Full Show Podcast: 22 June 2025

On The Resident Builder with Pete Wolfkamp Full Show Podcast for 22nd June 2025, Pete tackles weatherboard questions, how to fix doors, contract remediations, and even how to whiten toilets.

Jay Sharples from Resene Paints explains when the best time to stain cedar, how to maintain decking, and painting over rust.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
Camp from News Talks at B. Whether you're patting the ceiling,
fixing the fence, or wondering how to fix that hole
in the wall, give Peter wolf Cap a call on
eight The Resident Builder on News Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
A house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the
grass is overgrown in the yard, even when the dog.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Is too old to barn, and when you're sitting at
the table trying not to stop.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Scissor home, even when we are ben.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Even when you're therellone.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Dis old.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Houses, even when there's goos, even when you go.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Around from the ones you love, your mom scream broken pains,
appearing in.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
Front of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Locals west when they're gone, leaving them, even when Wilbravan,
even when you're in there looney.

Speaker 7 (01:42):
Well, very good morning and welcome along to the Resident
Builder on Sunday. That's with me, Pete wolf Camp, the
Resident Builder here this morning, as we are every Sunday morning,
and it's a pleasure to be here to take your
calls about all things building and construction, the rules, the regulations,
the red tape. I'm very very tempted today to talk
about road cones. I'll explain a bit more about that later.

(02:04):
How that relates to building well it, let me assure you.
But there seems to be some movement on the on
the road cone menace. Let's say that we've we've had
for the last couple of years. We might get into that.
There's a couple of interesting sort of tangential stories, tangentle
if I go off on a tangent, stay with me.

(02:26):
We'll get there in the end. Eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Someone text three last
week and said, gush, you talked too much at the beginning.
Well I do because I'm waiting for the call. So
simple way to get me to stop talking this morning
is to ring oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, So
eight hundred eighty ten eighty inflec through a text as well,
nine two nine two, And if you'd like to email me,

(02:48):
I've logged and I'm ready to go. It's Pete at
Newstalk SB dot co dot nz. So Pete Pete at
Newstalk SB dot co dot nz. But the most important
thing to remember is the number, and that number is
eight hundred eighty ten eighty we have lines free not surprising.
It's the beginning of the show. We do get busy
later in the show, and it's not uncommon that I
have to say, look, I'm sorry, we just can't get

(03:10):
to you today on the show. You can circumvent that
by phoning. Now, if you've got a question of a
building nature, whether it's a practical thing, some jobs that
you're doing, and every now and then what you expect
to go well doesn't always go as well as you
would have hoped, or you would have anticipated, or there's
unforeseen consequences to an action. I'm still trying to scrape

(03:35):
off a little bit of material that I used thinking
it would be the right thing to do. I know
that's rather vague, but I soaked the bottom of a
whole lot of ballusters in protein framesaver because what I
wanted to do was make sure that the bottom of
the ballister and the top of the balluster, actually where
there's the ningrain, was going to be preserved so that

(03:55):
I'm not getting the start of some rot that I've
seen and some other ballusters, except I was a little
bit over enthusiastic with my application of that particular product,
which is a very very good product in terms of
a timber preservative, but I used too much for too long,
and then when it came to sort of trying to

(04:16):
treat and paint the ends, it's been a little bit
of a process. Anyway, that job's just about finished. Assembly
will begin later on this week and those balustrades can
go back in. And I tell you what. We've got Jay,
our painting expert, coming on to join us at around
seven twenty five this morning. So if you've got any
particular painting questions, text them through to me now on

(04:38):
nine two nine two ISBZB from your mobile phone. We'll
put those aside. We'll take those to Jay. The thing
that I encountered actually this week I was setting up
I'm supervising a remedial job which includes having to address
some areas where the paint has started to decay on
a weather board house, so fairly conventional building methodology. The

(05:01):
paint in just a couple of what I thought was
just a couple of areas had started to decay. The
recommendation from the building super surveyor who has been contracted
to do a essentially a performance report on the exterior
cladding is that that should be addressed because we know
that when the paint system fails, it allows moisture to

(05:22):
enter into the timber, into the weather boards, and then
you'll get eventually a failure of the weather boards, which
means a failure of the clotting system. So, as part
of the overall job, we highlighted some areas where there
was some paint that had started to flake off and
we were going to address those areas. And so to
indicate to the painters which areas I wanted them to tackle,

(05:44):
because I didn't want the job to sort of turn
into a complete repaint when that wasn't necessary. I went
round with a bit of normal masking tape and just
put a little square of masking tape on the areas
that I wanted them to target. Wanded around the house.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
It's actually up on.

Speaker 7 (06:00):
The roof, but that's okay because we've got edge protection.
Wandered around. Did those get it? Next day I get
a call from the painters and mate Carl going, yeah,
it's going to be a little bit of a bigger
job than we thought. I said, well, what do you mean,
I've told you which areas I want you to do?
That's all I think you need to do. He said. Ah.
Once we started on the job, you know, other areas

(06:20):
were flaking off. We could see other areas, including when
we went to take the masking tape off that I
had put there to indicate the areas that I needed
to do, it peeled the paint off with it. And
I was talking to Jay, our painting expert who will
be on the show at seven twenty five this morning
about that in terms of is that a way of

(06:41):
testing whether or not your paint system, your existing coating
is in reasonable condition. Apply a little bit of masking tape.
If you peel it off and it peels the paint off,
it's probably an indication that that paint system is reaching
the end of its life. Anyway, we'll talk about that
with Jay. But if you've got some specific questions for Jay,

(07:01):
text them through to me nine two nine two. If
you have a question for me, and I sure that
you do, then the number to call right now is
eight hundred eighty ten eighty. As always, we're into the
garden with climb passed from about eight thirty this morning,
So if you've got any gardening or entomological questions, we

(07:22):
can do that. I did actually take the liberty because
I've got his number obviously of sending him a text. Today,
I was in the garden this is the day before,
trying to rush around finish the lawns while the weather
was good. The plum tree that we have, which is
a really old plum tree in the back of that
at the back of the house, had some plums on it,

(07:42):
like matariki plums. They were tiny, but they were there
crazy time a year. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty the
number to call. Text are coming in, but I'd love
you calls. We'll do the text first, then we'll take
a break there we'll take your calls. Eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Pete. We're wanting
to get a water tank installed to save on our bills.

(08:04):
Do we need a council permit? Broadly speaking, No, so
depending in part on how big the tank is going
to be. And I suspect if it's in a sort
of urban environment, you're looking at two to three thousand letters. No,
you don't need a building consent for that. You used
to need a building consent if it was up on

(08:26):
a platform. Even that's changed. A little bit. So in general, no,
you don't need a building consent for that, and I
would wholeheartedly recommend it. It was fascinating being at field
Days last week, so before last Sunday, and I spent
a bit of time. I did quite a lot of
work with Bailey water tanks. And at a rural event,

(08:50):
which is field Days, they had a mixture of the
large sort of typical rural tanks or tanks that would
go often to farms and so on, thirty thousand leaders,
twenty five thousand leaders, that sort of thing. And then
they've also got a whole range of what I would
call not dismissively urban tanks thousand letters, six hundred liters,
two thousand liters, three thousand leads, that sort of thing,

(09:12):
often compact tanks, so slim, taller, slimmer. You can tuck
them in behind garden sheds and alongside houses and next
to the path. Those sorts of things. A lot of
interest in those. I think more and more people are
starting to look at, well, what can I do. Partly
it's resilient. Can I make sure that I've got some

(09:34):
freshish water on site if for some reason there's a
water main burst, or there's issues where I can't access water.
There's a whole thing in terms of cost saving, which
is exactly what Marie's talking about, where if you can
reuse that, even if you just reuse it to irrigate
the garden, it's still going to make a significant difference.

(09:54):
I've got some water blasting to do this week. I
will plug the water blaster into the slim gym tank
that I've got and use the water that I've collected
from the tank rather than mains water. Makes a lot
of sense to me. And then there's the whole stormwater mitigation.
What we can do to ensure that we capture as
much stormwater on site and release it in a controlled manner.

(10:16):
That's increasingly popular as well. Write out let's get amongst it.
Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call
at sixteen and a half minutes after six the lines
are open. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call. Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Get the right advice from Peuteri Wolfcare the resident builder
On News TALKSB.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
You a News Talks B if you've got a question
of a building nature practical theoretical legislation, rules and regulations.
We can talk about all these things on the program
this morning. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number
to call Jimmy, good morning.

Speaker 8 (10:50):
Good morning morning. I've tried to teach you. I've tried
to email you and nothing goes through, even your doozy.
You've never applied.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
All right, how can I help you now? It is
a call in of course. Yes.

Speaker 8 (11:07):
Basically, the tenants in and out of their rooms and
into the toilet and back again, and all the doors
bang yes, looked on Google and all that and no no,
And I've tried to adjust the doors yep to stop
them when they when the poll goes over at bangs.

Speaker 9 (11:29):
There.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
There was a system that I saw a number of
years ago, and it was kind of in its infancy.
Let's say, someone who was trying to develop a product
for exactly that. So if you look at sort of
older draw slides used to buy a little like a
little plastic insert that acted like a piston and you

(11:51):
could drill into the carcass of the cabinet and then
when you push the door closed, it would hit the
piston and the piston would slowly absorb the impact. Let's
say of the drawfront. That's a little bit old technology,
you know, ten, fifteen, even twenty years ago, but the
guy was developing something very similar that you could insert

(12:13):
into the door jam so that when the door closed,
it hit the piston and then slowed down the rate.
Let's say that the door is traveling, so you don't
get that bang when the door is slammed shut. It
basically prevented doors from slamming, and where they were thinking

(12:33):
it would be useful, as you know, particularly in houses
with small children, because we've all heard stories about kids
getting their fingers jammed in the door, right, so it
would stop that, but it would also slow down the noise.
The last time I talked to the guy about this
was probably she was It might have been eight or
nine years ago, so I'm not sure that it ever
got any further. It seemed like a good idea. It

(12:57):
just whether or not it got any traction. And to
be fair, I haven't seen them available in stores, but
that would be the most straightforward solution that I could think.
So it's just a pistol.

Speaker 8 (13:07):
Well, I've tried adjusting that the depth of the poor
when it goes over the center or when it goes
past the sharp point. And I've actually drilled holes and
put o ring board in the hole to try and
stop it. And I've tried the stick on I don't know,
the stick on stuff, you know, the spongy stuff.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
Yeah, you'd put inside the door inside the door stops
so that when the door hits it, it strikes a
soft surface rather than a hard surface.

Speaker 8 (13:38):
Yeah, I've tried everything.

Speaker 7 (13:40):
That doesn't make any difference.

Speaker 8 (13:41):
I mean, you know, it's it's more about I don't know.
I really can't get my head around the fact that
the because it's it goes in and it hits, and
the's it's a shape and then it ends with it's
you know, I've tried everything because it either doesn't shut

(14:02):
or it it just bangs. Yes, anyway, you don't know
so well.

Speaker 7 (14:08):
I know there was a product a few years ago.
Whether or not he was able to develop it and
get it marketed and get it out there and it's
still on the shelves, I'm not sure, but a Google
search around sort of soft close apparatus for doors might
be your option. You can get conventional door closers that
will they tend to work to close the door. But

(14:30):
because they've got a piston in them, they slow down
the rate that the door closes. That's an option. Otherwise
I guess it's it's human behavior, isn't it, and that
is harder to change. Jimmy, thank you very much for
your call. Please that you got through and see ultimately
the best way to get through is to call eight
hundred eighty ten eighty. Appreciate the call, Jimmy. It was

(14:50):
It was an idea that it's one of those things
you meet people at building shows all the time, and
you know, like there's obviously there's the home and garden
shows that I'm involved in, there's the Home show, there's
Building Z. There's other sort of trade focused shows that
are on and every now and then there's a new

(15:13):
idea that comes out and you think, oh, I wonder
how that's going to go. And this was a classic one.
It was a very simple, like a little piston that
you could drill an insert into the doorframe. That meant
that when the door closed it hit that it reduced
the impact and the door closed. You had to kind
of push the door closed, I think ultimately, but it

(15:33):
would stop them banging and it would stop them jamming
fingers as well. If it's out there, because I had
a conversation with the guy a couple of times years ago.
If it's if you've made it work. If it's out there,
please let me know eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,
or you can text nine two ninety two, or you
could email me Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz.

(15:56):
Quick couple of texts before the break, Pete, I want
to build a tennis rebound wall that is four point
eight meters long and two point four meters high with
a ten pitch with cemented piles. Do I need a
building consent? Is it a wall or a fence or neither?
Well either two point four meters high. Typically, things that

(16:21):
are up to about two point four meters high would
typically require a building consent, But if it's going to
be more than its height away from the boundary, probably
not require a building consent. The ten degree pitch thing
is intriguing. For all the time that I spent bashing

(16:42):
a tennis ball against the wall, typically they were plumb.
I guess there's an advantage to that, and I presume
you've got sort of a hard area in front of it.
Upon which to stand when belting the tennis ball. I
think it would be mainly about its proximity to the
boundary that For example, you've got a boundary fence at

(17:04):
one point five meters or one point eight meters high typically,
and then let's say half a meter inside there, you
want to build something that's two point four meters high.
I think that council would want you to get a
consent for that, or out of courtesy to the neighbor,
you'd probably want to bring it in until it's inside

(17:25):
the recession plane. Heightened relation to boundary might come into
play there. Another quick text. My house is maybe seven
meters from the road. When heavy vehicles drive by, the
house can shake, feels like a small earthquake. It's been
happening for a number of years. This never used to happen.
Is this something that I might be concerned about from
Mike if you've been there for a number of years

(17:47):
and it didn't used to happen. Is the increasing frequency
of that experience related to an increase in traffic, and
traffic typically around the country is increased everywhere, in which
case it's the frequency of the traffic rather than anything
that's changed in the house. The other thing is with
your house, Mike. Is it on timber piles? Does it

(18:09):
have let's say a solid concrete or masonry ring wall
type foundation? Is a concrete slab on grade? I'd need
to know a few more details about that, another rather
technical one. I'll have a look at that in a moment.
Right time for your calls. Oh eight hundred eighty ten
eighty is the number to call, coming up twenty eight

(18:30):
minutes after six were.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident
builder with Peter Wolfcat call oh eight hundred eighty.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Ten eighty US talk saed B, what news talks, sad
B extra.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
The pilot may not have extended the wing flaps. But
trouble for Boeing is it does not have the same
benefit of the doubt that a plane maker would normally
have with a crash like this because of all of
the problems that Boeing has already had in the last
ten years. Never mind the fact that the problems have
been with the seven three seven narrow body planes, and
this is a seven eight seven, which is completely different.
Never Mind that Boeing shares fell immediately. They have stayed down.

(19:06):
Now I would say that speed is of the essence
here for the people who are doing the investigation with
getting those answers out. These investigators, I understand, have about
thirty days under international expectations to issue the preliminary findings,
but they should, all things going well, have answers out
of that flight data record the flight data recorders within days,

(19:26):
if not hours of the crash, and then I think
the sooner that the public are told what has happened,
the better for Boeing's sake, and Boeing will be hoping
like hell that the answers clear the plane and unfortunately
blame the pilot.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
That was a news talk Sai'd be extra news talk
said be.

Speaker 7 (19:44):
Certainly, we're taking your text, but also your calls. Eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.
I'll continue to do a bit of research about soft
door closers. I just I feel that that idea from
the sky that I met a couple of years ago,
look just maybe didn't get some traction, which is unfortunate
because it was actually quite a clever idea. If you

(20:05):
know of it, or know where I can buy some,
or more importantly, where Jimmy Camp feel free to give
us a call. Oh E one hundred and eighty ten
eighty is that number to call? Another text Pete love
the show. Thank you very kind of you to say,
not quite a building issue. But our bore water has
a high magnesium and calcium content. It has made the
toilet bowl discolored, very brown, very unattractive. Nothing seems to

(20:29):
lift it see l. R. Chemicoadge if even soaking it
with Coca cola. I've seen that proposed. Do you know
of any cleaner that would work? Or is it possible
to empty out the water from the bowl and paint it.
Replacing the bowl will be expensive and a new bowl
will also inevitably just become discolored. Chairs from Mr. A
couple of things on that One is, I guess looking

(20:52):
to solve the problem rather than the evidence of the problem,
which is the bowl discoloring. Wouldn't you look at getting
a filter so that water that is coming in from
your bore is filtered before before it gets to the house.
I would have thought that that would have been us.
Maybe you've already done it and it's still coming through.
But either way, I'm sure you can get filters that

(21:15):
will help with that. So you're actually changing the filtering
out that high magnesium and calcium content the other thing,
and I actually used them the other day. I found
some things like a little cleaning tab, so you just
drop them straight into the bottom of the bowl and
let them fizz away there for a couple of hours
and then flush it. And where the tab sat it

(21:35):
actually did a remarkably good job of cleaning what had
become like yours, a slightly discolored and stained bowl, basically
the bottom of the bend on the toilet bowl. Sorry
to be talking about these things, but it worked. The
challenge was the tablets always ended up in the same spot,
so you had in the end one spot that was

(21:56):
particularly clean and other spots where if it was sort
of slightly on the bend on the curve, they would
slide to the bottom. Gravity being what it is, I
found it really difficult to actually get to that area
or get them to stay on the side, apart from
standing there with a stick and kind of holding it

(22:17):
in place, which I had no intention of doing. So
there they work as well. These little like a tab
that you just drop on looks like a loss so
that you drop on it dissolves and it did a
remarkable job of cleaning the area exactly where it was sitting,
not everywhere else. Unfortunately, in the end, I've given up
on that one and h I ordered a new toilet
on Friday. There you go, so that one's coming out.

(22:40):
The plunger has stopped working properly as well, and there
seemed to be no replacement parts for a I don't know,
roughly twenty year old toilet system, so that one's coming
out as well. Baking soda. Lots of people talking about
baking soda. I do use that quite a lot to
clean my pots and pans. I'm a messy cook, and

(23:00):
if I need to, I'll just leave it soaking overnight
with a bit of baking soda. And there seems to
make a hell of a difference. Oh, eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty. We can talk all things building, construction,
tricks and tips as well. Give us a call now.
Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Last week on the show, we did get into an
interesting area. Someone rang and talked about limbs a land

(23:22):
information memorandum, and I've read any number of them over
the last number of years, and to be fair. I've
always read ones that have been requested and paid for
by somebody else, whether it's a person who's interested in
a property, whether it's a homeowner, whether it's a real

(23:43):
estate agent. And I've been looking at the property and
they've sent me the LIMB. So I wasn't particularly aware
of what the costs were. I was thinking it's a
little bit like the property file, which might cost seven
air eighty bucks, but there's a bit more to it
than that. And so I did a quick search last
week while we were on air and found that councils

(24:04):
have quite varying fees for the preparation and sale, let's say,
of a LIMB report. Given that there are a number
of councils twenty six roughly around the country, I thought
it would be interesting to have a wee look. Anyway,
during the programme last week, it became very obvious, very
quickly that seemingly the most expensive council in the country

(24:27):
for requesting a limb a land information memorandum seem to
be Wellington, at some five hundred and thirty two dollars
fifty Now, unless I'm reading it wrong, and if you're
from Wellington Council and you'd like to challenge this, it
would seem that you are by far the most expensive
across the country. A lot of them were in the

(24:47):
three hundred so dned In three hundred and sixty seven.
I spent a bit of time on this, by the way,
so Wellington Hamilton three hundred and ninety three, dneed In
three hundred and sixty seven, Auckland three hundred and fifty one.
These are the ones that you don't need urgently right.
All of the councils charge you more if you want
it within a couple of days, but if you're prepared

(25:08):
to wait five to seven days. Seemingly these are the
figures that I've used so not for urgent ones. Queenstown
two hundred and thirty, Buller three hundred and sixty seven,
Nelson three hundred and sixty seven, Far North Council three
hundred ninety five, you Plymouth three hundred and twenty, hawks
Bay three sixty five, Gisbon three ninety seven they have

(25:28):
twenty three ninety five, Marlborough four hundred and twenty five,
Southland for ten Tasman two twenty Otago three sixty five cheapest,
by the way, Masterton good On your Masterton three are
one hundred and ninety two dollars for a LIMB report
in Masterton. The outlier, Wellington City Council five hundred and

(25:53):
thirty two dollars fifty for a LIMB report in Wellington.
I leave you to draw your own conclusions. The lines
are open. The number to call. OH eight hundred eighty
ten eighty is the number to call. Now someone has
text through. We could be distracted by this easily. I
suspect Pete, you've achieved remarkably easy toilet whitening by simply

(26:14):
using a big bag of salt and leaving it overnight.
I wouldn't have believed it either, I know, thank you.
Jeff tempted to have a crack at that, given that
I'm about to rip that toilet out, and it doesn't
matter if I stuff it up or not. Salt expensive,

(26:34):
I'm bought salt for a long time, not much of
it anyway, Right, big bag of salt that's going in
the bowl today. I'll let you know how I get
on next week on the show. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty is the number to call. If you've
got a question of a building nature and you know
it's the rules and the regulation stuff as well, and
that's a changing area at the moment. So much is

(26:54):
being talked about in terms of changes to the consenting process,
changes to self certification, changes to the scope and scale
of work that could be done with it out necessarily
requiring a building consent. It's a really really interesting time.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
And we'll go to a break in just a moment.

(27:16):
Then we'll come back with your calls in just a moment.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
What news Talk said be extra right.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
You don't think Helen knows how this game works behind
the scenes, call she does, so I do not think
that her view is irrelevant at all. And actually I
think it is a fault of ours that we as
a country consistently put our former leaders out to pasture
the way that we do. There are hundreds of incredibly
bright business leaders, political leaders, former cabinet ministers, former public

(27:45):
servants just sitting around in their slippers at home, being
completely ignored by us, when they actually have brains full
of amazing information and a huge amount of experience to
draw on, and they should be drawn on to participate
in our national conversations like this one, like whether it
is wise for us to be so cozy with the
States and risk our relationship with China. So actually quite

(28:07):
the opposite of what what what Winston said today. I'd
like to say good on Helen and co. For piping up,
and long may they pipe up and hopefully others will
pipe up too.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
That was a news talk zed by Extra News Talk
zed b.

Speaker 7 (28:24):
You and used talk zib and lines are open. The
number call eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Cameron, A
very good morning to you.

Speaker 10 (28:31):
Good morning they camera. So listen. We're in the White
Shadow and we're farming, although I'm the builder as well,
and we have irony water and we use rain water
for house text from that buck. For their toilet, we
have iron and forty years ago we had a plumber

(28:52):
come to do some souldering and I said to my
list the toilet he said, oh, here, I use this
spurt of salts.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
Ad.

Speaker 10 (29:01):
Yeah, I guess, well that could be a technical name here.
And honestly, we've all got a two liter bottle here
that's forty years old, and we just get a two
inch brush and just gab it around it, wash it
around the toilet within two minutes. It's absolutely clean.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
I'm just trying to think with her. I've got some
of that in the shed as well. It might not
be forty years old, but I'm pretty sure i've got some.
Because brickies use hydrochloric, I said, well, spirit assaults a
lot for cleaning down brickwork. Oh, okay, because it does
quite a good job of getting that semtitious material. So
you know, if they've done bricks and then they've morted
them off and brushed them down, sometimes you get a

(29:41):
flush of mortar onto the bricks, and then often the
clean down is with some spirit of salts. How interesting.

Speaker 10 (29:49):
Yeah, yeah, So don't talk to the help and safety people. Otherwise,
I just get a a two liter ice can container
and just put in maybe five millimeters of fluid into it,
and then just put two inch paintbrush yep, and just

(30:11):
just wash it around and then leave it, leave it
for ten minutes, flash it totally gone.

Speaker 7 (30:18):
All right. I'm happy to run with that. I'll give
that a crack as well. I'll try the salt first,
and then i'll have a go with the spread of salts,
which I guess is kind of the same thing. In
the sense, Hey do you I'm just curious. You know,
for most people with water tanks, would you typically put
in a filter as well, So when you say you've
got high iron.

Speaker 10 (30:38):
No, so we do not.

Speaker 11 (30:40):
YEA.

Speaker 10 (30:41):
Our total water is off the rain water into our tank,
but we have a bore that does the cows as
a fart.

Speaker 12 (30:51):
So I have a lead going to the toilet because
it takes a lot of water. Sure so well, actual fact,
what I do is in the summer time, I put
it onto the more water. In the winter when there's
more rain, then we can go back on the rain
water for the toilet.

Speaker 7 (31:09):
Yeah, and you've obviously got some sort of switch over
valve that allows you to change the source of the
water supply for this for the system, depending on the seasons. Okay, interesting,
much appreciating all the best. Take care. See then spread
assaults is cancer for concrete and should never be used.

(31:34):
Interesting dishwashed tablets, scale x. These are all suggestions for
cleaning toilet bowls. And someone Paul has text through. Everything
is more expensive in Wellington, but they do have nice
bike cracks. I'm told, yes, I know the one.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
That you mean.

Speaker 7 (31:51):
What was that two hundred and forty two hundred and
seventy thousand dollars for the bike crack. Apparently there was
more to it than just the bike crack. It also
included the approaches to and from the bike crack as well. Yeah,
oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty the number
to cour will that will to Linda very briefly, and
then we'll go to the break linder.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
Hello there, Hello, and look, I've got a big problem
pulled by cutlary drawer out last starch. It's remove cutlary
thing and it looks looks as though the other had

(32:30):
been working or broken with something. And we pulled the
drawer out. The whole thing came off at the front
of it. Right now, I'm just wondering, do I need
a joiner, Do it needs a carpenter, or do I
need a handy man?

Speaker 7 (32:50):
I guess Look, someone who's what you want is experience, right.
It could be a carpenter, it could be a joiner,
it could be someone who advertises handyman services. You know,
as long as they're not going to come along and
you know, put a screw through the front of the
drawer into the rails and go here. I fixed it.
So it's it's a little bit delicate, but if it's

(33:11):
simply come apart, chances are it'll be the glue that's
let go, in which case, someone who could take the
drawer out, clean up the edges, apply the right type
of glue, clamp it for a period of time, and
put it back in. That would be easy to do.
The other thing depending on how easy it is for
you to get around and so on, is there are

(33:32):
some community.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
One it's mainly off one of sides too frightened to
try whether pull it off or or you know what
to do. And of course it's a cut through the drawer.
There's probably twice as much.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, they did to get it cluss to day. Yeah, look,
I think that, you know, it's it's a question of
trying to find that the right person. And that might,
like I said, it might be a handy man, might
be a local builder who's a little bit experienced. It's
just a question of phoning around your friends seeing if
you can find someone who is recommended and prepared to

(34:16):
do those little jobs.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:19):
Otherwise, what I was going to suggest is if you
could take it away to get it done. There are
lots of community workshops and men's sheds in some cases
around the country. I know where I live there's a
community workshop called the Clay Store, and it's full of
very experienced with respect slightly older people who are there

(34:42):
who are happy to undertake those little players. So that
might be another option for you as well. I think
these community workshops are just fabulous and they might be
able to help out all the best slender take care
see them by way. Your new stalk zeb coming up
to almost twelve minutes away from seven o'clock, remember new

(35:05):
sport and weather. Remember our expert our painting expert Jay
from Razine will be with us at around seven twenty five,
So if you've got any specific painting questions, text them
through to nine to nine two.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Measure twice God was But maybe call Pete first d
Orgav the resident builder News Talks.

Speaker 9 (35:24):
That'd be.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
Part of the enduring appeal for me of doing the
show is because to be fair, like people often will say,
you know, how do you prepare for the show, And
it's not like I tell you a secret. It's not
like I arrive here two or three hours beforehand trying
to think of things to talk about on the show.
Because that's basically your job, and so I never really

(35:49):
know where the show is going to go unless I've
kind of got an expert on in which case we
can or a particular theme that we might want to discuss.
But generally we go wherever we're lead. Right, So, did
I know that we're going to talk about toilet bowls today?

Speaker 13 (36:03):
No?

Speaker 7 (36:03):
I didn't. Did I know that? I get a text
like this today from someone who says, I use waterproof
sandpaper and the toilet with some rubber gloves. It worked perfectly.
That's remarkable. Someone who's lived on a properly with a
boar had a filter on the pump that we would
clean regularly as it did get very brown. It stopped

(36:24):
any discolouration of the toilet or the shower. Look, I'm
on council supply right on the city, and we installed
a fairly large filter underneath the kitchen tap when we
did the kitchen. That's quite a few years ago now,
and so once a year I pull out that filter,
throw that out and put a new one in. And

(36:46):
it is remarkable looking at the state of that filter
after one year's use. When I forgot one year and
did it after two years, it was even worse obviously,
But yeah, I think putting a filter on is a
really good idea. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
the number Catherine, Good morning, Oh.

Speaker 14 (37:04):
Good morning, Peach, good morning. We have four bay windows
on our nineteen forties wooden bungalow.

Speaker 15 (37:14):
Itself.

Speaker 14 (37:14):
The big main roof was re roofed several years ago,
no issues there, but the bay windows are flat and
they weren't reroofed at the time of the other job
being done, and more recently one of them started to lift.

(37:35):
I even had to call the fiber games because it
was flatting. So the firemen were great. They sort of
drilled it down, nailed it down, and said we needed
to get them reviewed. My reason for bringing you is
that we have had one roof mentioned that he thought
fiberglass would be better to apply to the flat roofs

(38:01):
over they plywood down as the base, as opposed to
two others who've and he was willing. He quoted for
beautanol as well, and the quotes are very similar. And
then the other two have mentioned only beauti and ol,

(38:23):
so we've not heard of the fiberglass as a roof
and product. But he seemed he said that they apply
as the men who apply to are certified, and that
would be a twenty year guarantee warrantee. I just wondered
whether you, oh, maybe it was tena warranty. But anyway,

(38:45):
do you know anything about fiberglass on bay window?

Speaker 7 (38:50):
Look, the part of my response to this is along
heritage lines. Right. So, given the style of the house
and the vintage of the house and the original sort
of building methodology, what they would have had is sounds
like a flat sheet with a standing scene. There'd be a.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Number of little up.

Speaker 14 (39:11):
Now there's copper.

Speaker 7 (39:12):
It's copper. Wow, it's copper.

Speaker 14 (39:14):
Okay, and yeah, but you can't see that it's copper.
The extension that was done only twenty years or fifty
years ago is beautiful, but even that has started to lift.
We do live in a windy part of the country. Yeah,
and a comment was made by this person that when
the house was repainted only a couple of years ago. No, sorry,

(39:37):
regut it. That maybe the positioning of the class on
the cop of it that's lifted. And why you know,
while we had this mini emergency, Yeah, we just placed a.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
Couple of thoughts because we're going to crash into the
news of the minute. So look, from my point of view,
I would probably suggest to you, could you look at
redoing it in copper. Now, copper is expensive, so I
understand why you wouldn't go there. Could you do the
same type of construction or the same type of materials

(40:14):
in let's say, just a color steel sheet, right, So.

Speaker 14 (40:17):
They've looked at that, they said it's really tricky to
get underneath it is the face or something.

Speaker 7 (40:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (40:24):
Yeah, to be.

Speaker 14 (40:25):
Honest, I don't want to be a full of stine,
but I don't think we would be looking it's a
lovely hime.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, look, the fiberglass is
an option in terms of they could redo the substrate.
So they need to put down some ply ideally with
a little bit of fall. Like most of those roofs
have very minimal fall, so if you could, if they
could shape it in such a way that you had
a little bit more fall. The other thing you've got

(40:55):
to be really careful about is how you detail the
drip edge. So it would need perhaps a bit of
stainless steel that you route a slot in and you
put that in to sure that the water drains into
there and yes you could do a fiberglass you could
also the other option is to look at a TPO.
I'll give you more detail after the news top of

(41:15):
the hour, Thanks very much. Catherine back after new Sport and.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Weather doing up the house, storting the garden, asked Pete
for a hand the resident builder with Peter wolfcap call
oh eight News talks'b year with News talks'd.

Speaker 7 (41:31):
We're taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty at around seven twenty five this morning. We've got Jay,
our painting expert from Razine available, so if you've got
any specific painting questions text them through nine two niney two.
And of course in the next hour of the show
at eight thirty, we're into the garden with redclimb passed
as always. Just before the break, we were just chatting

(41:51):
with Catherine about replacing the roofing on a bay window.
So the nineteen forties house, it would have had some
copper in your case, sometimes it's just sheet metal with
a little standing seam and so on. So Cather and
I I think the thing to ask the contractors who
are looking at doing the job is how are they
going to especially if they use like a fiberglass product,

(42:14):
how are they going to create a drip edge at
the end of the ply substrate that will mean that
the water drips off rather than just get sucked back
up underneath there and into the spouting. And then the
other part of this is how are they going to
flash that against the building where it might be close
to the safit or do they need to take a

(42:34):
couple of weatherboards off and do a flashing there that
sort of thing, because just putting fiberglass on isn't the solution. Okay,
it's all those flashing details that you really need to
talk to the builder about and ask questions about.

Speaker 15 (42:50):
All right, thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (42:52):
And this one other product that's out there as well,
it's similar. It's a membrane sheet which is called TPO,
which is as it happens, that's thermoplastic olephin SOPO is
increasingly common, and it's it's also a very good product
for those sorts of surfaces.

Speaker 13 (43:13):
Okay, so I'll write that down, thank you very much.

Speaker 10 (43:18):
Okay, you take care.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
By other Catherine oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.
If you've got a question like this text Pete can
you confirm if a four stud walls four stud walls
holding only a light ceiling are load bearing or is
any wall holding up anything other than itself considered to
be load bearing. The whole point I guess of a
load bearing wall is it's supporting something above it. So,

(43:42):
for example, it might be a petition in the middle
of a room or the middle of a building that
is there because the span of the rafters don't go
from one side of the building to the other. They
stop midway, they land on top of that wall, and
then that wall becomes load bearing. Or obviously, if it's

(44:04):
two story structure, most of downstairs as load bearing, depending
on which direction the joists would run. So look, I
think if you're asking that question, the best person to
ask that question too would be someone on site, either
an architectural designer, architect qualify license building practitioner, structural engineer.

(44:25):
You probably don't need to go that far, but certainly
an experienced LBP should be able to give you an
idea as to whether or not that wall is load bearing.
Relatively simple to answer that question if you're on site,
a little bit tricky to do it via text missing. Oh,

(44:47):
and we're starting to get some questions for Jay, which
is great. So if you've got any specific painting questions.
And I was chatting with Jay during the week and
I said, look, this is the experience that I had
where I went round on a project that I'm supervising
to mark up areas that I wanted the painters to
just do some targeted repairs, right. I felt that it

(45:07):
didn't need a complete repaint, we just needed to address
a couple of areas. And the painter rang me a
day later and said, look, when I've been on site
and I've started taking off those bits of masking tape
that you put on to identify the areas that I
needed to repair, and the paint's coming off with the
masking tape. So what does that tell you about the
quality of the paint system that was on there or

(45:29):
has it reached the end of its serviceable life? Those
sorts of questions we can talk to Jay about at
around seven twenty five this morning. But if you've got
a question right now, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
is that number to call Quilla Decking? What happens if
I don't leach out all the oils before you stay
in it. That's a very good question. We'll put that

(45:50):
to very slightly interesting text that's just come through that
I'm trying to figure out what they're actually talking about.
We'll have a look at that in the moment. Oh
eight eight is the number to call John. Good morning
to you.

Speaker 16 (46:10):
Good morning to your pet.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Hey there John.

Speaker 16 (46:14):
Contractual problem on building. We had a part person under
our house and of course insurance claim, you know, flooring removed,
jib removed whatever in the in the on suites, and
that it was quite extensive work. And then at the
same time we decided, well, we're doing all this work,

(46:36):
let's make some changes to the on suite and a
few other rooms. We've signed the contract with the builder
for the insurance part, but then to do the additional work,
we end up with a we agreed on a sort
of a cost pers ten basis. We end up with

(46:57):
a contract that's a thirty seven page contract to sign
that needs a lawyer to read through it properly. Is
there a contract that's reasonable for people that to get
that without getting lawyers involved in knowing what you're signing?

Speaker 7 (47:14):
I mean, you know, I think a good contract, well
detailed is really important and in fact, it's required by
law if the value of the building work is more
than thirty thousand dollars. So it's good that there's a
contract there. I didn't realize, to be fair, that some
building contracts run to thirty seven pages. That does seem
a bit excessive, and good on you for not just

(47:38):
going to the last page in signing your name and
your life away. For example, like there are standard contracts
that are developed and designed by some of the builders organizations,
So for example New Zealand Certified Builders in ZTCB or
Master Builders will have their own. Sometimes the New Zealand

(48:01):
Institute of Architects would have kind of a standard building
contract that their members might able to offer to clients
to engage with their builders. You can download contracts from
the government website that has so if you go to
building dot gov dot nz and have a bit of
a search around there, there will be some sort of
standard type contracts. But that would mean that you would

(48:24):
then need to prepare a contract and get your builder
to sign it, as opposed to what's happening at the moment,
which is your builder has presented you with a contract
and expecting you to sign it, and I think just
as an aside, it does. And I've heard this from
a number of lawyers that I've talked about these sorts
of things. Just in general, there should be some negotiation.

(48:47):
Just because the contract's presented to you as a homeowner
doesn't mean that you accept all of the terms and conditions.
And you know, if you've got some familiarity with contracts,
then you might feel confident reading through it yourself and
deciding whether it's going to be fair. But if you don't,
then typically you need to get professional advice. But then
you're going to have to pay for that as well.

Speaker 10 (49:07):
Of course.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
Yeah, all right, so there are some standard ones. I mean,
without going into too much detail, the contract that was
offered to you that runs to thirty seven pages, roughly,
what's the value of the work that has been contracted.

Speaker 16 (49:24):
At the moment they've estimated forty three thousand, So okay,
so that need a contract.

Speaker 7 (49:29):
Again, it triggers a requirement, and I think that's a
really good thing. Looking at the contract, does it feel
like it's got the water mark, let's say, of you know,
it's a templated one from a one of those organizations,
or is this something that because you know, as a
as a building owner, you could go to your own
lawyer and go draw me up a standard template for

(49:51):
a construction contract that I can use that that's probably
going to be in their favor, and that's the nature
of it. So you just need to decide whether or
not it's weighted too heavily in favor of the person
offering the contract, or whether you would want to push
back on some issues.

Speaker 16 (50:08):
Okay, yeah, I know there's certainly some issues on one
do you expect on because as I said, there's nothing
on the nothing on the owner's side besides pain and
and it just refers to, for instance, the plans that
I had drawn up, but it doesn't actually say it
doesn't cover item by items, so you don't know execut

(50:30):
each item that's covered. Yeah, they may miss a few
plumbing points, they may miss the electrical points, and all
those will end up adding it, right, Yes, that is sometimes,
so we are hoping on working on that.

Speaker 17 (50:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (50:47):
I guess the challenge with these sorts of things is,
you know, for for jobs that are essentially a cost
plus basis, is determining the scope of that, you know,
like do you one of the way or one of
the things that I've seen is where you sort of
set milestones, so rather than just being time and materials
that you agree that, you know, after one week this

(51:11):
type of work will be completed after two weeks this about,
or we expect to spend this many hours to get
to let's say pre lining stage, so that you're not
in a situation where you have no guide as to
you know, is the builder working efficiently and quickly or
are they taking too long because there's no there's no

(51:33):
incentive for them to achieve any goals because they're just
getting paid for their time on site, you know what
I mean? Yeah, that's it is one of the challenging things.
In fact, I had a long discussion with it made
about this a little while ago. Who's about to start
a new build and knows the builder particularly well, you know,

(51:55):
a good acquaintance sort of thing, and is thinking, well,
maybe we should do it as a time and materials
you know, I trust them to work efficiently and so on,
And yet advice from other people has been no, regardless,
get a fixed price contract, knowing that that will then
they the risk then goes to the builder, and the
builder is going to allow for that risk and their pricing,

(52:16):
and so their pricing might be fractionally higher, but it
takes all of the risk away from the person who's
going to be the owner of that new house. It's
a fascinating area. Okay, good luck, John, It's good. All
the best mots for that input. Take care all the best, Bob.
I think if you want to talk contracts, oh, eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty, we can do that. We're

(52:37):
kind to talk with j our painting expert fairly soon.
So if you've got any specific painting questions, fire them through.
My first one is going to be, hey, look if
I've put a bit of masking tape not super sticky
tape on some exterior paint on some weatherboards, some timber weatherboards,
and I peel that off and it's peled off the paint,
what's that saying about the paint system that's on there?

(52:59):
What sort of warning does that give you as a
as a homeowner potentially about the conditional quality of the
paints them. That's there. We're going to talk to Jay shortly.
You can text through nine to nine two our Razine
painting exp It'll be with us shortly.

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Speaker 7 (54:37):
Oh, j our painting expert from Razine is with us.
A very good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (54:43):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 7 (54:45):
I dare not raise it, but were you at the
game last night? By any shots?

Speaker 11 (54:49):
No, it was watching that.

Speaker 7 (54:51):
Well. That saves you a long trip feeling a bit
grumpy on the way, doesn't it. Yeah, we're talking about
the Warriors. Obviously I didn't pick you as a Crusaders fan. Anyway,
I did watch that game as well. But very good.
That's multitasking. A yeah, yeah, good on you, Jay, our
painting expert. Can I just run through the issue that
I raised with you, and this was I'm not surprised.

(55:14):
I've heard of this as a kind of a test
or a technique to test how good your paint system is,
because you know, for most of us we look at paint.
If it's stuck to the wall, then it's working. So
what I found is that I've got some guys around
to do some just minor touch ups on an exterior,
and I thought, well, to give them an idea of

(55:35):
the scope of the job. I'll go around first with
some normal masking tape, not sort of super sticky duct
tape or anything like that, just some masking tape. Tear
off a little square of that, pop it onto the
weather board, and sort of indicate this is the area
that I want you to address. So painter Carl rings
me the next day and goes, look, I'll tell you
what the job might be a bit bigger than I expected,
because when I took the sticky the masking tape off,

(55:58):
it peeled the paint off with it. What's that telling
me about in general, about the quality of the paint
system that's on these with the boards.

Speaker 11 (56:08):
I suppose two things, with that one being the type
of masking tape used. Obviously there's multiple different masking tapes
with different adhesive strengths. And the everyday sort of normal
masking tape a lot of people have in the house
is designed for single day use, right, so if you

(56:30):
actually leave it on it can longer than that. It
can almost get baked on by the sun and then
becomes very hard to remove. So that might be why
the underlying paint is being pulled off.

Speaker 7 (56:43):
It was there for a day in my case.

Speaker 11 (56:45):
Right, Okay, I'll move on to the next thing. So, yeah,
one of the tests we do is you can put
the masking tape on and then rip it off to
see if the underlying paint comes off or stays there.
Depending on how much of the paint comes off, gives
you an indication of how solid and sound the current

(57:07):
system is. So if you put in masking tape on
a paint system that's been on for a short period
of time or a very long period, and you're trying
to decide whether it's a full repaint or just kind
of touch ups, and the paint's getting pulled off and
it's going back down to the bed timber, or several
coats are coming off, it's kind of an indication that's

(57:29):
probably time to strip everything and start again.

Speaker 7 (57:32):
Okay, so you can't. It is a sort of testing
methodology the adhesion, I guess.

Speaker 11 (57:40):
Yeah, So, I mean that's one way. In other way,
it's called a cross hatch at desion test where you
actually make a grid in the coding with a knife
and then you put the tape on. Then you rip
it off and see see how much the coding stays
or see how much the coding gets removed.

Speaker 7 (57:58):
Right, Okay, and when you say do a crossheach like
four or five millimeters apart or larger.

Speaker 11 (58:07):
Well, so you're just making a grid with a knife, okay,
like tic tac toe, kind of slightly closer together than that.
And then you put your tape on and then rip
it off, and then sometimes the paint sound and you're
you're kind of all good just to fix up that
area and recope, and sometimes a lot of the coatings

(58:29):
come off and you're back down to bed timber or
jip board and you're kind of looking at a much
bigger job.

Speaker 7 (58:35):
Okay, right, all right, it's an interesting little methodology. Well,
it's good amongst a couple of ticks here. First one
up a question for Jay, fifty year old Cedar with
the board house. The previous owner had painted the boards.
We've then repainted a number of times, but it's bubbled
every time, even where the boards are sheltered from the weather.

(58:57):
Is there a solution?

Speaker 11 (59:01):
So, I think last time I was on it was
questioned about Cedar and so if again, like we're just
talking about if it's bubbling up and going back down
to the bear substrate. The chances are one of those
additional Either the original primer is just come to the
end of its life, which means you're going to have
to strip everything right. The other thing with cedar is

(59:26):
a lot of the time it's stained, and then when
people don't want to keep up with the maintenance of
the same, they decide to paint, and if they don't
do the preparation prime properly, you can end up with
issues down the line with the paint not being compatible
adhering to the stain that's in the timber, and then
you can get bubbles and blisters. But in this case,

(59:49):
it's been painted multiple times and it's all sort of
bubbling up. It's really where when you cut one of
those bubbles open where it's losing its adherence, is it
back to their timber or is it back to one
of the underlying coatings of paint. But realistically you need
to strip back to wherever it's it's losing its adherence

(01:00:12):
and start start again.

Speaker 7 (01:00:14):
And it's that classic thing of you know, applying a
code of paint to a code of paint that's going
to fail won't stop that failure. It just means that
that lower level is going to peel off, and that's
the issue.

Speaker 11 (01:00:27):
Yeah, putting another code of paint over isn't going to help.

Speaker 7 (01:00:30):
Yeah, okay, brilliant. Right. We have some dressed H four
posts that support a roof that extends over some of
the external deck. They've never had a sealer on it.
What prep and clear seiler or similar would you recommend?
So H four posts, so they're tenalize their treatment and

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they want to keep them clear.

Speaker 11 (01:00:55):
The problem with clears on exteriors is there's no UV
blockers in that so any clear you kind of put
on is likely to either not last very long or
timber still gets damaged by the UV and then the
coding breaks down because the timber's breaking down. I mean,
if you want to keep it as clear as possible,

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there's stains like the Razine Woodsman, there's a natural color.
It looks like it's just natural timber, but at least
there's some tintin net. So there's some new V blockers. Well,
so we've got the new Woodsman feder natural wood oil.
There's another option as well, but obviously, like I said,

(01:01:38):
they would stain. There is maintenance involved in having to
restain probably every couple of summers and I.

Speaker 7 (01:01:46):
Guess with the maintenance rather than let it get to
the point where the previous coat has degraded. If it's
if sort of you're a little bit front footing it
and you go, actually, I know that I've got to
do it, So after maybe two summers, I'll give it
a wash and it's much easier to recode, would I
be right now?

Speaker 11 (01:02:06):
Yeah, if you keep on top of it, you sort
of our specification system, it's a one one coat maintenance.

Speaker 9 (01:02:14):
Cope.

Speaker 11 (01:02:14):
Yes, if it's really kind of degraded on the north side,
you're probably better off doing two. But yeah, if you
keep on top of it, it's a lot easier than
I think last time. The house haven't been staying for
thirty years, right, you're sort of the timber is going
to be in much better condition. You're going to protect
it for a whole lot longer, and it's going to
last a whole lot longer if you if you let

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it go and don't do anything, then everything's going to
get degraded and not look as good.

Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
Yeah. Actually, just talking about cedar. Here we go again,
just wondering when is the best time of year to
stain the cedar. So what do you in terms of
the right weather conditions for exterior staining. Now that we've
had some decent rain and the timber is probably a
little bit more saturated, would you wait for a while?

Speaker 11 (01:03:05):
Yeah, it's the same is painting, really, but obviously you
want the moisture content to be less than I think
it's eighteen percent, and you can buy moisture meters in
your local hardware stores. Are not overly expensive, but it's
it's the conditions when you're doing it. You want some airflow,

(01:03:26):
you want some warmth there. We always say like if
you close aren't going to dry on your washing line,
your paint is not going to dry either. So I mean,
if you're doing it, like I'm looking at the window
at the moment, it looks like it could be a
pretty still cold day, but it's still going to be
funny to expect to if it's not too saturated, you

(01:03:51):
could potentially stain today, but or paint today.

Speaker 9 (01:03:55):
But you're.

Speaker 11 (01:03:57):
Think about how long it's going to dry once you finish.
I go too late in the day. You've got to
give everything plenty of time to dry before the temperature
drops again. And the due point picks.

Speaker 7 (01:04:08):
Yeah, fantastic Rightio nineteen eighty six fiber cement board house.
So fiber smet with the boards. They want to repaint
the paints in reasonable condition? Do I need a primer
before repainting? So how would you go about deciding on
that surface what condition the paints then in whether or
not you need to prime or can you just top coat.

Speaker 11 (01:04:32):
If it's a critic paint on there and it's in
relatively good condition, there's going to be some breakdown i'd
imagine in some areas, So you'd be spot priming those
areas with razine shore seal because it's yeah, and shure
seal penetrates in and helps bind things back together and
just gives you a sturdy surface to then recope.

Speaker 7 (01:04:55):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (01:04:56):
And then on top of that, if it's all all
sort of crytic paint, which i'd imagine it would be,
you'd be looking at lumbersider son X or X two hundred.
The main thing I suppose I'd just be given it
a really good clean down first to remove any surface
contaminants on that right, the moss and mulkill first, yep.

(01:05:18):
And then it was in paint prep and.

Speaker 7 (01:05:19):
Housewater, yeah, and that's really critical if for any exterior
paint or repainting is to do a proper chemical clean beforehand.

Speaker 11 (01:05:30):
Yes, you really want to remove as much surface contamination
as possible. If you're close to the water as well,
which the space that most of New Zealand is, especially
as windblown salts can travel in land from twenty five kilometers.
You can also end up having to clean down between coats, right,
and you don't get any contamination between your layers because

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all of that can lead to bubbles and blisters.

Speaker 7 (01:05:55):
I mean you can understand what you can imagine a
number of people would skip that step, you know, like
I've started painting, I'm just going to carry on to
the end. But what you're saying is that potentially overnight
or over a weekend for example, you'll get those windblow
and salts back on the surface and then you're just
encapsulating those new paint system. It's going to cause failure,

(01:06:18):
especially with roofs.

Speaker 13 (01:06:20):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:06:20):
And the other one I've seen it with is actually pollen.
Oh well ye, mainly in the summer between staining and
the pollen build up was so great that it caused
issues with the stain being able to penetrate into the timber.

Speaker 7 (01:06:34):
Oh interesting, I'll tell you what. We've got a couple
of more texts, but just an observation, and again it's
one of those things that you and I have chatted
about over the years. The job that I'm sort of
supervising at the moment is there's some remedial work and
in one area we had to replace a couple of
weatherboards right minor repairs, probably six or eight meters of
weather board, so new weather board, pre primed got installed.

(01:06:56):
And because of the weather conditions, I knit back the
other day because it was dry and thought, right, I'll
get a coat of primer on there. I was amazed
at how I just with a one twenty grit sandpaper
rubbed down the surface of those new weather boards with
a primer code on them, and didn't take much for
the primer to come off like it seemed quite chalky.

(01:07:19):
And that's no criticism of the primer or the system
or the weatherboards. It just emphasized to me that in
most cases, if you've got a pre primed board, you
need to give it a light stand and do another primer,
which is exactly what I did on this job.

Speaker 11 (01:07:36):
A lot of those pre primed. A lot of the
pre prime timber. It's just a transportation primer to help
protect the timber during transport. So when it comes to
actually painting, like you say, you give it a slight
rub with sandpaper and it pretty much turns to dust,
so you really need to give it a sand and
prime with a proper painting primer. Yes, the boards will

(01:07:58):
all have stickers as well, as far as I'm aware,
on the back with information around the primer or what needed.
So read the information before you start as well. Don't
just think this pre prime board so I can just
go straight on with the paint.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
Were the top coats, Yeah, yeah, excellently. Know, especially if
you're doing a new build or something like that, you
really got to stay on top of the contractors to
make sure they do exactly that.

Speaker 11 (01:08:23):
And the priming is the anchor cooat of the system,
so you want it to be.

Speaker 7 (01:08:26):
The strip there. Yeah, absolutely right, galv and I still
Garretts built maybe sometime in the eighties. The current painter's chipped.
There's a little bit of rust that's got a few
little paint bubbles and places. The best way to deal
with the bubbles before painting.

Speaker 11 (01:08:43):
There's only a little bit of rust, and that was
built in the eighties.

Speaker 7 (01:08:45):
It's going well.

Speaker 11 (01:08:52):
The bubbles will need removing, so you can usually sort
of cut those out with a knife and you just
need to feather back the edges that are left just
a smooth you want to remove any sharp edges. Spot
prime many bearer areas with's just changed the name Razine
armor X GP metal Primer. It's a bit of a mouthful,

(01:09:16):
and then you can go over the top with your
top coat system for galvanized sort of sheds. I've seen
Razine Summit Roof used the Sonics for a semi gloss
FINESI or lumbersider.

Speaker 7 (01:09:31):
Okay, just Razine GP x.

Speaker 11 (01:09:35):
P armor Rex Metal Primer. Armor X is the new range,
so a lot of the metal codings have gone into
this armor Rex range and then the name of the
product afterwards.

Speaker 7 (01:09:47):
Right, yeah, I am writing that down because we also
need to scrape back the corner soakas that have got
a little bit of rest on them, so I just
want to address that on this particular build at the
same time.

Speaker 11 (01:09:58):
Other thing, though, the soakas often don't keep primed primer
and just painted with the top coat on the weather
and then it doesn't stick properly or here properly, and
that's one of the areas that breaks down quite commonly.
So yeah, if you've got those galvanized soakas or whatever
mate soakas, you've got to make sure you prime them

(01:10:19):
with the appropriate primer.

Speaker 7 (01:10:20):
Yeah, and the last takes is one of those classics
about I've got a dig that's stained that needs some maintenance.
Can I change and put an oil on it? I
like the oil look rather than the stain. But that's
about compatibility, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:10:34):
Yeah, it's just making sure that whatever stain you're changing
to is compatible with the stain that's on there.

Speaker 18 (01:10:41):
Yes, if it's been.

Speaker 11 (01:10:43):
Between the razinm Woodsman water Bourne or the solvent born oil,
you can change if it's well weathered. But there's plenty
of depth stains out there that all sit on the
surface or they're sort of a mineral oil is they're
not compatible with other stains. So best device is to

(01:11:04):
try and get a test pot of whatever thing you're
changing to and just try to test there in an
inconspicuous area if you can, just give it a couple
of days, so if it dries, I mean, if it's
still kind of sat on the surface or tacky, chances
are it's not compatible with what's on there and you
might need to stick with the original stain or see

(01:11:25):
about painting.

Speaker 7 (01:11:26):
Yeah, brilliant, appreciate that as always fantastic advice.

Speaker 9 (01:11:31):
Jay.

Speaker 7 (01:11:31):
Enjoy your last day of long weekend and we'll catch
up again soon. All the very about good take care.
See there that's Jay, our painting expert from Razine. If
you want to know more, make sure you talk to
the experts who are in the stores as well at
your local color shop. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
We're taking your building questions. Actually there's one more paint

(01:11:51):
question that I might have a crack at myself. We'll
do that after the break. But if you've got a
question of a building nature, you should call me now.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
to call?

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor give the right advice from peautiful.
Have the resident builder on News Talk sab you.

Speaker 7 (01:12:09):
And New Talk CB coming up seventeen months away from
eight o'clock. Mike, A very good morning.

Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
Yeah baby, Hey, I text you yesterday about that endurance
or like last.

Speaker 7 (01:12:20):
Week in Durance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
I can't find it anyway because you had the guy
on we didn't need to Yeah, and I can't and
it was on the north shore here Glenfield.

Speaker 9 (01:12:30):
I think I can't find that product anywhere and I
can't find anything about.

Speaker 7 (01:12:33):
It Polymer Technologies, O Polymer. I'll tell you what. I'll
go and dig it out and get the information for you.
So in this instance where I used it for was
actually it was a little bit like the Catherine before
the news. So you know often for houses in nineteen forties,

(01:12:57):
nineteen fifties, even nineteen sixties, you know that they had
like a standing scene or a flat almost flat roof
with a met cladding over the top of it, with
a standing seam. That was a really easy way of
making water tight junctions. And then obviously that decays after
a period of time. So where I used it, it
was just purely to put down an extra layer to

(01:13:19):
give me some extra time, and it seems to have
done exactly that. With all the weather we've had, I
haven't had any extent and that's similar to what you
might want to do exactly the same.

Speaker 9 (01:13:30):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:13:31):
I'll tell you what, Just go back to lock my producer,
leave your number and I'll get some details to you.
Thank you very all. This might take care. Oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Hello in it.

Speaker 13 (01:13:44):
Oh, good morning, Pete.

Speaker 7 (01:13:46):
Good indeed, this is a lovely morning.

Speaker 13 (01:13:50):
We've got a sixties type how and we've got tone
and through flooring. Yes, and it's speaking and we won't recarput.
And i'd like to get rid of that creaking.

Speaker 10 (01:14:04):
If it's at all possible.

Speaker 13 (01:14:05):
Do you know anything we could do?

Speaker 7 (01:14:09):
Sometimes the creaking is not from where you expected to
come from, funnily enough. So for example, sometimes squeaking that
you hear on a floor comes from the floor joists
rather than from the flooring. Not that common, but it
can happen. Most of the time it is from the floorboards.
So what type of floorboards are they?

Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:14:34):
Probably tar war okay.

Speaker 7 (01:14:37):
Yep, and so about sort of three inches wide something
like that, Oh yeah, seventy five millimeters something like that.
One thing you can do is just get the either
the flooring guys or someone could come in and just
punch the existing nails down and so they kind of

(01:14:57):
bite again. So just with a nail punch. You just
go around punch the nails down where the squeaks are.
That might solve it. If you're happy to sort of
sacrifice the boards. You could go through with some flooring
screws and put a flooring screw into those areas where
you're getting a bit of squeaking, just to lock the

(01:15:18):
floor down. Some people have even put I've heard this,
I haven't tried it myself, talcum powder over the floor.
And what that does is it goes into the gap
between the in the tongue and groove and just kind
of basically lubricates the area basically right, so you don't

(01:15:40):
get that squeaking sound. I've heard that that works. Okay,
you could try that as well. You could do that,
you know, like nail punch the nails down, put some
screws down if you want to. The reason I'm a
bit reluctant around putting screws down is that maybe sometime
in the future someone's going to lift the carpet and
decide that they want to have an exposed himber floor,

(01:16:02):
and it would be a little bit heartbreaking when they
did that. They found that some had gone through and
machine gunned down a whole lot of screws and kind
of ruined the visual impact of the floor by doing that.
So but hey, look it's your house, in which case
do what you need to do.

Speaker 17 (01:16:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Yeah, but you can screw them down.

Speaker 13 (01:16:24):
Yeah, super right, no trouble at all.

Speaker 7 (01:16:28):
You enjoy your day and enjoy the new carpet. Absolutely Rightio,
nice to talk to you, and you have a great day.
We'll take a short break. We'll talk to Craig straight
after the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Break, helping you get those DIY projects done right.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
The resident builder with Peta Wolf Care call you talk
Zy this morning.

Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
It's time to shine a bit of a light on jaframe.
So it's a new Zealand made LVL framing product that's strong,
straight and one hundred percent sustainable. So joining us this
morning is Simon Barber Trusts plant Manager. It might attend
MEGA in Graymouth to share some experience of using the
product and how it's performing for the builders. So Simon,

(01:17:10):
thanks very much for joining us. I've seen a few
builders try jframe for the first time. What sort of
feedback are you getting from your team?

Speaker 17 (01:17:19):
Generally, once they try it the first time, they will
usually stick to it.

Speaker 7 (01:17:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:17:25):
Yeah, We've got a lot of builders that won't build
with anything else.

Speaker 7 (01:17:28):
To be honest, I think lots of people try it,
they want to stick with it. And in terms of
you know, from a manufacturing point of view, how does
the jframe enhance what you're doing in the factory.

Speaker 17 (01:17:40):
It allows us to put out a higher quality product.
We're not checking through the bent timber or defects that
are slipping in the dry frame these days. And yeah,
it just makes us a lot more efficient and accurate.

Speaker 7 (01:17:56):
And are there some standout projects where you've used the
jframe and it's made a real difference.

Speaker 17 (01:18:01):
Yeah, Mainly the larger architectural builds straighter for some of
those larger raking walls, and the sheer volume of timber
in there means less straightening for the builders, so they
save a lot of time and money.

Speaker 7 (01:18:18):
And so in terms of challenges from swapping for conventional
stick framing through to the jframe, what's the biggest issue
you think for the guys for.

Speaker 17 (01:18:28):
A standard house, I'd say nothing. It's just if you, yeah,
the heavier any of the heavier frames, big raking ones. Yeah,
you just might think about your manpower or if you're
using a HIREB or something because it is a little
bit heavier, but I guess you get that whether you're

(01:18:50):
using l VL or pine anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:18:52):
Yeah, absolutely so from your perspective, Jframe codemark reduced time
and is that a money saving.

Speaker 17 (01:19:02):
Yeah, definitely, builders not having to straightened as much, just
above the odd Noburn block. And for us, yeah, we
can sometimes pass it on to the customer just because
of the amount with pre cut studs that Jay Frame offer,
and we're saving a lot of time in the factory

(01:19:24):
as well, just on.

Speaker 7 (01:19:26):
The pre cut so you can order links to suit
the type of walls that you're building.

Speaker 17 (01:19:31):
Yep, they're pretty good range. Off the top of my head,
it's usually your twenty three thirties and thirties that were
usually used, but then they have yeah, everything in between
for those twenty six oh five walls and bits and pieces.

Speaker 7 (01:19:51):
For a pre cut pre nail yard, that's got to
be a huge advantage.

Speaker 17 (01:19:55):
Yeah, definitely when you when you're a small yard, not
having the pre cut studs is a big saving.

Speaker 7 (01:20:02):
It's a big saving, all right. We'll look folks, if
you're in the Graymouth theory and you're looking to build
or renovate and you check out the friendly team at
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need a quality start. Check out Jframe at Janel dot
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(01:20:24):
the bee, quick call from you, Craig before the break.
How are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:20:28):
Good, thank you. I'm just got a front door issue.
Was a new door's only eleven months old exterior door.
I've sprayed it, painted and put the new lock on it.

Speaker 13 (01:20:38):
Hang.

Speaker 15 (01:20:38):
It was beautiful until about about a month ago, and
it was really hard to close, and it was binding.
You'll put a straightage on it looking down it from
the top and it's a bog of about ten mile
in the middle.

Speaker 7 (01:20:50):
Ouch.

Speaker 15 (01:20:52):
It was a reputable company bought luckily, and I was
told once I rang them up and says, I know
in all that paint at the dark color, and that's.

Speaker 10 (01:21:03):
So right.

Speaker 15 (01:21:03):
It's only happening now because the farm's gone a lot
of love to the north that the son's getting on
the door and it's bowing and binding when I have
to boostally have to slam it to make it latch.
What I was thinking of doing is taking the door
off and taking it to a wood company and getting
them to drill maybe a twenty or twenty five mil
bole through the whole width of the door and put
maybe a cabin rod of and cluid in it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:26):
From Bowie, Yes, it wants to be.

Speaker 15 (01:21:31):
I can't think of any other suggestion than painted what
My wife doesn't want it white.

Speaker 7 (01:21:37):
Sometimes you just can't mark around with physics, right, so
you know nature will do what nature will do. The
other thing is, given that we've just had our Rasine
guy on. When you painted it black, did you use
the cool color technology?

Speaker 15 (01:21:55):
Yeah, no, it's not black as iron sandsor it's the
dark ground.

Speaker 7 (01:21:58):
But either way, I just I tell you what if
straightening the door might not be that easy to be
blunt but worth a try. But certainly if you do
want to paint dark colors onto timber, you want to
have a look at some of that Razine cool colours
technology as well. That'll that will reduce the amount of
heat absorption and that will stop the door potentially from boeing.

(01:22:21):
So check that out. I actually wonder where the should
just buy a.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
New door measure twice God was but maybe called Pete
first video Wolfgaf the Resident Builder News Talks Byal.

Speaker 7 (01:22:32):
News Talks thed B. We're talking all things building and
construction through to about eight thirty. Then we'll jump into
the garden with Recline Pass from eight thirty this morning.
So if you've got a gardening or entomological question, we
can tune into that from eight to thirty. But right
now we're talking building construction, a waterproofing maintenance. We had
a long discussion about what's the most effective solution for

(01:22:54):
cleaning a slightly you know, grubby discolored toilet bowl. So
I've got a couple of DIY solutions this for a
toilet that I'm going to rip out this week, but
I'll have a crack anyway at that. And we talked
a little bit about regulation, and actually just before the
news as well, Mike I mentioned a product that I've
recently used as a waterproofing compound called Injuris. The way

(01:23:18):
to get a hold of that mic is actually best
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So that'll get you through the shield coat eight hundred
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Wireral Valley. If you need to pop in there and
have a look at it as well, so that helps.
COUDA A very good morning to you, Wennie.

Speaker 9 (01:23:39):
How are you, pet?

Speaker 7 (01:23:40):
I'm very well and yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
Good.

Speaker 19 (01:23:43):
Thank you good. I just a problem that I wiped
through would have a solution for I'm looking at drilling
a one hundred and seventeen mile or above window lent.

Speaker 13 (01:23:59):
The house is.

Speaker 19 (01:24:00):
Ninien next to built and it's a double story with
I think you to break. So I called in a
coll drilling guy to do the job, but she was
afraid that if you drilled then you would also you
would weaken the strength of the house. Yes, so I

(01:24:21):
just wanted to find out whether is it possible to
do to actually put a war there or no, it's
not possible. So the reason why I want to put
a war is I want to install a smart warm,
a smart vent tempera yeap, just to reachuse the consentation
because you don't have a seiling space.

Speaker 7 (01:24:41):
Sure, sure, I mean I think he's right to be
cautious around drilling a large hole through an area directly
above the window because typically that's where the lintel is,
and you know, if you drilled a twenty mil hole
through that's not a problem. But drilling something like a
one sixty diameter is what you want to.

Speaker 19 (01:25:02):
Do, now, one one one one.

Speaker 7 (01:25:05):
One seven right? Either way, if you were to let's
say there's a lintel there, and like, what's the span
of the window opening? How wide's the window?

Speaker 19 (01:25:16):
Uh, it's quite a two meters Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:25:19):
So it'll be a decent sized lintel. If you were
to drill through there, you know, you would undermine or
you would you would basically weaken the strength of the lintel.
So I think good on the person that you asked saying, look,
I'm going to suggest that we don't drill a whole
through that because it will weaken it. Is there an
opportunity for example, Like, so it's if you're getting a cordriller.

(01:25:42):
Is it a brick exterior and timber frame construction on
the inside or is it all masonry? What's the actual
construction of the building.

Speaker 19 (01:25:51):
So there's this looks like there's a brick on the
outside and then timber framing inside.

Speaker 7 (01:25:58):
Okay, So if you were able to go you know,
roughly one hundred and fifty millimeters from the edge of
the window and below the where the line of the
top plate is you'll find that you're actually going through
a void there. So if you were to go through
that area, you're not going to hit a stud, you're
not going to hit the top plate, and you're certainly

(01:26:20):
not going to hit the lintel. So I just think
if you can adjust where you want to put that
penetration through, you'll be able to find somewhere in a
timber frame construction that you could go through what is
effectively avoid through the brickwork on the outside and put
the vent in without hitting anything that's doing some work. Okay, Yeah,

(01:26:42):
so a good good call on the part of the
contractor not to draw a great big hole through there.

Speaker 9 (01:26:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:26:49):
And then maybe another question is because from from the
top of the window to roughly the bottom of the
top floor, that's about four hundred mil Yes, that's all
the little reebar or or be.

Speaker 7 (01:27:07):
So again, I would really stay away from drilling above
the window because you know that's going to be an
area where if you've got, for example, brick cladding on
the outside, you'll have a steel plate or an angle

(01:27:27):
line that will support the brickwork above the window, so
that will be fixed into a timber lintel. You don't
want to drill anything through that at all. So I
think I would look for those areas that are outside
the framing. You know, it might in this instance here,
if you're unsure about where the structural timber is in
the wall, you could get someone to do like a

(01:27:49):
thermal scan and that will identify where the top plate
is where the studs happen to be, and then you
could identify an area that doesn't have structural timber and
get your penetration out through there.

Speaker 19 (01:28:02):
Okay, Actually it's kind of concrete to find the.

Speaker 7 (01:28:08):
If it's timber framed with a brick exterior, then you're
really focusing on where the timber is. The concrete as
long as it's or the masonry exterior, as long as
it's not above the window. It will deal with one
hundred and seventeen mil hole going through it. Okay, it's
the structure of the building that we want to protect. Yes, okay,

(01:28:29):
thank you, very good luck, all right, all the best
and good only for looking at it. Installing some vents.
That's a really good idea. The smart vent system is
a really good one. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number to call. Stephen, Good morning.

Speaker 18 (01:28:42):
Yeah, good morning for you. I build a house in
windy Wellington forty years ago using plywood as the exterior,
and I visited the house recently and it's as sound
as it was when we built it. I'm looking to
build another house in not such a windy area, but

(01:29:04):
I want to use the plywood again on the out
And what we did last time was we we had
the ply vertically and we we left about a ten
mil gap and we filled that gap with silicon and
then we put up dressed one side batten down the joint. Yes,

(01:29:27):
we didn't use we didn't use grooves in that pattern,
and we used copper boat And I was right around
the house and as I say, it sounds anything, but
now would we have to put a couple of grooves
in that batteren ye when we put it over the joint?

Speaker 7 (01:29:45):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:29:47):
Okay? Is that enough with the silicon down the middle
and the two grooves in the in the baten? Is
that sufficient?

Speaker 7 (01:29:54):
Yeah? Chances are, If chances are, you'll need to put
the whole thing on a cavity. Right, So, if you're
building you and it's timber frame, chance it'll be timber
frame building wrap cavity batton and then your plywood she
thing over the top of that, so you won't be
doing direct fixed. Most likely there might be a requirement

(01:30:17):
to BackFlash that joint, but possibly not if it's on
a cavity, in which case you could just you know,
leave a bit of an expansion gap because you will
get movement in the plywood. From my experience, there's no
actual requirement to seal that gap or to fill that gap,

(01:30:37):
but I don't see any harm in doing it. If
you used a flexible seilant through there, and then that
cover baton would have weather grooves in it, and that
just stops any moisture that might creep in, or as
it's draining down the baton from sort of getting underneath
the baton and then being able to get to the joint,
it'll hit that little capillary groove in there and drain

(01:31:00):
down from there. So yes, the groove in the baton
is really.

Speaker 18 (01:31:03):
Important, right, all right, that's fine, that's good. Yeah, thanks
very much for that, my.

Speaker 7 (01:31:10):
Pleasure and good luck with the new build all the
very best. Take care thing. It has just gone fifteen
minutes after eight oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is done.
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Speaker 9 (01:32:39):
Oh, good morning, Pete. Basically you have got done very good. Hey.
I've got the chap who built our house some years
ago did a good job of everything. It just took
an unorthodox approach in one thing. And they's got the
driveway sunk covers he built out of I suppose you

(01:33:00):
call it sex botos that measures more about five x
two timber. So he's got three places, got a sump
with a wooden frame around it, and they measure more
or less seven fifty five forty rectangle right, and he's
got bits of five x two running cross ways, so

(01:33:23):
you know, the shorter the shorter across the shorter dimension,
all like heaps and nails nailed in and so they
last for so many years and it goes so off
fro he replace it. As we were buying the place
at saw him knocking the new one to give it.
It's rather intriguing because you know, like one of them,
it's right in the middle of the driveway and you
can't get a wheel onto it if you tried, unless

(01:33:45):
you had a motorcyclist. But another one is right by
in front of a car port entrance, and you have
to get a wheel over it, and you started to sag.
And in the meantime, I've stuck a bit of heavy
ply over it, and I'm going to make a new one,
and I have to me I had three options. I
thought I'd bounce off you. You might have a smarter idea,

(01:34:08):
but I'd looked commercially and I couldn't because they're unusual
size and have also their purpose built, you know, to
fit that. You know you mentioned the hole that they
slot into is not exactly a rectangle and it's exactly level,
et cetera. And I figured, if I get them constructed
out of steel, it'll cost a lot of dough and

(01:34:30):
it would be a bit of a lure of one
of these scrap metal these. That's probably that's a lesser.
But what I thought of was I was going to
put a try and cut a long story short. I
was thinking of putting a replacing the wooden frame with
new tan timber, and I was going to run cut

(01:34:52):
get galve reinforcing rod twenty mire diameter get it hot,
dip galvanized and cut off just you know, basically go
across the short dimensions of five five to five forty
long and make the spacing suchs that I've got at
least like three rods supporting any wheel at any one time.
And I used AI to do the quick colts. Wait

(01:35:17):
the factors would be okay on that, And I thought
that I was thinking with a something like that, They've
got a grate on it, but basically the only water
that ever goes down the grate is what falls directly
from the sky. Like the water doesn't pour down the
driveway and go into the grade as such. It's basically
just a sum that other drains go into, and that

(01:35:39):
comes along and it drains another and it catches silk,
which I've got to dredge out from time to time. Right,
And I was thinking, why does it have to be
a great deal. I don't think it's an explosive environment.
There is no it's not used for water ingress. And
so I was thinking I could put a if I
put my rods in so sitting slightly down and put
a heavy grade of good quality ply or something like

(01:36:02):
that over the top of it, and essentially cap off
that hole, but it would have flow around the edges
of it.

Speaker 7 (01:36:10):
I have to say there's a rather unusual circumstances that
ye maybe one, but three just seems like but excessive.
So the sump is not there as a catch pit
to collect surface water.

Speaker 9 (01:36:26):
No, No, there's one of them which is pretty well
out of the way and it has got drainage channels
that run along the edge below a retaining wall and
it goes and it goes in the side of it.
There's another one up the driveway and it does have
to a groove running from each side of the driveway
a channel that runs into it. But I've been here

(01:36:47):
for nearly twenty years and they've never seen. It's a
great place for weeds to grow and and you know
like it. And it's just the shape six everything. We're
on a steep section and everything. We don't have a
flooding assue or anything, and a surface water or as
sue or anything. It tends to, you know, only when
we've had New Auckland storms falling it round now. But

(01:37:10):
it's just I've been out there with you know, rain
coat and brolly and all the sort of thing, watching
and you just don't get it's not it doesn't catch.

Speaker 7 (01:37:17):
So in terms of how it's constructed within the opening,
is there like a lip or a rebait that that
the lid sits in.

Speaker 9 (01:37:25):
Yeah, it's. It's the frame. So that basically the women
five x two or six x two timber frame. So
as you imagine there's a rough rectangle there and the
if you call it like bars running across, they are
actually made from five x two, all nailed in the
ends and dropped in there, and it's and it's okay, yeah,

(01:37:48):
it's very people tend to know anything about.

Speaker 7 (01:37:52):
I have to say, look at My inclination would be
to go for, you know, a slightly more permanent solution.
That would involve, let's say, some checker plate and a
bit of reinforcing that you could have made by a
local engineer. Get it hot to galvanized, you put it
in will it Will it stay there on its own?
Or does it need some fixings to hold it in place?

Speaker 9 (01:38:14):
It'll just it'll just sit there. The same thing with
checker plays. It's I find checker plate an engineer by trade,
but I find it own checker plated, but slippery. But
it's also when you run over.

Speaker 7 (01:38:29):
Okay, what about The other option would be, could you
essentially take a mold of the opening that you've got
and cast a concrete lid that you could then leave
her into place?

Speaker 9 (01:38:47):
Yes, yes, I could.

Speaker 7 (01:38:50):
You know, if if you've got I have to think.

Speaker 9 (01:38:52):
About how well do there's a cast home cast concrete
lid support weight right in this way to a vehicle
right in the center.

Speaker 7 (01:39:00):
Yes, you would need to consider that, but you know,
if you put some reinforcing in it, and if was
able to be made deep enough, I suppose the other
option would be, could you cut the area out and
get a conventional manhole lid like a steel ring with
a circular lid that you could put in it's But
then chances are you've got to do quite a lot

(01:39:22):
of repair to the concrete either side of it as well.

Speaker 9 (01:39:26):
Yeah, it's it's quite a nice concrete down the drive
and then sort of up.

Speaker 7 (01:39:33):
You don't want to go patching that up a little
not bracks.

Speaker 9 (01:39:36):
But like bricks along the edge, and it's got I'm
with you, it's even got flipped opside different stone chip
and oxide. But no, that's that's actually quite a good thought.
I'm gonna that's definitely one.

Speaker 7 (01:39:49):
I mean, if you can work out the strength of
it right so that it will support a vehicle driving
over it, and you were able to do it in concrete,
obviously you need to cast in some lifting eyes or
something like that, or some provision if you needed to
get in there. And as you say, you need to
get in there from time to time to clean out
the silt. I mean, you know that's why they're there,

(01:40:11):
and people remarkably seem to forget that part that you
know they're there to collect the silt, and when they're
full of silt, they don't work anymore. Right, And I
was standing outside one property where there was vegetation growing
out of the catch pit, right that had so much
silt and it turned into a garden. And I'm looking
at that, going, well, there's a reason that you've got

(01:40:32):
a bit of flooding. I'm sure you're not in that situation.
So look, I would you know, I get what you're
saying about the steel lid. If it's checker plate, it
can get a bit slippery. I guess you could try
and treat that in some way or coat it with
something with some grit in it. But otherwise if you
could make a mold of it effectively and cast in

(01:40:53):
a concrete lid, as long as you've got the strength right,
that might be an option. Good luck with all of that, mate,
sounds like great project. All right, all the best are
and take care. Just another couple of techs have come
through following on from Koda's comment about you know, wanting
to drill a reasonable large, reasonably large hole through the
exterior cladding one hundred and seventeen mil to get some

(01:41:16):
ducting through in this case for some venting. But often
we're seeing a similar thing where people are retrofitting let's say,
heat pumps to existing buildings and people will often go, oh, look,
let's put the heat pump unit above the window, and
inadvertently or with lack of due care and attention, people

(01:41:37):
will drill through the lintel right undermining the strength of
the lintel. So a couple of people have tacked through
and said numerous horror stories of this sort of thing
where people have just not taken due care and attention
or they don't really know what they're doing, and they
go and blast a great big hole through either the
exterior cladding and then cause a leak or blasts through

(01:42:00):
and take out you know, a significant structural element of
the building. So you've really got to there's got to
be some consideration where do I put it, what's safe?
And if you're not sure what you're doing, or you
don't feel your contractor knows what they're doing, get some
professional advice. Righty, oh, it is almost eight thirty. I
think it's time to change gear and jump into the garden.

(01:42:20):
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