten square meter applies to builders or PCBU only,
not to homeowners. I'm pretty sure that it's anyone. So
a homeowner is allowed to do and I'm almost reluctant
to sort of say this, but the reality is, from
my understanding, is that you know, if let's say you've
got a small section of an old super six fence
and it's less than ten square meters and it's your

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property and you're the homeowner, technically you can do that,
but you still have to do it in accordance with
the best practice. So that's the double wrapping. It's the
prevention of the material becoming friable, and then you need
to send it to and approved disposal site, either to
a third party or to the site itself. But anything
more than ten square meters you then have to have

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that done by a licensed asbestos removal contractor, who then
has to comply with all of the regulations around that.
So I'm going to stick to the ten square meters
and we'll see what happens after that. And look it does.
I know of one project. Gosh, it's probably seven or
eight years ago. They had an older villa, so probably

(01:18:37):
one hundred and fifty square meters floor plan, roof that
was Corrigidan, then overlaid with some type of not necessarily
dechromastic because there's a couple of other brands, but a
press metal tile with the stone chip embedded in it.
They had it tested, it was found to contain asbestos.

(01:18:57):
That then triggered a requirement for a specialist contractor to
remove it. And I think it might have been like
a fifteen sixteen thousand dollars exercise all up thankfully done safely,
but still can be very very expensive. Seven fifty three
Here in News to talk zebby Rachel Good morning, morning,

(01:19:18):
good morning.

Speaker 15 (01:19:19):
Indeed, we have a weather board house with external with
the board balcony and the top rail is wood as well.
Where the miter joins because it's very exposed. It's Doney's roost,
which where the miter is at every couple of years
it gradually comes apart. And I was just wondering if

(01:19:41):
there's a product that we can move to fill that gap.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Yeah, but yeah, chances are it's I mean, if you
use a flexible sealant. So if you use like a
pseudal or a gorilla sealant or fix all or something
like that that has an adhesive and a sealant property,
so it will flex a little bit to expand and contract.
Because what you've got is that that movement in the miter.
I tell you what I did, and this was in

(01:20:08):
the last couple of months, is similar situation, a sort
of a capping around of veranda. It was constantly moving.
In fact, it had moved, allowed water to get in
there and rotted out some.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Of the framing below it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
We replaced that metal capping, and I actually sorry that
we replaced the timber. And then in where the junctions
are so where it butted into the house and where
there was a ninety degree corner, I actually had a
metal flashing made that I fastened over the top, and
that protects that joint.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
It's not necessarily the prettiest solution, but I know that
it's not going to leak ok all right, So that's
an option as well.

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
Otherwise, it's one of those things where you know, we
might expect six seven years out of a paint coating,
but in that instance, there I'd probably be inclined to
get out there every three years, let's say, and just
give it a light stand and reapply a coat of
paint on it.

Speaker 10 (01:21:03):
Yes, we go.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
Yeah, but you know miters like that, they will move
inevitably already all the very best, take care, thanks Rachel
bother then, oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
will take your calls with coming up to news time
and I'll be able to squeak a quick one and
so I'll run through a bunch of texts for you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
Paint.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
How often should you paint the exterior of an old
weather board house? I don't know if there's a well
there is a straight answer to that. When it looks shabby,
I guess, or when the existing paint coating starts to deteriorate.
And in some cases, if you've done a really good
job with the preparation, you've used good quality paints, and

(01:21:45):
you've washed it every year, you might get ten twelve
years out of a paint coating, depending a little bit
on a color, depending on where it is in the country,
et cetera, et cetera. But typically seven eight years before
I think you start to and it won't be a
complete repaint. It'll just be a touch up at that stage.

(01:22:07):
And to be fair, that's exactly what I'm doing now.
We repainted about seven eight years ago, and these little
bits that are starting to flake off, and once the
weather comes right and I've got a little bit more time,
I'll be out there sand in, scraping, filling, patching up,
and just you know, making it look good.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
So there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
I reckon five to seven years. We'll talk legislation after
the news. Going to catch up with Unki Charmer as well.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
Back after the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Break, whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or
wondering how to fix that hole in the wall. Give
a Peter wolf Cap call on eighty the resident builder
on Youth Talks edb.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
Rightio your News Talks dB Welcome back to the program
six minutes after eight on a Sunday morning, nineteenth of October.
And actually a couple of texts about the rural boxes.
I'll get into that in a minute, because yeah, I mean,
I think if you can make one and promote some
growth to the local population of wildlife, I think that's

(01:23:04):
an awesome thing. So we'll get onto that. We'll make
shoul we cover that. Remember at around eight thirty this morning,
we have Rid clin passed. We're into the garden with
Rudd at eight thirty now at around and we'll take
your calls in just a moment as well. But last
week on the show I mentioned I've been along a
couple of days before on the Thursday to have a
look at a bunch of as it happened this year,

(01:23:25):
young men who were competing for the Master Builders Apprentice
of the Year competition. Then we spoke to Josh and
we had a quick chat with Unkitt as well from
Master Builders. And in amongst all of those conversations, someone
pointed out to me that there's a new initiative around
what they're called spilling the tea. Now, I as a

(01:23:48):
general comment, what I'm really passionate about is that contractors
like myself, as LBPS, as professionals, want to be engaged
and have really open and honest conversations with our clients
about the projects. Right because projects are never really go

(01:24:08):
Sometimes they go to plan, sometimes they don't. Sometimes there
are challenges, there's always lots of questions, there's always lots
of things to discuss, and we want to be as
open and honest and transparent as we possibly can be.
And if this sounds a little bit like spilling the tea,
well it turns out that's exactly what this new program
is called. So Chama from Master Builders, a very good morning,

(01:24:31):
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 10 (01:24:33):
Good morning, Pete, thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
It's a pleasure.

Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
So this was I was alluded to this the other day.
So there's a new campaign called spilling the tea. What's
that about?

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
And what are you trying to achieve with this?

Speaker 13 (01:24:45):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:24:46):
Can I start by sharing a personal story of building iphat. Yeah,
So before Corvin, we did a very large renovation and
I wasn't working for Master Builders, and we chose a
build a based on our recommendation, which kind of felt
really safe at that time, but we didn't do any
reference checks. Yes then understand the contract or the provisional

(01:25:06):
so we actually got a head to around provisional sums.
When we received some invoices that were larger than we expected.
There was kind of an eye opener at the time.
So there, as a homeowner, we kind of knew what
we wanted, but had absolutely no idea of the process.
And I remember we paid a very large deposit, and
that's why I got really nervous, thinking this is actually
quite a big deal, and what if the builder goes

(01:25:30):
under and it didn't happen. The builder was a good builder,
and we did have some issues, so electricians work wasn't
up to the standard, and the builder kind of hadn't
managed that really well, so we had to kind of
worked through a kind of stressful process to manage that
in the end. So it was after this renovation I
realized how wonderable we work as homeowners, completely dependent on

(01:25:50):
the builder doing the right thing and guiding us through
the process. And I think that kind of tells us
there's definitely definitely a lack of knowledge at a consumer
end when it comes to building, and there's a lot
of trusts that consumers put on their builder to kind
of guide them through that process. And so this is

(01:26:11):
kind of where the spilling the tea has come from.
So so what we are trying to do at Master
Builders is we look, we try to do two things.
We try to make sure we of course, being a
membership organization, we help our members run successful, sustainable businesses,
but we also want to make sure consumers have great
building experiences and what we are finding is to do that,

(01:26:33):
we need to support both sides to build, and we
need to empower the homeowners to kind of have the
right knowledge and also have the builders to have the
point you made around really good communication, be way transparent,
and manage their client expectations. And if they can do
that well, you know, the projects will run smoother, the
relationship is stronger, and the experience is better. And that's

(01:26:55):
what's spilling the T is all about.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
And I think that, I mean, I agree with the
sentiments hundred percent, and I guess the often these things,
you know, homeowners have either a little bit of experience
or a little bit more experience, or are particularly well
experienced in terms of working with contractors understanding the complexity.

(01:27:19):
It's a dynamic situation building a house or doing an
extensive renovation, that sort of thing. But for some people
maybe they're unsure about what the process looks like. So
does this spill the T program sort of like try
and set out, Hey, this is what the journey's going
to look like. Here are some of the things that
that might get a little bit tricky, and let's talk
about them now rather than suddenly it gets uncovered. We

(01:27:41):
kind of knew it was going to happen anyway, but
no one said that it was going to happen. So
no surprises is a good thing. Is that what you're
trying to do?

Speaker 6 (01:27:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:27:49):
Absolutely. So the goal is how do we share some
real honest insights with homeowners before they start building or renovating. Also,
I think it's empowering homeowners with the right information so
they understand the process. Yep, they are the right questions
and they have more control of them experience. So we've
developed some homeowner guides. So we have a guide that

(01:28:12):
tells you what are the things you have to think
about before you choose a builder and you sign a contract.
I think this is an area there's a lot of
gad We have another guide who's talked about what to
consider before you start renovating, what to do if something
goes wrong, And this is the point around how good
communication for homeowners to raise concerns. We do the same
on the builder side around how do you manage something

(01:28:35):
if something doesn't go to plan? And then of course
if you've got to guarantee, how do you go and
make a client? So the thinking behind this is by
having all of that quite simply laid out in playing
English to understand. It makes it easier for homeowners to
kind of know this is how the process should work out.
You know, these are things I should expect, and if

(01:28:56):
it's not happening, I can ask the questions. And also
at the same time as telling the builders that look,
this is homeowners, this is probably the biggest investment they'll
go through in their lifetime. We did as stead of
the sector research over one thousand homeowners, and sixty two
percent of homeowners said their builder was their main source
of information around the building process. So we actually really

(01:29:16):
looked towards our builder as kind of leading and guiding
us through that process. So just trying to make sure
when we go through the journey together, they come out
managing those issues in the best way possible and having
a great experience.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
And I think, you know, like for most of us,
I'm not in this position because I've been a builder
since I was in my early teens or late teen so,
but you know, like today on the program, the first
two callers that we had completely unexpected were talking about
recent experiences that had with a new build and a
new build that's still underway, and both of them were

(01:29:52):
really had I think, had been let down by their
contractors and had.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
Come away disappointed.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
Whereas you know, what we want is for people to
embrace the process, go out there, commission you work de
cited about it, work collaboratively with their builders, and come
out with a really great building that everyone's happy with.
And as a contractor myself, as a as an LBP,
you want to finish the job a good relationship with

(01:30:20):
your client. I mean, I've got some guys that I
did work for twenty years ago, right, we still catch
up and have a cup of tea. That's the sort
of relationship that you want as a as a builder
with your clients into the future. You don't want it
to end fractiously and so on, and a lot of
that's communication. So I think it is a great initiative.
Now spill the tea. It's how to like is this

(01:30:42):
exclusive to Master Builders members and only if you engage
with the Master Builder or is this something you're opening
up to everyone?

Speaker 10 (01:30:50):
So we kind of we really had a really good
conversation around this, okay, And so it's open on our
website and all our guys available for any homeowners to use.
As the guys, will you know reference Obviously they'll reference
to they look if you want to go to Look.
Of course there this is a link to going for
Master Builder. But if I had those guides which.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Were available to me when we were going through a
building process.

Speaker 10 (01:31:11):
It would have made a huge impact. And what we've
also done is work really hard to take out some
of the technical language we use around building to keep
it nice and clean. So it talks about, you know,
the five stages of building house.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
You need dreaming about building the house, This.

Speaker 10 (01:31:25):
Is about thinking about what to do, so it talks
about what to do in that space. Planning is quite
an important phase, so it tells you things to think about,
what to look out for, then what to do when
you're actually building, and it's got a lot of proactive
tips around, you know, things to look out for, what
happens if something goes wrong. Completion it talks about once

(01:31:46):
the project is completed, you know what does it mean
when you reach a practical completion? Documents you should expect
to receive, things we should keep, you should keep as
a record and education, so things you need to do
next to maintain your home. And then problem solving, which
I think is a big one around when something goes wrong,
how do you work through the issues. Also, it's telling

(01:32:08):
what support is available. There's actually quite a lot of
support available for homeowners and also where to go and
get that support. So what we're trying to do is
make this all available so when people are going through
their building process, they understand what they're getting into, they
know the right questions to ask, and I almost think
it's a partnership. So many a pictures build there you

(01:32:29):
need to find the right builder who's done this type
of work you're wanting them to do, and also a
building you can get along with and work through the issues.
So as a result, it's available on our website for free,
and I hope many people will go and use these
guides and start guiding their process.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
Because you know, if you are engaging in this and
your experience understandably is limited, then having that roadmap is
actually really really useful. And the other thing that you know,
I'm a big fan of this myself, is that you
know the fact that we as profer raationals, as lbps
and so on, now have a legal responsibility to engage

(01:33:12):
in those conversations, to be professional and so on, and
that's backed up by the Code of Ethics that was
released in what twenty twenty two, So you know, while
there's kind of like what you're saying is, hey, this
is a really good roadmap. We should be having these conversations.
The great thing for consumers now is that's backed up
with legislation around here is a clear set of expectations.

(01:33:34):
This is how lbps are expected to behave. It's set
out in the Code of Ethics. So I think that's
tremendous for the consumer as well.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
Absolutely, really great to talk with you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
Thank you, and like say that that information not exclusive
to master builders, but it's there on the website. Spill
the tea. If you don't know where you're going, this
will be a great roadmap.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
Thank you uncle. I really appreciate your time this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:33:59):
Pleasure.

Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
Thank you much talking with you. Take care by I
think you and new Stalks' I think that's great. I
think I've had this conversation. A number of years ago.
I met most remarkable couple based in Wellington. They were
shivers already in their early seventies I think at that time,

(01:34:19):
and what they did is they would fund the building
of several new houses and they would manage the process themselves.
They would do the build, and then they would sell
the houses and they would donate the proceeds to a charity,
and then they'd start again. They'd fund the next slot,
they'd get their costs back, and all of the profit
they donated to charity. That was remarkable in and of itself.

(01:34:42):
But the woman that I was talking to at the time,
we were chatting, we were walking around some houses that
they'd just finished, and then she said, you know what,
I think it's about two thousand questions per build. And
I've stuck in my mind and if I'm talking to people,
either clients or people that I know who are about
to start building, I use that story and I go,

(01:35:04):
this is what you need to prepare yourself. If you're
doing a new build or doing a renovation, expect that
you're going to have about two thousand questions to answer
on your new build.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
And it causes people to sort of go, oh, gee.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
That sounds like a lot, But I reckon, it's pretty
damn accurate that you're going to have to answer about
two thousand questions. If you don't know the answer, where
do you go and who do you talk to? And
how do you get advice? Well, at least this spill
the tea might be some useful reading. Good projects always
start with good planning. Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty
ten eighty, We've got time for just a couple more

(01:35:40):
calls before we jump into the garden with the red
climb pass. I'll come back after the break explain about
the Ruu boxes and the plans, and so we'll talk
architecture for birds after the break as well. It is
nineteen minutes after eight. A squeaky door or squeaky floor?

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
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Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
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Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
Righty oh now, thanks to unkit for that, and you
can find that information on the master Builder's website. The
reason I wanted to do the conversation with Uncle is
that I think having some guidance for people who perhaps
you know, if this is your first new build or
your first time contracting someone to do let's say renovations,

(01:37:35):
remodeling and that sort of thing, and you don't have
any experience, which is okay obviously, then where do you
go for guidance? Where do you go for some sort
of checklist, some sort of roadmap of what this journey
is going to look like. So any guidance in that
space I think is tremendous. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten,
and you might have time for one more call before
we go into the garden. But there's a couple of

(01:37:57):
texts that I want to get to as well. The
goat Where do I find that spill of tea guy?
Just go the master Builder's website. So masterbuilder dot org
dot n and zaid they've got one. I'm sure other
organizations have them as well, but this one's available there
texts coming through. When does the architect come in? Does
he she work with the client or the builder? Very

(01:38:18):
good question, Jane. Typically most clients that I know will,
if they've got a plan in mind, then they'll go
to an architect or an architectural designer and sit down
with them to work out the scope of it, the
style of it, and so on. I actually I'm a

(01:38:39):
huge fan of what you might call early contract or engagement.
I think that if you have a good relationship with
your builder and with your designer, be it architect or
architectural designer, I think having sort of a meeting of
the three minds can bring some benefit. I think there's
some practical insights and so on that a builder might

(01:39:01):
bring to the discussion, as well as obviously the creativity
and the technical novel that their designer will hold as well.
So in many cases clients will go directly to the designer,
have the designs completed, and then send it out to
contractors for pricing, and then it's more complicated to make changes.

(01:39:23):
So if there's practical changes that could be made, you
can do that at the design stage if you engage
with your contractor at that point. Good morning, Our neighbors
want to replace a fence between us. They want something
more attractive. The fences in great condition, maybe five years old,
color steel, and we have the ugly side. We're quite
happy with the current fence and don't see the need

(01:39:44):
to replace it. Are we required to share the costs?
Are they allowed to pull down a perfectly good fence?
Thanks for your advice. It'd be worth checking the Fencing Act,
which sets out all of the guidance around what's required
in the situation. But I'm pretty sure that in there
is sort of a qualification that says that if the
fence is still serviceable and an owner a neighbor wants

(01:40:07):
to change it or improve it, you may not necessarily
need to contribute to that. So if it's in poor
condition and needs to be replaced, yes you do need
to contribute. But if it's in reasonable condition, you might
find that you don't actually need to contribute to it.
They're doing it for their benefit because the fence works

(01:40:28):
as a fence. So we were talking about sort of
we keep mentoring dechromastic, but it's important to remember that
not all profile or punched or pressed metal tile systems
are necessarily dechromatic. Some of them similar profile, but not
that particular brand. But let's say we're talking about that

(01:40:49):
type of thing. Can you reroof over those press metal
tile roofs that has no damage but has a sebestos
from Kathy.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
Yeah, but you kind of question why you would do that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
Like in some cases, management of asbestos in a residential
property you can do with what you would call encapsulating it. So,
for example, you might have someone in a textured ceiling.
You could spray that ceiling with a coat of acrylic
paint and encapsulate the surface. You're not disturbing it, you're
not opening your up, yourself up to the danger of exposure.

(01:41:28):
But if it was a dechromastic roof and you were
fixing a new one over the top, you still need
to do perlins. I don't know that you'd find a
contractor who would be confident about fixing new Perlins through
an existing roof into an unknown substrate and then putting
a roof on it. So I think in most cases

(01:41:48):
it's going to be a remove that material and start
from scratch. A couple of other people have asked, is
their asbestos and fibrous plaster. It's uncommon, but it's not
unheard of. And I was looking at a property the
other day that had the old classic bungalow style fibrous

(01:42:09):
cement panels inserted in between timber, and I have heard
of cases where some of that material may be ACM.
Good news is that there's so many testing organizations out
there now you can actually take a sample safely, send
it into a lab, get it tested, and then you know.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
So testing is always the best way to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:30):
Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you have
a question for Root, you can call us right now.
Oh now, on the RUU boxes. Just before we jump
into the garden with Rud, so I got some plans
from Rud. Turns out that the plan was for a
slightly different species of owl. So I've ended up making
a number of different boxes. If you're building for barn owls,

(01:42:53):
it's actually quite a large box. The boxes for ruru
are smaller. If you go to Wingspan, and Rud's been
talking about Wingspan for a number of years, we had
the opportunity of going down there at the beginning of
this year actually, which was awesome. If you go to
the Wingspan website, they've actually got a plan for a
Ruru box that they've developed and they know all about ruru.

(01:43:16):
So if you're looking for a plan for a Ruru
nesting box, use go to the website for Wingspan and
find the plans there. And like I say, one that
I made my sister, I gave it to my sister.
She's put it up and I can't tell you how
excited I'll be if it actually becomes a home to

(01:43:37):
a couple of Rurus and the young family. I would
be delighted if that happened. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eight.
We're going to take a quick break and then we're
going to talk to.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
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