Full Show Podcast: 20 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder Podcast with Peterwolfcamp from
Newstalks EDB Measure twice god once, but maybe call Pete first,
Feedawolfcamp the Resident Builder News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
EDB your News Talks. He'd be a very very good
morning and welcome along to the show. It is the
twentieth of July. Gosh, time takes along and we are
going to be talking all things building and construction, looking
forward to your company, looking forward to your calls most particularly.
That number is eight hundred eighty ten eighty. That is

(00:39):
the number to call, and we're ready to go. Basically
you can see there's no music. We're just straight into
it today. A couple of technical things that we got
to set out. Don't worry. You can call. We can talk.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
You can text as well. It's nine to nine two
or zbzb from your mobile phone. And once I've worked
out my email, you can email me. It's Pete Atnewstalk

(01:02):
SB dot co dot nz about talking and so on.
That's pretty much been my week, to be fair, So
a couple of days at build end Z, so that's
sort of a week bookmarked by some actual physical activity
which I really really enjoyed, fixing some ballisters, doing some
work on sort of restoring some old ballisters. Monday, Tuesday

(01:25):
Wednesday two days of full on talking and hopefully a
fair amount of listening as well at Building Z. Building
Z's an interesting sort of trade focused construction event. Lots
of seminars, so presentations about adaptive reuse, presentations about the
future of housing summit which was quite enlightening, some conversations

(01:48):
with architects, engineers, architectural designers. Lots of trade stands there,
so really, you know, for those of us in the trade,
and it's got a facilities management and a safety part
to it as well, So lots of people, lots of
conversations and kind of interesting to try and get a
gauge on you know, where people are at. If you're

(02:11):
there selling your wares. Let's say you've got building products,
whether that's tools, systems, equipment, or actual physical products that
can be cladding, flooring, lining materials, framing materials, roofing materials,
the whole lot. You know, how are you going? Basically,

(02:31):
is there a lot's happening? Is there not a lot happening?
Is there not a lot happening to the point that
you're worried about what's going to happen next week. Are
you worried about what's happening next month? Do you have
enough work to get through to the end of the year,
And you'd have to say, to be try and put
a nutshell type summary is to go. It's actually quite patchy.
Some people are doing okay without being great. Other people

(02:55):
are not great, but not necessarily the end of the
road sort of thing. And then, of course last week
in the news another large sort of infrastructure type company
doing hydro vacking and so on went into receivership. I
presume more liquidation with the loss of work for one
hundred staff. So we haven't quite seen I don't think

(03:17):
the end of the downturn in the sector where people
are being able to keep their businesses alive, keep their
staff employed. Other people, you know, I've started to see
sort of through the socials and that hey, look I'm
looking for builders, I'm looking for tradespeople. An interesting little
number that popped out the other day, and we're going
to talk to Matt Dooda, who is essentially director of

(03:39):
the company that did this research on kind of it's
essentially an insight into where the sector is at, where
the construction sector is at. You might have heard a
bit of reporting that some construction firms, some builders are
working at fifty percent of the level that they were
let's say twelve to twenty four months ago. That's a

(04:01):
long way down. That's a lot less work to keep
you occupied. So anyway, I want to take a deep
dive into that. So Matt Dooda from Eboss is going
to join us after eight o'clock today is also painting Sunday,
So our painting expert, Jay Sharples from Razine is going
to join us at about seven twenty five. So we

(04:21):
will take your text questions anything related to painting preparation,
product selection, combinations, painting systems. You know which product goes
with which. So a lot of our painting systems, now
there's a build up. You use this verse, then you
use this, and then you finish with that for example.

(04:43):
So what's that process? Where do you go to get
the advice? Well, you can listen in here at NEWSTALKSB
and we will we'll get that underway. So eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call if
you've got any questions, We're into it, really looking forward
to your calls, your conversations. A bit of a chat
with some people using some triboard a little bit later

(05:04):
on the show Matt Dooda, and of course at around
eight thirty in the morning we will be talking to
Red Climb past our Bugman, who will talk all things
gardening and the wonderful world of entomology as well. So
the lines are open, let's get amongst it. Eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty is that number to call if
you've got a question about building, about rules and regulations.

(05:25):
I was in Blenham yesterday actually Home and Garden Show.
It's on at the Marlborough Lines two thousand stadium, right
in the heart of Blenham, not far from the little
cafe that I popped into yesterday morning. They have some breakfast.
Was that Herban olive? I think it was delightful. So
flew down in New Zealand to Blenham. Presented on basically

(05:47):
the changes to building legislation that we see at the moment,
and these are sort of the the some of it
relates to the nuts and bolt stuff, you know, what
changes are being made, what can build the seventy square meters,
the changes to H one and so on, but also
a little bit around the actual sort of the politics
of building right now, and there's a lot happening. It's

(06:10):
a presentation that each year when I attend these home
and garden shows around the country, I sort of write
a new presentation. It's about forty five minutes or so.
So I sit down and each year I change it.
And this year I thought, what I'll do is I'll
focus on all of these changes in the building regulations,
whether that's self certification, whether it's remote inspections, whether it's

(06:33):
a seventy square meter granny flat, whether it's changes to
H one and so on. And so the presentation that
I had written in April or so in a PowerPoint format,
I was looking at it on Friday, thinking, oh, I
have a look at it, and some of the stuff
I had to change because things have already moved along.
So will there be changes to H one, Well, we
know what those are going to be now. The schedule

(06:55):
method has been or will be phased out shortly, but
the installation's standards remain the same. So we're talking about that,
we're talking about well, the fact that the Healthy Own
Slid Station is now fully in effect come the first
of July, and amazingly, and this is based on my
own personal experience during the week talking with someone who

(07:18):
is a tenant in a property. They've been a long
term tenant and it would seem that their landlord has
not been fully informed and not fully engaged in terms
of understanding their new responsibilities for the healthy Home standards.
So there's plenty to talk about this morning, as there
always is. Let's get amongst it. Oh eight hundred and

(07:39):
eighty ten eighty. We set up. We're ready to go,
looking forward to your calls, your conversation. Give us a call.
Fourteen minutes after six. You're with Pete wolf Camp here
at Newstalk SB. Lines are open.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Viewing of the house, extorting the garden. Asked Pete for
a hand the resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp call, oh,
eight hundred newstalks edb.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Indeed, you're with News Talk SB, looking forward to your calls,
your conversation. Let's get things underway. Can you just check
that that's my coming out on your side of it? Okay, Sorry,
I turned the sound down on my side and I
thought maybe I'm not on here, but I am I
thinking Doug. Great things to you, sir, good A Doug.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah, yeah, you've just got a sectional garage store a
ceedar one, yep, and it's you get the wind, you know,
in the rain coming in at the same time on
a seat and angle in the water's coming through through the.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Back of the door.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yes, the actual cedar tongue groove itself has actually cut
a bit. Yeah, so the the groove part of it
is actually cupped at the bottom, so the water is
actually coming through the tongue groove and then leaking down
through the back.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Of the door.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Have you ever had to fix something like that?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
The real challenge, and this is for cedar in general, right,
So you know, if we're talking like vertical lap, if
we're talking ceedar boards, Seedar is fantastic, right, And I've
done lots of cedar. I really really enjoy working with it.
But you've really got to keep up with the maintenance schedule.
And what tends to happen is people don't and so

(09:21):
the boards can cup and then they can dry out,
and in your case, they're cupping and then they're pulling apart,
and that tongue and groove is no longer preventing the
weather from getting to the inside of the building. Sort
of stretching it out flatnag it out, getting it to
join together can be really really challenging. So how is

(09:42):
the how are the how is the cedar fixed to
the metal frame of the garage door?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
So it's got the channels to where the sections meet.
That's actually got a channel, right, not a square you know,
like now they have a square box section where they
fictions meet on the tugging groove on the sictions.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yep, this one's actually got a channel. So it's actually
so bad that the water runs down on the back
of the door and falls up the channel. Yes, And
then the rest of the bracing itself is timber.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Right, So the individual bits of tongue and groove on
the front of the door are fitted directly to a
metal frame or do they fit? Are they tacked onto
a piece of timber that's then tacked onto the metal frame?

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah? Yeah, you're all a bracing, you know, like the yeah,
sure from the verticals or timber.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yes, I think that your chances of sort of repairing
as a kind of stretching or putting back together that
tongue and groove join are probably not that easy to do.
Whereas but if it is a reasonably standard tongue groove size,
so it's you know, it might be you know, it

(11:08):
might be something like ninety by twelve or ninety by fifteen.
You might be able to find some of that the
worst of it where it's come apart and there's a gap.
You could cut those out and try and replace them
with new boards and then coat the whole thing so
it blends in. But you know, sometimes with this you

(11:29):
kind of have to just go look, you know, we
haven't that someone hasn't looked after it. It's kind of
reached the end of its life and you're looking at
but you know, rather than throw out the whole frame,
you might be able to find someone who'll come and
strip all of the seedar off and simply redo the
seedar so in the same way it was made by
putting cedar on it. Take the seedar off, put new

(11:50):
seedar on, and then you know, stay up schedule and
you should be fine.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, because I thought at the start, I thought, right,
if I get some you know, something like a flicksy
seal or something and seal along along the back of
the tongue and grew steal all that, you know, like
you won't sit from the outside.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
But like, if you wanted to make it a do
a repair that makes it weather tight, what you could
do is where because it sounds like it's just a
couple of areas where the gap has opened up and
the weather.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Can get Yeah, it's I think it's most of the moment.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Ah, Okay. Even still, if if, for example, you wanted
to sort of eke out a couple more years, right,
if you can see the back of the tongue grew
from inside the door, you could like cut some plywood
and fasten that glue that to the back of the panels,

(12:52):
and then from the front of the panels possibly even
with a you know, like a neat stainless steel screw,
go through and do a line of screws. Right, that
will clamp it together. But it will be obvious and
it won't be a perfect solution, but it might make
it weather tight. So that you're sort of supporting the
tongue groove which is starting to move by bonding it

(13:14):
to a substrate to a backing board, and then if
there are some gaps left over, you could silicon those
or seal those with the waterproof ceilant. You know that's
it might not look that pretty, but it might stop
the water coming in. But it sounds like you may
well want to look at having someone come through striple

(13:35):
of the tnng off and replace it.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
I did put outside the square. I did talk to
a boat order. Yep, he said, the hemp.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Hemp.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
So the hemp cord. You know the hemp that plumbers use.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yes, yes, it's like a cord.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
So you could just wind that up from on the
outside of the door and into the.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I'm only laughing because that that that's the perfect solution
from a boat builder, isn't it. It's like going back
a thousand years and you know, we're vikings on the
edge of the fjord and there's a gap in the boards,
and we're going to get some hemp, and we'll find
some tar, and we'll find those special flat chisels that
we use, and we'll jam that in there and we'll
sail off to go viking again. So hey, I like

(14:30):
his idea at the stage. Anything you do, you know,
you know, I don't think you're going to find a
perfect solution bar replacing it, so to be fair, have
a crack at anything, because I think eventually you're going
to need to strip off that door and start again.
I do like the boat solution though, that that's great.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Once you oil it.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, yeah, it'll all come to.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
It'll stay there. But yeah, won't you know.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I love the inventiveness of it. But whether or not
it's it's a long term solution, you know, if it's
something you see and it's an integral part of the house,
I would probably look at replacing the boards. Got to
run nice, nice conversation, all of us, Doug, you take
care bye. By then, fossicking around under the house some

(15:19):
years ago, you know, I don't whatever replacing insulation, patching
up squeaky floorboards. I found a tool heavily rusted, like
really really really corroded, and I picked it up quite gingerly,
and it was a carking chisel. I think there's a

(15:39):
proper name for it, and if you're a boat builder,
please text me and I and anyway I found it.
I put it in some Russ converter to hold on
to it, and yeah, but it was there unneath the
house and I'm pretty sure that it was an old
carking tool from a boat builder who I don't know
how they lost it under my place, but anyway, I've

(16:00):
got it and I love it. Oh eight hundred eighty
is the number to call twenty five minutes after six
Sandy greetings to you. Oh Hello Pete, Hello Sandy.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
Oh, Yes, who do I employ in Wellington that would
guarantee water wouldn't get in my house after they replaced
the board on the outside of my house because my
neighbor had his done. Our house is all the same
in the village, and he had his done and he
sealed it himself, and water is still pouring in his

(16:32):
tenants lounge, and I just I'm never getting water in
mine over my board. It's old nineteen seventies hardy plank.
But the house opposite they had to replace a whole
entire wall because water got on behind these it's these
boards that they put across the hardy plank. I think

(16:53):
I don't know why. And the whole war went. The
shower fell through the floor, and the builder was the
builder I spoke to. He said, even the joyce went
And I said, how did the war to get in
and he said behind the wood. And I think, well,
my woods twisted and warped, and I'm not getting water

(17:14):
in my house, but the neighbor is and we're all
the same. And I think because he had his board replaced,
it twisted and pulling off the hardy plank, and he
sealed it himself. And he showed me this wonderful stealant
from Bunnings. And the water is still pouring in because
the tenant told me we've had all this rain. We've

(17:36):
got all water back in their lounge. And I thought,
I asked this builder that did the beautiful job next door,
could he please do my board so water didn't get in,
And he said, it's too small a job, right, And
I thought, I don't want to risk doing it myself
like my neighbor did.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Sandy. Surely, you know, while there might be an issue
with a neighbor, and that then gives you concern that
you might be next. Let's say the fact that your
place is not leaking, why not just go it's not
and which case, you know, look, it's quite possible at
the time that they were constructed that you know, the

(18:18):
builders that built the adjoining properties are not the same
builder that built your place, the person that built your
place or worked on yours, or did the cladding, knew
what they were doing, did all the flashings correctly, the
lapse correctly, put the right building wraps on, and so
on and so forth, and so yours will be fine
where the others might have failed. My feeling would be,

(18:40):
until there's a problem, leave it alone, you know, and look,
possibly you want to engage with a suitably qualified builder
or better still, a building surveyor to come in and
do a quick assessment, someone to come and do a
moisture reading, so you might be able to get someone
to do moisture testing internally to see if there's elevated reading,

(19:02):
so you might be able to see the leak or
see evidence of a leak before it becomes obvious. That
might give you some surety. But my inclination would be
if it ain't broke, don't fix it kind of thing.
Thanks Sandy for you call radio Paul. Good morning to you.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
Oh, good morning, Paul, very well, how can I help it?

Speaker 7 (19:21):
Good?

Speaker 6 (19:21):
Good, good, Look, I'm ringing on behalf of my son
in law and daughter just put an offering on a
property here in christ Church and they've had a building
report done. The buildings are four years old and it's
a builder's own property. Yep. Now the building report has
shown in the above the garage or actually from the garage,

(19:48):
that's a mono pitch roof and they've got they've cut
the trusses out to get a heat path in the
get now the vertical it's a mono pitch roof. It's
about twelve hundred high where it connects on to the
other part of the building there and so the web
the webbing they've cut out on two trusses coming down.

(20:11):
They've left the sort of arms down or yea, and
they've cut them down four hundred So then at about
eight or nine hundred that's that would have gone down
to the bottom of the trust. Yes, there was nothing
supporting them, and the big heat pump was sittinging on
the top.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Of the bottom core cord of the trust.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
Ye Now.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
They brought this up to the building's he said, yep, no,
will fix that though, Proba. He sent them through some
photos he's done, and he sent them a memorandum form
License Building Practitioner Form eighty that that the repair cut
webbing with new supports has been carried out. My understanding

(20:58):
is that that would have had to be sort of
the trust manufacturer would have had to design whatever the
repair would have had being done.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, I see where you're going.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
He's just run through a couple of beams through to
the other trusts. So he's got the trust. Ye, he's
got eighteen hundred through to the next one. He's run
a couple of bits of six for two underneath the
webs and just nailed them into the other cords of
the trustes that were using down. Yeah, Now, as would

(21:33):
that be satisfactory?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I get where you're coming from. What you want is
some evidence that this is going to take up for
the fact that one of those struts has been removed
from the trusts, right, yes, yes, And you're right in
being cautious about the fact that just because asn't that
I appreciate if he's issuing a record of work. He's

(21:56):
a licensed building practitioner and so he's done something and
he's assigned his name to it. Right, so he's stating
that it now complies. What you could do is usk
for some evidence of calculation as to how this does comply, right,

(22:19):
And that would be the simplest way is just to
go back. Thank you very much for the record of work.
Can you provide me with some calculation as to how
this remediation was determined? So, because look, it does happen
from time to time in terms of you know, you
need to get some services in and you need to
cut through a brace. It's not ideal, and you're right.

(22:41):
You should then figure out, well, how what am I
going to do to replace what I've just cut out?
In a sense, and typically you'll go back to the
trust manufacturer, and given that the house is only four
years old, all of the records will still be there,
and the trust manufacturer will say they'll be able to
do some calculations, what's the load on there, what's the
bracing element, or what's the structural part of that part

(23:02):
of a trust and here, and in some cases it's
gustting apply on either end of it. That's a common solution,
or in this case possibly the trust manufacturers said, look,
if you flitch a one fifty fifty adjacent to this,
and you fix it off at screws at this many centers,
and you make sure that you incorporate this part of

(23:22):
the web and so on, that will take up for
what you've lost, right, but then there will be a
bit of evidence.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
I've had a discussion of the trust manufacturer. The detailer
has told me to do this rather than where your
cautious is. The builder the LBP has said, I've done
this and it'll be okay, And you're kind of going,
I'd like a little bit of proof, So I would
just go back and say, can you provide me with
some evidence as to why this.

Speaker 6 (23:49):
Will work well, because it's actually it's for further down
the track too.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, absolutely, to the house.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
They go to show the house, and then then this
license building practitioner is not doing anymore or whatever, and
you know, yeah, although I.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Just want to add this and remember that as a
licensed building practitioner, so if they have issued a record
of work for that, effectively they're responsible for ten years, right,
and they can stop trading, they can do all sorts
of things, but they're still going to be personally responsible
because LBPS, like I am, we are we're personally registered.

(24:23):
We don't register our company, so it's it's it's us
personally who are for it.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah, A.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Good luck with that should be pretty straightforward. Okay, thank you,
take care and good to hear pre purchase inspectures. Actually
poking up on something like that, you do get the
feeling that this is something that might need to be
looked at in terms of the level of professionalism or
the qualifications for people undertaking these sorts of pre purchase inspections.

(24:58):
Lots of really good people, to be blunt, I've been
to houses where there's been a problem where they've had
a pre purchase and inspection and what would seem really
obvious faults haven't been picked up at all. In fact,
that that story that we talked about last week where
a new owner of a property has been awarded by

(25:19):
the courts five hundred thousand dollars compensation or damages. Whether
or not they get a cent of that remains to
be seen. But this was a purchase over the last
couple of years of a building that had some significant
weather titness defects, and there was either an out of
court or a settlement with the pre purchase company for
some seventy five thousand dollars in compensation. So in that

(25:42):
instance they must have found a firm that had either
insurance or the funds to actually pay out on that,
which is reassuring, not reassuring that they didn't pick it
in the first place, but at least you went with
a firm that could pay out if they needed to.
We're going to take short rate break. We will be
back with more of your calls and just a moment
if you'd like to call us. Eight hundred eighty ten

(26:04):
eighty is the number.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Call or Petie the ceiling, fixing the fens, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter
wolf Gabber call on eighty the resident builder on Youth
Dogs b righty.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Own Newstalks hid B six thirty eight here Newstalks. Heb
probably at your place too, Pete Revive and New Plumouth
have some of those cedar door panels in stock, so
your caller, being dug could just get the seeder off.
Just pulled off some of those panels myself. Cheers from Peter,
Thank you very much for that. Chris who asked a
question of last week about action. It was about pre

(26:41):
purchased inspections and healthy homes assessments and some sort of
qualification he was walking the dog couldn't answer. Now he's
just said, sorry, I have an answered, but I still
don't have an answer from you, Chris. So if you
remember we did that course. If someone's done a course
on becoming a healthy homes assessor, some sort of proper
nz QA type course, let me know because I'm keen

(27:02):
to do a little bit of training in that space.
And Peter from the Torah, this is that magnificent fairy
that's being restored. It's a back project, Crik, it's a
big project. Corking irons come and all sorts of sizes
and checks. Well, that's what I've discovered from the old
one that I found underneath the house, barely recognizable to
be fair as a cooking iron. There's so much corrosion

(27:22):
on it now, but I kind of like it. Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call Ken
good morning, Hello.

Speaker 8 (27:31):
Thanks for taking my call, pleasure. We're an Auckland. Yes,
we've got a rental with a four mica bench top. Yes,
and they've burnt a whole with a cigarette. So who
to repair and resurface that bench top?

Speaker 9 (27:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I would probably go to bench doctors. So they are
all around the country. I have used them in Auckland
for Shiver's what job was it? It might have been
a four mica one. It I'd start there anyway, So
just have a look online bench doctors. They're around the country.

(28:11):
You'll find someone. They'll give you a bit of advice.
The other option is that you go to someone like
euro Design Tops who do four mica tops in laminate tops,
and see if they've got someone that they would recommend.
So they're based in they're on the shore, so euro
Design Tops are really good. Either of those two should

(28:33):
get you on the trail to finding someone who might
be able to repair it. And I guess look, worst
case scenario is it's permanent damage and you run it
through your insurance, wouldn't.

Speaker 8 (28:43):
You, Yeah, well it is ensured, but it's only a
small boot. You're just wondering if they could repair it.
Can they resurface it with a clear the top.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Funny we had a call about that couple of weeks ago.
Someone said, look, I've got an older four micer bench top.
You know around the edge of the sink, it's actually
you can see it's degraded, right, and it's sort of
worn through, and they tend to they expose that next
layer down, which is almost like a whitish color and
if you think about an older form like a bench top,

(29:16):
that's what they kind of look like. And again a
bunch of people text through to say try bench doctors
in the first instance, so yes, they may well be
able to do it. And I saw something. There's been
a couple of products over the years that are sort
of to rejuvenate older bench tops and so on. And

(29:36):
I saw one product that's being advertised at the moment.
I haven't had a chance to use it. I can't
even remember its name, that you could paint over, for example,
enameled bath tubs and over tiles as well. So I
suppose I've always sort of have a word of caution
is that in the end these things are coats over
the top of something, so they'll degrade at a certain stage,

(30:00):
but it might rejuvenate it for a little while.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (30:04):
Second question is the winery on this house is getting
a bit dull. Is there anyone that would come round
and sort of rejuvenated.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yep, interestingly enough, I like yesterday I wasn't Blenham at
the Home and Garden Show, which by the way, is
on again today, and I got down there a little
bit early. We had some breakfast, had a wander a
round chat to people for a while before I didn't presentation,
And one of the people I was talking to was
Richard who runs the local Nano Clear franchise there. Now

(30:37):
he's not going to come from Nelson to do it,
but there are guys in Auckland, so just have a
look for Nano clear clear yep, and someone else sort
you are my pleasure, enjoy your day, take care all
of us by I think, yeah, it was great actually
in chat with Richard from Nano Clear and yeah, and
I guess the advantage to being at these sorts of

(31:00):
shows is that he's got some examples of those extrusions. Right,
So here's a here's a piece of extrusion. We've coated
one end of it. This is what it looked like.
This is what we can do. So kind of helpful
and interesting.

Speaker 10 (31:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I'm always at these sorts of events like buildings, kind
of circulating around chatting with people going you know, what's
it like out there? Do you have enough work? Have
you been able to keep all of your team engaged?
For example, plenty of people have had to let staff go.
And I was talking to actually a builder from who
does the high performance passive house ehouse type builds in

(31:35):
Nelson and Blenham and so on. And he's kept all
of his guys going. And there's a when you talk
to business owners who have got staff and this is
you know, small scale building firms, plumbing firms, electrical firms.
Often when you talk to the owner of the business
and they go, you know, like, it is tough, but
we've kept all of our team together. There's just a

(31:57):
tremendous sense of pride. People don't want to let their
team go. They don't want to let people go. And
if they manage to hang on, often by kind of
you know, dipping into their own pockets or maybe not
taking as much out of the business as they used to,
or potentially offsetting you know, some cap X and that
sort of thing to wait for a little while. But

(32:17):
that tremendous pride that you get from business owners who go, look,
it's tough, but I've kept everyone going. And I think
sometimes the narrative and the news about business owners is
it's all about you know, personal gain and greed. But
I think so many business owners put their lives on
hold to make sure that their staff, their employees keep working.

(32:41):
That's a sense that I get quarter to seven. Remember,
in the next hour we have Jay, our painting expert,
who is going to be available to take your answer
your text questions. So any specific painting questions, preparation, paint selection,
type of products, paint systems, all of these sorts of

(33:03):
things we can talk about that. Oh eight hundred eight.
We got time for a couple more calls before the news,
but ceda good morning to you. Good morning, Hello there, Beseda,
but sorry, I'm struggling with the name to be fair Hello, hello,
lord Er. I'll pop you back on hold, we'll take

(33:25):
short break, we'll get that sorted out, and we'll come back.
If you've got a question of a building nature, Oh
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If the guy with the
form mica bench topper is in christ Church, we've successfully
used these guys. He's not he's an Auckland but esthetic repairs,
thank you very much. In the same way that like
acrylic bench tops, there's a guy called acrylic fix. I'm

(33:47):
pretty sure who or it might have been me, it
might have been someone else, but somebody took a chip
out of the acrylic bench top on a new build.
I've done the same with I don't know why I
was wearing my apron while I was fitting off the
overhead cabinets dropped. It was a chisel out of my
open onto a four micer bench top. You know, one

(34:11):
of those things. You're almost at the end of the job,
you're doing those last little bits and pieces and then ah,
things happen. Anyway, thank you very much for your texts
on these things. Right, We're gonna take short break back
in a moment.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from
Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on News Talk SEB.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Your News Talk s B Chris. Sorry, my apologies. There
is the details so principles of Home Performance course under
the Home Performance Advisor Training and Certification program by Community
Energy Network. Thank you very much for that. I'm going
to have a look around and if anyone else sees
something that is of it, I might do the home
fit course that should be that's through the New Zealand

(34:54):
Green Building Council. That might get some information there. Actually
at the I mentioned a little while agoes down at
Brands and we've interviewed a couple of people from Brands
over the years and they were the buildings as well
their chief executive and chief researcher Chris Lytton. They were
both presenting, and then the guys at the stand as well,

(35:17):
including their fire expert, which was towards the end. Was
it Tuesday Wednesday, So by Wednesday afternoon, you know, all
the serious punters have gone. But it was a great
opportunity just to hang out with them and talk or listens, actually,
on my part, listen to some experts talking about, you know,
the fine details of their fire testing or their cladding

(35:38):
testing and that sort of thing. So that was a
lot of fun, to be fair, but testa good morning.
Oh yes, gorning, how are you?

Speaker 6 (35:46):
How can I help good?

Speaker 11 (35:49):
I've got a quote for.

Speaker 10 (35:52):
Double grazing.

Speaker 12 (35:53):
Yes, And I was discussing this with my friend and
she said, do you realize but that they're designed to
keep the in and in summer time it makes your
room very hot?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Right?

Speaker 10 (36:13):
Is that right?

Speaker 13 (36:15):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
But with the greatest of respect to your friend, they
know a little bit about something, but not a lot
about everything. So yes, your friend is right, and what
it is is, you know, typically we think about making
our houses warmer by keeping the heat in, right, So
if in your instance, your property, depending on the orientation,

(36:41):
depending on the size of the jaw of the opening
the window itself, depending on where you might be in
the country you might be wanting to go, I need
to improve the performance of my house by keeping more
of that heat in, right, in which case, yes, double
glazing will perform very well for you because you want

(37:02):
to keep the house the house warm, in which case
you're getting what you want by putting double glazing in.
And she's right. You might also find that, in fact,
for more days of the year, you're more concerned about
keeping your house cool, in which case what you want
to do is keep the heat out. Double glazing will
do that as well. So it depends on what you

(37:25):
want from the double glazing as to what you're going
to get. So you've got to be really clear when
you're talking to the people who are coming to do
the quote, to explain what it is that you want
to achieve. So essentially low E glass, which is probably
something that they've put on to that quote. Bearing in mind,
I do quite a lot of work with Metro Performance

(37:45):
Glass who make double glazed units. Right, So these are
the sorts of discussions their reps will be having with
people all of the time. So the low e glass,
low emissivity glass is a way of reflecting back heat.
So if you want to keep your room warm, that
will be focused on reflecting heat back inside. If you're

(38:05):
in a situation where actually the room overheats, then you
will turn that around and focus it to the outside,
so you're resisting soul again. So it really just depends
on what it is that you want it to do.

Speaker 12 (38:19):
How do you turn it around.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's how you build the unit. So it's built into
the unit, right, depending on which side of which piece
of glass. And a double glazing so effectively there's four
sides to a double glazing unit. Right, there's the outside
and the outer coat of the outside, there's the inner
coat of the outside, then there's the outer coat of
the inside panel. Then there's the inside face of the

(38:44):
inside panel. You know, because essentially your double glazing is
going to be two layers of glass, which means you've
got four surfaces, and you can do things with all
of those different surfaces depending on what type of performance
you want out of your double glazing unit.

Speaker 12 (39:01):
Yes, but you can't manually turn it around, no, no.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
No, no, You've got to make a choice, right, So
you've got to look at that space and go, Actually,
what's most important to me for this particular piece of
joinery or this elevation is actually, it really gets stinking
hot here in summer. I want to reflect more heat.
But then you might find that in another elevation in

(39:25):
the same room, actually I don't get a lot of
direct sunlight through there, so that window can be focused
on keeping the warmth in. But just in this, you know,
if you've got a big piece of glass that faces
north and you're in a warm part of the country,
you'll go, Actually, what I really want is I overheat
for more days in summer than I do feel really

(39:48):
cold in winter. Now, the other fact is that even
if you've got a focus, let's say on controlling soul again,
controlling overheating in summer, it will still act because it's
double glazing to keep warmth in, but its focus will
be on keeping that soul the game reduced. Right, So

(40:09):
you've really when you're talking with the people who are
quoting or are going to be putting in that order,
you need to have those really nuanced discussions. This is
what I want this piece of glazing to do in
this circumstance for these reasons, and they might come back
and challenge you and say, well, look, you know, could

(40:30):
we do some shading for example, on the outside of
the building that will allow you to keep you know,
that will deal with soul again in summer because of
the height of the angle of the sun and summer.
So there's a lot of sort of science around this,
and it's worth spending the time to have a really good,

(40:50):
in depth discussion about these things. So sorry, we're going
to run into the news, so just hold fire. We
might actually come back and have a bit more of
a chat about this because there's a bit of detail
in all of this that we need to discuss. But
the effectiveness of double glazing is well, there's no question
it works. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty will talk after

(41:12):
the news, remember painting questions, send them through to nine
two nine two back after the news.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The Resident
Builder with Peter Wolfcat call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Youth TALKSB Variety O News Talks B eight hundred eighty
ten eighty. We're talking all things building and construction. So
just prior to the news. This is kind of the
classic situation, isn't it. So Pasita was interested in getting
some double blazing, and she had a chat with her
friend who said, yeah, but you're gonna remember if you're
going to get double blazing and it's going to keep,

(41:53):
it's going to make your room really warm, which might
be the point because it won't let the heat out,
so your room's going to get warmer. So yes, if so.
The discussion then went on to, well, in some cases,
you can use the double glazing to also reduce solar gain.

Speaker 7 (42:14):
So if.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
So, For example, in Auckland, if we say that the
optimum temperature for a house is twenty degrees, we probably
find that we spend more time trying to cool our
houses to get to twenty degrees than we do warming
them up to get up to twenty degrees, as opposed
to calling them to get back down to twenty degrees,

(42:38):
in which case you kind of want your performance in
the house to be focused on ventilation and cooling rather
than necessarily heating. But you can do both depending on
how you set it up. Your description is as clear
as mud. Thank you, John. We're talking about the double glazing,
so hang on let me just deal with this before

(43:00):
we go and talk to Roger. Your description is as
clear as mud. Thank you. Are you saying double glazing
on the south side and single on the north, No,
I'm not, John. What I'm saying is that, you know,
I suppose we've all grown up with glass, right, So
we all grew up in houses. Probably many of us
still do grow up in houses. I still actually live

(43:22):
in a house, which is pretty much it's all single glazed, right.
It's an old house, and so we grew up with glass,
and glass in old houses was two three millimeters thick.
Later on it got out to an extravagant four millimeters thick,
and that's what we had, right, and so it let
heat out, it let heat in, et cetera. And that's

(43:46):
what single glazing is. And it has a very low
R value, or in fact, the way you measure it
is a U value, where what you want is a
smaller number rather than the bigger number with a U value.
So if you're looking at insulation values for glass, it's
often described as a U value, which I know is
confusing as all get out, But either way, it doesn't

(44:07):
do a lot right. Single glazing doesn't do a lot
in terms of keeping heat in or if you're worried
about overheating, keeping heat out. So hence we've moved to
double glazing because that gap in between stops that transmission
of heat, and if you need to make your house warmer,
it'll work that way. But now with the new coatings,
with the low e and so on, you can then

(44:30):
orientate in which direction you want the heat to be resisted.
Let's say, so if you're worried about your house being cool,
you want to keep the heat in because you are
using energy to create heat inside the house by whatever
heat source, you want to keep that in as much
as possible. But if, for example, in a particular situation

(44:52):
or a climatic zone, in fact, your concern is that
my house gets or that room gets overheated, then you
can orientate your coatings and so on to focus on
controlling soul again, controlling over he heating. And that might
mean that in one part of the house you've got
double glazing facing a particular way, and in another part

(45:14):
of the house, maybe a bedroom that's on the south
side of the house, for example, where you're not concerned
about overheating, but you are concerned that it gets too
cold in that room overnight in the middle of winter.
Then you will focus your double glazing in a different
direction and you might find that in another part of
the house where, in fact, what I want my double
glazing to do most is acoustics. That you choose a

(45:37):
different build up for your double glazing unit in order
to achieve higher acoustic performance, because you can hear the
road noise, for example, or it's close to a neighbor.
So I suppose the point of the story is that
you need to be able to under describe what it
is that you want and then get double glazing to
do what you want it to do in that particular situation.

(45:58):
So no, I'm not suggesting you put single in part
of the house and double in another, use double glazing everywhere.
Just work out what it is that you want it
to do. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
number to call. Remember at about seven twenty five, j
our painting expert will be available. So I've got some
good tricky questions for Jane. Now, happy to take a
couple more before we get seven to twenty five with

(46:21):
our painting experts, and also a little bit later on
we can talk a little bit about tribal which would
be fun, and the paneling that they make, the TGV paneling.
And then in the next hour of the show, I
picked up on a story this week, kind of a
decent in depth survey with a reasonably large sample size
over four hundred respondents, let's say, to a survey about

(46:45):
basically confidence in the construction sector. And I've read through it,
and then I realized that actually I've met Matt Duda,
who is the author of that, or his team is
the author of that. Gave him acall and said, hey,
can we talk about this for ten minutes because there's
some really interesting insights I want to drill down on that.
So Matt Duda from Eboss will join us after eight o'clock,

(47:05):
and then of course at eight thirty we're into the
garden climb past Roger Greetings.

Speaker 14 (47:11):
Good money. Then a while ago, we've got a range
hood the store over my cooker, yep, and it's not
for specifications and if I've we got install up to
have a look at it, and now it's not that
it will do well. My son said that one is
my bathroom, but he said it would do right, and

(47:36):
I had to delay. I had some problems attend you
had and I come back and he said said, well,
let's get together and have a look at it. Okay,
Now my son rang him and he said, well, no,
I won't come and have a look at it. It's
not just specifications, but the thing will do well. My

(47:57):
son said, that's for a bathroom, not for a kitchen.
And it's the fanueit in the cover, it's a unit.
And then he said, well he did have a look
at it. Somebody's cracked it, and so I'm not going
to do anything about it. That was before the Oh,
I think it's safety regulations company. And the switch is

(48:21):
in a position where is you're going to bed over
the cooker to reach it, right and if you go
not there, but you're going to touch a hot Yeah,
now if you had to replace that now with that regulation.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Apply, I can't imagine that having an electrical outlet within
a certain distance of your cooker is permissible. So yeah,
if there's a switch or a PowerPoint, it's got to
be a certain distance away from the cooker. Can I
ask you a couple of quick questions about the extraction.
So it's in a kitchen, the what you wanted was

(48:55):
extraction above your cook top. So arrange hood type arrangement. Right,
So a kitchen extractor and and so, and that's in
an overhead cup, that's in a covered above the cook top,
or it's in the ceiling above that space. It's in

(49:16):
the low ceiling, right, Okay, so even if it's a
low ceiling and still be two point four. So what
they've done is they've put an extractor like a you're right,
it's a bathroom extractor. It's an extractor that you might
put in bathrooms, laundries or anywhere that you want to
extract air from a space. Right, But it's designed to
go at the ceiling level. So in terms of it

(49:39):
working to extract steam and so on from your cooking area,
it's probably not going to be terribly effective.

Speaker 14 (49:48):
Well, you've got to because the bake door is a
way away from the cocker. But you're going to leave
for whom to extract it. But he said, mister wrong,
you would work.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Well, it sort of will in the sense that it
will extract moisty air or you know, from that space,
but it's not going to act as a range hood.
Interestingly enough, is the sor rental property that you're in.

Speaker 14 (50:17):
It's own house.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
It's your own house. Okay, Can I ask how is
it that you didn't have arrange hood anyway? Like, why
wouldn't you just put a range hood in?

Speaker 14 (50:28):
Oh? The house was thought about nineteen fifteen nine. Okay,
we changed the cocker. Who's got a you know cocker?
And then we decided to.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Okay, but is there any reason that you couldn't install
arrange hood of some description?

Speaker 14 (50:50):
There was a hood or some description over it. It
wasn't extracting the steam of their It wasn't it right.
We've got him up to untill it. It must have
done it, and then they didn't be much about it
a family, and then they keep on seeing the month advertising.

(51:12):
So I got found off. I replied, I'm not going
to do anything about it. It's not going to come
up and have enough. I'm going to get another pinion
and I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yeah, i'd be interested to know that. Don't tell me
the name on air, but I might pop you back
to my producer. It sounds like you haven't been particularly
well served by the person who's coming to do this work,
because you know, straightforward solution is you've got a cooker
on a bench top. Do you have some space above
that in order to install arrangement? Yes, so you and

(51:49):
even if you and then it's a single story house
or a double story house, well it's single story house.
Is it a trust roof so that you can get
into the roof space? Yes, okay, so you know. In
these instances, typically electrician or a range hood installer will
come along, they'll install a range hood, they'll take the

(52:10):
ducting up to the ceiling, They'll cut a hole in
the ceiling neatly, they'll run some ducting from there across
to the safite or to the outside of the building,
do a nice penetration through there, and have the air
exiting there, all of which is doable. Right, So, coming
along and just popping a ceiling extraction in, particularly without

(52:33):
fully informing you, sounds like you've been not well served
by the people who have done that work. And they
should know that, right, That's what But I did ask,
and that's why I did ask. Is this a rental property?
Because interestingly enough, in the legislation, you need extraction from
a kitchen, but it doesn't necessarily need to be a

(52:54):
range hood. So in some instances the cook tops in
front of a window. Blah bah bah. Anyway, look, stay
on the line please, Roger, and I'd be interested to
know who did that work. And I think you need
to go back to them and say, I actually think
I've been poorly advised, poorly served by your company, because

(53:14):
that sounds appalling to me, to be honest. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Hello, Lynn, Hi, Hi, how.

Speaker 9 (53:24):
Can I help.

Speaker 11 (53:27):
I've got a problem. Well, let's start off, I'm elderly
and I only own my own house. It's an estate
which I've had for many years, and I've been doing
it out there as I go. But I've got a
problem now as a get older that the back steps
that lead from the back door. Yes, there's about six

(53:48):
of them, and the top two steps are very narrow,
which are dangerous and I could have actually slipped, you know,
missed the top.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Sure, yep, You've got to.

Speaker 11 (53:58):
Be very careful. So what I was thinking of doing
was making it flush from the door over the first
three steps so there's all flat, yeah, and then continuing
with maybe three steps from there.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yes, is that?

Speaker 11 (54:16):
And having a handrail? Is that okay?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
To do something like that sounds a really sensible solution.
So are they existing concrete steps or is it a
set of.

Speaker 11 (54:25):
Stairs would have to be there.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
I mean, look, you could like you know, get obviously
you're not going to build them yourself, so you get
a carpenter in and essentially what you're talking about doing
is creating a landing at outside that door so that
you can you've got a space to stand on securely,
and then either keeping the same direction of the stairs
or some new stairs with a nicer sort of tread pattern, right,

(54:52):
so slightly wider treads, maybe not as high, so you
might end up with an extra step which will make
it easier for you, and then a good graspable handrail
on the side. And rather than go through the effort
of removing all of those concretes, you might find that
you can actually leave them where they are and just
build over the top of them.

Speaker 11 (55:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
But yeah, a landing and a flight of stairs would
be a really good solution.

Speaker 11 (55:17):
And I do I need to have handrails on both
sides or just one side.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
It depends a little bit. If you can fall further
than a meter, right, then the requirement is that you
have balustrades on both sides. If you if the whole
thing is less than a meter, then you only need
a graspable handrail on one side.

Speaker 11 (55:41):
Okay, yeah, that sounds very good because yeah, I'm that's
what I'm thinking of doing, and having an extra step.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Instead of just just make things so much easier, wouldn't it.

Speaker 11 (55:54):
Yeah, as I get older, yeah absolutely, And just I've
almost come falling down. I've got to be very careful
going down. Those first are so narrow.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah yeah, and it's that thing you sort of you
step over the sill, over the threshold, and then suddenly
you're down a little bit and then there's not much
of space, and then the next thing you're off down
the stairs. So I think you're onto it. I think
it's a great idea. Thank you so much, take care,
nice to talk to you all. The very best to you.
I think oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
will do one more quick call. Then we're into the

(56:29):
painting segment, so last chance for any questions. Some painting
questions for Jay Sharpele's our painting expert from Razine Terry Greetings, Hello,
how are you Peter? Very well? Thanks Terry and yourself.

Speaker 11 (56:43):
I'm fantastic, thank you.

Speaker 10 (56:45):
I'm ringing a thing to be a bit of a
hot potato, but I'm also ringing about double glazed windows. Yes,
and I've just had six units put into a brick
house and they they initially they didn't they didn't sit
right photos of the site that you can be outside anyway,

(57:06):
much discussion that was decided they had to put flangers
around the edges that went from the window to the
edge of the brooks.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Okay, so just so, just so we're very clear, what
you had done, by the sound of it, is that
your frames and the glazing were both removed and they've
installed new frames or new windows, frames with double glazing
installed in them. Yes, okay, all right, yep, I'm with you.

Speaker 9 (57:34):
Ye.

Speaker 13 (57:34):
So I was happy about that because that seemed to
be although I was told it was a messove for stuff.
I think that they said worse than that anyway, But
since then I've had really bad condensations. So it's really
the condensation I want to talk about because when I
have asked the builder to get the people from the

(57:56):
aluminium company to come, they've just given me a whole
raft of reasons why you can and can't have condensation? Right,
And I have got an HV system in the house,
and each day I've been checking the graph, which is
most mornings it's about nine degrees in the roof and
fourteen to sixteen in the house. But I still had

(58:18):
this compensation coming down the aluminium and the glass. And
I'm a bit furious because and I'm not sure if
this is relevant or not, but I have put them
on the south side of the house, and I'm proposing
not to do them on the north side of the
house because it's a really sunny house and you can
get very warm.

Speaker 6 (58:37):
And I mean what I do in that's question.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
The new frames that have been installed, the aluminium frames,
are they thermly broken aluminium? I don't know, Okay, So
unfortunately what happens, and I saw it myself last week. Right,
So I'm in a house insulation in the walls, double
glazed units. It was cold outside, it was warm inside,

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and there was condensation on the elements joinery. And it's
simply because standard aluminium jowinery, where the extrusion runs all
the way through unbroken, is a very good conductor. So
while you've stopped the heat transferred through the glass or
reduced that by installing double glazing. The actual aluminium extrusion

(59:27):
itself is going to conduct heat and that's why you're
getting condensation. So if look and you know hindsights, no,
it is an inherent nature of a piece of aluminium
will do that, right, that's themodynamics. So if for example,

(59:48):
and this is where hindsight's always twenty twenty, if for example,
you had reasonable timber joinery and you could retrofit the
double glazed unit into the timber timbers a really good
performs really well. Or for example, instead of putting in
aluminium joinery, you had to put in UPV joinery. That
would also basically stop the condensation because you don't get

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that thermal conductivity through uPVC, and you don't get it
through timber, and to some degree you don't get it
through thermally broken aluminium. But if they've put in standard aluminium,
you're going to get condensation.

Speaker 15 (01:00:24):
That's what you've got, and probably a good thing for
people to know, because I've had three houses with double
blaze and I never had condensation, but I didn't realize
that that was the difference.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
That's how it works, and that's just heat transfers, thermodynamics,
that's just how it goes. And there's sort of within
the kind of building science space. That's what we've come
to understand. And if you look at the changes to
H one in the building code, increasingly in order to
get your performance standards up, more and more joinery aluminium

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joinery has become thermally you require thermally broken aluminium joinery.
So know, given that this work has done recently, you'd
kind of go back to the people and go, hey,
couldn't you have advised me on this given that you
know what's going to happen. So I'd been having some
discussions there. Yeah, okay, and good luck with me, and

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please let me know how you get on, because I'm
always intrigued as to where these these stories end up.
Think well, all right, all the best, Terry, take care,
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Seven twenty seven. We're a little bit late, but we're
almost there. Let's talk to Jay from Razine. He's coming
up next. I've got some good, tricky questions for Jay.
Looking forward to it. If you've got a quick text
that you want to flick through, might still have time
nine to nine to z b z B your news
talk said.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
B twice, God was but maybe called Pete first be
your wolfcav the resident builder.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
News Talk said B right, he oh, you're we're with
newstalk or you're with news Talks. Said B that's that's us.
That's that's us right here, and we are talking all
things painting and Jay are very very good morning to you.
How are you doing so, I'm all good, mate, you're good.

Speaker 9 (01:02:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
To be fair, I'm better now that I'm almost the
end of my balustrade painting marathon. So old balustrade, sand fill, prime,
sand reprime, first coat, top coat, now fix them and
now got a whole lot of holes which are filled.

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Now I can reprime those areas, top coat those areas,
and then they're finally ready to install. Sometimes just you
have to do what you have to do. There ain't
no shortcuts, that's it.

Speaker 9 (01:02:46):
Yeah, I think we sail there all the time. Everyone
wants to find that shortcut, get the preparation. But the
most important part.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Yeah, absolutely, yes, yeah, I mean there's just no way
around preparation. Eight like you would see this, you know,
because I know you guys get called out someone and says, oh,
the paint's no good and you go out there and
you find that they didn't wash it, they didn't stand it,
they didn't do any prep, they didn't use a primer,
they slept on a top coat over the top and

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it's come off, and you're going, well, what do you expect?

Speaker 9 (01:03:19):
That's it. Adding that the conditions can play a big
part as well, and people telling you that it's not
been raining and there's been Matthew Minsity and Auckland right,
It's that adds to the issues as well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
But it's all fun and games and down at the
Home Show US today the Home Garden shown Blennon that
does that. Yesterday I was chatting with someone who's you know,
involved in coatings and so on, and so they described
the situation where a team of contractors I'm not going
to say who obviously arrived wash the house down, let's
say in September and then return to do the work

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in December.

Speaker 9 (01:04:00):
Do you think it might have got a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
I don't think it did particularly well. So yeah, doing
it right, and that's why you're here. So let's rip
into it. Morning, Jeans. I've got three bedrooms that a
little bit dark. I plan to repaint them they're a
new condition. Am I best to do a sealer undercoat
or do I need Can I just go on to
the top coat. So if it's you know, let's say

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it's a dark hue, a dark green or a blue
or something like that, and you want to go for
something lighter and brighter, what's the best course of action.

Speaker 9 (01:04:32):
It's always good to put on a primer undercoat, like
quick dry primer undercoat in that situation. If you're going
to have a big change of color, it's always good
to prime first. Yeah, just it will help with coverage
with the top coats. Also, some colors will have a
specific kind of color undercoat, so it's always best to check.

(01:04:54):
I've just said a case this week where some guys
are doing a cut them out a bright red on
a door, and they've primed it with quick dry, but
it just needed to be a darker color undercoat to
help with the coverage. So since they've done that darker color,
then there's no problems.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Okay, awesome, So and I guess too. Primers also help
with bonding A yes, definitely awesome, right morning. Could you
please ask Jay if he would recommend painting in an
entire house in razine black white or is it bitter
to ed some color? I mean, okay, three bedroom house,
we like razine. We asked the painter what color here?

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Maybe here's the problem. Never asked the painter what color.
I mean, it's not the painter's choice.

Speaker 9 (01:05:43):
They might also have a garage full of stump.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Not saying that good to talk. Yeah, that's yes, it's your.

Speaker 9 (01:05:51):
House, your decision. Like we've got in store color consults,
you've got online color advice, you've got friends and family
you can ask. But at the end of the day,
it's your house. You're the one living in it.

Speaker 13 (01:06:05):
You need to like it.

Speaker 9 (01:06:06):
Yeah, and black white or half black white, it's it's
a nice color, like it lightens everything up. Some people
think it can be too clinical, right, people really like it.
I suppose it depends on the design of your property. Also.
I mean, if you go that white, you can add

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all sorts of color with furnishings in everything you've got. Yeah,
but it really is personal preference.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
And it's quite an interesting color in the sense that
I think we painted host project that color on the outside,
and you kind of go, it looks like white until
you put white next to it, and then suddenly you
see that there is actually a bit of depth to it.

Speaker 9 (01:06:48):
Yeah, a lot off, like that pointer in my house
that looks white. Yes, the light changes and then it
can look a bit gray or a little bit warmer,
and make say, if you put another white next to it,
you realize the color you think's white isn't actually white.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yes, absolutely right. Painting question. My ceiling is painted in
a mate paint and is very difficult to clean. It
has flypoot on it, and I want to repaint it.
How much cleaning do I need to do before painting.
It's probably a couple of things there isn't I mean
the old ceiling flat, which you know the developers and
will kind of use it. And then you go in

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hard wearing areas like kitchens and bathrooms. You're right, not
that easy to clean.

Speaker 9 (01:07:31):
And no, I mean we've got the space coat flap,
which is also a flat but is more serviceable than
your standard ceiling paint. Yes, but as for cleaning before painting,
ideally you want to clean it all ye. Flypoop can
has a tendency to bleed through. Yes, So if you

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don't and you think you'll put another coat of paint on,
in another coat of paint on. You might find yourself
put multiple coats on just to try and cover it.
And it's I mean the amount of time that goes
into that rather than just a few minutes cleaning. Yes,
the other thing you could do would be to put
after cleaning it. Obviously, if you don't clean it as well,

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the paint might not adhere very well to those areas,
which could cause you issues down down the line. But
after cleaning you could also put on an enamel undercoat
or an undercoat to help block everything leading through into
the top coats.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
That cleaner that I picked up from you guys a
while ago, now that bathroom ceiling, what was that? It's
an interior surface.

Speaker 9 (01:08:38):
Paintwork cleaner comes in a little spray bottle. Actually using
it on my walls yesterdays mud and splashed mudd. So yeah,
just you can use that and it just does a
really good job at removing all mops off painted wall.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
I might have to go and pick up so yea,
it was slightly different. I had to mix it up
and put it on.

Speaker 9 (01:09:00):
And there's a concentrate on or there's a spray bottle.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
One right, Okay, I used to concentrate, diluted it, did
the ceilings, clean them, really thoroughly left it, rinsed it,
da da da da da, and how it really got
it off. Took all the color out of my T
shirt too.

Speaker 9 (01:09:15):
But hey, look, okay that was the moss and mold killer. Yes,
I think there were some mold issues.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah, man, that stuff works.

Speaker 9 (01:09:23):
Yeah it's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Oh yeah, but yeah, don't wear a good shirt to
be fair. M Oh here we got just someone's texting
and going, hey, look I've just done the whole house,
four beds, lounge and half black white. Love it. It's
a blank for people to choose their accessory colors. Absolutely
right out. Now someone has got it's the classic sort

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of rusty nails starting to appear on a color steel roof.
So treatment and coating options please.

Speaker 9 (01:09:54):
When you start saying rusty nails, is going to say, well,
puncher or remove them or punch them. You don't really
want to be done, not on a roof. No, So
I suppose if they're really bad, it's looking at them. Otherwise,
we've got armor x GP metal primer that you could
spot prime them with prior to repainting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Armor ex GP Primer, Medical Primer, Metal primer.

Speaker 9 (01:10:21):
Okay, well good, I think you for youse someone one
of you'll go to this one time. It recently changed
name from just GP Metal Primer into the Armor X
range right to be fear made.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
If I'm really honest, I haven't done that job yet,
but thank you for reminding me that I still have
jobs to do. Those rusty nails are still there. Hey, look,
it didn't leak this week, and they bucketed down a
couple of times.

Speaker 14 (01:10:49):
Let me see.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Ah, here we go fifteen to twenty year old wooden
paling fence. Gave it a brushdown before spraying with paint,
but it's flaking off the fences north facing as well.
Where did I go wrong? And what do I do
before repainting? That's from rob.

Speaker 9 (01:11:06):
I suppose a couple of things, like just giving it
a spray down with something, Is that the best prep
you could have done? Like if you're just going to
hose it down or water blast, a lot of the
time you actually need to give it a scrub. Yes,
I know, I didn't do my fence before winter. The

(01:11:26):
new fence and I'm just looking at it down by
the grass is going to be pretty muddy and messy
and enough I just to hose it. It's not going
to be enough to remove everything. So I'll give it
a soft brush scrub with razine, paint prep and house
wash to remove all of that prior to painting. Yep,
and then spraying. Depending on the spray you've used. Is

(01:11:50):
there enough product on there? It adhered very well? Like
which product did you use? Again? Ideally primate prior to
two top coats, something like seeing lumbersider is self priming.
Really it should be three coat saw on roughsor on timber.
So it's enough product being applied.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Right and possibly no primer in which case.

Speaker 9 (01:12:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a few things there that could
of course.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Now last one for you this morning from Marion. I
have a stained area on the ceiling from a fly.
You know those dispenser things fly that's been sitting Well,
if you put them too close to the ceiling.

Speaker 9 (01:12:33):
Yeah, there all down the walls. We kind of stains
everything and just yeah, it makes a bit of a mess.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
So what is there a product? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah, is there a paint that would cover the stain
or something to clean it and then prime it and
then top code it. What's the process.

Speaker 9 (01:12:53):
So it's clean it. I've seen it where it's still
quite wet and tacky, so cleaning it starts to become
an issue. And I've seen it where it seems to
just be discolored. So if it's clear that the best
you can with any sort of cleaner, and say, give
the area a sand and then we've got the solvent

(01:13:14):
born or water born shore seal that could go over
it and then repaint it. Yeah, but it might be
best to do two coats of the sela just to
try and rack everything. But yeah, they're a bit of
a use spaces.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, absolutely. Actually I'm going to sneak in one extra one.
I'm adding some v groove ply H three treated inside
a batch in a covered deck area. But the board
smells of treatment and they do that H three stuff.
Should I seal both sides before painting so it stops
the smell of the ply treatment and what sealer is best?

(01:13:52):
Can I just add a comment in there that that
once you bought the product, you're actually better leaving it
covered so it doesn't get wet, but ventilated and let
it sort of flash off and reducing that odor that
you get from the H three treatment. But then in
terms of painting at what would you suggest so plywood?

Speaker 9 (01:14:14):
Yeah, if it's a smelling of the treatment that that
dispersed before you start trying to paint it, yep. And
then you could use the razine wood primer and I'd
say yes if you can do all sides and kind
of envelope. So let's all last a whole lot longer
than just do in the face.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Brilliant, good sorted, much appreciated. Jay is always thank you
for joining us on a Sunday and enjoy the warriors tonight,
Oka all the this bother there for more painting advice,
make sure you talk to the team at your local
raisine color shop. My thanks to to Jay for joining
us again this morning seven forty three. Here at news
Talk z Beat, we're back to open line talkback. If

(01:14:57):
you've got a question of a building nature, give us.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
A call doing our house storting the garden, ask feet
for ahead the resident builder with Peter Wolfcare.

Speaker 15 (01:15:06):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Today we're going to discuss lining sheds Now. I've done
plenty of that myself and in fact, one of the
go to products for me is Tryboard TGV extremely durable
panel that comes in four hundred wide sheets fifteen mil
thick two length options, so two point four or three
seven forty. Joining us today is Kyle Sheppard, who's the

(01:15:30):
director from Total Span Corimandal. We're going to have a
look at the use of triyboard as a wall and
ceiling lining for some of their new sheds. Hey, thanks
for your time this morning, Kyle. It's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
So for you, welcmpeter, happy to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Great stuff. Hey, so for you using the Tribald TGV
as an interior lining in a shed. What jumped out
at you? What's the advantage?

Speaker 16 (01:15:52):
The clear advantage for us is that the nature of
how triboard is supplied with the three point six sheets
and four hundred more wide fits perfectly with our method
of construction, with our Ontol GRT system and Perlin system
between the rafters, there's no need for additional substraight framing

(01:16:13):
like there are with some other lining products.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Triboard is really really good and of course it'll span
between those girts nicely and the tongue groove locks it
all together.

Speaker 16 (01:16:22):
Oh that's exactly it. You get a for a lined shed,
you get a high quality finish, appearance, values.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Great and clients love it and typically the links of
the TGV. Now it works with the sheds because sheds
are often a little bit taller than the standard to
four and of course the span of the roof. So
how do you find that We find it really good.

Speaker 16 (01:16:43):
Three point six meter warheight is a very very common
right for our clients, and so those longer, longer sheets
at three point six there's there's very little extra work
to fit them straight to the framing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
And now in terms of coating it, you can leave
it or you can do some coating. So what have
you guys played around with.

Speaker 16 (01:17:06):
Many things over the years in a basic sort of
shed fit out where it's not exposed to moisture, We're
not exposed to an imediately adjacent door opening, and a
lot of our clients choose to leave the product uncoded
and it just just weathers as that does my personal preference.
If it's immediately adjacent to a door in the exposed
to weather, a simple clear seal or a simple paint

(01:17:29):
funished works.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Really well for durability and it does paint really well
from my own experience. Hey, now, if people want to
look at some of the total span sheds. What's the
best way to see the wonderful work.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
That you do.

Speaker 16 (01:17:41):
In Total span dot cota injed and there's a serge
array of images there. There's a link to the Corimandal
web page within that and there's some fantastic photos of
past and present products and past Sorry, I'll redo that
Total Span dot cot inzed. Head straight to the corimandal

(01:18:02):
web page and there's some great photos of past and
present projects with tribal ward set outs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Fantastic. Really appreciate your time this morning. That's Kyle Shepard
from Total Span and Coromandal. To check out Dukean's Facebook
page for some trib ard TGV examples by Kyl's team,
go to Facebook. TGV lining and fixing details are available
at JNL dot co dot nz.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Whether you're painting the ceiling fixings or wondering how to
fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter Wolfcap call
on eighty the resident.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Builder on Newstalks edb year with news talks, it'd be
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What a couple of minutes
before the news if you want to sneak and quickly,
Otherwise I'll deal to a whole bunch of texts that
have come through from various conversations that we've had this morning.
A lot of conversation about extraction, a lot of conversation
about condensation, in what types of sort of window makeup,

(01:19:01):
combination of different elements that go into making windows, what
works better, And even in some cases where they've put
in the theoretically the right type of joinery, they've still
got condensation. So let's race through a couple of these.
I've seen condensation on thermally broken kitchen units. I think
we're talking windows new bills six months old. It's important

(01:19:22):
to understand that moisture is still produced by cooking, breathing
and needs to be extracted somehow. Very very good point.
You're absolutely right. So even if you've put in what
we now call thermally broken aluminium joinery, you may still
end up with condensation inside the house in the same
way you might get consation inside the house if you've
got timber joinery. If you're not doing a good job

(01:19:45):
of extracting all of that moisture laden air, that tends
to happen. So if you dry your clothes inside, for example,
you know, if you've taken clothes out of the washing machine,
you bring it inside and you hang it over a
clothes source inside the house. Feel the weight of it, right,
that's moisture. So as it dries, it becomes light. That

(01:20:06):
moisture goes somewhere. It goes into the environment inside the house.
And if you don't have doors and windows open, or
if you don't have an extractor running, that's going to
hang around inside the house and may present as condensation
later on. So yeah, you're right. Extraction from wet areas bathrooms,
for example, and good extraction, effective extraction over cooking surfaces,

(01:20:30):
from laundries. Those sorts of things are important as well.
All of these things are interconnected. So good point about
the extraction and similar question someone's text through, Hey, just
hear'd you talking about the joinery. We've got thermally broken
lowy installed, six year old house. We've still got condensation.
Had the builders and the joiners out, they got all

(01:20:52):
the excuses, but no answers. Just to clarify, the thermal
bracks should not condensate. We have a couple of opening
corners and the architectural joinery and they never condensate. It's
about controlling your internal moisture as well, so in that
instance you've got to do the extraction. Also, you've got
to make sure that the house doesn't get too cold,
because a cold house is going to get more condensation

(01:21:13):
than a warmer house. So if you're not heating properly
and then you're not moving that air around, then you're
going to get problems with condensation as well. We talked
about extraction. This is off the back of Roger who
had a cook top and then wanted extraction in the
electrician I've found out who came has installed a ceiling fan. Basically, Now,

(01:21:35):
whether or not a ceiling fan at what one point
eight meters above a cook top is actually going to
do much to extract that probably not as much as
a conventional sort of range should extractor unit that typically
sits about seven hundred mil above the bench top, so
there's a few problems there. And then I love this
comment as well about extraction. Air hates corners, so straight

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runs are better than a long and winding road for
the extraction. We are back straight after New Sport and Weather,
including a bit of a dive into this building confidence
survey done by EBOS. We'll talk to Matt dooda in
just a moment, squeaky door or squeaky floor.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder
on News Talks B your.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
News Talks B. If you've got a building question, Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
We're talking all things building and construction through to I
don't know, let's call it eight thirty. Then we'll jump
into the garden with a root climb past and we
will we will be talking gardening, will be talking the
wonderful world of bugs and just a moment we're going
to try we'll connect in with Matt Duda from Ebos.

(01:22:45):
It was a story that I picked up on during
the course of the week and happened to sit next
to him at one of the seminars at Building Z
this week as well, and then rang him and said, look,
I wouldn't mind talking about this, So he's a bit
of the background. It's basically a building set or builders
sentiment survey, and they've started to do this over the

(01:23:05):
last couple of years. It was released to the public
on the sixteenth of July, so the headline details is
that the survey shows that the market remains tough. Average
business capacity has dropped to sixty four percent from sixty
seven percent last year, and a quarter of builders are
operating at less than fifty percent capacity. Despite this, the

(01:23:28):
rate of decline in demand has slowed. Net demand sentiment
has improved from negative fifty five and twenty twenty four
to negative thirty three, so we're still in the negatives
in twenty twenty five, and twenty two percent of builders
say that demand has been up over the last twelve months,
versus only twelve percent who indicated that in twenty twenty four.

(01:23:50):
So larger businesses, so let's say eleven to fifty employees,
are showing the most optimism, while sole practitioners and small
businesses remain the most effective. So effected. So we're going
to have a bit of a chat with Matt about
the details of that and pick some of that information.
A couple of texts, including one I got from Damien

(01:24:11):
just because I know him and I know that listens
to the show, which is awesome. Damien's part of the
super home movement. We're talking about condensation, and he's flicked
me a text directly, which I really appreciate. And I've
got a bunch of texts that have come in on
nine two nine two. Condensation on Newman windows is also

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often caused because they're still being installed out of the
outside of the cavity rather than in line with the insulation.
So if you've got thermally broken joinery and it's hanging
out in the fresh air because we're putting stuff on
a cavity and we're hanging out double glazing right outside there,
so at that point the thermally broken element has been

(01:24:51):
rendered in Damien's words, pointless, you're absolutely right. Have a look.
I mean, brands have got some really good stuff. Super
home Movement in their guides have got some really good
stuff about how we need to put our windows together. Basically,
this is the common You've got the double glazing, you've
got the frames, and if you're on a thermally effective frame,

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whether it's timber uPVC, thermally broken aluminium, where you put
it in relation to the actual wall that's got all
your insulation in it as well is actually really really important.
And actually talking about the super home movement because I
mentioned them every now and then, and I was first
sort of introduced to them probably about ten years ago. Well,

(01:25:34):
it must be ten years ago because they're celebrating ten years,
which is awesome. So I remember going down to christ
Church to have a look at a house that was
going to be one of New Zealand's first ten star
Home Star rated homes and that was interesting because when
I did the initial Home Star program for Home Star practitioners,

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the people taking the course said, we don't think that
we'll ever see a ten star house in New Zealand. Well,
the good news is we do. And we're going to
have a chat with Dan Saunders, who's a builder involved
in the super home movement, next week on the show,
so we're looking forward to that as well. But their
Healthy Home Guide has got examples of how you can

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build better beyond the building code better practice, making sure
that your double glazed units and your thermally efficient joinery
is tucked in nicely it's what they call recess joinery,
or it's in line with the insulation in the walls.
Because you're right, Damien's right. Lots of building scientists are right.
If we've got thermally broken joinery of whatever description and

(01:26:43):
it's hanging outside and then you've got a great big
gap around it because you've pushed that right to the outside.
Because you've got a cavity, well, then the effectiveness of
it is much diminished. And also just on the super
home movement before we talk to Matt from EBOS, they
are working on and will release shortly a renovation guide.

(01:27:03):
So much of the super home movement is focused on
getting that right now. They've done a whole lot of
research around existing homes, including breaking it down by age.
Let's say, so, if you've got a villa, what can
you do? If you've got a bungalow, what can you do?
If you've got a x staty from the nineteen forties?
What do you do if you've got a sort of

(01:27:25):
you know, house that was built let's say in the
nineteen sixties that kind of feels modern, but it performs
like an old villa, what do you do? So that
super Home Guide, as soon as I hear that it's out,
I will certainly let you know. Right, let's go back
and have a look at this survey, the sentiment, and
it's my great pleasure to welcome to the program. Matt
Duda from EBOS. Thanks for your time this morning.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
Matt, Hey, Pete, good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Nice yeah, yeah, nice to talk to you too, And
I mean we ended up sitting next to each other
at the seminar but didn't get a chance to chat.
And then I saw this story that came out, and
so just tell us about the survey. What is it
that you're looking to investigate when you go out and
talk to how many builders? What level of you know,
we're talking really big firms, one man bands. Who are

(01:28:12):
you talking to and what's the survey about?

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
Yeah? Right, So we started this three years ago and
the intention was ready to create an annual insight into
the building industry. So we partnered up with brands and
certified builders, YEP and SOOT. It'd be a really good
idea to every year just check him with a whole
bunch of builders and think about how's the market, how

(01:28:36):
does it compare to twelve months ago? Yes, and what
are your thoughts around what the future looks like and
what are some of the things that holding the industry back?
And so in May we went out and surveyed four
hundred and thirty building firms and got their views on that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
And the range is some you know, small to medium enterprises,
so you know a guy with you know, a building
owner with a couple of workers through to some teams
that have got like fifty employees for example, So it's
a broad range.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Yeah, that's right. So this is kind of where I
suppose when we get into the findings, we'd see that
there's quite a different market depending on where you're building,
where you live, and also the size of the firm.
And just remember in New Zealand, the majority of firms
actually have less than five employees. Yeah, and so that's

(01:29:27):
that's that's the big end of the market that we're
interested in. And I suppose we start getting into the details,
are the ones who we see are finding it toughest
at present.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
So what I'm intrigued about is this capacity thing. So
the survey says that the market remains tough. Average business
capacity has dropped to sixty four percent from sixty seven
last year. Quarter of builders are operating at less than
fifty percent capacity. So when you say fifty percent capacity,
does that mean they could do double the amount of
work to get back to where they were a couple

(01:30:01):
of years ago? Is that the sense?

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Yeah, that's right, And so we back we in twenty
twenty three when the market was going it was really
strong eighty three percent capacity we think about that drop
down to sixty three. I suppose we need to bear
in minders that a lot of these firms have already
shed staff as well, right, So it's you know, the

(01:30:23):
market is contracted extremely quickly, and we've just got a
lot of builders out there now who really could do
effectively double the work that they're doing right now. So
I think things are strong message anyone who's thinking about
engaging a builder, and there should be some great builders
available now that can start work quite quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Yeah, which, you know, I think back a couple of
years ago, you'd be lucky if someone answered the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
Oh that's right, yep, yep, absolutely, And we're seeing that
across the other sub trades as well. So we've had
some feedback from plumbers and electricians, you know, both commenting
that they're finding the same impact as well at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
And now talking about apprentices you mentioned the number of
people who are doing who are actively involved in apprenticeships
for plumbing and electrical in particular, and to be fair,
I was a little bit shocked by the numbers. Tell
us a bit more about that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
Yeah, so we just when we saw the impact on
carpenter builder apprentices. In the survey, we reached out to
master plumbers and also to metro organizations to see if
they were having you know, they were seeing the same thing.
And yeah, so plumbing apprenticeships down fifty percent they were

(01:31:44):
in twenty twenty three, and we've actually got the lowest
number of electrical apprenticeships since twenty eleven. And so see
the suggestion there is that you know, once we actually
see the market start to move and our viewers at
this level of new build activities going to hang around

(01:32:05):
for a while, right, But when that does slowly lift,
we're going to be seeing incredibly quickly of shortage and
skilled professionals in the industry. I saw something from the
Electrical Association that though I think it's up to twenty
percent of their members are retiring annually, they've just got right,

(01:32:28):
this is usually aged workforce. And so again anyone who's
thinking about changing career, I think in a few years
time there's going to be some great opportunities in the
building industry.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
And I think similar numbers in terms of plumbing apprentices
there's a remarkable drop in the number of people doing
plumbing apprentices And then I remember talking with the master
plumbers years ago. You know, the average age of a
plumber is something like in their late fifties early sixties, right,
So you know, can we see what's going to happen
in the future year we can there's going to be
a desperate shortage.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
Yeah, that's right. I think there's less than four hundred
it's plumbing apprentices in New Zealand at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Okay, in the survey, is there any good news? I
think you know, at Building z for the last couple
of days and talking to people, everyone's looking for green shoots.
But are they out there and are they going to grow?
What's your sense?

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
Well, look, if we just look I think everything we
do we need to be constructive and this is not
about beating up the industry. We just need to look
at what are the drivers for new construction. And at
the moment, I've got record levels of you know, probably
house listings in New Zealand. When we come out of

(01:33:52):
COVID there are I think fourteen thousand house listings nationwide.
We're now at thirty two thousand.

Speaker 7 (01:33:59):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
What happens is that because we've got stock turn which
is also at low levels. It means we're kind of
building up this residual of housing stocks, so I yes,
I think it makes people more hesitant to think about
a new build when you know chances today you can
probably find something that you can move into right now

(01:34:21):
that currently exists, you can see in touch, so it's
less risky. So I think that's happening. And then immigration
people will know that, you know, that really has slowed
down and that's been a great driver of demand for
new construction. So we're really just building the houses that
allow us to keep up with the natural population growth,

(01:34:42):
which is sort of we're out at the moment. So
for residential I think that the good news here is
that what we saw on the survey is that although
the environment is tough, builders seem to be more resilient
and they were twelve months ago, so that all this uncertainty,
they're actually handling that. And I think they're also looking

(01:35:04):
in a wider variety of work, so that means that
they're looking for alterations and additions where they might have
just been concentrating on new builds or maybe doing some
light commercial work. So there's that I suppose that resilience
and adaptability that we pride ourselves on as a nation.
It's definitely coming through what we see in the survey.

(01:35:25):
Then in the commercial realm may well have seen that
the government.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Just year the school class fantastica great timing.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
So we've got that, and then we've also got the
Regional Hospitals program, which is one hundred and ten projects
over the next ten years. So there's commercial work that
the builders who focused on that seem to be the
most positive, right and have a positive outlook in the
next twelve months. Actually there's something positive.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
I guess. I know, the survey has only been running
three years, which is fair enough if you started then,
But is there a sense for been in this game
for sort of thirty years that we all got drunk
on low interest rates and the post COVID thing was
an anomaly, right, So that wasn't ever normal and we
shouldn't regard it as normal. So if we cast our

(01:36:17):
mind back ten years and looked at building consent numbers
and people there, are we kind of at the same
level or are we actually lower than those levels? I mean,
you know, I was talking to architects last week and
some are reporting that it's it's their worst year in
fifty years. That's pretty severe.

Speaker 9 (01:36:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
Look, if we look at the data, building concent numbers
take us back to twenty seventeen twenty eighteen levels. Yep,
So you're right, we should just disregard the highst that
we had ensure twenty one twenty two. Just what's happened
is work has dried up so quickly. Yes, this winter
hill is just you know, it's the speed that it's arrived.

(01:37:02):
And remember many of these building firms are really forced
to grow and grow quickly, Yes, because of just as
we came out of COVID that the market was so
hot and so yeah, this just feels like our capacity
has had to grow and so it just feels like
a very slow market. But we're actually back to what

(01:37:25):
would have been a really healthy market a decade ago.

Speaker 8 (01:37:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
So how I mean going back to the optimism thing,
because I think we've got to be at least a
little bit positive. You've pointed out a couple of areas
where you know, some of the larger scale projects, the
infrastructure stuff, the hospitals, the schools, but the housing thing
typically what we're expecting is it's going to be pretty flat.
You know, everyone sort of hung on you know that

(01:37:53):
survived to twenty five and then suddenly we realize we've
got to get through twenty five, and now it sounds
like we might actually as small to medium enterprises need
to hang on through twenty six as well before we
can see some turnaround, Pete.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
Unfortunately that you so, yeah, I think in terms of
look at I'm focusing on new builds here, but psically
renovation market with A and A alterations and editions as
typically ten percent of the value of new builds. We
see that as currently near fifteen percent and could grow.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Actually okay, yes, so this is.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Consented renovation work. Non consent of renovation work, we estimate
probably valued at around thirty percent of new builds. Yes,
So look, this is to come back to a point earlier.
If there's any anyone listening who's thinking about doing something
to their current house, you can get good people now

(01:38:58):
at great labor rates. We've got a very very stable
pricing and yes, building products, and so I do to
anyone to think if they're on they're thinking about it
now as a gloss top, you are never a better
time to build them now. And yep, you know, with

(01:39:21):
everything as it lies at the moment, that that's certainly
very true.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
There's some evidence for it. Matt, thank you very much
for your time this morning. Really really appreciate it. There's
great insights, and I guess let's talk again the year
when the new survey's out and hopefully there's a little
bit of good news as well. But really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Yeah, yeah, Look, if anyone wants to find out more
about the report, they can just go to z and
look at build a Sentiment Report. It's free for them
to download. But nice talking to your people.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Ye'll see you next year, look forward to take care
and again that's where I've been reading it. So just
go to eboss so e like the letter e Boss
dot co dot NZ. All the information's there. It's the
this is great. This will be a really valuable resource,
you know in years to come as well as that
builds up to get a genuine insight into where are

(01:40:14):
we at, what are the conditions those apprentice numbers might
have to reach out to Greg Wallace from Master Plumbers
a little bit of a chat about that, but that's
you know, that's the riding on the wall, isn't it.
You can see what's going to happen in a couple
of years time, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If
you want to talk to rud we'll try and sneak
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Speaker 11 (01:42:08):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Let's get into it. Folks. If you've got a question
for Rid klimb Past, he is available and raring to go,
wants to talk about all things gardening and the wonderful
world of bugs as well. You can call us now. Oh,
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Are you with us?

Speaker 17 (01:42:26):
I am certainly.

Speaker 7 (01:42:27):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
You're waiting the.

Speaker 17 (01:42:30):
Baited breath.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
I could hear it now. I tell you what, Before
we rip into it, someone sent me an email which
I forwarded on to you as well, about the moths.
Here we go, wasps reeking have it? Hi, Pete, I'm
from Moths and Butterflies of New Zealand Trust, not for
profit conservation organization concerned with helping moths and butterfly. I

(01:42:52):
got your details from Michael and the editorial. There's a
survey that they're.

Speaker 17 (01:42:57):
Doing, survey, h the wasp survey.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Yeah, I think so was I think? So there we go, Yeah, rehab.

Speaker 18 (01:43:05):
It, Okay, that is there are so we've got quite
a few. This is the Moths and Butterfly. This used
to be Demonic Butterfly Trust.

Speaker 15 (01:43:12):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Okay, so Moths and Butterfly of New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (01:43:15):
You've got it.

Speaker 17 (01:43:15):
Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 18 (01:43:16):
So what they want to do is they want to
do a survey on how many wasps of which species
are where, et cetera, et cetera. And and that's so
that's very simple. We've got the German wasp, we've got
the common wasp, and then we have three species of
paper wasps as well. And guess what MPI just alerted
us last week or a week ago before that that

(01:43:37):
there is another wasp that has been found in I
think in Auckland. Only two observations so far. MPI would
really like to know where they are and if there's
any others. Yes, it's quite unlikely in the winter time,
but there you go. It's just an idea. And so
go and have a look on there MPI website and

(01:43:58):
you'll find out exactly what that thing looks like. And
I'll do a little more extensive thing on Jack Tam
in a couple of weeks time.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Anyway, brilliance. Right, Well, we've got a bunch of calls,
a bunch of we need to talk. Let's let's rip
into it. Rick A very good morning to you. Hello, Rick,
Hello Space, Hello.

Speaker 10 (01:44:20):
Go for it.

Speaker 18 (01:44:23):
Yeah, it's rude, it's rude, but two u's in one
d A rudd is an invasive fish. Just saying no, no,
it's not okay, get on with it.

Speaker 19 (01:44:34):
Rick again, I have a question about praying mantiss. Yeah, yeah, okay,
So the invasive species. Is there a way that we
can get rid of them or is it like traps
or anything.

Speaker 18 (01:44:48):
No, I don't think there is. And besides, you can
try all you like. I think this is the thing
that he's here to stay, if you like. I must say,
there are just some people are doing some research at
the moment on the native wasp as opposed to the
the African wasp, but South African was called the springbok manted. Anyway,

(01:45:10):
this thing is so well established around, especially in the
north of New Zealand, that I don't see us doing
any eradication of that thing forever. The second thing is
and I must say that I've got a bit of
a soft spot for that thing because it's the best
mentors to have in captivity, work with kids at schools

(01:45:31):
and teach them how to feed them by hand and
things like that. It's actually quite cool, and I don't
think they compete that much with our native wasp. I
have the feeling they have slightly different areas where they
live and where they prefer to live, like in gardens,
which are modified, if you like, areas with in terms

(01:45:51):
of plants and trees, whereas the native one tends to
be more in native situations.

Speaker 17 (01:45:58):
So that's my idea. So leave them, Rick, I would say,
does that make sense?

Speaker 7 (01:46:07):
Yeah, I think I was talking about the praying mantis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:46:13):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:46:13):
The only place that I found them on our farmers
actually on in the barbary hedges. Yeah, I was just running,
But I have noticed the invasive ones actually attacked them
and eat them.

Speaker 10 (01:46:24):
Have you.

Speaker 17 (01:46:25):
I have never seen that yet.

Speaker 18 (01:46:27):
That is interesting because that was another thing I was
going to say, but I thought I wasn't going to
take all the mickey out of everybody. I've never seen that,
so I'm not too sure, but it could well happened
because it's an aggressive field our property.

Speaker 7 (01:46:41):
Over ten years ago, there's some native ones around the house,
and I just happened to come across that there was
a silver one with silver wings was actually eating one
of the native ones, and that sort of put me
on the questory sort of try and get rid of them.

Speaker 17 (01:46:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see what you mean.

Speaker 18 (01:46:59):
I think if you have a lot of plants and
trees that are of the native variety and nice and dense,
you'll find that the uh, the african mantis will not
like it as much as, for instance, a garden setting,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:47:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that.

Speaker 18 (01:47:17):
Good observation. Though, thank you didn't know I did, well,
I knew about it. I heard about it, but I've
never seen it.

Speaker 7 (01:47:24):
Yeah, it was just very odd because I don't know, like, yeah,
a lot of the schools and that they don't or
kids in school don't know the difference between the invasive
one and the native one.

Speaker 17 (01:47:35):
Correct the little blueish on the inside their arms.

Speaker 18 (01:47:41):
Of their front the front legs. That's right, lovely A.
It's very nice to see. Hey, have you have you
ever have you ever had some of those either natives
or African ones egg cases that hatched.

Speaker 7 (01:47:56):
I used, I've seen one lay in egg case. I've
never seen a native one, okay, not that I'm aware of,
but I have seen the African one layer.

Speaker 17 (01:48:07):
Okay.

Speaker 18 (01:48:07):
What I always like is when they hatch from the eggs,
these babies they run in all the rexes. They run
like hell, and I've always wondered why that is. And
the reason is usually the first meal they have is
their brother or sister.

Speaker 17 (01:48:22):
Yeah, just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
They're quick and the hungry for that wreck all the
Take care and Gary, what's going on at your place?

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
Good morning, gentlemen.

Speaker 20 (01:48:39):
I have a property at Mangifi Heads north of Auckland,
and I have a situation with the birds. And these
are the ones that are slightly bigger than the sparrows
but are scratching my precious lawn right down to the
soil and wondering if you could tell me why they'd
be doing it for the first time ever and secretly,
how I overcome it.

Speaker 17 (01:49:01):
If you have an answer, I might have an answer
because it's Starling's is that they're doing it.

Speaker 6 (01:49:07):
Yes, it probably would be.

Speaker 18 (01:49:08):
Yes, the dark ones, the black ones were the lovely
actually lovely, lovely, not soloment things like that.

Speaker 7 (01:49:14):
Lovely.

Speaker 15 (01:49:14):
Ye.

Speaker 17 (01:49:16):
The people are they are, they are the offenders, that's right.

Speaker 18 (01:49:20):
The reason is you have such a fabulously gorgeous lawn
that the grass grub, which is a native beetle species,
go into your lawn because it has got nice roots,
and that's what they eat, the roots of grasses, and
they go maybe two or three inches deep.

Speaker 17 (01:49:39):
At this time of the year, they're coming.

Speaker 18 (01:49:41):
More and more to the surface, and you can you
can like it or love it. But these these stylings
know exactly when they come to the surface and they say, ha,
you know what, I'm going to Gary's place because he's
got the best grass grubs in the world.

Speaker 17 (01:49:58):
So does that make sense?

Speaker 20 (01:50:01):
Yes, anything about it?

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
Yes, you can believe.

Speaker 18 (01:50:04):
There are quite a few things like yates have got
a grub and phina thing that actually kills those grubs
right now. So it's grub and Phina parina is a
caterpillar that lives in your lawn as well. Probably they
might go for that too. So use that grubs and
porhina stuff that Yates is making and spray your lawn

(01:50:27):
with that, and you'll find that when these creatures have
been annihilated, you'll find that the stylings know exactly are
No gary is not that great anymore?

Speaker 16 (01:50:40):
Right?

Speaker 20 (01:50:41):
And is there once?

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Only applications do I need to do on a regular basis.

Speaker 18 (01:50:45):
I think you can do it with once now and
maybe do it again in about three weeks time, two
or three weeks time to make sure that you got
most of them, because they all go upwards in their
own tempo if you like, you know what I mean,
when they're low down at the root zones they so
this is a period of the year that they are
coming up.

Speaker 17 (01:51:05):
So yes, it pays with again.

Speaker 20 (01:51:07):
Three weeks in a word, to pick the grass itself.

Speaker 17 (01:51:11):
No, because it's specifically made for those grass grubs. Yeah,
thank you very much for advice, good cors.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
It's all very busy to you, buddy with grass grubs,
which I don't know that I've got them or not.
But do they tend to sort of heave the soil
as well, Because I've mowing the lawns now. It's it's
like driving on a potholed road.

Speaker 17 (01:51:32):
That's right.

Speaker 18 (01:51:32):
Yeah, they do that sometimes, and so do parhina the
parinum off as well, so they expose the tops of
the soil a little bit, right. And if you uh,
there's actually a good good thing to say about the
level of which you cut the grass.

Speaker 17 (01:51:47):
Don't go too low at this time.

Speaker 11 (01:51:49):
Of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Don't worry.

Speaker 18 (01:51:51):
But you know what I mean, But that is that
is always a very good thing to remember because I
know you think you will won't have to mow that
quickly again, which is logical. But on the other hand,
you're causing quite a few troubles as well.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Roger that thank you, I might I'll let away for
discussions at home on a later date. Yours is much
discussed anyway, we might talk about lawn rolling as well.
But later on we're going to take a short break.
If you'd like to talk to Ruth, to give us
a call right now, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Meta twice God once, but maybe call Pete first. Peter Wolfcamp,
the resident Builder. News Talk said B. For more from
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